How to get the "grainy" look-naturally

[Fred Zeppelin]

"over the counter supplement protocols"

Stick to staring at pictures of chicks with butt implants. It's where your head is at.

[Fred Zeppelin]

Not triyng to patronize you. But how old are you? By the style of your postings it looks you are new to bodybuilding. In that case maybe you should listen and learn from the more experienced and acomplished posters on here.

Let me guess, that would be you? I'll pass, son.

[DroppingPlates]

Stick to staring at pictures of chicks with butt implants. It's where your head is at.

It's called being straight

[Fred Zeppelin]

It's called being straight

In your case that would be straight to the next cock.

[DroppingPlates]

In your case that would be straight to the next cock.

You're contradicting yourself, 'fred'

[Fred Zeppelin]

You're contradicting yourself, 'fred'

No. You and a couple of the other handicapped sit and stare at pictures of ugly broads with fake asses and repeat the same tired jokes over and over. Your end in that is you get to be sexual with a couple of other males and you think you will be perceived as hetero. You are definitely gay and definitely a fucktard. Let me say this another way: I don't  like you, I don't think you're witty, and I would prefer not to interact with you. Go elsewhere for attention. Thank you.

[DroppingPlates]

No. You and a couple of the other handicapped sit and stare at pictures of ugly broads with fake asses and repeat the same tired jokes over and over. Your end in that is you get to be sexual with a couple of other males and you think you will be perceived as hetero. You are definitely gay and definitely a fucktard. Let me say this another way: I don't  like you, I don't think you're witty, and I would prefer not to interact with you. Go elsewhere for attention. Thank you.

"Sure", "OK" and "Maybe"

[VladimirVersic]

Let me guess, that would be you? I'll pass, son.

I was not thinking of me. Maybe being modest is news to you but here are some great bodybuilders and powerlifters that know their stuff.

[Fred Zeppelin]

I was not thinking of me. Maybe being modest is news to you but here are some great bodybuilders and powerlifters that know their stuff.

Thank you for sharing.

[Zillotch]

Obviously the dude is trolling.

u would think

[Zillotch]

Maybe being modest is news to you but here are some great bodybuilders

so what? wtf do 'they' have to do with 'u'? what r u even trying to say?

[ilalin]

Fred, honestly, don't waste your time and money. Supplement companies are essentially quack doctors of the 20th and 21st century. You can get extremely lean with UD2.0 diet and training, for example, but nowhere near muscular levels of drug users.
I tried it myself, for seven months. I looked great, but for my height not overly muscular. 6', 174lbs, 7% BF.
Trust the GetBig community.

[illuminati]

Low enough body fat(no one on here has been there)
Diuretics(they use lasix most likely, I only feel safe with dyazide)
High high dhts(mast/winstrol)

Nothing to do with genetics, just like size is nothing to with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse to not work harder

Speak for yourself
As I've won national titles & competed for my country
I'd say I've been there or damn close.

[wes]

No gear = no bodybuilding.

[Fred Zeppelin]

No gear = no bodybuilding.

Says the "elf" lol....maybe some genetically challenged shrimps need illegal drugs, wes, but those of us who got huge lifting, eating and taking whey and creatine know who we are.

[Fred Zeppelin]

No gear = no bodybuilding.

Week 3:

Monday July 20th.

Chest & Abs:

Chest:
Smith Inclines:
65-20 (warmup)
95-12
115-8
135-5
135-8
115-10

Flyes:
25-12
40-8
40-8
30-15

Abs:
Crunches:
3 X failure

Diet:

Meal # 1-Pre-Workout:
1 scoop whey in water

Meal # 2-Post-Workout:
1 scoop whey in water

Meal # 3:
5 oz.boiled chicken breast
1 cup brown rice
12 oz. water

Meal # 4:
5 oz.boiled chicken breast
2 rice cakes w/natty PB
12 oz. water

Meal # 5:
5 oz.boiled chicken breast
12 oz. water

Brutal 135 lb max bench press. Those drugs sure do work great.

[Eric2]

A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.

Those pictures came out well over 25 years ago champ. You've been working on this for years and have not produced results yet. Time to face reality, get on steroids and train and eat like Dorian did. Stop bullshitting yourself.

[Fred Zeppelin]

Those pictures came out well over 25 years ago champ. You've been working on this for years and have not produced results yet. Time to face reality, get on steroids and train and eat like Dorian did. Stop bullshitting yourself.

No way dude. I'm on the verge of success.

[DroppingPlates]

No way dude. I'm on the verge of success.

[Fred Zeppelin]

Get lost queer. Nobody wants you around.

[DroppingPlates]

Get lost queer. Nobody wants you around.

I can take that from a gimmick

[Fred Zeppelin]

I can take that from a gimmick

I thought I already told you I don't like you and don't care to interact with you. You are obviously desperate for attention. With that in mind I will simply ignore you from this point on.

[DroppingPlates]

I thought I already told you I don't like you and don't care to interact with you. You are obviously desperate for attention. With that in mind I will simply ignore you from this point on.

No, you won't, I'm already deep into your gimmick head, 'fred'

[FREAKgeek]

1.) Take a garden hose and get wet
2.) Roll around in sand
3.) Take a black n white pic

[Fred Zeppelin]

1.) Take a garden hose and get wet
2.) Roll around in sand
3.) Take a black n white pic

Guess again son