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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #125 on: May 11, 2016, 04:33:39 PM »
Those gyms are like Golds gym Venice. They produce good guys, great physiques, but no Olympia winners. It seems that many of the O winners come from obscure gyms. And the most dominate of modern O winners came from the South and and England. And all three had in common was a great work ethic.
Akim has some serious potential, but his back detail and thickness doesn't match his front, which shows a lack of priority/or work ethic. And he has that "thick skin" look that is hard to dry out---John Sherman, Edgar Fletcher, Vic Richards, Brandon Curry, and Beyeke all have or had that problem. Akim is strong as an ox, but if he got into shape, he'd do pretty well. Maybe a real dark horse in the future.
Juan Morel seems to be not interested in putting in the work. Maybe too pretty for it?

I feel like the New York bodybuilding scene really took off when Victor Martinez started making a name for himself. Even Kai Greene had been kicking around for about a decade and suddenly started to gain recognition around then. I could be biased because I moved to NYC around that time. I'm not saying it was all Victor, I think it was a combination of his success,  the rise of the internet and the unholy union of east coast Steves.

I think being an aspiring bodybuilder is probably tougher here than it is in a lot of other places. My personal theory with Juan is that he was the east coast golden boy for a minute, but after his past got exposed that kinda fizzled out. I think he is probably just happy being able to make a living bodybuilding. We worked out at the same gym right around the time he was going pro and right around the time Akim had just started competing and I honestly thought Juan was more suited for physique than bodybuilding.(Physique was nowhere near as popular 5-6 years ago) He just hasn't ever had that thick, full look. Also, back then his arms were about the same size as mine and I am natural. That's not me bragging. He had a really narrow waist, though, like unbelievably narrow.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #126 on: May 11, 2016, 11:19:15 PM »
sorry, Brazil has dominated soccer and the best player ever *the king* is black

keep dreaming

I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.

But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #127 on: May 11, 2016, 11:56:45 PM »
I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.

But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.

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Brazil and Latin America's (and the US to an extent) racial politics show that it is not a happy message.
The lighter you are, the prettier, and you are of better status. The more negro, the opposite. In many Latin American countries, to associate with the term or word "negro" or black, is seen as a negative---it means poor, ugly, etc.
If I am correct, the saying in Brazil is "A white woman for marriage, a mulata woman for sex, and a black woman for work", oddly in Brazil the mulata is often a brown to light brown skinned black woman. The "black woman" is dark skinned. And Pele himself has an adversion to black women.
Basically, Euros have propped themselves up as the standard bearer and people of color seek validation.
There is no Utopia of mixed race equality.

A good blog to read.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2016, 02:46:32 AM »
There's never been African world Cup winners because no matter how much promise they show in a tournament they never have enough mental discipline and end up fighting with each other, getting sent off, or fighting the coach. This has been passed on to European teams with African players, both France and Holland for instance had very very bad tournaments in the last few years due to dissent from african-origin players.

I think if an African team were to win a World Cup, it would most likely be a North African team. Algeria were far better in 2014 than any of the black African teams. What I've noticed with the black African nations is that although they often produce quality individual talents (Drogba, Aubameyang, Eto'o...etc), they tend to lack cohesion as a team and struggle to play with any kind or fluidity and technical ability.

The Brazilian team has always been a team of great racial diversity and although they've won the World Cup more times than any other nation, they've actually been less successful than Germany and Italy in contrast to their populations.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #129 on: May 12, 2016, 02:50:46 AM »
Our gold medalists in Olympic lifting are making real money in the NFL.  Olympic lifting requires power and strength. The same as the NFL except you can make millions there.

Bingo.  Powerlifting is for strong dudes who are too slow/unathletic to excel in any other sport

That might explain the lack of SHW's. But why can't America then produce weightlifters in the lower weight classes?

Are the smaller guys in the NFL too? ::)

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #130 on: May 12, 2016, 02:56:13 AM »
Brazil and Latin America's (and the US to an extent) racial politics show that it is not a happy message.
The lighter you are, the prettier, and you are of better status. The more negro, the opposite. In many Latin American countries, to associate with the term or word "negro" or black, is seen as a negative---it means poor, ugly, etc.
If I am correct, the saying in Brazil is "A white woman for marriage, a mulata woman for sex, and a black woman for work", oddly in Brazil the mulata is often a brown to light brown skinned black woman. The "black woman" is dark skinned. And Pele himself has an adversion to black women.
Basically, Euros have propped themselves up as the standard bearer and people of color seek validation.
There is no Utopia of mixed race equality.

A good blog to read.
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/

I see no reason to contest what you are writing. I was merely conveying my own views. In Norway where I live, I did not grow up with any special prejudice towards blacks (people perceived as of african descent), probably because there were so few of them. The main tension now is not towards blacks, but towards muslims/ arabs whom by many are viewed almost as an "invading" horde.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #131 on: May 12, 2016, 06:05:21 AM »
To determine if this term is fair one would have to ask if the majority assimilate well and respect your way of life, or do they see their own ideological religious belief (Islam) as superior and stick to that?

It depends really. Some do assimilate well into Europeon nations and contary to what is often said, many Muslims aren't starry–eyed when it comes to things like Sharia.

However, there is a unpleasant aspect to their culture which appears to be interested in conquesting and "Islamafying" non-Muslim lands. This aspect is part of the religious belief since Islam is by nature, a proselytizing faith which views Islam as being the only correct system. The fact that they refer to converts as being "reverts" is proof of this.

The problem with the secular Western Europeon nations is that they are quite ignorant of other cultures and view all religions as being the same.
The reality is that Islam isn't really like other religions. It has different components to it which dicate almost every aspect of life, society and politics.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #132 on: May 12, 2016, 07:16:47 AM »
I fail to see your point- Brazil and Pele were great and Brazil as a country must be one of the most racially mixed countries ever. Thus, the happy message could perhaps be that we should mix up the gene-pool anyway. But race does not matter in soccer for the most part.

But, from a purely physical perspective, I know from contact with people involved in an elite team in Norway who have recruited players from several western-African countries that they consider these players to be superior with regard to speed and explosive strength.

NN


you said you see "none the dominance from from Africans in soccer"

you must be dreaming.

I guess you're softening your position now but you need to accept that it's an absurd thing to say when the most dominant player in history is a black man. This is not my opinion that's just what the historians say.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2016, 07:44:27 AM »
you said you see "none the dominance from from Africans in soccer"

you must be dreaming.

I guess you're softening your position now but you need to accept that it's an absurd thing to say when the most dominant player in history is a black man. This is not my opinion that's just what the historians say.



He was correct though. He never said that they aren't any great black players. He said there is no black dominance in soccer - which is true.

Read what Wiggs wrote and his response:

Because there's no money in it. Otherwise we'd dominate that just like everything else.

There is lots of money in soccer but no black dominance. The two best players in the world are white/latino. Same goes for cycling- big money but very few blacks.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2016, 09:13:43 AM »
He was correct though. He never said that they aren't any great black players. He said there is no black dominance in soccer - which is true.

Read what Wiggs wrote and his response:


being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans! 

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2016, 09:20:59 AM »
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans! 



No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2016, 11:24:20 AM »
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

Or that whites dominate Acting of the higher school merely because of the great (but one and only) Tommy Wiseau.
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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2016, 12:07:27 PM »
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

haha ok so here we go again, Babe Ruth did not compete against blacks so yes it's not an argument that is even possible to make. Not that making an intelligible argument will limit this mental schema.

If the Congo won the World Cup you guys would come up with some type explaination for it to exclude African dominance.

As we can see, the mental gymnastics required are very impressive! Bordering on mania!

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2016, 12:21:43 PM »
No it doesnt, just like it would be ridiclous to claim that whites dominate baseball because of Babe Ruth being white.

I read that Babe Ruth was part black. I'm not kidding.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2016, 01:23:01 PM »
haha ok so here we go again, Babe Ruth did not compete against blacks so yes it's not an argument that is even possible to make. Not that making an intelligible argument will limit this mental schema.

If the Congo won the World Cup you guys would come up with some type explaination for it to exclude African dominance.

As we can see, the mental gymnastics required are very impressive! Bordering on mania!



Point taken regarding Babe Ruth. I don't know anything about baseball so was unsure of the history.

As for soccer though, it isn't a black dominated sport and only someone who has zero knowledge on the sport would even suggest this. Black dominated would mean that almost all the top athletes in the sport are black (like in basketball or sprinting), but this clearly isn't the case in soccer.

Just look at the players who are rated as the best in the world:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2015/dec/21/the-100-best-footballers-in-the-world-2015-interactive

https://www.easports.com/uk/fifa/news/2015/fifa-16-ratings-top-50

Your argument is based purely on Pele and the Brazilian national team.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2016, 01:28:50 PM »
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans!  


Messi and Maradona were/are better than Pele. Neither are black. Besides, how you can define racial "dominance" in a sport based on a single player is beyond me.  I will try to make my point clearer.

In the US, what is the proportion of players of african descent in NBL or the NFL? What is the proportion of people of african descent in the general US population? My guess is that in the NBL, the majority of the players performing above the 90th percentile (points etc...) are black, while the proportion in the general population according to Wikipedia is only 12.9 percent. That is dominance according to relative proportion!

You see nothing like that in soccer, except perhaps in France, where the national team had many black players relative to the general demographics. Maybe it would be best to look at the world cup statistics? How does the african teams perform? What is the proportion of african players performing at the top 90th percentile or above relative to the total demographical composition of all participating players? You could conveniently operationalize performance as goals scored or as assists. My guess is that you will see that there is no black dominance in the world cup. Further, no african team ever won. Brasil is an outlier, and to me, defining the race of many Brazilian players is difficult. They are mixed white, indian, black etc. Only a few are of pure african descent. I am not saying blacks are not good soccer players- I just say they are like any other ethnic group.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #141 on: May 12, 2016, 01:52:21 PM »
being the greatest soccer player in history doesn't count as dominance?  ok I get it you mean "teams".

this is the part where you say the Brazilians are not *pure* Africans! 


Maradona is the greatest soccer player of all time

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #142 on: May 12, 2016, 01:56:56 PM »
Maradona is the greatest soccer player of all time

Maradona has skill but the experts point to three world cups, innovation, skills and scoring records for pele.
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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #143 on: May 12, 2016, 02:18:06 PM »
Maradona has skill but the experts point to three world cups, innovation, skills and scoring records for pele.

All due respect to Pele and Maradona, but Messi is godlike. Look at this video- the main difference compared to Maradona and Pele is the tempo of it all. Modern football is very different from that of the 70s or even the 80s.


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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #144 on: May 12, 2016, 02:26:43 PM »
As long as they are big black and muscley, the Gayor approves of hebrew powerlifters







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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #145 on: May 13, 2016, 08:51:25 AM »
In general, whites are just superior in potential to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #146 on: May 13, 2016, 09:39:23 AM »
In general, white's are just superior to achieve elite absolute strength.

Chocolate faces hate to have to relinquish any form of physical superiority because they're so woefully underwhelming intellectually.

If they aren't top dog in sporting events, what else can they claim?

Records for Muggings, break-and-enters and unchecked procreation?

They can shoot hoops and crazy-leg like crazy, but when it comes to moving world-beating poundages, most of them are left looting from fellow competitors's glove compartments while trophies are being awarded.

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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #147 on: May 13, 2016, 10:45:04 AM »
The Arnold Classic Powerlifting winner gets $1000

nobody cares about powerlifters

sorry but all the tears fall on deaf ears
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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #148 on: May 13, 2016, 10:47:31 AM »
All due respect to Pele and Maradona, but Messi is godlike. Look at this video- the main difference compared to Maradona and Pele is the tempo of it all. Modern football is very different from that of the 70s or even the 80s.



I go to the FIFA page and they have Pele listed as "the god of football". 

Maybe you should send this video to FIFA?
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Re: Hebrew powerlifters
« Reply #149 on: May 13, 2016, 10:49:33 AM »
The Arnold Classic Powerlifting winner gets $1000

nobody cares about powerlifters

sorry but all the tears fall on deaf ears

Some men do just for the thrill of doing.

Some men are alpha and do not require the adulation of others.

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