Hebrew powerlifters

[mr.turbo]

Messi and Maradona were/are better than Pele. Neither are black. Besides, how you can define racial "dominance" in a sport based on a single player is beyond me.  I will try to make my point clearer.

In the US, what is the proportion of players of african descent in NBL or the NFL? What is the proportion of people of african descent in the general US population? My guess is that in the NBL, the majority of the players performing above the 90th percentile (points etc...) are black, while the proportion in the general population according to Wikipedia is only 12.9 percent. That is dominance according to relative proportion!

You see nothing like that in soccer, except perhaps in France, where the national team had many black players relative to the general demographics. Maybe it would be best to look at the world cup statistics? How does the african teams perform? What is the proportion of african players performing at the top 90th percentile or above relative to the total demographical composition of all participating players? You could conveniently operationalize performance as goals scored or as assists. My guess is that you will see that there is no black dominance in the world cup. Further, no african team ever won. Brasil is an outlier, and to me, defining the race of many Brazilian players is difficult. They are mixed white, indian, black etc. Only a few are of pure african descent. I am not saying blacks are not good soccer players- I just say they are like any other ethnic group.

NN

the argument doesn't work when you say "you see nothing" then go on to list the top player and the top team as the "exceptions".

this is simply unacceptable and smacks as an another desperate attempt to *whitewash* history!

 

[AD2100]

Some men do just for the thrill of doing.

Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.

Some men still believe in being men

[mr.turbo]

Some men do just for the thrill of doing.

Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.

Some men still believe in being men

consider joining the "wolves of vinland"  they have a hut in the woods where they bond over tattoos, beer, whiskey, powerlifting and other tribal, manly stuff.

[Fortress]

And you post a meme depicting a "black" woman who in appearance represents maybe less than one percent of black females, what with her looking vastly more white than Hebrew (that is to say, not like a baboon).

[Al Doggity]

In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.

LOL I guess it just depends on how you look at it. To a hebrew like myself, this topic looks like just the opposite: a select group of pasty-faces grasping at straws and pretending that overrepresentation in a sport that almost no one cares about is due to some sort of elite genetic dominance.

[NordicNerd]

the argument doesn't work when you say "you see nothing" then go on to list the top player and the top team as the "exceptions".

this is simply unacceptable and smacks as an another desperate attempt to *whitewash* history!

 

I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.

NN

[Al Doggity]

I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.

NN

Not that my opinion is the be all and end all, but I can see where you are coming from. The black presence in soccer is not the same as it is in most popular American sports. I feel like mr. turbo's  argument is informed by what other posters have said in a thread that seems to have been started with racist intentions, while you aren't necessarily making a genetic argument. It seems like the two of you are having a debate that overlaps but doesn't quite dovetail. Turbo seems to be saying that the argument for genetic superiority in weightlifting is poor as is the argument for genetic superiority in soccer. It seems as if you're not necessarily making any observations about genetics.

[denarii]

why doesnt this thread have a sticky yet?

[mr.turbo]

I can understand why a black man could feel that way, but remember- our discussion is asymmetrical. I never claimed white superiority for soccer players. I said race doesn't matter in soccer. You are the one claiming black dominance. Thus, you are the one clinging to a racist position.

NN

I have not made any such claims.  You plainly stated that you see "none of the dominance" in soccer. I pointed out that it's a crazy thing to say. If you want me to make an assessment of dominance I'd have to review the data but what I do know is that the claim above is outrageous.

[NordicNerd]

I have not made any such claims.  You plainly stated that you see "none of the dominance" in soccer. I pointed out that it's a crazy thing to say. If you want me to make an assessment of dominance I'd have to review the data but what I do know is that the claim above is outrageous.

A good place to start would be to define the meaning of the word dominance and to operationalize it in order to evaluate it.

NN

[mr.turbo]

A good place to start would be to define the meaning of the word dominance and to operationalize it in order to evaluate it.

NN

I don't have a special definition. Dominance in sports like soccer is easy to see from stats. So the question is what are the stats on Africans in soccer? Brazil is dominant. Consider tracking the performance of the Brazilians and it's relation to the number of "Africans" or Europeans on the team. You can do the same thing with France or any other country for that matter.

Here's Brazil from 1930



They were eliminated by Yugoslavia in the group stage.

[mr.turbo]

the team that bookended the "dry spell" 1974-1990 where Brazil was not "dominant" ie winning world cups.



the teams that brought back the winning ways







 

[thebrink]

In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.

Hahaha bald headed  racist who knew lolz

[mr.turbo]

the French teams that managed to beat the Brazilians in world cup a couple times. This is what shows European dominance in soccer.

[mr.turbo]

winner of the best European soccer player poll of the last 50 years is Zidane. Of course his parents are both Africans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Golden_Jubilee_Poll

[The Wizard of Truth]

winner of the best European soccer player poll of the last 50 years is Zidane. Of course his parents are both Africans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Golden_Jubilee_Poll

And he's white

[Fortress]

Hahaha bald headed  racist who knew lolz

Now you do, dink.

[mr.turbo]

Most dominant team in history 1970



 

[mr.turbo]

Interesting chart. Soccer players make 20x as much in Europe than the US.



Team USA 2014



 

[thebrink]

Now you do, dink.

Yes typical canadian nazi cop please fulfill your steriotypre for everyone lol...

[_aj_]

Interesting chart. Soccer players make 20x as much in Europe than the US.



Team USA 2014



 

Probably because we don't give the slightest fuck about "soccer" (whatever that is).

[Fortress]

Yes typical canadian nazi cop please fulfill your steriotypre for everyone lol...

Dink, relax your sphincter, will ya.

It's all hijinks and hand grenades.

[NelsonMuntz]

Essentially in reference to Hebrews and powerlifting.....
They have  No Interest in Getting Geared up for Excellences with no Return in Swag

[SuperTed]

the French teams that managed to beat the Brazilians in world cup a couple times. This is what shows European dominance in soccer.

What dominance are you referring too? They haven't won anything for 16 years.

 

[mr.turbo]

What dominance are you referring too? They haven't won anything for 16 years.

 

Those teams beat Brazil. The secong one lost in the final with penalty kicks. I have not looked much at the recent records but I can continue if you absolutely insist!!