At least he is being honest.
Buena suerte WoooSHHHHHHH
lolz " I have no regrets " ::) BULLSHIT !!!
I know, right? My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets. Really? ??? :'(
So basically since 2004 he's continued to try and kill himself slowly. Bright guy.
I know, right? My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets. Really? ??? :'(
Pre-existing congenital condition nothing to due with "training".
I know, right? My kidneys have failed and I have no regrets. Really? ??? :'(
IFBB will chalk it up to genetics and too much red meat. "Protein powder is easy to digest!"
I wish one of these fucking drug abusers would "break the silence" and tell impressionable kids: Hey, I took drugs for years and I paid the price.
Narcissism stage 5 with these guys.
He is dying for us bitches
The journey to Tier 1 is worth any risk
You're confusing impressionable with willfully ignorant and stupid.Think about when you were 16... Even if you didn't consider it gospel, you probably put some stock into what "everyone was saying" and the truth is no bodybuilders are out there saying they even do steroids when they are on their deathbed!
People are willing to sacrifice their health for results. No more, no less.
Think about when you were 16... Even if you didn't consider it gospel, you probably put some stock into what "everyone was saying" and the truth is no bodybuilders are out there saying they even do steroids when they are on their deathbed!
I remember when the Tom Prince article in Flex came out... I KNEW he took steroids but I didn't know the reality was he was a hardcore drug addict. Even if I didn't totally buy the "advil abuse" bullshit I was still woefully in the dark as to how shitty the lifestyle of an IFBB pro is and how utterly unhealthy it is. It defies logic that one of these fuckers hasn't railed against drug abuse as it kills them.
FWIW, people eat themselves into kidney failure and dialysis on a daily basis.
In this day and age, everyone knows. It's like cigarette smoking.
http://www.diabetesnet.com/about-diabetes/diabetes-complications/kidney-disease/stages-and-reversal
Stages Of Kidney Disease:
Kidney damage goes through stages that can be monitored with standard lab tests:
1. Microalbuminuria occurs when trace amounts of a protein called albumin begin to leak through the damaged filtering structures of the kidneys. The presence of microalbumin in the urine is often an early warning of kidney disease, but can also be present for other reasons. Normal values on this test are less than 15 to 30 mg/l. The important microalbumin test should be done at least yearly in those who have had diabetes for five years or longer.
The test will help those who have had diabetes a relatively short time but have already started to spill microalbumin. As kidney damage progresses, microalbumin spillage will rise above 200 mg/l and be followed by:
2. Proteinuria is the spillage of larger quantities of protein. A standard urinalysis will pick up this spillage (normal is less than 100-150 mg/day, depending on the lab). As damage progresses and protein levels reach about 2000-4000 mg/day, proteinuria is followed by:
3. A rising blood creatinine. Creatinine is a normal breakdown product from muscle which the kidneys cleanse from blood (a normal creatinine is 1.1-1.3 mg/dl or less, depending on the lab). As damaged kidneys have more trouble cleansing the blood, creatinine levels rise. After a gradual buildup, toxins in the blood reach a critical stage (usually at a creatinine level between 3 and 8). This critical stage requires:
4. Dialysis or a kidney transplant. These technologies replace the severely damaged kidneys in cleansing the blood. Transplant organs are scare and the operations are costly. Dialysis is disruptive to one's lifestyle and can cost $25,000 to $45,000 each year.
A creatinine level over 8? Dude's in critical condition.
FWIW, people eat themselves into kidney failure and dialysis on a daily basis.That doesn't make Baisden any less of a moron for knowingly destroying his kidneys. At least he didn't start a gofundme....yet
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney. There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation). If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k. We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one. So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?you can go to the middle east or some shitty "developing country" and get one for way less than that.
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney. There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation). If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k. We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one. So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney. There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation). If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k. We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one. So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.
Sadly true in most cases, Tom Prince excluded
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.
true...
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All that's missing is for pellius to post about how this guy leads a better life than any of us
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney. There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation). If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k. We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one. So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?
One of the must unjust policies ever.
Everybody in the transplant process makes money. Everybody except the actual donor.
I wouldn't donate a kidney but I can see someone in such a desperate situation that they would. But it doesn't matter if they are desperate for cash or just want a fancy car. It's none of my business. It's their body and they can do whatever they want with it.
Even Tom tried competing when deathly ill. I remember him dropping out of a pro show when his lungs kept filling up with fluid backstage due to the kidney failure.
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.
It happens a lot in 3rd world countries. From what I've read: Outcomes aren't very good in donors.
In this day and age, everyone knows. It's like cigarette smoking.I don't agree with that.
That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.It shouldn't be legal.
I'm not sure. There are some that stop juicing altogether that don't have health problems. Someone like Bob Paris or that Arab guy, Mustafa I think is his name. Then there's Tom Prince.
I think for some you just wake up one day and have an epiphany and ask yourself what the hell have you been doing to yourself all these years. Maybe even more so when you are having organ failure.
Yet here we are saying that Kai needs to bring up his conditioning and Compton needs more back thickness.... and these are guys walking around at 300 lbs off season still at single digit body fat.
We encourage them when they are on top and mock them when they start falling apart.
It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.Trust me. They know their bodies better than anyone else.
But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.
That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.
It shouldn't be legal.
If it was legal less wealthy people would be used as items and things you harvest organs from by wealthier people... Very cynical and cruel society.
I'm all for a free(er) market but there is areas that shouldn't apply to that.
The trade of organs only goes on in shitty thirld world countries.
Of course only the poor will sell their organs and the wealthy always get to buy anything they want. As it stands now the poor are exploited and the procedures are often done by unqualified people. Those people in "shitty third world countries" would be much better off if it was legal and done by legit and qualified people.
Why is it better that you can donate your kidneys anyway as long as you don't get anything out of it? Like I said, everybody else in the process makes money, just not the most important person in the process who is making the biggest contribution -- the donor.
Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.
Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?
It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.
But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.
You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.great morals there
A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?
Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.
Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.Staunch anti-capitalist!
Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?
Allowing sale of organs would cause more harm than good.
The latter part of his post sounds like he is climbing into a coffin... writing his own obituary.I agree. To have no idea what the future holds is a bit bizarre. There are many people with failing kidneys. Dialysis treatment centers are not hard to find.
"I have no idea what the future holds... but I'm extremely fortunate to have spent the past 20 years doing what I love. I have no regrets and feel thankful that I was able to purse my passion and accomplish all of the hings I ever wanted out of life."
Bah! Doom disapproves.
No it will not. More people will get a kidney they so desperately need and more people will be lifted out of poverty or a desperate financial situation with little impact to their health and well being, assuming they live a healthy life style. Both parties benefit by a mutually agreed transaction.If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.
The exploitation and harm is what is happening now because it is in the black market.
I have a friend that I've know for years who donated a kidney to his sister over twenty years ago. He is now over fifty and doesn't have any health problems. He told me that only thing he really has to do is not eat a ton of protein which he says has had zero effect on his normal diet.
Rules that apply in 3rd world countries can be kept there.
Morally sound white countries should not adopt the same morals, laws(or lack of them)
You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.
A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?
If he dies, he dies.
great morals there
wouldn't expect any less from a half mongoloid or whatever you are
If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.
Beyond that, how would a kidney sale be taxed?
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....Who is going to take a sex offenders kidney?!
If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.
Beyond that, how would a kidney sale be taxed?
I'm unworthy of such careful wording, LOL!
Someone in a third world country is never going to be going to make an informed decision on their health when looking at what $50K can do for their family in the long run. According to the WEF (World Economic Forum) the average Indian woman earns $1,185/year.
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....
Doom agrees. Hard to believe anyone can think like this. That money will be gone in less a year. What do you sell next? Bah!
Hey Pelius, we missed your input on the free market thinker thread.
I will leave yall to decide weather a human is ideally reduced to a set of components to be bought and sold.
The wonders of the free market!
;D
You may donate freely, but right now it is illegal to sell a kidney. There is talk about lifting this restriction and allowing kidneys to be sold (we already allow paid plasma, sperm, and egg donation). If kidneys could be sold, it is estimated that one would sell for $50-$80k. We all have two kidneys, but most healthy people can live a normal life with just one. So, if you could donate one kidney and live with just one… would you sell and pocket the coin?
Guy I know got one donated to him and in return donated the other guy 15K.
Ah, so you know better what the average person living in a third world country should do to improve their lives then they do. So you believe you should be the one making decisions about their lives than they should. The fact that you state the low yearly income only makes my case. Fifty grand would indeed change their lives. Besides, you over look the fact that if it were legal kidney donation would no longer be limited to the third world and their exploiters.
Now I pose you the same question, and everyone who disagrees with me for that matter, if you could save yourself or a loved one only by buying a kidney because of time constraints, would you?
The power imbalance between someone with $50K (or more) needing a kidney and some schlub in Bangladesh is too great.
If it's morally fine, allow selling organs here and see how many poor people who sell their kidneys end up on lifetime dialysis or dead.
Why not change US laws so organs could be harvested from prisoners and $50K given to crime victims? If the practice is good enough for the third world....
I was in Madagascar a few years ago, and remember getting back home and hearing of an incident happening not long after, where three European men were suspected of mutilating some local children for organ harvesting. The locals tracked the men down, tortured them, then burned them alive. :o
One of the must unjust policies ever.
Everybody in the transplant process makes money. Everybody except the actual donor.
I wouldn't donate a kidney but I can see someone in such a desperate situation that they would. But it doesn't matter if they are desperate for cash or just want a fancy car. It's none of my business. It's their body and they can do whatever they want with it.
There's always a power imbalance between the rich and the poor. It doesn't nothing to even that balance by limiting what a rich person can buy and what a poor person can sell.
How many people donating their kidneys for free end up on lifetime dialysis or dead?
And why are you avoiding my simple but very relevant question?
Do you oppose and disagree with the situation that Disgusted just related?
It might be their body but when the person with just one kidney gets older, it becomes societies problem when that person is in and out of the hospital. And like someone mentioned, donor problems are very common and that alone puts a strain on the health care system. So instead of a sick person and a healthy person, many times society has two sick people who probably aren't working and paying into the tax system. Bottom line is everyone is going to die someday. Deal the hand your dealt and move on.
Don't take my word for it:
Survival in the US http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/
Survival in third world countries. Please note where they track economic improvement in donor lives. http://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/128606
Third world countries shouldn't be organ farms for the wealthy.
Nico, the prison thing was sarcasm. :)
I thought God cured him?
Do you have any reference to back up your claim that those who donate a kidney having problems due to donating their kidney is very common.
As far as a burden to the health care system this applies to a multitude of behaviors. Do you want to limit what foods people can eat as heart disease is the number one killer and almost entirely diet related? Should we outlaw motorcycles, mountain climbing, tobacco and liquor and other risky behavior that effects your health and burdens the health care system? Do you value health and safety above personal freedom?
When you say "Bottom line is everyone is going to die someday. Deal the hand your dealt and move on." are you implying that you are against donating kidneys across the board?
If one of your children needed a kidney and you could buy one, would you? Or would you let your child die? After all, we are all going to die someday and maybe your child should just "deal with it".
Edit:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/
The overall evidence suggests that living kidney donors have survival similar to that of nondonors and that their risk of end-stage renal disease (ESRD) is not increased.
CONCLUSIONS
Survival and the risk of ESRD in carefully screened kidney donors appear to be similar to those in the general population. Most donors who were studied had a preserved GFR, normal albumin excretion, and an excellent quality of life.
Here's an interesting article on the subject. On one hand the author is saying that problems in donors are not common. And then it's says that hospitals loose track of 2/3 of all donors. They move away to another area and use other hospitals etc.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/07/02/155979681/organ-donation-has-consequences-some-donors-arent-prepared-for
1. DrKaje, do you believe that more good would be done if more people donated kidneys for free? If so, why? If not, why not?
2. And also please answer my original blanket question about what you would do if one of children needed a kidney? Would you pay for it if that was the only way to get on in time?
3. I am always up for a honest and open debate and address all the questions directed at me. Unless you have an agenda and not interested in trying to determine what's best by considering different view points, please show me equal consideration and answer my questions open and honestly.
How on earth is this ridiculous "sport" still a thing? Fucking death cult.
There's probably some "My kidneys, my choice" movement. :)
1. It should only be legal to sell organs under these conditions:
Surgery and aftercare for donors is performed in the US, UK, or place with the same level of aftercare.
Payment to donor is half the net worth of whoever pays.
2. No. Not if it meant killing someone else.
3. An answer or opinion you dislike doesn't mean the person has an agenda, is deflecting, or dishonest. I have an educated opinion on the topic (in regards to outcomes) and fundamentally disagree that a rich person's live has more value than someone who is poor.
In terms of kidneys freely donated: We already have that. The issue people take exception to is that the rich aren't entitled to skip others on the waiting list.
How on earth is this ridiculous "sport" still a thing? Fucking death cult.
Let me address your third point first.
What are you talking about? My issue was that you were not answering my question. How can I dislike your answer when I got none? You were just giving me your point of view. That is an indication that you are not interested in an honest debate.
Now back to your first point. That doesn't answer what seemed to me a very simply question. Do you believe that it would be a good thing if MORE people donated kidneys to those that need them. If not, why not. If yes, why? Your answer, though off the point indicated to me that you do in fact support the selling of kidneys as long as adequate care is provided which I agree and taken as a given and also as long as you get to dictate the price.
So the issue is not the selling of kidneys but just how much one can sell it for. It's either free or half the net worth of the buyer.
Now for your second point: Again I ask you a simple straight forward question but instead of a straight forward answer you add in "not if it meant killing someone else." Why did you add that in? I didn't ask if you would buy a kidney from someone if it meant killing that person. That changes the context completely. I asked if you would buy a kidney to save a loved one. No one dies. Just answer a straight question with a straight answer. That's what I mean when I say I suspect someone has an agenda. They aren't open and honest and always try to obfuscate the issue. "if it meant killing someone else." Jeeze. ::) You rewrite a simple question that changes the contest entirely to avoid answering the original straight forward question. Reeks of promoting your agenda and point of view than an honest and open debate.
And again, the rich always have more opportunities and options than those that are not rich. How do we make things better by limiting the options of the rich? So people without options don't get a kidney and people with options don't get a kidney. People without options don't get world class medical care and people with options don't get world class medical care. How is that better? Because we can't save everyone we should save no one. Rich people can't live in mansions as long as there are poor people living in card board boxes? It's like what Churchill said about Socialism versus Capitalism. What would you rather have: an equal sharing of misery or an unequal sharing of blessings? Everybody suffers or some do and some don't suffer. Are you willing to give up your blessed and privilege life you got just by being born here. A blessing you did nothing to earn or deserved. Or do you want to join the ranks of the destitute and give up what you have in the name of cosmic justice?
In this brutal, cruel and unjust world; the choice is rarely between good and bad but between bad and worse.
Because we, all of us here, watch and follow it.
Pellius, would you sell YOUR kidney?
Perhaps my answer was too simple. 88% of people in those third world countries have serious complication. Their outcomes and life expectancies can't be legitimately compared to US donors. You seem to be under the impression that people sell a kidney in those countries get all the money and have great lives. Most of the money goes to aftercare and they end up fucked even worse. In fact, it's not uncommon for the spouse to sell a kidney for the first donor's medical expenses. It's not something I'd want to participate in.
My conditions don't limit options of the rich.
All us?
The power imbalance between someone with $50K (or more) needing a kidney and some schlub in Bangladesh is too great.
If it's morally fine, allow selling organs here and see how many poor people who sell their kidneys end up on lifetime dialysis or dead.
Pellius, would you sell YOUR kidney?
He's well-off and in a first world country. His life is worth more than theirs. :)
You are right
Third world devalued currencies would allow people from wealthy countries to allure poor families into organ trade.
e.g., the miminum wage in Peru is 750 PEN (222 american dollars a month).
USD 50,000 represent 20 years of minimun wage for a peruvian guy.
Jobless, uneducated people would fall for it.
PD: selling organs is illegal in every south-american country.
PD: Pellius is fvcking stupid
Free market ::)
You don't follow bodybuilding?
No, but only 'cause it's fucking stupid.
So are you saying that it's better for a poor person to get pennies for selling their kidneys to corrupt harvesters than to get a qualified and registered physician perform the procedure and the donor get 50 grand American dollars?
If you could save the life of a loved one by buying a kidney would you do it or would you let your love one die?
You sure do enjoy petty arguments, pellius.
As of today there are 74,000 Americans are awaiting a kidney transplant while enduring painful, exhausting and expensive hours hooked up to dialysis machines. Every day, about 17 Americans die while waiting for a transplant.
You consider that petty?
Corrupt harvester?
You think it's like the movies where you just call a couple guys from the black market and they get you a kidney ASAP? ???
It doesn't work that way. Those rumors are bull$hit. You just can't go around stealing kidneys like they were cellphones. ::)
I don't have the right to destroy someone else's life in order to save someone I love. I'd donate mine to my brother and that's it. My parents are old, they wouldn't let me do it for them.
So you haven't heard of Danny Padilla, Ken Waller, Samir Bannout?
You don't know who won the Mr. Olympia in 1980?This is pretty obscure knowledge.
Only people who don't follow bodybuilding or have over 19,000 posts on a bodybuilding board would say they don't know this.
Arguing on here isn't going to fix that and you know it. Don't strawman now, mate.
It was nothing more than a keen observation I made.
I do. But this is still pre-stupid.
So you consider those involve in the black market recruiting organ donors as trusted and honest brokers?
So you would let a love one die rather than pay for a kidney.
And I'm the immoral one.
And destroy whose life? "It doesn't work that way. Those rumors are bull$shit." You should educate yourself before making uninformed comments. Again you missed the post where I mentioned a person who donated a kidney over twenty years ago and is doing fine just like the majority of those who donate kidneys in this country. And those in the third world would have the same medical conditions as those in this country if it was legal.
And you obviously missed this post as well. Again, please inform and educate yourself if you want to debate me.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3559132/
The overall evidence suggests that living kidney donors have survival similar to that of nondonors and that their risk of end-stage renal disease (ESRD) is not increased.
CONCLUSIONS
Survival and the risk of ESRD in carefully screened kidney donors appear to be similar to those in the general population. Most donors who were studied had a preserved GFR, normal albumin excretion, and an excellent quality of life.
Not going to debate your bull$hit.
Look, you doofus. There are far too many poor families from third world countries. Devalued currencies turn first-world people into very wealthy guys when they go to those countries.
It's not moral to take advantage from them. Don't copy paste me a link about life expectancy ::) Quality of life is already very low in third world countries.
Poor, uneducated people would fall for it. They would probably use the money to build a house and that's it. How much money is the goverment going to spend on them? What a deal, huh? Moron.
Yes, and lets keep them poor by not allowing them access to real American dollars and real American medical treatment by keeping it in the corrupt black market.
And of course you can't debate me. You're not even close to my level of rational discourse. Hence the personal insults and epic meltdown.
You lose.
Next.
I insult you cause I'm annoyed at your level of stupidity.
Yet you can't refute my arguments.
You are uninformed and uneducated.
You're out of your league here.
Yes, and lets keep them poor by not allowing them access to real American dollars and real American medical treatment by keeping it in the corrupt black market.
What arguments you idiot? You're in the same intellectual level as Wiggs and The Coach.
This is ridiculous. Yeah, "give me one kidney, your quality of life is going to increase because I give you USD 50,000"
"Pan para hoy, hambre para mañana "Bread for today, hunger for tomorrow"
Poor people will build a house and that's it. You know what most poor people do for a living? Jobs involving physical effort. Are you gonna copy past something to convince me that they would work as hard as always with one kidney less?
I'm from a third world country, I know people who work in banana plantations, doing strenous physical effort in a hot and sunny day, with 30 celsius degrees, 5-6 DAYS A WEEK, dehydrated as hell. You think giving them USD 50,000 for a kidney is going to improve their life in the long run?
And the medical treament they'd have to undergo, in the long run, goverments are going to pay A LOT. You still think is a great deal?
I have both a Bachelors and Masters from UCLA and if we both had to take an SAT cold I would humiliate you as I am doing now.
If we were in person and both given those "man on the street" interviews where they ask basic questions like "What century did the Civil War take place?' you would be laughably exposed as the uneducated ignoramus that you are.
Seriously, when was the last time you ever read a book?
But keep posting your meltdowns. It just continues to prove how I just crushed you mentally on this thread.
I have taken the TOEFL and GRE tests. Those are official american tests taken by the ETS (Educational Testing Service).
I did fvcking great on the TOEFL.
I did pretty, pretty well on the quantitative section of the GRE. The verbal section not so much (way harder than the TOEFL and english is not my first language). I have a degree in engineering.
You come off as an idiot. Hope this helps.
And that explains your third world education.
Let people decide for themselves how 50 grand will effect their lives you fascist.
More like, it makes me aware how bad the idea is. ;)
It didn't take much to get in your head and own your little mind.
Yawn. Weak comeback.
You ignore two very straight forward and relevant questions.
OK, so you are not interested in an honest debate just promoting your agenda and preconceived point of view.
That's it. Let's settle this once and for all.
Everyone post up your SAT scores and bank accounts!
Run-off voting, if needed, will consist of pictures of your wife.