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Title: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: WannaBePro on March 28, 2016, 04:33:54 AM
Genetic predisposition, I bet.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Taffin on March 28, 2016, 04:46:52 AM
Normal levels of creatinine in the blood are approximately 0.6 to 1.2 milligrams (mg) per deciliter (dL) in adult males and 0.5 to 1.1 milligrams per deciliter in adult females... so not sounding too good here...

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 28, 2016, 04:48:04 AM
At least he is being honest.


Buena suerte WoooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: mazrim on March 28, 2016, 04:49:07 AM
So basically since 2004 he's continued to try and kill himself slowly. Bright guy.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Stephano on March 28, 2016, 04:50:49 AM
http://www.diabetesnet.com/about-diabetes/diabetes-complications/kidney-disease/stages-and-reversal

Stages Of Kidney Disease:
Kidney damage goes through stages that can be monitored with standard lab tests:

1. Microalbuminuria occurs when trace amounts of a protein called albumin begin to leak through the damaged filtering structures of the kidneys. The presence of microalbumin in the urine is often an early warning of kidney disease, but can also be present for other reasons. Normal values on this test are less than 15 to 30 mg/l. The important microalbumin test should be done at least yearly in those who have had diabetes for five years or longer.
The test will help those who have had diabetes a relatively short time but have already started to spill microalbumin. As kidney damage progresses, microalbumin spillage will rise above 200 mg/l and be followed by:

2. Proteinuria is the spillage of larger quantities of protein. A standard urinalysis will pick up this spillage (normal is less than 100-150 mg/day, depending on the lab). As damage progresses and protein levels reach about 2000-4000 mg/day, proteinuria is followed by:

3. A rising blood creatinine. Creatinine is a normal breakdown product from muscle which the kidneys cleanse from blood (a normal creatinine is 1.1-1.3 mg/dl or less, depending on the lab). As damaged kidneys have more trouble cleansing the blood, creatinine levels rise. After a gradual buildup, toxins in the blood reach a critical stage (usually at a creatinine level between 3 and 8). This critical stage requires:

4. Dialysis or a kidney transplant. These technologies replace the severely damaged kidneys in cleansing the blood. Transplant organs are scare and the operations are costly. Dialysis is disruptive to one's lifestyle and can cost $25,000 to $45,000 each year.


A creatinine level over 8?  Dude's in critical condition. 
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 28, 2016, 04:57:19 AM
He is dying for us bitches
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Thong Maniac on March 28, 2016, 04:58:11 AM
so is it proper etiquette to LIkE a facebook post about bad news, or do you not "like" it? I dont have FB because I am a hetero male, so I have no idea.

feel bad for the guy, he looks alot like aaron (Blackstone "athlete") in the face
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 28, 2016, 05:01:34 AM
lolz " I have no regrets "  ::) BULLSHIT !!!
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: _bruce_ on March 28, 2016, 05:10:40 AM
At least he is being honest.


Buena suerte WoooSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 28, 2016, 05:16:45 AM


A lot of this athletes never say the real reason why theyre moving on to "bigger and better things"



WoooSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: BayGBM on March 28, 2016, 05:19:50 AM
lolz " I have no regrets "  ::) BULLSHIT !!!

I know, right?  My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets.  Really?  ??? :'(
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Taffin on March 28, 2016, 05:52:51 AM
Looks like Beau may have been on a recent blast if you read this post from him - wonder if he was doing 'bigger by the day' and following Richie P?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 28, 2016, 06:00:46 AM
I know, right?  My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets.  Really?  ??? :'(

The journey to Tier 1 is worth any risk
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Powerlift66 on March 28, 2016, 06:06:39 AM
So basically since 2004 he's continued to try and kill himself slowly. Bright guy.

He sure is:

Bright's dis·ease
noun
unpunctuated: Brights disease
a disease involving chronic inflammation of the kidneys.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Irongrip400 on March 28, 2016, 06:26:59 AM
I know, right?  My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets.  Really?  ??? :'(

I'm sure when it finally hits him he will regret it. Especially if he has young kids.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 06:36:37 AM
At least he's not stupid enough to believe the announcement will stop anyone else from using drugs.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Hulkotron on March 28, 2016, 06:39:52 AM
Pre-existing congenital condition nothing to due with "training".
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 06:48:37 AM
Pre-existing congenital condition nothing to due with "training".

I'm calling bullshit.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: DroppingPlates on March 28, 2016, 07:02:59 AM
I know, right?  My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets.  Really?  ??? :'(

He's an iron(ic) warrior
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 07:08:45 AM
IFBB will chalk it up to genetics and too much red meat. "Protein powder is easy to digest!"

I wish one of these fucking drug abusers would "break the silence" and tell impressionable kids: Hey, I took drugs for years and I paid the price.

Narcissism stage 5 with these guys.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 07:13:00 AM
IFBB will chalk it up to genetics and too much red meat. "Protein powder is easy to digest!"

I wish one of these fucking drug abusers would "break the silence" and tell impressionable kids: Hey, I took drugs for years and I paid the price.

Narcissism stage 5 with these guys.

You're confusing impressionable with willfully ignorant and stupid.

People are willing to sacrifice their health for results. No more, no less.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on March 28, 2016, 07:27:10 AM
He is dying for us bitches

Haha
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: balzac on March 28, 2016, 07:36:34 AM
whatever it takes i guess, oh well...

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Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on March 28, 2016, 07:38:15 AM
All that's missing is for pellius to post about how this guy leads a better life than any of us
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Nether Animal on March 28, 2016, 07:49:52 AM
Aaron Singerman upped teh dose

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Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: oldgolds on March 28, 2016, 07:54:32 AM
"No regrets"...Are you insane?.....Kidney dialysis is hell on Earth.....
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: BayGBM on March 28, 2016, 07:58:13 AM
The journey to Tier 1 is worth any risk

He was tier 4   :-*
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 08:05:27 AM
FWIW, people eat themselves into kidney failure and dialysis on a daily basis.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Wiggs on March 28, 2016, 08:22:19 AM
A respectable  310. lol
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
You're confusing impressionable with willfully ignorant and stupid.

People are willing to sacrifice their health for results. No more, no less.
Think about when you were 16... Even if you didn't consider it gospel, you probably put some stock into what "everyone was saying" and the truth is no bodybuilders are out there saying they even do steroids when they are on their deathbed!

I remember when the Tom Prince article in Flex came out... I KNEW he took steroids but I didn't know the reality was he was a hardcore drug addict. Even if I didn't totally buy the "advil abuse" bullshit I was still woefully in the dark as to how shitty the lifestyle of an IFBB pro is and how utterly unhealthy it is. It defies logic that one of these fuckers hasn't railed against drug abuse as it kills them.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 08:47:11 AM
Think about when you were 16... Even if you didn't consider it gospel, you probably put some stock into what "everyone was saying" and the truth is no bodybuilders are out there saying they even do steroids when they are on their deathbed!

I remember when the Tom Prince article in Flex came out... I KNEW he took steroids but I didn't know the reality was he was a hardcore drug addict. Even if I didn't totally buy the "advil abuse" bullshit I was still woefully in the dark as to how shitty the lifestyle of an IFBB pro is and how utterly unhealthy it is. It defies logic that one of these fuckers hasn't railed against drug abuse as it kills them.

In this day and age, everyone knows. It's like cigarette smoking.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on March 28, 2016, 08:49:00 AM
FWIW, people eat themselves into kidney failure and dialysis on a daily basis.

So?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: SF1900 on March 28, 2016, 09:13:10 AM
Its actually quite sad that, despite knowing his fate, he kept on doing that to his body. Inner demons.

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: BayGBM on March 28, 2016, 09:13:33 AM
In this day and age, everyone knows. It's like cigarette smoking.

If only that were true.  Look how many fell for Trump University...  Look how many young people continue to fall for the for-profit universities...  Look how many people still buy muscle mags... A sucker is born every minute.  :'(
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: viking1 on March 28, 2016, 09:29:17 AM
Pushing 310 lbs. The body/organs can only handle so much of that abuse.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 10:06:47 AM
http://www.diabetesnet.com/about-diabetes/diabetes-complications/kidney-disease/stages-and-reversal

Stages Of Kidney Disease:
Kidney damage goes through stages that can be monitored with standard lab tests:

1. Microalbuminuria occurs when trace amounts of a protein called albumin begin to leak through the damaged filtering structures of the kidneys. The presence of microalbumin in the urine is often an early warning of kidney disease, but can also be present for other reasons. Normal values on this test are less than 15 to 30 mg/l. The important microalbumin test should be done at least yearly in those who have had diabetes for five years or longer.
The test will help those who have had diabetes a relatively short time but have already started to spill microalbumin. As kidney damage progresses, microalbumin spillage will rise above 200 mg/l and be followed by:

2. Proteinuria is the spillage of larger quantities of protein. A standard urinalysis will pick up this spillage (normal is less than 100-150 mg/day, depending on the lab). As damage progresses and protein levels reach about 2000-4000 mg/day, proteinuria is followed by:

3. A rising blood creatinine. Creatinine is a normal breakdown product from muscle which the kidneys cleanse from blood (a normal creatinine is 1.1-1.3 mg/dl or less, depending on the lab). As damaged kidneys have more trouble cleansing the blood, creatinine levels rise. After a gradual buildup, toxins in the blood reach a critical stage (usually at a creatinine level between 3 and 8). This critical stage requires:

4. Dialysis or a kidney transplant. These technologies replace the severely damaged kidneys in cleansing the blood. Transplant organs are scare and the operations are costly. Dialysis is disruptive to one's lifestyle and can cost $25,000 to $45,000 each year.


A creatinine level over 8?  Dude's in critical condition. 


Is there anything one can do to reverse kidney damage? Say you are at the point where you have leakage. Then what? As I understand it the kidneys, unlike the liver, doesn't regenerate itself. All you can do it slow the progression of damage.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Tennisballz on March 28, 2016, 10:07:20 AM
FWIW, people eat themselves into kidney failure and dialysis on a daily basis.
That doesn't make Baisden any less of a moron for knowingly destroying his kidneys.  At least he didn't start a gofundme....yet
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: falco on March 28, 2016, 10:13:37 AM
Kidneys are overrated.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: BayGBM on March 28, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney.  There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation).  If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k.  We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one.  So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2016, 10:47:59 AM
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: MAXX on March 28, 2016, 10:48:13 AM
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney.  There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation).  If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k.  We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one.  So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?
you can go to the middle east or some shitty "developing country" and get one for way less than that.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 10:52:58 AM
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney.  There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation).  If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k.  We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one.  So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?

No.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: WannaBePro on March 28, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney.  There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation).  If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k.  We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one.  So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?

Unless its a direct family member who needs it (parent or brother, in my case), then its a no.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: DroppingPlates on March 28, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.

Sadly true in most cases, Tom Prince excluded
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
Sadly true in most cases, Tom Prince excluded

Even Tom tried competing when deathly ill. I remember him dropping out of a pro show when his lungs kept filling up with fluid backstage due to the kidney failure.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: balzac on March 28, 2016, 11:55:49 AM
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.

true...

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Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: WannaBePro on March 28, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
true...

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I thought God cured him?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 12:07:40 PM
All that's missing is for pellius to post about how this guy leads a better life than any of us

Another cum gulper whose feeling I must have hurt.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: funk51 on March 28, 2016, 12:11:22 PM
rip.... :'(               at least he's not crying or bitching about the choices he made good for him on that count. :D
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 12:12:11 PM
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney.  There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation).  If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k.  We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one.  So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?

One of the must unjust policies ever.

Everybody in the transplant process makes money. Everybody except the actual donor.

I wouldn't donate a kidney but I can see someone in such a desperate situation that they would. But it doesn't matter if they are desperate for cash or just want a fancy car. It's none of my business. It's their body and they can do whatever they want with it.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 12:14:36 PM
One of the must unjust policies ever.

Everybody in the transplant process makes money. Everybody except the actual donor.

I wouldn't donate a kidney but I can see someone in such a desperate situation that they would. But it doesn't matter if they are desperate for cash or just want a fancy car. It's none of my business. It's their body and they can do whatever they want with it.

It happens a lot in 3rd world countries. From what I've read: Outcomes aren't very good in donors.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: DroppingPlates on March 28, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
Even Tom tried competing when deathly ill. I remember him dropping out of a pro show when his lungs kept filling up with fluid backstage due to the kidney failure.

Damn.. :-\
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.

I'm not sure. There are some that stop juicing altogether that don't have health problems. Someone like Bob Paris or that Arab guy, Mustafa I think is his name. Then there's Tom Prince.

I think for some you just wake up one day and have an epiphany and ask yourself what the hell have you been doing to yourself all these years. Maybe even more so when you are having organ failure.

Yet here we are saying that Kai needs to bring up his conditioning and Compton needs more back thickness.... and these are guys walking around at 300 lbs off season still at single digit body fat.

We encourage them when they are on top and mock them when they start falling apart.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 12:26:16 PM
It happens a lot in 3rd world countries. From what I've read: Outcomes aren't very good in donors.

That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 12:29:34 PM
In this day and age, everyone knows. It's like cigarette smoking.
I don't agree with that.

Also, look at how many decades and millions of dollars went into anti smoking.

And yet, here we are today and the IFBB has a solid anti drug policy and the athletes claim its all nutrient timing and hard work. This is the polar opposite of informing the public and everything that is cigarettes.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: MAXX on March 28, 2016, 12:32:35 PM
That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.


It shouldn't be legal.

If it was legal less wealthy people would be used as items and things you harvest organs from by wealthier people... Very cynical and cruel society.

I'm all for a free(er) market but there is areas that shouldn't apply to that.

The trade of organs only goes on in shitty thirld world countries.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2016, 12:33:30 PM
I'm not sure. There are some that stop juicing altogether that don't have health problems. Someone like Bob Paris or that Arab guy, Mustafa I think is his name. Then there's Tom Prince.

I think for some you just wake up one day and have an epiphany and ask yourself what the hell have you been doing to yourself all these years. Maybe even more so when you are having organ failure.

Yet here we are saying that Kai needs to bring up his conditioning and Compton needs more back thickness.... and these are guys walking around at 300 lbs off season still at single digit body fat.

We encourage them when they are on top and mock them when they start falling apart.

It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.

But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 12:43:20 PM
It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.

But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.
Trust me. They know their bodies better than anyone else.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 12:47:25 PM
That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.



Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.

Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2016, 12:49:39 PM
I read that some in China had sold a kidney to be able to buy an Iphone. Was in the news a while back
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 12:55:28 PM
It shouldn't be legal.

If it was legal less wealthy people would be used as items and things you harvest organs from by wealthier people... Very cynical and cruel society.

I'm all for a free(er) market but there is areas that shouldn't apply to that.

The trade of organs only goes on in shitty thirld world countries.

Of course only the poor will sell their organs and the wealthy always get to buy anything they want. As it stands now the poor are exploited and the procedures are often done by unqualified people. Those people in "shitty third world countries" would be much better off if it was legal and done by legit and qualified people.

Why is it better that you can donate your kidneys anyway as long as you don't get anything out of it? Like I said, everybody else in the process makes money, just not the most important person in the process who is making the biggest contribution -- the donor.
  
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 01:01:49 PM
Allowing sale of organs would cause more harm than good.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: MAXX on March 28, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
Of course only the poor will sell their organs and the wealthy always get to buy anything they want. As it stands now the poor are exploited and the procedures are often done by unqualified people. Those people in "shitty third world countries" would be much better off if it was legal and done by legit and qualified people.

Why is it better that you can donate your kidneys anyway as long as you don't get anything out of it? Like I said, everybody else in the process makes money, just not the most important person in the process who is making the biggest contribution -- the donor.
  

Rules that apply in 3rd world countries can be kept there.

Morally sound white countries should not adopt the same morals, laws(or lack of them)
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:07:19 PM
Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.

Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?

You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.

A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?

 
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:08:56 PM
It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.

But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.

Well, I'll defer to your insight as you are more knowledgeable about this cult than I am.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: MAXX on March 28, 2016, 01:10:43 PM
You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.

A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?

 
great morals there

wouldn't expect any less from a half mongoloid or whatever you are
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Victor VonDoom on March 28, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.

The latter part of his post sounds like he is climbing into a coffin... writing his own obituary.

"I have no idea what the future holds... but I'm extremely fortunate to have spent the past 20 years doing what I love. I have no regrets and feel thankful that I was able to purse my passion and accomplish all of the things I ever wanted out of life."

Bah!  Doom disapproves.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 28, 2016, 01:13:26 PM
If he dies, he dies.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 01:13:48 PM
Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.

Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?
Staunch anti-capitalist!
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
Allowing sale of organs would cause more harm than good.

No it will not. More people will get a kidney they so desperately need and more people will be lifted out of poverty or a desperate financial situation with little impact to their health and well being, assuming they live a healthy life style. Both parties benefit by a mutually agreed transaction.

The exploitation and harm is what is happening now because it is in the black market.

I have a friend that I've know for years who donated a kidney to his sister over twenty years ago. He is now over fifty and doesn't have any health problems. He told me that only thing he really has to do is not eat a ton of protein which he says has had zero effect on his normal diet.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 01:16:20 PM
The latter part of his post sounds like he is climbing into a coffin... writing his own obituary.

"I have no idea what the future holds... but I'm extremely fortunate to have spent the past 20 years doing what I love. I have no regrets and feel thankful that I was able to purse my passion and accomplish all of the hings I ever wanted out of life."

Bah!  Doom disapproves.
I agree. To have no idea what the future holds is a bit bizarre. There are many people with failing kidneys. Dialysis treatment centers are not hard to find.

We know precisely what the future holds barring some divine intervention.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
No it will not. More people will get a kidney they so desperately need and more people will be lifted out of poverty or a desperate financial situation with little impact to their health and well being, assuming they live a healthy life style. Both parties benefit by a mutually agreed transaction.

The exploitation and harm is what is happening now because it is in the black market.

I have a friend that I've know for years who donated a kidney to his sister over twenty years ago. He is now over fifty and doesn't have any health problems. He told me that only thing he really has to do is not eat a ton of protein which he says has had zero effect on his normal diet.
If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.

Beyond that, how would a kidney sale be taxed?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:18:36 PM
Rules that apply in 3rd world countries can be kept there.

Morally sound white countries should not adopt the same morals, laws(or lack of them)

Why would we? If it was allowed it would then we would eliminate the exploiters who often will take your organs anyway and leave you for dead.

We'll see what you will say if ever you or a love one ever needs a kidney.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 01:19:16 PM
You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.

A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?

 

I'm unworthy of such careful wording, LOL!

Someone in a third world country is never going to be going to make an informed decision on their health when looking at what $50K can do for their family in the long run. According to the WEF (World Economic Forum) the average Indian woman earns $1,185/year.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Victor VonDoom on March 28, 2016, 01:21:20 PM
If he dies, he dies.

Doom sees what you did there.  Bah ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:23:25 PM
great morals there

wouldn't expect any less from a half mongoloid or whatever you are

You think saving lives and ending suffering is an immoral thing.

It's funny, people think it would be a good thing if more people donated a kidney to help others. Just as long as they do it for free.

As I said before, your tune would change very fast if you or a loved one needed a kidney to live. Imagine if your daughter or niece needed a kidney within months or she will die and the only way you could get it was to buy it on the black market. Would you? Or would you let her die?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 01:24:23 PM
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Victor VonDoom on March 28, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.

Beyond that, how would a kidney sale be taxed?

Doom agrees.  Hard to believe anyone can think like this.  That money will be gone in less a year.  What do you sell next?  Bah!
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 28, 2016, 01:30:28 PM
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....
Who is going to take a sex offenders kidney?!

Worthless!
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:30:40 PM
If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.

Beyond that, how would a kidney sale be taxed?

Many successful businesses has been started by less. But that argument is irrelevant. The more relevant point is who are you to decided for others what they can and cannot do with their money and body.

You think it's OK to donate a kidney for free but heaven forbid the donor should get anything in return.

Now I ask you, if you or a loved one needed a kidney to survive and the only way you could get one in time is to buy it, would you?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
I'm unworthy of such careful wording, LOL!

Someone in a third world country is never going to be going to make an informed decision on their health when looking at what $50K can do for their family in the long run. According to the WEF (World Economic Forum) the average Indian woman earns $1,185/year.

Ah, so you know better what the average person living in a third world country should do to improve their lives then they do. So you believe you should be the one making decisions about their lives than they should. The fact that you state the low yearly income only makes my case. Fifty grand would indeed change their lives. Besides, you over look the fact that if it were legal kidney donation would no longer be limited to the third world and their exploiters.

Now I pose you the same question, and everyone who disagrees with me for that matter, if you could save yourself or a loved one only by buying a kidney because of time constraints, would you?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:43:48 PM
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....

I thought you would be smarter than that.

I feel almost embarrassed for you that I have to explain this. I carry a card indicating that upon my death I freely consent to have any of my organs or any of my body parts taken and used to help others.

I'm going to give you a hint and say that the operative word here is "freely". I'll let you figure out the rest.

You haven't answered my question?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: mr.turbo on March 28, 2016, 01:47:32 PM
Hey Pelius, we missed your input on the free market thinker thread.

I will leave yall to decide weather a human is ideally reduced to a set of components to be bought and sold.

The wonders of the free market!

 ;D
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:47:51 PM
Doom agrees.  Hard to believe anyone can think like this.  That money will be gone in less a year.  What do you sell next?  Bah!

Again it doesn't matter. The issue is why do you think it's OK for someone to donate their kidney for free but not OK for them to give a kidney for any amount of money they decide on whether 50 grand or 50 dollars?

Answer my blanket question: would you save yourself or a lover one if the only way you can do it in time was to buy a kidney from the black market or would you rather die or let someone you  love die?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 01:52:57 PM
Hey Pelius, we missed your input on the free market thinker thread.

I will leave yall to decide weather a human is ideally reduced to a set of components to be bought and sold.

The wonders of the free market!

 ;D


Not aware of the thread.

And we are in a sense bought on sold on what we bring to the labor marker. Whether it's with our brain or with our sweat. The issue is always not whether you or me think it is good or bad but rather who should decide.

We all know abusing steroids, over eating or smoking is bad but who should ultimately decided? I tend to lean on the side of personal freedom.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Disgusted on March 28, 2016, 02:11:52 PM
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney.  There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation).  If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k.  We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one.  So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?


Guy I know got one donated to him and in return donated the other guy 15K.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The_Punisher on March 28, 2016, 02:28:18 PM
oh no, I'm shocked, not another Kidney failure.. :o :o...who's next?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 02:31:22 PM

Guy I know got one donated to him and in return donated the other guy 15K.

LOL! Now that is Pellius approved!

It's OK with the Nanny State government as long as you say it's donated and the pretense of morality is preserved.

Both parties benefit as it should be.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 02:37:45 PM
Ah, so you know better what the average person living in a third world country should do to improve their lives then they do. So you believe you should be the one making decisions about their lives than they should. The fact that you state the low yearly income only makes my case. Fifty grand would indeed change their lives. Besides, you over look the fact that if it were legal kidney donation would no longer be limited to the third world and their exploiters.

Now I pose you the same question, and everyone who disagrees with me for that matter, if you could save yourself or a loved one only by buying a kidney because of time constraints, would you?

The power imbalance between someone with $50K (or more) needing a kidney and some schlub in Bangladesh is too great.

If it's morally fine, allow selling organs here and see how many poor people who sell their kidneys end up on lifetime dialysis or dead.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
The power imbalance between someone with $50K (or more) needing a kidney and some schlub in Bangladesh is too great.

If it's morally fine, allow selling organs here and see how many poor people who sell their kidneys end up on lifetime dialysis or dead.

There's always a power imbalance between the rich and the poor. It doesn't nothing to even that balance by limiting what a rich  person can buy and what a poor person can sell.

How many people donating their kidneys for free end up on lifetime dialysis or dead?

And why are you avoiding my simple but very relevant question?

Do you oppose and disagree with the situation that Disgusted just related?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: nicorulez on March 28, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....

Dr. J, I think that is a great idea except for one issue. The rate of chronic Hepatitis C approaches 50% in the prisoner population. When I was a resident in Internal Medicine in Texas,  I worked at the state prison hospital in Galveston (TDCJ affiliated with UTMB), over 50% had Hep C in early 2002 along with a high percentage of HIV. That I believe is one reason why more prisoners are not kidney transplant candidates. Moreover, we have a pussy in office who would never allow such a thing. Now if crazy Donald is elected, who the fuck knows what will come about.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
I was in Madagascar a few years ago, and remember getting back home and hearing of an incident happening not long after, where three European men were suspected of mutilating some local children for organ harvesting. The locals tracked the men down, tortured them, then burned them alive.  :o

Another reason why the black market should be eliminated.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on March 28, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
One of the must unjust policies ever.

Everybody in the transplant process makes money. Everybody except the actual donor.

I wouldn't donate a kidney but I can see someone in such a desperate situation that they would. But it doesn't matter if they are desperate for cash or just want a fancy car. It's none of my business. It's their body and they can do whatever they want with it.

It might be their body but when the person with just one kidney gets older, it becomes societies problem when that person is in and out of the hospital. And like someone mentioned, donor problems are very common and that alone puts a strain on the health care system. So instead of a sick person and a healthy person, many times society has two sick people who probably aren't working and paying into the tax system. Bottom line is everyone is going to die someday. Deal the hand your dealt and move on.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 02:58:30 PM
There's always a power imbalance between the rich and the poor. It doesn't nothing to even that balance by limiting what a rich  person can buy and what a poor person can sell.

How many people donating their kidneys for free end up on lifetime dialysis or dead?

And why are you avoiding my simple but very relevant question?

Do you oppose and disagree with the situation that Disgusted just related?

Don't take my word for it:

Survival in the US http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/

Survival in third world countries. Please note where they track economic improvement in donor lives. http://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/128606

Third world countries shouldn't be organ farms for the wealthy.

Nico, the prison thing was sarcasm. :)
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
It might be their body but when the person with just one kidney gets older, it becomes societies problem when that person is in and out of the hospital. And like someone mentioned, donor problems are very common and that alone puts a strain on the health care system. So instead of a sick person and a healthy person, many times society has two sick people who probably aren't working and paying into the tax system. Bottom line is everyone is going to die someday. Deal the hand your dealt and move on.

Do you have any reference to back up your claim that those who donate a kidney having problems due to donating their kidney is very common.

As far as a burden to the health care system this applies to a multitude of behaviors. Do you want to limit what foods people can eat as heart disease is the number one killer and almost entirely diet related? Should we outlaw motorcycles, mountain climbing, tobacco and liquor and other risky behavior that effects your health and burdens the health care system? Do you value health and safety above personal freedom?

When you say "Bottom line is everyone is going to die someday. Deal the hand your dealt and move on." are you implying that you are against donating kidneys across the board?

If one of your children needed a kidney and you could buy one, would you?  Or would you let your child die? After all, we are all going to die someday and maybe your child should just "deal with it".

Edit:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/

The overall evidence suggests that living kidney donors have survival similar to that of nondonors and that their risk of end-stage renal disease (ESRD) is not increased.

CONCLUSIONS

Survival and the risk of ESRD in carefully screened kidney donors appear to be similar to those in the general population. Most donors who were studied had a preserved GFR, normal albumin excretion, and an excellent quality of life.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 04:31:05 PM
Don't take my word for it:

Survival in the US http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/

Survival in third world countries. Please note where they track economic improvement in donor lives. http://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/128606

Third world countries shouldn't be organ farms for the wealthy.

Nico, the prison thing was sarcasm. :)

The third world wouldn't be exploited as organ farms if it were legal.

And again, sometimes it's not whether something is good or bad for you but rather who should decide?

Why do you continue to avoid my very relevant and straight forward question?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Nether Animal on March 28, 2016, 04:40:06 PM
I thought God cured him?

What was wrong with him?

Nvm, thought it was B-Pak.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on March 28, 2016, 04:47:44 PM
Do you have any reference to back up your claim that those who donate a kidney having problems due to donating their kidney is very common.

As far as a burden to the health care system this applies to a multitude of behaviors. Do you want to limit what foods people can eat as heart disease is the number one killer and almost entirely diet related? Should we outlaw motorcycles, mountain climbing, tobacco and liquor and other risky behavior that effects your health and burdens the health care system? Do you value health and safety above personal freedom?

When you say "Bottom line is everyone is going to die someday. Deal the hand your dealt and move on." are you implying that you are against donating kidneys across the board?

If one of your children needed a kidney and you could buy one, would you?  Or would you let your child die? After all, we are all going to die someday and maybe your child should just "deal with it".

Edit:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/

The overall evidence suggests that living kidney donors have survival similar to that of nondonors and that their risk of end-stage renal disease (ESRD) is not increased.

CONCLUSIONS

Survival and the risk of ESRD in carefully screened kidney donors appear to be similar to those in the general population. Most donors who were studied had a preserved GFR, normal albumin excretion, and an excellent quality of life.

Here's an interesting article on the subject. On one hand the author is saying that problems in donors are not common. And then it's says that hospitals loose track of 2/3 of all donors. They move away to another area and use other hospitals etc. You basically sign your life away as a human guinea pig when you become a donor. And problems you may have may go unreported by the donor community unless is very serious.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/07/02/155979681/organ-donation-has-consequences-some-donors-arent-prepared-for
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
DrKaje, do you believe that more good would be done if more people donated kidneys for free? If so, why? If not, why not?

And also please answer my original blanket question about what you would do if one of children needed a kidney? Would you pay for it if that was the only way to get on in time?

I am always up for a honest and open debate and address all the questions directed at me. Unless you have an agenda and not interested in trying to determine what's best by considering different view points, please show me equal consideration and answer my questions open and honestly.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 04:52:31 PM
Here's an interesting article on the subject. On one hand the author is saying that problems in donors are not common. And then it's says that hospitals loose track of 2/3 of all donors. They move away to another area and use other hospitals etc.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/07/02/155979681/organ-donation-has-consequences-some-donors-arent-prepared-for

You ignore two very straight forward and relevant questions.

OK, so you are not interested in an honest debate just promoting your agenda and preconceived point of view.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
1. DrKaje, do you believe that more good would be done if more people donated kidneys for free? If so, why? If not, why not?

2. And also please answer my original blanket question about what you would do if one of children needed a kidney? Would you pay for it if that was the only way to get on in time?

3. I am always up for a honest and open debate and address all the questions directed at me. Unless you have an agenda and not interested in trying to determine what's best by considering different view points, please show me equal consideration and answer my questions open and honestly.

1. It should only be legal to sell organs under these conditions:
       Surgery and aftercare for donors is performed in the US, UK, or place with the same level of aftercare.
       Payment to donor is half the net worth of whoever pays.

2. No. Not if it meant killing someone else.

3. An answer or opinion you dislike doesn't mean the person has an agenda, is deflecting, or dishonest. I have an educated opinion on the topic (in regards to outcomes) and fundamentally disagree that a rich person's live has more value than someone who is poor.

In terms of kidneys freely donated: We already have that. The issue people take exception to is that the rich aren't entitled to skip others on the waiting list.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Ugly on March 28, 2016, 05:09:29 PM
How on earth is this ridiculous "sport" still a thing? Fucking death cult.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 05:23:56 PM
How on earth is this ridiculous "sport" still a thing? Fucking death cult.

There's probably some "My kidneys, my choice" movement. :)
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Ugly on March 28, 2016, 05:30:35 PM
There's probably some "My kidneys, my choice" movement. :)

Only five U.S. states have legalized assisted suicide, but all fifty allow this shit.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 05:42:31 PM
1. It should only be legal to sell organs under these conditions:
       Surgery and aftercare for donors is performed in the US, UK, or place with the same level of aftercare.
       Payment to donor is half the net worth of whoever pays.

2. No. Not if it meant killing someone else.

3. An answer or opinion you dislike doesn't mean the person has an agenda, is deflecting, or dishonest. I have an educated opinion on the topic (in regards to outcomes) and fundamentally disagree that a rich person's live has more value than someone who is poor.

In terms of kidneys freely donated: We already have that. The issue people take exception to is that the rich aren't entitled to skip others on the waiting list.


Let me address your third point first.

What are you talking about? My issue was that you were not answering my question. How can I dislike your answer when I got none? You were just giving me your point of view. That is an indication that you are not interested in an honest debate.

Now back to your first point. That doesn't answer what seemed to me a very simply question. Do you believe that it would be a good thing if MORE people donated kidneys to those that need them. If not, why not. If yes, why? Your answer, though off the point indicated to me that you do in fact support the selling of kidneys as long as adequate care is provided which I agree and taken as a given and also as long as you get to dictate the price.

So the issue is not the selling of kidneys but just how much one can sell it for. It's either free or half the net worth of the buyer.

Now for your second point: Again I ask you a simple straight forward question but instead of a straight forward answer you add in "not if it meant killing someone else." Why did you add that in? I didn't ask if you would buy a kidney from someone if it meant killing that person. That changes the context completely. I asked if you would buy a kidney to save a loved one. No one dies. Just answer a straight question with a straight answer. That's what I mean when I say I suspect someone has an agenda. They aren't open and honest and always try to obfuscate the issue. "if it meant killing someone else." Jeeze.  ::) You rewrite a simple question that changes the contest entirely to avoid answering the original straight forward question. Reeks of promoting your agenda and point of view than an honest and open debate.

And again, the rich always have more opportunities and options than those that are not rich. How do we make things better by limiting the options of the rich? So people without options don't get a kidney and people with options don't get a kidney. People without options don't get world class medical care and people with options don't get world class medical care.  How is that better? Because we can't save everyone we should save no one. Rich people can't live in mansions as long as there are poor people living in card board boxes? It's like what Churchill said about Socialism versus Capitalism. What would you rather have: an equal sharing of misery or an unequal sharing of blessings? Everybody suffers or some do and some don't suffer. Are you willing to give up your blessed and privilege life you got just by being born here. A blessing you did nothing to earn or deserved. Or do you want to join the ranks of the destitute and give up what you have in the name of cosmic justice?

In this brutal, cruel and unjust world; the choice is rarely between good and bad but between bad and worse.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 05:43:52 PM
How on earth is this ridiculous "sport" still a thing? Fucking death cult.

Because we, all of us here, watch and follow it.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 05:53:07 PM
Let me address your third point first.

What are you talking about? My issue was that you were not answering my question. How can I dislike your answer when I got none? You were just giving me your point of view. That is an indication that you are not interested in an honest debate.

Now back to your first point. That doesn't answer what seemed to me a very simply question. Do you believe that it would be a good thing if MORE people donated kidneys to those that need them. If not, why not. If yes, why? Your answer, though off the point indicated to me that you do in fact support the selling of kidneys as long as adequate care is provided which I agree and taken as a given and also as long as you get to dictate the price.

So the issue is not the selling of kidneys but just how much one can sell it for. It's either free or half the net worth of the buyer.

Now for your second point: Again I ask you a simple straight forward question but instead of a straight forward answer you add in "not if it meant killing someone else." Why did you add that in? I didn't ask if you would buy a kidney from someone if it meant killing that person. That changes the context completely. I asked if you would buy a kidney to save a loved one. No one dies. Just answer a straight question with a straight answer. That's what I mean when I say I suspect someone has an agenda. They aren't open and honest and always try to obfuscate the issue. "if it meant killing someone else." Jeeze.  ::) You rewrite a simple question that changes the contest entirely to avoid answering the original straight forward question. Reeks of promoting your agenda and point of view than an honest and open debate.

And again, the rich always have more opportunities and options than those that are not rich. How do we make things better by limiting the options of the rich? So people without options don't get a kidney and people with options don't get a kidney. People without options don't get world class medical care and people with options don't get world class medical care.  How is that better? Because we can't save everyone we should save no one. Rich people can't live in mansions as long as there are poor people living in card board boxes? It's like what Churchill said about Socialism versus Capitalism. What would you rather have: an equal sharing of misery or an unequal sharing of blessings? Everybody suffers or some do and some don't suffer. Are you willing to give up your blessed and privilege life you got just by being born here. A blessing you did nothing to earn or deserved. Or do you want to join the ranks of the destitute and give up what you have in the name of cosmic justice?

In this brutal, cruel and unjust world; the choice is rarely between good and bad but between bad and worse.

Perhaps my answer was too simple. 88% of people in those third world countries have serious complication. Their outcomes and life expectancies can't be legitimately compared to US donors. You seem to be under the impression that people sell a kidney in those countries get all the money and have great lives. Most of the money goes to aftercare and they end up fucked even worse. In fact, it's not uncommon for the spouse to sell a kidney for the first donor's medical expenses. It's not something I'd want to participate in.

My conditions don't limit options of the rich.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Ugly on March 28, 2016, 05:58:19 PM
Because we, all of us here, watch and follow it.

All us?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
Pellius, would you sell YOUR kidney?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 06:13:01 PM
Pellius, would you sell YOUR kidney?

He's well-off and in a first world country. His life is worth more than theirs. :)
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 06:15:13 PM
Perhaps my answer was too simple. 88% of people in those third world countries have serious complication. Their outcomes and life expectancies can't be legitimately compared to US donors. You seem to be under the impression that people sell a kidney in those countries get all the money and have great lives. Most of the money goes to aftercare and they end up fucked even worse. In fact, it's not uncommon for the spouse to sell a kidney for the first donor's medical expenses. It's not something I'd want to participate in.

My conditions don't limit options of the rich.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Where on God's green earth did you get the impression that I believe that people who sell kidneys and get all the money live great lives. It's just the fucking opposite! First they don't get all the money. My whole premise is that because it's a black market they are exploited. I stated that repeatedly in this thread. Repeatedly. Allowing free, open, legal transactions that are monitored and regulated like all legal transactions is the very reason I support legalization. It is to protect the disadvantage that have no one protecting them from  exploitation. I want all donors to be treated by first world countries. And they would if it was legal to sell kidneys. They do it anyway whether or not it's done in the third world. I want it ALL done outside of those corrupt shit holes

And you, yourself said, "The issue people take exception to is that the rich aren't entitled to skip others on the waiting list." First of all I don't think that all or even most people take exception to that. That implies that you don't want to have rich people having better options and opportunities than others. Sure, I don't like it. I wish I could buy a Lambo and move to the head of the line and get the best table at a fancy restaurant. But that's just the way of the world. In regard to kidneys if you are on the waiting list that means you can't afford to buy a kidney. If you're rich you can. There's nothing you can do about it but try to become rich. You live a better life when you have lots of money. If you get shot you go to the nearest emergency room and get treated by whomever is available. If you're President Reagan you get a much different reception. We are not all treated equal in this world.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Rambone on March 28, 2016, 06:16:38 PM
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Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 06:17:30 PM
All us?

You don't follow bodybuilding? You don't know who Phil Heath, Kai Greene or Dexter Jackson are? People that the average person have no clue of.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 06:20:18 PM
The power imbalance between someone with $50K (or more) needing a kidney and some schlub in Bangladesh is too great.

If it's morally fine, allow selling organs here and see how many poor people who sell their kidneys end up on lifetime dialysis or dead.

You are right

Third world devalued currencies would allow people from wealthy countries to allure poor families into organ trade.

e.g., the miminum wage in Peru is 750 PEN (222 american dollars a month).

USD 50,000 represent 20 years of minimun wage for a peruvian guy.

Jobless, uneducated people would fall for it.


PD: selling organs is illegal in every south-american country.


PD: Pellius is fvcking stupid

Free market  ::)
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 28, 2016, 06:21:57 PM
Pellius,

People would be shocked and roll out the read carpet anyplace Ronald Reagan showed up, LOL!
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
Pellius, would you sell YOUR kidney?

In my present circumstances I have no need to, so no, I wouldn't. But if I am ever in a desperate circumstances where I needed to come up with money fast that I don't have. Say my niece had cancer or my brother was being held in some Mexican cartel under threat of being beheaded  then I would like to have that option available.

And, of course I would donate my kidney for free to save the life of a loved one. And if that loved one bought me a new car as a from of gratitude I would not refuse it -- but it would not be a condition for my donation. In fact, being that I would willingly give my life to save any one of my family just donating a kidney I believe would put me ahead of the game.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 06:33:11 PM
He's well-off and in a first world country. His life is worth more than theirs. :)


Well, despite the pious platitudes and bromides, some lives are worth more than others in this world. If one Jihadi had a gun to my head and another Jihadi had a gun to Obama's head both about to pull the trigger and there was a military sniper would just one bullet which Jihadi do you think he'll shoot?

If Charles Manson and Drkaje were both drowning I would save Drkaje. I would ignore Manson.

Well, maybe I'll give Manson a poke in the eye.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: simon on March 28, 2016, 06:36:49 PM
Did Beau even ever compete after winning his pro card?  I remember him being big back in college in the early 90's. 
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 06:38:06 PM
You are right

Third world devalued currencies would allow people from wealthy countries to allure poor families into organ trade.

e.g., the miminum wage in Peru is 750 PEN (222 american dollars a month).

USD 50,000 represent 20 years of minimun wage for a peruvian guy.

Jobless, uneducated people would fall for it.


PD: selling organs is illegal in every south-american country.


PD: Pellius is fvcking stupid

Free market  ::)

So are you saying that it's better for a poor person to get pennies for selling their kidneys to corrupt harvesters than to get a qualified and registered physician perform the procedure and the donor get 50 grand American dollars?

If you could save the life of a loved one by buying a kidney would you do it or would you let your love one die?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Ugly on March 28, 2016, 06:39:15 PM
You don't follow bodybuilding?

No, but only 'cause it's fucking stupid.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 06:47:20 PM
No, but only 'cause it's fucking stupid.

So you haven't heard of Danny Padilla, Ken Waller, Samir Bannout?

You don't know who won the Mr. Olympia in 1980?

This is pretty obscure knowledge.

Only people who don't follow bodybuilding or have over 19,000 posts on a bodybuilding board would say they don't know this.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Nether Animal on March 28, 2016, 06:49:25 PM
You sure do enjoy petty arguments, pellius.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
So are you saying that it's better for a poor person to get pennies for selling their kidneys to corrupt harvesters than to get a qualified and registered physician perform the procedure and the donor get 50 grand American dollars?

Corrupt harvester?

You think it's like the movies where you just call a couple guys from the black market and they get you a kidney ASAP? ???

It doesn't work that way. Those rumors are bull$hit. You just can't go around stealing kidneys like they were cellphones.  ::)


If you could save the life of a loved one by buying a kidney would you do it or would you let your love one die?

I don't have the right to destroy someone else's life in order to save someone I love. I'd donate mine to my brother and that's it. My parents are old, they wouldn't let me do it for them.

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 07:03:40 PM
You sure do enjoy petty arguments, pellius.

As of today there are 74,000 Americans are awaiting a kidney transplant while enduring painful, exhausting and expensive hours hooked up to dialysis machines. Every day, about 17 Americans die while waiting for a transplant.

You consider that petty?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Nether Animal on March 28, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
As of today there are 74,000 Americans are awaiting a kidney transplant while enduring painful, exhausting and expensive hours hooked up to dialysis machines. Every day, about 17 Americans die while waiting for a transplant.

You consider that petty?

Arguing on here isn't going to fix that and you know it. Don't strawman now, mate.

It was nothing more than a keen observation I made.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 07:12:59 PM
Corrupt harvester?

You think it's like the movies where you just call a couple guys from the black market and they get you a kidney ASAP? ???

It doesn't work that way. Those rumors are bull$hit. You just can't go around stealing kidneys like they were cellphones.  ::)

So you consider those involve in the black market recruiting organ donors as trusted and honest brokers?

Quote
I don't have the right to destroy someone else's life in order to save someone I love. I'd donate mine to my brother and that's it. My parents are old, they wouldn't let me do it for them.

So you would let a love one die rather than pay for a kidney.

And I'm the immoral one.

And destroy whose life? "It doesn't work that way. Those rumors are bull$shit." You should educate yourself before making uninformed comments. Again you missed the post where I mentioned a person who donated a kidney over twenty years ago and is doing fine just like the majority of those who donate kidneys in this country. And those in the third world would have the same medical conditions as those in this country if it was legal.

And you obviously missed this post as well. Again, please inform and educate yourself if you want to debate me.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/

The overall evidence suggests that living kidney donors have survival similar to that of nondonors and that their risk of end-stage renal disease (ESRD) is not increased.

CONCLUSIONS

Survival and the risk of ESRD in carefully screened kidney donors appear to be similar to those in the general population. Most donors who were studied had a preserved GFR, normal albumin excretion, and an excellent quality of life.


Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Ugly on March 28, 2016, 07:16:05 PM
So you haven't heard of Danny Padilla, Ken Waller, Samir Bannout?

You don't know who won the Mr. Olympia in 1980?

This is pretty obscure knowledge.

Only people who don't follow bodybuilding or have over 19,000 posts on a bodybuilding board would say they don't know this.


I do. But this is still pre-stupid.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
Arguing on here isn't going to fix that and you know it. Don't strawman now, mate.

It was nothing more than a keen observation I made.

Nothing we debate here will fix anything. Is that why you think we have debates here? People share, exchange and debate ideas and policies all the time. That's how we learn and are expose to different ideas and perspective.

And it was not a keen observation. It was a fallacious one. Matters of life and death is not petty.

Well, at least not to me.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 07:22:04 PM
I do. But this is still pre-stupid.

You implied that you don't follow bodybuilding, yet you are on a bbing board with over 19,000 posts. You are very well aware of what is common knowledge to someone who follows bbing but completely obscure knowledge to one who doesn't.

Denying and lying about something that is clearly obvious with verifiable proof is what is stupid. Not sure what is "pre-stupid".
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 07:27:52 PM
Interesting Op Ed.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2008/01/16/hating_free_enterprise/page/2

Some highlights:

Why is selling an organ "radical"? Banning the sale of kidneys kills thousands of people a year. That should be considered "radical."

So giving someone a kidney is a good deed, but selling the same kidney is a felony.

The Kidney Foundation fears that poor people would be "exploited." But what gives the foundation the right to decide for poor people? The poor are as capable as others of deciding what trade-offs to make in life. No one forces them to give up an organ. To say the poor are too desperate to resist a dangerous temptation is patronizing.

That conceit -- that the government and "professional societies" must decide for all of us, and the underlying hostility toward commerce -- kills people.

Money shouldn't make giving up an organ suspect. As one kidney patient told me before he died, "The doctors make money, the hospitals make money, the organ procurement organizations make money. Everybody gets something except for the donor!"

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 07:39:03 PM
So you consider those involve in the black market recruiting organ donors as trusted and honest brokers?

So you would let a love one die rather than pay for a kidney.

And I'm the immoral one.

And destroy whose life? "It doesn't work that way. Those rumors are bull$shit." You should educate yourself before making uninformed comments. Again you missed the post where I mentioned a person who donated a kidney over twenty years ago and is doing fine just like the majority of those who donate kidneys in this country. And those in the third world would have the same medical conditions as those in this country if it was legal.

And you obviously missed this post as well. Again, please inform and educate yourself if you want to debate me.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/

The overall evidence suggests that living kidney donors have survival similar to that of nondonors and that their risk of end-stage renal disease (ESRD) is not increased.

CONCLUSIONS

Survival and the risk of ESRD in carefully screened kidney donors appear to be similar to those in the general population. Most donors who were studied had a preserved GFR, normal albumin excretion, and an excellent quality of life.




Not going to debate your bull$hit.

Look, you doofus. There are far too many poor families from third world countries. Devalued currencies turn first-world people into very wealthy guys when they go to those countries.

It's not moral to take advantage from them. Don't copy paste me a link about life expectancy  ::) Quality of life is already very low in third world countries.

Poor, uneducated people would fall for it. They would probably use the money to build a house and that's it. How much money is the goverment going to spend on them? What a deal, huh? Moron.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 07:55:41 PM
Not going to debate your bull$hit.

Look, you doofus. There are far too many poor families from third world countries. Devalued currencies turn first-world people into very wealthy guys when they go to those countries.

It's not moral to take advantage from them. Don't copy paste me a link about life expectancy  ::) Quality of life is already very low in third world countries.

Poor, uneducated people would fall for it. They would probably use the money to build a house and that's it. How much money is the goverment going to spend on them? What a deal, huh? Moron.

Yes, and lets keep them poor by not allowing them access to real American dollars and real American medical treatment by keeping it in the corrupt black market.

And of course you can't debate me. You're not even close to my level of rational discourse. Hence the personal insults and epic meltdown.

You lose.

Next.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Yes, and lets keep them poor by not allowing them access to real American dollars and real American medical treatment by keeping it in the corrupt black market.

And of course you can't debate me. You're not even close to my level of rational discourse. Hence the personal insults and epic meltdown.

You lose.

Next.

I insult you cause I'm annoyed at your level of stupidity.




Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 08:16:33 PM
I insult you cause I'm annoyed at your level of stupidity.


Yet you can't refute my arguments.

You are uninformed and uneducated.

You're out of your league here.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Yet you can't refute my arguments.

You are uninformed and uneducated.

You're out of your league here.

What arguments you idiot? You're in the same intellectual level as Wiggs and The Coach.

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 09:04:36 PM
Yes, and lets keep them poor by not allowing them access to real American dollars and real American medical treatment by keeping it in the corrupt black market.


This is ridiculous. Yeah, "give me one kidney, your quality of life is going to increase because I give you USD 50,000"

"Pan para hoy, hambre para mañana "Bread for today, hunger for tomorrow"

Poor people will build a house and that's it. You know what most poor people do for a living? Jobs involving physical effort. Are you gonna copy past  something to convince me that they would work as hard as always with one kidney less?

I'm from a third world country, I know people who work in banana plantations, doing strenous physical effort in a hot and sunny day, with 30 celsius degrees, 5-6 DAYS A WEEK, dehydrated as hell. You think giving them USD 50,000 for a kidney is going to improve their life in the long run?

And the medical treament they'd have to undergo, in the long run, goverments are going to pay A LOT. You still think is a great deal?
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 09:09:47 PM
What arguments you idiot? You're in the same intellectual level as Wiggs and The Coach.



I have both a Bachelors and Masters from UCLA and if we both had to take an SAT cold I would humiliate you as I am doing now.

If we were in person and both given those "man on the street" interviews where they ask basic questions like "What century did the Civil War take place?' you would be laughably exposed as the uneducated ignoramus that you are.

Seriously, when was the last time you ever read a book?

But keep posting your meltdowns. It just continues to prove how I just crushed you mentally on this thread.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 09:13:59 PM
This is ridiculous. Yeah, "give me one kidney, your quality of life is going to increase because I give you USD 50,000"

"Pan para hoy, hambre para mañana "Bread for today, hunger for tomorrow"

Poor people will build a house and that's it. You know what most poor people do for a living? Jobs involving physical effort. Are you gonna copy past  something to convince me that they would work as hard as always with one kidney less?

I'm from a third world country, I know people who work in banana plantations, doing strenous physical effort in a hot and sunny day, with 30 celsius degrees, 5-6 DAYS A WEEK, dehydrated as hell. You think giving them USD 50,000 for a kidney is going to improve their life in the long run?

And the medical treament they'd have to undergo, in the long run, goverments are going to pay A LOT. You still think is a great deal?

And that explains your third world education.

Let people decide for themselves how 50  grand will effect their lives you fascist.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 09:15:43 PM
I have both a Bachelors and Masters from UCLA and if we both had to take an SAT cold I would humiliate you as I am doing now.

If we were in person and both given those "man on the street" interviews where they ask basic questions like "What century did the Civil War take place?' you would be laughably exposed as the uneducated ignoramus that you are.

Seriously, when was the last time you ever read a book?

But keep posting your meltdowns. It just continues to prove how I just crushed you mentally on this thread.


I have taken the TOEFL and GRE tests. Those are official american tests taken by the ETS (Educational Testing Service).

I did fvcking great on the TOEFL.

I did pretty, pretty well on the quantitative section of the GRE. The verbal section not so much (way harder than the TOEFL and english is not my first language). I have a degree in engineering.

You come off as an idiot. Hope this helps.


Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 09:18:32 PM

I have taken the TOEFL and GRE tests. Those are official american tests taken by the ETS (Educational Testing Service).

I did fvcking great on the TOEFL.

I did pretty, pretty well on the quantitative section of the GRE. The verbal section not so much (way harder than the TOEFL and english is not my first language). I have a degree in engineering.

You come off as an idiot. Hope this helps.




Keep melting. I sense a nervous break down coming.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
And that explains your third world education.

Let people decide for themselves how 50  grand will effect their lives you fascist.

More like, it makes me aware how bad the idea is.  ;)
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
More like, it makes me aware how bad the idea is.  ;)

It didn't take much to get in your  head and own your little mind.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: el numero uno on March 28, 2016, 09:30:44 PM
It didn't take much to get in your  head and own your little mind.

Yawn. Weak comeback.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: pellius on March 28, 2016, 09:33:40 PM
Yawn. Weak comeback.

It will be with some satisfaction that when you cry yourself to sleep tonight the last thing you will be thinking of will be me.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on March 28, 2016, 09:47:39 PM
You ignore two very straight forward and relevant questions.

OK, so you are not interested in an honest debate just promoting your agenda and preconceived point of view.

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: balzac on March 29, 2016, 01:11:51 AM
 :D

Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Coffeed on March 29, 2016, 10:29:13 AM
That's it. Let's settle this once and for all.

Everyone post up your SAT scores and bank accounts!

Run-off voting, if needed, will consist of pictures of your wife.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: drkaje on March 29, 2016, 11:28:36 AM
That's it. Let's settle this once and for all.

Everyone post up your SAT scores and bank accounts!

Run-off voting, if needed, will consist of pictures of your wife.

I'd love to see what effect that had on people's affect.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Taffin on October 20, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
Does anyone know how this guy survived?  Black market trip to China, or legit?


Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: Nether Animal on October 20, 2016, 01:44:34 PM
Mental illness of peace.
Title: Re: IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure
Post by: falco on October 21, 2016, 04:16:51 AM
Hopefully he is small and worthless to us now. His kidneys will thank him.