Why arent there any?
poor exercise form would be my number one guess, never seen so many people as I do with brews over the years who have the shittiest nonsensical form when it comes to lifting weights who gain muscle despite all that, with the lower body the obvious exception as most have calves and thighs that resemble chopsticks
Why arent there any?black Americans could probably do really well at this 'sport' but why should they when they can excel in bball, NFL, baseball, boxing, athletics etc instead, for much much higher rewards?
Yep. You almost never see other races with shitty form. ::)
re-read what I said, which is in essence that people from other races don't tend to produce muscle results like blacks do when they also use shitty form. It's not that all blacks use shitty form, but the ones that do the majority of them get great results despite having atrocious form
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
You do know powerlifting is a different sport than Olympic weightlifting, right?
Of course you don't.
Your whole post reads like one who hasn't the foggiest notion.
In most every way, you're one dumb fuckwich.
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
Oh, yeah. Powerlifting is soooo much more popular. ::)
The truth hurts. Deal with it.
What's that have to do with ... anything I said?
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.Powerlifting isn't in the Olympics, hth
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
Same goes with chess.
And swimming.And jobs
I always found it strange too. With their superior athletic ability and naturally higher T levels, you'd think that all strength sports (not just PL) would have a higher amount of black competitors.
I think it may be down to bone structure and the strength of tendons, ligaments and joints.
It would be good if a proper study is done regarding this subject though.
I don't believe the notion that the lack of money is the reason why we see a lack of blacks in these sports since people will always gravitate to what they are good at.
And jobs
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
Whites have fast twitch muscles
Hebrews have slow twitch
We'd dominate lol you've never dominated anything In your life.He had a job for a month or two in a footlocker when he was 40
I do wonder if it's more of an optical illusion, than we think. Blacks are only 12-13% of the US population, so it would be interesting to see an account of how many black folks attend the big meets. Also most of the black countries don't have a history in the strength sports like the US, and especially the former Eastern Bloc. Perhaps money has kept them out of it that way. A sports ball or sneakers is still a lot cheaper than a weight room. As a side note, American blacks were very well represented when the US still gave a crap about its standing in Olympic Lifting.
You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?
You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?
Mark Henry would be the closest at 220 kg
Even amongst pro bodybuilders, there has always been the knowledge that exceptional strength is much more observant in the white ranks.
Whites are built thicker, heavier and more robust. Think Dorian versus Wheeler.
Same goes with chess.http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/04/23/475125081/chess-for-progress-how-a-grandmaster-is-using-the-game-to-teach-life-skills (http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/04/23/475125081/chess-for-progress-how-a-grandmaster-is-using-the-game-to-teach-life-skills)
Blacks have millenniums of ancestry running around in hot weather, eating twigs and berries and building bamboo shacks, throwing spears and quickly dicking women found in the bush.
Whites have eaten meat, built structures of wood and stone and lived lives requiring brute strength over fleet-footed maneuverability and lived in societies where survival of the fittest favoured a mix of intelligence and endurance over athleticism.
Hahahahahaha. Made me lol in McDonald's.
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
if hebrews aren't powerlifting it's not genetics
the entire population in north america was invited for their abilities to complete agricultural labour tasks
I would hazard a guess at financial reasons, it' s more of a "hobby" and a lot of folks simply don't have time for such nonsense.
You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.???
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?
I can name a few dozen -I've never heard of any of them.
1) Ray Williams 6) Rick Grizzly Brown 11) Greg Beetle Lowe 16) Robert Wilkerson 21) Richard Hawthorne 26) Orlando Green
2) Don Blue 7) CT Fletcher 12) Walter Thomas 17) Steve Goggins 22) Joe Morrow 27) M Henry
3) Lamar Gant 8) Dave Shaw 13) John Gamble 18) Joe Bradley 23) Tony Conyers 28) Sly Crumbley
4) OD Wilson 9) Tee Myers 14) Paul Dicks 19) Bull Stewart 24) Dan Austin 29) Curtis Leslie
5) Jim Williams 10) Gene Bell 15) James Henderson 20) Al Davis 25) Doc Holloway 30) *Strongman M Felix
31) Rock Lewis 32) Precious McKenzie 33) Dondell Blue
Technically, you can throw Ronnie Coleman (early years), and Johnnie Jackson in there too, if you wanted.
* Not PL, but close.
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Big Lenny and Blaha are renowned powerlifters as well.Lenny's buddy Andrew was legit. There's a video out there where they're in a meet and Andrew benched something ridiculous, I think it was 650 raw. Made it look easy too.
But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?
But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?
I've never heard of any of them.
But then again,I don't follow powerlifting in depth.
But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?
They really aren't the same. I've been working out regularly for nearly 20 years and have belonged to some relatively serious gyms. At most of the gyms I've belonged to, there were easy ins to bodybuilding. There's almost always a group of hardcore muscleheads. A few of the gyms I trained at had pros who worked out there, too. I actually don't remember any of the gyms I belonged to having serious power lifting/ strength training crews. The guys training for muscular size are still strong, but they're not really overlapping communities. Powerlifting and strength communities are still way more cultish. From a practical perspective, most people's primary objectives in regards to physical fitness are superficial. So just taking that into account, it's easy to understand why the appeal is different.
Why would their ancestors would be brought here from across the ocean to lift heavy things if they are genetically weak?
???
here's a study:
Black males were significantly stronger in bench press at initial-recruit and at in-service than white males.
http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1604&context=ijes
They aren't the same but they do overlap IME. Many powerlifters originally started training for bodybuilding purposes but switched once they realized that strength rather than aesthetics was their forte. Most people train to look better but everyone who has ever trained consistently would have trained heavy at some point and attempted a 1RM on a few exercises. Almost all top bodybuilders have incorporated powerlifting methods into their routines at times. If you find yourself genetically gifted for strength, you will automatically want to work towards that. People will gravitate to what they are good at.
Who said anything about blacks being genetically weak?
There have been many world class strength athletes that were black. The point is that there is noticeable lack of black competitors in the field of strength athletics.
What does slavery have to do with this? That was done purely for free labour.
I'm aware of that study as well as other studies showing blacks having naturally higher T levels. This is why I said it was odd that blacks tend to be underrepresented not just in powerlifting, but in strongman, weightlifting and other Olympic strength events (shot put, hammer throw…etc). I think the point NordicNerd made above has a lot of truth in it. Blacks tend to be slimmer around the waist and hips which may be a disadvantage when it comes to absolute strength in the compound lifts.
hmm well I'd be curious to see if that's true regarding the bone structure. We do know that black folks have higher bone density, lean body mass etc. If someone can present something objective beyond simply fairytale type claims then I'd love to see it.
If you compare Paul Anderson to Mark Henry you can see a difference in structure that you're talking about but it doesn't seem to affect performance.
They aren't the same but they do overlap IME. Many powerlifters originally started training for bodybuilding purposes but switched once they realized that strength rather than aesthetics was their forte. Most people train to look better but everyone who has ever trained consistently would have trained heavy at some point and attempted a 1RM on a few exercises. Almost all top bodybuilders have incorporated powerlifting methods into their routines at times. If you find yourself genetically gifted for strength, you will automatically want to work towards that. People will gravitate to what they are good at.
hmm well I'd be curious to see if that's true regarding the bone structure. We do know that black folks have higher bone density, lean body mass etc. If someone can present something objective beyond simply fairytale type claims then I'd love to see it.
If you compare Paul Anderson to Mark Henry you can see a difference in structure that you're talking about but it doesn't seem to affect performance.
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You seemed to overlook the main point of my previous post. I didn't say that powerlifting and bodybuilding techniques don't overlap, but that the communities don't . Almost every gym has some sort of bodybuilding community. Most gyms don't have serious or even casual powerlifting communities. If you are exceptionally strong, you are most likely hanging out/ working out with the bodybuilding guys, who are also strong.
Pretty much my point. If you exceptionally strong, you are likely going to consider entering a PL meet because that is where you can best display your strength. Most of the strongest bodybuilder's did partake in a PL event at one stage during their career's (ie. Coleman, O'Hearn..etc). It's niche, but so is wearing thong and posing on stage.
No, that's exactly the opposite of your point. Your point is that if you are exceptionally strong you are going to consider entering a PL meet. My point is that if you are exceptionally strong, you are likely NOT going to consider PL because statistically your exposure to that community not that great. Sure bodybuilding is niche, but powerlifting is far, far more niche. Like I said, very few gyms have people lifted in powerlifting while most have people interested in bodybuilding.
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.
I know some black powerlifters. As Wiggs said, there is no money in the sport. So, those people that do it, do it for the love of the sport. Not for money.
PS: everyone in that sport seems to have at least 1 or 2 major injuries (torn pec, torn tri, torn bi, knee injury)
Why the fuck aren't you going to consider entering a PL meet if you happen to be exceptionally strong? ???
Even with zero exposure to PL, your peers would suggest it if they see you reguarly hoisting up heavy weights.
Most of the strongest BB's entered PL meets at one point.
No offence but you aren't clued up on this topic. The fact you thought PL was an Olympic event kinda proves that.
The same could be said of BB though. Do you think people enter BB shows for the money? There is zero financial incentive in any of these things. It's all about personal accomplishment.
The same could be said of BB though. Do you think people enter BB shows for the money? There is zero financial incentive in any of these things. It's all about personal accomplishment.
I have bad news for you Al, no other country has medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years either.
Because when they see a red light, they start running.
No, it doesn't. As a matter of fact, the fact that I- a gym rat- would confuse pl with an Olympic event kinda proves the opposite.
Most of the strongest BBs who enter PL meets do so AFTER gaining notoriety as bodybuilders and reputations for their strength. They don't enter PL meets because their friends see them lifting heavy. They enter bodybuilding contests because their friends see they have good bodybuilding genetics.
I think that bodybuilding attracts people that have a lot of "vanity"... or insecurity... or those people that like attention (a common trait in today's world)
Whereas powerlifting = injuries, no money, no attention
Once again, it's a different scene. Just take the race factor out of it. More people are interested in looking like bodybuilders than being powerlifters. Guys want to be strong, but they want those results to be evident in their physiques. So, you've got a huge pool of guys and girls who want to look good and you have contests that sort of feed their ego. Powerlifting is just a completely different scene. People comment on bodybuilders when they are walking down the street in clothes. Not the same for powerlifters. So money doesn't have to be the driving factor because there are rewards for ego. EVEN THEN, the potential for fame and for money SEEMS way greater in bodybuilding than it does for powerlifting. Instagram followers, magazines, tours, etc.
If you are genetically blessed in terms of physique, you'll look at doing a BB show. If you excel at strength, you'll look at entering a PL meet. That's pretty much how I see it. If you are good at something, you work towards that.
I agree that most aspire to look like BB's but most care little for actual BB contests. It's not healthy, provides no real financial rewards and has only a niche following consisting of mostly schmoes and other competitors. There was an article just the other day regarding the lack of interest in BB shows.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=609082.0
Fitness and physique models like Lazar Angelov have more followers on social media than the pro's these days.
??? These things don't really dispute my last post. Whether or not bodybuilding is a niche, pl is an even smaller niche. Like you admit , there are more people who aspire to look like a bodybuilder, so a fraction of those people compete. There are way fewer people who aspire to be powerlifters, so the fraction who compete is way smaller.
Are there any powerlifters who have social media followings comparable to Kai or Phil? ( I honestly don't know.)
The average person doesn't give a fuck about either. Strongman is probably more popular than both since it is televised globally and gets millions of viewers worldwide.
Most top BB's and PL's didn't originally start training with the goal of actually competing in those fields, they only got into it once it became apparent that they had a talent for it.
... which only supports my argument that it comes down to exposure. The simple fact of the matter is that you are far more likely to find a group of bodybuilders at your average gym than a group of powerlifters.
... which only supports my argument that it comes down to exposure. The simple fact of the matter is that you are far more likely to find a group of bodybuilders at your average gym than a group of powerlifters.
perhaps but exposure these days normally comes from the internet. kids dont walk into a gym before they log on to youtube, and youtube powerlifters have a pretty decent following
Where about do you live? In all the UK gyms I've been to, I've met roughly a similar number of men who competed in PL and BB. It's usually quite rare though to meet actual competitors in either.
There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.
NN
There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.
NN
New York City. 3 of my last 5 gyms (including my current) had pros training there. I have some buddies who are amateur competitors. I was a member of a gym a few years back when Juan Morel, Akim Williams and Armando Pena worked out there. All strong guys, Akim especially. Probably would do decently in powerlifting, but he got into bodybuilding because someone in the bodybuilding industry told him he had potential. That particular gym was a serious bodybuilding gym- no powerlifters that I can recall, but a lot of strong guys. Boxers, physique competitors, models, runners.
Those gyms are like Golds gym Venice. They produce good guys, great physiques, but no Olympia winners. It seems that many of the O winners come from obscure gyms. And the most dominate of modern O winners came from the South and and England. And all three had in common was a great work ethic.
New York City. 3 of my last 5 gyms (including my current) had pros training there. I have some buddies who are amateur competitors. I was a member of a gym a few years back when Juan Morel, Akim Williams and Armando Pena worked out there. All strong guys, Akim especially. Probably would do decently in powerlifting, but he got into bodybuilding because someone in the bodybuilding industry told him he had potential. That particular gym was a serious bodybuilding gym- no powerlifters that I can recall, but a lot of strong guys. Boxers, physique competitors, models, runners.
Two reasons:
1. Powerlifting requires intense training, rather than bodybuilding-style "working out". Brews are not terribly interested in gut-busting work.
2. Chocolate faces have never, in general, been able to compete successfully with whites in pure strength sports.
I have bad news for you Al, no other country has medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years either.
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I never said blacks were not good players, just that there is none of the domination you see in the NFL/NBLDid you forget this guy?
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team france
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Did you forget this guy?
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G_Thang already spoke on this subject.
Ronaldinho- a good example of the benefits of genetic diversity :). Maybe 50/50 black/white, or some other ethnicity as well?In America Ronaldinho is black. He would get treated like a black man in America and seen as one in pretty much every part of the world. In Latin America, due to his complexion/skin tone, he would be seen as more favorable, less Negro (look at what Sammy Sosa did to himself).
Anyway- I dislike the way Wiggs think (although the word "think" is giving him too much credit) about race. He writes as though blacks are one group. Africa is a continent- a rather large one too. Northern africans are very different from southern/western/eastern africans. Different african ethnicities excel at different sports. Western africans are the best sprinters. Northern and eastern africans are long- or mid-distance runners etc. By not differentiating, he actually contributes to oversimplifications and primitive racial stereotyping.
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In America Ronaldinho is black. He would get treated like a black man in America and seen as one in pretty much every part of the world. In Latin America, due to his complexion/skin tone, he would be seen as more favorable, less Negro (look at what Sammy Sosa did to himself).
In a sense, Wiggs is correct. In some aspects black people are thought of in a monolithic sense.
And even East Africans (Ethiopians, etc) have been known to make fun of their Western African brethren due to the differences in facial features (Some Ethiopian ethnicities with their sharper noses compared to wider noses of West Africans). What you said has been widely known. Genetic diversity and adaptations to environments.
Funny how the nigs on here feel strength sports would be dominated my negros but they simply don't want to compete at it as there is no money in it, there isn't much money on welfare either but plenty choose to be on it rather than get a fucking job or does this just apply to sports??
German world champions
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try googling "best soccer nation in history" and report back on your findings.
looking forward to this information!
World Cup 2014
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.
Germany national football team: record v Brazil
Games won: 5
Games drawn: 5
Games lost: 12
http://www.11v11.com/teams/germany/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Brazil/
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Our gold medalists in Olympic lifting are making real money in the NFL. Olympic lifting requires power and strength. The same as the NFL except you can make millions there.
I never said blacks were not good players, just that there is none of the domination you see in the NFL/NBL
The King of football
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http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=63869/profile.html
Pele was good they say. Does not prove black domination of soccer. Race don't matter in soccer imo.
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Brasil had a good team in the past, but were beaten to a pulp by the white German team in 2014. Barcelona was for years the best club in the world, but almost no black players. Race don't matter in soccer. Brazilian players are mostly of mixed ethnicity anyway.There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.
Also, never an African word cup champion ever. Why?
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There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.
Those gyms are like Golds gym Venice. They produce good guys, great physiques, but no Olympia winners. It seems that many of the O winners come from obscure gyms. And the most dominate of modern O winners came from the South and and England. And all three had in common was a great work ethic.
Akim has some serious potential, but his back detail and thickness doesn't match his front, which shows a lack of priority/or work ethic. And he has that "thick skin" look that is hard to dry out---John Sherman, Edgar Fletcher, Vic Richards, Brandon Curry, and Beyeke all have or had that problem. Akim is strong as an ox, but if he got into shape, he'd do pretty well. Maybe a real dark horse in the future.
Juan Morel seems to be not interested in putting in the work. Maybe too pretty for it?
sorry, Brazil has dominated soccer and the best player ever *the king* is black
keep dreaming
I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.Brazil and Latin America's (and the US to an extent) racial politics show that it is not a happy message.
But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.
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There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.
Our gold medalists in Olympic lifting are making real money in the NFL. Olympic lifting requires power and strength. The same as the NFL except you can make millions there.
Bingo. Powerlifting is for strong dudes who are too slow/unathletic to excel in any other sport
Brazil and Latin America's (and the US to an extent) racial politics show that it is not a happy message.
The lighter you are, the prettier, and you are of better status. The more negro, the opposite. In many Latin American countries, to associate with the term or word "negro" or black, is seen as a negative---it means poor, ugly, etc.
If I am correct, the saying in Brazil is "A white woman for marriage, a mulata woman for sex, and a black woman for work", oddly in Brazil the mulata is often a brown to light brown skinned black woman. The "black woman" is dark skinned. And Pele himself has an adversion to black women.
Basically, Euros have propped themselves up as the standard bearer and people of color seek validation.
There is no Utopia of mixed race equality.
A good blog to read.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/ (https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/)
To determine if this term is fair one would have to ask if the majority assimilate well and respect your way of life, or do they see their own ideological religious belief (Islam) as superior and stick to that?
I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.
But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.
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you said you see "none the dominance from from Africans in soccer"
you must be dreaming.
I guess you're softening your position now but you need to accept that it's an absurd thing to say when the most dominant player in history is a black man. This is not my opinion that's just what the historians say.
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.
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He was correct though. He never said that they aren't any great black players. He said there is no black dominance in soccer - which is true.
Read what Wiggs wrote and his response:
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance? ok I get it you mean "teams".
this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans!
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.
haha ok so here we go again, Babe Ruth did not compete against blacks so yes it's not an argument that is even possible to make. Not that making an intelligible argument will limit this mental schema.
If the Congo won the World Cup you guys would come up with some type explaination for it to exclude African dominance.
As we can see, the mental gymnastics required are very impressive! Bordering on mania!
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance? ok I get it you mean "teams".
this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans!
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance? ok I get it you mean "teams".Maradona is the greatest soccer player of all time
this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans!
Maradona is the greatest soccer player of all time
Maradona has skill but the experts point to three world cups, innovation, skills and scoring records for pele.
In general, white's are just superior to achieve elite absolute strength.
Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.
If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?
Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?
They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.
All due respect to Pele and Maradona, but Messi is godlike. Look at this video- the main difference compared to Maradona and Pele is the tempo of it all. Modern football is very different from that of the 70s or even the 80s.
The Arnold Classic Powerlifting winner gets $1000
nobody cares about powerlifters
sorry but all the tears fall on deaf ears
Messi and Maradona were/are better than Pele. Neither are black. Besides, how you can define racial "dominance" in a sport based on a single player is beyond me. I will try to make my point clearer.
In the US, what is the proportion of players of african descent in NBL or the NFL? What is the proportion of people of african descent in the general US population? My guess is that in the NBL, the majority of the players performing above the 90th percentile (points etc...) are black, while the proportion in the general population according to Wikipedia is only 12.9 percent. That is dominance according to relative proportion!
You see nothing like that in soccer, except perhaps in France, where the national team had many black players relative to the general demographics. Maybe it would be best to look at the world cup statistics? How does the african teams perform? What is the proportion of african players performing at the top 90th percentile or above relative to the total demographical composition of all participating players? You could conveniently operationalize performance as goals scored or as assists. My guess is that you will see that there is no black dominance in the world cup. Further, no african team ever won. Brasil is an outlier, and to me, defining the race of many Brazilian players is difficult. They are mixed white, indian, black etc. Only a few are of pure african descent. I am not saying blacks are not good soccer players- I just say they are like any other ethnic group.
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Some men do just for the thrill of doing.::)
Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.
Some men still believe in being men
Some men do just for the thrill of doing.
Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.
Some men still believe in being men
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In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.
Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.
If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?
Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?
They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.
the argument doesn't work when you say "you see nothing" then go on to list the top player and the top team as the "exceptions".
this is simply unacceptable and smacks as an another desperate attempt to *whitewash* history!
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I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.
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I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.
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I have not made any such claims. You plainly stated that you see "none of the dominance" in soccer. I pointed out that it's a crazy thing to say. If you want me to make an assessment of dominance I'd have to review the data but what I do know is that the claim above is outrageous.
A good place to start would be to define the meaning of the word dominance and to operationalize it in order to evaluate it.
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In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.
Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.
If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?
Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?
They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.
winner of the best European soccer player poll of the last 50 years is Zidane. Of course his parents are both Africans.And he's white
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Golden_Jubilee_Poll
Hahaha bald headed racist who knew lolz
Now you do, dink.
Interesting chart. Soccer players make 20x as much in Europe than the US.
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Team USA 2014
(http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/mnt/team/2014/2014-world-cup/road-to-the-roster/roadtotheroster_30camp1n1t_final_1200x720)
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Yes typical canadian nazi cop please fulfill your steriotypre for everyone lol...
the French teams that managed to beat the Brazilians in world cup a couple times. This is what shows European dominance in soccer.
What dominance are you referring too? They haven't won anything for 16 years.
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Those teams beat Brazil. The secong one lost in the final with penalty kicks. I have not looked much at the recent records but I can continue if you absolutely insist!!
Those teams beat Brazil. The secong one lost in the final with penalty kicks. I have not looked much at the recent records but I can continue if you absolutely insist!!
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So did Holland and Germany in the last 2 World Cups.
France reached the final in 2006 in between embarrassing first round exists in 2002 and 2010. Not sure why you think France dominate European soccer when Spain and Germany have clearly been the most successful over the past decade.
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Please see the FIFA rankings timeline above where you can see France was top ranked for as long as Germany. Sorry, you'll have to make up your mind and provide a final answer as to weather these two countries are dominant because they have performed exactly the same according to FIFA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_(1956%E2%80%932009) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_(1956%E2%80%932009))
As I said- race don't matter in soccer. I think the reason for this is that soccer is so diverse with regard to roles on the pitch, that several different body-types can work. You can be tall, strong and explosive, but this will cost you endurance- hence you will be best off as an attacker or defender. The ones with the most endurance gets to play midfield. Cognition also plays its part- visuospatual thinking, strategy and self-control etc.
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You refuse to accept that Brazil is dominant for decades and Pele is the god of soccer for all of recorded history. This is highly questionable thinking to put it mildly. Saying race doesn't matter is like saying genetics don't matter. Of course genetics matter in everything but it's just a very general statement. Absolutely meaningless. You should retract the comments about not seeing dominance in soccer from Africans and go about your business posting on other topics. :)
Please see the FIFA rankings timeline above where you can see France was top ranked for as long as Germany. Sorry, you'll have to make up your mind and provide a final answer as to weather these two countries are dominant because they have performed exactly the same according to FIFA.
Pele was one of the greats in the history of soccer, but that was almost 50 years ago. Brasil did dominate the World Cup for many years, indeed, and I was on of their biggest fans. I do especially remember the 80s version of Brasil with fondness. That being said- calling Brasil a "black" team is just as nonsensical as calling them white. Almost all of them were a happy mix of ethnicities.
We are discussing soccer since it was claimed the lack of money was the explanation for lack of great black powerlifters. I pointed out that there were sports with great money, but without black "dominance". Black players are just as good as white players in soccer, but there is no relative dominance.
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Germany since they've performed far more consistently at World Cup's during that entire period. France have been very hit and miss since 2000.
And yes, Brazil have been the most successful team in World Cup history but also have the advantage of having a population and pool of talent vastly bigger than their major rivals.
Greatest all time World XI according to FIFA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_All-Time_Team
no relative dominance?
The only reason they don't dominate european soccer is because they're not competing. They don't live there. One has to be included to win.
"one of the greats" haha look it's clear that accepting the black man as the master makes you uncomfortable. Nobody with any sense disputes who the greatest is.
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ACCEPT THE TRUTH
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Germany is no better than the France squad filled with to the brim with black players. They have not been consistent as you can see from the recent rankings.
As an aside Germany has a lot of money and spent $1 billion dollars on their program so it's good but once the rest of the world steals their innovations it's right back to where they came from battling for fourth place. If they want to remain on top they'll have to keep spending to stay ahead.
Germany is no better than the France squad filled with to the brim with black players. They have not been consistent as you can see from the recent rankings.
As an aside Germany has a lot of money and spent $1 billion dollars on their program so it's good but once the rest of the world steals their innovations it's right back to where they came from battling for fourth place. If they want to remain on top they'll have to keep spending to stay ahead.
The fact that a majority black team and a majority white team can both have periods of dominance proves the point that race isn't that relevant in the sport.
Anyway, you'd think in a sport that is black dominant, you'd have more black players making lists such as the one below:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2015/dec/21/the-100-best-footballers-in-the-world-2015-interactive
it's not a surprise, this is a UK publication of a survey where they used 50% European judges, try it again using a sample of judges in balanced proportion. These are the obvious imbalances that get accepted.Ultimately the sport was invented in UK so it's only natural. Also it's big money so if the soccer powers could figure out how to market black players it would be game over but that's an uphill battle. you guys don't even accept Pele the man who invented the modern style.
it's not a surprise, this is a UK publication of a survey where they used 50% European judges, try it again using a sample of judges in balanced proportion. These are the obvious imbalances that get accepted.Ultimately the sport was invented in UK so it's only natural. Also it's big money so if the soccer powers could figure out how to market black players it would be game over but that's an uphill battle. you guys don't even accept Pele the man who invented the modern style.