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The officer's version.
Tulsa Police Officer Shares Her Side of the Story in Terence Crutcher's Shooting
By JULIA JACOBO
Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby, identified as the officer who shot 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Friday night, has offered her side of the story in the fatal encounter.
In dashcam and helicopter video released by police, Crutcher appears to have his hands up moments before he is shot by Shelby. Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, maintains that Crutcher refused to follow more than two dozen commands and that he reached into the open window of the car before Shelby perceived a threat and shot him.
The Crutcher family's attorneys Benjamin L. Crump and Damario Solomon-Simmons said the window was up, evidenced by the blood spattered on it when he was shot.
The Department of Justice is investigating Shelby's use of force.
Here is Shelby's side of the story, according to her attorney and the police department.
Video Shows Unarmed Man Killed by Oklahoma PolicePlay videoVideo Shows Unarmed Man Killed by Oklahoma Police
Shelby Was Responding to a Different Incident
At about 7:36 p.m. Friday, dispatchers received a 911 call about an abandoned SUV in the middle of a street, with the driver's door open and the engine still running, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said Monday. The caller said a man was running from the vehicle, saying it was "going to blow."
Shelby and another officer were on their way to a domestic violence call when she came across the SUV, Jordan said.
On her way to that call, Shelby saw Crutcher standing in the middle of the road, looking down at the ground, Wood said, adding that she would have stopped and checked up on him had she not been on the other call.
She then saw the SUV parked in the middle of the street, obstructing traffic in both directions, Wood said. The engine was running when she got there, which she found odd because she assumed it was either disabled or broken down, he said.
The Encounter Started More Than a Minute Before What Is Shown on the Released Video
Wood said "it's important to remember" that Shelby was on the scene with Crutcher for about a minute and a half before the start of the video clip released by police on Monday.
When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed, and the windows were open, Wood said. She looked into the passenger's side to make sure no one was on the floor of the car, and as she was getting ready to move to the driver's side, she turned around and saw Crutcher walking toward her, Wood said.
Wood said that Shelby then said to Crutcher, "Hey, is this your car?"
Crutcher didn't respond, simply dropping his head while continuing to look at Shelby, "kind of under his brow," Wood said. Crutcher then began to put his hand into his left pocket, Wood said, adding that Shelby told Crutcher, "Hey, please keep your hands out of your pocket while you're talking to me. Let's deal with his car."
Crutcher did not respond, Wood said, so Shelby ordered him again to get his hand out of his pocket. He then pulled his hand away and put his hands up in the air, even though he was not instructed to do so, which Shelby found strange, Wood said.
Shelby tried to get Crutcher to talk to her, but he simply mumbled something unintelligible and stared at her, Wood said. He then turned and walked to the edge of the roadway and turned to look at her, his hands still in the air, Wood said. He put his hands down and started to reach into his pocket again, Wood said, and she ordered him again to get his hands out of his pocket.
At this point, Shelby, a drug recognition expert, believed Crutcher was "on something," Wood said, possibly PCP.
Shelby then radioed in that she had a subject "who is not following commands."
"You can kind of hear a degree of stress in her voice when she says that," Wood said.
Shelby then pulled out her gun and had Crutcher at gunpoint as she commanded him to get on his knees, Wood said. She pulled out a gun instead of a Taser because she thought he had a weapon, and she was planning to arrest him for being intoxicated in public and possibly obstructing the investigation, Wood said.
Shelby ordered Crutcher to stop multiple times as Crutcher walked toward the SUV with his hands up, Wood said.
But those orders cannot be heard in the audio from the dashcam video, which starts as another patrol car pulls up to the scene, showing Crutcher walking toward the SUV with his hands up as Shelby follows him, apparently with her weapon drawn and pointing at Crutcher.
Crutcher Allegedly Attempted to Reach Into the SUV
As the video from the helicopter begins, Crutcher was "angling" toward his car while Shelby repeatedly commanded him to stop, Wood said. His hands were still in the air.
"As a police officer, you have to wonder — why would someone ignore commands at gunpoint to get to a certain location?" Wood said.
Crutcher's arms came down, and he turned to face the car, Wood said, and he reached into the driver's side window with his left hand. That's when Shelby fired one shot and a fellow officer, Tyler Turnbough, deployed a Taser, Wood said.
Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.
https://gma.yahoo.com/tulsa-police-officer-shares-her-side-story-terence-225515468--abc-news-topstories.html
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Not sure if this is accurate. Very interested to see toxicology results.
BREAKING: Truth About Terence Crutcher Comes Out… It’s BAD for the Media
Terence Crutcher was shot and killed on Sept. 16 in an officer-involved shooting in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Since then, the media have tried to push a false narrative that Crutcher had his hands up when he was shot — but video evidence, as it often does in these cases, disproved the media’s theory.
There’s also more information that the mainstream media conveniently left out.
Crutcher had a hefty criminal record before he was shot. In fact, he had just been released in May after nine years in prison for drug trafficking, WZ reported.
He also had a history of resisting arrest. Behold the rap sheet:
1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed
2001 Petit larceny — Conviction
2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction
2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction
2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction
Driving with open container — Dismissed
2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.)
2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction
2012 Public intoxication — Conviction
Obstructing an officer — Conviction
2013 DUI — Conviction
Resisting officer — Conviction
Open Container — Conviction
Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction
Speeding — Conviction
But even all of that was not all.
Take a look at the numerous open warrants for Crutcher. These Aug. 30 warrants were active at the time of his death, and as you can see in the graphic below, they included things like DUI, resisting, drug trafficking and public intoxication.
(http://static.conservativetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/crutcheropenwarrants.jpg)
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The media are actively pushing the narrative that Crutcher had his hands up and that the police shot him anyway.
We’ve heard this lie peddled by the media before, in the Michael Brown case, and clearly the obtuse media didn’t learn a thing.
Helicopter video footage of Crutcher’s altercation with police has surfaced. Take a look:
Now, you watch that video and listen to the commentary. Did it look to you like Crutcher was following commands? You can hear an officer say that Crutcher was “still walking” and that he wasn’t “following commands.” Another officer said that he “could be on something.”
Take a look at these pictures Bearing Arms grabbed from the video that disprove the media’s false narrative:
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crutcher3
(http://static.conservativetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/crutcher3.jpg)
crutcher4
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As you can see, Crutcher was not shot with his hands up. He was clearly flouting officer orders, and at the time of his shooting he lowered his right hand toward his waistband.
Oh, and by the way, the media have run with the story that Crutcher was unarmed, but didn’t seem too interested in the PCP that was found in his car and that the Tulsa Police Department officer who shot Crutcher, Betty Shelby, was trained to spot PCP abuse, according to Bearing Arms.
In any of these cases, the legal system should be given time to do its job, but the media have decided to run false narratives that fit their agenda without all the facts and, in some cases, despite the facts.
As you can see above, there’s clearly more to the story.
http://conservativetribune.com/truth-crutcher-bad-for-media/
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Great statement her lawyer obviously wrote for her.
"I thought he had a weapon".
All of you, please, go ahead and try that shit. Walk into your local store and just shoot a motherfccker. "I thought he had a weapon" when you've been looking at his open empty hands over his head for the last 3 minutes. Enjoy prison. If you don't see a gun, you cannot assume a gun.
Even Trump shit all over her for it. Republican nominee trump said she choked and the shoot was wrong.
There's one thing for people to auto-defend cops, but another when you see the video and see she's the only cop with a gun out, only cop shooting.
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"It doesn't matter if he had 100 arrests" - 240 is back
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Toxicology exams should be performed on everyone involved in this incident as well as revealing their records. Moreover, did Shelby become a "drug recognition expert" 2 days after receiving some type of training? Did Shelby wear a body cam? Were there any witnesses of Shelby's first contact with Crutcher? Were any weapons found in Crutcher's car? At what altitude was the helicopter that hovered over the scene? Who was in the helicopter? Did Shelby pull out her gun when Crutcher first reached into his pocket? If not why? Is Shelby's department doing the investigation? Many questions and not likely they will all be answered. Also Crutcher was convicted of "Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking)". Did he become publicly intoxicated in prison?
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Toxicology exams should be performed on everyone involved in this incident as well as revealing their records. Moreover, did Shelby become a "drug recognition expert" 2 days after receiving some type of training? Did Shelby wear a body cam? Were there any witnesses of Shelby's first contact with Crutcher? Were any weapons found in Crutcher's car? At what altitude was the helicopter that hovered over the scene? Who was in the helicopter? Did Shelby pull out her gun when Crutcher first reached into his pocket? If not why? Is Shelby's department doing the investigation? Many questions and not likely they will all be answered. Also Crutcher was convicted of "Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking)". Did he become publicly intoxicated in prison?
Also, why did he repeatedly ignore the officers' commands? I have no idea if he was under the influence, but something was clearly wrong with him. Not sure if it was drug related or some kind of mental problem.
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"It doesn't matter if he had 100 arrests" - 240 is back
it really doesn't.
his actions that day dictate whether he lives or dies... not things he's already paid his debt to society for doing.
I don't care if it's an 18 year old with 100 arrests, or an 08 year old with zero arrests... IF you are raising a weapon on police, you go down, period.
Rush can't stop talking about the rap sheet. But on THAT DAY, there was no gun in his hand. If anything, look at their shit court system - he's got 20 arrests and he's still free?
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Tulsa officer charged with manslaughter in shooting of African-American man
A female Tulsa police officer was charged with first-degree manslaughter Thursday in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man.
Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charge against Officer Betty Shelby after viewing dashcam video and helicopter video of the Sept. 16 shooting, according to a statement from his office.
The statement said Kunzweiler reviewed 911 calls, witness interviews and other information before making the decision to charge Shelby.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/22/tulsa-officer-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-african-american.html
Interesting tidbit from the article above:
Shelby did not activate her patrol car's dashboard camera, officials said, so no footage exists of what first happened between the two before other officers arrived.
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Tulsa officer charged with manslaughter in shooting of African-American man
A female Tulsa police officer was charged with first-degree manslaughter Thursday in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man.
Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charge against Officer Betty Shelby after viewing dashcam video and helicopter video of the Sept. 16 shooting, according to a statement from his office.
The statement said Kunzweiler reviewed 911 calls, witness interviews and other information before making the decision to charge Shelby.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/22/tulsa-officer-charged-with-manslaughter-in-shooting-african-american.html
Interesting tidbit from the article above:
:o That was quick.
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Transcript from the press conference of Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler:
"The tragic circumstances surrounding the death of Mr. Crutcher are on the hearts and minds of many people in this community.
It is important to note, that despite the heightened tensions felt by all, which seemingly beg for an emotional response and reaction, our community has consistently demonstrated a willingness to respect the judicial process.
It is the shared responsibility of all who have the ability to control their reactions to do just that.
To ministers of this community, all of your flock regardless of their color, their creed, their ethnicity, their background, social status, employment or neighborhood need the wisdom of your guiding hands.
To the media, your community need you now more than ever. They need you to be the objective messengers of the facts which report the truth.
To the lawyers, it is our responsibility to demonstrate to our community the importance of adherence to the rule of law and the ethical standards which allow our courtrooms to be the source of justice.
The review of cases involving alleged criminal conduct is the responsibility of the Tulsa County District Attorney’s Office. We review the facts of the allegations and apply the law to those allegations. It is our responsibility to determine if the filing of a criminal charge is justified under the law.
In the matter of the death of Terence Crutcher, I determined that the filing of the felony crime of manslaughter in the first degree against Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby is warranted. Officer Shelby, although now charged, is presumed to be innocent until a judge or a jury determines otherwise.
I do not know why things happen in this world the way they do. We need to pray for wisdom and guidance on each of our respective paths in life. Each of us at the end of our days will have to account for our own actions. The only way I know how to walk my path, is to try every day to pray, and to serve my fellow citizen, so that he or she may be lifted up.
When I started this press conference at 3:30 I directed my staff to file a criminal charge of manslaughter in the first degree. You can go down to the second floor of the court clerk’s office and obtain a copy of that criminal charge, there should be plenty of copies together with the affidavit. In addition to that, I have a press release and I will leave that up here and you can pick up a press release that summarizes much of the statements I’ve just made.
Attached to that press release will be the relevant, applicable law in the state of Oklahoma which defines what manslaughter is and what the Oklahoma uniform jury instructions say that standard is.
I encourage you as members of the media to review that and apply that in your news stories. But as I stated, Officer Crutcher [Shelby] is presumed innocent under the law until a judge or a jury determines otherwise.
Now the question is going to be asked, ‘Where is she?’ I have had a judge review a probable cause affidavit. A warrant has been issued for her arrest. I’ve been in communication with an attorney who has been retained to represent her, and arrangements are being made for her surrender to the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Department. Those matters will be addressed by the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office in their due course.
I’m not going to answer any questions. Thank you for your attendance."
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I understand being concerned about him rifling through his pockets she had back with a taser. There was no reason to shoot this guy no matter how bizarre you thought his behavior was. While its difficult to come up with standard procedures I think there needs to be more in way of when deadly force is ok.
I mean you got people who have guns and the cops try to negotiate with them until they point it at someone and then you have this cop who shoots a person b/c she thought he might have a gun.
Taser was the way to go on this one
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I understand being concerned about him rifling through his pockets she had back with a taser. There was no reason to shoot this guy no matter how bizarre you thought his behavior was. While its difficult to come up with standard procedures I think there needs to be more in way of when deadly force is ok.
I mean you got people who have guns and the cops try to negotiate with them until they point it at someone and then you have this cop who shoots a person b/c she thought he might have a gun.
Taser was the way to go on this one
especially because there were what, 3 or 4 cops there with weapons on him?
I can see a small female cop opting for the gun, IF she is all alone, and he's aggressive at her (which he wasn't here).
I can see times when a gun stops instantly and a taser just might not (particularly if you miss!) Having those 15+1 shots sure beats trying to put those pins into someone when you're all alone and this person could kill you with his hands in seconds.
BUT she had backup. He wasn't coming at them. And she lied about the reaching in window and putting hands up parts. And she turned off her dash cam.
She knew there was a good chance she'd shoot him, then she just decided to do it. The other 2-3 cops on the scene did not.
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I think the cop next to her firing the taser startled her. They fired almost simultaneously.
She probably didn't mean to shoot him. Making it 1st degree manslaughter though, that's steep.
The problem is cops being so fccking shady. The Charlotte cops told us for 2 days that the video (3 views) clearly showed a gun. Family got a lawyer and demanded the video, so suddenly the cops came out with "the 3 videos are inconclusive, not sure about the gun now". Oh, and the cop who fired? His body cam "malfunctioned". That's horse shit.
These cops that lied to the cameras for days - there is zero punishment for them. tony, you lie to a cop, your ass is getting charged. But if the cop lies to the cameras, there is no consequence.
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especially because there were what, 3 or 4 cops there with weapons on him?
I can see a small female cop opting for the gun, IF she is all alone, and he's aggressive at her (which he wasn't here).
I can see times when a gun stops instantly and a taser just might not (particularly if you miss!) Having those 15+1 shots sure beats trying to put those pins into someone when you're all alone and this person could kill you with his hands in seconds.
BUT she had backup. He wasn't coming at them. And she lied about the reaching in window and putting hands up parts. And she turned off her dash cam.
She knew there was a good chance she'd shoot him, then she just decided to do it. The other 2-3 cops on the scene did not.
You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.
She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder
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You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.
She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder
her dash cam wasn't on. Yet all the others had theirs on.
We see this a lot - every cop on the scene has their cameras on.. EXCEPT the one that pulls the trigger.
No dashcam footage exists from Shelby’s car because she didn’t activate her emergency lights — which in turn switches on the camera — when she came upon the abandoned vehicle in the roadway.
She KNOWS what happens when you don't turn on the lights ;)
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Man... sucks for the cop. Sucks for Terence Crutcher. Sucks for all families involved.
Manslaughter may be worse case scenario because she may only end up serving 18 months. I believe protests will begin when she is given a light sentence.
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Man... sucks for the cop. Sucks for Terence Crutcher. Sucks for all families involved.
Manslaughter may be worse case scenario because she may only end up serving 18 months. I believe protests will begin when she is given a light sentence.
people will have moved on by then. They had to charge her. Shot an unarmed guy leaning up against the window. Pretty cut and dry, can't do that. They'll sentence her in the winter so nobody will bother to show up.
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You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.
She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder
This.
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You don't need to make up stupid shit about her knowing she was going to shoot him before she even knew it was a him.
She made a stupid decision, no sign that it was premeditated murder
Definitely not premeditated, but I have to ask, does this seem to happen more to large black men?
I ask because even the guy in the helicopter stated this was a "bad guy"... How could he make that determination from up there?
Is it because he was black and larger than the female who shot him? Seems that sort of wording happens more often to large black men than other people.
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"It doesn't matter if he had 100 arrests" - 240 is back
it doesnt.....
do you understand how our legal system works?
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Not arrested, she was allowed to turn herself in. Stayed only for 20 minutes, she's out after posting $50,000 bond.
Mugshot:
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/betty-shelby-mugshot.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
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it doesnt.....
do you understand how our legal system works?
You are under the impression coach knows how ANYTHING works...
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Not arrested, she was allowed to turn herself in. Stayed only for 20 minutes, she's out after posting $50,000 bond.
Mugshot:
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/betty-shelby-mugshot.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
Need to see booty shots before deciding WYHI.
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You are under the impression coach knows how ANYTHING works...
At this point it might be a good idea for you to just go back and keep making video games for fat sedentary kids so they can sit around all day developing cardiomyopathy.
Typical elitist
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At this point it might be a good idea for you to just go back and keep making video games for fat sedentary kids so they can sit around all day developing cardiomyopathy.
Typical elitist
No Coach, I'm not an elitist.
You're just a moron.
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No Coach, I'm not an elitist.
You're just a moron.
How cute. No sooner than I wrote that post i get a "No Caller ID" call from no doubt your buddy, Josh
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How cute. No sooner than I wrote that post i get a "No Caller ID" call from no doubt your buddy, Josh
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You're a fucking idiot if you think everyone is someone trying to call you from getbig.
Keep that shit on the G&O and off of the Politics board. No one needs to keep reading your paranoid crap.
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You're a fucking idiot if you think everyone is someone trying to call you from getbig.
Keep that shit on the G&O and off of the Politics board. No one needs to keep reading your paranoid crap.
Fuck off. It's usually Josh.
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Fuck off. It's usually Josh.
How the fuck would you know if you don't answer the phone?
Stick to the G&O.
Politics is a little too mentally draining on you, dude.
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Fuck off. It's usually Josh.
Has he harassed you before?
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Has he harassed you before?
Frequently. Email death threats, phone calls, social media, etc. it is what it is.
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How the fuck would you know if you don't answer the phone?
Stick to the G&O.
Politics is a little to mentally draining on you, dude.
hahaha
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Attorney: Officer who shot Terence Crutcher had 'auditory exclusion,' didn't hear other officer say he had Taser ready
By Corey Jones and Samantha Vicent
Tulsa World
Updated: 9:24 am, Thu Sep 29, 2016.
Tulsa Police Officer Betty Shelby turned herself in overnight on a first-degree manslaughter charge in the Terence Crutcher killing. She posted $50,000 bond and was released 20 minutes later.
The probable cause affidavit for her arrest states that another officer told Shelby he had a Taser ready to deploy before she shot Crutcher, who was unarmed, on Sept. 16. But her attorney told the Tulsa World on Friday that she never heard that comment, also not realizing other officers had arrived and were standing with her.
Scott Wood, who represents Shelby, said she experienced “auditory exclusion.” Wood described it as a phenomenon officers often experience in critical incidents that results in a temporary loss of hearing.
Because of that, Wood said, Shelby didn’t hear other officers arrive with their cars’ sirens activated or approach her. Nor did she hear Officer Tyler Turnbough tell her that he had his Taser ready because she was “totally focused” on Crutcher, he said.
“She doesn’t have any recollection of that at all,” Wood said.
Crutcher, a black man, was fatally shot by Shelby, who is white, on a north Tulsa street moments after he walked slowly to his parked SUV with his hands raised.
Whether he lowered his left hand to reach through the window — prompting the fatal shot — is in dispute, but the 40-year-old was found to be unarmed and had no weapons inside the vehicle.
Shelby, 42, surrendered with a lawyer at the Tulsa Jail at 1:11 a.m. Friday, according to her arrest report. She was booked and then posted bond.
First-degree manslaughter carries a penalty of four years to life in prison.
A Tulsa County guideline on bail amounts for criminal offenses indicates that $50,000 is the recommended sum for first-degree manslaughter. It doubles to $100,000 if the defendant already has a felony conviction. The recommended amount is $25,000 for second-degree manslaughter.
Judges have discretion to adjust bail on a case-by-case basis.
Shelby is the second officer charged in Tulsa County within the last year and a half in connection with the shooting death of an unarmed black man while on duty.
The other, former Tulsa County Reserve Deputy Robert Bates, was charged with second-degree manslaughter in the April 2015 death of Eric Harris. Bail for Bates was set at $25,000.
Bates was convicted in April of this year and is serving a four-year prison sentence, the maximum allowed under state law.
Defense attorney: Gun, not Taser, ‘appropriate’ response
The probable cause affidavit in Shelby’s case notes that the first backup officer to arrive took a position on Shelby’s left and told her that he had his Taser ready to use.
“Shelby reacted unreasonably by escalating the situation from a confrontation with Mr. Crutcher, who was not responding to verbal commands and was walking away from her with his hands held up, becoming emotionally involved to the point that she overreacted,” according to the affidavit.
Wood countered by saying the situation escalated because Crutcher repeatedly failed to comply and kept reaching toward his left front pocket as if he had a gun there. Shelby pulled her handgun instead of her Taser because she felt he might be armed and was exhibiting signs of being on PCP.
“If you think someone has a gun, you don’t get your Taser out,” Wood said, calling Shelby’s response “appropriate.”
The affidavit indicates that Shelby told detectives she was “in fear for her life” and shot Crutcher after he reached through the SUV’s window. It states that police helicopter video footage shows Crutcher’s right hand in the air when he was shot but that his left hand is “unobservable” in the video as he stands next to the driver’s side window.
‘Terence was not a threat’
Attorneys for the Crutcher family have contended that the window was up. But whether it was up or down is irrelevant, they argue, because Shelby knew there wasn’t a weapon in the driver’s seat. They point to the affidavit, which states that she had “cleared” — or checked — the “driver’s side front” before Crutcher first approached her.
“The video … clearly showed that Terence Crutcher did not have a weapon, that Terence was not belligerent, that Terence had his hands up, that Terence was not a threat,” said attorney Damario Solomon-Simmons. “When we saw that video, we knew there was no reason for Terence to be shot down in the street.”
The Crutcher family’s attorneys contend that it’s “readily apparent” that Shelby should have been charged. A reporter asked them on Thursday whether Crutcher bore any of the blame for the escalation of his encounter with Shelby because he didn’t comply with her demands.
“The police encounter people every day who fail to comply with instruction, whether it’s a DUI or a public intoxication or any situation,” attorney Melvin Hall said. “The law does not authorize the use of lethal force merely because someone fails to comply.”
The Tulsa World has requested use-of-force reports from Shelby’s four-plus years with the Tulsa Police Department. The department has denied the request, with a spokesman saying the agency’s general counsel has said those records are released only if there is disciplinary action.
Crutcher case moving swiftly
Wood said he was “a little bit surprised” by how quickly the manslaughter charge was filed, especially since the police investigative report wasn’t yet completed. Prosecutors will find it difficult to “prove what they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt,” he said.
“If you believed the scenario where he wasn’t posing any danger and she had no reason to believe he had a gun or was getting access to a gun, I guess that would be the appropriate charge here,” Wood said.
District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler said Friday his charging decision was based on information from the Tulsa Police Department Homicide Unit and an affidavit from an investigator in his office.
Kunzweiler said lead homicide Sgt. Dave Walker made a “big effort” to provide documents daily as they were completed, rather than turn all of them over at the investigation’s conclusion. Police didn’t say Friday whether the probe was finished but previously projected that they would be done by 5 p.m. Friday.
“In extraordinary circumstances, we all work double duty, so to speak, because we understand the dynamics,” Kunzweiler said. “We recognized (the high-profile nature) and realized this was one we needed to get to work on as quickly as we can.”
Police release Shelby’s commendations
The Police Department provided records to the Tulsa World on Friday indicating that Shelby received two commendations while working in the Riverside Division.
Shelby was hired in December 2011 and graduated from the Tulsa Police Academy in June 2012. She patrolled west Tulsa for the Riverside Division before being reassigned in August 2015 to patrol the northernmost parts of Tulsa for the Gilcrease Division.
One commendation states that Shelby and two other officers saved an elderly woman’s life when discovering she was immobile in her home in February 2014. Shelby and the other officers responded to check on the woman’s well-being after the Meals on Wheels organization reported that it was unable to contact her, according to a letter filed by a supervisor.
They found that the woman hadn’t been able to get up for two days, and EMSA medics said she would have died if police hadn’t found her.
The other commendation stemmed from Shelby’s work in helping arrest two men on robbery complaints in January 2015. The Robbery Unit supervisor wrote that Shelby helped identify one of the suspects, for whom an arrest warrant had been issued for a probation violation, as a suspect in a series of robberies in Tulsa and Jenks.
The Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training told the Tulsa World following an Open Records Act request that Shelby is a peace officer in good standing. She doesn’t have any final agency orders of discipline in her file or pending, CLEET reported.
Both sides create benefit funds
Crutcher’s family established a fund on Wednesday to benefit his four children. As of Friday evening, more than 5,700 donations totaling nearly $160,000 had been made to the fund, which has a goal of $200,000.
Patrick Stephens, president of the Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 93, on Friday created an ”I Stand With Betty Shelby” fund for “upcoming expenses.” It had received more than $3,000 from 50 donors as of Friday evening, with a goal of $250,000. Shelby has been a member of the FOP lodge for five years.
Stephens told the World he wanted to give officers “an outlet” to help Shelby, who is now on administrative leave without pay.
“Her family needs help. People were reaching out for ways to support her and help her through those times, and that’s what I did,” he said.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/attorney-officer-who-shot-terence-crutcher-had-auditory-exclusion-didn/article_67cfee72-01ce-547c-a2e2-a74ce2414b13.html
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Scott Wood, who represents Shelby, said she experienced “auditory exclusion.” Wood described it as a phenomenon officers often experience in critical incidents that results in a temporary loss of hearing.
LMAO! Temporary hearing loss!!
Of course, one of the videos will show her look at or speak to the other officers prior to shooting the bad guy.
THIS is the defense they come up with? I'm sure jury will believe it... hearing works fine your entire life, but turns off due to "it" as her hubby put it.
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Scott Wood, who represents Shelby, said she experienced “auditory exclusion.” Wood described it as a phenomenon officers often experience in critical incidents that results in a temporary loss of hearing.
Because of that, Wood said, Shelby didn’t hear other officers arrive with their cars’ sirens activated or approach her. Nor did she hear Officer Tyler Turnbough tell her that he had his Taser ready because she was “totally focused” on Crutcher, he said.
“She doesn’t have any recollection of that at all,” Wood said.
Unreal... What other BS will the criminal gang come up with to excuse their crimes?
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Unreal... What other BS will the criminal gang come up with to excuse their crimes?
I love listening to Levin - he pretty much said this cop screwed up on the week it happened.
it's the CALLERS who tend to be the dumbest people on earth. "Well, I just think..." trumps any facts Levin shows them.
I can't wait to hear the callers tonight, agreeing that "oh yeah, that auditory thing, it happened to me once..." to somehow justify a cop capping an unarmed man for standing there.
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Unreal... What other BS will the criminal gang come up with to excuse their crimes?
A little premature to call this a crime IMO.
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I love listening to Levin - he pretty much said this cop screwed up on the week it happened.
it's the CALLERS who tend to be the dumbest people on earth. "Well, I just think..." trumps any facts Levin shows them.
I can't wait to hear the callers tonight, agreeing that "oh yeah, that auditory thing, it happened to me once..." to somehow justify a cop capping an unarmed man for standing there.
I don't know who Levin is but if he is one of those radio personalities, they often employ some caricature of a caller who will purposely say the most ridiculous things to prove the radio host point (or to "create scenarios for interesting radio"), supposedly Limbaugh and others do it.
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Prosecutor Announces First Degree Manslaughter Charges Against Officer Who Killed Terence Crutcher
BY ARLENE HOWARDIN GLOBAL MEDIA — OCT 2, 2016
Crutcher died from a "penetrating gunshot wound of chest", the Oklahoma state medical examiner's office said Friday, classifying his death as a homicide.
A toxicology report could take several weeks.
The swift action in Tulsa stood in contrast to Charlotte, North Carolina, where police refused under mounting pressure Thursday to release video of the shooting of another black man this week and the National Guard was called in to try to a head off a third night of violence.
Tulsa Mayor Dewey Bartlett praised the police department for quickly providing evidence to District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler's office. "These are important steps to ensure that justice and accountability prevails".
"I'm not surprised at the swiftness of the decision", Bolden said.
She faces a minimum of four years in prison. She was booked in the Tulsa County jail at 1:11 a.m. Friday and released 20 minutes later after posting $50,000 bond, according to jail records.
In the aftermath of the shooting, Shelby's response to the situation has been interpreted differently by the officer's attorneys, Crutcher's family, and the public. "Police say another officer used his Taser on Crutcher at almost the same time he was shot".
Multiple police cameras, including ones mounted in squad cars and in a helicopter, captured the Crutcher shooting on tape.
Police say Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby fired the fatal shot that killed 40 year-old Terence Crutcher, Sept. 16.
Hall also pointed out that the family legal team had blown up a photo of the scene that they say shows the driver's side window is up and has blood on it, which they say disputes Shelby's claim that Crutcher reached into the vehicle before she fired.
An attorney for Mr. Crutcher's family disputes the officer's account, saying the vehicle window was rolled up and that Mr. Crutcher was putting his hands on top of the auto.
"Whether through peaceful demonstrations, prayer vigils or countless statements of support to the Crutcher family and the entire community, we are in this together as one Tulsa", he said. Shelby can be seen walking closely behind Crutcher with her gun drawn. So she draws her gun on him and says "Sir I want you to get down on your knees, get down on your knees". She was on her way to a domestic violence call when she saw Crutcher standing in the street, according to investigators.
The attorneys also expressed gratitude to the Tulsa Police Department.
A warrant was issued for Shelby's arrest, but her attorney told the DA arrangements were being made for her to turn herself in. "Officer Shelby made statements that she was in fear of her life and thought that Mr. Crutcher was going to kill her".
The same footage also showed Crutcher dropped his hands, and leaned forward before the fatal shot was sacked.
Police Sgt. Dave Walker has said investigators found a vial of PCP in Crutcher's vehicle.
Attorneys for Ms. Shelby and Mr. Crutcher's family couldn't immediately be reached. Family members later said his vehicle was having issues and stalled as he was headed home from a local community college. Both officers are white and Crutcher was African American.
http://alltechnews.org/2016/10/02/prosecutor-announces-first-degree-manslaughter-charges/
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Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.
Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID
Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man
Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up
And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all
The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on
but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue
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Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.
Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID
Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man
Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up
And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all
The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on
but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue
Go vote for Hillary bro - she is going to keep Lynch in there - all the same DOJ people - and you know - all the people CURRENTLY in charge of the same system you complain about. Great job - seriously.
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Go vote for Hillary bro - she is going to keep Lynch in there - all the same DOJ people - and you know - all the people CURRENTLY in charge of the same system you complain about. Great job - seriously.
no clue what you're babbling on about here. Its not a political issue.. Its a race issue. Hilary or your god Trump can do nothing about the racist/scared shitless police shooting the big bad black guy with no gun.
No president can stop racism. This "system" didn't start with the Obama administration. Lynch or any of that. In actuality the crime stats are down nationally. But im talking about blacks being killed by police without committing a crime or a crime punishable by death.
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no clue what you're babbling on about here. Its not a political issue.. Its a race issue. Hilary or your god Trump can do nothing about the racist/scared shitless police shooting the big bad black guy with no gun.
No president can stop racism. This "system" didn't start with the Obama administration. Lynch or any of that. In actuality the crime stats are down nationally. But im talking about blacks being killed by police without committing a crime or a crime punishable by death.
Of FNG please - its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years for a reason no? guess why that is? Take a deep long guess and lets see if you are even remotely close as to why things now 8 years later suck ass w all these liberal pussies and faggets in office.
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Of FNG please - its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years for a reason no? guess why that is? Take a deep long guess and lets see if you are even remotely close as to why things now 8 years later suck ass w all these liberal pussies and faggets in office.
please show me stats where its "gotten" drastically worse in the last 8 year.... and then ill show you the truth... Please show me national crime stats figures and numbers that say crime has increased....
ill wait
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please show me stats where its "gotten" drastically worse in the last 8 year.... and then ill show you the truth... Please show me national crime stats figures and numbers that say crime has increased....
ill wait
You are the one complaining - not me - to me - this is no different than ever been and studies show - from the WAPO - whites killed at a higher rate than blacks .
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You are the one complaining - not me - to me - this is no different than ever been and studies show - from the WAPO - whites killed at a higher rate than blacks .
as i suspected.. Asked for facts to back up a claim... get nothing..
Good Day sir
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as i suspected.. Asked for facts to back up a claim... get nothing..
Good Day sir
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d
SHOW ME WHERE THIS CLAIM..BY YOU..... IS SUPPORTED "its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years"
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SHOW ME WHERE THIS CLAIM..BY YOU..... IS SUPPORTED "its all gotten drastically worse in the last 8 years"
Going by what i see in the media ect - never seen so much protests outrage etc. When W was POTUS, when BJ was POTUS, never seen this level of day to day events etc and protests and outrage over this stuff.
Why now only 6-8 years into the Presidency of O-Twink?
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Just looking for some hard numbers that say crime is trending upwards over the last 8 years
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Just looking for some hard numbers that say crime is trending upwards over the last 8 years
if you look at the media - its the apocolypse.
Most of us - we go to work, gym , home - spend time w the family, troll option D, Melvin, and Shizzo, and Vissy on GB, trash obama, drink a few beers, and call it a day and repeat
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Just looking for some hard numbers that say crime is trending upwards over the last 8 years
It is not.
It has been trending downwards ever since the early to mid 90s.
It has also been shown that the reduction in crime is only about 10% police and 90% economic, social, and other factors.
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It is not.
It has been trending downwards ever since the early to mid 90s.
It has also been shown that the reduction in crime is only about 10% police and 90% economic, social, and other factors.
so again - why the daily meltdowns all about from BLM, and all the other people?
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so again - why the daily meltdowns all about from BLM, and all the other people?
Black people being shot by cops.
That hasn't decreased even though crime has. Incarcerations haven't decreased even though crime has.
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Sounds like blacks need to move to cyber crimes and limit as much contact with the piggys as possible.
Also wear a belt.
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Sounds like blacks need to move to cyber crimes and limit as much contact with the piggys as possible.
Also wear a belt.
Cool story bro
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Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.
Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID
Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man
Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up
And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all
The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on
but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue
No there is not.
But there is an epidemic of "brown people" shooting and killing other "brown people."
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It is not.
It has been trending downwards ever since the early to mid 90s.
It has also been shown that the reduction in crime is only about 10% police and 90% economic, social, and other factors.
Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says
By Mark Berman September 26
Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released Monday by the FBI.
All told, the country reported its highest estimated violent crime rate in three years, and while these numbers are far below those seen one or two decades earlier, they mark a sharp increase following two years of declines, the FBI’s summary of crime figures showed.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?utm_term=.a6cad95478fb
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Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says
By Mark Berman September 26
Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released Monday by the FBI.
All told, the country reported its highest estimated violent crime rate in three years, and while these numbers are far below those seen one or two decades earlier, they mark a sharp increase following two years of declines, the FBI’s summary of crime figures showed.
. . . .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?utm_term=.a6cad95478fb
Yes, but overall crime is down.
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Yes, but overall crime is down.
I think people are more concerned about violent crime and that's typically what folks are talking about when they mention the crime rate.
Unless you live in Hawaii, where violent crime is low, but property crime is off the charts.
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I think that may be true, but until we can see a trend, we can't make determinations.
For instance, 2015 may be up, but if 2016 is down again, then the trend is still down.
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I think that may be true, but until we can see a trend, we can't make determinations.
For instance, 2015 may be up, but if 2016 is down again, then the trend is still down.
True if you're talking about trends.
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True if you're talking about trends.
When we are talking about crime, we usually talk about trends. I do see your point of course.
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When we are talking about crime, we usually talk about trends. I do see your point of course.
You are correct. I see the initial comment was about trends, not simply an increase.
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Insane....but noooo theres not an issue with shooting unarmed brown people.
Guy gets shot after being asked to get his ID
Guy gets shot on the ground while helping a mentally ill man
Guy gets shot by Officer while his hands are up
And these are all innocent men who havent committed a crime at all
The other unarmed victims were selling cigs, selling CDs, Broken tail light, Lane Change, BB Gun, Walmart bb gun and the list goes on and on
but theres no problem with escalation of force on black and brown people. Until we are truthful about it (which will never ever happen) the trend will continue
Hey Mal just curious why you mentioned BB guns? I mean the cops don't know theyre fake guns, do you think the cops should have to wait until their shot at before using deadly force?
Also what do you think about the shootings where the police are viewed as justified? Alton Sterling, he had a gun and was resisting/possibly going for his gun?
The kid recently that was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while fleeing?
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http://abc7chicago.com/news/suspect-stood-over-and-executed-sheriffs-sergeant-authorities-say/1543234
I won't hold my breath for the BLM thugs to speak out on this
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Hey Mal just curious why you mentioned BB guns? I mean the cops don't know theyre fake guns, do you think the cops should have to wait until their shot at before using deadly force?
Also what do you think about the shootings where the police are viewed as justified? Alton Sterling, he had a gun and was resisting/possibly going for his gun?
The kid recently that was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while fleeing?
About the kid with the BB gun... Tamir Rice... he had a legal bb gun...and he was killed..kind of like case closed. You can call that justified all you like. I call it a kid with a bb gun being killed.
Justified is a subjective term in these cases... Was the cop that killed Castile justified?
Man Sitting on the ground with hands in the air... he was shot in the leg after he alerted the cop of his situation, helping an autistic kid... ... anything about that?
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About the kid with the BB gun... Tamir Rice... he had a legal bb gun...and he was killed..kind of like case closed. You can call that justified all you like. I call it a kid with a bb gun being killed.
Justified is a subjective term in these cases... Was the cop that killed Castile justified?
Man Sitting on the ground with hands in the air... he was shot in the leg after he alerted the cop of his situation, helping an autistic kid... ... anything about that?
I wasn't being a dick to you, I asked an honest question that you obviously misunderstood. I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking to understand so drop the fucking attitude.
I wasn't referring to Tamil rice I was referring to the kid who was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while running away and supposedly pulling it on cops. For the record though the gun Tamir rice had looked exactly like a real gun so this goes back to my first question, do you think cops should have to wait to get shot at before shooting? If they can't tell c gun is fake should they have to wait until they know for sure before shooting?
Notice I didn't mention Castille or the social worker just doing his job? Bc I think the police fucked up there. My point is the ones where the person had a gun and were resisting and got shot, there is just as much outrage in those instances with the ones I didn't mention. That's what I'm trying to understand, I have no problem calling out the police when they screw up...I did it in this thread mal. It seems though that there is a large or at least small but vocal minority who hold similar views to you though that won't call out bad behavior by those who get shot and will use any instances where a black person is shot as an example of police bias
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I wasn't being a dick to you, I asked an honest question that you obviously misunderstood. I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking to understand so drop the fucking attitude.
I wasn't referring to Tamil rice I was referring to the kid who was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while running away and supposedly pulling it on cops. For the record though the gun Tamir rice had looked exactly like a real gun so this goes back to my first question, do you think cops should have to wait to get shot at before shooting? If they can't tell c gun is fake should they have to wait until they know for sure before shooting?
Notice I didn't mention Castille or the social worker just doing his job? Bc I think the police fucked up there. My point is the ones where the person had a gun and were resisting and got shot, there is just as much outrage in those instances with the ones I didn't mention. That's what I'm trying to understand, I have no problem calling out the police when they screw up...I did it in this thread mal. It seems though that there is a large or at least small but vocal minority who hold similar views to you though that won't call out bad behavior by those who get shot and will use any instances where a black person is shot as an example of police bias
;)
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I didn't hear about this. The race-baiting manipulative MSM did not give this the airtime it deserves.
Medical Examiner: Terence Crutcher had PCP in his system at time of death
October 11, 2016, by Dallas Franklin
TULSA, Okla. – The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office released its autopsy results of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, the unarmed man who was shot an killed by a Tulsa police officer.
On September 16, Crutcher was shot and killed by Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby after his car was stopped in the middle of a roadway.
Officers at the scene say Crutcher was acting erratically and was not following commands.
According to the affidavit, Shelby asked Crutcher if the vehicle was his and if it was disabled.
“He was mumbling to himself and would not answer any of Officer Shelby’s questions. Mr. Crutcher kept putting his hands in his pockets and Officer Shelby kept telling him to show his hands. At that point, Mr. Crutcher began walking towards the abandoned vehicle with his hands held up and was not responding to any of Officer Shelby’s commands to stop,” the affidavit claims.
WARNING: This video is graphic and shows the shooting of a man. It is not suitable for all audiences.
In the dash cam video, you see Crutcher walking away from an officer and toward his vehicle with his hands up.
Shortly after that, Crutcher was shot to death by Officer Shelby. Crutcher was unarmed, authorities confirmed.
One week after the shooting, Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler charged Shelby with one count of first-degree manslaughter.
Shelby turned herself in the following day.
A preliminary report from the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Crutcher died from a gunshot wound to the chest.
His manner of death was ruled a homicide.
There was some speculation that Crutcher was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death after officers said that PCP was found inside his vehicle.
The full autopsy report was released Tuesday, nearly a month after the deadly shooting.
The autopsy shows Crutcher did in fact have PCP in his system.
According to the toxicology results, Crutcher had 96 nanograms per milliliter of phencyclidine, or PCP, in his bloodstream at the time of his death.
Tenocyclidine, a hallucinogenic drug, was also detected in his system.
However, Crutcher's family attorney said that even if the man did have drugs in his system, lethal force was not necessary.
"Even though it is irrelevant to the use of lethal force, it is worth noting that these findings do not tell us whether or not Terence Crutcher was under the influence of PCP at the time of this encounter. Testing positive to a substance in your system is very different than being under the influence of a substance, though again neither justify the government gunning someone down in the street.
We encourage the public, the media, and law enforcement to resist the temptation to seize upon this all too convenient practice of character assassination in an attempt to divert attention away from meaningful responses to the systematic violence and dehumanization that is far too common in interactions between law enforcement and communities of color.
These findings in no way change the tragic fact that Terence Crutcher should be alive and with his family today," a statement from Ryan Kiesel, executive director of ACLU of Oklahoma, read in part.
Officer Shelby pleaded not guilty to the first-degree manslaughter charge.
She is expected to appear in court for a preliminary hearing on Nov. 29.
http://kfor.com/2016/10/11/medical-examiner-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-his-system-at-time-of-death/
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I didn't hear about this. The race-baiting manipulative MSM did not give this the airtime it deserves.
Medical Examiner: Terence Crutcher had PCP in his system at time of death
October 11, 2016, by Dallas Franklin
TULSA, Okla. – The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office released its autopsy results of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, the unarmed man who was shot an killed by a Tulsa police officer.
On September 16, Crutcher was shot and killed by Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby after his car was stopped in the middle of a roadway.
Officers at the scene say Crutcher was acting erratically and was not following commands.
According to the affidavit, Shelby asked Crutcher if the vehicle was his and if it was disabled.
“He was mumbling to himself and would not answer any of Officer Shelby’s questions. Mr. Crutcher kept putting his hands in his pockets and Officer Shelby kept telling him to show his hands. At that point, Mr. Crutcher began walking towards the abandoned vehicle with his hands held up and was not responding to any of Officer Shelby’s commands to stop,” the affidavit claims.
WARNING: This video is graphic and shows the shooting of a man. It is not suitable for all audiences.
In the dash cam video, you see Crutcher walking away from an officer and toward his vehicle with his hands up.
Shortly after that, Crutcher was shot to death by Officer Shelby. Crutcher was unarmed, authorities confirmed.
One week after the shooting, Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler charged Shelby with one count of first-degree manslaughter.
Shelby turned herself in the following day.
A preliminary report from the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office determined that Crutcher died from a gunshot wound to the chest.
His manner of death was ruled a homicide.
There was some speculation that Crutcher was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death after officers said that PCP was found inside his vehicle.
The full autopsy report was released Tuesday, nearly a month after the deadly shooting.
The autopsy shows Crutcher did in fact have PCP in his system.
According to the toxicology results, Crutcher had 96 nanograms per milliliter of phencyclidine, or PCP, in his bloodstream at the time of his death.
Tenocyclidine, a hallucinogenic drug, was also detected in his system.
However, Crutcher's family attorney said that even if the man did have drugs in his system, lethal force was not necessary.
"Even though it is irrelevant to the use of lethal force, it is worth noting that these findings do not tell us whether or not Terence Crutcher was under the influence of PCP at the time of this encounter. Testing positive to a substance in your system is very different than being under the influence of a substance, though again neither justify the government gunning someone down in the street.
We encourage the public, the media, and law enforcement to resist the temptation to seize upon this all too convenient practice of character assassination in an attempt to divert attention away from meaningful responses to the systematic violence and dehumanization that is far too common in interactions between law enforcement and communities of color.
These findings in no way change the tragic fact that Terence Crutcher should be alive and with his family today," a statement from Ryan Kiesel, executive director of ACLU of Oklahoma, read in part.
Officer Shelby pleaded not guilty to the first-degree manslaughter charge.
She is expected to appear in court for a preliminary hearing on Nov. 29.
http://kfor.com/2016/10/11/medical-examiner-terence-crutcher-had-pcp-in-his-system-at-time-of-death/
of course. this is why he deserved to get shot. She knew that via her x ray vision
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of course. this is why he deserved to get shot. She knew that via her x ray vision
This is the exact same thing you say every time evidence shows that a shooting victim had problems. And it never makes any dang sense.
In any event, the officer did say she thought he was on PCP and turns out he was. She didn't need X-ray vision. She needed training. Which she had.
These two drugs, one that can make a big presumably strong man even stronger and the other a hallucinogen, shows this wasn't some stranded motorist who was gunned down by a racist white cop. It helps explain why he was walking down the middle of the road not following instructions.
That said, the fact one officer used a taser and one shot him is a problem, and I want to know why. But it doesn't surprise me that you folks who push this false narrative and jump all over these incidents before the facts come in then ignore evidence like this.
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of course. this is why he deserved to get shot. She knew that via her x ray vision
I wasn't being a dick to you, I asked an honest question that you obviously misunderstood. I'm not looking for an argument I'm looking to understand so drop the fucking attitude.
I wasn't referring to Tamil rice I was referring to the kid who was robbing people with a BB gun and got shot while running away and supposedly pulling it on cops. For the record though the gun Tamir rice had looked exactly like a real gun so this goes back to my first question, do you think cops should have to wait to get shot at before shooting? If they can't tell c gun is fake should they have to wait until they know for sure before shooting?
Notice I didn't mention Castille or the social worker just doing his job? Bc I think the police fucked up there. My point is the ones where the person had a gun and were resisting and got shot, there is just as much outrage in those instances with the ones I didn't mention. That's what I'm trying to understand, I have no problem calling out the police when they screw up...I did it in this thread mal. It seems though that there is a large or at least small but vocal minority who hold similar views to you though that won't call out bad behavior by those who get shot and will use any instances where a black person is shot as an example of police bias
Care to respond to my post Mal?
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Care to respond to my post Mal?
About Tamir Rice?
He had a bb gun and he was killed....he was like 12...
12 year olds play with bb guns.
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This is the exact same thing you say every time evidence shows that a shooting victim had problems. And it never makes any dang sense.
In any event, the officer did say she thought he was on PCP and turns out he was. She didn't need X-ray vision. She needed training. Which she had.
These two drugs, one that can make a big presumably strong man even stronger and the other a hallucinogen, shows this wasn't some stranded motorist who was gunned down by a racist white cop. It helps explain why he was walking down the middle of the road not following instructions.
That said, the fact one officer used a taser and one shot him is a problem, and I want to know why. But it doesn't surprise me that you folks who push this false narrative and jump all over these incidents before the facts come in then ignore evidence like this.
Being on PCP isnt a crime punishable by death. Walking down the road with out following instructions isnt a crime punishable by death either.
He didnt attack anyone.
She was deaf for a brief second.. not sure how that fits here but thats the issue...
have you commented on the brother that was shot when he was asked to reach for his wallet. Did you comment on the mental health worker that was shot while sitting on the floor helping an autistic patient?
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About Tamir Rice?
He had a bb gun and he was killed....he was like 12...
12 year olds play with bb guns.
How about Alton sterling? He had a real gun...how about the kid who used a BB gun to rob people and got shot while pulling it on cops while running away?
I don't know why you would think acknowledging the incidents that have been used erroneously by the black lives matter movement would weaken your stance, if anything it would strengthen it.
You know like how I say that this cop fucked up instead of just ignoring the ones that don't fit a certain narrative?
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Being on PCP isnt a crime punishable by death. Walking down the road with out following instructions isnt a crime punishable by death either.
He didnt attack anyone.
She was deaf for a brief second.. not sure how that fits here but thats the issue...
have you commented on the brother that was shot when he was asked to reach for his wallet. Did you comment on the mental health worker that was shot while sitting on the floor helping an autistic patient?
Did you comment on Alton sterling who had a gun and allegedly threatened someone with it, then resisted arrest, was tasered and still resisted?
How about Mike brown who's friends story was decidedly disproved by the attorney general but who's mother is still a part of the black lives matter movement?
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Being on PCP isnt a crime punishable by death. Walking down the road with out following instructions isnt a crime punishable by death either.
He didnt attack anyone.
She was deaf for a brief second.. not sure how that fits here but thats the issue...
have you commented on the brother that was shot when he was asked to reach for his wallet. Did you comment on the mental health worker that was shot while sitting on the floor helping an autistic patient?
Neither I nor anyone in this thread said being on PCP is a crime punishable by death.
Neither I nor anyone in this thread said walking down the road without following instructions is a crime punishable by death.
You love to set up and knock down these straw men.
This wasn't a situation where someone was stranded on the road and was gunned down by a racist white cop. This was a man under the influence of powerful drugs (including an hallucinogen), which explains his erratic behavior. His behavior is what got him shot. His behavior was caused at least in part by the drugs he was using. The fact he was on drugs doesn't by itself justify the shooting. It does, however, provide a great deal of context.
I don't know if I commented on whatever shootings you are talking about, but what does that have to do with Crutcher being on PCP and a hallucinogen?
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Being on PCP isnt a crime punishable by death. Walking down the road with out following instructions isnt a crime punishable by death either.
He didnt attack anyone.
She was deaf for a brief second.. not sure how that fits here but thats the issue...
have you commented on the brother that was shot when he was asked to reach for his wallet. Did you comment on the mental health worker that was shot while sitting on the floor helping an autistic patient?
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Not sure how I missed this. Maybe because it didn't get the wall-to-wall coverage like the shooting?
Jury Acquits Tulsa Officer Betty Shelby in Shooting Death of Terence Crutcher
by ERIK ORTIZ and PHIL HELSEL
May 18, 2017
A jury on Wednesday acquitted a white Oklahoma police officer in the shooting death of an unarmed black man in Tulsa last year.
Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby, 43, had been charged with manslaughter in the September 2016 shooting death of Terence Crutcher, 40, during an encounter that began with the report of a stalled vehicle.
The district attorney’s office announced a verdict had been reached shortly after 9 p.m. local time (10 p.m. ET), more than eight hours after deliberations began, NBC affiliate KJRH reported.
The manslaughter trial against Shelby opened May 10 with prosecutors laying out how the five-year veteran of the Tulsa Police Department encountered Crutcher — what should have been a routine traffic matter that went too far, they said.
Instead, Crutcher's death — another involving an unarmed black man at the hands of police — touched off Black Lives Matter protests and calls for greater transparency from local authorities.
Crutcher's family called the verdict a disappointment, and called the police department "corrupt" after being led out of the courtroom filled with emotion. Crutcher’s twin sister, Tiffany Crutcher, said her brother's hands were up, that he was not an imminent threat or attack her and didn't deserve to be shot.
"Terence was not the aggressor; Betty Shelby was the aggressor," she said. "Betty Shelby had the gun. Betty Shelby was following him with his hands up."
Shelby was among the officers who responded to reports of a stalled SUV left abandoned in the middle of a road just after 7:30 p.m. local time, prosecutors said.
Police said Crutcher approached the vehicle but failed to listen to commands from officers. Shelby asked Crutcher if the car was his, but only mumbled to himself and didn't respond, according to an affidavit.
Crutcher was seen walking to his car with his hands up before reaching into the driver's side window. One of the officers fired his Taser at him. Shelby also fired her gun — striking the father of four in the lung, police said.
Video footage taken from helicopter and cruiser dashcams don't provide clear views of the moment she shot him.
An attorney for Shelby later said that she believed Crutcher was under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs. Shelby, a former deputy for the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office, had previously completed drug-recognition expert training.
A toxicology report revealedthat Crutcher was on two hallucinogenic drugs, including PCP, during the encounter. It took at least two minutes after Crutcher was shot before police attempted aid, according to officers.
During the trial, Shelby testified that police training videos taught her to be careful about suspects pulling guns when they reach into their vehicles, according to The Associated Press.
She fired her weapon, she told a Tulsa County courthouse on Monday, because "I feared for my life."
"I did everything I could to stop this," she added. "Crutcher's death is his fault."
Prosecuting attorney Kevin Gray told the court that Crutcher was never aggressive toward police or actually produced a gun, and that Shelby was merely "guessing" that he had one.
Her defense attorney, Shannon McMurray, argued that it was unfair for the prosecution to repeatedly say Crutcher was unarmed. No weapon was found inside the SUV.
"To somehow imply that she was supposed to see what was in this door panel is absurd. It's deceitful and you should disregard it," McMurray told jurors, according to the AP.
Judge Doug Drummond, however, said his being unarmed was a relevant factor in the case.
An attorney for the Crutcher family, Benjamin Crump, raised the deaths of other black men in encounters with police, like Michael Brown and Freddie Gray, in expressing his disappointment with the verdict.
"The list just goes on and on, of unarmed African American men being killed by white police officers, and they get away with it," Crump said.
Jerad Lindsey, chairman of Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police, said that the jury’s verdict was the right one, but said the shooting was a tragedy. "There’s no winners in this," he said. "There's still a family that has dealt with a tragedy here, the Crutchers, and we still extend our deepest sympathies to them."
"And now that we’ve reached a verdict, Tulsa’s gonna have to figure out how to get its arms around this and be able to move forward in a positive way," Lindsey said.
Both Shelby's family, including her husband, who is a fellow Tulsa police officer, and Crutcher's family have been at the courthouse since the trial began.
Shelby was placed on paid administrative leave amid the investigation, then on unpaid leave. Shelby did not speak to the media after Wednesday's verdict. McMurray said Shelby is "elated and very proud of her jury."
Tulsa County District Attorney Stephen Kunzweiler in a statement Wednesday night thanked jurors and said "there can be no doubt that the decision rendered by this jury was only after a long and deliberative process."
The NAACP Legal Defense Fund in a statement called Wednesday’s verdict disappointing, and said it is hopeful the Justice Department files charges. The DOJ announced shortly after the shooting that it was opening a civil rights investigation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-acquits-tulsa-officer-shooting-death-terence-crutcher-n761206
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at first I thought this was a bad sho0t because the media implied the window was up. The window according the info in the trial, was down.
I won't bother with details but action beats reaction every single time.. and if he was reaching in, combined with ignoring all commands, then the shooting at that point was justified.
But here's my problem with the entire situation. I've been in her position at least a dozen times, probably more. It's not uncommon. That she was there with a back up officer and they had the opportunity to deploy less lethal BEFORE he reached the vehicle door, it was just bad tactics. He should have never gotten to that point. They were negligent. But when he got to that point, the window down, him allegedly reaching in despite their repeated commands, the shooting portion was justified