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Title: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: denarii on May 08, 2016, 04:47:35 PM
Why arent there any?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 08, 2016, 04:50:27 PM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2vskfh5.jpg)

here's one
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 08, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
Two reasons:

1. Powerlifting requires intense training, rather than bodybuilding-style "working out". Brews are not terribly interested in gut-busting work.

2. Chocolate faces have never, in general, been able to compete successfully with whites in pure strength sports.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: calfzilla on May 08, 2016, 05:08:12 PM
Whites have fast twitch muscles

Hebrews have slow twitch
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on May 08, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
Because when they see a red light, they start running.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: DanM on May 08, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
Ray Williams and Kevin Oak come to mind
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 08, 2016, 05:35:16 PM
Rick "Grizzly" Brown as well.

Also, why add another thing to kill Hebrews off?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 08, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
Why arent there any?

Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NelsonMuntz on May 08, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
poor exercise form would be my number one guess, never seen so many people as I do with brews over the years who have the shittiest nonsensical form when it comes to lifting weights who gain muscle despite all that, with the lower body the obvious exception as most have calves and thighs that resemble chopsticks
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: denarii on May 08, 2016, 05:45:14 PM
Champion    Country    Times    Years
Mariusz Pudzianowski     Poland    5    2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008
Žydrūnas Savickas     Lithuania    4    2009, 2010, 2012, 2014
Magnús Ver Magnússon     Iceland    4    1991, 1994, 1995, 1996
Jón Páll Sigmarsson     Iceland    4    1984, 1986, 1988, 1990
Bill Kazmaier     United States    3    1980, 1981, 1982
Brian Shaw     United States    3    2011, 2013, 2015
Jouko Ahola     Finland    2    1997, 1999
Geoff Capes     United Kingdom    2    1983, 1985
Bruce Wilhelm     United States    2    1977, 1978
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 08, 2016, 06:01:26 PM
poor exercise form would be my number one guess, never seen so many people as I do with brews over the years who have the shittiest nonsensical form when it comes to lifting weights who gain muscle despite all that, with the lower body the obvious exception as most have calves and thighs that resemble chopsticks

 Yep. You almost never see other races with shitty form.  ::)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Mr Anabolic on May 08, 2016, 06:08:47 PM
Gene Bell.  Strong as fuck...

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Sizwe on May 08, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
Why arent there any?
black Americans could probably do really well at this 'sport' but why should they when they can excel in bball, NFL, baseball, boxing, athletics etc instead, for much much higher rewards?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Wiggs on May 08, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NelsonMuntz on May 08, 2016, 06:43:17 PM
Yep. You almost never see other races with shitty form.  ::)

re-read what I said, which is in essence that  people from other races don't tend to produce muscle results like blacks do when they also use shitty form. It's not that all blacks use shitty form, but the ones that do the majority of them get great results despite having atrocious form

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 08, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
re-read what I said, which is in essence that  people from other races don't tend to produce muscle results like blacks do when they also use shitty form. It's not that all blacks use shitty form, but the ones that do the majority of them get great results despite having atrocious form




Which has nothing to do with the number of black powerlifters. The op asked why there were no black powerlifters, and you said poor exercise form would be your number one guess. Did you think you were answering a different question?   ???
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 08, 2016, 06:54:29 PM
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.

You do know powerlifting is a different sport than Olympic weightlifting, right?

Of course you don't.

Your whole post reads like one who hasn't the foggiest notion.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 08, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

In most every way, you're one dumb fuckwich.

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: BB on May 08, 2016, 06:58:16 PM
I can name a few dozen -

1) Ray Williams 6) Rick Grizzly Brown 11) Greg Beetle Lowe 16) Robert Wilkerson 21) Richard Hawthorne 26) Orlando Green
2) Don Blue      7) CT Fletcher            12) Walter Thomas     17) Steve Goggins    22) Joe Morrow             27) M Henry
3) Lamar Gant  8) Dave Shaw            13) John Gamble        18) Joe Bradley        23) Tony Conyers          28) Sly Crumbley
4) OD Wilson    9) Tee Myers              14) Paul Dicks             19) Bull Stewart      24) Dan Austin              29)  Curtis Leslie
5) Jim Williams 10) Gene Bell             15) James Henderson  20) Al Davis            25) Doc Holloway           30) *Strongman M Felix
31) Rock Lewis  32) Precious McKenzie 33) Dondell Blue        34) George Clark     35) Mickey Tate     

Technically, you can throw Ronnie Coleman (early years), and Johnnie Jackson in there too, if you wanted.

* Not PL, but close.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 08, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
You do know powerlifting is a different sport than Olympic weightlifting, right?

Of course you don't.

Your whole post reads like one who hasn't the foggiest notion.

 Oh, yeah. Powerlifting is soooo much more popular. ::)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Dokey111 on May 08, 2016, 07:10:30 PM
What about Murray
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Wiggs on May 08, 2016, 07:12:08 PM
In most every way, you're one dumb fuckwich.



The truth hurts. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Scott on May 08, 2016, 07:20:46 PM
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

Hebroes (not real Jews and not real black people) such as yourself have been leaving their buttprints in the sands of time for millennia .

There are plenty of people, black, white, brown, red, yellow that don't identify with any race outside of human.  We are just one race.  Some are better at athletics, some at mathematics.  No one race dominates anything.

If you were axed to dominate a grade school Spelling Bee you'd likely decline due to being "allergic 'n' sheet".   What did Chris Rock say about books and Hebroes?

Grow up you anti human pussbag.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 08, 2016, 08:05:58 PM
Oh, yeah. Powerlifting is soooo much more popular. ::)

What's that have to do with ... anything I said?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 08, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
The truth hurts. Deal with it.

It ain't the truth. Far from it. It's just how you want it to be.

Chocolate faces do very well in various sports. Others, not as much.

With very few exceptions, when a white powerlifter and a black powerlifter go head to head, the brew gets crushed.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 08, 2016, 08:33:30 PM
What's that have to do with ... anything I said?

It's not rocket science.  ::)  You quoted and responded to my last post. How did  pointing out a distinction between powerlifting and olympic make it any less true?  Neither are popular sports. Even as niche as bodybuilding is, in terms of potential fame and money they are in different leagues.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Henda on May 08, 2016, 10:31:20 PM
Funny how the nigs on here feel strength sports would be dominated my negros but they simply don't want to compete at it as there is no money in it, there isn't much money on welfare either but plenty choose to be on it rather than get a fucking job or does this just apply to sports??
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 09, 2016, 04:34:23 AM
I always found it strange too. With their superior athletic ability and naturally higher T levels, you'd think that all strength sports (not just PL) would have a higher amount of black competitors.
I think it may be down to bone structure and the strength of tendons, ligaments and joints.
It would be good if a proper study is done regarding this subject though.

I don't believe the notion that the lack of money is the reason why we see a lack of blacks in these sports since people will always gravitate to what they are good at.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 09, 2016, 04:38:08 AM
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.
Powerlifting isn't in the Olympics, hth
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 09, 2016, 04:42:31 AM
It could be that powerlifting is a lone sport, it's not like NBA or NFL, when niggs don't have a white man in charge of them they can't do shit
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: _aj_ on May 09, 2016, 04:43:08 AM
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

Same goes with chess.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Waller on May 09, 2016, 04:53:03 AM
Same goes with chess.

And swimming.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 09, 2016, 04:56:25 AM
And swimming.
And jobs
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: BB on May 09, 2016, 05:00:09 AM
I always found it strange too. With their superior athletic ability and naturally higher T levels, you'd think that all strength sports (not just PL) would have a higher amount of black competitors.
I think it may be down to bone structure and the strength of tendons, ligaments and joints.
It would be good if a proper study is done regarding this subject though.

I don't believe the notion that the lack of money is the reason why we see a lack of blacks in these sports since people will always gravitate to what they are good at.

I do wonder if it's more of an optical illusion, than we think. Blacks are only 12-13% of the US population, so it would be interesting to see an account of how many black folks attend the big meets. Also most of the black countries don't have a history in the strength sports like the US, and especially the former Eastern Bloc. Perhaps money has kept them out of it that way. A sports ball or sneakers is still a lot cheaper than a weight room. As a side note, American blacks were very well represented when the US still gave a crap about its standing in Olympic Lifting.
 

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Waller on May 09, 2016, 05:01:16 AM
And jobs

Hahahahahaha.  Made me lol in McDonald's.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: spiro on May 09, 2016, 05:03:22 AM
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

We'd dominate lol you've never dominated anything In your life.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: BIG_STI on May 09, 2016, 05:07:15 AM
Whites have fast twitch muscles

Hebrews have slow twitch

It's the exact opposite dumb ass, do some research   
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 09, 2016, 05:13:45 AM
We'd dominate lol you've never dominated anything In your life.
He had a job for a month or two in a footlocker when he was 40
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: falco on May 09, 2016, 05:23:02 AM
Superman from Compton CT Fletcher.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 09, 2016, 05:29:30 AM
I do wonder if it's more of an optical illusion, than we think. Blacks are only 12-13% of the US population, so it would be interesting to see an account of how many black folks attend the big meets. Also most of the black countries don't have a history in the strength sports like the US, and especially the former Eastern Bloc. Perhaps money has kept them out of it that way. A sports ball or sneakers is still a lot cheaper than a weight room. As a side note, American blacks were very well represented when the US still gave a crap about its standing in Olympic Lifting.

You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: BB on May 09, 2016, 06:17:00 AM
You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?

Offhand, I think the closest is Ferris, who's around #450/#205ish. The African countries (disregarding Middle Eastern African countries) rank in the bottom 3rd, that being said they don't field a ton of teams relative to size of the continent. But there are a few still that out rank some respectable European, Latin, and Asian nations. One area where they do decently is in female lifters.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Bossa on May 09, 2016, 09:07:57 AM
You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?

Mark Henry would be the closest at 220 kg
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 09, 2016, 09:23:44 AM
Even amongst pro bodybuilders, there has always been the knowledge that exceptional strength is much more observant in the white ranks.

Whites are built thicker, heavier and more robust. Think Dorian versus Wheeler.

As well, brews tend to have more rounded muscle bellies, which has been shown scientifically to be much less efficient for joint flexion, the be-all, end-all of strength expression.

Blacks have millenniums of ancestry running around in hot weather, eating twigs and berries and building bamboo shacks.

Whites have eaten meat, built structures of wood and stone and lived lives requiring brute strength over fleet-footed maneuverability.

Low bodyfat and muscularity (not to be confused with mass) have little to do with absolute strength.

A white's CNA is superior. Muscle doesn't mean shit if the electronics system is not up to par.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: BB on May 09, 2016, 09:30:10 AM
Mark Henry would be the closest at 220 kg

That is right, for some reason, I always forget that Henry has an official Weightlifting total. I always remember him as a Powerlifter foremost.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 09, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
Even amongst pro bodybuilders, there has always been the knowledge that exceptional strength is much more observant in the white ranks.

Whites are built thicker, heavier and more robust. Think Dorian versus Wheeler.


Ridiculous comparison. Flex Wheeler was an anomaly who looked better at lighter weight. Most black bodybuilders are just bigger. There are plenty of  black bodybuilders known for strength.   
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 09, 2016, 09:46:08 AM
Lots of discrimination in this thread. Everybody knows the jews want 10% off their rom, what federation is gonna allow that.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 09, 2016, 09:49:49 AM
Same goes with chess.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/04/23/475125081/chess-for-progress-how-a-grandmaster-is-using-the-game-to-teach-life-skills  (http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/04/23/475125081/chess-for-progress-how-a-grandmaster-is-using-the-game-to-teach-life-skills)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: denarii on May 09, 2016, 09:58:07 AM

Blacks have millenniums of ancestry running around in hot weather, eating twigs and berries and building bamboo shacks, throwing spears and quickly dicking women found in the bush.

Whites have eaten meat, built structures of wood and stone and lived lives requiring brute strength over fleet-footed maneuverability and lived in societies where survival of the fittest favoured a mix of intelligence and endurance over athleticism.

 

edited  ;D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Spike on May 09, 2016, 10:20:28 AM
Powerlifting goes hand in foot with white redneck hardassism

Shit cannot be more prominent then in rural parts - I hesitate in saying the south because you go through BFE Ohio you find powerlifting

Hell in Hickory they have a special technique when you totally disregard the eccentric movement of the deadlift and just bounce the shit off the floor (must not be rubber, shits too quite)

I used to lift in a PL gym in San Antonio - all white dudes and some thick ass Mexicans
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: calfzilla on May 09, 2016, 10:24:31 AM
Hahahahahaha.  Made me lol in McDonald's.

X2 but at home  ;D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 09, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
if hebrews aren't powerlifting it's not genetics

the entire population in north america was invited for their abilities to complete agricultural labour tasks

I would hazard a guess at financial reasons, it' s more of a "hobby" and a lot of folks simply don't have time for such nonsense.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: denarii on May 09, 2016, 11:02:29 AM
Big Lenny and Blaha are renowned powerlifters as well.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 09, 2016, 11:08:52 AM
Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.

NN

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: dj181 on May 09, 2016, 11:17:01 AM
whites dominate the bench

check world records and 90% of the title holders are white

but in the squat and dead the black man is able to hang with whitey
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 09, 2016, 01:13:24 PM
if hebrews aren't powerlifting it's not genetics

the entire population in north america was invited for their abilities to complete agricultural labour tasks

I would hazard a guess at financial reasons, it' s more of a "hobby" and a lot of folks simply don't have time for such nonsense.


But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Rusty Trombone on May 09, 2016, 01:48:38 PM
You could be right and I definitely agree with the point regarding the strength culture in Eastern Europe.
However, with blacks dominating bodybuilding, it seems odd that they are underrepresented in strength sports - given that all these practices involve lifting weights. It might be down to genetic factors.
With Olympic lifting, has a black man ever done a +230kg C&J?
???
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Rusty Trombone on May 09, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
I can name a few dozen -

1) Ray Williams 6) Rick Grizzly Brown 11) Greg Beetle Lowe 16) Robert Wilkerson 21) Richard Hawthorne 26) Orlando Green
2) Don Blue      7) CT Fletcher            12) Walter Thomas     17) Steve Goggins    22) Joe Morrow             27) M Henry
3) Lamar Gant  8) Dave Shaw            13) John Gamble        18) Joe Bradley        23) Tony Conyers          28) Sly Crumbley
4) OD Wilson    9) Tee Myers              14) Paul Dicks             19) Bull Stewart      24) Dan Austin              29)  Curtis Leslie
5) Jim Williams 10) Gene Bell             15) James Henderson  20) Al Davis            25) Doc Holloway           30) *Strongman M Felix
31) Rock Lewis  32) Precious McKenzie 33) Dondell Blue

Technically, you can throw Ronnie Coleman (early years), and Johnnie Jackson in there too, if you wanted.

* Not PL, but close.
I've never heard of any of them.

But then again,I don't follow powerlifting in depth.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 09, 2016, 02:05:34 PM
???

Well, the top 3 three places at the last Olympia were won by black bodybuilders.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: WannaBePro on May 09, 2016, 03:12:05 PM
Big Lenny and Blaha are renowned powerlifters as well.
Lenny's buddy Andrew was legit. There's a video out there where they're in a meet and Andrew benched something ridiculous, I think it was 650 raw. Made it look easy too.

Actually, here's the video
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 09, 2016, 06:45:17 PM
But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?

They really aren't the same. I've been working out regularly for nearly 20 years and have belonged to some relatively serious gyms.  At most of the gyms I've belonged to, there were easy ins to bodybuilding. There's almost always a group of hardcore muscleheads. A few of the gyms I trained at had pros who worked out there, too. I actually don't remember any of the gyms I belonged to having serious power lifting/ strength training crews. The guys training for muscular size are still strong, but they're not really overlapping communities. Powerlifting and strength communities are still way more cultish. From a practical perspective, most people's primary objectives in regards to physical fitness are superficial. So just taking that into account, it's easy to understand why the appeal is different.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 09, 2016, 10:11:20 PM
But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?

Why would their ancestors would be brought here from across the ocean to lift heavy things if they are genetically weak?

 ???

hate to shatter so many dreams today

here's a study:

Black males were significantly stronger in bench press at initial-recruit and at in-service than white males.

http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1604&context=ijes
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: BB on May 10, 2016, 01:20:14 AM
I've never heard of any of them.

But then again,I don't follow powerlifting in depth.

There's actually a lot of top ten finishers, and a few sometime record holders on that list. Something interesting is that many of them (about half the list) came up during the raw and lightly geared eras. One thing that someone posed that was kinda interesting is the wondering if heavily geared powerlifting killed some of the enthusiasm for it among the poor and lower middle class because of the cost of advancing through the geared ranks in terms of shirt costs, etc....
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 10, 2016, 01:20:31 AM
But the same could be said of BB, yet blacks often dominate throughout the weight classes.
Most would agree that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to BB and athleticism, so why is it so outlandish to believe that they may be disadvantaged when it comes to absolute strength?

Most top powerlifters have wide waists and big joints. Most blacks have narrower waist which may be a disadvantage from a purely biomechanical perspective.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 02:41:35 AM
They really aren't the same. I've been working out regularly for nearly 20 years and have belonged to some relatively serious gyms.  At most of the gyms I've belonged to, there were easy ins to bodybuilding. There's almost always a group of hardcore muscleheads. A few of the gyms I trained at had pros who worked out there, too. I actually don't remember any of the gyms I belonged to having serious power lifting/ strength training crews. The guys training for muscular size are still strong, but they're not really overlapping communities. Powerlifting and strength communities are still way more cultish. From a practical perspective, most people's primary objectives in regards to physical fitness are superficial. So just taking that into account, it's easy to understand why the appeal is different.

They aren't the same but they do overlap IME. Many powerlifters originally started training for bodybuilding purposes but switched once they realized that strength rather than aesthetics was their forte. Most people train to look better but everyone who has ever trained consistently would have trained heavy at some point and attempted a 1RM on a few exercises. Almost all top bodybuilders have incorporated powerlifting methods into their routines at times. If you find yourself genetically gifted for strength, you will automatically want to work towards that. People will gravitate to what they are good at.   

Why would their ancestors would be brought here from across the ocean to lift heavy things if they are genetically weak?

 ???

Who said anything about blacks being genetically weak?
There have been many world class strength athletes that were black. The point is that there is noticeable lack of black competitors in the field of strength athletics.
What does slavery have to do with this? That was done purely for free labour.

here's a study:

Black males were significantly stronger in bench press at initial-recruit and at in-service than white males.

http://digitalcommons.wku.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1604&context=ijes

I'm aware of that study as well as other studies showing blacks having naturally higher T levels. This is why I said it was odd that blacks tend to be underrepresented not just in powerlifting, but in strongman, weightlifting and other Olympic strength events (shot put, hammer throw…etc). I think the point NordicNerd made above has a lot of truth in it. Blacks tend to be slimmer around the waist and hips which may be a disadvantage when it comes to absolute strength in the compound lifts.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 10, 2016, 06:37:25 AM
They aren't the same but they do overlap IME. Many powerlifters originally started training for bodybuilding purposes but switched once they realized that strength rather than aesthetics was their forte. Most people train to look better but everyone who has ever trained consistently would have trained heavy at some point and attempted a 1RM on a few exercises. Almost all top bodybuilders have incorporated powerlifting methods into their routines at times. If you find yourself genetically gifted for strength, you will automatically want to work towards that. People will gravitate to what they are good at.    

Who said anything about blacks being genetically weak?
There have been many world class strength athletes that were black. The point is that there is noticeable lack of black competitors in the field of strength athletics.
What does slavery have to do with this? That was done purely for free labour.

I'm aware of that study as well as other studies showing blacks having naturally higher T levels. This is why I said it was odd that blacks tend to be underrepresented not just in powerlifting, but in strongman, weightlifting and other Olympic strength events (shot put, hammer throw…etc). I think the point NordicNerd made above has a lot of truth in it. Blacks tend to be slimmer around the waist and hips which may be a disadvantage when it comes to absolute strength in the compound lifts.

hmm well I'd be curious to see if that's true regarding the bone structure. We do know that black folks have higher bone density, lean body mass etc. If someone can present something objective beyond simply fairytale type claims then I'd love to see it.

If you compare Paul Anderson to Mark Henry you can see a difference in structure that you're talking about but it doesn't seem to affect performance.

(http://www.payh.org/wp-content/uploads/Paul-worksout-at-home_1.jpg)

(http://pre12.deviantart.net/e81b/th/pre/f/2015/333/b/8/mark_henry_renders_5_by_wwepnguploader-d9igh9p.png)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 10, 2016, 06:48:39 AM
Here's a discussion on swimming vs sprinting that examines the influence of the centre of gravity

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2010/07/lose_the_race.html

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: residue on May 10, 2016, 06:56:14 AM
isnt Richard Hawthorne the pound for pound strongest power lifter in the world?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 07:07:24 AM
hmm well I'd be curious to see if that's true regarding the bone structure. We do know that black folks have higher bone density, lean body mass etc. If someone can present something objective beyond simply fairytale type claims then I'd love to see it.

If you compare Paul Anderson to Mark Henry you can see a difference in structure that you're talking about but it doesn't seem to affect performance.

There isn't any. Which is why I said originally that it would be good if proper research was done into this topic. What we do know though is that for all the superior muscle mass, bone density and T levels of blacks, there is a noticeable lack of black world class strength athletes.

I think a thicker waist and hips is beneficial for deadlifting, squatting and other compound lifting although this isn't always the case of course.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 08:39:58 AM
They aren't the same but they do overlap IME. Many powerlifters originally started training for bodybuilding purposes but switched once they realized that strength rather than aesthetics was their forte. Most people train to look better but everyone who has ever trained consistently would have trained heavy at some point and attempted a 1RM on a few exercises. Almost all top bodybuilders have incorporated powerlifting methods into their routines at times. If you find yourself genetically gifted for strength, you will automatically want to work towards that. People will gravitate to what they are good at.   

You seemed to overlook the main point of my previous post. I didn't say that powerlifting and bodybuilding techniques don't overlap, but that the communities don't . Almost every gym has some sort of bodybuilding community. Most gyms don't have serious or even casual powerlifting communities. If you are exceptionally strong, you are most likely hanging out/ working out with the bodybuilding guys, who are also strong.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: residue on May 10, 2016, 08:46:15 AM
hmm well I'd be curious to see if that's true regarding the bone structure. We do know that black folks have higher bone density, lean body mass etc. If someone can present something objective beyond simply fairytale type claims then I'd love to see it.

If you compare Paul Anderson to Mark Henry you can see a difference in structure that you're talking about but it doesn't seem to affect performance.

(http://www.payh.org/wp-content/uploads/Paul-worksout-at-home_1.jpg)

(http://pre12.deviantart.net/e81b/th/pre/f/2015/333/b/8/mark_henry_renders_5_by_wwepnguploader-d9igh9p.png)


that's not mark Henry the lifter, that's mark Henry the wrestler. there's a difference in weight and body comp
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
You seemed to overlook the main point of my previous post. I didn't say that powerlifting and bodybuilding techniques don't overlap, but that the communities don't . Almost every gym has some sort of bodybuilding community. Most gyms don't have serious or even casual powerlifting communities. If you are exceptionally strong, you are most likely hanging out/ working out with the bodybuilding guys, who are also strong.

Pretty much my point. If you exceptionally strong, you are likely going to consider entering a PL meet because that is where you can best display your strength. Most of the strongest bodybuilder's did partake in a PL event at one stage during their career's (ie. Coleman, O'Hearn..etc). It's niche, but so is wearing thong and posing on stage.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: oldgolds on May 10, 2016, 09:01:53 AM
My observations are that they are usually not very strong..At least without steroids.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
Pretty much my point. If you exceptionally strong, you are likely going to consider entering a PL meet because that is where you can best display your strength. Most of the strongest bodybuilder's did partake in a PL event at one stage during their career's (ie. Coleman, O'Hearn..etc). It's niche, but so is wearing thong and posing on stage.

No, that's exactly the opposite of your point.  Your point is that  if you are exceptionally strong you are going to consider  entering a PL meet. My point is that if you are exceptionally strong, you are likely NOT going to consider PL because statistically your exposure to that community not that great. Sure bodybuilding is niche, but powerlifting is far, far more niche. Like I said, very few gyms have people lifted in powerlifting while most have people interested in bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Royalty on May 10, 2016, 09:53:12 AM
I know some black powerlifters. As Wiggs said, there is no money in the sport. So, those people that do it, do it for the love of the sport. Not for money.

PS: everyone in that sport seems to have at least 1 or 2 major injuries (torn pec, torn tri, torn bi, knee injury)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 09:55:54 AM
No, that's exactly the opposite of your point.  Your point is that  if you are exceptionally strong you are going to consider  entering a PL meet. My point is that if you are exceptionally strong, you are likely NOT going to consider PL because statistically your exposure to that community not that great. Sure bodybuilding is niche, but powerlifting is far, far more niche. Like I said, very few gyms have people lifted in powerlifting while most have people interested in bodybuilding.

Why the fuck aren't you going to consider entering a PL meet if you happen to be exceptionally strong? ???
Even with zero exposure to PL, your peers would suggest it if they see you reguarly hoisting up heavy weights.
Most of the strongest BB's entered PL meets at one point.  

No offence but you aren't clued up on this topic. The fact you thought PL was an Olympic event kinda proves that.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Hulkotron on May 10, 2016, 09:56:39 AM
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.

I have bad news for you Al, no other country has medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years either.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
I know some black powerlifters. As Wiggs said, there is no money in the sport. So, those people that do it, do it for the love of the sport. Not for money.
PS: everyone in that sport seems to have at least 1 or 2 major injuries (torn pec, torn tri, torn bi, knee injury)


The same could be said of BB though. Do you think people enter BB shows for the money? There is zero financial incentive in any of these things. It's all about personal accomplishment.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 10:01:59 AM
Why the fuck aren't you going to consider entering a PL meet if you happen to be exceptionally strong? ???
Even with zero exposure to PL, your peers would suggest it if they see you reguarly hoisting up heavy weights.
Most of the strongest BB's entered PL meets at one point.  

No offence but you aren't clued up on this topic. The fact you thought PL was an Olympic event kinda proves that.

No, it doesn't. As a matter of fact, the fact that I- a gym rat- would confuse pl with an Olympic event kinda proves the opposite.

Most of the strongest BBs who  enter PL meets do so AFTER gaining notoriety as bodybuilders and reputations for their strength. They don't enter PL meets because their friends see them lifting heavy. They enter bodybuilding contests because their friends see they have good bodybuilding genetics.  

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Royalty on May 10, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
The same could be said of BB though. Do you think people enter BB shows for the money? There is zero financial incentive in any of these things. It's all about personal accomplishment.

I think that bodybuilding attracts people that have a lot of "vanity"... or insecurity...  or those people that like attention (a common trait in today's world)


Whereas powerlifting = injuries, no money, no attention
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
The same could be said of BB though. Do you think people enter BB shows for the money? There is zero financial incentive in any of these things. It's all about personal accomplishment.

Once again, it's a different scene. Just take the race factor out of it. More people are interested in looking like bodybuilders than being powerlifters. Guys want to be strong, but they want those results to be evident in their physiques. So, you've got a huge pool of guys and girls who want to look good and you have contests that sort of feed their ego. Powerlifting is just a completely different scene. People comment on bodybuilders when they are walking down the street in clothes. Not the same for powerlifters.  So money doesn't have to be the driving factor because there are rewards for ego. EVEN THEN, the potential for fame and for money SEEMS way greater in bodybuilding than it does for powerlifting. Instagram followers, magazines, tours, etc.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 10:15:42 AM
I have bad news for you Al, no other country has medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years either.

 :'(
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Powerlift66 on May 10, 2016, 11:51:58 AM
Because when they see a red light, they start running.

LMAO  :D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 12:33:18 PM
No, it doesn't. As a matter of fact, the fact that I- a gym rat- would confuse pl with an Olympic event kinda proves the opposite.

Most of the strongest BBs who  enter PL meets do so AFTER gaining notoriety as bodybuilders and reputations for their strength. They don't enter PL meets because their friends see them lifting heavy. They enter bodybuilding contests because their friends see they have good bodybuilding genetics.  

If you are genetically blessed in terms of physique, you'll look at doing a BB show. If you excel at strength, you'll look at entering a PL meet. That's pretty much how I see it. If you are good at something, you work towards that.

I think that bodybuilding attracts people that have a lot of "vanity"... or insecurity...  or those people that like attention (a common trait in today's world)


Whereas powerlifting = injuries, no money, no attention

Once again, it's a different scene. Just take the race factor out of it. More people are interested in looking like bodybuilders than being powerlifters. Guys want to be strong, but they want those results to be evident in their physiques. So, you've got a huge pool of guys and girls who want to look good and you have contests that sort of feed their ego. Powerlifting is just a completely different scene. People comment on bodybuilders when they are walking down the street in clothes. Not the same for powerlifters.  So money doesn't have to be the driving factor because there are rewards for ego. EVEN THEN, the potential for fame and for money SEEMS way greater in bodybuilding than it does for powerlifting. Instagram followers, magazines, tours, etc.

I agree that most aspire to look like BB's but most care little for actual BB contests. It's not healthy, provides no real financial rewards and has only a niche following consisting of mostly schmoes and other competitors. There was an article just the other day regarding the lack of interest in BB shows.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=609082.0

Fitness and physique models like Lazar Angelov have more followers on social media than the pro's these days.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 01:48:55 PM
If you are genetically blessed in terms of physique, you'll look at doing a BB show. If you excel at strength, you'll look at entering a PL meet. That's pretty much how I see it. If you are good at something, you work towards that.

I agree that most aspire to look like BB's but most care little for actual BB contests. It's not healthy, provides no real financial rewards and has only a niche following consisting of mostly schmoes and other competitors. There was an article just the other day regarding the lack of interest in BB shows.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=609082.0

Fitness and physique models like Lazar Angelov have more followers on social media than the pro's these days.


 ??? These things don't really dispute my last post. Whether or not bodybuilding is a niche, pl is an even smaller niche. Like you admit , there are more people who aspire to look like a bodybuilder, so a fraction of those people compete. There are way fewer people who aspire to be powerlifters, so the fraction who compete is way smaller.

 Are there any powerlifters  who have social media followings comparable to Kai or Phil? ( I honestly don't know.)

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 10, 2016, 02:12:24 PM
There is no one ideal body structure that lends itself to lifting. Lanky types are good at deadlift and the reverse is true for squats.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 02:13:59 PM

 ??? These things don't really dispute my last post. Whether or not bodybuilding is a niche, pl is an even smaller niche. Like you admit , there are more people who aspire to look like a bodybuilder, so a fraction of those people compete. There are way fewer people who aspire to be powerlifters, so the fraction who compete is way smaller.

 Are there any powerlifters  who have social media followings comparable to Kai or Phil? ( I honestly don't know.)



The average person doesn't give a fuck about either. Strongman is probably more popular than both since it is televised globally and gets millions of viewers worldwide.  

Most top BB's and PL's didn't originally start training with the goal of actually competing in those fields, they only got into it once it became apparent that they had a talent for it.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 02:26:18 PM
The average person doesn't give a fuck about either. Strongman is probably more popular than both since it is televised globally and gets millions of viewers worldwide.  

Most top BB's and PL's didn't originally start training with the goal of actually competing in those fields, they only got into it once it became apparent that they had a talent for it.

... which only supports my argument that it comes down to exposure. The simple fact of the matter is that you are far more likely to find a group of bodybuilders at your average gym than a group of powerlifters.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: residue on May 10, 2016, 02:30:46 PM
... which only supports my argument that it comes down to exposure. The simple fact of the matter is that you are far more likely to find a group of bodybuilders at your average gym than a group of powerlifters.

perhaps but exposure these days normally comes from the internet. kids dont walk into a gym before they log on to youtube, and youtube powerlifters have a pretty decent following
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 02:32:41 PM
... which only supports my argument that it comes down to exposure. The simple fact of the matter is that you are far more likely to find a group of bodybuilders at your average gym than a group of powerlifters.

Where about do you live? In all the UK gyms I've been to, I've met roughly a similar number of men who competed in PL and BB. It's usually quite rare though to meet actual competitors in either.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 02:34:08 PM
perhaps but exposure these days normally comes from the internet. kids dont walk into a gym before they log on to youtube, and youtube powerlifters have a pretty decent following

Who are the most popular powerlifters on social media?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 10, 2016, 02:39:17 PM
Where about do you live? In all the UK gyms I've been to, I've met roughly a similar number of men who competed in PL and BB. It's usually quite rare though to meet actual competitors in either.


New York City. 3 of my last 5 gyms (including my current) had pros training there. I have some buddies who are amateur competitors. I was a member of a gym a few years back when Juan Morel, Akim Williams and Armando Pena worked out there. All strong guys, Akim especially.  Probably would do decently in powerlifting, but he got into bodybuilding because someone in the bodybuilding industry told him he had potential. That particular gym was a serious bodybuilding gym- no powerlifters that I can recall, but a lot of strong guys. Boxers, physique competitors, models, runners.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 10, 2016, 02:44:07 PM
There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.

NN



team france

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Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 10, 2016, 02:46:32 PM
There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.

NN



 ::)
(http://soccer-europe.com/images/Pele_latinosinlondon_wordpress_com.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 10, 2016, 02:47:55 PM

New York City. 3 of my last 5 gyms (including my current) had pros training there. I have some buddies who are amateur competitors. I was a member of a gym a few years back when Juan Morel, Akim Williams and Armando Pena worked out there. All strong guys, Akim especially.  Probably would do decently in powerlifting, but he got into bodybuilding because someone in the bodybuilding industry told him he had potential. That particular gym was a serious bodybuilding gym- no powerlifters that I can recall, but a lot of strong guys. Boxers, physique competitors, models, runners.

That's cool. I know Akim is strong as fuck and probably could make a switch to PL. He'd actually be better suited for it than he is for BB imo.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: headhuntersix on May 10, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
I think a lot of this has to do with where you are in the states. I'm in Texas and a lot of the local high schools have powerlifting teams.  They compete in single ply but the meets are full of kids. Gene Bell has been mentioned a few times....Gene did both BB and powerlifting. His son is a world record holder as well. I see him almost daily in our gym training somebody. A few of the current federations are now awarding cash to winners...smaller feds but I think this past weekend the one my buddies were in gave a grand to the winner, 500 to 2nd place and then 250 or something to the best squat, bench and deadlift. There may well be teams of bro's curling and doing whatever the fuck at golds or whatever but in the gyms down here, there are plenty of people training for meets. Strongman has also exploded as a result of the crossfit craze.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 10, 2016, 03:42:07 PM

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Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 10, 2016, 03:46:15 PM

New York City. 3 of my last 5 gyms (including my current) had pros training there. I have some buddies who are amateur competitors. I was a member of a gym a few years back when Juan Morel, Akim Williams and Armando Pena worked out there. All strong guys, Akim especially.  Probably would do decently in powerlifting, but he got into bodybuilding because someone in the bodybuilding industry told him he had potential. That particular gym was a serious bodybuilding gym- no powerlifters that I can recall, but a lot of strong guys. Boxers, physique competitors, models, runners.
Those gyms are like Golds gym Venice. They produce good guys, great physiques, but no Olympia winners. It seems that many of the O winners come from obscure gyms. And the most dominate of modern O winners came from the South and and England. And all three had in common was a great work ethic.
Akim has some serious potential, but his back detail and thickness doesn't match his front, which shows a lack of priority/or work ethic. And he has that "thick skin" look that is hard to dry out---John Sherman, Edgar Fletcher, Vic Richards, Brandon Curry, and Beyeke all have or had that problem. Akim is strong as an ox, but if he got into shape, he'd do pretty well. Maybe a real dark horse in the future.
Juan Morel seems to be not interested in putting in the work. Maybe too pretty for it?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: thebrink on May 10, 2016, 05:48:19 PM
Two reasons:

1. Powerlifting requires intense training, rather than bodybuilding-style "working out". Brews are not terribly interested in gut-busting work.

2. Chocolate faces have never, in general, been able to compete successfully with whites in pure strength sports.

That's not the reason at all. It's about genetics clearly.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 10, 2016, 08:01:24 PM
I have bad news for you Al, no other country has medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years either.

I say again. There is no sport called Olympic powerlifting.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 10, 2016, 11:00:16 PM
::)
(http://soccer-europe.com/images/Pele_latinosinlondon_wordpress_com.jpg)

I never said blacks were not good players, just that there is none of the domination you see in the NFL/NBL

(https://iffhs.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/maradona-1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/2015_UEFA_Super_Cup_64_crop.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/RealM-Shahter15_%284%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 10, 2016, 11:09:33 PM
I never said blacks were not good players, just that there is none of the domination you see in the NFL/NBL

(https://iffhs.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/maradona-1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/2015_UEFA_Super_Cup_64_crop.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/RealM-Shahter15_%284%29.jpg)
Did you forget this guy?
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02609/03_18134836_d04f74_2609760a.jpg)

G_Thang already spoke on this subject.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 12:18:55 AM
team france

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German world champions

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Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 12:26:26 AM
Did you forget this guy?
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02609/03_18134836_d04f74_2609760a.jpg)

G_Thang already spoke on this subject.

Ronaldinho- a good example of the benefits of genetic diversity  :). Maybe 50/50 black/white, or some other ethnicity as well?

Anyway- I dislike the way Wiggs think (although the word "think" is giving him too much credit) about race. He writes as though blacks are one group. Africa is a continent- a rather large one too. Northern africans are very different from southern/western/eastern africans. Different african ethnicities excel at different sports. Western africans are the best sprinters. Northern and eastern africans are long- or mid-distance runners etc. By not differentiating, he actually contributes to oversimplifications and primitive racial stereotyping.

NN

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 11, 2016, 01:00:42 AM
Ronaldinho- a good example of the benefits of genetic diversity  :). Maybe 50/50 black/white, or some other ethnicity as well?

Anyway- I dislike the way Wiggs think (although the word "think" is giving him too much credit) about race. He writes as though blacks are one group. Africa is a continent- a rather large one too. Northern africans are very different from southern/western/eastern africans. Different african ethnicities excel at different sports. Western africans are the best sprinters. Northern and eastern africans are long- or mid-distance runners etc. By not differentiating, he actually contributes to oversimplifications and primitive racial stereotyping.

NN


In America Ronaldinho is black. He would get treated like a black man in America and seen as one in pretty much every part of the world. In Latin America, due to his complexion/skin tone, he would be seen as more favorable, less Negro (look at what Sammy Sosa did to himself).
In a sense, Wiggs is correct. In some aspects black people are thought of in a monolithic sense.

And even East Africans (Ethiopians, etc) have been known to make fun of their Western African brethren due to the differences in facial features (Some Ethiopian ethnicities with their sharper noses compared to wider noses of West Africans). What you said has been widely known. Genetic diversity and adaptations to environments.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 01:44:17 AM
In America Ronaldinho is black. He would get treated like a black man in America and seen as one in pretty much every part of the world. In Latin America, due to his complexion/skin tone, he would be seen as more favorable, less Negro (look at what Sammy Sosa did to himself).
In a sense, Wiggs is correct. In some aspects black people are thought of in a monolithic sense.

And even East Africans (Ethiopians, etc) have been known to make fun of their Western African brethren due to the differences in facial features (Some Ethiopian ethnicities with their sharper noses compared to wider noses of West Africans). What you said has been widely known. Genetic diversity and adaptations to environments.

I looked at the Sammy Sosa pictures- sad! I get what you are saying but I find the situation absurd. It is as though "blackness" is some sort of taintedness. I still think it is not a good idea to support that kind of stereotyping by implicit accepting it.

NN

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: nzmusclemonster on May 11, 2016, 02:11:16 AM
Kneegulls can't count high enough to add up their totals.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 11, 2016, 02:29:37 AM
Soccer is pretty diverse and it isn't really dominated by a particular racial group. Over the past decade, there has been world class players produced in almost every corner of the globe and from almost all ethnic backgrounds.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Kwon on May 11, 2016, 03:47:13 AM
Funny how the nigs on here feel strength sports would be dominated my negros but they simply don't want to compete at it as there is no money in it, there isn't much money on welfare either but plenty choose to be on it rather than get a fucking job or does this just apply to sports??

Truth be told, they excel in welfare and porchsitting.

If only watermelon-eating and KFC-gluttony would bring in some paper, they'd be able to change the entire Africa.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Costanza on May 11, 2016, 03:58:13 AM
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 11, 2016, 08:43:41 AM
German world champions

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Germany_champions_2014_FIFA_World_Cup.jpg)

try googling "best soccer nation in history" and report back on your findings.

looking forward to this information!
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Yamcha on May 11, 2016, 09:08:13 AM
(http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gy7.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 11, 2016, 09:12:30 AM
The thing with the Brazilian soccer team is that it isn't a "black" dominated team. Most of the players are of mixed heritage (Neymar, Alves...etc) and many are of almost entirely Europeon ancestry (Kaka, Oscar..etc).

The African teams have generally underperformed at World Cup's despite the sports popularity in the continent. Ivory Coast were viewed as the strongest black African side going into the last World Cup and got knocked out in the first round by an average Greek team.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Nails on May 11, 2016, 09:29:13 AM
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 11, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
nuff said

(http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-04-30-at-1.03.12-PM.png)

 :D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Julio Ceasar on May 11, 2016, 12:19:19 PM
hewbrews in cuba are strong weightlifters
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 12:25:13 PM
try googling "best soccer nation in history" and report back on your findings.

looking forward to this information!

World Cup 2014
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 11, 2016, 02:16:28 PM
World Cup 2014


Germany national football team: record v Brazil

Games won:   5
Games drawn:   5
Games lost:   12

http://www.11v11.com/teams/germany/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Brazil/

  ???
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: oldtimer1 on May 11, 2016, 02:17:23 PM
Because if you were to tell someone that they had to choose a sport, but it had to be more niche with even less potential for fame and profit than bodybuilding, they would probably choose powerlifting. A lot of whites love to tell themselves that the lack of blacks in powerlifting is because it's so much harder than other sports, but America hasn't medalled in Olympic powerlifting in 30 years. America's most record breaking powerlifter is a black teen.

Our gold medalists in Olympic lifting are making real money in the NFL.  Olympic lifting requires power and strength. The same as the NFL except you can make millions there.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 02:36:29 PM
Germany national football team: record v Brazil

Games won:   5
Games drawn:   5
Games lost:   12

http://www.11v11.com/teams/germany/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Brazil/

  ???

Brasil had a good team in the past, but were beaten to a pulp by the white German team in 2014. Barcelona was for years the best club in the world, but almost no black players. Race don't matter in soccer. Brazilian players are mostly of mixed ethnicity anyway.

Also, never an African word cup champion ever. Why?

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on May 11, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
Our gold medalists in Olympic lifting are making real money in the NFL.  Olympic lifting requires power and strength. The same as the NFL except you can make millions there.

Bingo.  Powerlifting is for strong dudes who are too slow/unathletic to excel in any other sport
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 11, 2016, 02:45:06 PM
I never said blacks were not good players, just that there is none of the domination you see in the NFL/NBL

The King of football

(http://img.fifa.com/mm/photo/classic/clubs/01/59/83/70/1598370_full-lnd.jpg)

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=63869/profile.html
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 02:52:19 PM
The King of football

(http://img.fifa.com/mm/photo/classic/clubs/01/59/83/70/1598370_full-lnd.jpg)

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=63869/profile.html

Pele was good they say. Does not prove black domination of soccer. Race don't matter in soccer imo.

PS. Compare Pele to Messi - many YouTube vids out there. Pele looks like he is operating in slow motion compared to Messi

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 11, 2016, 03:02:31 PM
Pele was good they say. Does not prove black domination of soccer. Race don't matter in soccer imo.

NN

sorry, Brazil has dominated soccer and the best player ever *the king* is black

keep dreaming

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 11, 2016, 03:27:52 PM
Brasil had a good team in the past, but were beaten to a pulp by the white German team in 2014. Barcelona was for years the best club in the world, but almost no black players. Race don't matter in soccer. Brazilian players are mostly of mixed ethnicity anyway.

Also, never an African word cup champion ever. Why?

NN
There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: calfzilla on May 11, 2016, 03:37:00 PM
There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.

.

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 11, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
Those gyms are like Golds gym Venice. They produce good guys, great physiques, but no Olympia winners. It seems that many of the O winners come from obscure gyms. And the most dominate of modern O winners came from the South and and England. And all three had in common was a great work ethic.
Akim has some serious potential, but his back detail and thickness doesn't match his front, which shows a lack of priority/or work ethic. And he has that "thick skin" look that is hard to dry out---John Sherman, Edgar Fletcher, Vic Richards, Brandon Curry, and Beyeke all have or had that problem. Akim is strong as an ox, but if he got into shape, he'd do pretty well. Maybe a real dark horse in the future.
Juan Morel seems to be not interested in putting in the work. Maybe too pretty for it?

I feel like the New York bodybuilding scene really took off when Victor Martinez started making a name for himself. Even Kai Greene had been kicking around for about a decade and suddenly started to gain recognition around then. I could be biased because I moved to NYC around that time. I'm not saying it was all Victor, I think it was a combination of his success,  the rise of the internet and the unholy union of east coast Steves.

I think being an aspiring bodybuilder is probably tougher here than it is in a lot of other places. My personal theory with Juan is that he was the east coast golden boy for a minute, but after his past got exposed that kinda fizzled out. I think he is probably just happy being able to make a living bodybuilding. We worked out at the same gym right around the time he was going pro and right around the time Akim had just started competing and I honestly thought Juan was more suited for physique than bodybuilding.(Physique was nowhere near as popular 5-6 years ago) He just hasn't ever had that thick, full look. Also, back then his arms were about the same size as mine and I am natural. That's not me bragging. He had a really narrow waist, though, like unbelievably narrow.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 11, 2016, 11:19:15 PM
sorry, Brazil has dominated soccer and the best player ever *the king* is black

keep dreaming

I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.

But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 11, 2016, 11:56:45 PM
I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.

But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.

NN

Brazil and Latin America's (and the US to an extent) racial politics show that it is not a happy message.
The lighter you are, the prettier, and you are of better status. The more negro, the opposite. In many Latin American countries, to associate with the term or word "negro" or black, is seen as a negative---it means poor, ugly, etc.
If I am correct, the saying in Brazil is "A white woman for marriage, a mulata woman for sex, and a black woman for work", oddly in Brazil the mulata is often a brown to light brown skinned black woman. The "black woman" is dark skinned. And Pele himself has an adversion to black women.
Basically, Euros have propped themselves up as the standard bearer and people of color seek validation.
There is no Utopia of mixed race equality.

A good blog to read.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/  (https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 12, 2016, 02:46:32 AM
There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.

I think if an African team were to win a World Cup, it would most likely be a North African team. Algeria were far better in 2014 than any of the black African teams. What I've noticed with the black African nations is that although they often produce quality individual talents (Drogba, Aubameyang, Eto'o...etc), they tend to lack cohesion as a team and struggle to play with any kind or fluidity and technical ability.

The Brazilian team has always been a team of great racial diversity and although they've won the World Cup more times than any other nation, they've actually been less successful than Germany and Italy in contrast to their populations.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 12, 2016, 02:50:46 AM
Our gold medalists in Olympic lifting are making real money in the NFL.  Olympic lifting requires power and strength. The same as the NFL except you can make millions there.

Bingo.  Powerlifting is for strong dudes who are too slow/unathletic to excel in any other sport

That might explain the lack of SHW's. But why can't America then produce weightlifters in the lower weight classes?

Are the smaller guys in the NFL too? ::)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 12, 2016, 02:56:13 AM
Brazil and Latin America's (and the US to an extent) racial politics show that it is not a happy message.
The lighter you are, the prettier, and you are of better status. The more negro, the opposite. In many Latin American countries, to associate with the term or word "negro" or black, is seen as a negative---it means poor, ugly, etc.
If I am correct, the saying in Brazil is "A white woman for marriage, a mulata woman for sex, and a black woman for work", oddly in Brazil the mulata is often a brown to light brown skinned black woman. The "black woman" is dark skinned. And Pele himself has an adversion to black women.
Basically, Euros have propped themselves up as the standard bearer and people of color seek validation.
There is no Utopia of mixed race equality.

A good blog to read.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/  (https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/)

I see no reason to contest what you are writing. I was merely conveying my own views. In Norway where I live, I did not grow up with any special prejudice towards blacks (people perceived as of african descent), probably because there were so few of them. The main tension now is not towards blacks, but towards muslims/ arabs whom by many are viewed almost as an "invading" horde.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 12, 2016, 06:05:21 AM
To determine if this term is fair one would have to ask if the majority assimilate well and respect your way of life, or do they see their own ideological religious belief (Islam) as superior and stick to that?

It depends really. Some do assimilate well into Europeon nations and contary to what is often said, many Muslims aren't starry–eyed when it comes to things like Sharia.

However, there is a unpleasant aspect to their culture which appears to be interested in conquesting and "Islamafying" non-Muslim lands. This aspect is part of the religious belief since Islam is by nature, a proselytizing faith which views Islam as being the only correct system. The fact that they refer to converts as being "reverts" is proof of this.

The problem with the secular Western Europeon nations is that they are quite ignorant of other cultures and view all religions as being the same.
The reality is that Islam isn't really like other religions. It has different components to it which dicate almost every aspect of life, society and politics.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 12, 2016, 07:16:47 AM
I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.

But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.

NN


you said you see "none the dominance from from Africans in soccer"

you must be dreaming.

I guess you're softening your position now but you need to accept that it's an absurd thing to say when the most dominant player in history is a black man. This is not my opinion that's just what the historians say.

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 12, 2016, 07:44:27 AM
you said you see "none the dominance from from Africans in soccer"

you must be dreaming.

I guess you're softening your position now but you need to accept that it's an absurd thing to say when the most dominant player in history is a black man. This is not my opinion that's just what the historians say.



He was correct though. He never said that they aren't any great black players. He said there is no black dominance in soccer - which is true.

Read what Wiggs wrote and his response:

Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.

NN


Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 12, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
He was correct though. He never said that they aren't any great black players. He said there is no black dominance in soccer - which is true.

Read what Wiggs wrote and his response:


being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans! 

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 12, 2016, 09:20:59 AM
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans! 



No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Kwon on May 12, 2016, 11:24:20 AM
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

Or that whites dominate Acting of the higher school merely because of the great (but one and only) Tommy Wiseau.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 12, 2016, 12:07:27 PM
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

haha ok so here we go again, Babe Ruth did not compete against blacks so yes it's not an argument that is even possible to make. Not that making an intelligible argument will limit this mental schema.

If the Congo won the World Cup you guys would come up with some type explaination for it to exclude African dominance.

As we can see, the mental gymnastics required are very impressive! Bordering on mania!

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Royalty on May 12, 2016, 12:21:43 PM
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

I read that Babe Ruth was part black. I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 12, 2016, 01:23:01 PM
haha ok so here we go again, Babe Ruth did not compete against blacks so yes it's not an argument that is even possible to make. Not that making an intelligible argument will limit this mental schema.

If the Congo won the World Cup you guys would come up with some type explaination for it to exclude African dominance.

As we can see, the mental gymnastics required are very impressive! Bordering on mania!



Point taken regarding Babe Ruth. I don't know anything about baseball so was unsure of the history.

As for soccer though, it isn't a black dominated sport and only someone who has zero knowledge on the sport would even suggest this. Black dominated would mean that almost all the top athletes in the sport are black (like in basketball or sprinting), but this clearly isn't the case in soccer.

Just look at the players who are rated as the best in the world:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2015/dec/21/the-100-best-footballers-in-the-world-2015-interactive

https://www.easports.com/uk/fifa/news/2015/fifa-16-ratings-top-50

Your argument is based purely on Pele and the Brazilian national team.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 12, 2016, 01:28:50 PM
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans!  


Messi and Maradona were/are better than Pele. Neither are black. Besides, how you can define racial "dominance" in a sport based on a single player is beyond me.  I will try to make my point clearer.

In the US, what is the proportion of players of african descent in NBL or the NFL? What is the proportion of people of african descent in the general US population? My guess is that in the NBL, the majority of the players performing above the 90th percentile (points etc...) are black, while the proportion in the general population according to Wikipedia is only 12.9 percent. That is dominance according to relative proportion!

You see nothing like that in soccer, except perhaps in France, where the national team had many black players relative to the general demographics. Maybe it would be best to look at the world cup statistics? How does the african teams perform? What is the proportion of african players performing at the top 90th percentile or above relative to the total demographical composition of all participating players? You could conveniently operationalize performance as goals scored or as assists. My guess is that you will see that there is no black dominance in the world cup. Further, no african team ever won. Brasil is an outlier, and to me, defining the race of many Brazilian players is difficult. They are mixed white, indian, black etc. Only a few are of pure african descent. I am not saying blacks are not good soccer players- I just say they are like any other ethnic group.

NN






Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: residue on May 12, 2016, 01:52:21 PM
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans! 


Maradona is the greatest soccer player of all time
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 12, 2016, 01:56:56 PM
Maradona is the greatest soccer player of all time

Maradona has skill but the experts point to three world cups, innovation, skills and scoring records for pele.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 12, 2016, 02:18:06 PM
Maradona has skill but the experts point to three world cups, innovation, skills and scoring records for pele.

All due respect to Pele and Maradona, but Messi is godlike. Look at this video- the main difference compared to Maradona and Pele is the tempo of it all. Modern football is very different from that of the 70s or even the 80s.

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NelsonMuntz on May 12, 2016, 02:26:43 PM
As long as they are big black and muscley, the Gayor approves of hebrew powerlifters

(http://i.imgur.com/m8QM65F.gif)


(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3417901&d=1307498822)

(http://i.imgur.com/MYEfe.gif)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 13, 2016, 08:51:25 AM
In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Kwon on May 13, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
In general, white's are just superior to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.

This
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 10:45:04 AM
The Arnold Classic Powerlifting winner gets $1000

nobody cares about powerlifters

sorry but all the tears fall on deaf ears
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 10:47:31 AM
All due respect to Pele and Maradona, but Messi is godlike. Look at this video- the main difference compared to Maradona and Pele is the tempo of it all. Modern football is very different from that of the 70s or even the 80s.



I go to the FIFA page and they have Pele listed as "the god of football". 

Maybe you should send this video to FIFA?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 13, 2016, 10:49:33 AM
The Arnold Classic Powerlifting winner gets $1000

nobody cares about powerlifters

sorry but all the tears fall on deaf ears

Some men do just for the thrill of doing.

Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.

Some men still believe in being men
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
Messi and Maradona were/are better than Pele. Neither are black. Besides, how you can define racial "dominance" in a sport based on a single player is beyond me.  I will try to make my point clearer.

In the US, what is the proportion of players of african descent in NBL or the NFL? What is the proportion of people of african descent in the general US population? My guess is that in the NBL, the majority of the players performing above the 90th percentile (points etc...) are black, while the proportion in the general population according to Wikipedia is only 12.9 percent. That is dominance according to relative proportion!

You see nothing like that in soccer, except perhaps in France, where the national team had many black players relative to the general demographics. Maybe it would be best to look at the world cup statistics? How does the african teams perform? What is the proportion of african players performing at the top 90th percentile or above relative to the total demographical composition of all participating players? You could conveniently operationalize performance as goals scored or as assists. My guess is that you will see that there is no black dominance in the world cup. Further, no african team ever won. Brasil is an outlier, and to me, defining the race of many Brazilian players is difficult. They are mixed white, indian, black etc. Only a few are of pure african descent. I am not saying blacks are not good soccer players- I just say they are like any other ethnic group.

NN


the argument doesn't work when you say "you see nothing" then go on to list the top player and the top team as the "exceptions".

this is simply unacceptable and smacks as an another desperate attempt to *whitewash* history!

 ;)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: AD2100 on May 13, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
Some men do just for the thrill of doing.

Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.

Some men still believe in being men
::)

(http://turtleboysports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/la75o.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 10:53:00 AM
Some men do just for the thrill of doing.

Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.

Some men still believe in being men

consider joining the "wolves of vinland"  they have a hut in the woods where they bond over tattoos, beer, whiskey, powerlifting and other tribal, manly stuff.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 13, 2016, 10:55:50 AM
::)

(http://turtleboysports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/la75o.jpg)

And you post a meme depicting a "black" woman who in appearance represents maybe less than one percent of black females, what with her looking vastly more white than Hebrew (that is to say, not like a baboon).
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 13, 2016, 12:00:29 PM
In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.


LOL I guess it just depends on how you look at it. To a hebrew like myself, this topic looks like just the opposite: a select group of pasty-faces grasping at straws and pretending that overrepresentation in a sport that almost no one cares about is due to some sort of elite genetic dominance.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 13, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
the argument doesn't work when you say "you see nothing" then go on to list the top player and the top team as the "exceptions".

this is simply unacceptable and smacks as an another desperate attempt to *whitewash* history!

 ;)

I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Al Doggity on May 13, 2016, 12:43:26 PM
I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.

NN

Not that my opinion is the be all and end all, but I can see where you are coming from. The black presence in soccer is not the same as it is in most popular American sports. I feel like mr. turbo's  argument is informed by what other posters have said in a thread that seems to have been started with racist intentions, while you aren't necessarily making a genetic argument. It seems like the two of you are having a debate that overlaps but doesn't quite dovetail. Turbo seems to be saying that the argument for genetic superiority in weightlifting is poor as is the argument for genetic superiority in soccer. It seems as if you're not necessarily making any observations about genetics.

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: denarii on May 13, 2016, 01:21:57 PM
why doesnt this thread have a sticky yet?
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 01:58:31 PM
I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.

NN

I have not made any such claims.  You plainly stated that you see "none of the dominance" in soccer. I pointed out that it's a crazy thing to say. If you want me to make an assessment of dominance I'd have to review the data but what I do know is that the claim above is outrageous.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 13, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
I have not made any such claims.  You plainly stated that you see "none of the dominance" in soccer. I pointed out that it's a crazy thing to say. If you want me to make an assessment of dominance I'd have to review the data but what I do know is that the claim above is outrageous.

A good place to start would be to define the meaning of the word dominance and to operationalize it in order to evaluate it.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
A good place to start would be to define the meaning of the word dominance and to operationalize it in order to evaluate it.

NN

I don't have a special definition. Dominance in sports like soccer is easy to see from stats. So the question is what are the stats on Africans in soccer? Brazil is dominant. Consider tracking the performance of the Brazilians and it's relation to the number of "Africans" or Europeans on the team. You can do the same thing with France or any other country for that matter.

Here's Brazil from 1930

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Brazil_national_football_team,_FIFA_World_Cup_1930.gif)

They were eliminated by Yugoslavia in the group stage.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 04:08:23 PM
the team that bookended the "dry spell" 1974-1990 where Brazil was not "dominant" ie winning world cups.

(http://nsa29.casimages.com/img/2012/07/28/12072809200026164.jpg)

the teams that brought back the winning ways

(http://images.cdn.fourfourtwo.com/sites/fourfourtwo.com/files/styles/image_landscape/public/pa-2609575_0.jpg?itok=GEBQoz30&c=b5573862cced0966947d6647769b4219)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/78/cd/9c/78cd9c8318bbf091468ba1166891a1ff.jpg)

(http://cdn.deccanchronicle.com/sites/default/files/brazil-2002.jpg)

 ???


Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: thebrink on May 13, 2016, 05:03:00 PM
In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.


Hahaha bald headed  racist who knew lolz
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 08:14:42 PM
the French teams that managed to beat the Brazilians in world cup a couple times. This is what shows European dominance in soccer.

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/france-french-national-football-team-players-pose-prior-to-the-2006-picture-id54462443)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/03/23A8AC0300000578-0-image-m-16_1417616022476.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 13, 2016, 08:37:26 PM
winner of the best European soccer player poll of the last 50 years is Zidane. Of course his parents are both Africans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Golden_Jubilee_Poll
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 13, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
winner of the best European soccer player poll of the last 50 years is Zidane. Of course his parents are both Africans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Golden_Jubilee_Poll
And he's white
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 14, 2016, 06:50:34 AM

Hahaha bald headed  racist who knew lolz

Now you do, dink.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 14, 2016, 08:09:51 AM
Most dominant team in history 1970

(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/brazil-1970-world-cup-squad.jpg)

 ???
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 14, 2016, 10:34:25 AM
Interesting chart. Soccer players make 20x as much in Europe than the US.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--eiBaTD1B--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lvgtcrasc6yrdxiuqtxx.jpg)

Team USA 2014

(http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/mnt/team/2014/2014-world-cup/road-to-the-roster/roadtotheroster_30camp1n1t_final_1200x720)

 ;D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: thebrink on May 14, 2016, 10:03:04 PM
Now you do, dink.

Yes typical canadian nazi cop please fulfill your steriotypre for everyone lol...
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: _aj_ on May 15, 2016, 06:19:06 AM
Interesting chart. Soccer players make 20x as much in Europe than the US.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--eiBaTD1B--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lvgtcrasc6yrdxiuqtxx.jpg)

Team USA 2014

(http://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/images/mnt/team/2014/2014-world-cup/road-to-the-roster/roadtotheroster_30camp1n1t_final_1200x720)

 ;D

Probably because we don't give the slightest fuck about "soccer" (whatever that is).
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Fortress on May 15, 2016, 06:24:50 AM
Yes typical canadian nazi cop please fulfill your steriotypre for everyone lol...

Dink, relax your sphincter, will ya.

It's all hijinks and hand grenades.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NelsonMuntz on May 15, 2016, 09:59:28 AM

Essentially in reference to Hebrews and powerlifting.....
They have  No Interest in Getting Geared up for Excellences with no Return in Swag
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 15, 2016, 11:15:18 AM
the French teams that managed to beat the Brazilians in world cup a couple times. This is what shows European dominance in soccer.

What dominance are you referring too? They haven't won anything for 16 years.

 ???
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 15, 2016, 12:07:17 PM
What dominance are you referring too? They haven't won anything for 16 years.

 ???

Those teams beat Brazil. The secong one lost in the final with penalty kicks. I have not looked much at the recent records but I can continue if you absolutely insist!!
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 15, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
Those teams beat Brazil. The secong one lost in the final with penalty kicks. I have not looked much at the recent records but I can continue if you absolutely insist!!

Last three World Cup victories:
2006: Italy
2010: Spain
2014: Germany

(http://cdn.forzaitalianfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Italy-v-France-World-Cup-Final-2006.jpg?admin)
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/MK-BE444_SP_WC1_G_20100711184931.jpg)
(http://fifawallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Germany-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 15, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
FIFA rankings timeline

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/457f424582954f2aae746db9b2f9d9a3.png)

Spain is the only nation that registers in comparison to the overwhelming dominance of the Black Brazilians.

FYI genetic studies indicate the Iberian region to have the highest levels of African DNA in Europe.

 ;D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 15, 2016, 01:54:22 PM
Average Elo rank since 1970

Rank   Country   Avg Elo
1    Brazil   2013.4
2    Germany[8]   1981.6
3    Netherlands   1927.1
4    England   1922.1
5    Italy   1920.7
6    Spain   1912.7
7    Argentina   1908.4
8    France   1883.5
9    Russia[9]   1848.8
10    Czech Republic[10]   1828.8
11    Portugal   1820.7
12    Serbia[11]   1813.0
13    Sweden   1798.0
14    Romania   1779.4
15    Mexico   1779.1
16    Uruguay   1777.4
17    Poland   1769.9
Rank   Country   Avg Elo
18    Belgium   1766.9
19    Denmark   1757.3
20    Scotland   1736.7
21    Chile   1727.1
22    Paraguay   1725.2
23    Republic of Ireland   1720.7
24    Bulgaria   1702.6
25    Australia   1700.4
26    Colombia   1695.5
27     Switzerland   1691.1
28    Austria   1690.0
29    Hungary   1683.8
30    Iran   1676.6
31    South Korea   1667.8
32    Greece   1656.3
33    Nigeria   1654.7
34    Egypt
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 15, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
"None of the dominance in soccer"
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: Parker on May 15, 2016, 02:10:03 PM
Hebrews seem to dominate the minds of many on here.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 15, 2016, 02:20:11 PM
Those teams beat Brazil. The secong one lost in the final with penalty kicks. I have not looked much at the recent records but I can continue if you absolutely insist!!

 ???
So did Holland and Germany in the last 2 World Cups.

France reached the final in 2006 in between embarrassing first round exists in 2002 and 2010. Not sure why you think France dominate European soccer when Spain and Germany have clearly been the most successful over the past decade.

(http://goaldentimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/world-cup-winners-spain_3047424.jpg)

(http://www.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Germany-FIFA-world-cup.jpg)
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 15, 2016, 03:46:59 PM
???
So did Holland and Germany in the last 2 World Cups.

France reached the final in 2006 in between embarrassing first round exists in 2002 and 2010. Not sure why you think France dominate European soccer when Spain and Germany have clearly been the most successful over the past decade.

(http://goaldentimes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/world-cup-winners-spain_3047424.jpg)

(http://www.valuewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Germany-FIFA-world-cup.jpg)

Please see the FIFA rankings timeline above where you can see France was top ranked for as long as Germany. Sorry, you'll have to make up your mind and provide a final answer as to weather these two countries are dominant because they have performed exactly the same according to FIFA.  
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 15, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Please see the FIFA rankings timeline above where you can see France was top ranked for as long as Germany. Sorry, you'll have to make up your mind and provide a final answer as to weather these two countries are dominant because they have performed exactly the same according to FIFA.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_(1956%E2%80%932009) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_(1956%E2%80%932009))

As I said- race don't matter in soccer. I think the reason for this is that soccer is so diverse with regard to roles on the pitch, that several different body-types can work. You can be tall, strong and explosive, but this will cost you endurance- hence you will be best off as an attacker or defender. The ones with the most endurance gets to play midfield. Cognition also plays its part- visuospatual thinking, strategy and self-control etc.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 15, 2016, 04:19:53 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_(1956%E2%80%932009) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_(1956%E2%80%932009))

As I said- race don't matter in soccer. I think the reason for this is that soccer is so diverse with regard to roles on the pitch, that several different body-types can work. You can be tall, strong and explosive, but this will cost you endurance- hence you will be best off as an attacker or defender. The ones with the most endurance gets to play midfield. Cognition also plays its part- visuospatual thinking, strategy and self-control etc.

NN


You refuse to accept that Brazil is dominant for decades and Pele is the god of soccer for all of recorded history. This is highly questionable thinking to put it mildly. Saying race doesn't matter is like saying genetics don't matter. Of course genetics matter in everything but it's just a very general statement. Absolutely meaningless. You should retract the comments about not seeing dominance in soccer from Africans and go about your business posting on other topics.  :) 
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 16, 2016, 02:10:05 AM
You refuse to accept that Brazil is dominant for decades and Pele is the god of soccer for all of recorded history. This is highly questionable thinking to put it mildly. Saying race doesn't matter is like saying genetics don't matter. Of course genetics matter in everything but it's just a very general statement. Absolutely meaningless. You should retract the comments about not seeing dominance in soccer from Africans and go about your business posting on other topics.  :) 

Pele was one of the greats in the history of soccer, but that was almost 50 years ago. Brasil did dominate the World Cup for many years, indeed, and I was on of their biggest fans. I do especially remember the 80s version of Brasil with fondness. That being said- calling Brasil a "black" team is  just as nonsensical as calling them white. Almost all of them were a happy  mix of ethnicities.

We are discussing soccer since it was claimed the lack of money was the explanation for lack of great black powerlifters. I pointed out that there were sports with great money, but without black "dominance". Black players are just as good as white players in soccer, but there is no relative dominance.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 16, 2016, 06:42:14 AM
Please see the FIFA rankings timeline above where you can see France was top ranked for as long as Germany. Sorry, you'll have to make up your mind and provide a final answer as to weather these two countries are dominant because they have performed exactly the same according to FIFA.  

Germany since they've performed far more consistently at World Cup's during that entire period. France have been very hit and miss since 2000.

And yes, Brazil have been the most successful team in World Cup history but also have the advantage of having a population and pool of talent vastly bigger than their major rivals.

Greatest all time World XI according to FIFA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_All-Time_Team
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 17, 2016, 05:35:00 PM
Pele was one of the greats in the history of soccer, but that was almost 50 years ago. Brasil did dominate the World Cup for many years, indeed, and I was on of their biggest fans. I do especially remember the 80s version of Brasil with fondness. That being said- calling Brasil a "black" team is  just as nonsensical as calling them white. Almost all of them were a happy  mix of ethnicities.

We are discussing soccer since it was claimed the lack of money was the explanation for lack of great black powerlifters. I pointed out that there were sports with great money, but without black "dominance". Black players are just as good as white players in soccer, but there is no relative dominance.

NN

no relative dominance?

The only reason they don't dominate european soccer is because they're not competing. They don't live there. One has to be included to win.

"one of the greats" haha look it's clear that accepting the black man as the master makes you uncomfortable. Nobody with any sense disputes who the greatest is.

(https://egpwallace.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/pa-148750.jpg)

ACCEPT THE TRUTH

 ;D
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 17, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
Germany since they've performed far more consistently at World Cup's during that entire period. France have been very hit and miss since 2000.

And yes, Brazil have been the most successful team in World Cup history but also have the advantage of having a population and pool of talent vastly bigger than their major rivals.

Greatest all time World XI according to FIFA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_All-Time_Team

Germany is no better than the France squad filled with to the brim with black players.  They have not been consistent as you can see from the recent rankings. 

As an aside Germany has a lot of money and spent $1 billion dollars on their program so it's good but once the rest of the world steals their innovations it's right back to where they came from battling for fourth place.  If they want to remain on top they'll have to keep spending to stay ahead.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 18, 2016, 12:35:45 AM
no relative dominance?

The only reason they don't dominate european soccer is because they're not competing. They don't live there. One has to be included to win.

"one of the greats" haha look it's clear that accepting the black man as the master makes you uncomfortable. Nobody with any sense disputes who the greatest is.

(https://egpwallace.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/pa-148750.jpg)

ACCEPT THE TRUTH

 ;D

Hehe, sorry- but the real money is in European soccer and the best South-American and African players are bought by European teams (Drogba, Toure, Eto'o, Neymar, Messi etc). Thus, European club soccer is the real yardstick of ethnical dominance.

NN

Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 18, 2016, 12:42:03 AM
Germany is no better than the France squad filled with to the brim with black players.  They have not been consistent as you can see from the recent rankings. 

As an aside Germany has a lot of money and spent $1 billion dollars on their program so it's good but once the rest of the world steals their innovations it's right back to where they came from battling for fourth place.  If they want to remain on top they'll have to keep spending to stay ahead.

This discussion could be more interesting if it was about the relative contribution of physical and mental faculties to different skills as a soccer player. I think the diversity of soccer players in one of the things that appeal to many. You can succeed even though you are not 2 meters tall and run the 100 meters below 10 seconds.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 18, 2016, 02:49:06 AM
Germany is no better than the France squad filled with to the brim with black players.  They have not been consistent as you can see from the recent rankings. 

As an aside Germany has a lot of money and spent $1 billion dollars on their program so it's good but once the rest of the world steals their innovations it's right back to where they came from battling for fourth place.  If they want to remain on top they'll have to keep spending to stay ahead.

The fact that a majority black team and a majority white team can both have periods of dominance proves the point that race isn't that relevant in the sport.
Anyway, you'd think in a sport that is black dominant, you'd have more black players making lists such as the one below:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2015/dec/21/the-100-best-footballers-in-the-world-2015-interactive
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: mr.turbo on May 18, 2016, 06:54:33 AM
The fact that a majority black team and a majority white team can both have periods of dominance proves the point that race isn't that relevant in the sport.
Anyway, you'd think in a sport that is black dominant, you'd have more black players making lists such as the one below:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2015/dec/21/the-100-best-footballers-in-the-world-2015-interactive

it's not a surprise, this is a UK publication of a survey where they used 50% European judges, try it again using a sample of judges in balanced proportion. These are the obvious imbalances that get accepted.Ultimately the sport was invented in UK so it's only natural.  Also it's big money so if the soccer powers could figure out how to market black players it would be game over but that's an uphill battle. you guys don't even accept Pele the man who invented the modern style.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: NordicNerd on May 18, 2016, 08:13:36 AM
it's not a surprise, this is a UK publication of a survey where they used 50% European judges, try it again using a sample of judges in balanced proportion. These are the obvious imbalances that get accepted.Ultimately the sport was invented in UK so it's only natural.  Also it's big money so if the soccer powers could figure out how to market black players it would be game over but that's an uphill battle. you guys don't even accept Pele the man who invented the modern style.

I do indeed accept Pele as one of the greatest player of all time. These kinds of discussion tend to polarize the arguments.

NN
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: SuperTed on May 18, 2016, 08:16:58 AM
it's not a surprise, this is a UK publication of a survey where they used 50% European judges, try it again using a sample of judges in balanced proportion. These are the obvious imbalances that get accepted.Ultimately the sport was invented in UK so it's only natural.  Also it's big money so if the soccer powers could figure out how to market black players it would be game over but that's an uphill battle. you guys don't even accept Pele the man who invented the modern style.

Which black players do you think should be on these lists that aren't? The list was done by former players and those involved within the sport and I think would be similar even with majority Asian or African judges. I don't agree with everything on the list since it's hard to compare players that play in different positions but I'd say that most of the names are worthy of their place.
My team's (Arsenal) greatest ever player was a black Frenchman (Thierry Henry). As with almost every other major sport, the best players will shine through regardless of race (as many black players have). It's got everything to do with ability on the field and nothing to do with marketing outside of it.

I've got nothing against anyone saying that Pele is the greatest of all time because it's probably true. However, I just find it baffling that you use this (and Brazil's success) to conclude that it is a black dominated sport.
Title: Re: Hebrew powerlifters
Post by: The Scott on May 20, 2016, 05:55:12 PM
For Buddha's sake, it's soccer, people!  Gerbils could play that gayme.  Yawwwwwwwnnnnnn.... ;D ;D ;D ;D