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What do you euro getbiggers think the out come will be? Are they fast tracking it to make sure it comes out positive for the EU?
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What do you euro getbiggers think the out come will be? Are they fast tracking it to make sure it comes out positive for the EU?
Since London controls the US and Europe this is just show.
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Too much muslims in the UK, so we don't want them
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Since London controls the US and Europe this is just show.
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London is the world’s top location for the super-rich, read: elite.
Those that control almost all worldly affairs especially politics.
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"It doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes that matters" -- Stalin
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I hope that they will leave EU and EU will die.
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"usually, a bitch is a bitch is a bitch" - Vernon Schillinger
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"usually, a bitch is a bitch is a bitch" - Vernon Schillinger
This.
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What do you euro getbiggers think the out come will be? Are they fast tracking it to make sure it comes out positive for the EU?
they will frighten the populice in to staying in
it will be close
but the element of uncertainty will win the day
i will be voting to leave so we can close the borders
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Merkel actions last November have killed the eu
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for the uk to exit the eu it needs to secure a suitable free trade agreement with the remaining eu block of nations. to do that the uk will still have to contribute financially to the eu and follow the majority of it's regulations.
so unless/until the uk gets itself into a position where it's not economically dependent on trading freely within europe, leaving the eu would be a pointless exercise.
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They still cant even tell you the facts of staying in vs coming out, I doubt we'd leave big business doesn't want it to happen
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London is the world’s top location for the super-rich, read: elite.
Those that control almost all worldly affairs especially politics.
Joon....you're exposing your gimmick
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It's a failed concept: a monetary alliance without a political one. This was the criticism at the start and hasn't changed. Now, it's reached the point where everyone knows their in a bad relationship but they don't know how to get out of it.
At least the Brits were smart enough not to give up their currency.
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Bytch move. You have to accept good with a bad.
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The EU's lax immigration is hurting Europe badly. Would be interesting if UK leaves. Someone should fight to preserve culture, identity, and mass migration in from the middle east
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The EU's lax immigration is hurting Europe badly. Would be interesting if UK leaves. Someone should fight to preserve culture, identity, and mass migration in from the middle east
While certainly true, the concept of the United States of Europe just doesn't work because of the history and culture. A German thinks of himself as German first and then European. In the U.S, it's the opposite. We think of ourselves as Americans, first, and whatever state we come from, second.
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for the uk to exit the eu it needs to secure a suitable free trade agreement with the remaining eu block of nations. to do that the uk will still have to contribute financially to the eu and follow the majority of it's regulations.
so unless/until the uk gets itself into a position where it's not economically dependent on trading freely within europe, leaving the eu would be a pointless exercise.
Garbage. The UK runs an £8 billion plus trade deficit with the EU.
The farmers of France and car manufacturers of Germany would cripple their countries with strikes if their governments caused problems with trade agreements.
The UK is far better being out of the EU. The EU is failed entity and needs to be put out of its misery.
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Option 1: We can rule our selves.
Option 2: We are not able to rule our selves, so we want some bureaucrats and technocrats in Brussels to rule over us instead.
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Garbage. The UK runs an £8 billion plus trade deficit with the EU.
The farmers of France and car manufacturers of Germany would cripple their countries with strikes if their governments caused problems with trade agreements.
The UK is far better being out of the EU. The EU is failed entity and needs to be put out of its misery.
so what if the uk runs an £8 billion deficit with the eu ? the eu is our biggest trading partner both in terms of imports and exports.
we also run a +20 billion deficit with china.....you think they are economically more dependent on us than we are them?
in reality it will make little difference whether we stay in or exit, as as i said previously any exit will involve us signing an agreement to adhere to the majority of current eu regulation anyway. if you don't realise that then you really have no clue.
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so what if the uk runs an £8 billion deficit with the eu ? the eu is our biggest trading partner both in terms of imports and exports.
we also run a +20 billion deficit with china.....you think they are economically more dependent on us than we are them?
in reality it will make little difference whether we stay in or exit, as as i said previously any exit will involve us signing an agreement to adhere to the majority of current eu regulation anyway. if you don't realise that then you really have no clue.
The UK would no longer be subject to EU diktat and regains her sovereignty. That is what will happen. And hopefully over time the EU laws that don't suit the UK mentality will fade away.
I own business that's in the UK and two other EU countries, the differences are so great that I now firmly believe that the UK needs to regain as much independence as possible.
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The UK would no longer be subject to EU diktat and regains her sovereignty. That is what will happen. And hopefully over time the EU laws that don't suit the UK mentality will fade away.
I own business that's in the UK and two other EU countries, the differences are so great that I now firmly believe that the UK needs to regain as much independence as possible.
look at this way, 50% of our exports go to the eu whilst 5% of eu exports come to the uk. we may be one of the strongest members within the eu but we lose a lot of our bargaining power outside. any losses will be far more diluted to them than it will us.
do you think it is important that if we leave the eu that we still have access to the european single market?
because to continue with that access we will need to adhere to the majority of eu regulation anyway.
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What do you euro getbiggers think the out come will be? Are they fast tracking it to make sure it comes out positive for the EU?
I would not trust elections - it could be rigged with fraud by governments.
I think it is safe to say most Europeans by now know they are being replaced and do not want it. Yet still the propaganda machine keeps turning. Look at this piece of propaganda here:
PROPAGANDA -------> Most Europeans Support Merkel’s Plan To Distribute Refugees Among EU <------- PROPAGANDA
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/02/19/3751456/merkel-refugees-europe/ (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/02/19/3751456/merkel-refugees-europe/)
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I would not trust elections - it could be rigged with fraud by governments.
I think it is safe to say most Europeans by now know they are being replaced and do not want it. Yet still the propaganda machine keeps turning. Look at this piece of propaganda here:
PROPAGANDA -------> Most Europeans Support Merkel’s Plan To Distribute Refugees Among EU <------- PROPAGANDA
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/02/19/3751456/merkel-refugees-europe/ (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/02/19/3751456/merkel-refugees-europe/)
PROPAGANDA -------> dailymail.co.uk <------- PROPAGANDA
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:'(
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SHOULD BE IMPALED -------> OB1 <------- SHOULD BE IMPALED
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Why?
Because I point out the reliability or better: the non-existent reliability of your sources?
Anyway...
Provide reliable sources or even better: stop the propaganda altogether.
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I believe Brits will vote for leaving, but w/e they vote, UK will stay in EU because Angie has her strap-on deep into Cameron's ass.
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I believe Brits will vote for leaving, but w/e they vote, UK will stay in EU because Angie has her strap-on deep into Cameron's ass.
Pretty accurate observation.
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The emotion of the debate will probably be mainly about the UK sovereignty so expect to hear a lot about the 9000 USA military men and women stationed in the UK and of the three USAF bases
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The emotion of the debate will probably be mainly about the UK sovereignty so expect to hear a lot about the 9000 USA military men and women stationed in the UK and of the three USAF bases
Never heard it mentioned ever, don't think I ever will again.....
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I believe Brits will vote for leaving, but w/e they vote, UK will stay in EU because Angie has her strap-on deep into Cameron's ass.
hear hear.
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i don't know why merkel gets such bad press, she's one of the only european leaders that actually has any integrity. all the rest are just populist c@nts.
her proposal to take a large number of refugees from syria is morally correct. for one(and most importantly), europe is greatly responsible for the current mess in syria/middle east. so it is only right that we should do our bit to help alleviate the humanitarian situation.
the surrounding relatively poor countries in the region like jordan and lebanon already have millions of refugees between them.
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i don't know why merkel gets such bad press, she's one of the only european leaders that actually has any integrity. all the rest are just populist c@nts.
her proposal to take a large number of refugees from syria is morally correct. for one(and most importantly), europe is greatly responsible for the current mess in syria/middle east. so it is only right that we should do our bit to help alleviate the humanitarian situation.
the surrounding relatively poor countries in the region like jordan and lebanon already have millions of refugees between them.
Respectfully, there is no moral obligation to take in millions of people from the middle east, most who don't want to assimilate. They need to change their countries from within.
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Respectfully, there is no moral obligation to take in millions of people from the middle east, most who don't want to assimilate. They need to change their countries from within.
no moral obligation when you're greatly responsible for causing the mess in the 1st place?
and why won't syrians assimilate? they're culturally not too different from turks or even greeks, immigrants of which have both done very well in the uk. syria like iraq was quite a secular country before we helped let the extremist lunatics in.
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i don't know why merkel gets such bad press, she's one of the only european leaders that actually has any integrity. all the rest are just populist c@nts.
her proposal to take a large number of refugees from syria is morally correct. for one(and most importantly), europe is greatly responsible for the current mess in syria/middle east. so it is only right that we should do our bit to help alleviate the humanitarian situation.
the surrounding relatively poor countries in the region like jordan and lebanon already have millions of refugees between them.
Haha. Responsible. I would say the blame can be laid on the nation that started these recent wars:
Gulf War I
Gulf War II (WMD)
Afghanistan
Therefore, by your reasoning, the US should take them all in.
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Haha. Responsible. I would say the blame can be laid on the nation that started these recent wars:
Gulf War I
Gulf War II (WMD)
Afghanistan
Therefore, by your reasoning, the US should take them all in.
western involvement in the first gulf war was justified imo(and never really caused any refugees anyway), as for the rest, whilst being the instigator the US didn't act alone.
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So, by you're reasoning, the US, being the main party responsible, should take the lion's share of refugees then? After all, they may not have acted alone, but they were responsible, and being responsible means they should take them in, no?
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So, by you're reasoning, the US, being the main party responsible, should take the lion's share of refugees then? After all, they may not have acted alone, but they were responsible, and being responsible means they should take them in, no?
of course yes, if we're talking about what's morally correct.
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So, by you're reasoning, the US, being the main party responsible, should take the lion's share of refugees then? After all, they may not have acted alone, but they were responsible, and being responsible means they should take them in, no?
I'm sorry, sir. That's not our policy.
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Britain to far gone already for opting out to give them any real benefit the immigrant population will eventually breed them into minority status. Glad i left the shite hole, lazy native population sew the seeds of today by opting for welfare over work a generation or so ago, pushing politicians to the easy decision of bringing in cheaper immigrant labour, basket case thats been copied all over the world only thing is today its even worse, most refugees these days are just looking to live as welfare supported immigrants not embrace the country they arrive in for opportunity, like Europe needs more people with their unemployment numbers and financial position. Worlds gone mad most politicians more concerned with if Steve can marry Larry than the real issues confronting the population. Outside of Putin there aren't any politicians anymore just populists.
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no moral obligation when you're greatly responsible for causing the mess in the 1st place?
and why won't syrians assimilate? they're culturally not too different from turks or even greeks, immigrants of which have both done very well in the uk. syria like iraq was quite a secular country before we helped let the extremist lunatics in.
Then the same could be said about Americans, that they should accept even more millions of refugees because of the illegal war in Iraq and then Obama pulling out troops which allowed ISIS to take over.
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Theres a difference between accepting genuine refugees (however pressure should be put on Saudi Arabia to do its part) and allowing your country to be colonized by a Hijrah.
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no moral obligation when you're greatly responsible for causing the mess in the 1st place?
and why won't syrians assimilate? they're culturally not too different from turks or even greeks, immigrants of which have both done very well in the uk. syria like iraq was quite a secular country before we helped let the extremist lunatics in.
you arent morally obliged to take people in to your country that hate your way of life
want to change to draconian sharia law
and would kill you in a heartbeat
but are still happy to live off your benefits
fuck them
if we bring anyone in it should be orphaned children who can be raised and integrated in to our values
there are enough of them to save without taking in the jihaddy waddy boys
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The referendum is a sham. The UK's membership in the EU is not in question. This was just a way for Cameron to solve the problems within his party, so his glassy-eyed, Euro-hating backbenchers wouldn't rebel like they did with Major in 92.
Cameron chose to elevate a party management problem into a national issue. Politics uber alles.
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you arent morally obliged to take people in to your country that hate your way of life
want to change to draconian sharia law
and would kill you in a heartbeat
but are still happy to live off your benefits
fuck them
if we bring anyone in it should be orphaned children who can be raised and integrated in to our values
there are enough of them to save without taking in the jihaddy waddy boys
Exactly!
Look at countries in Asia, they have policies to protect their culture and do not hide this fact.
Actually, most of the world does except for the wealthier Western countries.
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Since London controls the US and Europe this is just show.
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Watch this:
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Watch this:
LOL.
Sure.
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you arent morally obliged to take people in to your country that hate your way of life
want to change to draconian sharia law
and would kill you in a heartbeat
but are still happy to live off your benefits
fuck them
if we bring anyone in it should be orphaned children who can be raised and integrated in to our values
there are enough of them to save without taking in the jihaddy waddy boys
you are morally obliged to take refugees when you are greatly responsible for causing the refugees.
you're falling for the BS right wing propaganda. the vast majority of syrian civilians do not support sharia law. syria was a secular state before we helped jihadis grab large swathes of the country.
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The referendum is a sham. The UK's membership in the EU is not in question. This was just a way for Cameron to solve the problems within his party, so his glassy-eyed, Euro-hating backbenchers wouldn't rebel like they did with Major in 92.
Cameron chose to elevate a party management problem into a national issue. Politics uber alles.
that is partly correct. it is a way for cameron to put the tory eurosceptics to bed for good. but when ukip got more votes than any mainstream party in the last euro election, that pretty much did make it a national issue and legitimised a referendum.
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you are morally obliged to take refugees when you are greatly responsible for causing the refugees.
you're falling for the BS right wing propaganda. the vast majority of syrian civilians do not support sharia law. syria was a secular state before we helped jihadis grab large swathes of the country.
no i am not
i agree most are moderate but the harsh reality is the muslim and western cultures dont integrate well
different values and principles completely different cultures
even the moderate muslims live n their own communities and stay apart
and there is enough of the lunatics to reduce the safety of our children
so unfortunately fuck all of them
we gave a duty to protect our own population and any risk to that is unacceptable
you are falling for the moderate bleeding liberals who are just as bad as the far right
form your own opinion on the facts not some liberal nonsense that sounds good at dinners parties as you eat your tofu
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no i am not
i agree most are moderate but the harsh reality is the muslim and western cultures dont integrate well
different values and principles completely different cultures
even the moderate muslims live n their own communities and stay apart
and there is enough of the lunatics to reduce the safety of our children
so unfortunately fuck all of them
we gave a duty to protect our own population and any risk to that is unacceptable
you are falling for the moderate bleeding liberals who are just as bad as the far right
form your own opinion on the facts not some liberal nonsense that sounds good at dinners parties as you eat your tofu
i'm neither a liberal nor a conservative or anything else. i form my opinions on the merits of each issue.
do you accept that the US and co (uk included) are greatly responsible for the mess in syria?
if your answer is yes, then it's beyond ridiculous to say we have no responsibility to take a significant number of the refugees.
who says moderate muslims don't integrate well? what problems has the UK really had with moderate muslim immigrants in the past?
turkish immigrants (another secular muslim country) have done well in the uk.
people stay in their own communities across plenty of lines . the irish , jews, greeks, turks, indians all tend to live within their own communities. even across class groups, working/middle/upper classes .....tend to be pretty tribal.
your problem is you probably have little grasp of "the facts" that's why your opinions are half baked and have no substance.
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Yeah, Syria was a real heaven on earth before all this:
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your problem is you probably have little grasp of "the facts" that's why your opinions are half baked and have no substance
this sentence sums the bleeding heart liberals up
telling others what their opinions are
so that they can spew their nonsense
learn the facts my friend all of them and form your own opinion
rather than tell me i probably dont know them
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And what was the Ideology that turned Syria into such an Economic powerhouse?
Maybe Bernie Sanders should let them all crash at his crib:
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/53B2ED65-E38D-4CC9-AAEC-C29F87FB0EAB_zpsbvepjxuu.png) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/53B2ED65-E38D-4CC9-AAEC-C29F87FB0EAB_zpsbvepjxuu.png.html)
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your problem is you probably have little grasp of "the facts" that's why your opinions are half baked and have no substance
this sentence sums the bleeding heart liberals up
telling others what their opinions are
so that they can spew their nonsense
learn the facts my friend all of them and form your own opinion
rather than tell me i probably dont know them
sure thing buddy.
you should probably stick to to arguing whether joon is a real g or not or whether or not donny wears women's underwear.
that kind of stuff seems to be more your forte. :D
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you are morally obliged to take refugees when you are greatly responsible for causing the refugees.
you're falling for the BS right wing propaganda. the vast majority of syrian civilians do not support sharia law. syria was a secular state before we helped jihadis grab large swathes of the country.
Most of the illegal immigrants are not Syrians, they're from any Middle Eastern country and arriving without security checks or documents and allowed to stay.
These are double-standards since people from other countries with qualifications and documents will be deported if they do not follow the set procedures.
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And what was the Ideology that turned Syria into such an Economic powerhouse?
Maybe Bernie Sanders should let them all crash at his crib:
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/53B2ED65-E38D-4CC9-AAEC-C29F87FB0EAB_zpsbvepjxuu.png) (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/thinlizzy21/media/53B2ED65-E38D-4CC9-AAEC-C29F87FB0EAB_zpsbvepjxuu.png.html)
who said they were an "economic powerhouse"?
here's a bit more for you from wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Syria
"The process of secularization in Syria began under the French mandate in the 1920s and went on continuously under different governments since the independence. Syria has been governed by the Arab nationalist Baath Party since 1963. The Baath regime combined Arab Socialism with secular ideology and an authoritarian political system. The constitution guarantees religious freedom for every recognized religious communities, including many Christian denominations"
Assad was actually seen as a progressive and opposed by many in his own government for trying to reform syria more towards being a free market economy.
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Most of the illegal immigrants are not Syrians, they're from any Middle Eastern country and arriving without security checks or documents and allowed to stay.
These are double-standards since people from other countries with qualifications and documents will be deported if they do not follow the set procedures.
agreed, probably a good number of north africans in there too trying to pass themselves off as syrians.
it's simple though really, if we didn't stir up trouble and bomb the shit out of this region, there likely wouldn't be such a severe refugee crisis for anyone to hijack.
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agreed, probably a good number of north africans in there too trying to pass themselves off as syrians.
it's simple though really, if we didn't stir up trouble and bomb the shit out of this region, there likely wouldn't be such a severe refugee crisis for anyone to hijack.
I agree that the governments of America and much of Europe should have left the region alone and I have always said this, but for the entire future of Europe to be compromised because of a cabal of idiotic politicians is also not right.
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IIRC, the EU doesn't allow anybody to leave. You can have all the referendums you want, but you put your collective national balls in a jar when you signed Maastricht. Sorry.
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I agree that the governments of America and much of Europe should have left the region alone and I have always said this, but for the entire future of Europe to be compromised because of a cabal of idiotic politicians is also not right.
I happen to agree with this, as well.
But, let's not forget that the "stirring up" was the taking out of a brutal dictator.
It's fair to ask why is it that the best case scenario for the Middle East is the countries being run by a collection of thugs that keep a lid on sectarian fighting?
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London mayor Boris Johnson to campaign for an exit. Does this help or hurt the cause, the mayor of Londonistan throwing his weight behind it?
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I happen to agree with this, as well.
But, let's not forget that the "stirring up" was the taking out of a brutal dictator.
It's fair to ask why is it that the best case scenario for the Middle East is the countries being run by a collection of thugs that keep a lid on sectarian fighting?
We were best friends with these brutal dictators only 5mins ago, we cease to be friendly when it no longer suits our interests.
You need dictatorships or brutal military regimes to keep the peace as has been seen over and over, yet we still wont back Assad as we manoeuvre/play games with russia
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The Western nations should have all backed Assad and the Kurds the moment the problems in Syria started. The Jihadists would have been long defeated by now. Instead, the US and UK have their own agenda, often arm the radical Islamists (while claiming to fight "terror") and make matters worse in the region. That's why Putin is the only leader that has my respect. He understands who the real threat's are and doesn't indulge in crafty games.
Are the West responsible for the mess in Syria? Partly yes, although the stem of the problem is the brainwashed, sectarian population within the Middle East.
Should the European nations take in refugees? I'd say yes to the women and children (especially those of Christian and Yazidi backgrounds) but most certainly not to the single young Sunni men.
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It's fair to ask why is it that the best case scenario for the Middle East is the countries being run by a collection of thugs that keep a lid on sectarian fighting?
Because of the nature of these societies. They have no conception of fidelity, which is central to our way of living. That's why democracy does not work in places like Iraq and one of the reasons dictatorships are a tolerable solution. In the Middle East, the idea that you will vote for someone to represent you is totally absurd, especially when that someone was not born in exactly the same geographical location (see: village) as you. There is no good faith in an elected representative, or indeed, anyone your family does not know personally. Their affairs are handled on a village-by-village basis, by a small band of elderly men, who act as administrators, lawyers, judges, representatives, businessmen, depending on the occasion. To us, this luck of trust is paranoid, to them, our concept of good faith is naive.
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Because of the nature of these societies. They have no conception of fidelity, which is central to our way of living. That's why democracy does not work in places like Iraq and one of the reasons dictatorships are a tolerable solution. In the Middle East, the idea that you will vote for someone to represent you is totally absurd, especially when that someone was not born in exactly the same geographical location (see: village) as you. There is no good faith in an elected representative, or indeed, anyone your family does not know personally. Their affairs are handled on a village-by-village basis, by a small band of elderly men, who act as administrators, lawyers, judges, representatives, businessmen, depending on the occasion. To us, this luck of trust is paranoid, to them, our concept of good faith is naive.
Great post.
It reminded me of an interview I heard with a reporter who had a lot spent of time in Syria. He said everyone remotely involved with Assad's regime was either his brother, cousin, or brother-in-law.
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Merkel actions last November have killed the eu
And yet....
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i'm neither a liberal nor a conservative or anything else. i form my opinions on the merits of each issue.
do you accept that the US and co (uk included) are greatly responsible for the mess in syria?
if your answer is yes, then it's beyond ridiculous to say we have no responsibility to take a significant number of the refugees.
who says moderate muslims don't integrate well? what problems has the UK really had with moderate muslim immigrants in the past?
turkish immigrants (another secular muslim country) have done well in the uk.
people stay in their own communities across plenty of lines . the irish , jews, greeks, turks, indians all tend to live within their own communities. even across class groups, working/middle/upper classes .....tend to be pretty tribal.
your problem is you probably have little grasp of "the facts" that's why your opinions are half baked and have no substance.
Muslim countries have been fighting each other over religion for centuries...1000yrs+ actually. No, the US and UK are not PRIMARILY responsible for their continued wars. They need to change their countries from within. US and UK can support as a coalition of countries to promote peace...perhaps safe havens. Relocating millions of muslims to UK, US and Western Europe that don't want to assimilate and have very different laws and culture is not best for anyone. We are also responsible for our people first.
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i'm neither a liberal nor a conservative or anything else. i form my opinions on the merits of each issue.
do you accept that the US and co (uk included) are greatly responsible for the mess in syria?
if your answer is yes, then it's beyond ridiculous to say we have no responsibility to take a significant number of the refugees.
who says moderate muslims don't integrate well? what problems has the UK really had with moderate muslim immigrants in the past?
turkish immigrants (another secular muslim country) have done well in the uk.
people stay in their own communities across plenty of lines . the irish , jews, greeks, turks, indians all tend to live within their own communities. even across class groups, working/middle/upper classes .....tend to be pretty tribal.
your problem is you probably have little grasp of "the facts" that's why your opinions are half baked and have no substance.
On some level you have to envy people who can go thru life with their heads up their asses like this guy ^^
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Cocker outing himself as a power bottom in this thread.
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Britain to far gone already for opting out to give them any real benefit the immigrant population will eventually breed them into minority status. Glad i left the shite hole, lazy native population sew the seeds of today by opting for welfare over work a generation or so ago, pushing politicians to the easy decision of bringing in cheaper immigrant labour, basket case thats been copied all over the world only thing is today its even worse, most refugees these days are just looking to live as welfare supported immigrants not embrace the country they arrive in for opportunity, like Europe needs more people with their unemployment numbers and financial position. Worlds gone mad most politicians more concerned with if Steve can marry Larry than the real issues confronting the population. Outside of Putin there aren't any politicians anymore just populists.
Is always makes me wonder how many Putin lovers have themselves lived in Russia. Most Russians i know are glad to be away. After all, there are no Human rights violations and Corruption in Russia is there?
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Since London Germany controls the US and Europe this is just show.
Fixed.
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A lot of big companies and bank-white collar criminals are now working on ways / campaigns of how to scare the British people. That's how the EU maffia always works. Lies and fear spreading. And only driven by their own greed.
EU = only good for non tax paying multinationals and the large group of EU bureaucrats.
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Fixed.
LOL.
Since when?
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Muslim countries have been fighting each other over religion for centuries...1000yrs+ actually. No, the US and UK are not PRIMARILY responsible for their continued wars. They need to change their countries from within. US and UK can support as a coalition of countries to promote peace...perhaps safe havens. Relocating millions of muslims to UK, US and Western Europe that don't want to assimilate and have very different laws and culture is not best for anyone. We are also responsible for our people first.
people in general have being finding reasons to fight each other for thousands of years not just muslims. europeans are responsible for starting the war with the highest death toll in history. so what?
none of that changes the fact that our deposition of the iraqi regime and backing of moderates jihadis to fight the syrian regime, is greatly responsible for isis getting a stranglehold there and the general mess those countries are in.
here's a thought, if you don't want to take any responsibility for middle eastern refugees, stop creating them with unprovoked wars and stirring up sht.
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people in general have being finding reasons to fight each other for thousands of years not just muslims. europeans are responsible for starting the war with the highest death toll in history. so what?
none of that changes the fact that our deposition of the iraqi regime and backing of moderates jihadis to fight the syrian regime, is greatly responsible for isis getting a stranglehold there and the general mess those countries are in.
here's a thought, if you don't want to take any responsibility for middle eastern refugees, stop creating them with unprovoked wars and stirring up sht.
You make some valid points about responsibility, but it's not too much of a tautological twist to suggest that you're flying in the face of "two wrongs don't make a right".
The West has screwed up in the ME, that's obvious. America especially just doesn't do foreign policy all that well. But to suggest that we should screw up our own countries by welcoming in a bunch of medieval goat fcukers is beyond mental.
On the night of September 11th 2001 I saw carnival time in East London. There is no such thing as multi-culturalism for many of these Muslims. Bear in mind that a large % of them are the dregs of their own society. We are not taking about shipping in a bunch of Iranian emigres. Moroccan, Algerian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Somalian vermin who will do nothing but drag our countries down to the level of the shitholes that they left.
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here you go. even the great revered leader barrack hussein obama admits the rise of isis is down to US and co
"Mr Obama said: "Two things: one is, Isis is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/president-obama-claims-rise-of-isis-is-unintended-consequence-of-george-w-bush-s-invasion-in-iraq-10115243.html
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You make some valid points about responsibility, but it's not too much of a tautological twist to suggest that you're flying in the face of "two wrongs don't make a right".
The West has screwed up in the ME, that's obvious. America especially just doesn't do foreign policy all that well. But to suggest that we should screw up our own countries by welcoming in a bunch of medieval goat fcukers is beyond mental.
On the night of September 11th 2001 I saw carnival time in East London. There is no such thing as multi-culturalism for many of these Muslims. Bear in mind that a large % of them are the dregs of their own society. We are not taking about shipping in a bunch of Iranian emigres. Moroccan, Algerian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Somalian vermin who will do nothing but drag our countries down to the level of the shitholes that they left.
tbf syrians are probably more similar culturally to turks than they are the group of nationalities you've listed. and i'm sure the number being talked about europe taking is something like a million, that absorbed into a population of 500 million really isn't such a big deal.
regardless of any of that i'm of the belief that if you cause a mess you do your bit to clean it up even if it means some hardship on your part.
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If we take in large amounts of Middle Eastern refugees, than the ones belonging to the religious minorities in the area should be given preference. Any migration of Sunni Muslims should be closely monitored. Migrants from places such as Somalia are of a bigger concern than Syrians/Lebanese/Persians etc.
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here you go. even the great revered leader barrack hussein obama admits the rise of isis is down to US and co
"Mr Obama said: "Two things: one is, Isis is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/president-obama-claims-rise-of-isis-is-unintended-consequence-of-george-w-bush-s-invasion-in-iraq-10115243.html
Quoting Obama blaming Bush for anything is a bit of a joke over here. He does it for everything. It's not dispositive.
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Quoting Obama blaming Bush for anything is a bit of a joke over here. He does it for everything. It's not dispositive.
it was meant tongue in cheek really. of course one great leader may have some personal incentive to tarnish the legacy of the highly esteemed leader that went before him.
but i think anyone reasonably well informed would agree with obama's assertion nonetheless.
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so to sum up every time we do anything over seas
we should allow the whole population of that country to move here ???
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so to sum up every time we do anything over seas
we should allow the whole population of that country to move here ???
Yes, that's Moral Relativism.
The Middle East Population should be held to no standards, at all.
And you should be held to impossible standards. ;)
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Yes, that's Moral Relativism.
The Middle East Population should be held to no standards, at all.
And you should be held to impossible standards. ;)
its easy to make the moral argument while at dinner parties eating vegan food
different case if you have terrorists running round your streets trying to kill everyone
we cant afford to let these lunatics in its that simple
fuck them
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its easy to make the moral argument while at dinner parties eating vegan food
different case if you have terrorists running round your streets trying to kill everyone
we cant afford to let these lunatics in its that simple
fuck them
Those making the argument believe they will be spared because they understand the plight of the oppressed.
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Those refugees should be thankful that the U.S. never truly unleashed hell upon them and their homeland.
:-*
I never supported intervening in the Middle East, especially without any clear cut goals/agenda, but once we did get involved we should have never pussyfooted around. I want my tax dollars put to good use goddamnit!
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The UK and every country that caved in to George Bush's overbearing ultimatum should take a long look in the mirror.
"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."
To which the correct response was: "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Who the hell do you think you are? Go fuck yourself."
So 15 years later here you are debating whether you have a moral obligation to share your neighbourhood with refugees because of a war which your politicians chose and you fought, although none of the politicians fought it and none of them live in your neighbourhood. Is that about it?
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The UK and every country that caved in to George Bush's overbearing ultimatum should take a long look in the mirror.
"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."
To which the correct response was: "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Who the hell do you think you are? Go fuck yourself."
So 15 years later here you are debating whether you have a moral obligation to share your neighbourhood with refugees because of a war which your politicians chose and you fought, although none of the politicians fought it and none of them live in your neighbourhood. Is that about it?
that seems about the long and short of it.
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Yeah but that's not the joke. Nor is the fact that Europe (in which I include you guys, of course) seems to be getting the brunt of the blowback.
The punchline: That 'start mopping up' whistle isn't the final one. That'd be the sound of 1/4 time.
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Those making the argument believe they will be spared because they understand the plight of the oppressed.
And this is where the romantic views things headed. That people will forgive and forget because they were nice. It reminds me of the old cartoons where there is an angry lion, and some small mouse. The lion has a splinter in his paw, and when the mouse pulls it out for him, they become friends. In real life, the lion eats the mouse without a second thought.
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Yeah but that's not the joke. Nor is the fact that Europe (in which I include you guys, of course) seems to be getting the brunt of the blowback.
The punchline: That 'start mopping up' whistle isn't the final one. That'd be the sound of 1/4 time.
1/4 time? hmmm could be a good bet with the exalted statesman trump on course for the white house.
p.s thank for the inclusion into europe "we" were somewhat in limbo until that point 8)
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Lol, it's dumbocracy in action!
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people in general have being finding reasons to fight each other for thousands of years not just muslims. europeans are responsible for starting the war with the highest death toll in history. so what?
none of that changes the fact that our deposition of the iraqi regime and backing of moderates jihadis to fight the syrian regime, is greatly responsible for isis getting a stranglehold there and the general mess those countries are in.
here's a thought, if you don't want to take any responsibility for middle eastern refugees, stop creating them with unprovoked wars and stirring up sht.
You're a fucking moron. Do you think the average European or American citizen starts wars? Politicians and elites start wars for various reasons. Did German citizens vote to finance rebels in Syria? No. Europeans are not obligated to do anything but preserve their cultures and countries. They are also obligated to impale the traitorous politicians. That's it.
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Diebold voting machines.
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You're a fucking moron. Do you think the average European or American citizen starts wars? Politicians and elites start wars for various reasons. Did German citizens vote to finance rebels in Syria? No. Europeans are not obligated to do anything but preserve their cultures and countries. They are also obligated to impale the traitorous politicians. That's it.
I think if he had direct democracy and people voting for wars or not, the vast majority of people would vote NO.
The problem with modern democracy is that it's usually just two or maybe three groups you can realistically choose who are basically the same, one a little more pro-business and other a bit pro-worker but otherwise not really different especially in terms of foreign policy.
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You're a fucking moron. Do you think the average European or American citizen starts wars? Politicians and elites start wars for various reasons. Did German citizens vote to finance rebels in Syria? No. Europeans are not obligated to do anything but preserve their cultures and countries. They are also obligated to impale the traitorous politicians. That's it.
calm down tough guy. the closest you'll get to any "impaling" is if your bf decides to sticks his fist through your ring piece.
unfortunately we are ultimately responsible for the decisions our politicians make. you think if our politicians decide to bomb russia or china that they will refrain from raining bombs down on our heads because "it wasn't us.... it was only our politicians"
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I think if he had direct democracy and people voting for wars or not, the vast majority of people would vote NO.
The problem with modern democracy is that it's usually just two or maybe three groups you can realistically choose who are basically the same, one a little more pro-business and other a bit pro-worker but otherwise not just different especially in terms of foreign policy.
Fuckin-A right. Any politician who says he supports a war should prove it - resign and go sign up with the infantry.
There are no logistical roadblocks remaining to direct democracy with current technology. The only argument against it, and possibly a good one, is that people are idiots and can't be trusted to make the right call. Which isn't much of an endorsement of any kind of democracy to begin with.
Yep, 'foreign policy' is gayer than precisely as gay as representative democracy.
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people in general have being finding reasons to fight each other for thousands of years not just muslims. europeans are responsible for starting the war with the highest death toll in history. so what?
none of that changes the fact that our deposition of the iraqi regime and backing of moderates jihadis to fight the syrian regime, is greatly responsible for isis getting a stranglehold there and the general mess those countries are in.
here's a thought, if you don't want to take any responsibility for middle eastern refugees, stop creating them with unprovoked wars and stirring up sht.
I agree with you on some points, at times we back factions that later cause problems and have extremist elements but the most important point that you don't seem to understand is these people are constantly fighting each other, this is the history of the middle east with respect to wars. They fight over subtle differences in religion, over land, and regimes. That is why dictators are successful, they rule by harsh force and suppress the warring factions. Whether we are there or not, they are already fighting each other. It is a liberal talking point to say we caused groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda by intervention in the Gulf war and after, that is false...we have influenced different factions, agree but these extremists in some form were already there. In fact, when we left Iraq, Isis filled the voids, that is a fact listening to people that know far more than you and I. I have listened to quite a few military leaders in their description of what is happening in the middle east. I have cleared military members to go to the middle east for yrs. They describe how bad it is in many regions there. How backward and blinded the general population is, for the most part, with their lives being ruled by their religion. Most people in the middle east want to live under Islamic law, they choose it, it is a part of their daily life and routine. That is incompatible with western culture, entirely. We cannot just relocate these people and think they will blend with Western culture and law. The only way this will change is for younger generations to rise up and change their own countries. We cannot force change and cannot nation build. I agree, we should not leave large #s of troops there indefinitely and should only engage when it is in our best interest or to prevent genocide.
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here you go. even the great revered leader barrack hussein obama admits the rise of isis is down to US and co
"Mr Obama said: "Two things: one is, Isis is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/president-obama-claims-rise-of-isis-is-unintended-consequence-of-george-w-bush-s-invasion-in-iraq-10115243.html
Do you realize how many military leaders disagree with President Obama? I am military...I can tell you the majority of the military may respect, but do not support this president.
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Quoting Obama blaming Bush for anything is a bit of a joke over here. He does it for everything. It's not dispositive.
Agree. Most Americans don't want to be involved in middle eastern wars and agree we need to stay out of civil wars but because of terrorist threats, mass killings (by their own hands...see what happened to the Kurds and Christians), and a potential nuclear Iran, we must stay involved to some degree.
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they will frighten the populice in to staying in
it will be close
but the element of uncertainty will win the day
i will be voting to leave so we can close the borders
The 'get out' argument is all fear. Same as US pro-gun arguments. Pussies.