Phil Heath - Health Issues - How Long?

[Simple Simon]

Early in the year when I decided to go on low carbs I did a detox to clean up my body because I was eating dirty foods at the time, i start with fasting out of the 24 hours I had all my meals in 8 hours and went 16 hours without food so my body can heal itself, for my diet i had  beetroots with kale, spinach and garlic with olive oil, fruits like grapefruit, orange, lemon and drink plenty of green tea, my meals consist of chia seed, quinoa, got my protein from hemp powder,
 phil heath is smart to do this when he gets back on the juice and starts eating normal again his body will absorb it a lot better.

16 hours, fuck my life, people who skip breakfast go 16 hours without food you fucking dumbo

[WannaBePro]

Vegan cleanse is for clearing up undigested meat in the intestines.

LMAO meat doesn't just chill undigested in your intestines. No food does. Not even that myth that gum takes 7 years to pass, that's just retarded. Your body doesn't need "detoxification" because we have amazing regulatory systems in place we've developed over thousands of years of evolution.
"Detox cleanse" is equivalent to flushing your money down the toilet. If you have enough money to do that and don't mind losing a few bucks, then by all means.

[8 INCH not biceps]

16 hours, fuck my life, people who skip breakfast go 16 hours without food you fucking dumbo

In your own retarded way you are agreeing with me, that would be the idea skip breakfast and eat lunch and dinner is a perfect way to fast. 

[Simple Simon]

In your own retarded way you are agreeing with me, that would be the idea skip breakfast and eat lunch and dinner is a perfect way to fast. 

but you made it sound like you were doing something to "heal" your body.
I regularly eat nothing for 12 hours, its pretty much my normal routine.

I must be way healthier than you if fasting actually heals the body.

Once again you make stuff up and shot yourself in the foot.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

LMAO meat doesn't just chill undigested in your intestines. No food does. Not even that myth that gum takes 7 years to pass, that's just retarded. Your body doesn't need "detoxification" because we have amazing regulatory systems in place we've developed over thousands of years of evolution.
"Detox cleanse" is equivalent to flushing your money down the toilet. If you have enough money to do that and don't mind losing a few bucks, then by all means.

I only stated why bodybuilders did a vegan cleanse.  I didn't say that I endorsed it or recommended it.

[8 INCH not biceps]

but you made it sound like you were doing something to "heal" your body.
I regularly eat nothing for 12 hours, its pretty much my normal routine.

I must be way healthier than you if fasting actually heals the body.

Once again you make stuff up and shot yourself in the foot.

yes fasting does help but if you are eating junk all year round then fasting is not enough, the body is very tough if you help it out by detoxing and eating healthy most of the time you can get away with eating garbage every now and then, and bodybuilders on steroids have to pay attention to healthy foods more than the average dude because those roids have side effects in the body.

[Simple Simon]

yes fasting does help but if you are eating junk all year round then fasting is not enough, the body is very tough if you help it out by detoxing and eating healthy most of the time you can get away with eating garbage every now and then, and bodybuilders on steroids have to pay attention to healthy foods more than the average dude because those roids have side effects in the body.

No such thing as junk food.

[JimmyJam1974]

Do you clean the semen of your annus regularly?

Is this the real JohnnyaFalcon?

[Simple Simon]

Is this the real JohnnyaFalcon?

marty Champions you need mate

[Go 4 It]

I do Palumbo's detox protocol, once or twice a year, I think it's beneficial to include this..you can email Dave and he will send you the protocol.

[Simple Simon]

I do Palumbo's detox protocol, once or twice a year, I think it's beneficial to include this..you can email Dave and he will send you the protocol.

he said hes busy and can you not post it?

[Go 4 It]

he said hes busy and can you not post it?

I have it saved somewhere, but the jist of it is you fast 12 hours, you eliminate foods like Coffee, Dairy, Red Meat, Wheat, Eggs, Protein Shakes, sugary fruits, alcohol. 3 weeks, theres a list of vitamins and priobiotics he gives you as well as including stuff like apple cider vinegar like 5 times a day. I honestly think anybody training hard should incorporate this, hell it's actually a diet that you can maintain year round if you really wanted.

[8 INCH not biceps]

No such thing as junk food.

Really take a look at the chemicals and processed crap in a macdonald burger

Hamburger bread
Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil and/or Canola Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Salt, Wheat Gluten, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Ammonium Sulfate, Ammonium Chloride, Dough Conditioners (May Contain One or More of: Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, DATEM, Ascorbic Acid, Azodicarbonamide, Mono and Diglycerides, Ethoxylated Monoglycerides, Monocalcium Phosphate, Enzymes, Guar Gum, Calcium Peroxide), Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Calcium Propionate and/or Sodium Propionate (Preservatives), Soy Lecithin.

The cheese

Milk, Cream, Water, Cheese Culture, Sodium Citrate, Contains 2% or Less of: Salt, Citric Acid, Sodium Phosphate, Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Lactic Acid, Acetic Acid, Enzymes, Sodium Pyrophosphate, Natural Flavor (Dairy Source), Color Added, Soy Lecithin (Added for Slice Separation).

Ketchup.

Tomato Concentrate from Red Ripe Tomatoes, Distilled Vinegar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Natural Flavors (Plant Source).

Beef

Full of hormones and probiotics that they inject in the cows to get them fat and make them grow faster then they get sick and the probiotics takes care of that.

If you put down a mcdonald's burger it does not decay and ants and bugs dont eat it because of all the unnatural chemicals in it.

[Simple Simon]

Really take a look at the chemicals and processed crap in a macdonald burger

Hamburger bread
Enriched Flour (Bleached Wheat Flour, Malted Barley Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup and/or Sugar, Yeast, Soybean Oil and/or Canola Oil, Contains 2% or Less: Salt, Wheat Gluten, Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Ammonium Sulfate, Ammonium Chloride, Dough Conditioners (May Contain One or More of: Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, DATEM, Ascorbic Acid, Azodicarbonamide, Mono and Diglycerides, Ethoxylated Monoglycerides, Monocalcium Phosphate, Enzymes, Guar Gum, Calcium Peroxide), Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Calcium Propionate and/or Sodium Propionate (Preservatives), Soy Lecithin.

The cheese

Milk, Cream, Water, Cheese Culture, Sodium Citrate, Contains 2% or Less of: Salt, Citric Acid, Sodium Phosphate, Sorbic Acid (Preservative), Lactic Acid, Acetic Acid, Enzymes, Sodium Pyrophosphate, Natural Flavor (Dairy Source), Color Added, Soy Lecithin (Added for Slice Separation).

Ketchup.

Tomato Concentrate from Red Ripe Tomatoes, Distilled Vinegar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Corn Syrup, Water, Salt, Natural Flavors (Plant Source).

Beef

Full of hormones and probiotics that they inject in the cows to get them fat and make them grow faster then they get sick and the probiotics takes care of that.

If you put down a mcdonald's burger it does not decay and ants and bugs dont eat it because of all the unnatural chemicals in it.

in moderation none of it will do you any harm.

[chess315]

Just curious your thoughts I think he has enough money to skate by a lot of them. I could also see him dying before 50 also. Other than a shit load of steroids gh, insulin,igfi don't even know what he could be on I never thought he was so great

[Matt]

One thing to consider is that he only competes once each year.  I think the last time he competed more than once in a year was in 2011...that most likely helps his body a lot.  He basically needs to go on one cutting diet a year.  So he most likely doesn't have the receptor burnout that other bodybuilders may have.  And I don't mean to use that term in the sense that his cycles would be less efficient - I mean that in health terms; he has not taxed his body to the extent that most top pros have, and ultimately, I believe that has likely helped preserve his organ integrity - again, with respect to other pros roughly at his level.

My hope for Phil is that he wins two more Mr. Olympia contests, then retires at #9.  Everyone understands the need to beat the record held jointly by Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman, but if he goes for #10, judges may perceive that as a little greedy, and if he is even a wee bit off, they may give it to the next closest competitor.

Also, if Phil goes for #10, he would win it just shy of his 41st birthday, which is doable given that Ronnie won #8 at the age of 41.  But if Phil stops at #9, he will retire in 2019, just shy of his 40th birthday.

Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"?  I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday.  I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels.  If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.

Ronnie is 53, so I would say Phil can live at least that long.  If he is smart and puts bodybuilding in the rear view, I can see him reversing some of the long-term damage that he has likely done by competing at the level he has competed at.

[The Scott]

Phildo hasn't raised the bar at all with that joke of a physique of his.  He just continues to limbo under it. He best represents the age of the bloated belly where packing on more and more "muscle" is all it takes to be Mr. Olympia.  Kai fucked grapefruit but Phil screwed his own cancer ridden first wife. That pretty much sums up Phil Heath.

He gets to be number 1 by looking like and behaving as a bowl full of number 2.   Hopefully he gets flushed soon.  Real soon.   He deserves to go the way of Ronnie Coleman.

[Nether Animal]

Looked legit awesome early on.

[QuietYou]

He responds well genetically to hormones not only in a physique sense but in a health sense as well. I'd say he lives till 75.

[Wiggs]

Looked legit awesome early on.

He should have stopped here.

[Matt]

He should have stopped here.

Using the Shawn Ray approach, and stopping there, at around 222-lb at maybe 5'9.4" or thereabouts, he would have been able to win pro shows, and even make the top 10 at the Olympia and top six at the Arnold, if not better.  But he would have never gone on to win seven Sandow trophies...so I guess it depends what his goals were.  I think his goals were winning the Mr. Olympia as many times as possible, so I don't think Phil had any intention to stop.

Also, as amazing as he looks there - and he did look amazing - if you saw his back, you would see that he was not on the same level as Jay or Ronnie at the time.  He needed to bring up his back, and he did.

At the end of the day, that physique would not have made him as much cash as his current physique.

[Bevo]

Looked legit awesome early on.

That’s pretty much all bbers early on

Ronnie, branch, Markus, Nasser, jay, flex, and so on

All that insulin, gh, igf really takes it’s toll, facial changes

[Simple Simon]

One thing to consider is that he only competes once each year.  I think the last time he competed more than once in a year was in 2011...that most likely helps his body a lot.  He basically needs to go on one cutting diet a year.  So he most likely doesn't have the receptor burnout that other bodybuilders may have.  And I don't mean to use that term in the sense that his cycles would be less efficient - I mean that in health terms; he has not taxed his body to the extent that most top pros have, and ultimately, I believe that has likely helped preserve his organ integrity - again, with respect to other pros roughly at his level.

My hope for Phil is that he wins two more Mr. Olympia contests, then retires at #9.  Everyone understands the need to beat the record held jointly by Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman, but if he goes for #10, judges may perceive that as a little greedy, and if he is even a wee bit off, they may give it to the next closest competitor.

Also, if Phil goes for #10, he would win it just shy of his 41st birthday, which is doable given that Ronnie won #8 at the age of 41.  But if Phil stops at #9, he will retire in 2019, just shy of his 40th birthday.

Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"?  I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday.  I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels.  If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.

Ronnie is 53, so I would say Phil can live at least that long.  If he is smart and puts bodybuilding in the rear view, I can see him reversing some of the long-term damage that he has likely done by competing at the level he has competed at.

why do you put so much effort into speculation?

[Matt]

why do you put so much effort into speculation?

What's wrong with being rich on detail?  I can tell you that Phil himself read my posts on here years ago, and respected them - not all of them, as I probably called him out for needing to bring up his back, more harshly than I should have.    But truth be told, why not learn from the mistakes of others?  Ronnie competed for too long, and his goal of ten Mr. Olympias is likely what made the judges finally side with Jay.  They wanted to move on to another champion...a pro bodybuilder told me in 2010 that Jay was going to be given a win that day, but the judges were not interested in letting him win the next year, so 2010 was going to be Jay's last year.  What happened?  He decided to compete again in 2011, and the torch was passed to Phil.

I think for a host of reasons, both health-wise, and legacy-wise, Phil should stop at #9.  He then has a chance to start reversing some of the problems he may have caused by taxing his central nervous system for so many years due to the demands of pro bodybuilding.

I speak a lot, rich in detail, as does Nick from "Nick's Strength & Power" - and there is a time and a place for rich, detail-oriented posts.  I happen to like them, as do many other people.  There is a reason I had the audience I did over the years - people do read what I write.

With that said, I would likely have removed this bit from my post:

Remember the movie "Raising the Bar"?  I thought it was cool that the contest took place on the eve of Dave Pulcinella's 40th birthday.  I think it would be cool if Phil retired at 39, just shy of his 40th, and lowered the doses to TRT levels.  If he does that, I think he has the best chances of living a reasonable lifespan.

Even though I liked the comparison, it wasn't directly related to Phil's career trajectory, whereas the rest of my post was.  It was relevant, on-point, but long.  But this bit involving Dave Pulcinella...not relevant, and perhaps a wee bit too esoteric for the purposes of this thread.

Ron should add an IGNORE function on this board so that people can just ignore users.  As for me, if people don't like my posts or think they are too long - they should just scroll past them.  No one is forcing to read them, right?  So I don't see the issue.

Ultimately, when one pro after another says that they read my posts and watch my videos and respect them, that matters more to me than the insults of people who hide behind screen names [and no, I am not speaking about yourself - but other people].

[Wiggs]

Using the Shawn Ray approach, and stopping there, at around 222-lb at maybe 5'9.4" or thereabouts, he would have been able to win pro shows, and even make the top 10 at the Olympia and top six at the Arnold, if not better.  But he would have never gone on to win seven Sandow trophies...so I guess it depends what his goals were.  I think his goals were winning the Mr. Olympia as many times as possible, so I don't think Phil had any intention to stop.

Also, as amazing as he looks there - and he did look amazing - if you saw his back, you would see that he was not on the same level as Jay or Ronnie at the time.  He needed to bring up his back, and he did.

At the end of the day, that physique would not have made him as much cash as his current physique.

I understand and that's the fault of the judges. Which is why Classic Physique will eventually overtake the open because we respect physiques like Phil at 222 vs. Phil at supposedly 250 and a blown out gut and no V-taper. Phil's just doing what he has to to win and I understand just like Jay who stated he never wanted to be that big, he just wanted to win. Well the nonsense has to come to an end sooner or later and now seems a good of time as any. Phil's gut is atrocious. He can deny it all day. He has a good eye for detail and he knows he has this gut. These guys end of justifying it with some excuse. Last time he looked great was in 2013 and even then he was too big for his frame.