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Greatest QB ever. No exceptions. Come at me.
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Greatest QB ever. No exceptions. Come at me.
I refuse, blowsmen.
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Greatest QB ever. No exceptions. Come at me.
Of corse...There is no doubt
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Tearing up the league with the properly inflated footballs, thanks Goodell and the NFL, appreciate it...
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In a couple years you can put Patriots fans in the mix as well.
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I don't care how many rings he has as most were won by defense/running game. Eye test says Rodgers is the best, but also rule changes influence everything quite a bit.
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Brady was lucky to be on a great team with a great coach. The fact they went 11-5 without Brady and Matt Cassel shows you how good the team actually is. Look at Indy without Manning. They were the worst team in the league.
QB wise, pure passer he doesn't touch someone like Marino. Marino sadly was on the downswing of Shula's career.
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Brady was lucky to be on a great team with a great coach. The fact they went 11-5 without Brady and Matt Cassel shows you how good the team actually is. Look at Indy without Manning. They were the worst team in the league.
QB wise, pure passer he doesn't touch someone like Marino. Marino sadly was on the downswing of Shula's career.
That was the same team that went 16-0 the previous year...and they missed the playoffs.
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That was the same team that went 16-0 the previous year...and they missed the playoffs.
11 wins is still 11 wins with Matt Cassel. Plus was Randy Moss still on the team?
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Moss was on the team...the 2007 Patriots was one of the best teams in NfL history. Don't discredit a guy for being on a good team, Jordan had some great teams too. Never heard that as a negative.
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Moss was on the team...the 2007 Patriots was one of the best teams in NfL history. Don't discredit a guy for being on a good team, Jordan had some great teams too. Never heard that as a negative.
In the two years Jordan wasn't on the Bulls how well did they do? It's all speculation but I can be fair to say that if Brady was on the Browns he'd have zero rings, but Jordan on the Bucks and they still would have won at least one championship
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In the two years Jordan wasn't on the Bulls how well did they do? It's all speculation but I can be fair to say that if Brady was on the Browns he'd have zero rings, but Jordan on the Bucks and they still would have won at least one championship
Bulls were 55 -27 and 47 -35 without Jordan, pretty comparable to the 11 -5 Patriots without Brady.
Who knows if Jordan would have won with a team like the Bucks (you seem sure), my point is, Brady is a great quarterback...like him or not.
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Brady was lucky to be on a great team with a great coach. The fact they went 11-5 without Brady and Matt Cassel shows you how good the team actually is. Look at Indy without Manning. They were the worst team in the league.
QB wise, pure passer he doesn't touch someone like Marino. Marino sadly was on the downswing of Shula's career.
Peyton Manning statistically is the 2nd worse QB in the league this year. First being Ryan Mallet. And their team is 6-0. And Denver's head coach blows... lol
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Brady doesn't make mistakes, but Montana is the best QB of all time.
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Brady doesn't make mistakes, but Montana is the best QB of all time.
This^^^
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Brady doesn't make mistakes, but Montana is the best QB of all time.
Good coaching in keeping the O-line up to protect Brady and when they're hurting like they are this season they change the game plan up and do lots of short passes with a TE and RB acting as extra blockers.
Manning might pull out a couple good games but his defense is winning it for him this season. I think they've scored 4 or 5 pick sixes this season. Two games Denver didn't score an offensive TD and still won because their defense scored points. Green Bat is 6-0 and haven't played a team with a winning record.
Some games to look forward to this seas will be Den-Cinci, Den-NE and Den-GB. I'm still on the fence with Carolina.
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Good coaching in keeping the O-line up to protect Brady and when they're hurting like they are this season they change the game plan up and do lots of short passes with a TE and RB acting as extra blockers.
Manning might pull out a couple good games but his defense is winning it for him this season. I think they've scored 4 or 5 pick sixes this season. Two games Denver didn't score an offensive TD and still won because their defense scored points. Green Bat is 6-0 and haven't played a team with a winning record.
Some games to look forward to this seas will be Den-Cinci, Den-NE and Den-GB. I'm still on the fence with Carolina.
Ya. Right now Denver is winning in spite of Manning...Should be interesting how it plays out in Denver. I don't think Manning is going to get better. Manning needs to be in the shot gun every play and play his game. There's a battle going on with that OF...
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Ya. Right now Denver is winning in spite of Manning...Should be interesting how it plays out in Denver. I don't think Manning is going to get better. Manning needs to be in the shot gun every play and play his game. There's a battle going on with that OF...
Without a running game Denver can't win in the post season in shitty weather. ESPN was trying to parallel Denver with Seattle but Seattle had an amazing running game and a QB that can also run and not make dumb mistakes.
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Ya. Right now Denver is winning in spite of Manning...Should be interesting how it plays out in Denver. I don't think Manning is going to get better. Manning needs to be in the shot gun every play and play his game. There's a battle going on with that OF...
What I find interesting is how NE has adapted to Brady getting older, but Denver has not adapted to Manning doing the same.
Stick to the 7 yard passes that are based on timing and obviously you move the chains.
Manning still thinks he has the arm from 10 years ago and that's causing him a problem, but I don't want to change the focus of the thread... That's an entirely different topic.
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What I find interesting is how NE has adapted to Brady getting older, but Denver has not adapted to Manning doing the same.
I feel like that is generally how New England has played for ages now (pick plays and short passes). It's how they run their system. Not really doing a whole lot different.
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I feel like that is generally how New England has played for ages now (pick plays and short passes). It's how they run their system. Not really doing a whole lot different.
With Moss and Branch they did air the ball out a lot more but as Brady got older the game changed a lot for him in more shorter passes. Luckily for him now he can throw a 5 yard slant to Gronk and Gronk will mow his way another 20 yards for a TD.
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With Moss and Branch they did air the ball out a lot more but as Brady got older the game changed a lot for him in more shorter passes. Luckily for him now he can throw a 5 yard slant to Gronk and Gronk will mow his way another 20 yards for a TD.
That's the damn truth right there.
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With Moss and Branch they did air the ball out a lot more but as Brady got older the game changed a lot for him in more shorter passes. Luckily for him now he can throw a 5 yard slant to Gronk and Gronk will mow his way another 20 yards for a TD.
That's true but only with a receiver like Moss. Otherwise they've always done dink and dunk to their other receivers the majority of the time (branch, welker, etc.) it seems like. A byproduct of mainly just not having randy moss, not necessarily them changing anything. Brady probably can't do that anymore and even back then it was more Moss being Moss/playcalling but IMO the system has generally been the same overall for awhile now.
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Dink/dunk/dink/dunk Brady is basically Alex Smith with a clever coach and the benefit of chronic cheating in every phase of the game.
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Greatest QB ever. No exceptions. Come at me.
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Hottest QB ever. No exceptions. blow in me.
Fixed.
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Him and Montana are 1 and 2 greatest of all time
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Stauhbach, Bradshaw, Marino, Stabler, Theisman ALL would have won as many rings as Brady with his teams- Bradshaw did, I forgot for a second
Loved Stabler ..... RIP
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I hate the patrioits but brady is the best or at least has been the best for a long ass time now
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Stauhbach, Bradshaw, Marino, Stabler, Theisman ALL would have won as many rings as Brady with his teams- Bradshaw did, I forgot for a second
Loved Stabler ..... RIP
Aside from Marino, they all played for great teams. It was also in the pre- salary cap era when teams could stay together year after year.
I'm not saying Brady is the best ever (impossible to compare eras) but he's certainly in the conversation.
IMO Brady has been the best with limited WR talent.
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For all the hate Brady gets, it really is amazing how far he has progressed since being drafted.
You don't see quarterbacks progress/bloom into better players anymore; if a quarterback struggles after being drafted, he is only in the league for 1-3 years. Look at Christian Ponder, soon to be EJ Manuel, Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, etc. etc.
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For all the hate Brady gets, it really is amazing how far he has progressed since being drafted.
You don't see quarterbacks progress/bloom into better players anymore; if a quarterback struggles after being drafted, he is only in the league for 1-3 years. Look at Christian Ponder, soon to be EJ Manuel, Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, etc. etc.
True but Brady never really struggled in the NFL...Patriots won the Super Bowl in his first full year.
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I don't know much about sports as some of you scholarly sport people, but the whole point is to have a good team. So, to say that he only wins super bowls because he has a good time behind him, well, duh, that is the main goal of any sport organization--to have a good team, not just ONE good player, and have everyone else suck. There is probably not one superbowl team who didn't have a pretty damn good team overall. The greatest quarterback is not going to win with a bunch of 3rd stringers. Get real. ::) ::)
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Brady has the best arm mechanics of any QB. He throws the ball straight over the top. He once said when he throws, he tries to graze his arm with the right side of his helmet. Said it takes almost no effort to throw like that. And puts the least amount of stress on the shoulder/arm. Even when he throws the occasional deep ball, he doesn't throw the ball as hard as he can. Said he wants to play to 45 years old minimum...
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There's a theory that Manning is having a awful year because he can't grip the ball. Some say that Manning liked his balls around the 10psi range. Now that the NFL is watching ball pressure like a hawk, Manning can't do what Brady was accused of doing and has to play with legal inflated balls. Yet Brady is having one of his best years with balls are within NFL's range. You'll never hear about ESPN investigating that story because of their love for everything Manning...
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In a couple years you can put Patriots fans in the mix as well.
So?
A couple years is a long reign.
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Him and Montana are 1 and 2 greatest of all time
Tom Brady is going to be President though.
Joe Montana is a shut in homo, Tom Brady is a multimillionaire who married a super model that makes more money than him. :D
There's all kinds of ways to be a winner and Tom Brady looks them all covered.
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Tom Brady is going to be President though.
Joe Montana is a shut in homo, Tom Brady is a multimillionaire who married a super model that makes more money than him. :D
There's all kinds of ways to be a winner and Tom Brady looks them all covered.
Brady also didn't take any money from Under Armor in his endorsement deal. Took it all in stock. Some are saying he now owns 8% of Under Armor...Which means his endrosement deal could be worth upwards of half a billion dollars in 10 to 20 years...
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For all the hate Brady gets, it really is amazing how far he has progressed since being drafted.
You don't see quarterbacks progress/bloom into better players anymore; if a quarterback struggles after being drafted, he is only in the league for 1-3 years. Look at Christian Ponder, soon to be EJ Manuel, Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, etc. etc.
Aaron Rodgers sat, I think it's an advantage. But Brady and Rodgers were behind good guys, they both went late in the draft.
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in the modern era brady for sure, cant argue with that, with how free agency works etc
its amazing how new england has been able to win for so many years .
i always liked elway myself, and kurt warner was very underated.
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Tom Brady is going to be President though.
Joe Montana is a shut in homo, Tom Brady is a multimillionaire who married a super model that makes more money than him. :D
There's all kinds of ways to be a winner and Tom Brady looks them all covered.
We are talking qbs here, everything u are saying is irrelevant
Brady's fav team is the 49ers and he grew up idolizing Montana
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Peyton is the most prolific passer in the regular season and Montana was the closest to flawless in the postseason. Whoever the greatest ever is depends on how you weight the post season. Montana and Bradshaw both had perfect Super Bowl records. That's quite a bit different from Brady's and Manning's result in the biggest games of their lives. Aaron Rodgers is playing the position right now better than anyone has ever. He pushes the ball downfield with fewer mistakes than anyone has ever made. His TD to Int Ratio is 4-1. He throws for a greater % of TDs/pass and fewer Int's/pass than both manning and Brady. His passer rating for his career is 10 points higher than theirs as well.
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Aaron Rodgers sat, I think it's an advantage. But Brady and Rodgers were behind good guys, they both went late in the draft.
Rodgers didn't go late. He was drafted in the 1st round and was the number 2 QB overall chosen that year.
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Aside from Marino, they all played for great teams. It was also in the pre- salary cap era when teams could stay together year after year.
I'm not saying Brady is the best ever (impossible to compare eras) but he's certainly in the conversation.
IMO Brady has been the best with limited WR talent.
And they never draft top WR's for him either. One big criticism of the Pats in the New England media is this.
Julian Edelman was a college quarterback and now is an elite NFL WR.
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Peyton is the most prolific passer in the regular season and Montana was the closest to flawless in the postseason. Whoever the greatest ever is depends on how you weight the post season. Montana and Bradshaw both had perfect Super Bowl records. That's quite a bit different from Brady's and Manning's result in the biggest games of their lives. Aaron Rodgers is playing the position right now better than anyone has ever. He pushes the ball downfield with fewer mistakes than anyone has ever made. His TD to Int Ratio is 4-1. He throws for a greater % of TDs/pass and fewer Int's/pass than both manning and Brady. His passer rating for his career is 10 points higher than theirs as well.
Montana only went to 4 Super Bowls so his playoff record was far from flawless. I believe Brady has the most post season wins in NFL history.
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Montana only went to 4 Super Bowls so his playoff record was far from flawless. I believe Brady has the most post season wins in NFL history.
CBS Sports
If you ever need a reminder of how good Tom Brady is, all you need to do is look at the Super Bowl record book, which has basically turned into Brady's autobiography.
The Patriots quarterback practically rewrote the record book during New England's 28-24 win over Seattle in Super Bowl XLIX. Brady broke, tied or extended eight Super Bowl records in the Patriots win.
Among the records that Brady broke were: Most completions in a game (37), most completions in a half (20), most Super Bowl starts (6) and most career touchdown passes in the Super Bowl (13).
Brady's 37 completions broke Peyton Manning's old record of 34, which was set last season in Denver's 43-8 loss to Seattle.
Tom Brady rewrote the record book against the Seahawks. (USATSI)
Tom Brady rewrote the record book against the Seahawks. (USATSI)
The most impressive record is probably the touchdown pass record. Brady's four touchdown passes against the Seahawks gave him 13 for his career in the Super Bowl, moving him past Joe Montana, who threw 11 touchdown passes in four Super Bowls. Brady went into Super Bowl XLIX with only nine career touchdown passes in the Big Game.
Besides breaking four records, Brady also tied two records. Two big records.
Thanks to the win, Brady now joins Montana and Terry Bradshaw as the only quarterbacks in NFL history who have won four Super Bowls as a starter.
Brady's 328-yard, four touchdown performance against Seattle earned him his third Super Bowl MVP award, which tied Joe Montana for the most ever.
Of course, there were also some records that Brady couldn't break because he already had them. Going into Super Bowl XLIX, Brady held the record for most career passes, most career completions and most career passing yards.
By tacking on 37 completions, 50 pass attempts and 328 passing yards to those records, Brady probably put those records far out of reach.
The Super Bowl record book next year should probably just have a picture of Brady on it.
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Montana was near flawless in Super Bowls is what I meant. Its taken Brady 6 times to equal the amount of wins Montana did. Montana had a passer rating over 127 in the Super Bowls. To put that in perspective, Brady is off to one of the most efficient seasons he's ever had and he's sitting at 118 so far this year. There is no doubt he played better in Super Bowls than Brady. Brady has thrown for fewer TDs and more Int obviously per Super Bowl than Montana.
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Montana was near flawless in Super Bowls is what I meant. Its taken Brady 6 times to equal the amount of wins Montana did. Montana had a passer rating over 127 in the Super Bowls. To put that in perspective, Brady is off to one of the most efficient seasons he's ever had and he's sitting at 118 so far this year. There is no doubt he played better in Super Bowls than Brady. Brady has thrown for fewer TDs and more Int obviously per Super Bowl than Montana.
Sure but Joe only took his stacked teams to 4, Brady took his to 6.
Going 4 - 2 in Super Bowls is superior than going 4 - 0.
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Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time and it's really not even close. Montana played in an era where defenses were allowed to actually play defense. Pass interference was hardly ever called. DBs would practically tackle wide receivers before they even got off the line of scrimmage . And Montana took more significant hits from defensive lineman in a month than Brady has taken in his career.
If Montana played today in this offensive era he would routinely throw for over 5,000 yard and complete 70% of his passes. He would own every single QB record there is. And I say that as someone who hated the 49ers.
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Sure but Joe only took his stacked teams to 4, Brady took his to 6.
Going 4 - 2 in Super Bowls is superior than going 4 - 0.
Those two loses were glorious.
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Going 4 - 2 in Super Bowls is superior than going 4 - 0.
Not according to win percentage.
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Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time and it's really not even close. Montana played in an era where defenses were allowed to actually play defense. Pass interference was hardly ever called. DBs would practically tackle wide receivers before they even got off the line of scrimmage . And Montana took more significant hits from defensive lineman in a month than Brady has taken in his career.
If Montana played today in this offensive era he would routinely throw for over 5,000 yard and complete 70% of his passes. He would own every single QB record there is. And I say that as someone who hated the 49ers.
He may well be and I'm not arguing one way or another.
The 49ers of that era had no weaknesses because there was no salary cap...in today's NFL there's no way a team could keep all of those star players.
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He may well be and I'm not arguing one way or another.
The 49ers of that era had no weaknesses because there was no salary cap...in today's NFL there's no way a team could keep all of those star players.
Salary cap and free agency along with a revolving door at skilled positions. Moss is the only notable wide out he had for two seasons. Most people have no idea who Troy Brown is and he had the longest tenure at WR. Compare this with Montana, who spent his Super Bowl years in San Francisco with a consistent and dominant cast around him, which included Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark and Roger Craig, as they were kept under contract with the club unless they were traded away or not kept on the “Plan B” free agency that was around, and rarely used, at the time.
It's been rags to riches with this guy as the 199th draft pick who got a lucky break when Bledsoe went down.
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"Fuck you, I'm Tom Brady. I didn't break the rules, you broke the rules. I''m gonna go fuck my hot wife, except she's not that hot and kinda looks like a man".
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Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time and it's really not even close. Montana played in an era where defenses were allowed to actually play defense. Pass interference was hardly ever called. DBs would practically tackle wide receivers before they even got off the line of scrimmage . And Montana took more significant hits from defensive lineman in a month than Brady has taken in his career.
If Montana played today in this offensive era he would routinely throw for over 5,000 yard and complete 70% of his passes. He would own every single QB record there is. And I say that as someone who hated the 49ers.
A bunch of would haves and ifs ::)
Blah blah blah
Sports is hysterical to argue about, a bunch of guys arguing about millionaires who could give a shit about them
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"Fuck you, I'm Tom Brady. I didn't break the rules, you broke the rules. I''m gonna go fuck my hot wife, except she's not that hot and kinda looks like a man".
That was seriously an awesome episode.
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He may well be and I'm not arguing one way or another.
The 49ers of that era had no weaknesses because there was no salary cap...in today's NFL there's no way a team could keep all of those star players.
There was no Craig or Rice when Montana won his first Superbowl.
Everyone talks about the players he had... They talk up Rice and Craig. I get it, I do, but Montana won his first Superbowl basically by himself.
Then broke records before either one of those guys showed up.
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Maybe you don't remember it well.
Both Montana's and Brady's first Super Bowls were defensively dominated.
Montana threw for 157 yards and Brady 146. Even though it was 20 years earlier, the 49ers offense has more known names than the Patriots offense.
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Maybe you don't remember it well.
Both Montana's and Brady's first Super Bowls were defensively dominated.
Montana threw for 157 yards and Brady 146. Even though it was 20 years earlier, the 49ers offense has more known names than the Patriots offense.
I do remember it well. Montana was still the MVP of that superbowl.
My point is simply that the argument that Montana had Rice or Craig or any of that is as nonsensical as saying that Brady had no one.
Both were on very good teams.
Montana has also never lost a Superbowl... That's something that Brady will never be able to claim.
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Fuck roger Craig fumbling the football in the championship costing the niners going to the SB
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...but he only got to 4. Is it better to lose in the first round of the playoffs than in the Super Bowl?
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I'm sure it's been highlighted already but those two loses Brady has are against the same guy. ELI FUCKING MANNING!!!!'
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...but he only got to 4. Is it better to lose in the first round of the playoffs than in the Super Bowl?
Yes and it was the championship game, niners would have gone to the SB and win and the first team to win 3 in the row haha 8)
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Yes and it was the championship game, niners would have gone to the SB and win and the first team to win 3 in the row haha 8)
I wasn't responding to your post. Their 13 points just wasn't good enough.
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...but he only got to 4. Is it better to lose in the first round of the playoffs than in the Super Bowl?
I think anyone most will say that getting to the big game and losing that game is worse than not getting there at all. (Maybe just me?)
John Elway will always have the specter of 4 Super Bowl losses to contend with, as will Jim Kelly.
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"Fuck you, I'm Tom Brady. I didn't break the rules, you broke the rules. I''m gonna go fuck my hot wife, except she's not that hot and kinda looks like a man".
She's worth more then him so if they divorce he wins again and can bang more models. :D
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Im on board, and hes good lookin cool guy, he shoulda stayed single.
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I think anyone most will say that getting to the big game and losing that game is worse than not getting there at all. (Maybe just me?)
John Elway will always have the specter of 4 Super Bowl losses to contend with, as will Jim Kelly.
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Elway only lost 3.
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Elway only lost 3.
You're right.
He's 2-3... Those 3 still haunt him.