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https://www.instagram.com/p/BOfYM66AB7b/?taken-by=philheath&hl=en
Says here he went on a 3 week vegan cleanse. I'm not sure the purpose of a vegan cleanse, but sounds like something a bodybuilder would do after suffering health/colon/digestive illness
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"So @hanyrambod been on my ass to gain weight after my 21 day vegan cleanse I finished a week ago." - Phil
Is Phil the science project of Hany Rambod? Let the man clean out if he wants!
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Vegan cleanse is for clearing up undigested meat in the intestines.
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"Cleanses"...what a complete marketing scam....lol
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i'd say his nose is a fucking problem, look at that thing.. responds a little too well to hgh.
Heath also looks like a fat guy in clothes:
(https://instagram.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14733345_1780888535462232_5804406025733799936_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM3ODU3Mjk2MDA3MTE5Njg0NA%3D%3D.2)
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Vegan cleanse is for clearing up undigested meat in the intestines.
No no no. Vegan Cleanse is just for moving money from stupid person to clever business man. It is all just bullshit for idiots who are willing to pay for it, it has no scientifically grounded therapeutic justification what so ever. Here is a poor man version for you, poor man: buy a can of canned corn, mix it up with two cups of olive oil and eat it after the fasting of 24 hours. After eating it, go to jogging for hour or two and afterwards, look what comes out. No undigested meat, no chicken bones, just corm.. :)
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i'd say his nose is a fucking problem, look at that thing.. responds a little too well to hgh.
Heath also looks like a fat guy in clothes:
(https://instagram.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14733345_1780888535462232_5804406025733799936_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM3ODU3Mjk2MDA3MTE5Njg0NA%3D%3D.2)
looks like fat midget with clothes.
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Yeah seriously, scroll down only halfway and that pic looks like he is an obese 40-something hebrew.
And epic gold-digger euro girl.
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Fucker should stop jockin my style with the beard
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''Just keep that guy away from my cocaine''
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Yeah seriously, scroll down only halfway and that pic looks like he is an obese 40-something hebrew.
And epic gold-digger euro girl.
what i see is a millionaire with a dime piece on his 22" arms
it's all about perception right
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Vegan cleanse is for clearing up undigested meat in the intestines.
There is no scientific basis for the idea of undigested meat in the intestines. It's moronic bro science with a touch of assplay.
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No no no. Vegan Cleanse is just for moving money from stupid person to clever business man. It is all just bullshit for idiots who are willing to pay for it, it has no scientifically grounded therapeutic justification what so ever. Here is a poor man version for you, poor man: buy a can of canned corn, mix it up with two cups of olive oil and eat it after the fasting of 24 hours. After eating it, go to jogging for hour or two and afterwards, look what comes out. No undigested meat, no chicken bones, just corm.. :)
You are an uneducated moron, cleansing the body is one of the most important things you can do, with the amount of food a bodybuilder has to eat plus all the drugs puts a lot of stress on the body, taking a break from the roids and cleaning out your body with high fiber natural food and herbs plus Intermittent fasting is one of the best thing you can do for your health, after you do this you will see that you absorb food better less bloating you feel better and you will start to grow, any bodybuilder who is in a rut should try this also.
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"Cleanses"...what a complete marketing scam....lol
We can agree on this
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You are an uneducated moron, cleansing the body is one of the most important things you can do, with the amount of food a bodybuilder has to eat plus all the drugs puts a lot of stress on the body, taking a break from the roids and cleaning out your body with high fiber natural food and herbs plus Intermittent fasting is one of the best thing you can do for your health, after you do this you will see that you absorb food better less bloating you feel better and you will start to grow, any bodybuilder who is in a rut should try this also.
when did you last cleanse and what was your protocol?
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The question for every one on this board is ....
If Phil indeed has health problem and needs to lay off the juice, but knowing he is so close of breaking the Olympia record and with the lame competition he has, do you really think he will retire and be happy with 6 sandows?
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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You are an uneducated moron, cleansing the body is one of the most important things you can do, with the amount of food a bodybuilder has to eat plus all the drugs puts a lot of stress on the body, taking a break from the roids and cleaning out your body with high fiber natural food and herbs plus Intermittent fasting is one of the best thing you can do for your health, after you do this you will see that you absorb food better less bloating you feel better and you will start to grow, any bodybuilder who is in a rut should try this also.
Do you clean the semen of your annus regularly?
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You are an uneducated moron, cleansing the body is one of the most important things you can do, with the amount of food a bodybuilder has to eat plus all the drugs puts a lot of stress on the body, taking a break from the roids and cleaning out your body with high fiber natural food and herbs plus Intermittent fasting is one of the best thing you can do for your health, after you do this you will see that you absorb food better less bloating you feel better and you will start to grow, any bodybuilder who is in a rut should try this also.
have you posted a picture of yourself, or you are just another no lifer 24/7 writing stupid shit on getbig?
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i'd say his nose is a fucking problem, look at that thing.. responds a little too well to hgh.
Heath also looks like a fat guy in clothes:
(https://instagram.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14733345_1780888535462232_5804406025733799936_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM3ODU3Mjk2MDA3MTE5Njg0NA%3D%3D.2)
Sort of a repost - I can't find my original
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Vegans gonna Vegate.
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when did you last cleanse and what was your protocol?
Early in the year when I decided to go on low carbs I did a detox to clean up my body because I was eating dirty foods at the time, i start with fasting out of the 24 hours I had all my meals in 8 hours and went 16 hours without food so my body can heal itself, for my diet i had beetroots with kale, spinach and garlic with olive oil, fruits like grapefruit, orange, lemon and drink plenty of green tea, my meals consist of chia seed, quinoa, got my protein from hemp powder,
phil heath is smart to do this when he gets back on the juice and starts eating normal again his body will absorb it a lot better.
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Vegan cleanse is for clearing up undigested meat in the intestines.
christ you're dumb as fuck
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Sounds like something a porn star would do before shooting an extensive anal scene...
Getting ready to pay his dues.
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Sounds like something a porn star would do before shooting an extensive anal scene...
Getting ready to pay his dues.
lol, i believe he is paying his dues since he met jay who introduced him to the rich schmoes running the tong wars.
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i'd say his nose is a fucking problem, look at that thing.. responds a little too well to hgh.
Heath also looks like a fat guy in clothes:
(https://instagram.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/14733345_1780888535462232_5804406025733799936_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTM3ODU3Mjk2MDA3MTE5Njg0NA%3D%3D.2)
Thought Sug Knight was dead/in prison
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Early in the year when I decided to go on low carbs I did a detox to clean up my body because I was eating dirty foods at the time, i start with fasting out of the 24 hours I had all my meals in 8 hours and went 16 hours without food so my body can heal itself, for my diet i had beetroots with kale, spinach and garlic with olive oil, fruits like grapefruit, orange, lemon and drink plenty of green tea, my meals consist of chia seed, quinoa, got my protein from hemp powder,
phil heath is smart to do this when he gets back on the juice and starts eating normal again his body will absorb it a lot better.
16 hours, fuck my life, people who skip breakfast go 16 hours without food you fucking dumbo
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Vegan cleanse is for clearing up undigested meat in the intestines.
LMAO meat doesn't just chill undigested in your intestines. No food does. Not even that myth that gum takes 7 years to pass, that's just retarded. Your body doesn't need "detoxification" because we have amazing regulatory systems in place we've developed over thousands of years of evolution.
"Detox cleanse" is equivalent to flushing your money down the toilet. If you have enough money to do that and don't mind losing a few bucks, then by all means.
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16 hours, fuck my life, people who skip breakfast go 16 hours without food you fucking dumbo
In your own retarded way you are agreeing with me, that would be the idea skip breakfast and eat lunch and dinner is a perfect way to fast.
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In your own retarded way you are agreeing with me, that would be the idea skip breakfast and eat lunch and dinner is a perfect way to fast.
but you made it sound like you were doing something to "heal" your body.
I regularly eat nothing for 12 hours, its pretty much my normal routine.
I must be way healthier than you if fasting actually heals the body.
Once again you make stuff up and shot yourself in the foot.
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LMAO meat doesn't just chill undigested in your intestines. No food does. Not even that myth that gum takes 7 years to pass, that's just retarded. Your body doesn't need "detoxification" because we have amazing regulatory systems in place we've developed over thousands of years of evolution.
"Detox cleanse" is equivalent to flushing your money down the toilet. If you have enough money to do that and don't mind losing a few bucks, then by all means.
I only stated why bodybuilders did a vegan cleanse. I didn't say that I endorsed it or recommended it.
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but you made it sound like you were doing something to "heal" your body.
I regularly eat nothing for 12 hours, its pretty much my normal routine.
I must be way healthier than you if fasting actually heals the body.
Once again you make stuff up and shot yourself in the foot.
yes fasting does help but if you are eating junk all year round then fasting is not enough, the body is very tough if you help it out by detoxing and eating healthy most of the time you can get away with eating garbage every now and then, and bodybuilders on steroids have to pay attention to healthy foods more than the average dude because those roids have side effects in the body.
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yes fasting does help but if you are eating junk all year round then fasting is not enough, the body is very tough if you help it out by detoxing and eating healthy most of the time you can get away with eating garbage every now and then, and bodybuilders on steroids have to pay attention to healthy foods more than the average dude because those roids have side effects in the body.
No such thing as junk food.
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Do you clean the semen of your annus regularly?
Is this the real JohnnyaFalcon?
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Is this the real JohnnyaFalcon?
marty Champions you need mate
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I do Palumbo's detox protocol, once or twice a year, I think it's beneficial to include this..you can email Dave and he will send you the protocol.
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I do Palumbo's detox protocol, once or twice a year, I think it's beneficial to include this..you can email Dave and he will send you the protocol.
he said hes busy and can you not post it?
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he said hes busy and can you not post it?
I have it saved somewhere, but the jist of it is you fast 12 hours, you eliminate foods like Coffee, Dairy, Red Meat, Wheat, Eggs, Protein Shakes, sugary fruits, alcohol. 3 weeks, theres a list of vitamins and priobiotics he gives you as well as including stuff like apple cider vinegar like 5 times a day. I honestly think anybody training hard should incorporate this, hell it's actually a diet that you can maintain year round if you really wanted.
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No such thing as junk food.
Really take a look at the chemicals and processed crap in a macdonald burger
Hamburger bread
Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil and/or Canola Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Salt, Wheat Gluten, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Ammonium Sulfate, Ammonium Chloride, Dough Conditioners (May Contain One or More of: Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, DATEM, Ascorbic Acid, Azodicarbonamide, Mono and Diglycerides, Ethoxylated Monoglycerides, Monocalcium Phosphate, Enzymes, Guar Gum, Calcium Peroxide), Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Calcium Propionate and/or Sodium Propionate (Preservatives), Soy Lecithin.
The cheese
Milk, Cream, Water, Cheese Culture, Sodium Citrate, Contains 2% or Less of: Salt, Citric Acid, Sodium Phosphate, Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Lactic Acid, Acetic Acid, Enzymes, Sodium Pyrophosphate, Natural Flavor (Dairy Source), Color Added, Soy Lecithin (Added for Slice Separation).
Ketchup.
Tomato Concentrate from Red Ripe Tomatoes, Distilled Vinegar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Natural Flavors (Plant Source).
Beef
Full of hormones and probiotics that they inject in the cows to get them fat and make them grow faster then they get sick and the probiotics takes care of that.
If you put down a mcdonald's burger it does not decay and ants and bugs dont eat it because of all the unnatural chemicals in it.
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Really take a look at the chemicals and processed crap in a macdonald burger
Hamburger bread
Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil and/or Canola Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Salt, Wheat Gluten, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Ammonium Sulfate, Ammonium Chloride, Dough Conditioners (May Contain One or More of: Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, DATEM, Ascorbic Acid, Azodicarbonamide, Mono and Diglycerides, Ethoxylated Monoglycerides, Monocalcium Phosphate, Enzymes, Guar Gum, Calcium Peroxide), Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Calcium Propionate and/or Sodium Propionate (Preservatives), Soy Lecithin.
The cheese
Milk, Cream, Water, Cheese Culture, Sodium Citrate, Contains 2% or Less of: Salt, Citric Acid, Sodium Phosphate, Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Lactic Acid, Acetic Acid, Enzymes, Sodium Pyrophosphate, Natural Flavor (Dairy Source), Color Added, Soy Lecithin (Added for Slice Separation).
Ketchup.
Tomato Concentrate from Red Ripe Tomatoes, Distilled Vinegar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Natural Flavors (Plant Source).
Beef
Full of hormones and probiotics that they inject in the cows to get them fat and make them grow faster then they get sick and the probiotics takes care of that.
If you put down a mcdonald's burger it does not decay and ants and bugs dont eat it because of all the unnatural chemicals in it.
in moderation none of it will do you any harm.
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Just curious your thoughts I think he has enough money to skate by a lot of them. I could also see him dying before 50 also. Other than a shit load of steroids gh, insulin,igfi don't even know what he could be on I never thought he was so great
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One thing to consider is that he only competes once each year. I think the last time he competed more than once in a year was in 2011...that most likely helps his body a lot. He basically needs to go on one cutting diet a year. So he most likely doesn't have the receptor burnout that other bodybuilders may have. And I don't mean to use that term in the sense that his cycles would be less efficient - I mean that in health terms; he has not taxed his body to the extent that most top pros have, and ultimately, I believe that has likely helped preserve his organ integrity - again, with respect to other pros roughly at his level.
My hope for Phil is that he wins two more Mr. Olympia contests, then retires at #9. Everyone understands the need to beat the record held jointly by Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman, but if he goes for #10, judges may perceive that as a little greedy, and if he is even a wee bit off, they may give it to the next closest competitor.
Also, if Phil goes for #10, he would win it just shy of his 41st birthday, which is doable given that Ronnie won #8 at the age of 41. But if Phil stops at #9, he will retire in 2019, just shy of his 40th birthday.
Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"? I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday. I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels. If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.
Ronnie is 53, so I would say Phil can live at least that long. If he is smart and puts bodybuilding in the rear view, I can see him reversing some of the long-term damage that he has likely done by competing at the level he has competed at.
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Phildo hasn't raised the bar at all with that joke of a physique of his. He just continues to limbo under it. He best represents the age of the bloated belly where packing on more and more "muscle" is all it takes to be Mr. Olympia. Kai fucked grapefruit but Phil screwed his own cancer ridden first wife. That pretty much sums up Phil Heath.
He gets to be number 1 by looking like and behaving as a bowl full of number 2. Hopefully he gets flushed soon. Real soon. He deserves to go the way of Ronnie Coleman.
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Looked legit awesome early on.
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He responds well genetically to hormones not only in a physique sense but in a health sense as well. I'd say he lives till 75.
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Looked legit awesome early on.
He should have stopped here.
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He should have stopped here.
Using the Shawn Ray approach, and stopping there, at around 222-lb at maybe 5'9.4" or thereabouts, he would have been able to win pro shows, and even make the top 10 at the Olympia and top six at the Arnold, if not better. But he would have never gone on to win seven Sandow trophies...so I guess it depends what his goals were. I think his goals were winning the Mr. Olympia as many times as possible, so I don't think Phil had any intention to stop.
Also, as amazing as he looks there - and he did look amazing - if you saw his back, you would see that he was not on the same level as Jay or Ronnie at the time. He needed to bring up his back, and he did.
At the end of the day, that physique would not have made him as much cash as his current physique.
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Looked legit awesome early on.
That’s pretty much all bbers early on
Ronnie, branch, Markus, Nasser, jay, flex, and so on
All that insulin, gh, igf really takes it’s toll, facial changes
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One thing to consider is that he only competes once each year. I think the last time he competed more than once in a year was in 2011...that most likely helps his body a lot. He basically needs to go on one cutting diet a year. So he most likely doesn't have the receptor burnout that other bodybuilders may have. And I don't mean to use that term in the sense that his cycles would be less efficient - I mean that in health terms; he has not taxed his body to the extent that most top pros have, and ultimately, I believe that has likely helped preserve his organ integrity - again, with respect to other pros roughly at his level.
My hope for Phil is that he wins two more Mr. Olympia contests, then retires at #9. Everyone understands the need to beat the record held jointly by Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman, but if he goes for #10, judges may perceive that as a little greedy, and if he is even a wee bit off, they may give it to the next closest competitor.
Also, if Phil goes for #10, he would win it just shy of his 41st birthday, which is doable given that Ronnie won #8 at the age of 41. But if Phil stops at #9, he will retire in 2019, just shy of his 40th birthday.
Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"? I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday. I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels. If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.
Ronnie is 53, so I would say Phil can live at least that long. If he is smart and puts bodybuilding in the rear view, I can see him reversing some of the long-term damage that he has likely done by competing at the level he has competed at.
why do you put so much effort into speculation?
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why do you put so much effort into speculation?
What's wrong with being rich on detail? I can tell you that Phil himself read my posts on here years ago, and respected them - not all of them, as I probably called him out for needing to bring up his back, more harshly than I should have. ;D But truth be told, why not learn from the mistakes of others? Ronnie competed for too long, and his goal of ten Mr. Olympias is likely what made the judges finally side with Jay. They wanted to move on to another champion...a pro bodybuilder told me in 2010 that Jay was going to be given a win that day, but the judges were not interested in letting him win the next year, so 2010 was going to be Jay's last year. What happened? He decided to compete again in 2011, and the torch was passed to Phil.
I think for a host of reasons, both health-wise, and legacy-wise, Phil should stop at #9. He then has a chance to start reversing some of the problems he may have caused by taxing his central nervous system for so many years due to the demands of pro bodybuilding.
I speak a lot, rich in detail, as does Nick from "Nick's Strength & Power" - and there is a time and a place for rich, detail-oriented posts. I happen to like them, as do many other people. There is a reason I had the audience I did over the years - people do read what I write.
With that said, I would likely have removed this bit from my post:
Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"? I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday. I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels. If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.
Even though I liked the comparison, it wasn't directly related to Phil's career trajectory, whereas the rest of my post was. It was relevant, on-point, but long. But this bit involving Dave Pulcinella...not relevant, and perhaps a wee bit too esoteric for the purposes of this thread.
Ron should add an IGNORE function on this board so that people can just ignore users. As for me, if people don't like my posts or think they are too long - they should just scroll past them. No one is forcing to read them, right? So I don't see the issue.
Ultimately, when one pro after another says that they read my posts and watch my videos and respect them, that matters more to me than the insults of people who hide behind screen names [and no, I am not speaking about yourself - but other people].
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Using the Shawn Ray approach, and stopping there, at around 222-lb at maybe 5'9.4" or thereabouts, he would have been able to win pro shows, and even make the top 10 at the Olympia and top six at the Arnold, if not better. But he would have never gone on to win seven Sandow trophies...so I guess it depends what his goals were. I think his goals were winning the Mr. Olympia as many times as possible, so I don't think Phil had any intention to stop.
Also, as amazing as he looks there - and he did look amazing - if you saw his back, you would see that he was not on the same level as Jay or Ronnie at the time. He needed to bring up his back, and he did.
At the end of the day, that physique would not have made him as much cash as his current physique.
I understand and that's the fault of the judges. Which is why Classic Physique will eventually overtake the open because we respect physiques like Phil at 222 vs. Phil at supposedly 250 and a blown out gut and no V-taper. Phil's just doing what he has to to win and I understand just like Jay who stated he never wanted to be that big, he just wanted to win. Well the nonsense has to come to an end sooner or later and now seems a good of time as any. Phil's gut is atrocious. He can deny it all day. He has a good eye for detail and he knows he has this gut. These guys end of justifying it with some excuse. Last time he looked great was in 2013 and even then he was too big for his frame.
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I understand and that's the fault of the judges. Which is why Classic Physique will eventually overtake the open because we respect physiques like Phil at 222 vs. Phil at supposedly 250 and a blown out gut and no V-taper. Phil's just doing what he has to to win and I understand just like Jay who stated he never wanted to be that big, he just wanted to win. Well the nonsense has to come to an end sooner or later and now seems a good of time as any. Phil's gut is atrocious. He can deny it all day. He has a good eye for detail and he knows he has this gut. These guys end of justifying it with some excuse. Last time he looked great was in 2013 and even then he was too big for his frame.
Yep - I think we will see this. Even though Classic Physique is not particularly "attainable" for 99.9% of people, there will still be many who are inspired by that type of physique, and who will want to watch such bodybuilders as a result.
I would be curious if the Classic Bodybuilding Division [CBD, like the non-psychoactive version of marijuana ;D] displaces the open division completely...it will be cool to see. But I think there will still be a market for freaks.
At this point, I'm not questioning your prediction of CBD overtaking the open...I'm questioning how quickly that will happen.
Maybe after winning nine Sandows, Phil can slim down to the Classic Bodybuilding class and win nine Sandows in that division. ;D
Speaking of that division, do you know who has been killing it there even as of this very year? Darrem Charles. Cool stuff for a guy who has been competing since 1989!
He has a win this year, and a whopping six wins and five runner up spots, and a 5th place spot at the Mr. Olympia last year in 2016 at the age of 48? I remember when you were going over your list of pros who had great genetics, and it was a good list, but I have to say, it never crossed my mind to ask you what you thought of Darrem - he may not have been the biggest guy, but wow, what a contest history right here:
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?s=darre+charles&g=M
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What's wrong with being rich on detail? I can tell you that Phil himself read my posts on here years ago, and respected them - not all of them, as I probably called him out for needing to bring up his back, more harshly than I should have. ;D But truth be told, why not learn from the mistakes of others? Ronnie competed for too long, and his goal of ten Mr. Olympias is likely what made the judges finally side with Jay. They wanted to move on to another champion...a pro bodybuilder told me in 2010 that Jay was going to be given a win that day, but the judges were not interested in letting him win the next year, so 2010 was going to be Jay's last year. What happened? He decided to compete again in 2011, and the torch was passed to Phil.
I think for a host of reasons, both health-wise, and legacy-wise, Phil should stop at #9. He then has a chance to start reversing some of the problems he may have caused by taxing his central nervous system for so many years due to the demands of pro bodybuilding.
I speak a lot, rich in detail, as does Nick from "Nick's Strength & Power" - and there is a time and a place for rich, detail-oriented posts. I happen to like them, as do many other people. There is a reason I had the audience I did over the years - people do read what I write.
With that said, I would likely have removed this bit from my post:
Even though I liked the comparison, it wasn't directly related to Phil's career trajectory, whereas the rest of my post was. It was relevant, on-point, but long. But this bit involving Dave Pulcinella...not relevant, and perhaps a wee bit too esoteric for the purposes of this thread.
Ron should add an IGNORE function on this board so that people can just ignore users. As for me, if people don't like my posts or think they are too long - they should just scroll past them. No one is forcing to read them, right? So I don't see the issue.
Ultimately, when one pro after another says that they read my posts and watch my videos and respect them, that matters more to me than the insults of people who hide behind screen names [and no, I am not speaking about yourself - but other people].
99% of the people on here don't give a flying fuck about walls of text, they want a few quips and jokes.
And I imagine Phil logs in here everyday to keep up to date with your critiques of him... ::)
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Yep - I think we will see this. Even though Classic Physique is not particularly "attainable" for 99.9% of people, there will still be many who are inspired by that type of physique, and who will want to watch such bodybuilders as a result.
I would be curious if the Classic Bodybuilding Division [CBD, like the non-psychoactive version of marijuana ;D] displaces the open division completely...it will be cool to see. But I think there will still be a market for freaks.
At this point, I'm not questioning your prediction of CBD overtaking the open...I'm questioning how quickly that will happen.
Maybe after winning nine Sandows, Phil can slim down to the Classic Bodybuilding class and win nine Sandows in that division. ;D
Speaking of that division, do you know who has been killing it there even as of this very year? Darrem Charles. Cool stuff for a guy who has been competing since 1989!
He has a win this year, and a whopping six wins and five runner up spots, and a 5th place spot at the Mr. Olympia last year in 2016 at the age of 48? I remember when you were going over your list of pros who had great genetics, and it was a good list, but I have to say, it never crossed my mind to ask you what you thought of Darrem - he may not have been the biggest guy, but wow, what a contest history right here:
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?s=darre+charles&g=M
Darrem has some of the best biceps ever in the sport and is one of the best posers ever. Great chest for a smaller guy as well. And yes, he's been around a very long time. He also said a long time ago he wanted to be around a long time.
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Yep - I think we will see this. Even though Classic Physique is not particularly "attainable" for 99.9% of people, there will still be many who are inspired by that type of physique, and who will want to watch such bodybuilders as a result.
I would be curious if the Classic Bodybuilding Division [CBD, like the non-psychoactive version of marijuana ;D] displaces the open division completely...it will be cool to see. But I think there will still be a market for freaks.
At this point, I'm not questioning your prediction of CBD overtaking the open...I'm questioning how quickly that will happen.
Maybe after winning nine Sandows, Phil can slim down to the Classic Bodybuilding class and win nine Sandows in that division. ;D
Speaking of that division, do you know who has been killing it there even as of this very year? Darrem Charles. Cool stuff for a guy who has been competing since 1989!
He has a win this year, and a whopping six wins and five runner up spots, and a 5th place spot at the Mr. Olympia last year in 2016 at the age of 48? I remember when you were going over your list of pros who had great genetics, and it was a good list, but I have to say, it never crossed my mind to ask you what you thought of Darrem - he may not have been the biggest guy, but wow, what a contest history right here:
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?s=darre+charles&g=M
His arms are TINY compared to his waist and torso
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why do you put so much effort into speculation?
LOL, was just thinking that same thing. :D
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He responds well genetically to hormones not only in a physique sense but in a health sense as well. I'd say he lives till 75.
No fucking way 75.
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99% of the people on here don't give a flying fuck about walls of text, they want a few quips and jokes.
And I imagine Phil logs in here everyday to keep up to date with your critiques of him... ::)
Phil actually does read forums, he walked up to a poster on MD and asked them about something they said about him in a post
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No fucking way 75.
The people who get themselves in trouble are people who do multiple contests a year and are trying to stay shredded year round for guest posing. Phil doesn't stay shredded year round or compete other than the olympia. So his kidneys are in better shape than most pros in my opinion.
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why do you put so much effort into speculation?
because he is insecure
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His arms are TINY compared to his waist and torso
You cannot be serious...
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You cannot be serious...
Ignore the troll. Unconsciously incompetent
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I understand and that's the fault of the judges. Which is why Classic Physique will eventually overtake the open because we respect physiques like Phil at 222 vs. Phil at supposedly 250 and a blown out gut and no V-taper. Phil's just doing what he has to to win and I understand just like Jay who stated he never wanted to be that big, he just wanted to win. Well the nonsense has to come to an end sooner or later and now seems a good of time as any. Phil's gut is atrocious. He can deny it all day. He has a good eye for detail and he knows he has this gut. These guys end of justifying it with some excuse. Last time he looked great was in 2013 and even then he was too big for his frame.
Well said.
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He would have been healthier if he stuck with basketball and played in full court leagues after college. Maybe added a little natural lifting. I bet all the drugs have taken a toll. Curious to see what he looks like when he retires. It won't be pretty. It's funny that some fall apart, some still juice for publicity pictures, and some seem like they take good care of them self. Lee Haney looks in good shape post retirement. Looks like he trains without juice but looks like an athlete.
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I say he narrowly escapes death a few times before he’s toast.
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99% of the people on here don't give a flying fuck about walls of text, they want a few quips and jokes.
And I imagine Phil logs in here everyday to keep up to date with your critiques of him... ::)
Fixed.
Although I don't know if Phil logs in everyday necessarily - or logs in at all. He may just read Getbig once a week for all I know.
Be There, serious question - do you not think that pros read Getbig?
Lol, it's funny for me to ask that, and it is a rhetorical question since I know the answer, but after asking pros that question directly, I was initially shocked by the number of pros who read Getbig...then I no longer found it surprising.
Yes, pros read Getbig. It's not that Phil comes here to specifically read my long posts - but Phil, as well as other pros, have perused Getbig in the past, and I am confident that many still do. That includes your posts and many others. You might be surprised at who reads your posts. I probably read 90% of your posts, and it may be closer to 99%, from start to finish [and yes, it helps that your posts are shorter than mine].
But one thing I have learned is that you may be surprised who is reading what you write. I didn't mean to say that Phil specifically reads my posts - just that he reads Getbig, in the general sense. Could be daily, could be from time to time only. Or maybe he got fed up with it and decided to stop reading it completely. I have to admit, even when I left Getbig, I read it every day. ;D
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I say he narrowly escapes death a few times before he’s toast.
yeah it will be better that way so we can kick him why he's down a few good times
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You cannot be serious...
Those tris are nonexistent
All pecs bis and a 36 inch ripped waist
Waist should measure 30 inches TOPS
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He’s beyond worthless
He has killed bodybuilding
Narrower by the day
More effeminate as the days roll by
Yes let’s honor a drug addict who abandoned his step son and used his ex wife’s cancer to progress his career
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He’s beyond worthless
He has killed bodybuilding
Narrower by the day
More effeminate as the days roll by
Yes let’s honor a drug addict who abandoned his step son and used his ex wife’s cancer to progress his career
;D
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He’s beyond worthless
He has killed bodybuilding
Narrower by the day
More effeminate as the days roll by
Yes let’s honor a drug addict who abandoned his step son and used his ex wife’s cancer to progress his career
Haha! Mean Gene strikes again!
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Fixed.
Although I don't know if Phil logs in everyday necessarily - or logs in at all. He may just read Getbig once a week for all I know.
Be There, serious question - do you not think that pros read Getbig?
Lol, it's funny for me to ask that, and it is a rhetorical question since I know the answer, but after asking pros that question directly, I was initially shocked by the number of pros who read Getbig...then I no longer found it surprising.
Yes, pros read Getbig. It's not that Phil comes here to specifically read my long posts - but Phil, as well as other pros, have perused Getbig in the past, and I am confident that many still do. That includes your posts and many others. You might be surprised at who reads your posts. I probably read 90% of your posts, and it may be closer to 99%, from start to finish [and yes, it helps that your posts are shorter than mine].
But one thing I have learned is that you may be surprised who is reading what you write. I didn't mean to say that Phil specifically reads my posts - just that he reads Getbig, in the general sense. Could be daily, could be from time to time only. Or maybe he got fed up with it and decided to stop reading it completely. I have to admit, even when I left Getbig, I read it every day. ;D
Could it be that maybe , that maybe , could be maybe that could be that maybe that could be that maybe that probably might ......
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Could it be that maybe , that maybe , could be maybe that could be that maybe that could be that maybe that probably might ......
Yes, that's right. :)
Phil used to read Getbig, and he was BY FAR not the only pro who read the G&O board here. It could be that he hasn't read since 2007 when he told me he read here, but based on conversations with him years after that, I got the impression he was still reading the boards.
Ronnie Coleman admitted to reading the boards, on video, in a video that was on YouTube, but may have since been taken down.
At the 2007 Arnold, Arnold himself stated that Lou was likely outside the Veteran's Memorial theatre, "probably selling autographs", LOL. My suspicion is that he read that post from the boards, since it is stated so frequently on the boards.
So yeah...do you find any of that hard to believe? Do you want me to give you an exact answer like "Phil Heath comes on Getbig seven times every three weeks for 85 minutes per session to read the posts of Be There, Ron, and Tommywishbone."
I couldn't tell you that...but do I suspect Phil still reads Getbig? Yes, I do.
I'm not saying he reads my posts - that would just be incidental to reading the boards, period. What I am saying is that a lot of pros read Getbig, or used to. It was thought that Tom Prince posted on here under a pseudonym. Based on the writing style of the user in question, I would bet money on that.
Why wouldn't people want to read Getbig? It is probably the "realest" board around. :)
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Yes, that's right. :)
Phil used to read Getbig, and he was BY FAR not the only pro who read the G&O board here. It could be that he hasn't read since 2007 when he told me he read here, but based on conversations with him years after that, I got the impression he was still reading the boards.
Ronnie Coleman admitted to reading the boards, on video, in a video that was on YouTube, but may have since been taken down.
At the 2007 Arnold, Arnold himself stated that Lou was likely outside the Veteran's Memorial theatre, "probably selling autographs", LOL. My suspicion is that he read that post from the boards, since it is stated so frequently on the boards.
So yeah...do you find any of that hard to believe? Do you want me to give you an exact answer like "Phil Heath comes on Getbig seven times every three weeks for 85 minutes per session to read the posts of Be There, Ron, and Tommywishbone."
I couldn't tell you that...but do I suspect Phil still reads Getbig? Yes, I do.
I'm not saying he reads my posts - that would just be incidental to reading the boards, period. What I am saying is that a lot of pros read Getbig, or used to. It was thought that Tom Prince posted on here under a pseudonym. Based on the writing style of the user in question, I would bet money on that.
Why wouldn't people want to read Getbig? It is probably the "realest" board around. :)
this is going to be a long 30 days.....
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Yes, that's right. :)
Phil used to read Getbig, and he was BY FAR not the only pro who read the G&O board here. It could be that he hasn't read since 2007 when he told me he read here, but based on conversations with him years after that, I got the impression he was still reading the boards.
Ronnie Coleman admitted to reading the boards, on video, in a video that was on YouTube, but may have since been taken down.
At the 2007 Arnold, Arnold himself stated that Lou was likely outside the Veteran's Memorial theatre, "probably selling autographs", LOL. My suspicion is that he read that post from the boards, since it is stated so frequently on the boards.
So yeah...do you find any of that hard to believe? Do you want me to give you an exact answer like "Phil Heath comes on Getbig seven times every three weeks for 85 minutes per session to read the posts of Be There, Ron, and Tommywishbone."
I couldn't tell you that...but do I suspect Phil still reads Getbig? Yes, I do.
I'm not saying he reads my posts - that would just be incidental to reading the boards, period. What I am saying is that a lot of pros read Getbig, or used to. It was thought that Tom Prince posted on here under a pseudonym. Based on the writing style of the user in question, I would bet money on that.
Why wouldn't people want to read Getbig? It is probably the "realest" board around. :)
Are you fucking autistic or something?
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Fixed.
Although I don't know if Phil logs in everyday necessarily - or logs in at all. He may just read Getbig once a week for all I know.
Be There, serious question - do you not think that pros read Getbig?
Lol, it's funny for me to ask that, and it is a rhetorical question since I know the answer, but after asking pros that question directly, I was initially shocked by the number of pros who read Getbig...then I no longer found it surprising.
Yes, pros read Getbig. It's not that Phil comes here to specifically read my long posts - but Phil, as well as other pros, have perused Getbig in the past, and I am confident that many still do. That includes your posts and many others. You might be surprised at who reads your posts. I probably read 90% of your posts, and it may be closer to 99%, from start to finish [and yes, it helps that your posts are shorter than mine].
But one thing I have learned is that you may be surprised who is reading what you write. I didn't mean to say that Phil specifically reads my posts - just that he reads Getbig, in the general sense. Could be daily, could be from time to time only. Or maybe he got fed up with it and decided to stop reading it completely. I have to admit, even when I left Getbig, I read it every day. ;D
He was on here about 2 or 3 yrs, ago posting and answering questions.
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'before'? Any sane person can tell at one glance he's long been quite ill...
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'before'? Any sane person can tell at one glance he's long been quite ill...
He's got the diabeetus neck of peace
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His cock neck and bloating midsection tells the situation.
Total (narrow) chump.
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One thing to consider is that he only competes once each year. I think the last time he competed more than once in a year was in 2011...that most likely helps his body a lot. He basically needs to go on one cutting diet a year. So he most likely doesn't have the receptor burnout that other bodybuilders may have. And I don't mean to use that term in the sense that his cycles would be less efficient - I mean that in health terms; he has not taxed his body to the extent that most top pros have, and ultimately, I believe that has likely helped preserve his organ integrity - again, with respect to other pros roughly at his level.
My hope for Phil is that he wins two more Mr. Olympia contests, then retires at #9. Everyone understands the need to beat the record held jointly by Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman, but if he goes for #10, judges may perceive that as a little greedy, and if he is even a wee bit off, they may give it to the next closest competitor.
Also, if Phil goes for #10, he would win it just shy of his 41st birthday, which is doable given that Ronnie won #8 at the age of 41. But if Phil stops at #9, he will retire in 2019, just shy of his 40th birthday.
Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"? I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday. I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels. If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.
Ronnie is 53, so I would say Phil can live at least that long. If he is smart and puts bodybuilding in the rear view, I can see him reversing some of the long-term damage that he has likely done by competing at the level he has competed at.
I hate to say this but if you look at his midsection and keep the recent autopsy of mccarver in mind it may be too late to for his organ integrity. I don't wish him any ill will but I don't think anyone at his level that's competing right now can escape damage from the combination of shit he's running.
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He's got the diabeetus neck of peace
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=585281.0;attach=654878;image) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=585281.0;attach=654879;image) (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=453285.0;attach=497997;image)
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They do read the boards. I was part of a bodybuilding group on fb and everyone could see Mike Quinn’s posts except me. He had blocked me. I have never communicated with him ever. But I recall posting here that he was a loose cannon. He got booted from the group for being an asshole and a loose cannon.
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If anything he's probably one the healthiest guys in the entire IFBB. He turned pro in a few shows, He's competed once a year since pretty much the beginning of his career (so probably hasn't had to do a ton of cycles) Has had huge contracts straight out the gate, so I don't see him having high levels of financial stress. Has had women cooking all his meals pretty much since he turned pro (again low stress). Has been injury free his entire career. Lives in a high altitude climate which is shown to be beneficial for health and longevity. He's also an intelligent guy who has the funds to get blood work done, afford various therapy treatments and deep tissue work. I don't see him having any major health issues, but then again Markus Ruhl never looked like the picture of health and he's still going strong so who knows.
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Those tris are nonexistent
All pecs bis and a 36 inch ripped waist
Waist should measure 30 inches TOPS
(https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/darrem_charles_arm_training_a.jpg)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=47161&option=com_joomgallery)
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He’ll retire and live a long life (depending on genetics) always looks healthy, Cutler is the same way. Seems all or at least most of the past Olympia champions are living healthy lives but I do fear for Coleman