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Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.
I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.
How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?
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Low level HRT can change the viscosity of blood for the worse. It can also increase red blood cells to dangerous levels. Now imagine the crazy amounts of anabolic steroids that bodybuilders take? It also increases blood pressure that could lead to heart problems and kidney problems.
Heart disease is the number one killer of man. It is the most important muscle in your body. Bodybuilders in general don't care about the heart muscle judging by how many of them gas by just walking on a treadmill. If the heart muscle was outside the chest cavity and had to be showed off at a contest bodybuilders would be running like track guys.
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The sheer number of studies linking anabolic steroid use to heart problems is overwhealming. We see it every day with new strongmen, bodybuilders, wrestlers, etc. dying.
Yes, even low level 200mg a week can cause heart issues in some people using HRT.
Now what does 2,000mg a week do? ???
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Oldtimer needs two accounts to rail on this one.
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Steroids are bad.
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I think it's not the steroids themselves.
Rather it's the increased muscle mass which wants to be supported.
Using steroids you move well beyond the design specs of the human body.
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I never had a heart scare but once I cleaned out I stay as lean as possible. I'd rather be 185-190 even but my limit is about 198. I could probably be 185 if I never juiced or i'd have to stop lifting which isn't going to happen.
These guys are addicted to being huge and cannot handle being smaller, they will never stop unless they die.
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The sheer number of studies linking anabolic steroid use to heart problems is overwhealming. We see it every day with new strongmen, bodybuilders, wrestlers, etc. dying.
Yes, even low level 200mg a week can cause heart issues in some people using HRT.
Now what does 2,000mg a week do? ???
Isn't stress the number one problem with heart issues/attacks? And what kind of stress does the body go through lifting extremely heavy amounts of weight while eating extremely heavy amounts of food on a daily basis?
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HRT started out with doctors giving their clients 100mg to 200mg shots once a month. Talk about a retarded way to take test. Doing it this way spikes your tests levels for about 8 days and then they fall off a cliff for almost 3 weeks. Then back up again. Don't need a study to know that this sort of thing can't be good for you. Even the 2 week shots they use now is semi-retarded when the test their administrating is going to fall off a climb around the 7 to 9 day mark(8)...You're still seesawing your hormones in your body=Probably not good...Are there any HRT studies out there that have been done with middle aged men who kept their test levels around the same through out the study?
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No. Doctors who do testosterone therapy today usually have 3 ways to do it.
1. Under arm gel, patches or such.
2. Weekly Testosterone shots under 200mg usually.
3. A surgical implant that releases testosterone gradually over 1 to 3 months.
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Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.
I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.
How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?
Denial and muscle addiction are a bad combination. Even when you get the warning signs it is hard to give up the muscle--especially if that's all you have in life. You assume/hope it won't happen to you. :'(
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Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.
I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.
How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?
a friend of mine had a double heart attack 2 years ago. He was a heavy juicer, gh, and also viagra, cocaine and alcohol during party.
He's back on juice. Sad. He just can't live without them. He's in total denial.
He told me that steroid aren't the cause, that stress was the cause etc blablabla...
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a friend of mine had a double heart attack 2 years ago. He was a heavy juicer, gh, and also viagra, cocaine and alcohol during party.
He's back on juice. Sad. He just can't live without them.
I am guessing that the coke and the booze played a big part here.
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I am guessing that the coke and the booze played a big part here.
Guy was a regular customer in swinger club. So it was booze coke and viagra all nite long.
For steroid he was blasting all year long, for 10 years. I know a lot of juicer, all family man style, with normal nife, none of them had heart attack.
The "rec", as you call them in the u.s, are very dangerous with aas.
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Guy was a regular customer in swinger club. So it was booze coke and viagra all nite long.
For steroid he was blasting all year long, for 10 years.
The fact that he's still alive is a testament to the anti-aging and healing properties of the sauce. Viva juice!
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The fact that he's still alive is a testament to the anti-aging and healing properties of the sauce. Viva juice!
he's living the dream !
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Low level HRT can change the viscosity of blood for the worse. It can also increase red blood cells to dangerous levels. Now imagine the crazy amounts of anabolic steroids that bodybuilders take? It also increases blood pressure that could lead to heart problems and kidney problems.
Heart disease is the number one killer of man. It is the most important muscle in your body. Bodybuilders in general don't care about the heart muscle judging by how many of them gas by just walking on a treadmill. If the heart muscle was outside the chest cavity and had to be showed off at a contest bodybuilders would be running like track guys.
did you ever use steroids?
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Denial and muscle addiction are a bad combination. Even when you get the warning signs it is hard to give up the muscle--especially if that's all you have in life. You assume/hope it won't happen to you. :'(
Last picture of Anthony always gets to me.....taken 5 minutes before he died. Sucks that he never got on stage but honestly he tempted fate unwisely
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Last picture of Anthony always gets to me.....taken 5 minutes before he died. Sucks that he never got on stage but honestly he tempted fate unwisely
where can this pic be found? How's the new job?
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Forget about your heart... that you're going through a roll of toilet paper a day is your ass' way of letting you know your internal organs are getting worked way too much.
At least that's what happened to me. That and the sudden palpitations.
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No. Doctors who do testosterone therapy today usually have 3 ways to do it.
1. Under arm gel, patches or such.
2. Weekly Testosterone shots under 200mg usually.
3. A surgical implant that releases testosterone gradually over 1 to 3 months.
Yes but hasn't the form and frequency of therapy you stated above only be into a effect for a few years? It wasn't that long ago that Dr. would give old dudes once a month shots.
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I think it's not the steroids themselves.
Rather it's the increased muscle mass which wants to be supported.
Using steroids you move well beyond the design specs of the human body.
It is the increased LDL/decreased HDL that are left unchecked. Most cases simple as that.
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It is the increased LDL/decreased HDL that are left unchecked. Most cases simple as that.
I think the same, if you can get away with a TRT dose that doesn't alter your bloodwork you may be able to sell it to yourself that you are reaping the benefits without the added stress, I can do this with around 100mg dose weekly or every ten days, but i find even this dose effects my resting heart rate by about 4 beats per minute. Just a self observation that may be beneficial to others.
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I think the same, if you can get away with a TRT dose that doesn't alter your bloodwork you may be able to sell it to yourself that you are reaping the benefits without the added stress, I can do this with around 100mg dose weekly or every ten days, but i find even this dose effects my resting heart rate by about 4 beats per minute. Just a self observation that may be beneficial to others.
Take the countermeasures - more cardio for ex. Esp hiit cardio.
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Drug addicts...I've seen them have tumors, gyno surgery etc. and go right back on...
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Low level HRT can change the viscosity of blood for the worse. It can also increase red blood cells to dangerous levels. Now imagine the crazy amounts of anabolic steroids that bodybuilders take? It also increases blood pressure that could lead to heart problems and kidney problems.
Heart disease is the number one killer of man. It is the most important muscle in your body. Bodybuilders in general don't care about the heart muscle judging by how many of them gas by just walking on a treadmill. If the heart muscle was outside the chest cavity and had to be showed off at a contest bodybuilders would be running like track guys.
Lack of TRT when it is needed for hypogonadism also makes one susceptible to heart disease, diabetes, and overweight.
There is no "low level" TRT; there is the correct amount that's needed. Oh wait, TRT on the net is 250 to 1000 mg per week. :)
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Today as I walked in the gym I noticed a guy I know blatantly looks back 'on'. He'd told me about having had a heart attack early last year, and this is the first time I'd noticed him looking like he was juicing again.
I have other friends or people I know who have had heart issues/attacks who end up back in gear. I've always thought if I ever have a problem like that I'll jack the gear in. But I'm amazed how many gym rats don't.
How do you think you guys would act after a heart scare? Anyone here had one and still juice?
T'is all in the genetics, in the genetic code that is. Besides, there are great rewards in hell and heaven for being ungodly big, just like all the rewards guys get for being huge while alive. You know, rewards like statements like, "OMG, that guy's huge." What else? Uh, I can't think of any. :)
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I think anyone who has been in the fitness "culture" more than a decade knows some juicer that had a heart attack.
That's why it always comes up.
Despite the fact that mainstream medicine makes steroids akin to 30's reefer madness, anyone who "gets it" know that hittin' the sauce is no free lunch.
Are some better able to manage it than others? Sure.
But just like some folks can drink or do blow on the weekends, it doesn't have an effect on their physiology.
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T'is all in the genetics, in the genetic code that is. Besides, there are great rewards in hell and heaven for being ungodly big, just like all the rewards guys get for being huge while alive. You know, rewards like statements like, "OMG, that guy's huge." What else? Uh, I can't think of any. :)
Hahaha if I have a heart attack I'll take your post into due consideration!
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I know two guys who started after knowing they already had heart and kidney defects, this is before even starting to use gear, even after lots of wise heads advising otherwise
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Some are willing to die for a certain look.
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I am guessing that the coke and the booze played a big part here.
cocaine, Viagra, and booze? that's not a good combo at all. the test is the least of his problems.
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T'is all in the genetics, in the genetic code that is. Besides, there are great rewards in hell and heaven for being ungodly big, just like all the rewards guys get for being huge while alive. You know, rewards like statements like, "OMG, that guy's huge." What else? Uh, I can't think of any. :)
Mountains of dripping wet pussy come to mind.
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Mountains of dripping wet pussy come to mind.
For some, which could likely be achieved with a good body minus the drugs.
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Steroids are bad.
(http://swh.schoolworkhelper.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/steroid-Abuse-1.jpg?e6ecea)
Anabolic Halo looking good here.
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cocaine, Viagra, and booze? that's not a good combo at all. the test is the least of his problems.
To be honest I know a ridiculous amount of guys who are on all of that constantly. And when I say a ridiculous amount - I mean it, literally. As you say - test is most likely the lowest factor here usualy.. Not a secret that people who are seriously into bodybuilding, pretty often like other drugs too.
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To be honest I know a ridiculous amount of guys who are on all of that constantly. And when I say a ridiculous amount - I mean it, literally. As you say - test is most likely the lowest factor here usualy.. Not a secret that people who are seriously into bodybuilding, pretty often like other drugs too.
yeah. it is amazing how much the human body can take. had a buddy who used to take pain killers and snort coke pretty much every time he went out. he would take 5-6 vicodins and chew them up before we went out and then do it again later on in the night....while doing blow and drinking about literally 20-30 drinks. and this was a normal night out for him.
if I take 2 vicodin and have ONE beer i'm dead to the world.
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The sheer number of studies linking anabolic steroid use to heart problems is overwhealming. We see it every day with new strongmen, bodybuilders, wrestlers, etc. dying.
Yes, even low level 200mg a week can cause heart issues in some people using HRT.
Now what does 2,000mg a week do? ???
200mg a week is not trt. 100mg a week is.
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200mg a week is not trt. 100mg a week is.
Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.
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Nandrolone has been found to cause changes in heart muscle structure and electrical activity. I have some npp in my drawer that I'm tempted to use, but I think for now i'll stick with test.
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200mg a week is not trt. 100mg a week is.
I'm on TRT and use 200mg a week.
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I think anyone who has been in the fitness "culture" more than a decade knows some juicer that had a heart attack.
That's why it always comes up.
Despite the fact that mainstream medicine makes steroids akin to 30's reefer madness, anyone who "gets it" know that hittin' the sauce is no free lunch.
Are some better able to manage it than others? Sure.
But just like some folks can drink or do blow on the weekends, it doesn't have an effect on their physiology.
I don't know a single person personally that juices and had a heart attack and I'm in my mid fifties. I know several personally that don't juice that have had a heart attack (both parents, four aunts, one uncle and two of my brothers). Other than my brothers, the rest died of that heart attack.
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To be honest I know a ridiculous amount of guys who are on all of that constantly. And when I say a ridiculous amount - I mean it, literally. As you say - test is most likely the lowest factor here usualy.. Not a secret that people who are seriously into bodybuilding, pretty often like other drugs too.
Viagra was originally created to treat high blood pressure. It's a vasodilator opening up the blood vessels allowing for better blood flow.
Many athletes take it before training and before an event for that purpose. I've use it preworkout and the pumps are much better.
Now if you are already on BP medication there is a risk that your BP can get too low. Say you take viagra and you're already on BP medication and then go to sleep. But usually people take Viagra prior to physical activity but even if you don't do anything it's still very unlikely you'll experience an issue. Having enlarged blood vessels is a good thing and it's unlikely that it will get so large from 50mg of Viagra that your heart can't pump enough blood fast enough.
Alcohol and oral steroids are a bad combo because of the stress on the liver.
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Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.
200mg/week puts me above normal (1,100-1,200) but my the rest of my blood work is fine with my cholesterol always testing on the low side. Total cholesterol is 89, HDL is 41, LDL is 51, Non-HDL is 58.
Actually, now that I look at my blood test taken last Nov my Total Test is at 1,283 and Free Test is at 475.3. My doctor did bring this up earlier and probably 150mg/wk would be ideal but the hassle of trying to pull .75 of a cc and the way the insurance works I just wanted to stick to an even 1cc so a vial last 10 weeks.
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200mg/week puts me above normal (1,100-1,200) but my the rest of my blood work is fine with my cholesterol always testing on the low side. Total cholesterol is 89, HDL is 41, LDL is 51, Non-HDL is 58.
Actually, now that I look at my blood test taken last Nov my Total Test is at 1,283 and Free Test is at 475.3. My doctor did bring this up earlier and probably 150mg/wk would be ideal but the hassle of trying to pull .75 of a cc and the way the insurance works I just wanted to stick to an even 1cc so a vial last 10 weeks.
Why not just inject a smaller amount and stockpile the remaining test for a rainy day?
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Nandrolone has been found to cause changes in heart muscle structure and electrical activity. I have some npp in my drawer that I'm tempted to use, but I think for now i'll stick with test.
Long term use of steroids does have health consequences for the heart. Which increases as you get older.
But life is always a matter of trade offs. Should your life just revolved around security and safety? Seems like there are some risks to everything we do. I mean, even weight training takes it's toll. My brother, and we were born in the same year and the closest thing I have to a clone has zero joint problems. I'm a mess (knees, elbows, shoulders, neck, back) always in some kind of pain. He has blood pressure issues and I do not and I've been on TRT since 1999 and mess with steroids off and on throughout my twenties. So you are talking decades of some kind of use.
My quality of life is vastly improve because I take 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of EQ. I am able to do things physically that my brother can't do. But I know I am eventually going to die of a heart attack as everyone in my family does. But right now I'm the only one that doesn't have heart and BP issues and all but one of my brothers are younger than me (three younger, one older) so I'm ahead of the game despite my steroid use though I do have an enlarged heart and a thickening of the left ventricle.
So I'm making that trade off of quality of life now and maybe losing some years off my life.
http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrotest.html
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Why not just inject a smaller amount and stockpile the remaining test for a rainy day?
I have a two vials of ugl Test for that "rainy" day. It's not like Test is hard to get.
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Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.
I get prescribed 220mgs/week. Deal with it haters.
PS love you AJ.
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Some are willing to die for a certain look.
I just think more this, some people just don't value life as much as others.
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I just think more this, some people just don't value life as much as others.
Like me they likely value life, just not existence for the sake of existence. Life is not an endurance race, with the oldest one being the happiest. Do things that make you happy while you can still do them. Nothing more pathetic than someone slaving away at a career for 4 decades, only to die of a heart attack at 67. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.
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I get prescribed 220mgs/week. Deal with it haters.
PS love you AJ.
I really need to do some Doctor shopping.
Love you to bro.
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Pellius is on prescribed 200mg/week and Prime is on 300mg/week. It all depends on your sensitivity to the injections, I guess. At 250/week, my total test was ">1500", which is probably more than TRT would like.
In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.
I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.
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great post freak. My dad is 71, juiced for 30 years straight. His organs are in perfect shape, his mind is going from dementia.
You have my sympathy. That's actually my worst fear, dementia. Stay strong.
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In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.
I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.
That is HRT or TRT. The body doesn't produce 200mg a week. That's just for these guys that want to say they are on HRT but not admit they are juicing anymore.
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my script is 300x10days cyp
but I pin 200x7days and my test lvl is 1500+
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great post freak. My dad is 71, juiced for 30 years straight. His organs are in perfect shape, his mind is going from dementia.
Damn, badass dad, it sucks big time he has that issue when body is still intact.
Do you know what was his usual choice of substances?
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yeah. it is amazing how much the human body can take. had a buddy who used to take pain killers and snort coke pretty much every time he went out. he would take 5-6 vicodins and chew them up before we went out and then do it again later on in the night....while doing blow and drinking about literally 20-30 drinks. and this was a normal night out for him.
if I take 2 vicodin and have ONE beer i'm dead to the world.
Yes. My one friend is out of his mind too. Can roll lots of molly over night, booze, coke... it's insane, I have no idea how his body is still going. He's young, barely over 30, but these amounts and mixes are something that makes you wonder what kind of genetics some ppl carry to not drop dead.
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Long term use of steroids does have health consequences for the heart. Which increases as you get older.
But life is always a matter of trade offs. Should your life just revolved around security and safety? Seems like there are some risks to everything we do. I mean, even weight training takes it's toll. My brother, and we were born in the same year and the closest thing I have to a clone has zero joint problems. I'm a mess (knees, elbows, shoulders, neck, back) always in some kind of pain. He has blood pressure issues and I do not and I've been on TRT since 1999 and mess with steroids off and on throughout my twenties. So you are talking decades of some kind of use.
My quality of life is vastly improve because I take 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of EQ. I am able to do things physically that my brother can't do. But I know I am eventually going to die of a heart attack as everyone in my family does. But right now I'm the only one that doesn't have heart and BP issues and all but one of my brothers are younger than me (three younger, one older) so I'm ahead of the game despite my steroid use though I do have an enlarged heart and a thickening of the left ventricle.
So I'm making that trade off of quality of life now and maybe losing some years off my life.
http://www.ergo-log.com/nandrotest.html
Good post. I'm sure you feel (and look) a lot better than most guys your age, and even if it does chip some years off your lifespan.. hell, what's so fun to sit on your butt all day at a really old age anyway? For someone that has been active and on the roll most of the time - it's a nightmare.
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In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.
I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.
In Europe pharma test is not hard to get. Greek norma, galenika in serbia etc. Can also go UK so it's so easily available (and 100% legal to possess but not to sell)
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In my country TRT prescription is one ampoul of testoviron depot 250 (Has 180mg of free test without the ester weight) every 2-4 weeks. In cases where the patient still has some testicular function, and by blood tests, the intervals between shots can go to every 6 weeks. The maximum dose is one ampoul every two weeks, mostly in cases of teenagers that don't start puberty.
Next to my country, in Spain, testex elmu prolongatum 250 is prescribed, for TRT issues, every 2-3 weeks.
I have done cycles of 250mg testex a week, and started getting gyno flares after week five, that's why i am firmly convinced that 200mg a week is too much.
250mgs of test gave you gyno? Son...you might be a woman.
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Damn, badass dad, it sucks big time he has that issue when body is still intact.
Do you know what was his usual choice of substances?
Test, lots and lots of test.
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Test, lots and lots of test.
Good choice!
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Take the countermeasures - more cardio for ex. Esp hiit cardio.
I do cardio 6 days a week now for 30 minutes at a time.
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i think if you're on the gas (and specifically blasting and crusing) you should have a "I'm gonna eventually ween myself" time frame in mind
I don't care if you get your blood work done every three months or whatever
in my mind, there should be a end date........then after said end date you maybe can do TRT under a dr's supervision
now- if you're planning on being a IFBB pro then there is a different story
In time you grow up and being the biggest, most shredded guy starts to mean less and less
That's what happened to me.....now, I"m slowly learning to accept loving who I am no matter what my midsection looks like...it's a battle sometimes though
TL/DR----try and come off of gear...don't plan on shooting up all your life
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If he juiced for 30 years straight, he was demented a long time ago..
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fuck you asshole, way uncalled for you bitter piece of shit. Go troll somewhere else
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It's all diet. Keep your sugar content low no matter what type of diet and eat whole foods you will stay healthy.
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i think if you're on the gas (and specifically blasting and crusing) you should have a "I'm gonna eventually ween myself" time frame in mind
I don't care if you get your blood work done every three months or whatever
in my mind, there should be a end date........then after said end date you maybe can do TRT under a dr's supervision
now- if you're planning on being a IFBB pro then there is a different story
In time you grow up and being the biggest, most shredded guy starts to mean less and less
That's what happened to me.....now, I"m slowly learning to accept loving who I am no matter what my midsection looks like...it's a battle sometimes though
TL/DR----try and come off of gear...don't plan on shooting up all your life
I have a few friends, both approaching 60's, have been using for like 30 years, small doses, consistently, both strong and healthy as horses, can't see them comming off anytime soon, why would they afterall, the quality of life outweights any possible future risk for them by a lot. It's not like many males live over age 70 anyway, and they almost made it to that age at a peak physical performance, win.
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fuck you asshole, way uncalled for you bitter piece of shit. Go troll somewhere else
Come on, give the guy some credit. I thought it was pretty funny.