On 400 test a week,,, I know, it's high, but my point is, I feel damn good:
High energy
High sex drive
Less anxiety
Feel great
Very strong and look fantastic
So why isn't everyone on 2-400 mg test a week? Pretty side effect free and feel like superman!!
Long term effects on health are as of yet indeterminate. May promote good health, or it may increase morbidity. It'll be another 10-20 years before we'll knowYeah, but TRT is what you do when you are done cycling. TRT is for old codgers, meaning 60 and up, should you live that long. If you make it that far, you deserve all the testosterone you can handle I say.
BTW, 400mg test a week isn't TRT....that's a cycle. 100mg/10 days, or whatever amount gets your test to 800-1200ng/dl is TRT
Yeah, but TRT is what you do when you are done cycling. TRT is for old codgers, meaning 60 and up, should you live that long. If you make it that far, you deserve all the testosterone you can handle I say.
What about side-effects?Side effects of getting old are far worse, better being swole with sides than a fat out of shape depressed cun+. JMO
My main worry would be hairloss or gyno.
Though I've also read that test alone has less side-effects...?
Yeah, but TRT is what you do when you are done cycling. TRT is for old codgers, meaning 60 and up, should you live that long. If you make it that far, you deserve all the testosterone you can handle I say.
Yeah, but TRT is what you do when you are done cycling. TRT is for old codgers, meaning 60 and up, should you live that long. If you make it that far, you deserve all the testosterone you can handle I say.
You make it sound as if living to 60 is some kind of great accomplishment or impossible feat.Personally, 60 will do me, I don't see too many people in their prime after this. I am just about to turn 43, I am ready to die at any time, I don't give a fuck, death doesn't bother me at all. Pain and suffering still does, but death, meh. I just don't worry about death, I often times tempt it I am sure, but hey living is for living right, you're a long time dead.
Personally, 60 will do me, I don't see too many people in their prime after this. I am just about to turn 43, I am ready to die at any time, I don't give a fuck, death doesn't bother me at all. Pain and suffering still does, but death, meh.
Oh yeah, I think steroids should be available of course. Just saying that we don't know about its long term effects--which is a big reason why not everyone is on it.Worse case scenario, die young get buried in a huge box. Best case scenario you live to 110, piss and shit your pants and don't remember your own name. Your call, heads or tails.
post-menopausal HRT for women was all the rage until we found out it greatly increased the incidence of various cancers....TRT might have the same effect on men.
Unfortunately, there really isn't a such thing as a free lunch in nature
Holy fuck dude. My old man is 65 and in better shape than most guys in their 20's and 30's.But is your old man in better shape than he was in his 30's. I think not, and if he is, well you have to ask what the fuck was he doing in his 30's
Side effects of getting old are far worse, better being swole with sides than a fat out of shape depressed cun+. JMO
Hair loss, only if you carry the gene, may accelerate the loss and gyno, can be managed with serms, but a risk you take, surgery always a last resort.
I agree with this part that I'd rather take that risk if the choice was just the risks v. Being a fat out of shape depressed girl, but what if you are generally doing fine. Not fat, in decent shape, decent libido and mood? That's the choice I think most are considering, choosing it for something extra, to feel better and be in better shape, better than the just okay that comes from getting older.Yeah, but face it, dudes want to be jacked. The more other dudes get jacked, the more everyone else wants in on the game. It's fucked up being a man in this day and age, what are you going to do? That's the thing too, as a man, do what you want to do, you want to ride the wave legit healthy until your senile shitting your pants at 110, by all means brah, do you.
Yeah, but face it, dudes want to be jacked.
The majority of most men honestly don't care and don't even think about it. For most men, they want good jobs, money, nice house and cars and a nice wife. They would choose than over being built.Oh well, those poor fellas, can't all be jacked can we. ;D
Oh well, those poor fellas, can't all be jacked can we. ;D
And good to see you know what most men want, good for you brah. And I like the nice wife gag, good one fella.
And why you lifting weight if you don't want to be jacked, just go play golf dude.
The majority of most men honestly don't care and don't even think about it. For most men, they want good jobs, money, nice house and cars and a nice wife. They would choose than over being built.
Long term effects on health are as of yet indeterminate. May promote good health, or it may increase morbidity. It'll be another 10-20 years before we'll know
BTW, 400mg test a week isn't TRT....that's a cycle. 100mg/10 days, or whatever amount gets your test to 800-1200ng/dl is TRT
Oh yeah, I think steroids should be available of course. Just saying that we don't know about its long term effects--which is a big reason why not everyone is on it.
post-menopausal HRT for women was all the rage until we found out it greatly increased the incidence of various cancers....TRT might have the same effect on men.
Unfortunately, there really isn't a such thing as a free lunch in nature
You make it sound as if living to 60 is some kind of great accomplishment or impossible feat.
I never said I don't want to be jacked. ;D
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Yeah... the horse piss based estrogen, NOT the bio identical one.
These who worry about shorter lifespan.. well if you want to live additional ten years of misery - feel free, for me personally - would be better a shorter, but more enjoyable ride.
BINGO> With the prescribed Androgel TRT , I'm no where near 400 mg a week.
Was that you I saw in the gym this morning? Phoenix area, doing chest super sets? Pulled offFixedaway in an olderto Mercedes ?
Yeah... the horse piss based estrogen, NOT the bio identical one.
These who worry about shorter lifespan.. well if you want to live additional ten years of misery - feel free, for me personally - would be better a shorter, but more enjoyable ride.
"bioidentical" hormones is a marketing term, there's no standardized definition for them. They are still synthesized from plant/animal/mineral sources, and there's no clinical research showing any difference in effect--either positive or negative--on the body.A longer life may not necessarily be more enjoyable. Hope this helps.
A shorter life may not necessarily be more enjoyable. Life after a heart attack/stroke is no picnic, and there is at least some preliminary evidence that TRT increases the incidence of both.
Bottom line: we don't know yet, and to make declarative statements one way or another is foolish.
A longer life may not necessarily be more enjoyable. Hope this helps.
That's why I go off for 6 months out of the year ... Just in case they find its not healthyWhat if they find going off for 6 months out of the year isn't healthy, then what will you do?
On 400 test a week,,, I know, it's high, but my point is, I feel damn good:
High energy
High sex drive
Less anxiety
Feel great
Very strong and look fantastic
So why isn't everyone on 2-400 mg test a week? Pretty side effect free and feel like superman!!
I have done cycles with less than that.
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I was kinda joking. Some guy in there kinda look like what I thought the pics of H on here had looked like. Howard's usually posting up a storm in every thread but his not replying now worries me that it might have actually been him and he doesn't want to be recognized. Man if that was him it's almost as good as winning Powerball.Man, I'm always joking. And Howard is harmless, just needs something to take his mind off of his erectile dysfunction.
Man, I'm always joking. And Howard is harmless, just needs something to take his mind off of his erectile dysfunction.
@200mg/wk that's a 160 week supply
That's going to be a 4 month supply
Oh yeah, I think steroids should be available of course. Just saying that we don't know about its long term effects--which is a big reason why not everyone is on it.
post-menopausal HRT for women was all the rage until we found out it greatly increased the incidence of various cancers....TRT might have the same effect on men.
Unfortunately, there really isn't a such thing as a free lunch in nature
16 weeks, so 2g/week? A man's cycle. How are you dosing it, like Piana?
Was that you I saw in the gym this morning? Phoenix area, doing chest super sets? Pulled away in an older Mercedes ?
What if they find going off for 6 months out of the year isn't healthy, then what will you do?Then I'm fucked! At least I feel good!
Won't it shut down your natural production?
If so you will depend on it which is bad.
On 400 test a week,,, I know, it's high, but my point is, I feel damn good:
High energy
High sex drive
Less anxiety
Feel great
Very strong and look fantastic
So why isn't everyone on 2-400 mg test a week? Pretty side effect free and feel like superman!!
just started 100mgs a week. three months in. feeling great. we all gonna croak someday, might as well go out enjoying life.
"bioidentical" hormones is a marketing term, there's no standardized definition for them. They are still synthesized from plant/animal/mineral sources, and there's no clinical research showing any difference in effect--either positive or negative--on the body.
A shorter life may not necessarily be more enjoyable. Life after a heart attack/stroke is no picnic, and there is at least some preliminary evidence that TRT increases the incidence of both.
Bottom line: we don't know yet, and to make declarative statements one way or another is foolish.
Millions of men have been on TRT for close to a decade now. Where is the genocide? Where is the spike in cancers?
Let's face it, testosterone therapy is as close to rejuvenation as we are likely to get.
16 weeks, so 2g/week? A man's cycle. How are you dosing it, like Piana?
How do you feel when you're not on it?
Seems like a pretty high dose to me. I'm on 300 mg a week and I feel damn good, plus I am 71 years old.
Your updated avatar makes me horny. No homo. well done man.
Dont need it yet.
Au contraire.
When I hit 40's, maybe ill consider it. Obviously, I wouldnt do it illegally.
Your updated avatar makes me horny. No homo. well done man.
Lol at malum prohibidum dictating moralistic behavior.
It has nothing to do with me thinking its a moral or immoral behavior, and more to do with the consequences of possibly getting caught.
Tor, western union and multiple email cutouts are your friend.
Yeah, its really not worth it or all that important, especially if you can get the stuff legally.
Yeah, its really not worth it or all that important, especially if you can get the stuff legally.
Bingo! Why take that risk and deal with the possible legal troubles? For what?
I saw a middle aged dude with obvious synthol in his arms at the gym today.
Looked absurd and I can't fathom why he does it.
Bingo! Why take that risk and deal with the possible legal troubles? For what?
I saw a middle aged dude with obvious synthol in his arms at the gym today.
Looked absurd and I can't fathom why he does it.
I see absolutely no point in risking legal troubles, especially if youre not competing.
Yeah, its really not worth it or all that important, especially if you can get the stuff legally.
It's not that easy to get it legally. A lot of narrow minded docs don't like to give it out. Most docs will not prescribe it even if you fall at the bottom end of "normal" levels. Those that do prescribe it will put you on that shitty androgel or those sublingual tablets. It's tougher than you think trying to get injectable testosterone legally.No it's not. Just go online and get it delivered to your door. Never been easier, my 12 year old nephew could work this stuff out.
No it's not. Just go online and get it delivered to your door. Never been easier, my 12 year old nephew could work this stuff out.
I've got a better way that bends a few rules. You have to have some good friends in the medical field to make everything look legit. I basically get as much pharmacy grade Watson brand Cyp as I want, just for personal use of course.All the better, you can get pharma grade gear online, but you have to run the customs gauntlet.
I'll never use dirty bathtub brewed gear made in some 3rd world country or rednecks basement. No offense to the rednecks.
All the better, you can get pharma grade gear online, but you have to run the customs gauntlet.
I don't mess with customs myself anymore. I have a couple guys in the states that get me Karachi Organon Sust. And legit Russian dbol. The Karachi Sust is good stuff, almost as good as my Watson cyp. The Russian dbol is amazing and I'm running low on those, but have enough for a couple more cycles.That's all anyone needs really, unless you want to compete why bother I reckon. Maybe some clen to tidy up for summer or for your new chick. I wish I could run tren, everyone raves about it, but the one time I tried it the sides messed with me too much.
Test and dbol is all I really need anymore.
That's all anyone needs really, unless you want to compete why bother I reckon. Maybe some clen to tidy up for summer or for your new chick. I wish I could run tren, everyone raves about it, but the one time I tried it the sides messed with me too much.
It's not that easy to get it legally. A lot of narrow minded docs don't like to give it out. Most docs will not prescribe it even if you fall at the bottom end of "normal" levels. Those that do prescribe it will put you on that shitty androgel or those sublingual tablets. It's tougher than you think trying to get injectable testosterone legally.
I feel tired off and completely unmotivated , no sex drive
Feels horrible!
I'm 6'5 and 240 pounds so I need at least 300 mg a week to replace natural levels...
Actual HRT is 200-400 mg every 2-4 weeks , but that's for the average 150 pound dude
As for sides: not much. I use arimidex to prevent gyno and topical ketoconazole to protect against hair loss...
Do you find it effective?
Who cares. I would rather be jacked and bald than a twink with good hair.
Griffith cares, hence his question. ::)
Also please take a look at Marty Champions thread regarding Dave Mira and his suicide over balding you insensitive clown.
On 400 test a week,,, I know, it's high, but my point is, I feel damn good:
High energy
High sex drive
Less anxiety
Feel great
Very strong and look fantastic
So why isn't everyone on 2-400 mg test a week? Pretty side effect free and feel like superman!!
200+ per week is not HRT. Actually most men do fine with 100 mg per week.I use a real doctor as well...
That's the real dose for HRT. On the net, HRT = 300 to 1000 mg per week, NOT prescribed by a doctor. Don't forget to jack up levels even further with concomitant HCG.
I've used TRT for fourteen years. First I used gels and for the past two years T cyp at 100 mg per week and now 1000 IU HCG three times per week for fertility, prescribed by a real doc.
I use a real doctor as well...
200+ per week is not HRT. Actually most men do fine with 100 mg per week.If your fertility isn't going up, drop the test and use 2000iu 3x's a week, win.
That's the real dose for HRT. On the net, HRT = 300 to 1000 mg per week, NOT prescribed by a doctor. Don't forget to jack up levels even further with concomitant HCG.
I've used TRT for fourteen years. First I used gels and for the past two years T cyp at 100 mg per week and now 1000 IU HCG three times per week for fertility, prescribed by a real doc.
If your fertility isn't going up, drop the test and use 2000iu 3x's a week, win.
2000 iu of what? Growth? HCG?HCG for fertility.
I use a real doctor as well...
If your fertility isn't going up, drop the test and use 2000iu 3x's a week, win.
I am off and will likely stay off. Feel pretty good, balls are very large... repping 140kg on bench, 180kg squats 200 + deadlifts, 100kg military press 18 plus stones body weight :)ROFL
ah getbig never fails to deliver on fresh positivity!How long you been off Ro? And I noticed you said 'likely', just keeping a reservation in case. Because you know you will be back on the sauce when the grind wears too thin.
I have more peace of mind without it.
ah getbig never fails to deliver on fresh positivity!
I have more peace of mind without it.
Do you think you'll be able to keep that strength and muscle natty or do you just want to let your size go down?
I think this is maintainable, the muscle volume is not the same but thats alright, I was never totally invested in being it.
I think this is maintainable, the muscle volume is not the same but thats alright, I was never totally invested in being it.
I really like you man. If you are able to stay at 250+ lean pounds with those kinds of lifts totally natty, you'll be my hero. Fingers crossed.
Good luck man.
Guys I just turned 39. I've been a getbigger since forever. Natural in the sense I only took whatever was legal. And even then nothing that I ever saw amazing difference. I'm ducking ready to go now. I never got the trophy for training hard and being natural. So fuck this shit. All I have a messed up joints.
I'm taking dhea. But I wanna get on trt. How much dhea should I take to see something? Currently taking 400mg but not too much in terms of big changes.
Even in 10 years, I'd still take the studies that come out with a grain of salt. Hospital doctors are only really starting to get into HRT. And many still wont touch it. Many are still not keeping Test levels steady throughout. If you go on HRT and get your total test levels up to say 800, how far are they dropping before the Dr. gives you another shot? They were shooting once a month. Which was retarded. Are now doing one every two weeks. Which is better but your levels are going to fall off a cliff at the 7 to 9 day mark in most cases with Cyp and Enth. I think the yoyoing of Test levels is where people are going to have problems. But Doctors will never admit to that. Very few are keeping levels the same or close to the same for years at a time. So these studies that will be coming out will not take that into consideration. On Hrt you need a min/ of a shot once a week with Cyp/Enth. Most Doctors aren't prescribing that way. And they certainly weren't 10 years ago when the studies began...And that is most likely the biggest problem...
Fingers crossed.
Needles filled ;D