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"Since I decrease my activity level in the off-season compared to contest training, there's no need to consume many calories. My caloric intake before a show is 800-1,000 calories higher than off-season It comes to 3,500 off-season, 4,500 pre contest." -Lee Haney
Makes a lot of sense to me, not sure what happened, but the new tactic of increasing the cals off season and then dieting into the show seems counterintuitive. Just think about it...
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"Since I decrease my DRUG level in the off-season compared to contest training, there's no need to consume many calories. My caloric intake before a show is 800-1,000 calories higher than off-season It comes to 3,500 off-season, 4,500 pre contest." -Lee Haney
Makes a lot of sense to me, not sure what happened, but the new tactic of increasing the cals off season and then dieting into the show seems counterintuitive. Just think about it...
That's the real reason
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Lee haney completed at 245 and weighed 260 in the off season so he kept very close to his contest weight and was always in shape, these days you have bodybuilders who complete at 250 and weighs 300 pounds in the off season, I think in this age there is an obsession with 300 pounds, I have gotten obsessed with that weight myself and I am stuffing myself with food to get there you can call it bigorexia I guess.
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That's the real reason
LOL.
I don't understand how one would be able to get into contest condition with 4,500 calories, but obviously it worked for Lee. Jeff King said that there was a point where he was at, I believe, 900 calories per day leading up to a contest.
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LOL.
I don't understand how one would be able to get into contest condition with 4,500 calories, but obviously it worked for Lee. Jeff King said that there was a point where he was at, I believe, 900 calories per day leading up to a contest.
The body does not need as much food as you think most of us eat more than what the body needs, I know 150 pound guys who will eat 6000 calories to get big you are just shitting out your money, I remember when I was eating 6 times daily then I had a week that I was very busy and could only eat 3 times per day I was worried that I was going to lose weight but when I weighed myself I weighed the same.
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LOL.
I don't understand how one would be able to get into contest condition with 4,500 calories, but obviously it worked for Lee. Jeff King said that there was a point where he was at, I believe, 900 calories per day leading up to a contest.
Unreal, he must have been incredibly out of shape, way behind schedule, or metabolically fucked..because that should be the caloric intake for a person that weighs 60 pounds.
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mike mentzer didnt eat much either for contest training anywere from 700 to 2000 calories per day max, according to his training journal
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Unreal, he must have been incredibly out of shape, way behind schedule, or metabolically fucked..because that should be the caloric intake for a person that weighs 60 pounds.
i ate 800 calories per day for 2 weeks straight and my bodyfat went down from 12% to 7.5% and i lost 7.5 pounds of fat and only 1.5 pounds of muscle in this 2 week period and this was without gear
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i ate 800 calories per day for 2 weeks straight and my bodyfat went down from 12% to 7.5% and i lost 7.5 pounds of fat and only 1.5 pounds of muscle in this 2 week period and this was without gear
Once again you my friend must be metabolically fucked, and the reason would most likely be a result from dieting like this.
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Once again you my friend must be metabolically fucked, and the reason would most likely be a result from dieting like this.
but if i'm metabolically fucked hows come i'm eating lots of "unclean" food while stayng ripped and dry ???
also i've been completely off of gear for over 6 weeks now
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but if i'm metabolically fucked hows come i'm eating lots of "unclean" food while stayng ripped and dry ???
also i've been completely off of gear for over 6 weeks now
unclean food at 800 calories a day, you must be an enjoyable person to be around.
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Haney was and is, as full of shit and himself as any other drug aided bodybuilder. Recall the Weider video (more "commercial" really) where he stated that he didn't "take no stayroids, just good food and Weider supplements".
BS PhD.
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Haney was and is, as full of shit and himself as any other drug aided bodybuilder. Recall the Weider video (more "commercial" really) where he stated that he didn't "take no stayroids, just good food and Weider supplements".
BS PhD.
Doesn't mean he wasn't smart with his approach to dieting, and how many professional athletes do you know who just flat out admit to taking steroids, it would be career suicide, the only one I can think of is Jose Canseco and that's after MLB banned him.
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Doesn't mean he wasn't smart with his approach to dieting, and how many professional athletes do you know who just flat out admit to taking steroids, it would be career suicide, the only one I can think of is Jose Canseco and that's after MLB banned him.
I suppose one cannot blame him, but he's still a lying sack of shit on that and more than likely on his approach to dieting as well. Just add more drugs was probably the real "secret".
Nah. I blame him. ;D
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I suppose one cannot blame him, but he's still a lying sack of shit on that and more than likely on his approach to dieting as well. Just add more drugs was probably the real "secret".
Nah. I blame him. ;D
What would be his motivation to lie?? Lie to the 16 year old aspiring bodybuilder, "look kids, eat less when you're less active, eat more when you're more active" or to troll his fellow competitiors, "hey guys I stay in shape in my offseason and train less, so when I up my training regimine, I also up my calories" why would he lie? Drugs I understand but what benefits does he gain off lying about his diet?
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What would be his motivation to lie?? Lie to the 16 year old aspiring bodybuilder, "look kids, eat less when you're less active, eat more when you're more active" or to troll his fellow competitiors, "hey guys I stay in shape in my offseason and train less, so when I up my training regimine, I also up my calories" why would he lie? Drugs I understand but what benefits does he gain off lying about his diet?
These people are prone to hiding the truth of their "success" because they fear someone will take and use it against them no matter how simplistic it may actually be.
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we all know if your running enough gear you can eat what you want and get lean, i wouldnt never listen to haney , yates, or any of these current pros advice for dieting you will just end up a fat slob
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we all know if your running enough gear you can eat what you want and get lean, i wouldnt never listen to haney , yates, or any of these current pros advice for dieting you will just end up a fat slob
Yup! And lord knows I don't need any help getting fat(ter)! ;D
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Yup! And lord knows I don't need any help getting fat(ter)! ;D
u got that right scott a natural trainer cannot get lean eating 4k a day, unless they were blessed with a super matolism
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u got that right scott a natural trainer cannot get lean eating 4k a day, unless they were blessed with a super matolism
At a competition weight of 248 that's only 18 calories per pound of bodyweight, and off season 13.5 calories per pound of bodyweight at 260, which isn't really high by all means.
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u got that right scott a natural trainer cannot get lean eating 4k a day, unless they were blessed with a super matolism
I eat a LOT when I want to gain size but I have come to accept that my body fat goes up too. I have been 20% to 24% and feel fine but my waistline looks awful. I will never have a six pack. Never. I just want to look fairly good and be able to move some slightly heavier than normal objects in my dotage. ;D
Eating that much sucks so I will often drink a few quarts of chocolate milk for the extra calories (approx. 940 per bottle). My ego gets the better of me, but there are times I will diet down and I look the same, only smaller. 9.7% body fat at 167 lbs. It was awful.
And still no six pack...Dammit! ;D
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At a competition weight of 248 that's only 18 calories per pound of bodyweight, and off season 13.5 calories per pound of bodyweight at 260, which isn't really high by all means.
Which is why it's all drugs for these guys. Drugs are the difference. Yes, genetics make a difference too but anyone on dope gets bigger and stronger, quicker and easier. The whole "eat clean" thing for them is probably whether or not it dropped on the floor and did they up the one second rule to five seconds. ;D
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unclean food at 800 calories a day, you must be an enjoyable person to be around.
;D
i did that many years ago and basically all i ate for those 14 days was protein power in water for breakkie and my second meal with chicken breasts
it was almost all protien and pure hell, i remember pumping gas at the gas station and i was sure that i was gonna pass the fuck out
after about 3 days in i was basically in a daze for 10 days and i felt like i smoked a huge bag of weed every damn day lol
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Which is why it's all drugs for these guys. Drugs are the difference. Yes, genetics make a difference too but anyone on dope gets bigger and stronger, quicker and easier. The whole "eat clean" thing for them is probably whether or not it dropped on the floor and did they up the one second rule to five seconds. ;D
Well Phil Heath, competes at around 250 and states his offseason diet is anywhere between 5,000-8,000 cal depending on the day, compare that to Haney's 3,500 cals offseason, just to put some thing in perspective here.
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i did that many years ago and basically all i ate for those 14 days was protein power in water for breakkie and my second meal with chicken breasts
it was almost all protien and pure hell, i remember pumping gas at the gas station and i was sure that i was gonna pass the fuck out
after about 3 days in i was basically in a daze for 10 days and i felt like i smoked a huge bag of weed every damn day lol
Exactly the term for that is malnourishment, which will also lead to terrible imbalances in your hormonal environment, which will then lead you to binge, then crash diet, pretty much leaving you with an eating disorder and a dependency on steroids to help your hormones operate normally.
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He just jacked up the doseage come pre contest. Obviously didn't want to push it too hard all year which is why he wasn't so heavy. Once Arnie was the best he weighed like 180 year round.
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Exactly the term for that is malnourishment, which will also lead to terrible imbalances in your hormonal environment, which will then lead you to binge, then crash diet, pretty much leaving you with an eating disorder and a dependency on steroids to help your hormones operate normally.
yep, but if you only do it for 2 weeks youll be ok
genetics determine health bro, and diet has less than 10% influnce on it imho
the TRUMP ACE is genetics
just like you inhertited top notch genetics for facial beatuty stud (no homo of course ;D)
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He just jacked up the doseage come pre contest. Obviously didn't want to push it too hard all year which is why he wasn't so heavy. Once Arnie was the best he weighed like 180 year round.
Which seems like the right approach, why pros started doing the opposite, I'm not sure.
yep, but if you only do it for 2 weeks youll be ok
genetics determine health bro, and diet has less than 10% influnce on it imho
the TRUMP ACE is genetics
just like you inhertited top notch genetics for facial beatuty stud (no homo of course ;D)
I wouldn't want to eat 800 calories for 2 days let alone 2 weeks, do you understand that is the caloric consumption of a 55 pound person, anyone who has "good genetics" would never have to restrict calories to that level.
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I knew of a guy who was a light heavy who turned pro. He ate just 3 cans of tuna a day for month leading up to national level contest(which he won)...Said he did a lot of meth the last 4 weeks of the show. Came in absolutely fucking shredded...Never amounted to anything as a pro because he was a drug addict/partier.lol
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yep, but if you only do it for 2 weeks youll be ok
genetics determine health bro, and diet has less than 10% influnce on it imho
the TRUMP ACE is genetics
just like you inhertited top notch genetics for facial beatuty stud (no homo of course ;D)
Yes, the body wants to heal itself and will correct.
Some people fast too, eating barely anything for a few days. Some claim health benefits from it too.
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I knew of a guy who was a light heavy who turned pro. He ate just 3 cans of tuna a day for month leading up to national level contest(which he won)...Said he did a lot of meth the last 4 weeks of the show. Came in absolutely fucking shredded...Never amounted to anything as a pro because he was a drug addict/partier.lol
theres a thread about very low cal comsumption on the roid board, its a verg good read actually
youre an interesting dude with lots of insight into the joo race, but what can you say about my ancestors, i.e. the WASP's? they basically conquered and ruled this whole goddamn planet and still do imho with a little joo interwinment as well
Yes, the body wants to heal itself and will correct.
Some people fast too, eating barely anything for a few days. Some claim health benefits from it too.
undereating supposedly increases lifespan as it lessens free radical cellular damage in the body
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Lee haney completed at 245 and weighed 260 in the off season so he kept very close to his contest weight and was always in shape, these days you have bodybuilders who complete at 250 and weighs 300 pounds in the off season, I think in this age there is an obsession with 300 pounds, I have gotten obsessed with that weight myself and I am stuffing myself with food to get there you can call it bullshit I guess.
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Well Phil Heath, competes at around 250 and states his offseason diet is anywhere between 5,000-8,000 cal depending on the day, compare that to Haney's 3,500 cals offseason, just to put some thing in perspective here.
they all lie about the calories they eat...
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they all lie about the calories they eat...
Are you guys really that parinoid?? Why would they lie about food? To trick fellow competitors?? Young kids?? What benefit are they getting from this? If they really wanted to lie, wouldn't they say they eat a bunch of stuff they dont really eat? And completely underestimate their calories. .not over estimate?
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Are you guys really that parinoid?? Why would they lie about food? To trick fellow competitors?? Young kids?? What benefit are they getting from this? If they really wanted to lie, wouldn't they say they eat a bunch of stuff they dont really eat? And completely underestimate their calories. .not over estimate?
sorry, Im talking about the ones who come up with the huge calorie quotes.
The human digestive system couldnt cope with that amount of food on a regular basis.
I think the 4500 for a pro bodybuilder is about right.
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sorry, Im talking about the ones who come up with the huge calorie quotes.
The human digestive system couldnt cope with that amount of food on a regular basis.
I think the 4500 for a pro bodybuilder is about right.
Ok heres an example, im a top tier pro, everyone of my competition is listening and reading my strategies for dieting, and im scared they will discover my formula and use it themselves and beat me..i would lie like this
Meal 1: 2 Greek yogurts, 2 scoops of raw honey, 1 cup granola
2: pre workout: 1 chocolate milk, 2 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter
Meal 3: same as meal 2, just no peanut butter (anabolic window want quick carbs no fat), add 1 scoop whey isolate
Meal 4: 4oz ground beef, pasta
Meal 5: 4oz ground turkey, 1 cup black beans, .5cup wild rice
Meal6: 12 oz of kefir (to aid digestion) half cup cottage cheese (caesien slow digesting) mix with 1 scoop peanut butter
Now in reality i consume no dairy, no beans, and no peanut butter, however this sounds like it can be believable right..thats what i call trolling. Not saying i eat 5,000 cal of lean meat, complex carbs, and greens.
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Ok heres an example, im a top tier pro, everyone of my competition is listening and reading my strategies for dieting, and im scared they will discover my formula and use it themselves and beat me..i would lie like this
Meal 1: 2 Greek yogurts, 2 scoops of raw honey, 1 cup granola
2: pre workout: 1 chocolate milk, 2 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter
Meal 3: same as meal 2, just no peanut butter (anabolic window want quick carbs no fat), add 1 scoop whey isolate
Meal 4: 4oz ground beef, pasta
Meal 5: 4oz ground turkey, 1 cup black beans, .5cup wild rice
Meal6: 12 oz of kefir (to aid digestion) half cup cottage cheese (caesien slow digesting) mix with 1 scoop peanut butter
Now in reality i consume no dairy, no beans, and no peanut butter, however this sounds like it can be believable right..thats what i call trolling. Not saying i eat 5,000 cal of lean meat, complex carbs, and greens.
anyone weight 230lb lean tissue and eating over 5000 cals is going to get fat real quick, unless they are doing lots of cardio.
the body cant process food that fast, you would just get fat and have huge shits.
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anyone weight 230lb lean tissue and eating over 5000 cals is going to get fat real quick, unless they are doing lots of cardio.
the body cant process food that fast, you would just get fat and have huge shits.
i ate a legit 5000 cals for 10 straight weeks and i went from a buck 46 to a buck 90 and bf went from 7.5 to 19.7 no gear was used
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Are you guys really that parinoid?? Why would they lie about food? To trick fellow competitors?? Young kids?? What benefit are they getting from this? If they really wanted to lie, wouldn't they say they eat a bunch of stuff they dont really eat? And completely underestimate their calories. .not over estimate?
Yeah...Pretty much that's it in a nutshell. They lie. About everything. Nothing to do with those of us that realize they're liars being paranoid, it's the bodydopers who are paranoid.
They're looking for the edge. An advantage over their dental floss wearing competitors. It can be real or imagined, so long as someone believes their tripe.
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we all know if your running enough gear you can eat what you want and get lean, i wouldnt never listen to haney , yates, or any of these current pros advice for dieting you will just end up a fat slob
I agree that is why pro bodybuilders dont diet for competitions they eat mcdonalds and burger king right up to the competition time and go on stage shredded.
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I agree that is why pro bodybuilders dont diet for competitions they eat mcdonalds and burger king right up to the competition time and go on stage shredded.
I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever competed on a national or pro level? Worked with coaches who are pros or coaches who train world champions?
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Stimulate, don't annihilate!
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i ate a legit 5000 cals for 10 straight weeks and i went from a buck 46 to a buck 90 and bf went from 7.5 to 19.7 no gear was used
What were you expecting to happen? You're eating like someone who is enhanced, yet you weren't enhanced? Not to mention at a weight of 146, the highest you should go caloric wise would be around 3,000..20xbw.
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What were you expecting to happen? You're eating like someone who is enhanced, yet you weren't enhanced? Not to mention at a weight of 146, the highest you should go caloric wise would be around 3,000..20xbw.
my trainer/coacb at the time ordered me to do it
according to him you need to gain 2 or 3 pounds of fat for every pound of lean muscle tissue added
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I agree that is why pro bodybuilders dont diet for competitions they eat mcdonalds and burger king right up to the competition time and go on stage shredded.
they eat in a calorific deficit, thats all that matters.
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my trainer/coacb at the time ordered me to do it
according to him you need to gain 2 or 3 pounds of fat for every pound of lean muscle tissue added
hahaha,, fucking knob head.
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I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever competed on a national or pro level? Worked with coaches who are pros or coaches who train world champions?
X2. I love people who have never taken juice saying if you take enuff you can eat whatever you want and get shredded. No, you still have to diet dumbass.
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I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever been out of your mums basement?
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X2. I love people who have never taken juice saying if you take enuff you can eat whatever you want and get shredded. No, you still have to diet dumbass.
hey christopher bro, i have actually heard this from some reputable people that the amount of drugs pros run they can stay pretty lean , eating anything, im not saying they can win a show of course. but the drugs help alot
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hey christopher bro, i have actually heard this from some reputable people that the amount of drugs pros run they can stay pretty lean , eating anything, im not saying they can win a show of course. but the drugs help alot
its because drugs give you a higher LBM and as such a higher resting BMR, still if you overeat you get fat just the same.
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hahaha,, fucking knob head.
doesnt sound like you be queer ???
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doesnt sound like you be queer ???
and you getting ordered to do something doesnt fit your normal , "I do my own thing and listen to no one " posts either.
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my trainer/coacb at the time ordered me to do it
according to him you need to gain 2 or 3 pounds of fat for every pound of lean muscle tissue added
In this 10 week period you never felt the need to question your coach regarding this protocol? He didn't see that you were turning into a meatball? He should have never let you get over 14% bf.
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and you getting ordered to do something doesnt fit your normal , "I do my own thing and listen to no one " posts either.
fair play
In this 10 week period you never felt the need to question your coach regarding this protocol? He didn't see that you were turning into a meatball? He should have never let you get over 14% bf.
good point but he was this fella so he is kinda known in this field even has an exercise named after him ie, the JM Press
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fair play
good point but he was this fella so he is kinda known in this field even has an exercise named after him ie, the JM Press
I wouldnt even talk to him....
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I wouldnt even talk to him....
yep he has a massive ego, but he is also highly intelligent, i'd say a near genius iq
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yep he has a massive ego, but he is also highly intelligent, i'd say a near genius iq
is that why he writes on his arms in magic marker?
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fair play
good point but he was this fella so he is kinda known in this field even has an exercise named after him ie, the JM Press
Lol..I think the first problem is hiring a coach who is a power lifter, unless that was your goal? Was your goal with this diet to compete in power lifting?
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Lol..I think the first problem is hiring a coach who is a power lifter, unless that was your goal? Was your goal with this diet to compete in power lifting?
its likely he just wanted someone to talk to.
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Lol..I think the first problem is hiring a coach who is a power lifter, unless that was your goal? Was your goal with this diet to compete in power lifting?
i competed in bp comps at the time and also did some physique modelling
he told me that one of my gifts was my ability to reach strong conditioning
its likely he just wanted someone to talk to.
it was a strange exchange btw us coz we both mostly liked to talk about ourselves LOL
he called himself an alpha male and he said quite a few funny things
like one time another friend of mine was talking bout some bodybuilder and JM said "who?" "never heard of him?" "what's he bench?" and my friend said his bench and then he replied "i'm not impressed!" all in a very strong and authoritative voice ;D LOL
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i competed in bp comps at the time and also did some physique modelling
he told me that one of my gifts was my ability to reach strong conditioning
it was a strange exchange btw us coz we both mostly liked to talk about ourselves LOL
he called himself an alpha male and he said quite a few funny things
like one time another friend of mine was talking bout some bodybuilder and JM said "who?" "never heard of him?" "what's he bench?" and my friend said his bench and then he replied "i'm not impressed!" all in a very strong and authoritative voice ;D LOL
you already said you dont have any friends....
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you already said you dont have any friends....
paranoid much?
"friend" in this context means someone that i met on a regular basis and did shit with, like training, eating junk asian food at the resturant etc
riddle me this? do you have many close friends?
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I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever competed on a national or pro level? Worked with coaches who are pros or coaches who train world champions?
Well I see you dont know how to detect sarcasm.
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paranoid much?
"friend" in this context means someone that i met on a regular basis and did shit with, like training, eating junk asian food at the resturant etc
riddle me this? do you have many close friends?
I understand exactly what you are saying, my friend. As for those I hold close? I have two such friends. My older and younger brothers.
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looked great, even with them little arms.
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paranoid much?
"friend" in this context means someone that i met on a regular basis and did shit with, like training, eating junk asian food at the resturant etc
riddle me this? do you have many close friends?
no.
I dont have anyone I share personal things with , apart from my partner.
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I don't think that anyone should have to admit the use steroids (take illegal drugs). I don't have any problem with Haney denying that he uses. What I do have a problem with is anyone purposely denying it when not even asked. Hey look at me I'm a 240 pounds ripped natural. ::)
If Lee went down in weight after a show and I'm not talking about his rebound right after when he went to 260 I'm talking about coming off drugs and the intense lifting then yes he would likely consume a lot less calories when he was in the "off" season. So when he was back on and into his Olympia training he would up the calories because he not only was more active but he needed them to get back the muscle he lost while off. Also keep in mind that he most likely dropped his calories as the show got closer. So this may mean that he was coming close again to his off season calorie consumption.
If Lee ate about 4K cals and Phil eats about almost double that then can anyone tell me why he would "need" the extra calories? HINT: they are mostly in the form of carbs.
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I don't think that anyone should have to admit the use steroids (take illegal drugs). I don't have any problem with Haney denying that he uses. What I do have a problem with is anyone purposely denying it when not even asked. Hey look at me I'm a 240 pounds ripped natural. ::)
If Lee went down in weight after a show and I'm not talking about his rebound right after when he went to 260 I'm talking about coming off drugs and the intense lifting then yes he would likely consume a lot less calories when he was in the "off" season. So when he was back on and into his Olympia training he would up the calories because he not only was more active but he needed them to get back the muscle he lost while off. Also keep in mind that he most likely dropped his calories as the show got closer. So this may mean that he was coming close again to his off season calorie consumption.
If Lee ate about 4K cals and Phil eats about almost double that then can anyone tell me why he would "need" the extra calories? HINT: they are mostly in the form of carbs.
I never understand why bodybuilders stuff themselves with carbs its not needed, your body use carbs for energy and its stored in your muscles as glycogen for future use so you dont need an excessive amount, you should be taking in lots of protein, vegetables and healthy fats because that is what the body uses to repair itself.
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If Lee ate about 4K cals and Phil eats about almost double that then can anyone tell me why he would "need" the extra calories? HINT: they are mostly in the form of carbs.
Personally, I think Phildo just needs to feed his monster of an ego. It's the biggest thing on that manlet.
Including his arms.
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I never understand why bodybuilders stuff themselves with carbs its not needed
Carbs are enjoyable
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I know plenty of guys who use 10 ius of slin per meal at 6 meals a day and that's about average. That's gonna come to about 3k extra minimum in carb cals.
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Carbs are enjoyable
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That is because wheat is addictive, back in the 1970s when they genetically modified wheat in the usa to make more money they modified a protein in there called gliadin which fucks with your brain make you hungry and hooked on carbs, that is what gives you the desire for cakes, pizza burgers etc now when you combined that with the addictive refined sugar its no wonder america has an obesity crisis.
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no.
I dont have anyone I share personal things with , apart from my partner.
alright, and thanks for the honest answer
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That is because wheat is addictive, back in the 1970s when they genetically modified wheat in the usa to make more money they modified a protein in there called gliadin which fucks with your brain make you hungry and hooked on carbs, that is what gives you the desire for cakes, pizza burgers etc
Pretty sure gluttony predates genetically modified gliadins.
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That is because wheat is addictive, back in the 1970s when they genetically modified wheat in the usa to make more money they modified a protein in there called gliadin which fucks with your brain make you hungry and hooked on carbs, that is what gives you the desire for cakes, pizza burgers etc now when you combined that with the addictive refined sugar its no wonder america has an obesity crisis.
One of the reasons why I don't agree with the "calorie is a calorie" people. It's just too hard to diet on high carb.
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I never understand why bodybuilders stuff themselves with carbs its not needed, your body use carbs for energy and its stored in your muscles as glycogen for future use so you dont need an excessive amount, you should be taking in lots of protein, vegetables and healthy fats because that is what the body uses to repair itself.
If you read Disgusteds post above yours you should be able to work it out you dumb fucker.
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One of the reasons why I don't agree with the "calorie is a calorie" people. It's just too hard to diet on high carb.
Dieting on high carbs wont work unless you have a fast metabolism if not you will hold a lot of water and look smooth and bloated, your diet should consist of high protein and vegetables medium healthy fats and carbs and some saturated fats and if your metabolism is very slow then low carbs, I personally would avoid wheat as a carbs source and use instead potatoes,yam, brown rice old fashion oats and quinoa.
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Dieting on high carbs wont work unless you have a fast metabolism if not you will hold a lot of water and look smooth and bloated, your diet should consist of high protein and vegetables medium healthy fats and carbs and some saturated fats and if your metabolism is very slow then low carbs, I personally would avoid wheat as a carbs source and use instead potatoes,yam, brown rice old fashion oats and quinoa.
highest metabolism and slowest metabolism will vary by around 600 calories.
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anyone weight 230lb lean tissue and eating over 5000 cals is going to get fat real quick, unless they are doing lots of cardio.
the body cant process food that fast, you would just get fat and have huge shits.
This^^^Sure the amounts of HGH they take daily has changed the game quite a bit on the amount of cals they can now take in compared to the 70's,80's and even 90's but they are not eating 5000+cals leading up to a show. It's 3000 to 4500. And it's only that much because of the amount of HGH/Slin they use. Drop those two things out of their daily activity and they are dieting no different than the guys from the 70's-80's. Which is anything from 1000-2500cals.
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im not gonna read 4 pages but i have this to say
lee haney is a good man, he's a honest man and he's a godfearing man.
i have nothing but praise and admiration for him.
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im not gonna read 4 pages but i have this to say
lee haney is a good man, he's a honest man and he's a godfearing man.
i have nothing but praise and admiration for him.
I have read all four pages but I have this to say -Lee Haney is just a man, he's a liar and if he lived his "faith" he would never have taken the drugs. And on top of that who cares what deity he may or may not fear.
I have nothing but don't-give-an-intercourse-for-him.
Here to provide the balance that is the truth. He was as much a worthless, lying, druggie as any other Mr. Olympia.
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do not be jealous
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highest metabolism and slowest metabolism will vary by around 600 calories.
Sounds like you pulled that number out of your butthole which jacking off to bob paris posing, calories is not that important what is important is the amount of carbs you stuff into your body, too much and your body stores it as fat, its better to lower the carbs and take in protein, vegetables and healthy fats, remember that when you go to the gym you damage your muscle and the body needs protein vitamins and minerals to repair, carbs dont build muscle it just gives you energy.
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Sounds like you pulled that number out of your butthole which jacking off to bob paris posing, calories is not that important what is important is the amount of carbs you stuff into your body, too much and your body stores it as fat, its better to lower the carbs and take in protein, vegetables and healthy fats, remember that when you go to the gym you damage your muscle and the body needs protein vitamins and minerals to repair, carbs dont build muscle it just gives you energy.
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too much of anything and your body stores it as fat.
By the way, I thought it was you trolling us?
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Lee haney completed at 245 and weighed 260 in the off season so he kept very close to his contest weight and was always in shape, these days you have bodybuilders who complete at 250 and weighs 300 pounds in the off season, I think in this age there is an obsession with 300 pounds, I have gotten obsessed with that weight myself and I am stuffing myself with food to get there you can call it bigorexia I guess.
Haney competed in his 250's several times (259 being his highest Mr. O bodyweight in 1991 I believe) and his offseason weight was 260-265 pounds, so yes, he didn't stray very far at all from his competition weight.
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Haney competed in his 250's several times (259 being his highest Mr. O bodyweight in 1991 I believe) and his offseason weight was 260-265 pounds, so yes, he didn't stray very far at all from his competition weight.
He was 249lbs in 1991. He did compete in 1989 at 257lbs and admittedly was to big and his condition suffered for it
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Dieting on high carbs wont work unless you have a fast metabolism if not you will hold a lot of water and look smooth and bloated, your diet should consist of high protein and vegetables medium healthy fats and carbs and some saturated fats and if your metabolism is very slow then low carbs, I personally would avoid wheat as a carbs source and use instead potatoes,yam, brown rice old fashion oats and quinoa.
Oh I know. It's more than caloric restriction if you want good body composition.
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He was 249lbs in 1991. He did compete in 1989 at 257lbs and admittedly was to big and his condition suffered for it
I wasn't sure which year it was that he came in close to 260 pounds. Thanks for clarifying ;-)
Interesting to note that he was a mere 230 pounds at his first Mr. O in 1983.
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I wasn't sure which year it was that he came in close to 260 pounds. Thanks for clarifying ;-)
Interesting to note that he was a mere 230 pounds at his first Mr. O in 1983.
And then his first win he was 240lbs
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i ate 800 calories per day for 2 weeks straight and my bodyfat went down from 12% to 7.5% and i lost 7.5 pounds of fat and only 1.5 pounds of muscle in this 2 week period and this was without gear
That is amazing and I commend your effort. What method did you use to determine body fat?
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That is amazing and I commend your effort. What method did you use to determine body fat?
thanks man
it was determined by using the jackson pollock 3 site skinfold method
the guy who took my folds always got me fatter than others who did it coz he did it aggressively by takng deep folds (no homo 😆)