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We've all read Arnold's stories about going to train with Reg Park who was using huge weights for his calves - 1000 lbs plus! This sounds like BS to me.
First of all Reg Park's calves were really not that amazing so obviously those heavy weights were not working. Steve Reeves had better calves (genetics) compared to Reg Park.
In my own experience I found using huge weights in calves training just meant that my form suffered and I could not do enough reps to get them to burn intensely. I have had better results with very high reps (25 - 50 lbs) and light weight or even body weight. When you look at ballet dancers they have amazing calves and are doing mostly body weight exercises.
Arnold was a bullshit artist. Remember the bad advices he gave the guy who yelled out onstage all oiled up and had to be carried off because of all the noise he was making - lol?
How many people have fucked up their feet / back trying to handle weights on the calves machines they shouldn't have because they heard about what Arnold said?
I also read that Arnold used esiclene in his calves to add that extra inch or more for photo shoots / competitions. Who knows. Just always been suspicious about him equating huge weights with calves growth when I found in my own case it just means sloppy form.
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Reeves had impressive Calves.
(https://cdn.muscleandstrength.com/sites/default/files/images/articles/articles/steve-reeves.jpg)
Reg Park's were not bad by any means but when looking at these two compared who's advice would you follow? The reality is Reeves just had better calves genetics and Park's training methods did not make a difference.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2007/mahler109_b.jpg)
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According to Mike Quinn, Weider sent Arnold to a doctor in Mexico to get his calves worked on. Quinn claims Weider asked him to see the same doctor to get his calves done.
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Heavy or light, mine never grew. I tried everything I could think of, even pellius' legendary dictionary routine.
For me, any intense calf work, whether high weight or high reps, kalmost always just results in a quick cessation of muscle sensation followed by a rapid onset of ankle/tendon pain. Only once in a blue moon did I get a good pump going.
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Heavy or light, mine never grew. I tried everything I could think of, even pellius' legendary dictionary routine.
For me, any intense calf work, whether high weight or high reps, kalmost always just results in a quick cessation of muscle sensation followed by a rapid onset of ankle/tendon pain. Only once in a blue moon did I get a good pump going.
You will get a good pump doing very slow calves raises barefoot (on a flat surface, block not needed, hold a few seconds at the top) with body weight till the pain is so intense you cannot continue. Depending on how heavy you are this could be either 25 or 50 reps. Do a 100 reps of that and they will be in pain the next day.
Another thing that works pretty good are farmer's walks with a 60 lbs dumbbell in each hand. Walk on your toes for 100 feet or more.
I always feel like my calves look so much better after pumping them up. But only 1/2" is added and it is temporary. After the workout they deflate again. My calves are currently around 19" cold and I started out with 15" calves as a teenager!
I guess yes heavyweights (but not 1000 lbs?!) do help occasionally to shock them. I just don't see how anyone could do 1000 lbs raises and not fuck their feet up?
I agree with you - I find that with calves training the weakest link are the feet and ankles. They get punished more than the calves! However with light weights and high reps my calves are sore every time the day after working them out.
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Heavy or light, mine never grew. I tried everything I could think of, even pellius' legendary dictionary routine.
For me, any intense calf work, whether high weight or high reps, kalmost always just results in a quick cessation of muscle sensation followed by a rapid onset of ankle/tendon pain. Only once in a blue moon did I get a good pump going.
And once you get the micro tears in your Achilles, it's all over but the crying...
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Steve Reeves worked his calves doing Barbell Hack Squats going up on his toes, and putting the bar down between each rep, as Georg Hackenschmidt did. Hackenschmidt popularized the Barbell Hack Squat, and it was named for him, as people started calling it "Hack's Squat," though Hackenschmidt himself said the name "Hack" came from the German word for heel, as you need to lift your heels.
Steve Reeves designed a Barbell Hack Squat Machine (Not to be confused with modern Hack Squat Machine) when he was training at York, with Jon Grimek, for the Mr. Universe. The machinists there built it for him, and he used it to good effect.
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Heavy or light, mine never grew. I tried everything I could think of, even pellius' legendary dictionary routine.
For me, any intense calf work, whether high weight or high reps, kalmost always just results in a quick cessation of muscle sensation followed by a rapid onset of ankle/tendon pain. Only once in a blue moon did I get a good pump going.
My calves can get a pump very rapidly with just light weight. They've always been a strength for me. I've found that my best bodyparts are the ones that pump up the quickest and the easiest. My weak bodparts are the ones that don't pump as easily or as quickly. i.e. I can get my calves completely pumped up with just two sets. While my weaker bodyparts (my back) takes several sets to feel a full pump. I firmly believe the bodyparts that pump the best, become your best bodyparts.
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I remember reading about the Reg Park 1000 lbs calves exercise and some years later reading the same story but the number was reduced to 800 lbs and then 600 lbs which still sounds ridiculous. High rep (20-25+) training for calves is torture but I don't think it produced any different results for me. I prefer something in the 12-15 rep range with full contraction.
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Heavy or light, mine never grew. I tried everything I could think of
This. Calves are genetic. Even Matarazzo said his never-lifted-weights dad's were bigger. He stopped training them altogether.
I still hit my shitty twigs only because it feels good.
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I tried everything I could think of,
You really should have given it more thought then.
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Calves are mostly a genetic trait, however if they're small but have good muscle shape you can put on good size by training correctly. I find that barefoot reps on a block of wood or a book work the best. Just do 100-200 a day.
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Calves are mostly a genetic trait, however if they're small but have good muscle shape you can put on good size by training correctly. I find that barefoot reps on a block of wood or a book work the best. Just do 100-200 a day.
You've said nothing.
If they're genetically inclined for growth, light/heavy/ANY training will build them up.
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Arnold might have gone to Reg as Reg had built half decent calves from a low genetic base. Its absolutely pointless guys with low genetic ability for calves asking guys with calve genetics how they built them.
Arnold clearly had calve genetics but he needed to unlock the potential, maybe Reg was the key, wouldn't believe too much what mike quinn says most of his rants about anything are these days made from a prescribed medicated position, and anything from prior years was similar just unprescribed recs, instead. Dribble from a psychotic state of mind.
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You've said nothing.
If they're genetically inclined for growth, light/heavy/ANY training will build them up.
Why did all of you guys, who claim to have shitty genetics, ever start training to begin with?
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You've said nothing.
If they're genetically inclined for growth, light/heavy/ANY training will build them up.
Nein, not just any training, heavy calf raises do nothing for me. All body weight and slow, controlled reps.
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Arnold might have gone to Reg as Reg had built half decent calves from a low genetic base. Its absolutely pointless guys with low genetic ability for calves asking guys with calve genetics how they built them.
Arnold clearly had calve genetics but he needed to unlock the potential, maybe Reg was the key, wouldn't believe too much what mike quinn says most of his rants about anything are these days made from a prescribed medicated position, and anything from prior years was similar just unprescribed recs, instead. Dribble from a psychotic state of mind.
Ok, good point. I just don't believe the ridiculous 1000lbs claim he made. Reg might have gotten the same results or even better if he trained like a ballet dancer.
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I used all the exercises and got OK shape and size, but my calves really grew from powerlifting.
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Ok, good point. I just don't believe the ridiculous 1000lbs claim he made. Reg might have gotten the same results or even better if he trained like a ballet dancer.
Arnold never wrote a book, nor article, in his whole life. Everything was ghost written, and he got paid for putting his name on it. Especially from Weider, all kinds of bull shit was published. When Weider started getting ads for running shoes in his publication in the 1970s, he published articles stating that Arnold ran 8 miles per day. Never happened!
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I remember reading about the Reg Park 1000 lbs calves exercise and some years later reading the same story but the number was reduced to 800 lbs and then 600 lbs which still sounds ridiculous. High rep (20-25+) training for calves is torture but I don't think it produced any different results for me. I prefer something in the 12-15 rep range with full contraction.
Here Arnold is training with around 600 lbs.
(http://i0.wp.com/primehealthsolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-11-at-1.31.08-PM.png)
http://www.flexonline.com/training/legs/calves/complete-arnold-calves (http://www.flexonline.com/training/legs/calves/complete-arnold-calves)
"Again, it’s about progression; if you’re using 1,000 pounds but can’t go all the way up, you’re training too heavy and wasting your time. The goal is to lift the heaviest weight possible that still allows you to use a full range of motion. I also used other techniques to squeeze out every last bit of intensity and spark new growth. Other than doing forced reps with the help of a partner, my favorite techniques were peak contractions and what I used to call a “pumping action.” Peak contraction is simply a matter of holding the top of each rep and squeezing the calves for three to four counts before lowering the weight. This was very painful, but I always relished the muscle burn and felt it would only make me bigger."
The article does acknowledge that if the weight is too heavy you're wasting your time.
How much is he training with here?
(http://cdn-flex0.heartyhosting.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/styles/node_image/public/FL03052_2014-1.jpg?itok=9egtaIS_)
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Arnold never wrote a book, nor article, in his whole life. Everything was ghost written, and he got paid for putting his name on it. Especially from Weider, all kinds of bull shit was published. When Weider started getting ads for running shoes in his publication in the 1970s, he published articles stating that Arnold ran 8 miles per day. Never happened!
I am sure Arnold did provide some sound bites for the books - obviously they were written by others. It is irresponsible of them to suggest that he or Reg trained calves with 1000lbs - that would fuck up a lot of people if they even tried it.
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Lol, zero calves raises were done in this video below! Arnold never did 1000lbs calves raises - I'd like to see a picture as proof.
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FIXED: Here Arnold is posing with around 600 lbs.
(http://i0.wp.com/primehealthsolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2015-06-11-at-1.31.08-PM.png)
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Arnold was/is a good car salesman just like Tom Platz in his heyday of doing interviews ( wait a minute, Tom was indeed a car salesman)....Bottom Line: FULL OF SHIT!!... ;D
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Sorry Bro. Had it written up on Word.
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Sorry Bro. Had it written up on Word.
You can use paragraphs in Word as well.
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PfffffT Calves!!.....Not even juice would bring them up!...
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We've all read Arnold's stories about going to train with Reg Park who was using huge weights for his calves - 1000 lbs plus! This sounds like BS to me.
First of all Reg Park's calves were really not that amazing so obviously those heavy weights were not working. Steve Reeves had better calves (genetics) compared to Reg Park.
In my own experience I found using huge weights in calves training just meant that my form suffered and I could not do enough reps to get them to burn intensely. I have had better results with very high reps (25 - 50 lbs) and light weight or even body weight. When you look at ballet dancers they have amazing calves and are doing mostly body weight exercises.
Arnold was a bullshit artist. Remember the bad advices he gave the guy who yelled out onstage all oiled up and had to be carried off because of all the noise he was making - lol?
How many people have fucked up their feet / back trying to handle weights on the calves machines they shouldn't have because they heard about what Arnold said?
I also read that Arnold used esiclene in his calves to add that extra inch or more for photo shoots / competitions. Who knows. Just always been suspicious about him equating huge weights with calves growth when I found in my own case it just means sloppy form.
Well, if you are an idiot, you just follow what your idols do an try to copy that. If you have a brains, you do what ever make your muscles grow. It is common knowledge that calves are hard to train, so why wouldn't you follow thse simple thumb rules:
1. Full fucking range of motion
2. As much weight you can lift with ful fucking range of motion at least 15 reps.
3. repeate until you have bigger calves.
I see full range of motion used for the calves only when I train them myself. I wonder why it is like that? Because you can lift metric tons with 1-1½" range of motion, and it make your ego feel good. It doesn't do much for your calves, but your ego grows so you can add even more weight ;D
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From my sole experience, fuck the 15 rep rule, just useless lactic acid buildup!!...You need 8-10 Heavy shit rep motions to annihilate your calves to oblivion, Fuck the Arnold BS!...
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From my sole experience, fuck the 15 rep rule, just useless lactic acid buildup!!...You need 8-10 Heavy shit rep motions to annihilate your calves to oblivion, Fuck the Arnold BS!...
In fact you are just proving my words. Let see your earlier statement: "PfffffT Calves!!.....Not even juice would bring them up!..." and then: "From my sole experience, fuck the 15 rep rule, just useless lactic acid buildup!!...You need 8-10 Heavy shit rep motions to annihilate your calves to oblivion, Fuck the Arnold BS!..." So if not even juice would bring them up, how do you know that heavy reps do?
And you are telling that you aren't man enough to go beyond the pain barrier, which means working your way through the pain of lactic acid buildup? Pain is only feeling, put it a side and continue reps, and you see what happens. All the real gains are there. Haven't you heard it? No pain, no gain ;D
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Been There with or without juice!....To Be Honest, for Calves, don't make a difference, Just Genetics, Nothing Else!!....Take a lot of Respect From Your Post, You're definitely Right!...
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Been There with or without juice!....To Be Honest, for Calves, don't make a difference, Just Genetics, Nothing Else!!....Take a lot of Respect From Your Post, You're definitely Right!...
Fuck the genetics, it is only an excuse for getting easy way out. There is plenty of examples how bodybuilders has improve their weak calves by plain old hard work, because that is what works. And it works for everybody, you just need to do it, or cry and do it, until smoke comes out from your calves. Long reps, long range of motion and long stretches between the sets would do it for anybody.
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It all boils down to genetics. Black men have no calves for example. There is a large Dutch man in my town of many large Dutch people, he is old and has a lot of back pain. He is huge and has never worked out. His calves are twice the size of Arnold in his prime I shit you not. Genetics baby.
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Well, if you are an idiot, you just follow what your idols do an try to copy that. If you have a brains, you do what ever make your muscles grow. It is common knowledge that calves are hard to train, so why wouldn't you follow thse simple thumb rules:
1. Full fucking range of motion
2. As much weight you can lift with ful fucking range of motion at least 15 reps.
3. repeate until you have bigger calves.
I see full range of motion used for the calves only when I train them myself. I wonder why it is like that? Because you can lift metric tons with 1-1½" range of motion, and it make your ego feel good. It doesn't do much for your calves, but your ego grows so you can add even more weight ;D
Well, young kids growing up don't know yet how their muscles will respond and if they read Arnold did 1000 lbs calf raises I am sure some are going to try to go as heavy as they can. After a few years they realize oh shit that was BS! And why a few years. Because they keep thinking the weight is not enough!
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It all boils down to genetics. Black men have no calves for example. There is a large Dutch man in my town of many large Dutch people, he is old and has a lot of back pain. He is huge and has never worked out. His calves are twice the size of Arnold in his prime I shit you not. Genetics baby.
This. I see this all the time. Old white fat guys with ripped calves. I've seen a few older white women with mind boggling calves that are striated and veins everywhere. Just unreal. And you know what, if they did heavy standing calves their calves would improve a little but not enough to justify all that effort.
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This. I see this all the time. Old white fat guys with ripped calves. I've seen a few older white women with mind boggling calves that are striated and veins everywhere. Just unreal. And you know what, if they did heavy standing calves their calves would improve a little but not enough to justify all that effort.
The best biggest most freaky ripped calves I've ever seen was on an old fat lady. Swear to god Dorian would have been jealous. To this day I'm in awe. Wish I had a pic.
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The best biggest most freaky ripped calves I've ever seen was on an old fat lady. Swear to god Dorian would have been jealous. To this day I'm in awe. Wish I had a pic.
I don't doubt it. I just shake my head when I see that. I've seen old thin women with huge ripped calves. Everything else is falling apart but those damn calves hang in there till the end.
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Heavy or light, mine never grew. I tried everything I could think of, even pellius' legendary dictionary routine.
For me, any intense calf work, whether high weight or high reps, kalmost always just results in a quick cessation of muscle sensation followed by a rapid onset of ankle/tendon pain. Only once in a blue moon did I get a good pump going.
I have genetically poor calves. Furthermore, I broke my leg and destroyed my right knee, only to rip the Achilles on the left side a yr later. Naturally, my calves went from bad to worse. I got them bigger than ever by simply doing light weight, high rep seated and or standing raises, coupled with body weight exercises every day. By no means do I have great calves, nor are they a standout body part for me, but I do feel no embarrassment in shorts and I'm happy enough with them. I now only train them 2 or 3 times weekly and they're fine
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Every time a thread like this comes up about calves I keep telling you guys the proper way to train them for maximum results and nobody listens so I'm not telling you guys again!
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Hit your calves with a hammer and see how sore they get. A 1000lbs hammer.
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All you fuckers are spoiled to hell. My gym has no standing calf machine at all, much less a donkey calf machine. Im too shy to ask some stranger to sit on my back for donkeys.
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Banded calve work twice a week 3 sets 8,6,4 increasing resistance per set....
Good example here of how juice doesn't help your muscle bellies. If you have poor calves, even juice doesn't help. But, it is fun to watch guys wear long black socks and pants to the gym...so, keep it up.
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Seriously: I always found the Arnold-calf thing amazing. He was (so is) very ecto with poor calves to start with. He brought up his to a very high level, at that time. I am sure they weren't implants, we're talking 40-plus years ago...pics and films show that it's muscle beyond a doubt.
So: how did he do it? I think the only answer is that Arnold really had that rare capability to train and train and train beyond pain and belief, and that it payed off. Arnold had (has) that unique personality that made it possible for him to become what he became.
I do not like the US in some cases, but Arnold is the American Dream himself....
says Dr Dutch
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If you have shit calves, you will always have shit calves, I had good calves at 15 carrying beds up and downstairs at a furniture store.
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Biking also helps with calves.
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Biking also helps with calves.
Not as much as speed skating, cross country skiing, and speed walking.
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Not as much as speed skating, cross country skiing, and speed walking.
Prove?
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Prove?
https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+fitzrandolph+legs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYkLCe5JbPAhWM1IMKHZPNCwwQ7AkILA&biw=1437&bih=717#imgdii=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3B805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3BS5vra7_E4bb_gM%3A&imgrc=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A
Everyone who participates intensely in the sports that I mentioned, gets great legs, including calves. Casey Fitzrandolph is just one example. Cyclist don't even have thighs that match them, let alone calves.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+fitzrandolph+legs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYkLCe5JbPAhWM1IMKHZPNCwwQ7AkILA&biw=1437&bih=717#imgdii=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3B805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A%3BS5vra7_E4bb_gM%3A&imgrc=805t8_k4iN3uWM%3A
Everyone who participates intensely in the sports that I mentioned, gets great legs, including calves. Casey Fitzrandolph is just one example. Cyclist don't even have thighs that match them, let alone calves.
If anything the above pictures prove the use of PEDs only.
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If anything the above pictures prove the use of PEDs only.
That's because you are stupid. How come your PED use resulted in nothing?
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That's because you are stupid. How come your PED use resulted in nothing?
How come you ask stupid questions?
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How come you ask stupid questions?
Because the forum enjoys seeing your really stupid answers.
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Because the forum enjoys seeing your really stupid answers.
Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
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TY, again!
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Why did all of you guys, who claim to have shitty genetics, ever start training to begin with?
How would one know his genetics are shitty beforehand? And why would he then abandon training his more responsive muscles on accounta shitty calves?
Silly question.
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TY, again!
You're welcome.
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Well, young kids growing up don't know yet how their muscles will respond and if they read Arnold did 1000 lbs calf raises I am sure some are going to try to go as heavy as they can. After a few years they realize oh shit that was BS! And why a few years. Because they keep thinking the weight is not enough!
So if you can't do it, it is bullshit? No it isn't, it means just that you aren't strong enough, smart enough to do it right, or just like any other spoiled brat. It is no miracle that muscles grow by hard work. If assclowns like you are willing to do that hard work decade after decade, that is the miracle ;D
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How would one know their genetics are shitty beforehand? And why would we then abandon training our responsive muscles on accounta shitty calves?
Silly question.
I don't know. Didn't you have a mirror?
Why wouldn't you learn to exercise properly, dial in your diet, and supplement properly, to get the results, that you didn't get?
Sounds as though you have terminal case of Fuckingarounditis.
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I don't know. Didn't you have a mirror?
Why wouldn't you learn to exercise properly, dial in your diet, and supplement properly, to get the results, that you didn't get?
Sounds as though you have terminal case of Fuckingarounditis.
Seems you've figured it all out.
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Seems you've figured it all out.
Yup!
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ERIK C., Sometimes I run across some damn interesting comments on this GetBig Board and what you said about Reeves and the York Barbell crew was a surprise to me.
I've known or have met most of the York gang all the way from Hoffman and Grimick, down to the lessor recalled Bill Starr who wrote many of the articles on behalf of the individuals who took no part in writing them ... as well as Steve himself...... and I never realized that he had any connection with the York Barbell guys nor was instrumental in the construction of a calf machine of any type.
Thanks, ERIK C. This kind of info if great for anyone who intends to write a book about them good old days of lifting heavy things.
PS... Here's a question for anyone who thinks they know this 'important stuff' ..... Name the Olympic Lifting team which beat the York Barbell Team and the year it occurred.
You get extra points if you can name the team members on both sides.
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ERIK C., Sometimes I run across some damn interesting comments on this GetBig Board and what you said about Reeves and the York Barbell crew was a surprise to me.
I've known dor have met most of the York gang all the way from Hoffman and Grimick, down to the lessor recalled Bill Starr who wrote many of the articles on behalf of the individuals who took no part in writing them ... as well as Steve himself...... and I never realized that he had any connection with the York Barbell guys nor was instrumental in the construction of a calf machine of any type.
Thanks, ERIK C. This kind of info if great for anyone who intends to write a book about them good old days of lifting heavy things.
PS... Here's a question for anyone who thinks they know this 'important stuff' ..... Name the Olympic Lifting team which beat the York Barbell Team and the year it occurred.
You get extra points if you can name the team members on both sides.
Here you go https://www.scribd.com/doc/65513699/How-Steve-Reeves-Trained-by-John-Grimek
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@stuntmovie:
Steve Reeves Hack Squat Machine:
http://i.imgur.com/yqY39f3.jpg
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Thanks, DOKEY and ERIK.
I'm a 'think I know it all' kind of individual so it's good to often realize how stupid I really am and then get to know it all once again in the process.
Thanks for the ed-u-ma-ca-tion once again.
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Thanks, DOKEY and ERIK.
I'm a 'think I know it all' kind of individual so it's good to often realize how stupid I really am and then get to know it all once again in the process.
Thanks for the ed-u-ma-ca-tion once again.
YW stuntmovie. You have made a lot of useful contributions to this forum, unlike most of the know nothing, gasbag, assholes who post here.
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Arnold never wrote a book, nor article, in his whole life. Everything was ghost written, and he got paid for putting his name on it. Especially from Weider, all kinds of bull shit was published. When Weider started getting ads for running shoes in his publication in the 1970s, he published articles stating that Arnold ran 8 miles per day. Never happened!
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GOOD POINT... Rick Wayne (Editor of Muscle Builder/Muscle&Fitness back in the late 70's/80's) basically said the same thing back in the day, that HE wrote the vast majority of the "Title Winners" training articles,
not all of course but a big percentage...
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I had zero calves when I was younger. Worked them once a week for 35 years and now they're decent.
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GOOD POINT... Rick Wayne (Editor of Muscle Builder/Muscle&Fitness back in the late 70's/80's) basically said the same thing back in the day, that HE wrote the vast majority of the "Title Winners" training articles,
not all of course but a big percentage...
Correct! Most publications don't print what is useful to the would be bodybuilder, just what sells their advertiser's products, whether they are useful, or not. Mostly not.
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So if you can't do it, it is bullshit? No it isn't, it means just that you aren't strong enough, smart enough to do it right, or just like any other spoiled brat. It is no miracle that muscles grow by hard work. If assclowns like you are willing to do that hard work decade after decade, that is the miracle ;D
Wow, you are amazing. How do we all get to be as smart as you? Can you please make a thread so we can all learn?? ;D
I did get my calves up to 19.5" pumped though. How big are your calves?
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Wow, you are amazing. How do we all get to be as smart as you? Can you please make a thread so we can all learn?? ;D
I did get my calves up to 19.5" pumped though. How big are your calves?
Of course you have, 19.5" long calves. But dear child, only diameter is interesting, and if that is the diameter, it is more like a forearm of a child than calves of man..
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This. Calves are genetic. Even Matarazzo said his never-lifted-weights dad's were bigger. He stopped training them altogether.
I still hit my shitty twigs only because it feels good.
Lol, made me legit chuckle. Mine are pathetic too.
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I had zero calves when I was younger. Worked them once a week for 35 years and now they're decent.
what's your routine, if any?
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Well, young kids growing up don't know yet how their muscles will respond and if they read Arnold did 1000 lbs calf raises I am sure some are going to try to go as heavy as they can. After a few years they realize oh shit that was BS! And why a few years. Because they keep thinking the weight is not enough!
Yeah most of us have been there I presume.
It is part of growing up as a BB :)
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Of course you have, 19.5" long calves. But dear child, only diameter is interesting, and if that is the diameter, it is more like a forearm of a child than calves of man..
hehe :D
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Yeah most of us have been there I presume.
It is part of growing up as a BB :)
Problem here is real simple, and as an old geezer, I have seen it plenty of times. There is always some bloke who cry because he can't get his calves grow. I ask what he do, he show me 1-2" reps with enormous weight, and I laugh at him. Then I show what the range of motion really should be, and put him through a little bit of real workout. When/if he ever returns, he is crying again because he have never experienced that kind of pain. When I learn it myself, I walk like I have wooden legs because I wasn't able to move my ankles at all. Little bit of rationalization of the training and lot of stretching, and there we go. These spoiled little brats cannot understand it, because they don't even sweat when they are "training".
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I think Arnold basically NEVER trained calves before, that's why there was such a change when he not only started actually training them but really pushed it.
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Problem here is real simple, and as an old geezer, I have seen it plenty of times. There is always some bloke who cry because he can't get his calves grow. I ask what he do, he show me 1-2" reps with enormous weight, and I laugh at him. Then I show what the range of motion really should be, and put him through a little bit of real workout. When/if he ever returns, he is crying again because he have never experienced that kind of pain. When I learn it myself, I walk like I have wooden legs because I wasn't able to move my ankles at all. Little bit of rationalization of the training and lot of stretching, and there we go. These spoiled little brats cannot understand it, because they don't even sweat when they are "training".
THIS!
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Thats exactly right, his calves have the same shape today as before when they were untrained just bigger
I think Arnold basically NEVER trained calves before, that's why there was such a change when he not only started actually training them but really pushed it.
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I never do stretching, not even after calf exercises. As a finisher after a calf routine, I use a D.A.R.D. It makes a big difference, hitting the muscles on the "front" of the calves.
Also as a natty, I use a compound exercise, before calf isolation exercises, to naturally release the body's own growth hormone. Usually, it is barbell hack squats, before calf isolation work, 20 reps.
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Try going out on a bike once a week, it'll do wonders for your cardio but also bring up your calves....it's that kind of repetitive action performed thousands of times an hour that you cant replicate in the gym.llanybydder.co.uk
Try it, buy a shitty old bike and ride around your neighborhood for an hour a week, you'll get better results than endless calf raises and the assorted other snake oil machines in the gym.
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Try going out on a bike once a week, it'll do wonders for your cardio but also bring up your calves....it's that kind of repetitive action performed thousands of times an hour that you cant replicate in the gym.llanybydder.co.uk
Try it, buy a shitty old bike and ride around your neighborhood for an hour a week, you'll get better results than endless calf raises and the assorted other snake oil machines in the gym.
I bike hours every day, absolutely zero calf gains.
I don't get any calf sensation from walking up hills, jumping, or anything like that either.
I never understood this reasoning, goes so far against "bodybuilding common sense" and every generally espoused theory of hypertrophy.
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calf training is bullshit
just wear trousers
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Of course you have, 19.5" long calves. But dear child, only diameter is interesting, and if that is the diameter, it is more like a forearm of a child than calves of man..
Pretty funny old fart!! I wonder who has 19-20" diameter calves though???!!!! Wow that is massive - like a man's torso or even bigger.
Mine are 19.5" in circumference pumped and 19" cold.
I am sure there are a few 20" circumference calves though. You know Ben Pakulski's calves were measured with a circumference of just under 20" on youtube? I could not believe it and thought his was at least 21" or more. Makes you wonder how many really have 20" calves??
Of course my calves are not close to as impressive as Ben's. He has a lot more detail and taper.
(http://www.blazediamond.com/page-images/Diameteandcircum.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/66/02/10/660210572c1787055b66df5c7b9060a9.jpg)
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I bike hours every day, absolutely zero calf gains.
I don't get any calf sensation from walking up hills, jumping, or anything like that either.
I never understood this reasoning, goes so far against "bodybuilding common sense" and every generally espoused theory of hypertrophy.
This. Cycling does nothing for my calves. Walking up a hill will work your calves.
These are some of the top cyclists. I don't see big calves on these winners. The one fella has larger calves but the other two are average.
(http://www.ilovebicycling.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/winners-of-the-tour-de-france.jpg)
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I find it makes zero difference If I train calves or not they look the same, maybe even smaller when training them regularly.
The best workouts I ever got in then were for almost 2 weeks solid doing a very large job on a massive press and had to climb about 12 foot up a cage where you can only fit the fronts of your feet in, we had to make this climb a lot of times a day and stand in that position for good lengths of time.
Almost every night I'd wake up with cramps in them and it was about a week after they felt normal again, zero growth though even after all that
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So the morals of this thread are:
Don't believe something is true just because it is printed in a muscle mag, or you saw in on the internet.
If something doesn't work, then don't keep wasting your time, doing it over and over again.
And, if something doesn't work, then that doesn't mean nothing will work. Find something that will work for you.
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Pretty funny old fart!! I wonder who has 19-20" diameter calves though???!!!! Wow that is massive - like a man's torso or even bigger.
Mine are 19.5" in circumference pumped and 19" cold.
I am sure there are a few 20" circumference calves though. You know Ben Pakulski's calves were measured with a circumference of just under 20" on youtube? I could not believe it and thought his was at least 21" or more. Makes you wonder how many really have 20" calves??
Of course my calves are not close to as impressive as Ben's. He has a lot more detail and taper.
(http://www.blazediamond.com/page-images/Diameteandcircum.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/66/02/10/660210572c1787055b66df5c7b9060a9.jpg)
Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron? You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit ;D
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This. Cycling does nothing for my calves. Walking up a hill will work your calves.
These are some of the top cyclists. I don't see big calves on these winners. The one fella has larger calves but the other two are average.
(http://www.ilovebicycling.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/winners-of-the-tour-de-france.jpg)
Cycling sprinters got big calves, but that's just because they got big quads. I don't think theyntrain their calves. They squats during winter for sure, calves are a spin-of I guess.
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Pretty funny old fart!! I wonder who has 19-20" diameter calves though???!!!! Wow that is massive - like a man's torso or even bigger.
Mine are 19.5" in circumference pumped and 19" cold.
I am sure there are a few 20" circumference calves though. You know Ben Pakulski's calves were measured with a circumference of just under 20" on youtube? I could not believe it and thought his was at least 21" or more. Makes you wonder how many really have 20" calves??
Of course my calves are not close to as impressive as Ben's. He has a lot more detail and taper.
(http://www.blazediamond.com/page-images/Diameteandcircum.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/66/02/10/660210572c1787055b66df5c7b9060a9.jpg)
Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron? You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit ;D
Calves...........serious businesszzzzz :D
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/66/02/10/660210572c1787055b66df5c7b9060a9.jpg)
Impressive size.
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So the morals of this thread are:
Don't believe something is true just because it is printed in a muscle mag, or you saw in on the internet.
If something doesn't work, then don't keep wasting your time, doing it over and over again.
And, if something doesn't work, then that doesn't mean nothing will work. Then again, there's no guarantee anything will work.
Good post.
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Good post.
It was before your "Bad" editing. Something always will work, if you take the time, and do the research, to find it. If you're to lazy to find out what works, then that's on you.
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Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron? You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit ;D
Lol, nice try old dumbfuck. I checked and diameter translates into many languages with much of the word intact. You know enough English so nobody is buying your ignorance. Let's face it, you don't really know what you're talking about. And you have never whipped anyone with your mindless rants about conspiracy theories. Why should anyone now take you serious knowing that you are (a) a dumbfuck, (b) old and senile??
French - diamètre
Dutch - diameter
Spanish - diámetro
Italian - diametro
Swedish - diameter
Danish - diameter
Corsican - diamitru
Latvian - diametrs
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Did I use a wrong term there? Well, I'm not native english speaker, so there is lot of errors in my writings, I have crappy grammar etc. but what exactly is your excuse to be a moron? You see, I remember when I whip your ass in the chemtrails thread and you left there crying with your foil hat ruffled because you couldn't prove any of your bullshit ;D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2015/arnold-blueprint-mass-training-3-graphics.jpg)
There is at least 3 size of plates in the picture, so what are they? Largest seem to be 50 lb, then 2 x 25 lb and 4 x 12.5 lb per side + weight of the bar, meaning 300lb + bar.
Ropo showing his genius in this post above. Guy is amazing and should open his own University where he can teach Mathematics and English!
None of those plates have the diameter of a 45 lbs plate Ropoooo! Arnold must be curling plutonium plates if some of those are 50lbs - lmao!
(http://www.infinitefitnessandsupplements.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ForceUSA-HTOWP_hammertone_olympic_weight_plate.jpg)
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http://travelstrong.net/calf-muscles/ (http://travelstrong.net/calf-muscles/)
How To Build Calf Muscles
Slow twitch fibres respond best to a high training volume and frequency. This means that you need to do a lot of reps, very often, to get your calves to grow.
Lifting a substantial load, such as your entire bodyweight, regularly for a high number of reps provides ample stimulation for the calves. That’s right – no machines or weights are necessary.
Since you’re not using heavy weights, this training can be performed daily, and it’s the frequency that encourages your body to adapt quickly.
When you train calves doesn’t matter, as long as you do it often. One option is to start each workout with calves, or do a set of calves between every set of every exercise you do at each workout.
The Training Plan
Calf-raises are a great exercise, and by using the sneaky bit of anatomical knowledge from above, it’s possible to apply a number of progressions to the calf-raise that will keep you busy for a long time.
The idea isn’t to rush through the progressions. Rather, you should milk each stage for all it’s worth.
Double leg calf raises off the floor (with a slight bend in the knee)
Double leg calf raises off the floor (straight legs)
Single leg calf raises off the floor (with a slight bend in the knee)
Single leg calf raises off the floor (straight leg)
Double leg calf raises off a step (with a slight bend in the knee)
Double leg calf raises off a step (straight legs)
Single leg calf raises off a step (with a slight bend in the knee)
Single leg calf raises off a step (straight leg)
Start with 4 sets of 20 reps, and don’t move on until you can perform 4 sets of at least 50 reps.
A Few Notes of Form
Stand with your feet shoulder width apart.
You should be barefoot.
You will find the straight leg variations significantly more difficult than bent leg. Going through both variations ensures you are stimulating the gastrocnemius and the soleus.
Control the movement – don’t just bounce up and down.
At the bottom of the movement, be sure to get a good stretch and hold the position for 2-3 seconds.
Aim to get all the way up on your big toe at the top while flexing your calves hard. Pause again for another 2-3 seconds.
The Bottom Line
There’s no doubt that genetics play a huge role in calf development.
The Austrian Oak himself was desperately ashamed of his calves, and went as far as cutting off all of his trousers off at the knee so he had to suffer the embarrassment of having his calves exposed wherever he went.
But even if you did pick the wrong parents you don’t have to give up on your calves altogether. By combining a little science with a smart training plan, you might find yourself proud to wear shorts again.
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calf training is bullshit
just wear trousers
Or long pants too.
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none of these assholes online who claim to have made significant calf gains have ever posted photographic evidence
its fucking make believe bullshit
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You will get a good pump doing very slow calves raises barefoot (on a flat surface, block not needed, hold a few seconds at the top) with body weight till the pain is so intense you cannot continue. Depending on how heavy you are this could be either 25 or 50 reps. Do a 100 reps of that and they will be in pain the next day.
Another thing that works pretty good are farmer's walks with a 60 lbs dumbbell in each hand. Walk on your toes for 100 feet or more.
I always feel like my calves look so much better after pumping them up. But only 1/2" is added and it is temporary. After the workout they deflate again. My calves are currently around 19" cold and I started out with 15" calves as a teenager!
I guess yes heavyweights (but not 1000 lbs?!) do help occasionally to shock them. I just don't see how anyone could do 1000 lbs raises and not fuck their feet up?
I agree with you - I find that with calves training the weakest link are the feet and ankles. They get punished more than the calves! However with light weights and high reps my calves are sore every time the day after working them out.
you forgot running in the sand ::)
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Lol, nice try old dumbfuck. I checked and diameter translates into many languages with much of the word intact. You know enough English so nobody is buying your ignorance. Let's face it, you don't really know what you're talking about. And you have never whipped anyone with your mindless rants about conspiracy theories. Why should anyone now take you serious knowing that you are (a) a dumbfuck, (b) old and senile??
French - diamètre
Dutch - diameter
Spanish - diámetro
Italian - diametro
Swedish - diameter
Danish - diameter
Corsican - diamitru
Latvian - diametrs
Ja Suomeksi: halkaisija..läpimitta jne.
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It was before your "Bad" editing. Something always will work, if you take the time, and do the research, to find it. If you're to lazy to find out what works, then that's on you.
Well I don't think you know much about my training, so I guess laziness is he only reason one can have pathetic calves?
I wonder what Dennis Wolf would think of this idea, or Ronnie Coleman ???
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... you need to do a lot of reps, very often, to get your calves to grow.
True.
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Well I don't think you know much about my training, so I guess laziness is he only reason one can have pathetic calves?
I wonder what Dennis Wolf would think of this idea, or Ronnie Coleman ???
Stupidity is a big factor too.