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http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/obamas-main-legacy-the-collapse-of-the-democratic-party
In the course of about six hours, what was supposed to be a Republican existential crisis turned into a Republican wave.
What was supposed to be a victory of the coalition of the ascendant became a dispiriting rout of the coalition that didn’t show up.
What was supposed to be the crowning political achievement of Barack Obama’s presidency set the predicate for the unraveling of his legacy.
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Since before he was elected president, Obama put down as a marker the transformational example of Ronald Reagan. That entailed moving the political center of gravity of the country in his direction; winning re-election; and cementing his standing by securing a de facto third term for a Democratic successor.
As of 7 p.m. Tuesday, the Reagan standard looked to be in Obama’s grasp. His approval rating stood above 50 percent. He campaigned vigorously, and apparently effectively, in front of adoring crowds. The last round of public polling and the exit polls on Election Day showed Hillary Clinton getting over the top, and her victory seemed likely to precipitate an ugly, self-destructive Republican civil war.
By the wee hours of Wednesday, this scenario turned to ashes and Obama could only survey the wreckage of the Democratic Party, and by extension, his highest ambition.
Obama is a once-in-a-generation political athlete who will always be remembered as the nation’s first African-American president. But a goodly portion of what he has labored for over two terms could now wash out with the political tide.
His party has been devastated beneath him. It began in 2010, when Republicans took the House by winning 63 seats, the biggest pickup since 1948, and six seats in the Senate. In 2014, Republicans gained another 13 House seats and took control of the Senate. Democrats lost more than 900 state legislative seats in this period.
This was chalked up to the midterm effect, the product of a smaller, more Republican-leaning electorate in nonpresidential years. Well, on Tuesday night, the GOP won Senate races in blue states. It minimized losses in the House. It picked up more governorships, including in Vermont, and made striking gains in state legislatures from Kentucky to Connecticut.
All in a presidential year. The GOP controls the presidency, the US Senate and House, and roughly two-thirds of the country’s governorships and state legislatures. The Democrats are now, judging by the scorecard of major offices, the nation’s minority party.
What happened? From the beginning, Obama pushed the left-most plausible agenda without regard to political consequences. His signature initiative, ObamaCare, was forced through Congress despite its manifest unpopularity and with the crucial assistance of obvious falsehoods (i.e., that it would reduce premiums and people could keep their doctors).
When Obama’s initial legislative overreach cost him his congressional majorities, he proceeded with executive overreach, especially on environmental regulation and immigration. His attitude was that everyone had to get with his program and that if they didn’t, they were either stupid or spiteful. He believed less in the usual political arts of compromise and personal relationships than in the irresistible power of his own words.
Having made no real effort at party-building and after a series of disastrous midterms where his campaigning basically saved no one, he had no protégé to turn to in order to try to win his third term. The political bench was empty. He had to reach back to his vanquished rival, Hillary Clinton, whose inadequacies he had exposed in the 2008 primaries and who was almost comically ill-suited to energizing the Obama coalition.
Those voters were considered Obama’s enduring political contribution — an ever-growing bloc of minorities, millennials and the college-educated who would swamp older white voters and constitute an ideological ratchet, turning the country’s politics steadily to the left.
In its first big post-Obama test, the coalition failed. Now many of the president’s substantive achievements are under threat from a unified Republican government, especially ObamaCare, which is in a semi-crisis, and his vast number of unilateral actions. President Trump will pick up his own pen and phone.
President Obama’s party is lurching toward its own bloodletting after losing to perhaps the least likely presidential candidate in all of American history.
We now know that President Obama’s larger project has come a cropper. He is no Ronald Reagan, not even close.
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Well Soul Crusher,
You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be. No legacy, nothing accomplished. Nothing.
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Well Soul Crusher,
You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be. No legacy, nothing accomplished. Nothing.
He squandered 8 years on bullshit. He coulda been a contender - instead he chose to be a ZERO
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O-fag has no one to blame but himself.
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O-fag has no one to blame but himself.
Why do you think he met with Trump so quickly and badgered him about Obumcare?
His legacy could be gone in a few days ha!
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5824caf6e4b0c56101d5ec05?section=us_politics
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U.S. News & World Report ^ | November 11, 2016 | David Catanese
Posted on November 11, 2016 at 8:08:47 PM EST by righttackle44
On Thursday, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, held a conference call with devastated staffers that put the rosiest possible frame on a calamitous picture.
The message to the dozens of mostly young, sleep-deprived and shell-shocked aides: We did everything we could have. We wouldn't have changed a thing. You should still be proud.
Inside the Democratic National Committee headquarters, which sits half a mile south of the U.S. Capitol, eyes rolled and heads shook in frustration and disbelief.
Clinton's loss at the hands of Donald Trump amounted to the most surprising outcome in the history of modern electoral politics. Of course things could've been done differently. And ignoring that fact wasn't going to make the searing defeat any easier.
"We are pissed at them and state parties are pissed at them because they lost due to arrogance," a top DNC staffer tells U.S. News, sharing the candid sentiment suffusing the high levels of the committee in exchange for anonymity.
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...
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U.S. News & World Report ^ | November 11, 2016 | David Catanese
Posted on November 11, 2016 at 8:08:47 PM EST by righttackle44
On Thursday, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, held a conference call with devastated staffers that put the rosiest possible frame on a calamitous picture.
The message to the dozens of mostly young, sleep-deprived and shell-shocked aides: We did everything we could have. We wouldn't have changed a thing. You should still be proud.
Inside the Democratic National Committee headquarters, which sits half a mile south of the U.S. Capitol, eyes rolled and heads shook in frustration and disbelief.
Clinton's loss at the hands of Donald Trump amounted to the most surprising outcome in the history of modern electoral politics. Of course things could've been done differently. And ignoring that fact wasn't going to make the searing defeat any easier.
"We are pissed at them and state parties are pissed at them because they lost due to arrogance," a top DNC staffer tells U.S. News, sharing the candid sentiment suffusing the high levels of the committee in exchange for anonymity.
(Excerpt) Read more at usnews.com ...
No doubt they were shell shocked.
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Amen brotha, the guy is a total loser.
2 term US President is the best he could do with his life?
Well , he's out of work in a couple months , so wtf.
Pathetic.
And look what happened to his party during his tenure. He could have brought us together but instead he leaves a heavily divided nation.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/11/obamas-legacy-the-total-destruction-of-the-democratic-party-n2244680
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I'm no fan of Obama but:
He didn't make Hillary a compulsive liar
He didn't make Hillary a chronic thief
He didn't tell Hillary to set up a private server
He didn't force Hillary to steal from a charity
He didn't make Bill cheat on Hillary
He didn't destroy evidence in an FBI investigation
He didn't rig the Dem primaries against Bernie
He didn't pay for Chelsea's wedding with charitable contributions
He never used the word deplorables
He didn't faint on 9/11 for no reason
His right hand man's wife doesn't send nude pics to 14 year olds
Let's cut the crap. Trump is a below average candidate and he trounced the Clintons. The people of America got tired of the liberal Clinton lies and BS.
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I'm no fan of Obama but:
He didn't make Hillary a compulsive liar
He didn't make Hillary a chronic thief
He didn't tell Hillary to set up a private server
He didn't force Hillary to steal from a charity
He didn't make Bill cheat on Hillary
He didn't destroy evidence in an FBI investigation
He didn't rig the Dem primaries against Bernie
He didn't pay for Chelsea's wedding with charitable contributions
He never used the word deplorables
He didn't faint on 9/11 for no reason
His right hand man's wife doesn't send nude pics to 14 year olds
Let's cut the crap. Trump is a below average candidate and he trounced the Clintons. The people of America got tired of the liberal Clinton lies and BS.
Wrong. Trump is one of the best, if not best candidate in modern history.
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Wrong. Trump is one of the best, if not best candidate in modern history.
Compared to Reagan who won 49 states in 1984 ???
A large section of dems still don't "get it" in regards to the Trump win.
On MTP today, the DNC is considering Keith Ellison ( D- Mn) to be the new DNC party boss.
He's a very liberal progressive black man who's the only Muslim in congress.
That combination won't help win back those Trump voters and would even alienate me.
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Compared to Reagan who won 49 states in 1984 ???
A large section of dems still don't "get it" in regards to the Trump win.
On MTP today, the DNC is considering Keith Ellison ( D- Mn) to be the new DNC party boss.
He's a very liberal progressive black man who's the only Muslim in congress.
That combination won't help win back those Trump voters and would even alienate me.
Their plan is to double down on the race and minority baiting, open the borders and push for mass immigration, legal or illegal.
Its insane really.
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The fundamental problem is that Obama & Co. wanted to drag the country to the Left against the will of the people. Republican control of the Presidential, Legislative and, soon to be, Judicial branches is the result.
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Their plan is to double down on the race and minority baiting, open the borders and push for mass immigration, legal or illegal.
Its insane really.
I agree. But, based on the MTP interviews , at last half of the dems want to go more "progressive".
That will further drive them into a deeper ditch.
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I'm no fan of Obama but:
He didn't make Hillary a compulsive liar
He didn't make Hillary a chronic thief
He didn't tell Hillary to set up a private server
He didn't force Hillary to steal from a charity
He didn't make Bill cheat on Hillary
He didn't destroy evidence in an FBI investigation
He didn't rig the Dem primaries against Bernie
He didn't pay for Chelsea's wedding with charitable contributions
He never used the word deplorables
He didn't faint on 9/11 for no reason
His right hand man's wife doesn't send nude pics to 14 year olds
Let's cut the crap. Trump is a below average candidate and he trounced the Clintons. The people of America got tired of the liberal Clinton lies and BS.
He did force Obamacare through Congress without reading the entire piece of shit.
Hillary wanted to expand on and "improve" obamacare; the question is: who would have benefited from Clinton's "improvements" to Obamacare???
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Well Soul Crusher,
You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be. No legacy, nothing accomplished. Nothing.
He's good at getting HIMSELF elected, other democrats.....not so much.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/after-winning-7-more-seats-gop-dominance-state-legislatures-all
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In a few short years they won't even be relevant on the national stage.
Just a regional party full of radicals fueled by hate based ideology.
The Rust Belt is gone for them. Their media propaganda wing becomes weaker, less trusted and more despised by the day.
It really is a losing battle for them.
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In a few short years they won't even be relevant on the national stage.
Just a regional party full of radicals fueled by hate based ideology.
The Rust Belt is gone for them. Their media propaganda wing becomes weaker, less trusted and more despised by the day.
It really is a losing battle for them.
Not to mention a failed economic ideology: Socialism.
I see no evidence that they "get it." They seem to think that they aren't far enough to the Left.
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Not to mention a failed economic ideology: Socialism.
I see no evidence that they "get it." They seem to think that they aren't far enough to the Left.
I read somewhere their power on the state legislative level is at its all time weakest since THE CIVIL WAR!!!
That equates to a very sparse bench to choose from going forward and they seem to be putting all their hopes in the form of a couple of ancient far left radicals in Sanders and Warren.
That's not even getting into the point Howard made about picking Ellison as party boss, which just baffles me.
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I read somewhere their power on the state legislative level is at its all time weakest since THE CIVIL WAR!!!
That equates to a very sparse bench to choose from going forward and they seem to be putting all their hopes in the form of a couple of ancient far left radicals in Sanders and Warren.
That's not even getting into the point Howard made about picking Ellison as party boss, which just baffles me.
Ellison is a perfect example of their delusion. I hope he gets the DNC spot so the Dems travel even farther down the drain pipe.
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Ellison is a perfect example of their delusion. I hope he gets the DNC spot so the Dems travel even farther down the drain pipe.
And supposedly there is a movement to remove 76 year old Pelosi from her leadership position which I pray to the comedy gods she is able to squash in ruthless fashion. :D
Get your popcorn ready. This is gonna get good. 8)
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Obama on ticket, Dems win. Not on ticket, they lose. If he were eligible for a third term he would have gotten 70 million votes.
Your guy won. Celebrate it. This is in no way a repudiation of the 44th President of the United States. Hopefully this provided a
little insight into the real world.
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Obama on ticket, Dems win. Not on ticket, they lose. If he were eligible for a third term he would have gotten 70 million votes.
Your guy won. Celebrate it. This is in no way a repudiation of the 44th President of the United States. Hopefully this provided a
little insight into the real world.
Yep, thats why the Republicans have been taking over all during his presidency.....
Good point.
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Yep, thats why the Republicans have been taking over all during his presidency.....
Good point.
I know that gerrymandering doesn't have anything to do with it, right? Reread my post. When he is on
the ballot, dems win. When he wasn't they don't. They cleaned up in 08 and in 12 dems collectively got
a million more votes than republicans down ballot.
Try to keep up.
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Yep, thats why the Republicans have been taking over all during his presidency.....
Good point.
That's the result you get when your whole party is based on a complete empty suit hack who couldn't manage a Dairy Queen.
Hard to really even call him a president because 99% of his "work" will be destroyed within the first few days by Trump's pen.
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Yep, thats why the Republicans have been taking over all during his presidency.....
Good point.
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AbrahamG: "But,but... he was black and he was awesome because he was black!! Facts ARE NOT reality!"
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This is the result of electing basically the male version of Paris Hilton as your President. The fact that he still has supporters on this subforum after being an absolute cancer for his party really blows my mind.
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Yet, not one refutation of my point.
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Yet, not one refutation of my point.
What is your point? That they picked up a few seats in 2012? Big fucking deal. They still didn't even come close to taking back the house, and after the ass raping they got in 2010, a bit of a bounce back was to be expected.
"Republicans regained control of the chamber they had lost in the 2006 midterm elections, picking up a net total of 63 seats and erasing the gains Democrats made in 2006 and 2008. Although the sitting U.S. President's party usually loses seats in a midterm election, the 2010 election resulted in the highest loss of a party in a House midterm election since 1938,[6][7] and the largest House swing since 1948.[8] This also happened to be the Republicans' largest gain in House seats since 1938.[9"
Moral victories are for losers.
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What is your point? That they picked up a few seats in 2012? Big fucking deal. They still didn't even come close to taking back the house.
Moral victories are for losers.
Point is when dems run from him, they lose. One more time. He received an average of 67 million votes the two times he ran. How many did Mr. Trump receive?
His legacy will be that hopefully the Dems will finally learn their lesson and stop the centrist, pro wall street bullshit and become a truly progressive, democratic party.
Regarding a few seats in 2012? Should have been more than a few. They got over a million more votes. What do you guys think Trump is going to do for the working class?
Ford isn't bringing small car production back. No matter what. They will discontinue those cars before they bring them back and make LESS money. EPS will decrease and the stock will tank. What is the Donald going to do about that?
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Point is when dems run from him, they lose. One more time. He received an average of 67 million votes the two times he ran. How many did Mr. Trump receive?
His legacy will be that hopefully the Dems will finally learn their lesson and stop the centrist, pro wall street bullshit and become a truly progressive, democratic party.
Regarding a few seats in 2012? Should have been more than a few. They got over a million more votes. What do you guys think Trump is going to do for the working class?
Ford isn't bringing small car production back. No matter what. They will discontinue those cars before they bring them back and make LESS money. EPS will decrease and the stock will tank. What is the Donald going to do about that?
Shoulda woulda coulda no one gives a fuck. You lost everything.
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I know that gerrymandering doesn't have anything to do with it, right? Reread my post. When he is on
the ballot, dems win. When he wasn't they don't. They cleaned up in 08 and in 12 dems collectively got
a million more votes than republicans down ballot.
Try to keep up.
Laughable post. Extremely ignorant. You do realize one is during a presidential/national vote and one isn't? You shouldn't need that explained to you why a certain party might receive more votes overall in an election year no matter who the president is.
Now refute Thin Lizzy. You can't and haven't.
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And also a special guest appearance by Obama himself to refute you Mr. Abraham.
Pre-election:
Obama,"My legacy will be lost if you don't vote for Hillary."
Post-election:
Obama (while finagling with play-doh),"Noone cares about my legacy or anything I did....Well, actually they must not have liked it very well at all."
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Laughable post. Extremely ignorant. You do realize one is during a presidential/national vote and one isn't? You shouldn't need that explained to you why a certain party might receive more votes overall in an election year no matter who the president is.
Now refute Thin Lizzy. You can't and haven't.
What he's peddling is the current Dem talking point to explain this historic defeat.
It took me about 5 minutes of research to destroy it.
The Bottom Line is that Obama suffered two historic shellackings under his watch. Whether he was on the ballot or not, he was still the President.
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Look you two dummies. Obama received more votes in 08 and 12 than any other candidate in history. This year is all about Clinton fatigue. Even with that,
she still got more votes. Obama is at a near all time high approval rating and would have cleared 70 million votes if he were on the ballot. My fingertips are starting to
hurt from owning the living shit out of you two bozo's.
Have a grand night.
Talk to you in 2-4 years when the economy is in tatters like it was pre-Obama.
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Look you two dummies. Obama received more votes in 08 and 12 than any other candidate in history. This year is all about Clinton fatigue. Even with that,
she still got more votes. Obama is at a near all time high approval rating and would have cleared 70 million votes if he were on the ballot. My fingertips are starting to
hurt from owning the living shit out of you two bozo's.
Have a grand night.
Talk to you in 2-4 years when the economy is in tatters like it was pre-Obama.
Wow. Still in denial!
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Wow. Still in denial!
Make that 3 dummies.
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Look you two dummies. Obama received more votes in 08 and 12 than any other candidate in history. This year is all about Clinton fatigue. Even with that,
she still got more votes. Obama is at a near all time high approval rating and would have cleared 70 million votes if he were on the ballot. My fingertips are starting to
hurt from owning the living shit out of you two bozo's.
Have a grand night.
Talk to you in 2-4 years when the economy is in tatters like it was pre-Obama.
You owned us the way the girls at Huffpo did:
Just relax and hit the Play Doh. Your delicate mental state seems to require it.
Make that 3 dummies.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-wreckage-of-obamas-legacy.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
The comments are amazing by some. libfags in sheer denial and delusion - but most coming to terms what a disastrous failure Obama is and was and will forever be.
F him.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-wreckage-of-obamas-legacy.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
The comments are amazing by some. libfags in sheer denial and delusion - but most coming to terms what a disastrous failure Obama is and was and will forever be.
F him.
Obama, himself, is in denial. He's hiding out in other parts of the world and giving rambling, incoherent speeches, pretending as though he's still relevant.
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Trump's win proves that Obama's "legacy" in the History books will be solidified as an absolute failure; and not only to his own presidency, but to his own party.
His two major accomplishments:
1. Obamacare
2. Iran Deal
The hoops that the liberals have to jump through to defend his two key accomplishments in 8 years is amazing; Neither has helped American workers in the slightest.
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Obama, himself, is in denial. He's hiding out in other parts of the world and giving rambling, incoherent speeches, pretending as though he's still relevant.
Its comical how desperate O-TWINK is to remain relevant
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Leftist Progressives simply overestimate the number of Americans who are Leftist Progressive. It's a center right country. Calling people who disagree them racist/sexist/homophobic is inaccurate. The phobia we have is for Leftists. I would dislike a Gay Leftist even if he were straight.
So, the idea that Democrats suffered the losses they did under Obama is a result of not being far enough to the Left is structurally flawed and will result in more failure.
I'm glad they feel this way and hope they don't change.
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Obama's legacy:
Pedos and sexual predators can now legally lurk the women's bathrooms at their own leisure.
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Leftist Progressives simply overestimate the number of Americans who are Leftist Progressive. It's a center right country. Calling people who disagree them racist/sexist/homophobic is inaccurate. The phobia we have is for Leftists. I would dislike a Gay Leftist even if he were straight.
So, the idea that Democrats suffered the losses they did under Obama is a result of not being far enough to the Left is structurally flawed and will result in more failure.
I'm glad they feel this way and hope they don't change.
After every single massive repudiation of the Left Progressive Marxist agenda the Left always says, "Well, I think we moved too far too fast for the American people..." the pundits and propagandists in the media always say this.
Maybe it's the fact that they get humiliated and defeated time and time again because they keep attempting to move in that direction at all? Not too far too fast to the left, just to the left is why they get slaughtered.
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Well Soul Crusher,
You always called him a Zero and it looks like that is what he will be. No legacy, nothing accomplished. Nothing.
Served two terms....accomplished a lot but you won't acknowledge it anyway so why bother listing all his accomplishments....Broug ht into the Dem party lots of Millenials.....Hillary lost the party due to overestimating her appeal..probably should never had run in the first [place
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Served two terms....accomplished a lot but you won't acknowledge it anyway so why bother listing all his accomplishments....Broug ht into the Dem party lots of Millenials.....Hillary lost the party due to overestimating her appeal..probably should never had run in the first [place
LMFAO - he accomplished ZERO
Obama is failing, a loser, and a failed POTUS #failing :D
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Served two terms....accomplished a lot but you won't acknowledge it anyway so why bother listing all his accomplishments....Brought into the Dem party lots of Millenials.....Hillary lost the party due to overestimating her appeal..probably should never had run in the first [place
Why not list them anyway? Go on.
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Why not list them anyway? Go on.
Nah..I'll pass...Ive been through this before....doesn't really accomplish anything with people who are not objective
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Nah..I'll pass...Ive been through this before....doesn't really accomplish anything with people who are not objective
You can't list one accomplishment of Obozo, and everyone else isn't objective? LOL!
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Nah..I'll pass...Ive been through this before....doesn't really accomplish anything with people who are not objective
Please enlighten us on what Obama's objective was?
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You can't list one accomplishment of Obozo, and everyone else isn't objective? LOL!
This is his accomplishment:
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You can't list one accomplishment of Obozo, and everyone else isn't objective? LOL!
I can actually list about twenty...I've done so before...just don't want to rehash
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I can actually list about twenty...I've done so before...just don't want to rehash
I can't think of one. That's why I asked.
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I can't think of one. That's why I asked.
Just for fun I'll throw out the revenge killing of Osma Bin Laden so you can deny it was an accomplishment for Obama like you right wing nuts usually do.
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Just for fun I'll throw out the revenge killing of Osma Bin Laden so you can deny it was an accomplishment for Obama like you right wing nuts usually do.
Hahah, no it wasn't. Hahaha
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/29/democrats-are-deceiving-themselves-about-what-this-election-meant/?utm_term=.e20e1b8414b3
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Excuse Maker in Chief is at it again. Has he ever been to a bar? Almost all have sports on television with the sound off and music playing in the background:
President Obama laments influence of Fox News
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/11/29/president-obama-laments-influence-of-fox-news/?client=safari
“There is a cohort of working-class white voters that voted for me in sizable numbers, but that we’ve had trouble getting to vote for Democrats in midterm elections,” said the president. “In this election, [they] turned out in huge numbers for Trump. And I think that part of it has to do with our inability, our failure, to reach those voters effectively. Part of it is Fox News in every bar and restaurant in big chunks of the country, but part of it is also Democrats not working at a grass-roots level, being in there, showing up, making arguments.”
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Excuse Maker in Chief is at it again. Has he ever been to a bar? Almost all have sports on television with the sound off and music playing in the background:
President Obama laments influence of Fox News
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/11/29/president-obama-laments-influence-of-fox-news/?client=safari
“There is a cohort of working-class white voters that voted for me in sizable numbers, but that we’ve had trouble getting to vote for Democrats in midterm elections,” said the president. “In this election, [they] turned out in huge numbers for Trump. And I think that part of it has to do with our inability, our failure, to reach those voters effectively. Part of it is Fox News in every bar and restaurant in big chunks of the country, but part of it is also Democrats not working at a grass-roots level, being in there, showing up, making arguments.”
As if Fox News wasn't on in bars and restaurants back in 2008 when he garnered a sizable portion of their vote.
The lack of self-awareness with this guy is incredible.
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As if Fox News wasn't on in bars and restaurants back in 2008 when he garnered a sizable portion of their vote.
The lack of self-awareness with this guy is incredible.
Good point.
Also, if a bar does show FOX, it's because the customers want it. A Socialist like Obama doesn't get that, in the free market, businesses cater to the customers, not the other way around.
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I can actually list about twenty...I've done so before...just don't want to rehash
How about this one?
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