IFBB pro Beau Baisden - kidney failure

[drkaje]

One of the must unjust policies ever.

Everybody in the transplant process makes money. Everybody except the actual donor.

I wouldn't donate a kidney but I can see someone in such a desperate situation that they would. But it doesn't matter if they are desperate for cash or just want a fancy car. It's none of my business. It's their body and they can do whatever they want with it.

It happens a lot in 3rd world countries. From what I've read: Outcomes aren't very good in donors.

[DroppingPlates]

Even Tom tried competing when deathly ill. I remember him dropping out of a pro show when his lungs kept filling up with fluid backstage due to the kidney failure.

Damn..

[pellius]

Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.

I'm not sure. There are some that stop juicing altogether that don't have health problems. Someone like Bob Paris or that Arab guy, Mustafa I think is his name. Then there's Tom Prince.

I think for some you just wake up one day and have an epiphany and ask yourself what the hell have you been doing to yourself all these years. Maybe even more so when you are having organ failure.

Yet here we are saying that Kai needs to bring up his conditioning and Compton needs more back thickness.... and these are guys walking around at 300 lbs off season still at single digit body fat.

We encourage them when they are on top and mock them when they start falling apart.

[pellius]

It happens a lot in 3rd world countries. From what I've read: Outcomes aren't very good in donors.

That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.

[Coffeed]

In this day and age, everyone knows. It's like cigarette smoking.

I don't agree with that.

Also, look at how many decades and millions of dollars went into anti smoking.

And yet, here we are today and the IFBB has a solid anti drug policy and the athletes claim its all nutrient timing and hard work. This is the polar opposite of informing the public and everything that is cigarettes.

[MAXX]

That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.

It shouldn't be legal.

If it was legal less wealthy people would be used as items and things you harvest organs from by wealthier people... Very cynical and cruel society.

I'm all for a free(er) market but there is areas that shouldn't apply to that.

The trade of organs only goes on in shitty thirld world countries.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm not sure. There are some that stop juicing altogether that don't have health problems. Someone like Bob Paris or that Arab guy, Mustafa I think is his name. Then there's Tom Prince.

I think for some you just wake up one day and have an epiphany and ask yourself what the hell have you been doing to yourself all these years. Maybe even more so when you are having organ failure.

Yet here we are saying that Kai needs to bring up his conditioning and Compton needs more back thickness.... and these are guys walking around at 300 lbs off season still at single digit body fat.

We encourage them when they are on top and mock them when they start falling apart.

It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.

But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.

[Coffeed]

It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.

But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.

Trust me. They know their bodies better than anyone else.

[drkaje]

That's because it's illegal. If it was legal we could get rid of the harvesters that take advantage of these poor and desperate souls and give them pennies while they take the bulk of the loot.

Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.

Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?

[Van_Bilderass]

I read that some in China had sold a kidney to be able to buy an Iphone. Was in the news a while back

[pellius]

It shouldn't be legal.

If it was legal less wealthy people would be used as items and things you harvest organs from by wealthier people... Very cynical and cruel society.

I'm all for a free(er) market but there is areas that shouldn't apply to that.

The trade of organs only goes on in shitty thirld world countries.

Of course only the poor will sell their organs and the wealthy always get to buy anything they want. As it stands now the poor are exploited and the procedures are often done by unqualified people. Those people in "shitty third world countries" would be much better off if it was legal and done by legit and qualified people.

Why is it better that you can donate your kidneys anyway as long as you don't get anything out of it? Like I said, everybody else in the process makes money, just not the most important person in the process who is making the biggest contribution -- the donor.
  

[drkaje]

Allowing sale of organs would cause more harm than good.

[MAXX]

Of course only the poor will sell their organs and the wealthy always get to buy anything they want. As it stands now the poor are exploited and the procedures are often done by unqualified people. Those people in "shitty third world countries" would be much better off if it was legal and done by legit and qualified people.

Why is it better that you can donate your kidneys anyway as long as you don't get anything out of it? Like I said, everybody else in the process makes money, just not the most important person in the process who is making the biggest contribution -- the donor.
  

Rules that apply in 3rd world countries can be kept there.

Morally sound white countries should not adopt the same morals, laws(or lack of them)

[pellius]

Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.

Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?

You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.

A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?

 

[pellius]

It happens, some have a sort of epiphany as you say, just like you hear of alcoholics waking up one day saying that's it I quit.

But it's rare, guys keep juicing after liver transplants, kidney failure, heart failure etc. As the problems first arise, the first real scare, most swear they are done for good. A few weeks later they start thinking how much juice they can now get away with. Seen many such examples on forums.

Well, I'll defer to your insight as you are more knowledgeable about this cult than I am.

[MAXX]

You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.

A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?

 

great morals there

wouldn't expect any less from a half mongoloid or whatever you are

[Victor VonDoom]

Beau will NOT stop juicing now, that's a guarantee.
No one this deep into the game ever stops, they'd rather die.

The latter part of his post sounds like he is climbing into a coffin... writing his own obituary.

"I have no idea what the future holds... but I'm extremely fortunate to have spent the past 20 years doing what I love. I have no regrets and feel thankful that I was able to purse my passion and accomplish all of the things I ever wanted out of life."

Bah!  Doom disapproves.

[El Diablo Blanco]

If he dies, he dies.

[Coffeed]

Ahhhhhh! So WE could be the ones taking advantage of them.

Let's put this in cultural context: People will actually break their children's legs in India because crippled beggars get a little bit more money. People pull their kids out of school and indenture them to factories for the equivalent of what a bag of groceries cost in India. People would be harming their children so fat fucks, drug users, or whatever other reason people blow out a kidney can pollute the earth a little longer?

Staunch anti-capitalist!

[pellius]

Allowing sale of organs would cause more harm than good.

No it will not. More people will get a kidney they so desperately need and more people will be lifted out of poverty or a desperate financial situation with little impact to their health and well being, assuming they live a healthy life style. Both parties benefit by a mutually agreed transaction.

The exploitation and harm is what is happening now because it is in the black market.

I have a friend that I've know for years who donated a kidney to his sister over twenty years ago. He is now over fifty and doesn't have any health problems. He told me that only thing he really has to do is not eat a ton of protein which he says has had zero effect on his normal diet.

[Coffeed]

The latter part of his post sounds like he is climbing into a coffin... writing his own obituary.

"I have no idea what the future holds... but I'm extremely fortunate to have spent the past 20 years doing what I love. I have no regrets and feel thankful that I was able to purse my passion and accomplish all of the hings I ever wanted out of life."

Bah!  Doom disapproves.

I agree. To have no idea what the future holds is a bit bizarre. There are many people with failing kidneys. Dialysis treatment centers are not hard to find.

We know precisely what the future holds barring some divine intervention.

[Coffeed]

No it will not. More people will get a kidney they so desperately need and more people will be lifted out of poverty or a desperate financial situation with little impact to their health and well being, assuming they live a healthy life style. Both parties benefit by a mutually agreed transaction.

The exploitation and harm is what is happening now because it is in the black market.

I have a friend that I've know for years who donated a kidney to his sister over twenty years ago. He is now over fifty and doesn't have any health problems. He told me that only thing he really has to do is not eat a ton of protein which he says has had zero effect on his normal diet.

If you think an influx of 50 grand to the average destitute person will "lift" them out of poverty then I'm going to be forthright and admit we just can't even get started discussing things.

Beyond that, how would a kidney sale be taxed?

[pellius]

Rules that apply in 3rd world countries can be kept there.

Morally sound white countries should not adopt the same morals, laws(or lack of them)

Why would we? If it was allowed it would then we would eliminate the exploiters who often will take your organs anyway and leave you for dead.

We'll see what you will say if ever you or a love one ever needs a kidney.

[drkaje]

You seem to over look the fact that the buying and selling of organs is already going on. The fact that it is illegal to sell what you own is where the exploitation begins. And, no, it wouldn't be legal for a minor to sell his kidney. Minors don't have the same rights as adults.

A simple law of economics: any transaction takes place because both parties feel that they are better off. A person will spend a ton of money for a kidney because he thinks it is worth the cost. A person will sell one of his kidney because he believes he will be better off. What right do you have to tell the donor that he's wrong? We can agree that if someone actually donates for free his kidney that he is not better off. He is giving something very precious away and receives nothing in return. Do you believe that you have the right to tell him that he can't donate his kidney for free?

 

I'm unworthy of such careful wording, LOL!

Someone in a third world country is never going to be going to make an informed decision on their health when looking at what $50K can do for their family in the long run. According to the WEF (World Economic Forum) the average Indian woman earns $1,185/year.

[Victor VonDoom]

If he dies, he dies.

Doom sees what you did there.  Bah ha ha ha ha