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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Thong Maniac on November 12, 2015, 01:25:42 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KO23tDSFNSs
This dude explains that its bullshit. I kinda like his story telling style too, kept me interested
Either way, cyclists got huge quads, construction workers got huge forearms, gymnasts huge triceps...all from daily work. I think the oonce a week method for a natty or semi enhanced lifter is absolute bull and just a way to sell more fat burner supps and protein fart powder to kids
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When I'm on my 18th set of my 9th exercise I LOL real loud and carry on.
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Well, that settles that then!
Over training does not exist.
/thread.
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In reality overtraining comes from people that also work full time and do other things in their lives. if you can train most of the day, eat well, take the right drugs and get enough sleep then your set. Now for the construction worker big forearm thing, I'm not sure where this comes from. Most I see don't have big forearms at all. Sounds like some stereotype myth. I know a few mechanics with big forearms but they are also gym rats.
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Well, that settles that then!
Over training does not exist.
/thread.
Hey ritch, we missed u bro. I started a thread asking where u had gone a month ago. Glad your back.
So whats your take on daily chest or bicep training?
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In this economy who has time to "over train"???
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You can't really overtrain the first 6 months much unless you go nuts.
After a year of training you are stronger and have to judge what you need. I noticed my bodyweight stalled and strength stalled just after training 15 months until I pretty much cut what I was doing in half and then I started blowing up again.
Yes some sprint cyclists have big legs. If you only trained a few bodyparts clearly they would get all the recovery even if you trained them all the time. Bodybuilders train all bodyparts and the body needs time to recover.
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Hey ritch, we missed u bro. I started a thread asking where u had gone a month ago. Glad your back.
So whats your take on daily chest or bicep training?
just daily?
Gotta get serious man and do lower chest am, mid chest after noon then upper chest pm.
Same for principle for biceps.
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It depends, if you're training with near maximal weights, and have a normal life, there is something to it. I do think most of it is mental, and the physical part isn't that big a deal, certainly not the "omg, I have the adrenal fatigue, and I'm hardgainer" type thing that some push. It's more of a mellow out and have an extra sandwich for a couple of days type problem.
As with most things, there's a time to grind it out, and a time to hang back.
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I trained 6 months straight without a day off. ..i just go with how i feel..if i have energy i train..even on off days I'll stiil do cardio, abs, push ups, pull ups.
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It varies person to person. Some people produce/filter waste chemicals/enzymes faster.
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Leave it to lazy meathead to convince themselves that they'll have worse progress if they work too hard
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Now for the construction worker big forearm thing, I'm not sure where this comes from. Most I see don't have big forearms at all. Sounds like some stereotype myth. I know a few mechanics with big forearms but they are also gym rats.
It's more of an old time manual labor thing, back when those stereotypes took hold, there was more hand tool usage, etc...., so they sort of got a training effect through work. I doubt there's nearly as much axe, sledge, shovel, wrench, etc.... work in the trades as back then. Also the standards of what was big back where much lower. 5'10 - 6', and 180 - 200lbs was huge once upon a time.
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I believe in overtraining precisely because I only have a certain amount of time to train and it helps me mentally to think that I am as big as I possibly could be.
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I've said this many times... Train everything twice or three times per week and you will look no different than what you would training everything once
Training twice a day, or whatever such nonsense is mental illness
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I LOL at people who spend the whole day in gyms or on running trails and fancy themselves as elite athletes when they're really bums.
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You can't really overtrain the first 6 months much unless you go nuts.
After a year of training you are stronger and have to judge what you need. I noticed my bodyweight stalled and strength stalled just after training 15 months until I pretty much cut what I was doing in half and then I started blowing up again.
Yes some sprint cyclists have big legs. If you only trained a few bodyparts clearly they would get all the recovery even if you trained them all the time. Bodybuilders train all bodyparts and the body needs time to recover.
like jason genova said "I'm a bodybuilder, he's just a fitness competetor"
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Then again....
It's easy to train hard but hard to train smart.
A concept too complicated for most meat heads to understand...
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Overtraining obviously exists. Try doing your 1rm squat every minute for 48 hours straight.
Beyond the obvious, though, the term is applied to such wildly different things. I think the main problem is that 99% of bodybuilding enthusiasts are too fucking stupid to pause and think, 'wait, maybe this guy I'm arguing with means something other than what I'm assuming.'
I think doing a real sport in conjunction with weight lifting would be illuminating, though, for many.
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Leave it to lazy meathead to convince themselves that they'll have worse progress if they work too hard
This
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Sounds like you think the OLA story was bullshit. I will still try it though, along with more food. I will seriously take before and afters after 3 months to guage
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If by training, we're talking about the workouts most guys do in gyms today, then yes, overtraining does not exist. They spend about 15 minutes training and the rest talking, staring at women, on their phone, looking at themselves in the mirror, etc. worthless
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Thats why i think 20 minutes of some weighted chest moves 5 times a week IS not over training. Not sure where and hpw that bro science started but im gonna try to disprove it cuz my chest sucks, so im a good test subject
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If by training, we're talking about the workouts most guys do in gyms today, then yes, overtraining does not exist. They spend about 15 minutes training and the rest talking, staring at women, on their phone, looking at themselves in the mirror, etc. worthless
Ya make a solid point there... These fuckers are starting to drag me down. The gym environment sucks ass big time. Everyone on their fuckin' phones, nobody training hard, meh...
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I've said this many times... Train everything twice or three times per week and you will look no different than what you would training everything once
Training twice a day, or whatever such nonsense is mental illness
I dont get your point here. For me i can hit legs once every 5-7 days balls to the wall and thats plenty... except for my shitty calves which need to be reminded with workouts often that they need to grow. Added 2 inches in a year or so by upping volume on calves and making them a part of every workout. Similarly triceps lagging... so hit them twice as often... they grew.
So no, training once per week did not yield the same result. It yielded worse.
As for overtraining, go with how you feel. I train tired often, or if i might not feel like it, but if i feel next to dead i will organise something so i cannot possibly make gym that day. I have a hard time relaxing and doing fuck all so need to focus on something.
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I have a hard time relaxing and doing fuck all so need to focus on something.
x2, that's why I went crazy back when I thought i couldn't 'make gains' unless I trained 4 times week and avoided any excess activity like the plague... Gotta 'recover' ::)
'Dieting' was even worse. Sit on your ass starving all day, eat less to do less. Never again.
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x2, that's why I went crazy back when I thought i couldn't 'make gains' unless I trained 4 times week and avoided any excess activity like the plague... Gotta 'recover' ::)
'Dieting' was even worse. Sit on your ass starving all day, eat less to do less. Never again.
Im with ya on this man. Im gonna eat more to do more. Gonna lift all the bodyparts i want, eat alot, enjoy life and stop doing dumb crdio other than walks
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x2, that's why I went crazy back when I thought i couldn't 'make gains' unless I trained 4 times week and avoided any excess activity like the plague... Gotta 'recover' ::)
'Dieting' was even worse. Sit on your ass starving all day, eat less to do less. Never again.
The most insidious part of that creed was "do nothing else". I stopped playing tennis and doing other sports like a dolt. Sure my legs were dying for 2 days but i could surely manage another sport 2/3 days a week. Really i have myself to blame for being so stupid when i have a brain, but there you have the power of marketing. Takes experience to figure out the bollox in life.
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Yes some sprint cyclists have big legs. If you only trained a few bodyparts clearly they would get all the recovery even if you trained them all the time. Bodybuilders train all bodyparts and the body needs time to recover.
Can we pin this to the top of EVERY SINGLE THREAD!!?????!
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SO doesn't matter. Made sense to me, because who the fuck wants to be in the gym longer than needed?
Got it down to 30 minutes/three-per-week, and it worked every bit as good as any volume bullshit I did years before. Thanks, Dorian.
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So doesn't matter. Made sense to me, because who the fuck wants to be in the gym longer than needed?
Got it down to 30 minutes/three-per-week, and it worked every bit as good as any volume bullshit I did years before. Thanks, Dorian.
Exactly... And to the other gent on about lagging triceps and calves, if you went back to once a week would they now shrink ?
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Exactly... And to the other gent on about lagging triceps and calves, if you went back to once a week would they now shrink ?
That was my whole take. Already had decent gains; long as I maintain, still get good pumps and such, why the fuck not?
Never shrunk, got good pumps, so still whythefucknotting to this day.
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Well tho whole concept of 'gaining' is void,,, unless your just starting out,, , you weren't training properly while eating like a bird and you suddenly train hard and eat some cals.. or unless you up your dose your not gaining anything, your treading water the rest if your life just trying to maintain what you've built
To deny this is delusional and shows you have severe bodybuild illness
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Well tho whole concept of 'gaining' is void,,, unless your just starting out,, , you weren't training properly while eating like a bird and you suddenly train hard and eat some cals.. or unless you up your dose your not gaining anything, your treading water the rest if your life just trying to maintain what you've built
To deny this is delusional and shows you have severe bodybuild illness
Exactly, said the same many times. Most of the time we aren't gaining shit, no matter what. :D
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If you train hard and take each set to failure it is possible to over-train very easily, I tried training arms and back twice a week and after a while I would feel sharp pain in the bones and tendons of my arms when doing weighted chin ups.. I was over trained.
It's better to train with less intensity but more frequency since training only stimulates muscle growth for 48 hours. So it's best to train in a way which allows you to stimulate the muscle again in 3 days time without reaching the point of overtraining.
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If you train hard and take each set to failure it is possible to over-train very easily, I tried training arms and back twice a week and after a while I would feel sharp pain in the bones and tendons of my arms when doing weighted chin ups.. I was over trained.
It's better to train with less intensity but more frequency since training only stimulates muscle growth for 48 hours. So it's best to train in a way which allows you to stimulate the muscle again in 3 days time without reaching the point of overtraining.
The key part of making this work I'd say is the "train with less intensity" what does that mean as I'm not totally closed to trying this. Say your best would be 100lbs for a set of 6-8 reps and only two sets of that movement for 3 movements total done once a week for all body parts.
How would I take this method of training to the kind you mention here? My CNS is no longer following despite rest periods and all. Left forearm, pec, lat not firing properly and feel some lighter training would benefit them.
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Well tho whole concept of 'gaining' is void,,, unless your just starting out,, , you weren't training properly while eating like a bird and you suddenly train hard and eat some cals.. or unless you up your dose your not gaining anything, your treading water the rest if your life just trying to maintain what you've built
To deny this is delusional and shows you have severe bodybuild illness
People want to believe they can get bigger forever, but, the reality is that when you reach your adult body, you are what you are.
That said, the area where you can make gains, is not in size, but in the mind muscle link, having a greater understanding of how each muscle works.
How many of the people you see on the street who obviously work out truly understand how all their back muscles work, and could command them to this extent?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/1845f992a1693d6758c9307dc4f70ec6_zpsxmaxs3o0.jpg)
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Yes, I do. You're built to tolerate punishing circumstances and adapt. Sitting on your ass is fine. Just don't tell me you're 'recuperating.'
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People want to believe they can get bigger forever, but, the reality is that when you reach your adult body, you are what you are.
That said, the area where you can make gains, is not in size, but in the mind muscle link, having a greater understanding of how each muscle works.
How many of the people you see on the street who obviously work out truly understand how all their back muscles work, and could command them to this extent?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/1845f992a1693d6758c9307dc4f70ec6_zpsxmaxs3o0.jpg)
"commanding" the muscle :D
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At my age, i cant do 5 days in a row anymore! Physically just cant do it!
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Just wanted to add, for just over the first 2 years I trained, I trained heavy every single week. Aiming to get stronger every single week, this was when i was 16-18. After close to 2.5 years I started needing rest periods every 6 weeks or so. Why? I was strong enough and training hard enough to put too much stress on the CNS. Nothing to do with age I was still 18-19.
The first year you train you really aren't putting that much stress on the CNS because the level you are lifting at. The weights aren't that heavy and you can't put the same level of stress on the muscle because you don't have the experience to do so.
I've been training 20 years now, I can stress the muscle with average weights, I always go to failure. I don't need to go heavy, to be fair with average weights I do the movements slower to feel it more. I can feel everything. I recently tried doing one set heavy and the next light through all bodyparts and it worked great, but i'm not going to exactly grow anymore unless I start on the gear again, it's just to do something different.
As Ben Johnson's coach Charlie Francis said and did, if his athletes broke a new PB in say the 100m sprint, he had them take 10 days off (since that's how long the CNS needs to recover) because they had stressed their body to the point with that one effort that it needed that recovery. But if they were just a kid or just up and coming then there was no need for it, the effort wasn't going to be big enough to cause enough stress on the body. With bodybuilding you can do about 6 good weeks then you need 10 days off to recover the CNS.
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If by training, we're talking about the workouts most guys do in gyms today, then yes, overtraining does not exist. They spend about 15 minutes training and the rest talking, staring at women, on their phone, looking at themselves in the mirror, etc. worthless
This ^^^
To get away from my own gym once in a while I joined a commercial gym. My conclusion was exactly this. Most don't know what training really is. 90% come in with no plan and just do random BS based on "feel". Thats not training, it a workout. Sorry people, over training exists.
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This ^^^
To get away from my own gym once in a while I joined a commercial gym. My conclusion was exactly this. Most don't know what training really is. 90% come in with no plan and just do random BS based on "feel". Thats not training, it a workout. Sorry people, over training exists.
I`ve been saying it for years Joe............."some people train....others merely workout" !
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KO23tDSFNSs
This dude explains that its bullshit. I kinda like his story telling style too, kept me interested
Either way, cyclists got huge quads, construction workers got huge forearms, gymnasts huge triceps...all from daily work. I think the oonce a week method for a natty or semi enhanced lifter is absolute bull and just a way to sell more fat burner supps and protein fart powder to kids
Cyclists with huge quads do not go anaerobic more than twice a week or they become cyclists with little quads. That is the inevitable effect of overtraining.
I used to train with one of those big quad riders in the professional ranks and he (and I) never went "hard" more than 2x a week year round. In races you go out of your way to avoid going redline as much as possible.
Overtraining or overstimulation of your muscles is very real.
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There are days when I can train harder and on those days, I do. Other days, I train as hard as I can given how I feel but when it comes down to it, each session is its own. I train as hard as I can given how I am feeling.
In the past have trained so hard using H.I.T. that I am sore for well over a week and thereby unwilling to go back into the garage/gym to train again until I feel up to it.
I can no longer do that. I am nearing 60 and need to take more recovery time and while that bothers my ego, I think it is what is needed for me to continue to work on my goal of being as well built and fit as I can be. I warm up more than ever and I need to. For example for shoulders I do several warm up sets of DB side laterals prior to shoulder presses on a (dammit! ;D) machine. Machines are not my favorite but they allow me to train with less pain on such movements as shoulder presses, bent over rows and incline and flat bench presses.
Currently I train between 2 and 4 times a week for between 30 minutes to an hour. I don't want to spend my life in a gym but I still put in the time so that I won't waste my life in a hospital.
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Do you guys ever get apathetic?
I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.
I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol
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Do you guys ever get apathetic?
I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.
I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol
Yes. My younger brother has decided to stop lifting. He is in his early 50s and just sees no need for it. When that changes (and it will) he will start again.
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Young people talk about "overtraining". Older people bring up words like "Tendonitis" and joint pain...
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Young people talk about "overtraining". Older people bring up words like "Tendonitis" and joint pain...
You bring up the central point which is whether adding more workouts is a net positive.
Maybe when you're 25 and still believe that an extra .5" on your arms and 20lbs on your bench is gonna make men more afraid of you and make women wanna have sex with you, an additional workout might be worthwhile, but, as you get older, have a better grip on reality, and don't feel the need to post pictures of yourself and brag about your lifting exploits to people who don't care if you live or die, you realize you need more time to recover and therefore workouts need to be spaced out more and performed more intelligently.
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Do you guys ever get apathetic?
I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.
I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol
I wish I could train more... I miss the days when I got pumps, didn't have joint pain, and could actually feel my muscles. Lifting weights feels like utter shit now, most if the time, but, like you, I can't just quit. I feel like I would rather die than quit exercising.
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I only train 3 days a week now. I feel much better but I still notice myself getting burned out. My neck gets sore, my lower back, I start breaking down. It's good to take some time off when this happens.
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not watching video. But, over training is real.
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There are days when I can train harder and on those days, I do. Other days, I train as hard as I can given how I feel but when it comes down to it, each session is its own. I train as hard as I can given how I am feeling.
In the past have trained so hard using H.I.T. that I am sore for well over a week and thereby unwilling to go back into the garage/gym to train again until I feel up to it.
I can no longer do that. I am nearing 60 and need to take more recovery time and while that bothers my ego, I think it is what is needed for me to continue to work on my goal of being as well built and fit as I can be. I warm up more than ever and I need to. For example for shoulders I do several warm up sets of DB side laterals prior to shoulder presses on a (dammit! ;D) machine. Machines are not my favorite but they allow me to train with less pain on such movements as shoulder presses, bent over rows and incline and flat bench presses.
Currently I train between 2 and 4 times a week for between 30 minutes to an hour. I don't want to spend my life in a gym but I still put in the time so that I won't waste my life in a hospital.
^ This.
You are one sharp sumbitch, Scott. I was going to cast a vote for you in the "smartest Getbigger" thread; alas, it's seemingly disappeared and/or is so many pages back, I'm too lazy to find it again. (FWIW, I was, a'la Starscream, also going to nominate myself. And Pellius, among a few others I can't recall at the moment. Ah, well. Allahu Snackbar!)
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At my age, i cant do 5 days in a row anymore! Physically just cant do it!
Same here, especially as a natty. 3-4x/wk is perfect.
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Serious girls on here. Train 6 days a week pm, cardio am. Deep tissue massages every 3-4 weeks on day off.
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Serious girls on here. Train 6 days a week pm, cardio am. Deep tissue massages every 3-4 weeks on day off.
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caffeine, ephedrine, steroids, and a monstrous 6 mph treadmill sessions with some shakeweight afterwards
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Yeahhh...of course overtraining is all a con....I mean you can end up with a 21 inch arm doing 5 years worth of training entirely squeezed into 3 months of all-day long training , right? ::) ...there are some fucking morons on here
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caffeine, ephedrine, steroids, and a monstrous 6 mph treadmill sessions with some shakeweight afterwards
You're the girl whining about training. Stick to eating pop tarts princess
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I only train 3 days a week now. I feel much better but I still notice myself getting burned out. My neck gets sore, my lower back, I start breaking down. It's good to take some time off when this happens.
I jacked something up in my neck a few months ago. It took a while, but it finally manifest in some shoulder misuse and right biceps weakness. I have really dialed it back and am doing a lot more stretching, rolling and other mobility stuff, especially for my neck and traps. The strength is coming back (thank god) and as a side benefit, I have so much more range of motion in my shoulder than I have in years (decades?). It will probably be another month before I try to get back to my heavier weights. I really have trouble checking my ego at the door, even at my supposedly mature age :-\
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I jacked something up in my neck a few months ago. It took a while, but it finally manifest in some shoulder misuse and right biceps weakness. I have really dialed it back and am doing a lot more stretching, rolling and other mobility stuff, especially for my neck and traps. The strength is coming back (thank god) and as a side benefit, I have so much more range of motion in my shoulder than I have in years (decades?). It will probably be another month before I try to get back to my heavier weights. I really have trouble checking my ego at the door, even at my supposedly mature age :-\
Pinched Nerve Of Peace
Had the same thing with my constant neck problems.............pai n on left side,and can`t even grip a 45 pound dumbell tightly.
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Pinched Nerve Of Peace
Had the same thing with my constant neck problems.............pai n on left side,and can`t even grip a 45 pound dumbell tightly.
Ulnar Nerve Stretch of Peace.
It can also be done with the fingers facing upward.
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Ulnar Nerve Stretch of Peace.
It can also be done with the fingers facing upward.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/9B3DF89F-2AC5-48C8-918C-FBDC876CF1D7_zps0s6pnyty.png) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/9B3DF89F-2AC5-48C8-918C-FBDC876CF1D7_zps0s6pnyty.png.html)
Is it a static stretch, or is there a movement? I've become really into this mobility shit. I may even try yoga (yes homo)
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Is it a static stretch, or is there a movement? I've become really into this mobility shit. I may even try yoga (yes homo)
Static. I find it helps if you turn your head away from the arm being stretched. You want concentrate on the ring finger and pinkie. That's where the nerve runs through.
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Static. I find it helps if you turn your head away from the arm being stretched. You want concentrate on the ring finger and pinkie. That's where the nerve runs through.
Thanks for your info here, gonna try this as well. My left ulnar nerve is weak and all left side muscles are affected by this. Also very neck injury proned as well, one false movement, I can be moving with restriction for days.
I doubt I will be able to put my arm up very high at first. Can you tell me the ideal time for static hold? I'll try 10 seconds and see if it does not destroy my shoulder.
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All the people I know who called themselves hardcore and didn't take breaks can barely move these days. Overtraining is real. I think people should take breaks for 1-2 weeks every 12-16 weeks except if they are post contest and then I think 6 week post contest you should take an active rest. No weights. No real diet. Just let your entire Cns and digestive system recover
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Thanks for your info here, gonna try this as well. My left ulnar nerve is weak and all left side muscles are affected by this. Also very neck injury proned as well, one false movement, I can be moving with restriction for days.
I doubt I will be able to put my arm up very high at first. Can you tell me the ideal time for static hold? I'll try 10 seconds and see if it does not destroy my shoulder.
Just ease into it. Start with 5 seconds, and work from there. It's more of a "feel" thing.
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All the people I know who called themselves hardcore and didn't take breaks can barely move these days. Overtraining is real. I think people should take breaks for 1-2 weeks every 12-16 weeks except if they are post contest and then I think 6 week post contest you should take an active rest. No weights. No real diet. Just let your entire Cns and digestive system recover
I had worked in a 2 week rest deload every 12 weeks into my program and a routinely blew past it, not wanting risk my "gainz" ::)
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Ulnar Nerve Stretch of Peace.
It can also be done with the fingers facing upward.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/9B3DF89F-2AC5-48C8-918C-FBDC876CF1D7_zps0s6pnyty.png) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/9B3DF89F-2AC5-48C8-918C-FBDC876CF1D7_zps0s6pnyty.png.html)
Do these a lot after stumbling on some free physio advice on youtube...simple but effective
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well do an experiment. for say, biceps.
try training the muscle every day for 5 weeks and see how little or zero progress you make
try hitting it hard every 5 Days for 5 weeks and see how much better gains you will make.
besides.. kind of loser wants to spend 4 hours per day in the gym like you would have to with that kind of training....
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Thanks TL.....I`ll give it a shot!! :)
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Just ease into it. Start with 5 seconds, and work from there. It's more of a "feel" thing.
It hurts. Will keep trying.
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It hurts. Will keep trying.
It should be the "good" pain. If it's injury pain, back off.
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It should be the "good" pain. If it's injury pain, back off.
It's the good kind. My nerve impingement is presenting like a C5/C6 neck impingement. Will this help that?
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It's the good kind. My nerve impingement is presenting like a C5/C6 neck impingement. Will this help that?
That one is a bit above my grade. You might want to check a specialist's site. Sometimes they have a q&a section.
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Just ease into it. Start with 5 seconds, and work from there. It's more of a "feel" thing.
I gave it a shot, not so bad. Did 10 seconds no problem.
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You're the girl whining about training. Stick to eating pop tarts princess
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try going hard 2-3 hours a day no stims or hormones and tell me how you feel
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try going hard 2-3 hours a day no stims or hormones and tell me how you feel
I feel like shit just reading that.
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Do you guys ever get apathetic?
I suffer from major apathy at the moment. Last week I maxed out in squat with 60kg, I got 100 reps. This was after I ran 6 miles. This week even warm ups feel boring as ta's one post and run for cover replys. Even push ups feel like meh. Training feels so boring, but if I don't train I feel cranky, depressed, sad, murderous. I can stab a guy 1000 times, but I don't have any motivation to train.
I know what I have to do. I just wanted to cry a river here. I'll go buy some beer to make my self feel better, lol
Some nights I don't feel like training but I just go anyway out of routine/guilt. If I'm really not up to it my body will tell me... and I am speaking as someone who has trained with pneumonia for a week, currently lifting with a torn/strained lat/triceps and have a high pain threshold. I think some of this behaviour is motivated by the guilt that not working unless you're dead is being lazy.
PS. Who did you stab 1000 times? :P
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Some nights I don't feel like training but I just go anyway out of routine/guilt. If I'm really not up to it my body will tell me... and I am speaking as someone who has trained with pneumonia for a week, currently lifting with a torn/strained lat/triceps and have a high pain threshold. I think some of this behaviour is motivated by the guilt that not working unless you're dead is being lazy.
PS. Who did you stab 1000 times? :P
lol, "not feeling like working out some nights".. it's much more deep than that with me but forget it
I didn't say I stabbed, I said I could stab ;D
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lol, "not feeling like working out some nights".. it's much more deep than that with me but forget it
I didn't say I stabbed, I said I could stab ;D
If you are asking the more existential "is this shit really worth it" or "what's the fucking point" question I do know what you mean... Then routine kicks in and I end up at gym door no matter how shitty, unmotivated or sick I feel.
I'm a creature of habit and gym consistency is something I feel keeps me on the straight and narrow - and if I take days off I'm a lazy shit and will revert to going wild. Subconsciously.
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If you are asking the more existential "is this shit really worth it" or "what's the fucking point" question I do know what you mean... Then routine kicks in and I end up at gym door no matter how shitty, unmotivated or sick I feel.
I'm a creature of habit and gym consistency is something I feel keeps me on the straight and narrow - and if I take days off I'm a lazy shit and will revert to going wild. Subconsciously.
Me too. If I don't train I feel miserable.
If I'm happy with my training nothing annoys me but liberals at that point. Not even family dinners during christmas annoy me if I hada brilliant leg training before it, I'm the loudest and happiest in the table. But if I haven't trained and there's a family dinner, I spread apathy and misery and people avoid me because I make them feel extremely uncomfortable :D
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Me too. If I don't train I feel miserable.
My way around that is to plan days off by being busy or having good excuses not to train. Take yesterday. I normally train friday but gf had operation. I cancelled all work and planned on no gym even though she should have been ok by 5pm... well operation was late she was not well so i could say "day off you dick she comes first". Trained today (normal off day) cos son is away with boy scouts and my parents were here if anything was off with gf.
If she was unwell id have taken day off no problem. Otherwise i ignore bruised lat/tris (still) and do what i can and moved more work to tomorrow... fuck have a lot of work piled up.
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My way around that is to plan days off by being busy or having good excuses not to train. Take yesterday. I normally train friday but gf had operation. I cancelled all work and planned on no gym even though she should have been ok by 5pm... well operation was late she was not well so i could say "day off you dick she comes first". Trained today (normal off day) cos son is away with boy scouts and my parents were here if anything was off with gf.
If she was unwell id have taken day off no problem. Otherwise i ignore bruised lat/tris (still) and do what i can and moved more work to tomorrow... fuck have a lot of work piled up.
Yeah being busy in the off days helps, especially if you feel terrible for not training. But I did say I knw what I have to do, I just wanted to whine like a bitch a little ;D
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housework or binge eating on off days
yes, i'm screwed :-[
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KO23tDSFNSs
This dude explains that its bullshit. I kinda like his story telling style too, kept me interested
Either way, cyclists got huge quads, construction workers got huge forearms, gymnasts huge triceps...all from daily work. I think the oonce a week method for a natty or semi enhanced lifter is absolute bull and just a way to sell more fat burner supps and protein fart powder to kids
And then little visit in the reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining)
Physiology
A number of possible mechanisms for overtraining have been proposed:
- Microtrauma to the muscles are created faster than the body can heal them.
- Amino acids are used up faster than they are supplied in the diet. This is sometimes called "protein deficiency".
- The body becomes calorie-deficient and the rate of break down of muscle tissue increases.
- Levels of cortisol (the "stress" hormone) are elevated for long periods of time.
- The body spends more time in a catabolic state than an anabolic state (perhaps as a result of elevated cortisol levels).
- Excessive strain to the nervous system during training.
- Systemic Inflammation which results in the release of cytokines activating an immune response
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And then little visit in the reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining)
Physiology
A number of possible mechanisms for overtraining have been proposed:
- Microtrauma to the muscles are created faster than the body can heal them.
- Amino acids are used up faster than they are supplied in the diet. This is sometimes called "protein deficiency".
- The body becomes calorie-deficient and the rate of break down of muscle tissue increases.
- Levels of cortisol (the "stress" hormone) are elevated for long periods of time.
- The body spends more time in a catabolic state than an anabolic state (perhaps as a result of elevated cortisol levels).
- Excessive strain to the nervous system during training.
- Systemic Inflammation which results in the release of cytokines activating an immune response
Lol wut? What did this prove?
Work out more for better gains, especially if you dont have genetics that allow frequent growth.
Most of those points can be countered. Also, what definition of overtraining is the author using to make those points? Overtraining is subjective. Its a mythical beast, only seen by bodybuilders who work out a whopping 45 minutes a day and eat a glutenous 4000 cals per day. Fuckin brutal, navymikes personal hell. Is amazing more BBers dont die from malnourishment and fatigue
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And then little visit in the reality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtraining)
Physiology
A number of possible mechanisms for overtraining have been proposed:
- Microtrauma to the muscles are created faster than the body can heal them.
- Amino acids are used up faster than they are supplied in the diet. This is sometimes called "protein deficiency".
- The body becomes calorie-deficient and the rate of break down of muscle tissue increases.
- Levels of cortisol (the "stress" hormone) are elevated for long periods of time.
- The body spends more time in a catabolic state than an anabolic state (perhaps as a result of elevated cortisol levels).
- Excessive strain to the nervous system during training.
- Systemic Inflammation which results in the release of cytokines activating an immune response
Don't talk sense to them, you'll make their heads implode.
Another thing people are failing to mention is gear usage. It's far easier to overtrain whilst drug-free. Depending on dosage, one might recover at double, triple or ten times the normal rate (obviously individual genetics factored in).
People have this idea that overtraining is some guy absolutely fucked and burnt-out. It also includes performing any more exercise than required to elicit the body's growth mechanism. This is where the accumulation of slightly too much exercise performed over time can lead to not-so-noticeable overtraining.
At the end of the day, it's about letting the body play catch-up and remembering that you are looking to stimulate a positive response with as little work as possible. It's not laziness, it's understanding that the body heals whilst at rest. Cue Vince Basile attempting to explain that a muscle only grows if trained whilst hanging off the bone.
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Some confusion in this thread. An injury is an injury, no question.
Yes, of course it's possible to overtrain and you psychos are just the sort to do it. But the question is whether to LOL @ it and the correct answer is usually yes. On the whole, people are capable of more than they think and the last thing they need is 'science' telling them to spend more time on their butt.
1 or 2 workouts a week? Come on. I'm a casual/hobby/LLS lifter and do more than that.
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Some confusion in this thread. An injury is an injury, no question.
Yes, of course it's possible to overtrain and you psychos are just the sort to do it. But the question is whether to LOL @ it and the correct answer is usually yes. On the whole, people are capable of more than they think and the last thing they need is 'science' telling them to spend more time on their butt.
1 or 2 workouts a week? Come on. I'm a casual/hobby/LLS lifter and do more than that.
Well, just LOL @ it then. There were this guy in my gym, star training again at his 40's with PT, training 5 days a week, low body fat, lot of aerobics on the side. He start training about four years ago, gaining mass quite nicely as natural, but towards the end, he seem to be kind of burning out at last few months. Then he got a heart attack, now he is gone. If this is another end of the line, and you are "LOL @ it" at the other end of the line, there is lot of crap you doesn't want to find out by experience between those two ends of the line ;D
If we simplify this matter to the level that morons and idiots would understand, here is what it is all about: While you are training, you are burning away old muscle mass and building new one. While you are doing that, your metabolism try to clean that crap + what you eat + what you drink + what you inhale + drugs what you use + supplements and all other crap from your circulation by your liver, your kidneys etc. If you are natural and training 1 to 3 times per week, your metabolism can accomplish that task, but if you are training more, the task gets harder. If your metabolism cannot clean your system before next training session, that crap start to accumulate, which leads to crash at some point. This point depends your genetics, your health, your stress level and the gear you use. It doesn't happen every one and all the time, but those lucky ones who are facing these symptoms, it could be quite harsh experience. In bad cases they talk about the years of recovery, but there is also cases like that guy at my gym. So in my point of view, taking some pause once per 8 weeks isn't as big problem, as being a stupid and taking pause of few months if the shit hit the fan ;D
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Well, just LOL @ it then. There were this guy in my gym, star training again at his 40's with PT, training 5 days a week, low body fat, lot of aerobics on the side. He start training about four years ago, gaining mass quite nicely as natural, but towards the end, he seem to be kind of burning out at last few months. Then he got a heart attack, now he is gone. If this is another end of the line, and you are "LOL @ it" at the other end of the line, there is lot of crap you doesn't want to find out by experience between those two ends of the line ;D
If we simplify this matter to the level that morons and idiots would understand, here is what it is all about: While you are training, you are burning away old muscle mass and building new one. While you are doing that, your metabolism try to clean that crap + what you eat + what you drink + what you inhale + drugs what you use + supplements and all other crap from your circulation by your liver, your kidneys etc. If you are natural and training 1 to 3 times per week, your metabolism can accomplish that task, but if you are training more, the task gets harder. If your metabolism cannot clean your system before next training session, that crap start to accumulate, which leads to crash at some point. This point depends your genetics, your health, your stress level and the gear you use. It doesn't happen every one and all the time, but those lucky ones who are facing these symptoms, it could be quite harsh experience. In bad cases they talk about the years of recovery, but there is also cases like that guy at my gym. So in my point of view, taking some pause once per 8 weeks isn't as big problem, as being a stupid and taking pause of few months if the shit hit the fan ;D
The nervous system will give out that's what matters more. It needs 10 days to recover if totally overtrained. Taking a rest to let it recover is fine. It won't burn out much when you start training but with higher intensity yes. As for the guy in your story you have no idea what else he was doing like pre workout stimulants and if he was going 5 days a week every week at a decent intensity then yes he will burn out and need time off. Intensity the first year isn't at a level to stress the nervous system enough.
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Some confusion in this thread. An injury is an injury, no question.
Yes, of course it's possible to overtrain and you psychos are just the sort to do it. But the question is whether to LOL @ it and the correct answer is usually yes. On the whole, people are capable of more than they think and the last thing they need is 'science' telling them to spend more time on their butt.
1 or 2 workouts a week? Come on. I'm a casual/hobby/LLS lifter and do more than that.
I run about 10 miles a week. Could I do more? Certainly, but, that's not the issue. It's whether doing more will do me any good. I don't think so.
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I run about 10 miles a week. Could I do more? Certainly, but, that's not the issue. It's whether doing more will do me any good. I don't think so.
Nice. Good statement