Lee Haney had the right approach!

[Tha Grim Lifter]

He just jacked up the doseage come pre contest. Obviously didn't want to push it too hard all year which is why he wasn't so heavy. Once Arnie was the best he weighed like 180 year round.

[dj181]

Exactly the term for that is malnourishment, which will also lead to terrible imbalances in your hormonal environment, which will then lead you to binge, then crash diet, pretty much leaving you with an eating disorder and a dependency on steroids to help your hormones operate normally.

yep, but if you only do it for 2 weeks youll be ok

genetics determine health bro, and diet has less than 10% influnce on it imho

the TRUMP ACE is genetics

just like you inhertited top notch genetics for facial beatuty stud (no homo of course  )

[Go 4 It]

He just jacked up the doseage come pre contest. Obviously didn't want to push it too hard all year which is why he wasn't so heavy. Once Arnie was the best he weighed like 180 year round.

Which seems like the right approach, why pros started doing the opposite, I'm not sure.

yep, but if you only do it for 2 weeks youll be ok

genetics determine health bro, and diet has less than 10% influnce on it imho

the TRUMP ACE is genetics

just like you inhertited top notch genetics for facial beatuty stud (no homo of course  )

I wouldn't want to eat 800 calories for 2 days let alone 2 weeks, do you understand that is the caloric consumption of a 55 pound person, anyone who has "good genetics" would never have to restrict calories to that level.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I knew of a guy who was a light heavy who turned pro. He ate just 3 cans of tuna a day for month leading up to national level contest(which he won)...Said he did a lot of meth the last 4 weeks of the show. Came in absolutely fucking shredded...Never amounted to anything as a pro because he was a drug addict/partier.lol

[Griffith]

yep, but if you only do it for 2 weeks youll be ok

genetics determine health bro, and diet has less than 10% influnce on it imho

the TRUMP ACE is genetics

just like you inhertited top notch genetics for facial beatuty stud (no homo of course  )

Yes, the body wants to heal itself and will correct.

Some people fast too, eating barely anything for a few days. Some claim health benefits from it too.

[dj181]

I knew of a guy who was a light heavy who turned pro. He ate just 3 cans of tuna a day for month leading up to national level contest(which he won)...Said he did a lot of meth the last 4 weeks of the show. Came in absolutely fucking shredded...Never amounted to anything as a pro because he was a drug addict/partier.lol

theres a thread about very low cal comsumption on the roid board, its a verg good read actually

youre an interesting dude with lots of insight into the joo race, but what can you say about my ancestors, i.e. the WASP's? they basically conquered and ruled this whole goddamn planet and still do imho with a little joo interwinment as well

Yes, the body wants to heal itself and will correct.

Some people fast too, eating barely anything for a few days. Some claim health benefits from it too.

undereating supposedly increases lifespan as it lessens free radical cellular damage in the body

[Simple Simon]

Lee haney completed at 245 and weighed 260 in the off season so he kept very close to his contest weight and was always in shape, these days you have bodybuilders who complete at 250 and weighs 300 pounds in the off season, I think in this age there is an obsession with 300 pounds, I have gotten obsessed with that weight myself and I am stuffing myself with food to get there you can call it bullshit I guess.

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[Simple Simon]

Well Phil Heath, competes at around 250 and states his offseason diet is anywhere between 5,000-8,000 cal depending on the day, compare that to Haney's 3,500 cals offseason, just to put some thing in perspective here.

they all lie about the calories they eat...

[Go 4 It]

they all lie about the calories they eat...

Are you guys really that parinoid?? Why would they lie about food?  To trick fellow competitors?? Young kids?? What benefit are they getting from this? If they really wanted to lie, wouldn't they say they eat a bunch of stuff they dont really eat? And completely underestimate their calories. .not over estimate? 

[Simple Simon]

Are you guys really that parinoid?? Why would they lie about food?  To trick fellow competitors?? Young kids?? What benefit are they getting from this? If they really wanted to lie, wouldn't they say they eat a bunch of stuff they dont really eat? And completely underestimate their calories. .not over estimate? 

sorry, Im talking about the ones who come up with the huge calorie quotes.
The human digestive system couldnt cope with that amount of food on a regular basis.

I think the 4500 for a pro bodybuilder is about right.

[Go 4 It]

sorry, Im talking about the ones who come up with the huge calorie quotes.
The human digestive system couldnt cope with that amount of food on a regular basis.

I think the 4500 for a pro bodybuilder is about right.

Ok heres an example, im a top tier pro, everyone of my competition is listening and reading my strategies for dieting, and im scared they will discover my formula and use it themselves and beat me..i would lie like this
Meal 1: 2 Greek yogurts, 2 scoops of raw honey, 1 cup granola
2: pre workout: 1 chocolate milk, 2 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter
Meal 3: same as meal 2, just no peanut butter (anabolic window want quick carbs no fat),  add 1 scoop whey isolate
Meal 4: 4oz ground beef, pasta
Meal 5: 4oz ground turkey, 1 cup black beans, .5cup wild rice
Meal6: 12 oz of kefir (to aid digestion) half cup cottage cheese (caesien slow digesting) mix with 1 scoop peanut butter

Now in reality i consume no dairy, no beans, and no peanut butter, however this sounds like it can be believable right..thats what i call trolling. Not saying i eat 5,000 cal of lean meat, complex carbs, and greens.

[Simple Simon]

Ok heres an example, im a top tier pro, everyone of my competition is listening and reading my strategies for dieting, and im scared they will discover my formula and use it themselves and beat me..i would lie like this
Meal 1: 2 Greek yogurts, 2 scoops of raw honey, 1 cup granola
2: pre workout: 1 chocolate milk, 2 banana, 2 scoop peanut butter
Meal 3: same as meal 2, just no peanut butter (anabolic window want quick carbs no fat),  add 1 scoop whey isolate
Meal 4: 4oz ground beef, pasta
Meal 5: 4oz ground turkey, 1 cup black beans, .5cup wild rice
Meal6: 12 oz of kefir (to aid digestion) half cup cottage cheese (caesien slow digesting) mix with 1 scoop peanut butter

Now in reality i consume no dairy, no beans, and no peanut butter, however this sounds like it can be believable right..thats what i call trolling. Not saying i eat 5,000 cal of lean meat, complex carbs, and greens.

anyone weight 230lb lean tissue and eating over 5000 cals is going to get fat real quick, unless they are doing lots of cardio.
the body cant process food that fast, you would just get fat and have huge shits.

[dj181]

anyone weight 230lb lean tissue and eating over 5000 cals is going to get fat real quick, unless they are doing lots of cardio.
the body cant process food that fast, you would just get fat and have huge shits.

i ate a legit 5000 cals for 10 straight weeks and i went from a buck 46 to a buck 90 and bf went from 7.5 to 19.7 no gear was used

[The Scott]

Are you guys really that parinoid?? Why would they lie about food?  To trick fellow competitors?? Young kids?? What benefit are they getting from this? If they really wanted to lie, wouldn't they say they eat a bunch of stuff they dont really eat? And completely underestimate their calories. .not over estimate? 

Yeah...Pretty  much that's it in a nutshell.  They lie. About everything.   Nothing to do with those of us that realize they're liars being paranoid, it's the bodydopers who are paranoid.

They're looking for the edge. An advantage over their dental floss wearing competitors.   It can be real or imagined, so long as someone believes their tripe.  

[8 INCH not biceps]

we all know if your running enough gear you can eat what you want and get lean, i wouldnt never listen to haney , yates, or any of these current pros advice for dieting you will just end up a fat slob

I agree that is why pro bodybuilders dont diet for competitions they eat mcdonalds and burger king right up to the competition time and go on stage shredded.

[Go 4 It]

I agree that is why pro bodybuilders dont diet for competitions they eat mcdonalds and burger king right up to the competition time and go on stage shredded.

I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever competed on a national or pro level? Worked with coaches who are pros or coaches who train world champions?

[FREAKgeek]

Stimulate, don't annihilate!

[Go 4 It]

i ate a legit 5000 cals for 10 straight weeks and i went from a buck 46 to a buck 90 and bf went from 7.5 to 19.7 no gear was used

What were you expecting to happen? You're eating like someone who is enhanced, yet you weren't enhanced? Not to mention at a weight of 146, the highest you should go caloric wise would be around 3,000..20xbw.

[dj181]

What were you expecting to happen? You're eating like someone who is enhanced, yet you weren't enhanced? Not to mention at a weight of 146, the highest you should go caloric wise would be around 3,000..20xbw.

my trainer/coacb at the time ordered me to do it

according to him you need to gain 2 or 3 pounds of fat for every pound of lean muscle tissue added

[Simple Simon]

I agree that is why pro bodybuilders dont diet for competitions they eat mcdonalds and burger king right up to the competition time and go on stage shredded.

they eat in a calorific deficit, thats all that matters.

[Simple Simon]

my trainer/coacb at the time ordered me to do it

according to him you need to gain 2 or 3 pounds of fat for every pound of lean muscle tissue added

hahaha,, fucking knob head.

[ChristopherA]

I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever competed on a national or pro level? Worked with coaches who are pros or coaches who train world champions?

X2. I love people who have never taken juice saying if you take enuff you can eat whatever you want and get shredded. No, you still have to diet dumbass.

[Simple Simon]

I seriously hope you dont believe this, have you ever been out of your mums basement?

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[oldschoolfan]

X2. I love people who have never taken juice saying if you take enuff you can eat whatever you want and get shredded. No, you still have to diet dumbass.

hey christopher bro,  i have actually heard this from some reputable people  that the amount of drugs pros run they can stay pretty lean , eating anything, im not saying they can win  a show of course. but the drugs help alot

[Simple Simon]

hey christopher bro,  i have actually heard this from some reputable people  that the amount of drugs pros run they can stay pretty lean , eating anything, im not saying they can win  a show of course. but the drugs help alot

its because drugs give you a higher LBM and as such a higher resting BMR, still if you overeat you get fat just the same.