How to get the "grainy" look-naturally

[ilalin]

Not that complicated, but you need drugs

[Explorerspl]

Low enough body fat(no one on here has been there)
Diuretics(they use lasix most likely, I only feel safe with dyazide)
High high dhts(mast/winstrol)

Nothing to do with genetics, just like size is nothing to with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse to not work harder

[FREAKgeek]

Low enough body fat(no one on here has been there)
Diuretics(they use lasix most likely, I only feel safe with dyazide)
High high dhts(mast/winstrol)

Nothing to do with genetics, just like size is nothing to with genetics. People use genetics as an excuse to not work harder

 . Your ability to hypertrophy is entirely genetic.

[Fred Zeppelin]

. Your ability to hypertrophy is entirely genetic.

A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.

[FREAKgeek]

A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.

There are certainty cases where individuals don't train hard enough or put in the required efforts to maximize their potential. But, this has nothing to do with pessimism or laziness. You need the genes to get to pro status. Even drugs require the genetic response.  What is stopping you? A syringe? The internet makes it appear that theses builds are commonplace and anything less means your efforts are sub par. The reality is, these people represent a small % of genetically successful from many thousands of trainees who just don't have it. That's the truth bro.

[Fred Zeppelin]

There are certainty cases where individuals don't train hard enough or put in the required efforts to maximize their potential. But, this has nothing to do with pessimism or laziness. You need the genes to get to pro status. Even drugs require the genetic response.  What is stopping you? A syringe? The internet makes it appear that theses builds are commonplace and anything less means your efforts are sub par. The reality is, these people represent a small % of genetically successful from many thousands of trainees who just don't have it. That's the truth bro.

Congratulations. You've successfully talked yourself out of having a world class physique.

[FREAKgeek]

Congratulations. You've successfully talked yourself out of having a world class physique.

And when you don't, it's cause of what?

[Fred Zeppelin]

And when you don't, it's cause of what?

Sorry friend, I don't speak the language of failure. You'll have to find someone else to commiserate with.

[Shawnwhite]

Dorian claimed extreme conditioning and genetics along with paper thin skin and heavy training in his MD interview....I think esfitness drug protocol and genetics is spot on.....

[FREAKgeek]

Sorry friend, I don't speak the language of failure. You'll have to find someone else to commiserate with.

You still don't understand the difference.

[Fred Zeppelin]

You still don't understand the difference.

Again, I'm not interested in your thoughts. This thread was created for natural bodybuilders who haven't been bamboozled by gh15 into believing anybody with an arm over 15" is on drugs.

[illuminati]

A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.

You believe a physique similar to Dorians in the famous  "black & white" pics
Is achievable with out the use of PEDs ??

Please explain your rational how that can be achieved.

[Fred Zeppelin]

You believe a physique similar to Dorians in the famous  "black & white" pics
Is achievable with out the use of PEDs ??

Please explain your rational how that can be achieved.

My "rational"? If you meant "rationale" not only did you misspell it, but you misused it as well.  Anyways, I have created a technology that involves weightlifting technique, dietary strategies, and OTC supplement protocols. Not information I will readily hand out at this juncture.

[illuminati]

My "rational"? If you mean "rationale" not only did you misspell it, but you misused it as well.  Anyways, I have created a technology that involves weightlifting technique, dietary strategies, and OTC supplement protocols. Not information I will readily hand out at this time.

Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake - it's 4.40am here

Not going to share this knowledge with us. Ok.
End of that conversation.

[Fred Zeppelin]

Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake - it's 4.40am here

Not going to share this knowledge with us. Ok.
End of that conversation.

As I indicated already, I am test running my programme over the next 8 weeks. We'll see how things shake out then, and what tweaks need to be made. When the product is ready to roll, you'll be the first to know.

[ESFitness]

A lot of predictable replies. I don't subscribe to the school of defeated thinking that says a thing can't be done. I'm more of a Henry Ford/Wright Brothers type of guy, defying the naysayers. Now what I've put together has come from years of study, trial and error. I've been on this mission since the day I saw those black-and-white shots of Doz in Flex Magazine. I believe that level of size, density and "graininess" can be had naturally through certain lifting techniques, diet strategies and over the counter supplement protocols.

You are absolutely wrong.  naive and ignorant on a level matched with maybe jason genova.

[DroppingPlates]

"over the counter supplement protocols"

[Griffith]

If it's possible, you'll be skin and bones.

It's not natural for humans to be so lean and with such low body fat unless starving.

[VladimirVersic]

My "rational"? If you meant "rationale" not only did you misspell it, but you misused it as well.  Anyways, I have created a technology that involves weightlifting technique, dietary strategies, and OTC supplement protocols. Not information I will readily hand out at this juncture.

Not triyng to patronize you. But how old are you? By the style of your postings it looks you are new to bodybuilding. In that case maybe you should listen and learn from the more experienced and acomplished posters on here.

[Zillotch]

maybe you should listen and learn from the more experienced and acomplished posters on here.

maybe u tards r getting trolled, imbecile.

[VladimirVersic]

maybe u tards r getting trolled, imbecile.

Possible. By you also sir? I do not consider you to be the elite poster so why the reply to my post?

[Zillotch]

Possible. By you also sir?

great... another towering intellect on the forum 

[Zillotch]

Possible. By you also sir? I do not consider you to be the elite poster so why the reply to my post?

why do dumbfuks add to a post after someone has already responded? ur brain must work in slow mo

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

maybe u tards r getting trolled, imbecile.

Obviously the dude is trolling. Dorian's prime size and conditioning to be achieved naturally...get the fuck out of here.

[Fred Zeppelin]

You are absolutely wrong.  naive and ignorant on a level matched with maybe jason genova.

From what I understand, you are either a felon or lie about being a felon for attention. In either case you are hardly qualified to comment on anything.