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I wonder, how on earth has this guy managed to slam so much AAS and everything under the sun for decades and still appear to be ok? what gives? genetics? is he like one of those guys who smokes 2 packs a day and lives to 90 years old?
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How do you know the amount of drugs he has taken in his life?
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How do you know the amount of drugs he has taken in his life?
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Markus will outlive Dexter.
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First, pro's are genetic freaks that respond better than most of us. Dexter is just that rare exception. But if you look at his physique, he comes off for extended periods of time. Even takes time off from teh gym
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How do you know the amount of drugs he has taken in his life?
Common sense even in the smallest amount; how many breaks has he taken in the past 20 years?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHH
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He is on the cover of muscular development looks great better than phil
WoooSHHHHHHHH
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How do you know the amount of drugs he has taken in his life?
::)
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Years of cycling Cell-tech and Acetabolan gave him a great muscle base.
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Years of cycling Cell-tech and Acetabolan gave him a great muscle base.
X2...
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Years of cycling Cell-tech and Acetabolan gave him a great muscle base.
Not to mention, high doses of Pump Tech and/or Thermo Gain.
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I bet his body responded amazingly to Leukic Hardcore Pro Series
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As Dexter hasn't gained much size/weight in the past 15 years, I doubt that he has upped the dose that much either.
Also what really paid off for him in the long run is that he never played the size game. Never bulked up heavy in the off-season, always maintained a low bodyweight year round, plus easy pump training on machines and cables instead of heavy compound movements.
I could be wrong, but Dexter could be on as less as 2000 mgs of total gear/week, regarding his bodyweight and height. Also I doubt that he's a heavy slin abuser, never got that crazy full 3D look like a Phil or others.
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He's gone from bantam weight to top pro.
Yeah, he goes easy on the sauce for sure!
Idiots...
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I bet his body responded amazingly to Leukic Hardcore Pro Series
anator...as well
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As Dexter hasn't gained much size/weight in the past 15 years, I doubt that he has upped the dose that much either.
He's always gone easy on the sauce.
What made his body respond the most, was from the Avidan Muscle-series.
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Maybe...just maybe................... ........................ ...steroids and gh aren't all THAT dangerous, huhhh?? ::)
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He's gone from bantam weight to top pro.
Yeah, he goes easy on the sauce for sure!
Idiots...
Was just about to post the same thing.....
He never played the size game?, he's been maxed out for years, if he didn't play the size game he'd still be under 200lbs
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Was just about to post the same thing.....
He never played the size game?, he's been maxed out for years, if he didn't play the size game he'd still be under 200lbs
lol true,,heck imagine at 5'6 ripped 185/195/205 is still impressive regardless...dex is 220 plus that's freaking insane...
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He's gone from bantam weight to top pro.
Yeah, he goes easy on the sauce for sure!
Idiots...
^^^THIS how f'n naïve are some of you idiots???? 5 x Arnold winner, 1x Olympia all from a bantamweight....sure guys prolly only uses TRT doses lmfao!!!!
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The only time people get into trouble is running orals too long, diuretics, other kidney toxic shit. The verdict is out on tren, to this day there is no proof that it is liver or kidney toxic but real world evidence from many supports otherwise. Heart problems aside, I see no reason why a pro couldn't stay on high doses of testosterone for decades and and maintain the majority of their size. Obviously they won't look like they do when they're running 300mg tren ace a day on top of 6 other compounds but still remain huge lean guys.
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^^^THIS how f'n naïve are some of you idiots???? 5 x Arnold winner, 1x Olympia all from a bantamweight....sure guys prolly only uses TRT doses lmfao!!!!
Off course he doesn't use TRT doses but he's probably not as reckless as most. Dex has never added more than 5- 10 pounds a year
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As Dexter hasn't gained much size/weight in the past 15 years, I doubt that he has upped the dose that much either.
Also what really paid off for him in the long run is that he never played the size game. Never bulked up heavy in the off-season, always maintained a low bodyweight year round, plus easy pump training on machines and cables instead of heavy compound movements.
I could be wrong, but Dexter could be on as less as 2000 mgs of total gear/week, regarding his bodyweight and height. Also I doubt that he's a heavy slin abuser, never got that crazy full 3D look like a Phil or others.
How do you know how he trained ? Im sure I seen 1 of his DVDs years ago and he wasn't doin light pump sets ::)
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Lots of alcohol and wheatgrass.
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How do you know how he trained ? Im sure I seen 1 of his DVDs years ago and he wasn't doin light pump sets ::)
Then it was staged for the DVD. Dexter is known to be one of the laziest BBers of all time, most crossfiters and senior citizen Pilates groups beat Dexter on intensity.
Dexter doesn't do cardio, alse he does his weight training half asleep. Hies diet, according to Markus Ruhl, consists of eating his cheeseburgers without cheese (so he's ordering "Hamburgers" instead of "Cheeseburgers" the last 6 weeks b4 the Olympia). Dexter is one of the luckiest genetic freaks out there. Imagine how Dexter would look like if he actually tried to be a great BB. :o
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Then it was staged for the DVD. Dexter is known to be one of the laziest BBers of all time, most crossfiters and senior citizen Pilates groups beat Dexter on intensity.
Dexter doesn't do cardio, alse he does his weight training half asleep. Hies diet, according to Markus Ruhl, consists of eating his cheeseburgers without cheese (so he's ordering "Hamburgers" instead of "Cheeseburgers" the last 6 weeks b4 the Olympia). Dexter is one of the luckiest genetic freaks out there. Imagine how Dexter would look like if he actually tried to be a great BB. :o
That was way back in the beginning, I'm 99% certain he does cardio now. I also heard a number on his slin use. It was in the hundreds of units.
I think you are so far off in your estimations of what he takes and what those guys gotta take to be that huge!
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That was way back in the beginning, I'm 99% certain he does cardio now. I also heard a number on his slin use. It was in the hundreds of units.
I think you are so far off in your estimations of what he takes and what those guys gotta take to be that huge!
Dude, he's 220 on stage. 8 pds less and he could compete with the midgets.
Be sure there's a ton of National competitors (or even gymrats) who take A LOT more than he does.
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Dude, he's 220 on stage. 8 pds less and he could compete with the midgets.
Be sure there's a ton of National competitors (or even gymrats) who take A LOT more than he does.
HE'S 5'6 that's large with great joints and fullness...
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HE'S 5'6 that's large with great joints and fullness...
I guess we need to put things into perspective a lil bit :-\
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S0kBOYb7t5I/AAAAAAAAFV0/Wz4QjdtKkJM/s400/Ronnie+Coleman,+Dexter+Jackson,+Dennis+Wolf+at+2007+Mr.+Olympia+Finals.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/357/d/img_32251253959673.jpg)
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Dude, he's 220 on stage. 8 pds less and he could compete with the midgets.
Be sure there's a ton of National competitors (or even gymrats) who take A LOT more than he does.
Or even MPD, huh?!
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I guess we need to put things into perspective a lil bit :-\
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/S0kBOYb7t5I/AAAAAAAAFV0/Wz4QjdtKkJM/s400/Ronnie+Coleman,+Dexter+Jackson,+Dennis+Wolf+at+2007+Mr.+Olympia+Finals.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/357/d/img_32251253959673.jpg)
WELL yeah of course body weight /mass wise 5'9/5'10 5'11 are going to be larger/bigger,he looks better than a shot Ronnie and a ripped but not usual huge wolf..
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Then it was staged for the DVD. Dexter is known to be one of the laziest BBers of all time, most crossfiters and senior citizen Pilates groups beat Dexter on intensity.
Dexter doesn't do cardio, alse he does his weight training half asleep. Hies diet, according to Markus Ruhl, consists of eating his cheeseburgers without cheese (so he's ordering "Hamburgers" instead of "Cheeseburgers" the last 6 weeks b4 the Olympia). Dexter is one of the luckiest genetic freaks out there. Imagine how Dexter would look like if he actually tried to be a great BB. :o
Gullible dumbass. You believe anything you read.
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He's gone from bantam weight to top pro.
Yeah, he goes easy on the sauce for sure!
Idiots...
Exactly, many of the guys on here (posting for years) yet still think that you only abuse steroids when you get distented belly,nerve damage ,torn muscles, "too old to quit" or die lol ...
to think Dexter (a 5'6" tadpole/ectomorph) is not in some serious drug protocol to maintain that muscle mass in his late 40's; you really have to be naïve ....
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Exactly, many of the guys on here (posting for years) yet still think that you only abuse steroids when you get distented belly,nerve damage ,torn muscles, "too old to quit" or die lol ...
to think Dexter (a 5'6" tadpole/ectomorph) is not in some serious drug protocol to maintain that muscle mass in his late 40's; you really have to be naïve ....
He probably just went from 4 meals a day to 8.
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First, pro's are genetic freaks that respond better than most of us. Dexter is just that rare exception. But if you look at his physique, he comes off for extended periods of time. Even takes time off from teh gym
This all makes sense. Taking a long time off isn't only beneficial for his health, but it also keeps his receptors 'awake'.
On a side note, this may also be the route that Ramy is currently taking.
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He's gone from bantam weight to top pro.
Yeah, he goes easy on the sauce for sure!
Idiots...
This. Not a lot more to be said.
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I wonder, how on earth has this guy managed to slam so much AAS and everything under the sun for decades and still appear to be ok? what gives? genetics? is he like one of those guys who smokes 2 packs a day and lives to 90 years old?
I think it's part like the guys who smokes two packs a day and he might go completely off drugs like a lot of the many guys did back in the 70's and early 80's after a contest. The other theory is no insulin or growth hormone. Bottom line no one knows how he maintains that physique he showed last Olympia.
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Hypertension and diabetes (from the GH) are the main things a bber needs to watch out for....keep those numbers reasonable and you probably wont die an early death from AAS
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Dexter is full of shit about diet, training and cardio.
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Dexter is full of shit about diet, training and cardio.
Off course he is full shit. Lying to make him look like an alien specimen to fools like affeman.
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As Dexter hasn't gained much size/weight in the past 15 years, I doubt that he has upped the dose that much either.
Also what really paid off for him in the long run is that he never played the size game. Never bulked up heavy in the off-season, always maintained a low bodyweight year round, plus easy pump training on machines and cables instead of heavy compound movements.
I could be wrong, but Dexter could be on as less as 2000 mgs of total gear/week, regarding his bodyweight and height. Also I doubt that he's a heavy slin abuser, never got that crazy full 3D look like a Phil or others.
You really think Dexter takes less than most gym rats? These guys, for the most part, are all doing the same thing. They all abuse everything, some are lucky enough to look much better than the others, and not get sick while doing it. To say Dexter never got the full, 3D look is completely misguided. If you've ever stood next to him in person, it's the exact opposite.
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You really think Dexter takes less than most gym rats? These guys, for the most part, are all doing the same thing. They all abuse everything, some are lucky enough to look much better than the others, and not get sick while doing it. To say Dexter never got the full, 3D look is completely misguided. If you've ever stood next to him in person, it's the exact opposite.
Yeah, he has 3D
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I like Dexter! DOsent talk much shit! Doing what he is doing!
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A BEAST IN TANK TOP PICS...
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Yeah, he has 3D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=589792.0;attach=665715;image)
Massive arm imbalance.
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Dexter jackson: mutant
Of the teenage ninja variety.
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He went from a bantam to 230 on stage in his late 40s.. He has put on considerable size in the last couple years.. Again in his late 40s.. He is not using under 2 grams a week when fully loaded for a show
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He started out competing as a bantamweight around 200 years ago.
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weird pic
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Then it was staged for the DVD. Dexter is known to be one of the laziest BBers of all time, most crossfiters and senior citizen Pilates groups beat Dexter on intensity.
Dexter doesn't do cardio, alse he does his weight training half asleep. Hies diet, according to Markus Ruhl, consists of eating his cheeseburgers without cheese (so he's ordering "Hamburgers" instead of "Cheeseburgers" the last 6 weeks b4 the Olympia). Dexter is one of the luckiest genetic freaks out there. Imagine how Dexter would look like if he actually tried to be a great BB. :o
He wouldn't be much better. He doesn't have Ronnie's frame. Or Haney's frame.
He is a fucking bantamweight that juiced hard for 20+ years. He is as good as he will ever be.
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That was way back in the beginning, I'm 99% certain he does cardio now. I also heard a number on his slin use. It was in the hundreds of units.
I think you are so far off in your estimations of what he takes and what those guys gotta take to be that huge!
100's of units of insulin, how fucking naive are you bro?
My brother is a diabetic and if he took 100 units of insulin a day spread out through all of his meals, he'd be in a coma and dead. 100 units of humalog a day would require you to eat at LEAST 800g of carbs a day to not go hypoglycemic. A large dose of humalog for a carbohydrate heavy meal (150g of carbs) for my brother is 15 units. And his pancreas produces NO INSULIN. If he took even 40 units of humalog at once and only ate 100g of carbs(which is still a decent amount of carbs), he'd be rushed to the hospital within 3 hours.
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100's of units of insulin, how fucking naive are you bro?
My brother is a diabetic and if he took 100 units of insulin a day spread out through all of his meals, he'd be in a coma and dead. 100 units of humalog a day would require you to eat at LEAST 800g of carbs a day to not go hypoglycemic. A large dose of humalog for a carbohydrate heavy meal (150g of carbs) for my brother is 15 units. And his pancreas produces NO INSULIN. If he took even 40 units of humalog at once and only ate 100g of carbs(which is still a decent amount of carbs), he'd be rushed to the hospital within 3 hours.
Bahahaha you fuckin' IDIOT!!!
Keep posting and proving what a dumb ass you are. You are soooo eating out of my hand like a little ant on this one, you have no clue, NONE.
Now go back in the corner you came from....
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That was way back in the beginning, I'm 99% certain he does cardio now. I also heard a number on his slin use. It was in the hundreds of units.
I think you are so far off in your estimations of what he takes and what those guys gotta take to be that huge!
How many hundreds of units?
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How many hundreds of units?
was beyond anything ever heard. This is from one of MTL's top coaches, he does not repeat bullshit...
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Markus will outlive Dexter.
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Markus is already actually 100 years old. He will live to at least 150.
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100's of units of insulin, how fucking naive are you bro?
My brother is a diabetic and if he took 100 units of insulin a day spread out through all of his meals, he'd be in a coma and dead. 100 units of humalog a day would require you to eat at LEAST 800g of carbs a day to not go hypoglycemic. A large dose of humalog for a carbohydrate heavy meal (150g of carbs) for my brother is 15 units. And his pancreas produces NO INSULIN. If he took even 40 units of humalog at once and only ate 100g of carbs(which is still a decent amount of carbs), he'd be rushed to the hospital within 3 hours.
Small doses of gh will Jack up blood sugar much less the 30 units pros use every day, on low doses you could inject 20iu of slin without eating and feel fine. Get some experience before talking.
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100's of units of insulin, how fucking naive are you bro?
My brother is a diabetic and if he took 100 units of insulin a day spread out through all of his meals, he'd be in a coma and dead. 100 units of humalog a day would require you to eat at LEAST 800g of carbs a day to not go hypoglycemic. A large dose of humalog for a carbohydrate heavy meal (150g of carbs) for my brother is 15 units. And his pancreas produces NO INSULIN. If he took even 40 units of humalog at once and only ate 100g of carbs(which is still a decent amount of carbs), he'd be rushed to the hospital within 3 hours.
Sad to say it 100iu of insulin is doable
I know at least 2-3 uk amateur BBs who use
That & more.
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was beyond anything ever heard. This is from one of MTL's top coaches, he does not repeat bullshit...
So many people on this board are so blinded by their trust for their sources that they completely refuse to believe that their sources are just as exploitable as they themselves are.
We read lies on this board every week from people who truly believe they have been told the truth.
And to be clear - I am not disputing your particular claim that you have passed on - I'm disputing that you can know that what the person has told you is not bullshit. If he doesn't know it is bullshit (and it is remotely plausible), he cannot judge it bullshit.
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So many people on this board are so blinded by their trust for their sources that they completely refuse to believe that their sources are just as exploitable as they themselves are.
We read lies on this board every week from people who truly believe they have been told the truth.
And to be clear - I am not disputing your particular claim that you have passed on - I'm disputing that you can know that what the person has told you is not bullshit. If he doesn't know it is bullshit (and it is remotely plausible), he cannot judge it bullshit.
I hear you, but let's just be logical fro a second here...
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2008 looked crazy. I think he earned it for sure
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410168.0;attach=453061;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410168.0;attach=453062;image)
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I hear you, but let's just be logical fro a second here...
If we are being logical then we have to throw our hands up in the air and say we just don't know :)
There has to be hyper responders to gear out there.
There has to be people who have iron organs that can handle boatloads of toxic drugs.
He could be one or both of those.
The way he looks (never unhealthy), you have to say the dude could very well be blessed with both.
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Small doses of gh will Jack up blood sugar much less the 30 units pros use every day, on low doses you could inject 20iu of slin without eating and feel fine. Get some experience before talking.
And I'm sure you've taken pharm grade humalog and pharm grade gh, and you're telling me to get some experience before talking lol. 20iu of humalog without eating will put you in a coma or near coma state with blood sugars below 50 even if your fasting blood sugar is above 200. 120-130 fasting blood sugar is considered pre diabetic btw.
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And I'm sure you've taken pharm grade humalog and pharm grade gh, and you're telling me to get some experience before talking lol. 20iu of humalog without eating will put you in a coma or near coma state with blood sugars below 50 even if your fasting blood sugar is above 200. 120-130 fasting blood sugar is considered pre diabetic btw.
You are wrong. Yesterday I had no appetite so I took 50iu of Lantus and 20iu of Humalog, drank a glass of chocolate Milk and went to sleep for a couple of hours. Woke up and could eat a nice meal lol. I'm not on gh either.High doses are easy to do if you want to, not that I recommend it. 40iu of Humalog isn't much harder to deal with than 20iu for example.
I've taken 40iu of Humalog several times with no problem. But I have played with it for 15 years so I know how I react (don't try this at home).
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Bodybuilding is predominantly contingent on how one responds to drugs coupled with how long one can be on them without getting sick. Add good genetics as far as muscle shape, insertions etc. and you have a tier one pro.
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Mr. Personality Jackson ::)
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100's of units of insulin, how fucking naive are you bro?
My brother is a diabetic and if he took 100 units of insulin a day spread out through all of his meals, he'd be in a coma and dead. 100 units of humalog a day would require you to eat at LEAST 800g of carbs a day to not go hypoglycemic. A large dose of humalog for a carbohydrate heavy meal (150g of carbs) for my brother is 15 units. And his pancreas produces NO INSULIN. If he took even 40 units of humalog at once and only ate 100g of carbs(which is still a decent amount of carbs), he'd be rushed to the hospital within 3 hours.
I've used upto 70iu a day
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And I'm sure you've taken pharm grade humalog and pharm grade gh, and you're telling me to get some experience before talking lol. 20iu of humalog without eating will put you in a coma or near coma state with blood sugars below 50 even if your fasting blood sugar is above 200. 120-130 fasting blood sugar is considered pre diabetic btw.
They make non pharmgrade humalog? Lol not bothering with you
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He started out competing as a bantamweight around 200 years ago.
U got him beat at 300 yrs
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That was way back in the beginning, I'm 99% certain he does cardio now. I also heard a number on his slin use. It was in the hundreds of units.
I think you are so far off in your estimations of what he takes and what those guys gotta take to be that huge!
This is very true, I've seen him train when I'm back home in California a few times when he was prepping for the O. Yes he does cardio and trains hard as well. As with all the Charles glass clients they all do the same bullshit exercises and pumps with all dif angles. Same from pro to pro
And no Dexter is not taking 2000 mgs of total gear for his preps, way higher
I think if levrone wanted too if he didn't "retire" he could have gone on like Dexter , his physique even today is still fresh and ten times better than Jay or Ronnie
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He went from a bantam to 230 on stage in his late 40s.. He has put on considerable size in the last couple years.. Again in his late 40s.. He is not using under 2 grams a week when fully loaded for a show
TWO GRAMS! Really? Guy's a maniac! Playing Russian Roulette! How does he function normally "fully loaded" on two grams?
And as oldtimer said, no slin and gh.
Shit you guys know your stuff!
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Bahahaha you fuckin' IDIOT!!!
Keep posting and proving what a dumb ass you are. You are soooo eating out of my hand like a little ant on this one, you have no clue, NONE.
Now go back in the corner you came from....
Why do you bother with this moron? He's just making that shit up with his brother not knowing that there are actually people on this board that use more insulin than that and easily go over five grams a week at the amateur level.
I once experimented with insulin years ago and took 40 units of Humulin R then had a drink of 50 grams of carbs a half hour later and started training after another hour sipping a carb drink containing 100 grams of sugar (sucrose).
Zero problems.
To say he has no clue is an understatement. Still, not as bad as the guy who says Dex doesn't go under two grams "fully loaded".
As Van B said in another thread that it's just so hard to believe in 2016 that people still have no clue to want it takes to be at a pro level.
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You are wrong. Yesterday I had no appetite so I took 50iu of Lantus and 20iu of Humalog, drank a glass of chocolate Milk and went to sleep for a couple of hours. Woke up and could eat a nice meal lol. I'm not on gh either.High doses are easy to do if you want to, not that I recommend it. 40iu of Humalog isn't much harder to deal with than 20iu for example.
I've taken 40iu of Humalog several times with no problem. But I have played with it for 15 years so I know how I react (don't try this at home).
What's your rationale for taking insulin without gh? Stimulate appetite?
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What's your rationale for taking insulin without gh? Stimulate appetite?
Actually, you can take insulin by itself for bbing purposes because it shuttles nutrients into your muscles. It's when you start taking high dosages of gh that will require the use of insulin.
Remember, gh raises blood sugar and when you take high dosages for a prolong period of time it will continually raise fasting blood glucose levels. Insulin will lower your blood sugar.
Using insulin to cram nutrients into your muscles when you most need it creates a much greater anabolic environment.
http://cleanhealth.com.au/interview-former-ifbb-pro-milos-sarcev/
Men have about 5L of blood and women have about 4L distributed all over the body which is constantly circulating around. In a state of rest at maximum about 10 -12 % of that blood finds its way in to our skeletal muscles, as there is no real physiological demand at the time of a low physical activity period. However, when we become active, blood is sent to our working muscles… and that increased blood flow to exercising muscles (Hyperemia) can achieve an astonishing 60% increase in blood flow or more during weight training. This happens ONLY during the workout!
If I supply all the necessary anabolic nutrients in a pre-digested form (e.g; ATP, glucose, amino acids etc) into the blood stream right before training and then continue delivering more of the same nutrients during my training session whilst raising the most anabolic hormone in our body – insulin – I will create an immediate and maximal anabolic environment.
So instead of loosing nutrients (protein degradation or catabolism) we are creating a greater nutritional uptake by our muscle cells (protein synthesis or anabolism) and simultaneously preventing anti-catabolism… everything we need to great the maximal results we are after. So we need to remember that we only have this opportunity during training, not before or after as blood will not be in the muscle to this extent.
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That was way back in the beginning, I'm 99% certain he does cardio now. I also heard a number on his slin use. It was in the hundreds of units.
I think you are so far off in your estimations of what he takes and what those guys gotta take to be that huge!
Are you sure you didn't meant thousands? ::)
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Actually, you can take insulin by itself for bbing purposes because it shuttles nutrients into your muscles. It's when you start taking high dosages of gh that will require the use of insulin.
Remember, gh raises blood sugar and when you take high dosages for a prolong period of time it will continually raise fasting blood glucose levels. Insulin will lower your blood sugar.
Using insulin to cram nutrients into your muscles when you most need it creates a much greater anabolic environment.
http://cleanhealth.com.au/interview-former-ifbb-pro-milos-sarcev/
Men have about 5L of blood and women have about 4L distributed all over the body which is constantly circulating around. In a state of rest at maximum about 10 -12 % of that blood finds its way in to our skeletal muscles, as there is no real physiological demand at the time of a low physical activity period. However, when we become active, blood is sent to our working muscles… and that increased blood flow to exercising muscles (Hyperemia) can achieve an astonishing 60% increase in blood flow or more during weight training. This happens ONLY during the workout!
If I supply all the necessary anabolic nutrients in a pre-digested form (e.g; ATP, glucose, amino acids etc) into the blood stream right before training and then continue delivering more of the same nutrients during my training session whilst raising the most anabolic hormone in our body – insulin – I will create an immediate and maximal anabolic environment.
So instead of loosing nutrients (protein degradation or catabolism) we are creating a greater nutritional uptake by our muscle cells (protein synthesis or anabolism) and simultaneously preventing anti-catabolism… everything we need to great the maximal results we are after. So we need to remember that we only have this opportunity during training, not before or after as blood will not be in the muscle to this extent.
From what I understand if you don't use GH with it you'll get quite fat also.
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Actually, you can take insulin by itself for bbing purposes because it shuttles nutrients into your muscles....Using insulin to cram nutrients into your muscles when you most need it creates a much greater anabolic environment.
Definitely, but unless you're a diabetic, your body will produce enough insulin on its own to shuttle the nutrients into the muscles....no exogenous insulin needed. I know Milos is a big proponent of this theory but I'm skeptical that insulin is the rate-limiting factor for muscle growth in a non-diabetic bodybuilder. I think it could allow for increased size/weight by allowing the muscles to uptake and store more glycogen, but little in the way of additional contractile muscle tissue.
On the other hand, Tim Belknapp got pretty freaky for his era and the rumor was it was because he manipulated his insulin intake, as he was a diabetic. This was back in the early 80's so it was before the widespread availability of GH. Who can say for sure though.
I've fooled around with insulin a bit but all I noticed were wicked pumps and water weight....little in the way of additional strength or (as far as I can tell) additional muscle tissue.
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Definitely, but unless you're a diabetic, your body will produce enough insulin on its own to shuttle the nutrients into the muscles....no exogenous insulin needed. I know Milos is a big proponent of this theory but I'm skeptical that insulin is the rate-limiting factor for muscle growth in a non-diabetic bodybuilder. I think it could allow for increased size/weight by allowing the muscles to uptake and store more glycogen, but little in the way of additional contractile muscle tissue.
On the other hand, Tim Belknapp got pretty freaky for his era and the rumor was it was because he manipulated his insulin intake, as he was a diabetic. This was back in the early 80's so it was before the widespread availability of GH. Who can say for sure though.
I've fooled around with insulin a bit but all I noticed were wicked pumps and water weight....little in the way of additional strength or (as far as I can tell) additional muscle tissue.
Tim also had that bloofy look that many of today's bodybuilders have. I always thought it was the insulin that created this look, due to him being a diabetic and having to take insulin.
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Definitely, but unless you're a diabetic, your body will produce enough insulin on its own to shuttle the nutrients into the muscles....no exogenous insulin needed. I know Milos is a big proponent of this theory but I'm skeptical that insulin is the rate-limiting factor for muscle growth in a non-diabetic bodybuilder. I think it could allow for increased size/weight by allowing the muscles to uptake and store more glycogen, but little in the way of additional contractile muscle tissue.
On the other hand, Tim Belknapp got pretty freaky for his era and the rumor was it was because he manipulated his insulin intake, as he was a diabetic. This was back in the early 80's so it was before the widespread availability of GH. Who can say for sure though.
I've fooled around with insulin a bit but all I noticed were wicked pumps and water weight....little in the way of additional strength or (as far as I can tell) additional muscle tissue.
Same here. Considering all the f'in shakes I had to prepare to make it "work" the hell with it, total pain in the ass, makes almost 0 difference on my overall size/build.
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Tim also had that bloofy look that many of today's bodybuilders have. I always thought it was the insulin that created this look, due to him being a diabetic and having to take insulin.
I don't really think so...yeah he had a fat face even when shredded, but his physique was anything but bloofy
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Same here. Considering all the f'in shakes I had to prepare to make it "work" the hell with it, total pain in the ass, makes almost 0 difference on my overall size/build.
Yup...trying to lift when you're worried about going hypo sucks. It was fun getting an total-body pump from riding the exercycle to warm up though ;D
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From what I understand if you don't use GH with it you'll get quite fat also.
No, not true. Insulin in and of itself will not make you fat or make you gain weight. That 100% contingent on being in a caloric surplus.
Now though being in a caloric surplus will make you gain weight, the type of weight you gain does matter if you are on HGH, AAS, weight train, take insulin and peptides...
With gh and tren you can be more "sloppy" with your diet and not get fat. This is a very anabolic combination and combined with intense weight training the additional calories will go more toward building muscle than gaining fat.
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Definitely, but unless you're a diabetic, your body will produce enough insulin on its own to shuttle the nutrients into the muscles....no exogenous insulin needed. I know Milos is a big proponent of this theory but I'm skeptical that insulin is the rate-limiting factor for muscle growth in a non-diabetic bodybuilder. I think it could allow for increased size/weight by allowing the muscles to uptake and store more glycogen, but little in the way of additional contractile muscle tissue.
On the other hand, Tim Belknapp got pretty freaky for his era and the rumor was it was because he manipulated his insulin intake, as he was a diabetic. This was back in the early 80's so it was before the widespread availability of GH. Who can say for sure though.
I've fooled around with insulin a bit but all I noticed were wicked pumps and water weight....little in the way of additional strength or (as far as I can tell) additional muscle tissue.
That's what I didn't understand about slin and no one was able to give me a good answer. No matter how much carbs you eat your body is going to produce enough slin to assimilate the carbs. Why do you need extra insulin.
Look at it this way. Say you consume 50 grams of carbs. OK, fine, you go about your business no problem. Now say you consume 50 grams of carbs and then inject but this time you inject 50 units of humalog. You will find yourself going hypo within an hour. What happened to those carbs. Their gone. They been shuttled away. The humalof was are able to cram more nutrients much faster than your own body.
Why does this matter? Well, according to Milos, if you cram far more nutrients at a time when you most need it (while working out and while nutrient rich blood is being pumped to the muscles) it will create a much more powerful anabolic effect. When not working out you still need to ingest far more nutrients as a bodybuilder than the average Joe. Exogenous insulin enables you to pack more nutrients much faster than your own body can.
With Belknap, there's no way to know unless you talk to him directly. My guess is that it played no role and he only used insulin as required by his condition. I say that because the knowledge wasn't there at the time and there were other thickly muscled bbers at the time that didn't use slin. Franco being one of them. Belknap, like so many others, was just a freak with a far above average ability to put on muscle mass.
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What's your rationale for taking insulin without gh? Stimulate appetite?
Yeah, and I kind of like going slightly hypo and then eating. Insulin doesn't do much for me as far as muscle gains but it's good for gaining quick weight, if you want to for whatever reason.
Definitely, but unless you're a diabetic, your body will produce enough insulin on its own to shuttle the nutrients into the muscles....no exogenous insulin needed. I know Milos is a big proponent of this theory but I'm skeptical that insulin is the rate-limiting factor for muscle growth in a non-diabetic bodybuilder. I think it could allow for increased size/weight by allowing the muscles to uptake and store more glycogen, but little in the way of additional contractile muscle tissue.
I actually asked Milos here if he could explain why insulin works, but his reply was just, "exogenous insulin has numerous benefits". Sure sure, but explain what it does exactly, the mechanism? I don't think Milos could really explain it if debating someone who has done a bit of reading.
Personally I suspect it can aid in muscle growth, maybe by igf-1 boosting, reduced catabolism etc, but as you know you don't need a lot of insulin to maximally stimulate protein synthesis. You could also speculate that if you jack up one group of hormones involved in muscle growth then it would make sense to increase all hormones involved in this chain. Not only insulin but things like T3 too which many use to boost the effects of AAS, GH and insulin.
Look at it this way. Say you consume 50 grams of carbs. OK, fine, you go about your business no problem. Now say you consume 50 grams of carbs and then inject but this time you inject 50 units of humalog. You will find yourself going hypo within an hour. What happened to those carbs. Their gone. They been shuttled away. The humalof was are able to cram more nutrients much faster than your own body.
Why does this matter? Well, according to Milos, if you cram far more nutrients at a time when you most need it (while working out and while nutrient rich blood is being pumped to the muscles) it will create a much more powerful anabolic effect. When not working out you still need to ingest far more nutrients as a bodybuilder than the average Joe. Exogenous insulin enables you to pack more nutrients much faster than your own body can.
My understanding is that one of the main effects of insulin is actually a reduction in glucose production by the liver. This is mainly how it lowers BG, not necessarily because all those carbs were crammed into your muscles when you go hypo. If I'm wrong someone correct me. I'm not aware of any studies showing whether exogenous insulin increases glycogen or rate of glycogen resynthesis in healthy subjects. If it does, by how much? Would be interesting to know. The pumps you get could be partly due to general water retention too.
Why do you bother with this moron? He's just making that shit up with his brother not knowing that there are actually people on this board that use more insulin than that and easily go over five grams a week at the amateur level.
His experience with his brother is probably very real. But just because his brother has hypo episodes doesn't mean otherwise healthy bodybuilders can't handle more than that. He simply hasn't seen it done so it sounds crazy to him. Dude I buy my insulin from is a diabetic and takes Lantus at 14iu in the morning and 16iu at night with Humalog with meals as needed, depending on size of meals. I can take 50iu of Lantus and way more Humalog than him yet not eat any crazy amounts of food.
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I don't really think so...yeah he had a fat face even when shredded, but his physique was anything but bloofy
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Exactly! When he first came on the scene everyone, including myself, remarked on how hard and chiseled he was.
It's the type of lens people look through today, everyone is bloofy, lacks foundation and has gyno.