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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Fred Zeppelin on April 24, 2017, 06:51:38 PM
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I've been experimenting with various training, diet and supplement protocols in an attempt to duplicate Doz's famous "grainy" look, only as a natural. No PEDS, but anything sold at Vitamin Shoppe is fair game. Anyway, I think I'm there. I'll know in 8 weeks. If anyone wants to have a serious dialogue about this, feel free to PM.
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lets talk about it in this thread so we can share ideas - what has worked and hasnt worked
what is your natural build? (ecto, meso, endo)
me, i am a lean meso, but for me to get lean
1. i need to totally deplete my cals
2. cut carbs to keto style diet
3 tons of veggies/water
4. cardio
nothin special (hot yoga helps me a ton)
what are you doing?
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Be low bodyfat, have the lighting come from the side, turn photo black and white
Ez
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Be low bodyfat, have the lighting come from the side, turn photo black and white
Ez
eek - no
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I definitely think it's genetic, has nothing to do with leaness or bodyfat that's for sure, many athletes / bodybuilders get super lean, but rarely see the grainy type look. Same goes for vascularity, some get very lean without much veins (Jay Cutler), some get crazy vascular (Frank McGrath).
And getting this type of look naturally, good luck.
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I definitely think it's genetic, has nothing to do with leaness or bodyfat that's for sure, many athletes / bodybuilders get super lean, but rarely see the grainy type look. Same goes for vascularity, some get very lean without much veins (Jay Cutler), some get crazy vascular (Frank McGrath).
And getting this type of look naturally, good luck.
totally true
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Be low bodyfat, have the lighting come from the side, turn photo black and white
Ez
U know your talk mr :D. Agree 100%. Light is everything when your in shape...light light light...and then some black white, and then some increased contrast...and pictures before pumped up, as soon u start to pump up u loose definition....we want dry muscle cells, not filled with blood and water...
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Will never happen.
Only people who are gonna pm you are guys as clueless as you and it'll be a circle-jerk of natural telling beach other how great they look.
Grainy look is a combination of ..
Large muscle fibers
A lot of muscle fibers
Very low body fat
Very low water retention
Heavy androgenic anabolics that don't aromatics.
Gh to grow new fibers (so they can then be enlarged by the anabolics)
Fat burners that spare muscle tissue (clen)
Estrogen drugs such as aromasin to stop anabolics from converting to estrogen as well as nolvadex to block estrogen receptors for any leftover estrogen hanging around
Mild diuretic such as aldactone and dyazide.
Nobody, not even Dorian walked around as dry as thenpic u posted. Not to mention the shadows helped. They're not as impressive in color.
Bottom line... Doing it natural is an waste of time. Even if younget that dry, you'll only weigh 162lbs if you're above average height.
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Will never happen.
Only people who are gonna pm you are guys as clueless as you and it'll be a circle-jerk of natural telling beach other how great they look.
Grainy look is a combination of ..
Large muscle fibers
A lot of muscle fibers
Very low body fat
Very low water retention
Heavy androgenic anabolics that don't aromatics.
Gh to grow new fibers (so they can then be enlarged by the anabolics)
Fat burners that spare muscle tissue (clen)
Estrogen drugs such as aromasin to stop anabolics from converting to estrogen as well as nolvadex to block estrogen receptors for any leftover estrogen hanging around
Mild diuretic such as aldactone and dyazide.
Nobody, not even Dorian walked around as dry as thenpic u posted. Not to mention the shadows helped. They're not as impressive in color.
Bottom line... Doing it natural is an waste of time. Even if younget that dry, you'll only weigh 162lbs if you're above average height.
from a guy who has never been sub 12% in his life.
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Dorian has said in the past that he either dated/knew of(can't remember exactly) a dermatologist who said he quite literally had thinner than normal skin.
There's your answer...
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Dorian has said in the past that he either dated/knew of(can't remember exactly) a dermatologist who said he quite literally had thinner than normal skin.
There's your answer...
Hard, heavy training, muscle maturity and thin skin. Of course low bodyfat and low water retention. So some factors are genetic but not all.
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from a guy who has never been sub 12% in his life.
Lol... If you say so scarecrow.
I was wondering how much it costs to get the necks of your dress shirts tailored to 14"?
I wouldnt expect a real answer to the OPs question from you anyways.. Being somebody who's diet advice is Bulimia, & bulimia will only get you to 7% right? Notbthe 5% needed to look like Dorian.
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Lol... If you say so scarecrow.
I was wondering how much it costs to get the necks of your dress shirts tailored to 14"?
I wouldnt expect a real answer to the OPs question from you anyways.. Being somebody who's diet advice is Bulimia, & bulimia will only get you to 7% right? Notbthe 5% needed to look like Dorian.
post your best pics stud....
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post your best pics stud....
You're like a broken record. Is autism hereditary? Donboth you and your son have it? Or is it just aspergers? Maybe it's the fetal alcohol syndrome evident in your eyes and facial features that makes your worse. Younknow where the pictures are as does everyone else
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You're like a broken record. Is autism hereditary? Donboth you and your son have it? Or is it just aspergers? Maybe it's the fetal alcohol syndrome evident in your eyes and facial features that makes your worse. Younknow where the pictures are as does everyone else
I have seen all your photos, there are none of you at a lower BF of 12% you look like shit, stop trying to tell people how to do something you have never come close to doing.
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Why would you want to be "grainy" when not on drugs and not competing ?
Most likely you will end up looking like a concentration camp survivor. Just not worth it.
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Being natty you would look to be more "stringy" rather than grainy.................. .no gear would make this happen as you would have to do a ton of hard dieting and lots of cardio.
My advice,get to 10% as a natty unless competing in the near future.
10% means visible abs to me all the time.
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Maturity in training and age help a lot.
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Well, having a grainy look is not natural so I think trying to get grainy naturally is an oxymoron. Besides, only other male bodybuilders think this look is attractive.
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Dorian has said in the past that he either dated/knew of(can't remember exactly) a dermatologist who said he quite literally had thinner than normal skin.
There's your answer...
that might explain why he looked older than he actually was
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You really believe there are any secrets?
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post your best worst( 1ml test once a month, training once a week, broken neck, gun shot wounds, opiate binge) pics stud....
Fixed...
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Will never happen.
Only people who are gonna pm you are guys as clueless as you and it'll be a circle-jerk of natural telling beach other how great they look.
Grainy look is a combination of ..
Large muscle fibers
A lot of muscle fibers
Very low body fat
Very low water retention
Heavy androgenic anabolics that don't aromatics.
Gh to grow new fibers (so they can then be enlarged by the anabolics)
Fat burners that spare muscle tissue (clen)
Estrogen drugs such as aromasin to stop anabolics from converting to estrogen as well as nolvadex to block estrogen receptors for any leftover estrogen hanging around
Mild diuretic such as aldactone and dyazide.
Nobody, not even Dorian walked around as dry as thenpic u posted. Not to mention the shadows helped. They're not as impressive in color.
Bottom line... Doing it natural is an waste of time. Even if younget that dry, you'll only weigh 162lbs if you're above average height.
Can you add something about prison to this post?
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Saying grainy looking and natural in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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It's very easy ::). Just look at the top 15 Olympia competitors who are on shitloads of drugs and none have this grainy look. It is 100% genetics.
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Not that complicated, but you need drugs
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Low enough body fat(no one on here has been there)
Diuretics(they use lasix most likely, I only feel safe with dyazide)
High high dhts(mast/winstrol)
Nothing to do with genetics, just like size is nothing to with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse to not work harder
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Low enough body fat(no one on here has been there)
Diuretics(they use lasix most likely, I only feel safe with dyazide)
High high dhts(mast/winstrol)
Nothing to do with genetics, just like size is nothing to with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse to not work harder
::). Your ability to hypertrophy is entirely genetic.
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::). Your ability to hypertrophy is entirely genetic.
A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.
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A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.
There are certainty cases where individuals don't train hard enough or put in the required efforts to maximize their potential. But, this has nothing to do with pessimism or laziness. You need the genes to get to pro status. Even drugs require the genetic response. What is stopping you? A syringe? The internet makes it appear that theses builds are commonplace and anything less means your efforts are sub par. The reality is, these people represent a small % of genetically successful from many thousands of trainees who just don't have it. That's the truth bro.
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There are certainty cases where individuals don't train hard enough or put in the required efforts to maximize their potential. But, this has nothing to do with pessimism or laziness. You need the genes to get to pro status. Even drugs require the genetic response. What is stopping you? A syringe? The internet makes it appear that theses builds are commonplace and anything less means your efforts are sub par. The reality is, these people represent a small % of genetically successful from many thousands of trainees who just don't have it. That's the truth bro.
Congratulations. You've successfully talked yourself out of having a world class physique.
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Congratulations. You've successfully talked yourself out of having a world class physique.
And when you don't, it's cause of what?
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And when you don't, it's cause of what?
Sorry friend, I don't speak the language of failure. You'll have to find someone else to commiserate with.
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Dorian claimed extreme conditioning and genetics along with paper thin skin and heavy training in his MD interview....I think esfitness drug protocol and genetics is spot on.....
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Sorry friend, I don't speak the language of failure. You'll have to find someone else to commiserate with.
You still don't understand the difference.
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You still don't understand the difference.
Again, I'm not interested in your thoughts. This thread was created for natural bodybuilders who haven't been bamboozled by gh15 into believing anybody with an arm over 15" is on drugs.
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A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.
You believe a physique similar to Dorians in the famous "black & white" pics
Is achievable with out the use of PEDs ??
Please explain your rational how that can be achieved.
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You believe a physique similar to Dorians in the famous "black & white" pics
Is achievable with out the use of PEDs ??
Please explain your rational how that can be achieved.
My "rational"? If you meant "rationale" not only did you misspell it, but you misused it as well. Anyways, I have created a technology that involves weightlifting technique, dietary strategies, and OTC supplement protocols. Not information I will readily hand out at this juncture.
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My "rational"? If you mean "rationale" not only did you misspell it, but you misused it as well. Anyways, I have created a technology that involves weightlifting technique, dietary strategies, and OTC supplement protocols. Not information I will readily hand out at this time.
Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake - it's 4.40am here
Not going to share this knowledge with us. Ok.
End of that conversation.
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Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake - it's 4.40am here
Not going to share this knowledge with us. Ok.
End of that conversation.
As I indicated already, I am test running my programme over the next 8 weeks. We'll see how things shake out then, and what tweaks need to be made. When the product is ready to roll, you'll be the first to know.
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A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.
You are absolutely wrong. naive and ignorant on a level matched with maybe jason genova.
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"over the counter supplement protocols"
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If it's possible, you'll be skin and bones.
It's not natural for humans to be so lean and with such low body fat unless starving.
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My "rational"? If you meant "rationale" not only did you misspell it, but you misused it as well. Anyways, I have created a technology that involves weightlifting technique, dietary strategies, and OTC supplement protocols. Not information I will readily hand out at this juncture.
Not triyng to patronize you. But how old are you? By the style of your postings it looks you are new to bodybuilding. In that case maybe you should listen and learn from the more experienced and acomplished posters on here.
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maybe you should listen and learn from the more experienced and acomplished posters on here.
maybe u tards r getting trolled, imbecile.
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maybe u tards r getting trolled, imbecile.
Possible. By you also sir? I do not consider you to be the elite poster so why the reply to my post?
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Possible. By you also sir?
great... another towering intellect on the forum ::)
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Possible. By you also sir? I do not consider you to be the elite poster so why the reply to my post?
why do dumbfuks add to a post after someone has already responded? ur brain must work in slow mo
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maybe u tards r getting trolled, imbecile.
Obviously the dude is trolling. Dorian's prime size and conditioning to be achieved naturally...get the fuck out of here.
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You are absolutely wrong. naive and ignorant on a level matched with maybe jason genova.
From what I understand, you are either a felon or lie about being a felon for attention. In either case you are hardly qualified to comment on anything.
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"over the counter supplement protocols"
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Stick to staring at pictures of chicks with butt implants. It's where your head is at.
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Not triyng to patronize you. But how old are you? By the style of your postings it looks you are new to bodybuilding. In that case maybe you should listen and learn from the more experienced and acomplished posters on here.
Let me guess, that would be you? I'll pass, son.
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Stick to staring at pictures of chicks with butt implants. It's where your head is at.
It's called being straight
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It's called being straight
In your case that would be straight to the next cock.
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In your case that would be straight to the next cock.
You're contradicting yourself, 'fred'
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You're contradicting yourself, 'fred'
No. You and a couple of the other handicapped sit and stare at pictures of ugly broads with fake asses and repeat the same tired jokes over and over. Your end in that is you get to be sexual with a couple of other males and you think you will be perceived as hetero. You are definitely gay and definitely a fucktard. Let me say this another way: I don't like you, I don't think you're witty, and I would prefer not to interact with you. Go elsewhere for attention. Thank you.
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No. You and a couple of the other handicapped sit and stare at pictures of ugly broads with fake asses and repeat the same tired jokes over and over. Your end in that is you get to be sexual with a couple of other males and you think you will be perceived as hetero. You are definitely gay and definitely a fucktard. Let me say this another way: I don't like you, I don't think you're witty, and I would prefer not to interact with you. Go elsewhere for attention. Thank you.
"Sure", "OK" and "Maybe"
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Let me guess, that would be you? I'll pass, son.
I was not thinking of me. Maybe being modest is news to you but here are some great bodybuilders and powerlifters that know their stuff.
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I was not thinking of me. Maybe being modest is news to you but here are some great bodybuilders and powerlifters that know their stuff.
Thank you for sharing.
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Obviously the dude is trolling.
u would think
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Maybe being modest is news to you but here are some great bodybuilders
so what? wtf do 'they' have to do with 'u'? what r u even trying to say?
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Fred, honestly, don't waste your time and money. Supplement companies are essentially quack doctors of the 20th and 21st century. You can get extremely lean with UD2.0 diet and training, for example, but nowhere near muscular levels of drug users.
I tried it myself, for seven months. I looked great, but for my height not overly muscular. 6', 174lbs, 7% BF.
Trust the GetBig community.
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Low enough body fat(no one on here has been there)
Diuretics(they use lasix most likely, I only feel safe with dyazide)
High high dhts(mast/winstrol)
Nothing to do with genetics, just like size is nothing to with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse to not work harder
Speak for yourself
As I've won national titles & competed for my country
I'd say I've been there or damn close.
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No gear = no bodybuilding.
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No gear = no bodybuilding.
Says the "elf" lol....maybe some genetically challenged shrimps need illegal drugs, wes, but those of us who got huge lifting, eating and taking whey and creatine know who we are.
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No gear = no bodybuilding.
Week 3:
Monday July 20th.
Chest & Abs:
Chest:
Smith Inclines:
65-20 (warmup)
95-12
115-8
135-5
135-8
115-10
Flyes:
25-12
40-8
40-8
30-15
Abs:
Crunches:
3 X failure
Diet:
Meal # 1-Pre-Workout:
1 scoop whey in water
Meal # 2-Post-Workout:
1 scoop whey in water
Meal # 3:
5 oz.boiled chicken breast
1 cup brown rice
12 oz. water
Meal # 4:
5 oz.boiled chicken breast
2 rice cakes w/natty PB
12 oz. water
Meal # 5:
5 oz.boiled chicken breast
12 oz. water
Brutal 135 lb max bench press. Those drugs sure do work great. ::)
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A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.
Those pictures came out well over 25 years ago champ. You've been working on this for years and have not produced results yet. Time to face reality, get on steroids and train and eat like Dorian did. Stop bullshitting yourself.
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Those pictures came out well over 25 years ago champ. You've been working on this for years and have not produced results yet. Time to face reality, get on steroids and train and eat like Dorian did. Stop bullshitting yourself.
No way dude. I'm on the verge of success.
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No way dude. I'm on the verge of success.
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Get lost queer. Nobody wants you around.
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Get lost queer. Nobody wants you around.
I can take that from a gimmick ;)
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I can take that from a gimmick ;)
I thought I already told you I don't like you and don't care to interact with you. You are obviously desperate for attention. With that in mind I will simply ignore you from this point on.
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I thought I already told you I don't like you and don't care to interact with you. You are obviously desperate for attention. With that in mind I will simply ignore you from this point on.
No, you won't, I'm already deep into your gimmick head, 'fred'
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1.) Take a garden hose and get wet
2.) Roll around in sand
3.) Take a black n white pic
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1.) Take a garden hose and get wet
2.) Roll around in sand
3.) Take a black n white pic
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Guess again son
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Guess again son
a million miles away from condition, looks like a fucking water bed
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a million miles away from condition, looks like a fucking water bed
And you think I value your opinion because......?
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And you think I value your opinion because......?
I dont....
I have zero interest in what you value.
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I dont....
I have zero interest in what you value.
You are what they call a "Negative Nancy". You want everyone to pay attention to you so you make snide remarks about everything. I happen to think you're an ass with nothing to offer.
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You are what they call a "Negative Nancy". You want everyone to pay attention to you so you make snide remarks about everything. I happen to think you're an ass with nothing to offer.
Pot calling the kettle a "Negative Nancy"
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I've been experimenting with various training, diet and supplement protocols in an attempt to duplicate Doz's famous "grainy" look, only as a natural. No PEDS, but anything sold at Vitamin Shoppe is fair game. Anyway, I think I'm there. I'll know in 8 weeks. If anyone wants to have a serious dialogue about this, feel free to PM.
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To even suggest you can do that is disrespecting one of the greatest of all time
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You are what they call a "Negative Nancy". You want everyone to pay attention to you so you make snide remarks about everything. I happen to think you're an ass with nothing to offer.
and you think I value your opinion because....?
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How to get the "granny" look-naturally?
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and you think I value your opinion because....?
You value my opinion because you are a negative, unhappy individual who is addicted to latching on to other forum members and trying to belittle them in order to make yourself seem like a bigger person. You study the words members post and try to find a way to say something insulting. The value you find in my posts, therefore, is they give you a chance to practice your craft of being derogatory and trying to appear as a know-it-all. This is why you are called a "Negative Nancy". Always trying to get people to pay attention to you by saying something negative.
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You are what they call a "Negative Nancy". You want everyone to pay attention to you so you make snide remarks about everything. I happen to think you're an ass with nothing to offer.
Not true, he basically ignores me and didn't make a single comment when I posted a pic.
:'(
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Says the "elf" lol....maybe some genetically challenged shrimps need illegal drugs, wes, but those of us who got huge lifting, eating and taking whey and creatine know who we are.
Got any pics of said huge physique.
I`ll be waiting to see them but I won`t hold my breath.
::)
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Got any pics of said huge physique.
I`ll be waiting to see them but I won`t hold my breath.
::)
Hey you're the big shot drug addict, the "elf" who says no drugs=no bodybuilder....yet your max on the smith bench is 135. LMFAO...why don't you stick to threatening to beat up old ladies like you did in that other thread. LOL
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What,no pics,I thought so..............just another shitty gimmick.
::)
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What,no pics,I thought so..............just another shitty gimmick.
::)
LMFAO....whoa...the Big Bad 135 Bench Man has spoken....beat up any elderly ladies lately tough guy?....LOL...what a big shot!
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LMFAO....whoa...the Big Bad 135 Bench Man has spoken....beat up any elderly ladies lately tough guy?....LOL...what a big shot!
You`re one lame ass jerk of a gimmick.........you have the longevity of a fruitfly on this board son.
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You`re one lame ass jerk of a gimmick.........you have the longevity of a fruitfly on this board son.
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"Wwaaahhhh....I'm Wes. I can dish it out but I can't take it."
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You bore me asshole.......have fun trolling.
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You bore exposed me asshole.......have fun trolling.
Fixed
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Fixed
Fred is definately queer bait !!
FIXED
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Fred is definately queer bait !!
FIXED
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Dexter at his best
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(https://s12.postimg.org/6522l9k3h/dex02.jpg).
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Dexter at his best
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(https://s12.postimg.org/6522l9k3h/dex02.jpg).
That's attainable naturally with my carefully assembled OTC designer supplement stack you can buy at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, along with the diet and specialized weight training programme.
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That's attainable naturally with my carefully assembled OTC designer supplement stack you can buy at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, along with the diet and specialized weight training programme.
Couple of things.
1.) No, gnc or other sups won't help you
2.) Show a little more respect for Wes and be there
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Couple of things.
1.) No, gnc or other sups won't help you
2.) Show a little more respect for Wes and be there
1.) Wrong.
2.) Dudes want to talk shit then I'm gonna tell it like it is.
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i need to start to cut :o
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1.) Wrong.
2.) Dudes want to talk shit then I'm gonna tell it like it is.
You haven't been here long and have no resume.
Any over the counter supp will make you shed some water if you're lucky. If you want a supp that actually burns fat like dnp you're gonna feel like shit with a fever.
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That's attainable naturally with my carefully assembled OTC designer supplement stack you can buy at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, along with the diet and specialized weight training programme.
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OTC supplements can help. There's many many products with stimulants that help you lose weight and affect appetite. But they are all more or less some form of speed/stimulant and are terrible for you, bad on the heart and somewhat addictive.
You don't need them to get ripped, but they make it easier. EPhedrine, caffeine and aspirin. Working out hard and dieting for 12 weeks will get you pretty lean as long as you aren't starting out as a huge fat pig.
You will lose muscle also.
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You haven't been here long and have no resume.
Any over the counter supp will make you shed some water if you're lucky. If you want a supp that actually burns fat like dnp you're gonna feel like shit with a fever.
"Resume"? You really are a clown. Go away.
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1.) Wrong.
2.) Dudes want to talk shit then I'm gonna tell it like it is.
I have no fucking clue who you are fuckface!!
I`ve been here way too long .....you won`t win a war with me.....my skin is way too tough.....dicklicker. ;)
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Less than 100 posts and this 'fred' already made a lot of friends
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I have no fucking clue who you are fuckface!!
I`ve been here way too long .....you won`t win a war with me.....my skin is way too tough.....dicklicker. ;)
Please. You threaten to beat up elderly women and bench 135 on the Smith. You I can handle.