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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on May 15, 2017, 08:01:15 PM
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I still am holding out hopes for saving US manufacturing, Closed Borders and the end of Bad Trade Deals.
Healthcare will be a complete disaster if he signs it into law as is. Other than that, nothing really has been accomplished thus far.
Trump is still a much better choice than Hillary. The main benefit is getting away from political correctness and victim mentality, although I am seeing alot of that "Victimhood" from the right. They are still worthless on abortion, healthcare and Science and I am not sure if they will ever come to reason in those areas. Anyways, hoping for the best!
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China
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China
China what?
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lol
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Just wait a few months and watch how many jobs are created. Jobs are one of the most important things. The Trump administration is very friendly to people starting and growing business. You'll see, we will be swimming in jobs.
Trump is doing great with the second amendment but yeah horrible on healthcare. Possibly even worse than Obamacare. We need to just go single payer and get rid of the healthcare cash cow industry. And the retard fundies on the right are too brainwashed to realize how great abortion is.
Keep deporting illegals and then build the wall, even if it's just to watch people melt. 8)
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Watch the internet as we know it go bye bye when they get rid of Net Neutrality. hahah What a joke this turned out to be.
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Idiots....he's been in for three months with push back every step of the way. ::)
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Idiots....he's been in for three months with push back every step of the way. ::)
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Exactly, wtf can one expect in such a short time.
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Starting to sound a little cucky there, friend. Keep in mind, fake news accounts for roughly 50% of said "failures." The other 50% is just you sick and tired of winning.
And the other 50% is because math is a science, and science "in some cases it is true but a lot of the it's complete bullshit," because "commonsense tells me because left is almost always wrong and Noam Chansky said last week I've usually been right on most issues because the bullshit meter usually goes off when I hear."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=630500.150
God bless MAGA and commonsense Republicans!
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Starting to sound a little cucky there, friend. Keep in mind, fake news accounts for roughly 50% of said "failures." The other 50% is just you sick and tired of winning.
And the other 50% is because math is a science, and science "in some cases it is true but a lot of the it's complete bullshit," because "commonsense tells me because left is almost always wrong and Noam Chansky said last week I've usually been right on most issues because the bullshit meter usually goes off when I hear."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=630500.150
God bless MAGA and commonsense Republicans!
You must have fallen for the common core bullshit or the math that thinks a one payer system works. Just stick with 2+2=4 and work from there
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You must have fallen for the common core bullshit or the math that thinks a one payer system works. Just stick with 2+2=4 and work from there
What math shows that single payer isn't the cheapest most cost effective healthcare?
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What math shows that single payer isn't the cheapest most cost effective healthcare?
Cheapest for who and at what cost?
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Idiots....he's been in for three months with push back every step of the way. ::)
Exactly. 3 Months and its been this much of a clusterfuck. Does not look good for the future.
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Cheapest for who and at what cost?
The nation.
Divided individually per person.
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Conservative Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch, Immigration border crimes down 70% even without wall yet. I can go on, but that's all I need.
Oh wait, biggest success also, Hillary is not President and never will be.
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Exactly. 3 Months and its been this much of a clusterfuck. Does not look good for the future.
Also 2Fatty run off the board, another success for Trump.
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You must have fallen for the common core bullshit or the math that thinks a one payer system works. Just stick with 2+2=4 and work from there
You must be triggered, snowflake.
Anyway, arithmetic is just more pretentious, highbrow intellectualism. Who says it equals four? Some over-educated, sciency professor with his elitist lib propaganda?
Right, you go ahead and read your leftist textbooks. I'll stick with my commonsense bullshit meter.
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The nation.
Divided individually per person.
But it's not and not even for the rich, in most cases it's more expensive individually but more than that, what happens once you have a complete government takeover of the healthcare system?
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I'll stick with my commonsense bullshit meter.
You do that.
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Trump will be living in Moscow by 2018
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Exactly. 3 Months and its been this much of a clusterfuck. Does not look good for the future.
Explain said clusterfuck.
I think you've been mislead by what you've read is going on vs. what is actually happening.
Question: have you read any of the EO in full, in their original form?
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Exactly. 3 Months and its been this much of a clusterfuck. Does not look good for the future.
Who's the real idiot, though? Defending the phony, lying fuck at every turn. Pretending to believe his bullshit, making excuses.
Must be a bitch now, explaining yourself to Coach? Coach, guy. That's gotta sting. Anti-science/reason, and everything you value. Pro-church/ignorance, and everything you've always despised. This is the peer group you f'n CHOSE, boggles the mind.
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Explain said clusterfuck.
I think you've been mislead by what you've read is going on vs. what is actually happening.
Question: have you read any of the EO in full, in their original form?
Another one.
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http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.
Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.
Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.
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http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.
Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.
Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.
Again, defending yourself to whom here?
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http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.
Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.
Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.
Fuck your bullshit socialist facts. I had you pegged from the get go when you all of the sudden dumped Sanders for Trump and I'm pretty sure I called you out on it. Now would be a fucking great time to switch to another one of your gimmicks. Watch this and pay attention....but you won't watch and stil spin your bullshit. Fuckkng leftist fraud...
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Fuck your bullshit socialist facts. I had you pegged from the get go when you all of the sudden dumped Sanders for Trump and I'm pretty sure I called you out on it. Now would be a fucking great time to switch to another one of your gimmicks. Watch this and pay attention....but you won't watch and stil spin your bullshit. Fuckkng leftist fraud...
https://youtu.be/VPADFNKDhGM
Ha!
Perfect. Those inconvenient facts and such. See, Adam? This is what ya got in bed with.
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http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.
Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs") consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.
Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.
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Ha!
Perfect. Those inconvenient facts and such. See, Adam? This is what ya got in bed with.
It would fucking kill you to put truth with common sense. You didn't even attempt to watch it did you?
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Another one.
another one what?
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But it's not and not even for the rich, in most cases it's more expensive individually but more than that, what happens once you have a complete government takeover of the healthcare system?
No. No it's not more expensive.
What happens?
I mean it seems that the nations that do it, have a great healthcare and spend less per person.
What do you think happens?
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I haven`t given up on Trump yet, I just stated that thus far his administration has been a failure. He would admit it, off the record of course as well. Most of his major goals have been subverted or totally have been failures (Healthcare) and the funny thing is, the subversion and failure is largely due to other Republicans.
Trump still supports Single Payer, but his cohorts won`t even think about it. Shows you how dumb they really are.
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I haven`t given up on Trump yet, I just stated that thus far his administration has been a failure. He would admit it, off the record of course as well. Most of his major goals have been subverted or totally have been failures (Healthcare) and the funny thing is, the subversion and failure is largely due to other Republicans.
Trump still supports Single Payer, but his cohorts won`t even think about it. Shows you how dumb they really are.
What do you think the administration (not Trump) could have done different to be more effective, in your eyes?
Remember how much the democrats obstruct... not sure what you can expect with the current system as is.
If you say that the government system of the US is a failure, has been a failure, so far, despite Trump's efforts, then yes, I'd be inclined to agree.
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Great post, TA.
White people went from being the most successful race in human history - the Wayne Gretzky of races - to a bunch of evolutionary losers who have the collective self-esteem of a group of short, bald bodybuilders who Never1AShow.
Sad. :-\
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I'm so disgusted being part of this race of losers. Could you imagine if Hebrews went around telling everyone that they succeed in sports due to oppressing non-Hebrews? But at least Hebrews know better than to do that. White people, however, do not. Pahetic.
White people are acting like they Never1AShow. :-X
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^^ those people just like virtue signaling more than they like themselves.
i bet half are depressed, clinically, and the other half are medicated, self or otherwise
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Most of Trump's pledges were pie in the sky. I'm surprised anyone thought he could be anything other then a disappointment.
Only reason I wanted him to win was for the liberal meltdown that followed.
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Fuck you and your damn facts. Breitbart tells me that single payer is socialism and socialism is for muslims and feminists.
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Fuck you and your damn facts. Breitbart tells me that single payer is socialism and socialism is for muslims and feminists.
We have a different population than those countries. Go to Italy vs most places in USA and you will see the vast differences. Most here are lazy, fat, and slow and have horrible diets and lifestyles.
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TA...in an ideal world, you may be right. However, unfortunately, living in the most Democratic free society in the world is diametrically opposed to standardized single payor healthcare. As a physician, the absolute greatest failure of the healthcare system in this country is the eating habits, gross obesity, and illicit habits like smoking and excessive drinking.
Is it shocking that over 50% of Americans are technically obese, and interestingly 50% of Americans pay no taxes. The reason a single payor system works in some countries is that citizens...all of them...are expected to contribute to overall costs. In our country, most people would rather buy their cigarettes or alcohol and not buy insurance. Thus, I do not feel that a single payor option will work considering there are no penalties for bad behaviour. Thus, maybe the following would help without breaking the bank.
- Get rid of trial lawyers; physicians order too many unnecessary studies for fear of litigation...especially from those with less means...i.e. blacks, hispanics, trailer park whites
- Tort reform to protect physicians from ridiculous lawsuits
- Tax write offs for physicians for physicians and their practices. For instance, advocate that 5% of your practice is to care for the less fortunate but because the patient has no means to pay the practice / physician can write the visit off against gross income
- As it is, there are very few providers for straight Medicaid or Medicare even in the commuity; try to get an appointment with a PCP with straight Medicare
- With tort reform, malpractice insurance will decline
- Tax the hell out of consumption products; don't VAT tax the whole country....if you want to smoke, put a 100% tax on a pack of cigarettes. If you want to drink...increase taxes there
- Allow insurance companies to negotiate with Canadian pharmacies to obtain meds...agreed that meds in America are ridiculously expensive
- Allow people to shop for their insurance out of their states; cannot believe the Republicans haven't already passed this into law....think of Amazon vs your brick and mortar stores. Why can't I use BCBS of California in Florida; it is ludicrous to have virtual monopolies state to state
- Have clear expenses for services ahead of time...do you know how much that ER visit to treat that migraine is really going to be prior to getting the bill. Bet you nobody has a clue until they get the 5000 dollar bill and see that a Tylenol costs a 100 bucks.
This is but a start. I don't think a single payor is going to be viable in America right now. Beyond that, google Canadian healthcare nightmares and read the horror stories. Three months to see a PCP. Five months to see a specialist. In America, even with the crappy system we have now, you can get in to see a doc timely. Simple, if you are willing to pay for it, you can doctor shop. Can't do that in Canada. Also, think about a panel that denies you a particular service ie chemotherapy, for instance, because you are 70 but otherwise healthy. Don't think they ration care in these countries...think again. If there is only one insurance, what recourse do you have if denied services.
I am not completely dismissing your idea. I am just pointing out obvious weaknesses in the system. The debate will go on.
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We have a different population than those countries. Go to Italy vs most places in USA and you will see the vast differences. Most here are lazy, fat, and slow and have horrible diets and lifestyles.
exactly this.
comparisons like that are meaningless except for the absolute highest birds-eye level, and even as such not very telling
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im no failur i regularly nut 3to 4 times a day everyday
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Fuck your bullshit socialist facts. I had you pegged from the get go when you all of the sudden dumped Sanders for Trump and I'm pretty sure I called you out on it. Now would be a fucking great time to switch to another one of your gimmicks. Watch this and pay attention....but you won't watch and stil spin your bullshit. Fuckkng leftist fraud...
Holy crap, epic meltdown about politics lol. Geez, getting so angry about TAs position lol
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Holy crap, epic meltdown about politics lol. Geez, getting so angry about TAs position lol
You don't go from being an admitted socialist all of these years supporting Sanders (that to this day still talks shit about Trump) then all of the sudden being all in for a capitalist with mostly conservative values. If you support a one payer systems that in fact makes you a socialist. That's his position
At least be honest about your affiliation
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I still am holding out hopes for saving US manufacturing, Closed Borders and the end of Bad Trade Deals.
Healthcare will be a complete disaster if he signs it into law as is. Other than that, nothing really has been accomplished thus far.
Trump is still a much better choice than Hillary. The main benefit is getting away from political correctness and victim mentality, although I am seeing alot of that "Victimhood" from the right. They are still worthless on abortion, healthcare and Science and I am not sure if they will ever come to reason in those areas. Anyways, hoping for the best!
A failure??? lmao This guy has done more in his first few months of office than Obama ever did. Trump is doing everything he can to reverse the toxicity of the previous FAILED administration. Nothing but haters just piling on......
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I'd give Trump's first 115 days a 10 outta 10. Comedy gold. Daily. Entertaining as fuck.
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I'd give Trump's first 115 days a 10 outta 10. Comedy gold. Daily. Entertaining as fuck.
THIS is comedy gold....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.html
"it was the Russians" - The entire left
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I'd give Trump's first 115 days a 10 outta 10. Comedy gold. Daily. Entertaining as fuck.
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STFU Straw-FAG
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STFU Straw-FAG
Aw jeez, not you too. You should know better.
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No. No it's not more expensive.
What happens?
I mean it seems that the nations that do it, have a great healthcare and spend less per person.
What do you think happens?
No, not for all but for those that can afford it the cost is astronomical which basically covers the costs for those that can't afford it. So I will ask you again, what happens when there is a complete Government take over of the health care system?
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Watch the internet as we know it go bye bye when they get rid of Net Neutrality. hahah What a joke this turned out to be.
All paid for by Verizon. Bunch of fuckers.
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STFU Straw-FAG
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D are depends covered under the new healthcare plan ??? ??? ???... did trump invest in the funeral trade after cancelling 24 million Americans health insurance. ??? ??? ??? ??? is being an asshole considered a pre-existing condition ??? ??? ??? ??? these are all questions that will be answered in trump's next 100 days
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D are depends covered under the new healthcare plan ??? ??? ???... did trump invest in the funeral trade after cancelling 24 million Americans health insurance. ??? ??? ??? ??? is being an asshole considered a pre-existing condition ??? ??? ??? ??? these are all questions that will be answered in trump's next 100 days
The only ones that got cancelled were the millions under ObamaCare who lost their plans and doctors remember?
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We have a different population than those countries. Go to Italy vs most places in USA and you will see the vast differences. Most here are lazy, fat, and slow and have horrible diets and lifestyles.
Per Capita is what matters, not total population. Its not hard.
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getbiggers know as much about politics as they know about bodybuilding.
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You don't go from being an admitted socialist all of these years supporting Sanders (that to this day still talks shit about Trump) then all of the sudden being all in for a capitalist with mostly conservative values. If you support a one payer systems that in fact makes you a socialist. That's his position
At least be honest about your affiliation
So Donald Trump is a Socialist because he still and always has supported Single Payer Healthcare System? Right.
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Per Capita is what matters, not total population. Its not hard.
Per Capita we are much more dispersed as a population, much more unhealthy, have massive swaths of ghetto tax-sponges and parasites who will consume all of the resources unless there is massive rationing etc.
Not all countries that have single payer are a shining beacon of what others should do. There are a lot more factors involved.
Vermont, the whitest, and more lib state in the country tried to do it and realized it was fiscal lunacy.
We need to get our diabetes problems under countrol, get a lot of the fat land whale ghetto leeches working and moving, same w the wal-mart scooter crowd, etc. Our spending on health care is out of control also because we waste tons on end of life worthless procedures which we would have to ration, which i have no problem with, but we need to be honest about it.
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i for one hopes that the politicians will find their way to the msg board of getbig because its here the solutions are presented.
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Per Capita we are much more dispersed as a population, much more unhealthy, have massive swaths of ghetto tax-sponges and parasites who will consume all of the resources unless there is massive rationing etc.
Not all countries that have single payer are a shining beacon of what others should do. There are a lot more factors involved.
Vermont, the whitest, and more lib state in the country tried to do it and realized it was fiscal lunacy.
We need to get our diabetes problems under countrol, get a lot of the fat land whale ghetto leeches working and moving, same w the wal-mart scooter crowd, etc. Our spending on health care is out of control also because we waste tons on end of life worthless procedures which we would have to ration, which i have no problem with, but we need to be honest about it.
Again, why would you be against a Single Payer System for Everyone and a Private Insurance for people dumb enough to still want to pay for that shit? Whats the problem?
Also, population dispersal is meaningless with Single Payer. They can go anywhere they want and it would still be WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYY Cheaper than what we have now.
Private Insurance is bleeding EVERYONE dry and its only going to get worse with Republican Obamacare 2.0.
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Again, why would you be against a Single Payer System for Everyone and a Private Insurance for people dumb enough to still want to pay for that shit? Whats the problem?
Also, population dispersal is meaningless with Single Payer. They can go anywhere they want and it would still be WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYY Cheaper than what we have now.
Private Insurance is bleeding EVERYONE dry and its only going to get worse with Republican Obamacare 2.0.
I just have little to zero faith that the govt can or would effectively manage this. Think US post office vs Fed Ex or Department of Motor Vehicles vs almost anything.
Insurance for medical is basically bankruptcy protection under Obamacare w the deductibles and co-pays so high. Its garbage - and TrumpCare will be no different.
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I just have little to zero faith that the govt can or would effectively manage this. Think US post office vs Fed Ex or Department of Motor Vehicles vs almost anything.
Insurance for medical is basically bankruptcy protection under Obamacare w the deductibles and co-pays so high. Its garbage - and TrumpCare will be no different.
The Government DOES NOT manage it.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?
No. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. The health systems in Great Britain and Spain are other examples. But in most European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan they have socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage medical practices or hospitals.
The term socialized medicine is often used to conjure up images of government bureaucratic interference in medical care. That does not describe what happens in countries with national health insurance where doctors and patients often have more clinical freedom than in the U.S., where bureaucrats attempt to direct care.
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So Donald Trump is a Socialist because he still and always has supported Single Payer Healthcare System? Right.
If he actually proposed while personally being involved in the writing of this last proposal, then yes he his. But since it was NEVER mentioned, suggested or proposed the obvious answer is no he isn't. So I'm gong to ask you the same question I asked Tu. If there is a government take over if the healthcare system like obama and orther knucklehead socialists want, what do you suppose would happen?
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I just have little to zero faith that the govt can or would effectively manage this. Think US post office vs Fed Ex or Department of Motor Vehicles vs almost anything.
Insurance for medical is basically bankruptcy protection under Obamacare w the deductibles and co-pays so high. Its garbage - and TrumpCare will be no different.
The Republicans in congress in 2006 screwed over the Post Office. They required pre-funding for health benefits for 75 years in advance which is unheard of in any sector. The Post Office posts a profit when that is taken out. Furthermore, the Post Office get 0 Dollars from tax money and IS NOT funded by any taxes so the cost is zero for each citizen. It runs on its own.
Fed-Ex is shit.
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The Government DOES NOT manage it.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?
No. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. The health systems in Great Britain and Spain are other examples. But in most European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan they have socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage medical practices or hospitals.
The term socialized medicine is often used to conjure up images of government bureaucratic interference in medical care. That does not describe what happens in countries with national health insurance where doctors and patients often have more clinical freedom than in the U.S., where bureaucrats attempt to direct care.
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If he actually proposed while personally being involved in the writing of this last proposal, then yes he his. But since it was NEVER mentioned, suggested or proposed the obvious answer is no he isn't. So I'm gong to ask you the same question I asked Tu. If there is a government take over if the healthcare system like obama and orther knucklehead socialists want, what do you suppose would happen?
https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-facts/top-10-things-to-know.htm
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The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.
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Aw jeez, not you too. You should know better.
classic projection from 333
pretty obvious that Soul Crusher/333 and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person
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https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-facts/top-10-things-to-know.htm
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The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.
That's not what I had asked. Once the government takes over healthcare they've taken over the economy, once they've taken over the economy they can do anything they want. It's all about power they couldn't give two shit about helping anyone.
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That's not what I had asked. Once the government takes over healthcare they've taken over the economy, once they've taken over the economy they can do anything they want. It's all about power they couldn't give two shit about helping anyone.
Again, with Single Payer, they are not taking over anything. Scroll back and read.
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A human head in a jar would make a better prez than Killary, but this guy is going to be an embarrassment I think...
Too cartoonish...
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Again, with Single Payer, they are not taking over anything. Scroll back and read.
Listen to the lecture.
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It would fucking kill you to put truth with common sense. You didn't even attempt to watch it did you?
Big truth seeker, are ya? Yes, this is you.
And your take on common sense is as laughable as your understanding of conservatism. Despite what you're told by AM radio and the Foxtards, hating libs doesn't make you conservative. There are (pre-Trump, anyway) principles involved; secrets concealed in books, mostly. So, forever elusive and all.
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A human head in a jar would make a better prez than Killary, but this guy is going to be an embarrassment I think...
Too cartoonish...
Agreed. Politics is really becoming a circus. It's pretty pathetic.
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Agreed. Politics is really becoming a circus. It's pretty pathetic.
You expected something different with trump? I still can't figure out if people that support trump are just trolling or just following party lines but any human with an ounce of brain could tell he'd be a fucking disaster. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman. Made billions fucking over the small guy then conner those same people to vote for him and they did. He then surrounded himself with the worst cabinet picks ever. The only smart people he chose are McMaster and mad dog. The fact he couldn't see what a fuck up Flynn was shows his bad judgment. Then Devos the sexy old kunt only got the job because she donated $7 million to his campaign. Sessions only got his job because he was one of the first to publicaly back Trump. The whole thing is a giant shit show.
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My man. Now if the orange faced buffoon would ever even have the balls to propose single payer or go on record and say
it's what he wants, I'd vote for him.
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My man. Now if the orange faced buffoon would ever even have the balls to propose single payer or go on record and say
it's what he wants, I'd vote for him.
Because it would destroy this country. Fact. You don't have to be an economist to figure this out.
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Because it would destroy this country. Fact. You don't have to be an economist to figure this out.
What do health care, education, police/fire departments, military and prisons have in common?
Not a single one of them should be for profit. FACT. Now go back to eating crayons.
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What do health care, education, police/fire departments, military and prisons have in common?
Not a single one of them should be for profit. FACT. Now go back to eating crayons.
Are you seriously that dumb?
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Are you seriously that dumb?
Why are you such a retard? You must be seriously trolling. Even a gnat is smarter.
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What do health care, education, police/fire departments, military and prisons have in common?
Not a single one of them should be for profit. FACT. Now go back to eating crayons.
They shouldn't be a profit to the exploitation and detriment of the people.
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You expected something different with trump? I still can't figure out if people that support trump are just trolling or just following party lines but any human with an ounce of brain could tell he'd be a fucking disaster. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman. Made billions fucking over the small guy then conner those same people to vote for him and they did. He then surrounded himself with the worst cabinet picks ever. The only smart people he chose are McMaster and mad dog. The fact he couldn't see what a fuck up Flynn was shows his bad judgment. Then Devos the sexy old kunt only got the job because she donated $7 million to his campaign. Sessions only got his job because he was one of the first to publicaly back Trump. The whole thing is a giant shit show.
I was hoping for something different but didn't expect anything to change.
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They shouldn't be a profit to the exploitation and detriment of the people.
Correct.
What do health care, education, police/fire departments, military and prisons have in common?
Not a single one of them should be for profit. FACT. Now go back to eating crayons.
I agree. Those are things that should not be profit centers.
Coach asks if you're retarded, but he will not give you ANY valid reason why those specific things SHOULD be profitable. Why would killing people or letting them die or helping them be for profit?
This guy claims to be a good Christian folks.
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What do health care, education, police/fire departments, military and prisons have in common?
Not a single one of them should be for profit. FACT. Now go back to eating crayons.
Wow complete ignorance. Some of the most corrupt organizations are non- profits like the notorious Clinton Foundation. The Clintons became multi- millionaires in the guise of charity. Go read a little and don't spout out like the ignorant dolt u obviously are ::)
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Wow complete ignorance. Some of the most corrupt organizations are non- profits like the notorious Clinton Foundation. The Clintons became multi- millionaires in the guise of charity. Go read a little and don't spout out like the ignorant dolt u obviously are ::)
Why is it either or?
Surely just because non profits are criminal and corrupt doesn't equate to services involving people's lives needing to be for profit.
Where is the correlation?
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Given that Mr Trump seems so cavalier with classified information why would any other Nato government provide intelligence to the USA?
He's negotiating. Remember he's the master negotiator. He gives the Russians classified info and in return they burn the tapes of the Russian whores giving him a golden shower. How do you think his skin is so orange?
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Correct.
I agree. Those are things that should not be profit centers.
Coach asks if you're retarded, but he will not give you ANY valid reason why those specific things SHOULD be profitable. Why would killing people or letting them die or helping them be for profit?
This guy claims to be a good Christian folks.
Tu show me in the constitution where healthcare is a right. It is a privilege.
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Why is it either or?
Surely just because non profits are criminal and corrupt doesn't equate to services involving people's lives needing to be for profit.
Where is the correlation?
Tell that to the physician who faces litigation at every corner and is already constrained by the insurance companies. I'll be all for a single pay or system if all able bodied Americans contributed to the system, they tax the hell out of life threatening habits like cigarettes, and lawyers go take a hike. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime in our lives. The Democrats are takers only. Entitled and lazy bastards who expect everyone else to care for them.
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Tu show me in the constitution where healthcare is a right. It is a privilege.
No offense, but who cares what the constitution says in regards to healthcare.
Let's not look to a 250 year old document to dictate healthcare. That's too much of a stretch.
That's not a good argument against healthcare being a right or privilege.
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Tu show me in the constitution where healthcare is a right. It is a privilege.
It is of course not spelled out directly, but you could make a case that the phrase"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." could be interpreted as a provision for healthcare.
Let's say it is not though... I'll go that route, no problem.
Does the country not inherently become stronger if more people are healthy to work? If more people are not on disability due to preventive care?
Is that not in the best interest of the nation as a whole? Including reducing the cost for healthcare and in turn, saving us all money? If single payer is cheaper than your current insurance, and it's just as good, why would we not want that?
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Wow complete ignorance. Some of the most corrupt organizations are non- profits like the notorious Clinton Foundation. The Clintons became multi- millionaires in the guise of charity. Go read a little and don't spout out like the ignorant dolt u obviously are ::)
I thought the clintons made millions because he was the POTUS.
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It is of course not spelled out directly, but you could make a case that the phrase"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." could be interpreted as a provision for healthcare.
Let's say it is not though... I'll go that route, no problem.
Does the country not inherently become stronger if more people are healthy to work? If more people are not on disability due to preventive care?
Is that not in the best interest of the nation as a whole? Including reducing the cost for healthcare and in turn, saving us all money? If single payer is cheaper than your current insurance, and it's just as good, why would we not want that?
Science has shown an almost perfect correlation between happiness and health. Thus, healthcare should be a right even if the constitution does not say so. They weren't doing this sort of research 250 years ago.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-james-comey-memo/index.html
:D
I stopped reading at:
"according to sources familiar with the matter."
Fake news!
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I stopped reading at:
"according to sources familiar with the matter."
Fake news!
Comey is going to testify about the memos. He will be impeached. ;)
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No offense, but who cares what the constitution says in regards to healthcare.
Let's not look to a 250 year old document to dictate healthcare. That's too much of a stretch.
That's not a good argument against healthcare being a right or privilege.
Yes. That same wonderful, flawless document that deemed Negroes to be 3/5 of a human being.
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Yes. That same wonderful, flawless document that deemed Negroes to be 3/5 of a human being.
It was amended. Show me where all those Obamacare enrolled are suddenly healthier and now working and contributing to society. Liberals always looking for a handout.
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As a cancer survivor, I agree w guaranteeing care for pre-existing conditions. However, I am willing to work and pay a higher premium if needed. My beef is with the millions of able bodied Americans who leach off the system and others working back.
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It was amended. Show me where all those Obamacare enrolled are suddenly healthier and now working and contributing to society. Liberals always looking for a handout.
So it could be amended again. Thank you.
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Yes. That same wonderful, flawless document that deemed Negroes to be 3/5 of a human being.
Are you saying that was too generous?
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So it could be amended again. Thank you.
After seeing how efficient government institutes like social security, DMV, and even the post office do you really want to put all your eggs in the government running healthcare. Talk about a job killer; you would immediately put several million Americans out of work who work for insurers i.e. BCBS, Aetna, Humana, United Healthcare, etc.
Then, look at the unabated mess that the ACA website is and how difficult it is to navigate. Imagine the government putting their resources behind a third rate website and the average American trying to get healthcare. Also, TA and AbrahamG and SF1900, how are you going to pay for a single server healthcare for all Americans.
Will the 50 percent who pay all taxes just contribute that much more off their back to support the millions who contribute very little to none. Will their be a VAT tax beyond the usual state and federal income taxes. Just explain to me in simple terms how this would work? How do you justify essentially firing thousands if not millions of Americans by essentially making private insurance a non-entity. How would that even work without lawsuits and legal ramifications from the insurance industry? I always hear about one payor for all but the implementation logically does not appear to be so easy to accomplish.
Please enlighten this low life uneducated Cretan capitalist. I am very willing to be educated further on the manner by the progressive elite of Getbig.
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Tell that to the physician who faces litigation at every corner and is already constrained by the insurance companies. I'll be all for a single pay or system if all able bodied Americans contributed to the system, they tax the hell out of life threatening habits like cigarettes, and lawyers go take a hike. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime in our lives. The Democrats are takers only. Entitled and lazy bastards who expect everyone else to care for them.
These things are all extremely likely in a single payer healthcare scenario I believe.
I think lawsuits against cigarette manufacturers should be automatically denied if you are my age or younger. In my life smoking has always been "bad" for you and no one my age or younger has been fooled into smoking not knowing the risks.
So perhaps if you're 50 or so, you can sue, but any younger and forget it.
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After seeing how efficient government institutes like social security, DMV, and even the post office do you really want to put all your eggs in the government running healthcare. Talk about a job killer; you would immediately put several million Americans out of work who work for insurers i.e. BCBS, Aetna, Humana, United Healthcare, etc.
Then, look at the unabated mess that the ACA website is and how difficult it is to navigate. Imagine the government putting their resources behind a third rate website and the average American trying to get healthcare. Also, TA and AbrahamG and SF1900, how are you going to pay for a single server healthcare for all Americans.
Will the 50 percent who pay all taxes just contribute that much more off their back to support the millions who contribute very little to none. Will their be a VAT tax beyond the usual state and federal income taxes. Just explain to me in simple terms how this would work? How do you justify essentially firing thousands if not millions of Americans by essentially making private insurance a non-entity. How would that even work without lawsuits and legal ramifications from the insurance industry? I always hear about one payor for all but the implementation logically does not appear to be so easy to accomplish.
Please enlighten this low life uneducated Cretan capitalist. I am very willing to be educated further on the manner by the progressive elite of Getbig.
I never said I had the answer. I just said that we should not look toward a 250 year old document to dictate healthcare. We need to look toward good evidence in order to dictate our plan of action.
Again, I don't have the answer--I just want peoples opinions to be grounded in good evidence, whatever that may be. Thus, saying, "Healthcare is not a right because its not in our constitution" is not a good argument. Your other arguments were much better.
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After seeing how efficient government institutes like social security, DMV, and even the post office do you really want to put all your eggs in the government running healthcare. Talk about a job killer; you would immediately put several million Americans out of work who work for insurers i.e. BCBS, Aetna, Humana, United Healthcare, etc.
This may be true, but they would shift to the same positions under the single payer government group perhaps? Then we can argue about the government having more people in it.
The ACA (Obamacare) gave the insurers more people and in reality was a big cause of job creation in that sector to handle the extra people.
Now, I would have to focus on this as a project personally, but I am sure we could come up with a good solution that does save money and lower costs and provide the same care, if I and perhaps others, maybe such as yourself truly focused a little to really have the perfect plan.
Now, I do agree that a lot of government institutions are pretty sad, but the Post Office is not one of them.
If you were to give me back my SS money and let me invest it, or not require drivers licenses or registrations or any of the other crap, I'd be ecstatic.
We both know that will never happen. :/
Just to be clear though, the government waste is across the board and if we are going to stop some of these, that's fine, but let's also cut back on our defense budget which is way overblown.
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After seeing how efficient government institutes like social security, DMV, and even the post office do you really want to put all your eggs in the government running healthcare. Talk about a job killer; you would immediately put several million Americans out of work who work for insurers i.e. BCBS, Aetna, Humana, United Healthcare, etc.
Social security does work. It is presently funded for at least 25 more years. Raise the taxation cap just a little and you fund it for a hundred. We have secretary of state in Michigan, not dmv. Honestly, they have their shit together here. No complaints. Make appointments online and since I've started using it, if my appointment is say 9am, I am back in my car by 9:05. Not exaggerating at all. While I'd be sorry for rank and file pencil pushers for these companies that lose their jobs, they aren't paid well as all the dough goes to the corporation. I'm sure making everything government run would create just as many and probably more jobs than were lost and those people would be compensated much better.
Then, look at the unabated mess that the ACA website is and how difficult it is to navigate. Imagine the government putting their resources behind a third rate website and the average American trying to get healthcare. Also, TA and AbrahamG and SF1900, how are you going to pay for a single server healthcare for all Americans.
My best friend (functioning retard by the way. not really, but technically illiterate. hard life to be sure.) He was able to navigate the website with the help of his wife and to be honest, the ACA may have saved his life. If not saved his life, got him healthy enough to keep working and paying taxes and contributing to America. Long story short, he was able to get a colonoscopy which paved the way to his being with us still.
Will the 50 percent who pay all taxes just contribute that much more off their back to support the millions who contribute very little to none. Will their be a VAT tax beyond the usual state and federal income taxes. Just explain to me in simple terms how this would work? How do you justify essentially firing thousands if not millions of Americans by essentially making private insurance a non-entity. How would that even work without lawsuits and legal ramifications from the insurance industry? I always hear about one payor for all but the implementation logically does not appear to be so easy to accomplish.
Not sure what the tax percentage increase would be, but it should be progressive in nature. We use my wifes insurance as it is better than what my work provides. It still takes $194 out of her bi-weekly paychecks. I would bet both testicles that if I could opt in to medicare for all that we would not pay an extra $194 in taxes every two weeks.
Please enlighten this low life uneducated Cretan capitalist. I am very willing to be educated further on the manner by the progressive elite of Getbig.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Also, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back about how hard you work and what you contribute. Like most of us, I'll bet circumstance, race and luck play a part in the quality of your life. Also, don't assume that people who get govt assistance are largely pieces of shit. They are not. Most of the assistance govt "hands out" goes to people who are working but get paid shit with little or no benefits. Why don't you cry about huge corporations like Wal Mart and McDonalds and the huge percentage of their employees who get govt help? If they paid accordingly, millions of people wouldn't be getting govt assistance. Oh, and before you go on about what fast food will cost, let me be the first to say too fucking bad. Their should not be a dollar menu in the 21st century. Nor should their be dollar stores. It is cheaper to feed my family at McDonald's today than it was for my parents to feed us 20-25 years ago. That is just backwards and shows a lack of progress. Thanks trickle down. Any more questions?
In case you haven't figured it out yet, my responses are in red.
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I'd give Trump's first 115 days a 10 outta 10. Comedy gold. Daily. Entertaining as fuck.
It is literally comedy gold. Ratings of late-night talk shows are off the charts, because their entire monologues are about Trump, and viewers appear to enjoy it. Trevor Noah can thank Trump for saving his job, because his Daily Show ratings were brutal, and after Trump got elected and he started doing Trump monologues like the others, his ratings have rose considerably and saved his job.
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Holy crap, epic meltdown about politics lol. Geez, getting so angry about TAs position lol
;D ;D
Been quiet the last couple of weeks watching everything unfold..
What a mess..
;D ;D
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A failure that's getting more spectacular by the day.
Shouldn't be long now ...
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In case you haven't figured it out yet, my responses are in red.
Try the DMV in Florida...ie Miami. That is will change your mind about efficiency. As for SS, let's see if it is solvent when you hit 65. It is on life support to such a degree that there have been overtures to privatize it in the past. If it were so solvent, why would that happen? It is definitely not solvent for 25 years ::) ::) ::)
https://www.thestreet.com/story/12846326/1/social-security-disability-fund-on-life-support-in-2-years.html
As far as your admittedly retarded friend, I should have emphasized able bodied and not mentally compromised. I agree totally that those who are disabled or impaired should have access to benefits 100%. That is a duty of the citizens of America. I am not down supporting dirtbags who are 20 and able bodied and don't get a job.
As far as paying for a single payor system, a progressive tax is nice if all individuals contribute even a sliver. In my opinion, if you don't have skin in the game you won't take the insurance seriously. It is easy to gamble with house money, which is essentially what is occurring with the ACA. Even then, many insurers are leaving the exchanges ie Aetna, and deductibles are rising.
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I still am holding out hopes for saving US manufacturing, Closed Borders and the end of Bad Trade Deals.
Healthcare will be a complete disaster if he signs it into law as is. Other than that, nothing really has been accomplished thus far.
Trump is still a much better choice than Hillary. The main benefit is getting away from political correctness and victim mentality, although I am seeing alot of that "Victimhood" from the right. They are still worthless on abortion, healthcare and Science and I am not sure if they will ever come to reason in those areas. Anyways, hoping for the best!
I know you drank the Trump Kool-Aid during the election but do you really think he is going to save US manufacturing or "fix" the so called bad trade deals.
In the short time he's been in office he's not only publicly admitted the job is much harder than he thought it would be but he's demonstrated that he is virtually clueless and how to get anything done and doesn't seem to be that interested in learning how to do the job or even get competent advisors to help him.
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Try the DMV in Florida...ie Miami. That is will change your mind about efficiency. As for SS, let's see if it is solvent when you hit 65. It is on life support to such a degree that there have been overtures to privatize it in the past. If it were so solvent, why would that happen? It is definitely not solvent for 25 years ::) ::) ::)
https://www.thestreet.com/story/12846326/1/social-security-disability-fund-on-life-support-in-2-years.html
As far as your admittedly retarded friend, I should have emphasized able bodied and not mentally compromised. I agree totally that those who are disabled or impaired should have access to benefits 100%. That is a duty of the citizens of America. I am not down supporting dirtbags who are 20 and able bodied and don't get a job.
As far as paying for a single payor system, a progressive tax is nice if all individuals contribute even a sliver. In my opinion, if you don't have skin in the game you won't take the insurance seriously. It is easy to gamble with house money, which is essentially what is occurring with the ACA. Even then, many insurers are leaving the exchanges ie Aetna, and deductibles are rising.
Like I said previously, social security is just fine. My friend is functionally illiterate to be technical. I agree, 20 year olds should be working or at the very least, trying to work. We agree here. I have no problem with the skin in the game thing and agree that everyone should pay in. Except for those that are paid so poorly that they are below the poverty line. Corporations need to have a soul and regain a sense of community as they once did. Yes, they need to make money, but they don't need to horde it all at the top. CEO's making 300 times what their average employees make is obscene at best. Pre-Reagan it was 10-20 times. And those people still did fine.
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It is literally comedy gold. Rating of late-night talk shows are off the charts, because their entire monologues are about Trump, and viewers appear to enjoy it. Trevor Noah can thank Trump for saving his job, because his Daily Show ratings were brutal, and after Trump got elected and he started doing Trump monologues like the others, his rating have rose considerably and saved his job.
Definitely entertaining. I know mocking Trump is picking low hanging fruit, but who could resist. ;D
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http://www.aei.org/publication/milton-friedmans-response-to-obamacare-the-economics-of-medical-care-from-1978-at-the-mayo-clinic/
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Tu show me in the constitution where healthcare is a right. It is a privilege.
Show us where education is a right. We still pay for schools whether we use them or not.
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It is literally comedy gold. Rating of late-night talk shows are off the charts, because their entire monologues are about Trump, and viewers appear to enjoy it. Trevor Noah can thank Trump for saving his job, because his Daily Show ratings were brutal, and after Trump got elected and he started doing Trump monologues like the others, his rating have rose considerably and saved his job.
The liberal media must have a love-hate relationship with him. They hate him as a leader but must be grateful for him at the same time. Once he's gone, their ratings will drop and they'll again slip back into irrelevance.
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Tu show me in the constitution where healthcare is a right. It is a privilege.
It's not a privilege. It's a service. You pay for it.
Inequity arises when people don't pay their fair share and the rest of us have to foot the bill. This happens under government programs as well as insurer run care.
Therefore, I modestly propose that people put aside money for their medical expenses and simply pay for the quackery they receive. Naturally, they are free not to do so if they are of the live fast/die young school. What could be fairer? You pay for what you get.
Who doesn't? The elderly, in particular, are detriments to the bottom line. They are endlessly plagued with one affliction or another. Always at the doctor's. Are they paying their fair share? The physically and/or mentally unsound, although fewer in number than the decrepit, present a dire strain to any system which foolishly volunteers to fund them. Having never been able to work, they leach. And since they're not feebly knocking upon St Peter's door, it's likely they'll continue to enjoy free lunches for many years.
Another class of these panhandling freeloaders are children. Granted, the more industrious are mowing lawns etc, but the majority have eaten and video gamed themselves into obesity and diabeetus. Infants are notorious deadbeats who spend most of their lives lying around and having their every desire attended posthaste. And then we wonder where a sense of entitlement comes from.
But I digress. Either someone can afford a service or he can't. Who's with me?
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It's not a privilege. It's a service. You pay for it.
Inequity arises when people don't pay their fair share and the rest of us have to foot the bill. This happens under government programs as well as insurer run care.
Therefore, I modestly propose that people put aside money for their medical expenses and simply pay for the quackery they receive. Naturally, they are free not to do so if they are of the live fast/die young school. What could be fairer? You pay for what you get.
Who doesn't? The elderly, in particular, are detriments to the bottom line. They are endlessly plagued with one affliction or another. Always at the doctor's. Are they paying their fair share? The physically and/or mentally unsound, although fewer in number than the decrepit, present a dire strain to any system which foolishly volunteers to fund them. Having never been able to work, they leach. And since they're not feebly knocking upon St Peter's door, it's likely they'll continue to enjoy free lunches for many years.
Another class of these panhandling freeloaders are children. Granted, the more industrious are mowing lawns etc, but the majority have eaten and video gamed themselves into obesity and diabeetus. Infants are notorious deadbeats who spend most of their lives lying around and having their every desire attended posthaste. And then we wonder where a sense of entitlement comes from.
But I digress. Either someone can afford a service or he can't. Who's with me?
You miss my point. I do not believe in socialized medicine. I believe you pay for your healthcare. It is not a right. If you have the ability to pay you have the privilege of getting good care.
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After seeing how efficient government institutes like social security, DMV, and even the post office do you really want to put all your eggs in the government running healthcare. Talk about a job killer; you would immediately put several million Americans out of work who work for insurers i.e. BCBS, Aetna, Humana, United Healthcare, etc.
Then, look at the unabated mess that the ACA website is and how difficult it is to navigate. Imagine the government putting their resources behind a third rate website and the average American trying to get healthcare. Also, TA and AbrahamG and SF1900, how are you going to pay for a single server healthcare for all Americans.
Will the 50 percent who pay all taxes just contribute that much more off their back to support the millions who contribute very little to none. Will their be a VAT tax beyond the usual state and federal income taxes. Just explain to me in simple terms how this would work? How do you justify essentially firing thousands if not millions of Americans by essentially making private insurance a non-entity. How would that even work without lawsuits and legal ramifications from the insurance industry? I always hear about one payor for all but the implementation logically does not appear to be so easy to accomplish.
Please enlighten this low life uneducated Cretan capitalist. I am very willing to be educated further on the manner by the progressive elite of Getbig.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
This link addresses everything and is from Physicians. Here is what the link addresses:
Single-Payer FAQ
To view a two-page handout covering frequently asked questions about single-payer national health insurance, click here.
What is single payer?
Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
What about the proposal to lower the eligibility age for Medicare to 55?
Won’t this result in rationing like in Canada?
Who will run the health care system?
What about medical research?
Won’t this just be another bureaucracy?
How will we keep costs down if everyone has access to comprehensive health care?
Will bundled payments and "paying for value" in health care reduce costs?
How will we keep doctors from doing too many procedures?
What will happen to physician incomes?
Under single payer, won't physician incomes go down?
How will we keep drug prices under control?
Why shouldn’t we let people buy better health care if they can afford it?
What will be covered?
What about alternative care, will it be covered?
Can a business keep private insurance if they choose?
What will happen to all of the people who work for insurance companies?
How will we contain costs with the population aging?
What about ERISA? Doesn’t it stand in the way of states implementing universal health care plans?
How will the Health Planning Board operate?
Since we could finance a fairly good system, like the Norwegian, Danish or Swedish system, with the public money we are already spending (60% of health costs), why do we need to raise the additional 40% (from employers and individuals)?
How much of the health care dollar is publicly financed?
Why not MSAs/HSAs?
Why not use tax subsidies to help the uninsured buy health insurance?
What is PNHP’s response to libertarian proposals for health savings accounts and deregulated insurance plans?
Won’t competition be impeded by a universal health care system?
Why not make people who are higher risk pay higher premiums?
Won’t this raise my taxes?
Isn’t a payroll tax unfair to small businesses?
Walter Reed Army Medical Center has been in the news lately for poor care and treatment of returning soldiers from Iraq. Won’t national health insurance have similar problems?
What about incremental reform of the health system?
What happens to investor-owned hospitals under national health insurance (NHI)?
What proportion of health spending is for undocumented immigrants?
The insurance industry says that PNHP’s figures on administrative costs are outdated. Is this true?
How much could the states save on administrative waste by adopting a statewide single-payer program?
What will happen to malpractice costs under national health insurance?
Should PNHP support a public Medicare-like option in a market of private plans?
Would a “public plan option” at least be a step in the right direction?
Universal healthcare is okay for a small country or organization like Switzerland, Canada, or the Veterans Administration, but it wouldn’t work when scaled up to meet the needs of a large country like the US.
Responses to recent attacks on single payer health reform: Ideology Masquerading as Scholarship
When Canada adopted single payer, did she allow labor unions to opt-out and “keep what they have.”
What does PNHP have to say about the primary care workforce shortage?
What is a Voucher Plan? What’s Wrong With It?
What about the claim (in videos circulating on the internet) that a patient in Canada would have died of a brain tumor if he hadn’t come to the U.S. for an MRI?
How much do private insurance companies spend on overhead and profit?
Doesn't the threat of filibuster prevent fundamental reform?
Will the Obama health plan cover all young adults?
The number of uninsured Americans now exceeds 50.7 million people according to the Census Bureau. Won't the Obama health plan cover them?
What about report cards on physicians? Won't they reduce costs and improve quality?
Why are health care costs rising and how can single payer "bend the cost curve"?
What is PNHP view of ACO's?
What is PNHP's perspective on the Medicare crisis?
What is driving an epidemic of adverse reactions to medications in the U.S.? What impact could a single payer system have on this epidemic?
What about pushing to make health care a "human right"? Is that a good strategy?
US infant mortality is not high compared to other countries. It just appears that way because of the way we classify life births
Can the ACA exchanges serve as a stepping stone to single-payer reform?
Why is important to prohibit hospitals and health systems from retaining an operating surplus?
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You miss my point. I do not believe in socialized medicine. I believe you pay for your healthcare. It is not a right. If you have the ability to pay you have the privilege of getting good care.
What about people in rural areas where wages may not be high enough to afford Healthcare dictated by an Insurance Company?
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Like I said previously, social security is just fine. My friend is functionally illiterate to be technical. I agree, 20 year olds should be working or at the very least, trying to work. We agree here. I have no problem with the skin in the game thing and agree that everyone should pay in. Except for those that are paid so poorly that they are below the poverty line. Corporations need to have a soul and regain a sense of community as they once did. Yes, they need to make money, but they don't need to horde it all at the top. CEO's making 300 times what their average employees make is obscene at best. Pre-Reagan it was 10-20 times. And those people still did fine.
Abraham, show me an article from an independent non left leaning website that states that social security if fine. I can cite hundreds of articles from business minded websites that are apolitical in a sense that show that it is definitely not fine. I think even more concerning than SS is the disability trust fund from the government which is on its last legs.
The only way to keep SS solvent is either to increase the workforce...dramatically down overall in the Obama years....or increase taxes. Neither is appetizing or likely.
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What about people in rural areas where wages may not be high enough to afford Healthcare dictated by an Insurance Company?
TA...the problem with the current system is people have little choice. Open up the market to all comers, and they will have a plan that will fit just about everyone. If you are young and healthy, you don't need a Cadillac healthcare plan. You can essentially pay a modest sum for so called catastrophic insurance so if something truly officious occurred like a MVA you would not go bankrupt. If you are like me and had cancer at a young age, I had lymphoma, I agree about the no pre-existing medical condition rules, but I am intelligent enough to realize that my rate will be higher which is appropriate. My concern with a single payer system is how to finance it fairly for all, and frankly I don't like the government dictating my healthcare. They are a bureaucracy that already hamstrings patient care inordinately, and I think ultimately thee free market will win out.
For instance, if you don't want Verizon or AT&T, there are innumerable low cost alternatives that provide 90 percent of the service at a more modest and reasonable price. If you stifle competition and the government has complete control, I see nothing good coming out of it longterm.
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Republicans seem to think the government has money. They don't have money. They are an escrow service that collects taxes then sends it out to cover bills. The gov is not a profiting org. Nothing comes out of their pockets.
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http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq
This link addresses everything and is from Physicians. Here is what the link addresses:
Single-Payer FAQ
To view a two-page handout covering frequently asked questions about single-payer national health insurance, click here.
What is single payer?
Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
What about the proposal to lower the eligibility age for Medicare to 55?
Won’t this result in rationing like in Canada?
Who will run the health care system?
What about medical research?
Won’t this just be another bureaucracy?
How will we keep costs down if everyone has access to comprehensive health care?
Will bundled payments and "paying for value" in health care reduce costs?
How will we keep doctors from doing too many procedures?
What will happen to physician incomes?
Under single payer, won't physician incomes go down?
How will we keep drug prices under control?
Why shouldn’t we let people buy better health care if they can afford it?
What will be covered?
What about alternative care, will it be covered?
Can a business keep private insurance if they choose?
What will happen to all of the people who work for insurance companies?
How will we contain costs with the population aging?
What about ERISA? Doesn’t it stand in the way of states implementing universal health care plans?
How will the Health Planning Board operate?
Since we could finance a fairly good system, like the Norwegian, Danish or Swedish system, with the public money we are already spending (60% of health costs), why do we need to raise the additional 40% (from employers and individuals)?
How much of the health care dollar is publicly financed?
Why not MSAs/HSAs?
Why not use tax subsidies to help the uninsured buy health insurance?
What is PNHP’s response to libertarian proposals for health savings accounts and deregulated insurance plans?
Won’t competition be impeded by a universal health care system?
Why not make people who are higher risk pay higher premiums?
Won’t this raise my taxes?
Isn’t a payroll tax unfair to small businesses?
Walter Reed Army Medical Center has been in the news lately for poor care and treatment of returning soldiers from Iraq. Won’t national health insurance have similar problems?
What about incremental reform of the health system?
What happens to investor-owned hospitals under national health insurance (NHI)?
What proportion of health spending is for undocumented immigrants?
The insurance industry says that PNHP’s figures on administrative costs are outdated. Is this true?
How much could the states save on administrative waste by adopting a statewide single-payer program?
What will happen to malpractice costs under national health insurance?
Should PNHP support a public Medicare-like option in a market of private plans?
Would a “public plan option” at least be a step in the right direction?
Universal healthcare is okay for a small country or organization like Switzerland, Canada, or the Veterans Administration, but it wouldn’t work when scaled up to meet the needs of a large country like the US.
Responses to recent attacks on single payer health reform: Ideology Masquerading as Scholarship
When Canada adopted single payer, did she allow labor unions to opt-out and “keep what they have.”
What does PNHP have to say about the primary care workforce shortage?
What is a Voucher Plan? What’s Wrong With It?
What about the claim (in videos circulating on the internet) that a patient in Canada would have died of a brain tumor if he hadn’t come to the U.S. for an MRI?
How much do private insurance companies spend on overhead and profit?
Doesn't the threat of filibuster prevent fundamental reform?
Will the Obama health plan cover all young adults?
The number of uninsured Americans now exceeds 50.7 million people according to the Census Bureau. Won't the Obama health plan cover them?
What about report cards on physicians? Won't they reduce costs and improve quality?
Why are health care costs rising and how can single payer "bend the cost curve"?
What is PNHP view of ACO's?
What is PNHP's perspective on the Medicare crisis?
What is driving an epidemic of adverse reactions to medications in the U.S.? What impact could a single payer system have on this epidemic?
What about pushing to make health care a "human right"? Is that a good strategy?
US infant mortality is not high compared to other countries. It just appears that way because of the way we classify life births
Can the ACA exchanges serve as a stepping stone to single-payer reform?
Why is important to prohibit hospitals and health systems from retaining an operating surplus?
Still haven't watched the lecture have you?
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Republicans seem to think the government has money. They don't have money. They are an escrow service that collects taxes then sends it out to cover bills. The gov is not a profiting org. Nothing comes out of their pockets.
False we understand that the government gets their money from tax dollars but is incapable of paying their bills completely without borrowing money from China and other countries. They spend too much on wasteful programs and because of the pork of D.C. they are unable to make the difficult choices and get rid of plans and agencies that are wasteful and not efficient. Democrats think the government is made of money. I don't know a Republican who is getting a welfare check; I would guess the ratio is 95 to 5 Dem to Republican.
BTW...the escrow service terminology is laughable. Tell me any Escrow that doles out more than they have ::)
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False we understand that the government gets their money from tax dollars but is incapable of paying their bills completely without borrowing money from China and other countries. They spend too much on wasteful programs and because of the pork of D.C. they are unable to make the difficult choices and get rid of plans and agencies that are wasteful and not efficient. Democrats think the government is made of money. I don't know a Republican who is getting a welfare check; I would guess the ratio is 95 to 5 Dem to Republican.
BTW...the escrow service terminology is laughable. Tell me any Escrow that doles out more than they have ::)
Most of the Alt-Right are on welfare or do not want/or have a job. I have had some hilarious PWNINGS of them on Twitter. One said to me, "Whats the point of trying to get a job when I will just get fired when they figure out that I support the Alt-Right. Better to focus on getting our message across on social media".
I think you are removed from the average Republican, because they are just as much on welfare as the Democrat bums.
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Trump needs to get rid of a lot of his staff who have loose lips and are leaking every bit of info they can. Especially the never Trumpers that are in power there.
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Still waiting for anything that was going to happen.
There is no try, pillowpants.
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You expected something different with trump? I still can't figure out if people that support trump are just trolling or just following party lines but any human with an ounce of brain could tell he'd be a fucking disaster. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman. Made billions fucking over the small guy then conner those same people to vote for him and they did. He then surrounded himself with the worst cabinet picks ever. The only smart people he chose are McMaster and mad dog. The fact he couldn't see what a fuck up Flynn was shows his bad judgment. Then Devos the sexy old kunt only got the job because she donated $7 million to his campaign. Sessions only got his job because he was one of the first to publicaly back Trump. The whole thing is a giant shit show.
I read about a 1950s TV Western which featured a certain character named Trump. He sold snake-oil, while peddling a gimmick to "build a wall" to save the other characters. Saying he's the "only one" who can make it happen. No shit.
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TA...the problem with the current system is people have little choice. Open up the market to all comers, and they will have a plan that will fit just about everyone. If you are young and healthy, you don't need a Cadillac healthcare plan. You can essentially pay a modest sum for so called catastrophic insurance so if something truly officious occurred like a MVA you would not go bankrupt. If you are like me and had cancer at a young age, I had lymphoma, I agree about the no pre-existing medical condition rules, but I am intelligent enough to realize that my rate will be higher which is appropriate. My concern with a single payer system is how to finance it fairly for all, and frankly I don't like the government dictating my healthcare. They are a bureaucracy that already hamstrings patient care inordinately, and I think ultimately thee free market will win out.
For instance, if you don't want Verizon or AT&T, there are innumerable low cost alternatives that provide 90 percent of the service at a more modest and reasonable price. If you stifle competition and the government has complete control, I see nothing good coming out of it longterm.
You're a doctor, though, so you can probably afford to tell everyone to fuck off.
Maybe you should count your blessings instead of complaining so much. ???
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Most of the Alt-Right are on welfare or do not want/or have a job. I have had some hilarious PWNINGS of them on Twitter. One said to me, "Whats the point of trying to get a job when I will just get fired when they figure out that I support the Alt-Right. Better to focus on getting our message across on social media".
I think you are removed from the average Republican, because they are just as much on welfare as the Democrat bums.
TA unfortunately the Alt right are nothing more than racist, idiotic sum. Hey I can't stand BLM's anymore than the next guy but I have a lot of black friends who are unbelievably intelligent and hard working. These alt right loons were used as fodder for Trump, but I believe the majority of his support was from middle America tired of getting the finger from big government. If a fascist pig like Hitler had money and backing they would support him. True conservatives are not racist; they believe in limited government and hard work.
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There is only one major political party in the world that doesn't support universal single payer health insurance. It is also the only party in the world that rejects man made global warming.
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You're a doctor, though, so you can probably afford to tell everyone to fuck off.
Maybe you should count your blessings instead of complaining so much. ???
Actually I have a lot of pt's that I see for no charge if they are ill, working but struggling to feed their kids or family, or have severe debility. I am one of the only physicians in the area to take Medicaid, and I am a specialist. I think more physicians would take care of those less fortunate but trying if they could get tort reform and a write off. I think the government throws money at the problem but that doesn't work. Have u ever seen Section 8 housing. Tenants pay very little but they still can't maintain their properties. Another instance is food stamps; in FL a lot of the users go to the strip clubs.
http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/i-team-ebt-money-taken-out-at-strip-clubs-850k-at-liquor-stores/
Once again my point is that a single payer system will fail in our country as too many people are looking for a hand out and not working. If they could implement a system with work requirements and consequences for poor lifestyle choices than Bernie and his compadres may put together something useful. I for one don't see it happening.
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There is only one major political party in the world that doesn't support universal single payer health insurance. It is also the only party in the world that rejects man made global warming.
Ok if ur going to make such a blanket statement for the whole world, why not back it up with some facts not the Huffington Post or Politico. I am waiting with bated breath. BTW dipshit, say what you will about American medicine but we are universally known to provide the best care. Ask rich Canadians who fly down to the states for surgery. Go to MD Anderson and watch all the foreigners with suitcases of cash coming to get the best cancer care in the world. Idiotic blanket statements like yours just reinforce the stupidity of the left. At least TA is intelligent and argues his points well.
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Actually I have a lot of pt's that I see for no charge if they are ill, working but struggling to feed their kids or family, or have severe debility. I am one of the only physicians in the area to take Medicaid, and I am a specialist. I think more physicians would take care of those less fortunate but trying if they could get tort reform and a write off. I think the government throws money at the problem but that doesn't work. Have u ever seen Section 8 housing. Tenants pay very little but they still can't maintain their properties. Another instance is food stamps; in FL a lot of the users go to the strip clubs.
http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/i-team-ebt-money-taken-out-at-strip-clubs-850k-at-liquor-stores/
Once again my point is that a single payer system will fail in our country as too many people are looking for a hand out and not working. If they could implement a system with work requirements and consequences for poor lifestyle choices than Bernie and his compadres may put together something useful. I for one don't see it happening.
I'd like to know your thoughts on modern immigration.
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Ok if ur going to make such a blanket statement for the whole world, why not back it up with some facts not the Huffington Post or Politico. I am waiting with bated breath. BTW dipshit, say what you will about American medicine but we are universally known to provide the best care. Ask rich Canadians who fly down to the states for surgery. Go to MD Anderson and watch all the foreigners with suitcases of cash coming to get the best cancer care in the world. Idiotic blanket statements like yours just reinforce the stupidity of the left. At least TA is intelligent and argues his points well.
Poor Americans come here and use our medical system as well.
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I'd like to know your thoughts on modern immigration.
I differ from Trump. I think if you can bring over someone who is willing to assimilate and learn the language and culture, and wants to becoming a contributing member of society and pay their taxes, I absolutely welcome anyone who comes over legally. Why do you think the huge multi-billion companies like Apple and Google hate the idea of limiting H1 visas; these are PhD level individuals who are brilliant and will work cheaper than an American worker. Moreover, there is a glut of PhD's from foreign nations and a dearth here in the US. Thus, to limit intelligent individuals from entering the US because of where they are from is ludicrous. However, I do not like foreigners coming over and learning our trade secrets and then going back to China or India or Slovakia and disseminating our knowledge. I think we should bring over people who have an interest in living in the USA.
As for illegal aliens, I think this is a simple black and white matter. If I or any other American were caught in a foregin country illegally we would be arrested or deported. No questions asked. We certainly would not get food stamps or welfare benefits. I say offer a voluntary deportation of illegals who do not pay taxes this coming year. No questions asked and no penalties. Then, set up a system where people can legally come into the nation on legal work visas. I don't think it is that hard. I think the wall may be some great symbolic symbol but anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that the cost will not be building the beast; it will be upkeep and securing the wall anyway.
In my opinion, I could care less if hispanics continue to grow in percentage. I think if conservatives...theoreti cally Republicans....were smart and not fear based that minorities would actually see that following the Democratic ideology has done nothing but keep minorities like blacks and hispanics in poverty for generations. Inspire education and work ethic and the next generation will be greater than the prior. For the life of me, I just don't understand being a Democrat. Please enlighten me...I can think of nothing they stand for that will lead to a greater country.
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There is only one major political party in the world that doesn't support universal single payer health insurance. It is also the only party in the world that rejects man made global warming.
The Democrats did not support Single Payer Healthcare either. Hillary Clinton made a point to say it would NEVER happen under her watch.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/
By Stephanie Condon CBS News January 29, 2016, 6:56 PM
Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen
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I differ from Trump. I think if you can bring over someone who is willing to assimilate and learn the language and culture, and wants to becoming a contributing member of society and pay their taxes, I absolutely welcome anyone who comes over legally. Why do you think the huge multi-billion companies like Apple and Google hate the idea of limiting H1 visas; these are PhD level individuals who are brilliant and will work cheaper than an American worker. Moreover, there is a glut of PhD's from foreign nations and a dearth here in the US. Thus, to limit intelligent individuals from entering the US because of where they are from is ludicrous. However, I do not like foreigners coming over and learning our trade secrets and then going back to China or India or Slovakia and disseminating our knowledge. I think we should bring over people who have an interest in living in the USA.
As for illegal aliens, I think this is a simple black and white matter. If I or any other American were caught in a foregin country illegally we would be arrested or deported. No questions asked. We certainly would not get food stamps or welfare benefits. I say offer a voluntary deportation of illegals who do not pay taxes this coming year. No questions asked and no penalties. Then, set up a system where people can legally come into the nation on legal work visas. I don't think it is that hard. I think the wall may be some great symbolic symbol but anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that the cost will not be building the beast; it will be upkeep and securing the wall anyway.
In my opinion, I could care less if hispanics continue to grow in percentage. I think if conservatives...theoreti cally Republicans....were smart and not fear based that minorities would actually see that following the Democratic ideology has done nothing but keep minorities like blacks and hispanics in poverty for generations. Inspire education and work ethic and the next generation will be greater than the prior. For the life of me, I just don't understand being a Democrat. Please enlighten me...I can think of nothing they stand for that will lead to a greater country.
But doesn't it make the problem you mentioned in previous post, worse? The problem involving those who appear to be draining the system.
Meaning that we have only so much opportunity to reliably go around.
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I differ from Trump. I think if you can bring over someone who is willing to assimilate and learn the language and culture, and wants to becoming a contributing member of society and pay their taxes, I absolutely welcome anyone who comes over legally. Why do you think the huge multi-billion companies like Apple and Google hate the idea of limiting H1 visas; these are PhD level individuals who are brilliant and will work cheaper than an American worker. Moreover, there is a glut of PhD's from foreign nations and a dearth here in the US. Thus, to limit intelligent individuals from entering the US because of where they are from is ludicrous. However, I do not like foreigners coming over and learning our trade secrets and then going back to China or India or Slovakia and disseminating our knowledge. I think we should bring over people who have an interest in living in the USA.
As for illegal aliens, I think this is a simple black and white matter. If I or any other American were caught in a foregin country illegally we would be arrested or deported. No questions asked. We certainly would not get food stamps or welfare benefits. I say offer a voluntary deportation of illegals who do not pay taxes this coming year. No questions asked and no penalties. Then, set up a system where people can legally come into the nation on legal work visas. I don't think it is that hard. I think the wall may be some great symbolic symbol but anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that the cost will not be building the beast; it will be upkeep and securing the wall anyway.
In my opinion, I could care less if hispanics continue to grow in percentage. I think if conservatives...theoreti cally Republicans....were smart and not fear based that minorities would actually see that following the Democratic ideology has done nothing but keep minorities like blacks and hispanics in poverty for generations. Inspire education and work ethic and the next generation will be greater than the prior. For the life of me, I just don't understand being a Democrat. Please enlighten me...I can think of nothing they stand for that will lead to a greater country.
I differ in that I think we should close the borders permanently and cap immigration to almost non-existent levels. We don`t need any more humans in the United States, we have enough already.
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It's not a privilege. It's a service. You pay for it.
Inequity arises when people don't pay their fair share and the rest of us have to foot the bill. This happens under government programs as well as insurer run care.
Therefore, I modestly propose that people put aside money for their medical expenses and simply pay for the quackery they receive. Naturally, they are free not to do so if they are of the live fast/die young school. What could be fairer? You pay for what you get.
Who doesn't? The elderly, in particular, are detriments to the bottom line. They are endlessly plagued with one affliction or another. Always at the doctor's. Are they paying their fair share? The physically and/or mentally unsound, although fewer in number than the decrepit, present a dire strain to any system which foolishly volunteers to fund them. Having never been able to work, they leach. And since they're not feebly knocking upon St Peter's door, it's likely they'll continue to enjoy free lunches for many years.
Another class of these panhandling freeloaders are children. Granted, the more industrious are mowing lawns etc, but the majority have eaten and video gamed themselves into obesity and diabeetus. Infants are notorious deadbeats who spend most of their lives lying around and having their every desire attended posthaste. And then we wonder where a sense of entitlement comes from.
But I digress. Either someone can afford a service or he can't. Who's with me?
:)
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Trump needs to get rid of a lot of his staff who have loose lips and are leaking every bit of info they can. Especially the never Trumpers that are in power there fucking impeached already, give the nutty Jesus freak a go.
Couldn't agree more.
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I differ in that I think we should close the borders permanently and cap immigration to almost non-existent levels. We don`t need any more humans in the United States, we have enough already.
TA I agree we have tons of people but for advanced degrees we are lacking. We lack physicians in under-served communities. New York has thousands of surgeons while podunk, TX may have one doc covering three counties. We need educated, motivated individuals willing to work and assimilate. Nothing ticks me off more than people who come here and refuse to embrace our language and culture. TA as far as the uneducated worker, I'm cool with a moratorium but will Americans do the same job as current illegals at a reasonable rate.
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The Democrats did not support Single Payer Healthcare either. Hillary Clinton made a point to say it would NEVER happen under her watch.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/
By Stephanie Condon CBS News January 29, 2016, 6:56 PM
Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen
True, but that is probably only because the US is generally more conservative than most countries and so they fear that taking that position would be bad politically. Just like Trump probably supports single payer but isn't going to say that now.
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True, but that is probably only because the US is generally more conservative than most countries and so they fear that taking that position would be bad politically. Just like Trump probably supports single payer but isn't going to say that now.
I don't believe for one second that she is against single payer. I think she believes it's unattainable and energy would be better spent on a health care plan that can pass and still do good.
She is fucking wrong and spineless in that regard.
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I haven`t given up on Trump yet, I just stated that thus far his administration has been a failure. He would admit it, off the record of course as well. Most of his major goals have been subverted or totally have been failures (Healthcare) and the funny thing is, the subversion and failure is largely due to other Republicans.
Trump still supports Single Payer, but his cohorts won`t even think about it. Shows you how dumb they really are.
Doom agrees. Trump's Interim report card to date:
Travel ban 1.0... F
Travel ban 2.0... F
Declare China a currency manipulator on day one... F
Repeal the Affordable Care Act... F
Replace the Affordable Care Act... F
Build that wall... Incomplete
End the war in Iraq... F
Lock her up... F
Defeat ISIS... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Stop North Korea.... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Exit NATO... (reversed position) F
Exit NAFTA... F
Fill positions requiring Senate confirmation... Incomplete (leaning toward D)
Fill Supreme Court vacancy... A
Overhaul the tax code... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Bring back manufacturing jobs... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Grade: F+
Assessment: His entire legislative agenda (not moving fast to begin with) has now been put on hold while the Senate investigates... the House investigates... and Mueller investigates. Each of these investigations could easily take 1-3 years. Worst of all, the administration's wounds are self inflicted. This will not end well.
Bah!
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Doom agrees. Trump's Interim report card to date:
Travel ban 1.0... F
Travel ban 2.0... F
Declare China a currency manipulator on day one... F
Repeal the Affordable Care Act... F
Replace the Affordable Care Act... F
Build that wall... Incomplete
End the war in Iraq... F
Lock her up... F
Defeat ISIS... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Stop North Korea.... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Exit NATO... (reversed position) F
Exit NAFTA... F
Fill positions requiring Senate confirmation... Incomplete (leaning toward D)
Fill Supreme Court vacancy... A
Overhaul the tax code... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Bring back manufacturing jobs... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Grade: F+
Assessment: His entire legislative agenda (not moving fast to begin with) has now been put on hold while the Senate investigates... the House investigates... and Mueller investigates. Each of these investigations could easily take 1-3 years. Worst of all, the administration's wounds are self inflicted. This will not end well.
Bah!
Ow.
There needs to be an 'out on yer ear' clause when an elected official fulfills zero campaign promises. A 'State of My Ass' vote or something.
How the fuck are you gonna get elected based on the shit you promised and then do none of it or even do the opposite, and there's no consequence at all for that. Sounds like kind of an imperfect system. Said it b4, bears repeating: 'Representative democracy' is a sham.
He's not the only offender, of course. Obama was awful for it. The worst up to his time, far as I can tell, or maybe I was just paying more attention. But so far I have President Pillowpants in the lead Big Time.
Chances I'll be eating my words later, as of this post: 1.4%. Come on, Donald. I'm hungry.
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TA I agree we have tons of people but for advanced degrees we are lacking. We lack physicians in under-served communities. New York has thousands of surgeons while podunk, TX may have one doc covering three counties. We need educated, motivated individuals willing to work and assimilate. Nothing ticks me off more than people who come here and refuse to embrace our language and culture. TA as far as the uneducated worker, I'm cool with a moratorium but will Americans do the same job as current illegals at a reasonable rate.
Will they work for almost nothing, since other parts of the world are such miserable shit?
Why should they have to?
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Will Hillary be locked up soon?
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Doom agrees. Trump's Interim report card to date:
Travel ban 1.0... F
Travel ban 2.0... F
Declare China a currency manipulator on day one... F
Repeal the Affordable Care Act... F
Replace the Affordable Care Act... F
Build that wall... Incomplete
End the war in Iraq... F
Lock her up... F
Defeat ISIS... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Stop North Korea.... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Exit NATO... (reversed position) F
Exit NAFTA... F
Fill positions requiring Senate confirmation... Incomplete (leaning toward D)
Fill Supreme Court vacancy... A
Overhaul the tax code... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Bring back manufacturing jobs... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Grade: F+
Assessment: His entire legislative agenda (not moving fast to begin with) has now been put on hold while the Senate investigates... the House investigates... and Mueller investigates. Each of these investigations could easily take 1-3 years. Worst of all, the administration's wounds are self inflicted. This will not end well.
Bah!
This is awesome!
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capitalism?
The problem with using that simple word as an excuse, of course, is that it reveals incentive for the wealthiest clans to keep the world in turmoil.
Oh, wait.
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a true alpha male....what shape what conditioning... a true adonis an example for american youth to admire and aspire to be like.
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Doom agrees. Trump's Interim report card to date:
Travel ban 1.0... F
Travel ban 2.0... F
Declare China a currency manipulator on day one... F
Repeal the Affordable Care Act... F
Replace the Affordable Care Act... F
Build that wall... Incomplete
End the war in Iraq... F
Lock her up... F
Defeat ISIS... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Stop North Korea.... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Exit NATO... (reversed position) F
Exit NAFTA... F
Fill positions requiring Senate confirmation... Incomplete (leaning toward D)
Fill Supreme Court vacancy... A
Overhaul the tax code... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Bring back manufacturing jobs... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Grade: F+
Assessment: His entire legislative agenda (not moving fast to begin with) has now been put on hold while the Senate investigates... the House investigates... and Mueller investigates. Each of these investigations could easily take 1-3 years. Worst of all, the administration's wounds are self inflicted. This will not end well.
Bah!
While I think your grades for him are a little harsh, his supporters think he's doing a great job.
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Doom agrees. Trump's Interim report card to date:
Travel ban 1.0... F
Travel ban 2.0... F
Declare China a currency manipulator on day one... F
Repeal the Affordable Care Act... F
Replace the Affordable Care Act... F
Build that wall... Incomplete
End the war in Iraq... F
Lock her up... F
Defeat ISIS... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Stop North Korea.... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Exit NATO... (reversed position) F
Exit NAFTA... F
Fill positions requiring Senate confirmation... Incomplete (leaning toward D)
Fill Supreme Court vacancy... A
Overhaul the tax code... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Bring back manufacturing jobs... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Grade: F+
Assessment: His entire legislative agenda (not moving fast to begin with) has now been put on hold while the Senate investigates... the House investigates... and Mueller investigates. Each of these investigations could easily take 1-3 years. Worst of all, the administration's wounds are self inflicted. This will not end well.
Bah!
Man, if you just look at it like this, you really have to find it a little difficult to say he's doing a good job don't you?
Sheesh.
I guess you could say he's got a B+ for rounding up illegals. That may move the average up a hair, but probably not out of F range.
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The White House’s absolutely brutal night, in six headlines.
For any president, one of these headlines would be very bad news. For President Trump, they all came in a span of 12 hours:
“Justice Department to appoint special counsel to oversee probe of Russian meddling in 2016 election”
“House majority leader told colleagues last year: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump”
“Flynn stopped military plan Turkey opposed — after being paid as its agent”
“Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House”
“Israeli Source Seen as Key to Countering Islamic State Threat”
“Trump campaign had at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians — sources”
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The White House’s absolutely brutal night, in six headlines.
For any president, one of these headlines would be very bad news. For President Trump, they all came in a span of 12 hours:
“Justice Department to appoint special counsel to oversee probe of Russian meddling in 2016 election”
“House majority leader told colleagues last year: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump”
“Flynn stopped military plan Turkey opposed — after being paid as its agent”
“Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House”
“Israeli Source Seen as Key to Countering Islamic State Threat”
“Trump campaign had at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians — sources”
and the trumpster will say it's all fake news and those that drank the trump kool-aid will agree and fall in behind their fearless leader.
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Just waiting to see which one you savants can figure out why he's not getting anything done.
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Just waiting to see which one you savants can figure out why he's not getting anything done.
Birther says what? ::)
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Just waiting to see which one you savants can figure out why he's not getting anything done.
Because Republicans are stupid. They have to be the most inept party ever at this point. They hate Trump and they also have no ideas of their own. Trump also forgot how to be a populist and go beyond them and ask everyone on all sides for help.
Its not going to end well if this continues.
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Just waiting to see which one you savants can figure out why he's not getting anything done.
Why dont you tell us? Republicans control congress, its his DOJ, Repubs and Dems are investigating his campaign. Most of his wounds are self inflicted. I dont know how he isnt getting anything done? Maybe too much twitter?
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Ok if ur going to make such a blanket statement for the whole world, why not back it up with some facts not the Huffington Post or Politico. I am waiting with bated breath. BTW dipshit, say what you will about American medicine but we are universally known to provide the best care. Ask rich Canadians who fly down to the states for surgery. Go to MD Anderson and watch all the foreigners with suitcases of cash coming to get the best cancer care in the world. Idiotic blanket statements like yours just reinforce the stupidity of the left. At least TA is intelligent and argues his points well.
Name another first world country without universal coverage? Or name a political party in a non-US first world country that doesn't support universal care. I'm not being a smartass...I'm just asking you because I'm not aware of any, but maybe I'm wrong. And yes, the US does have great healthcare if you can afford it, so I won't argue that. But what about those that can't afford it? You know telling them to go to the emergency room doesn't solve anything because everyone else just ends up paying it anyway. And what about the fact that we spend more on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than any other country by far? Despite what conservatives like to say about countries like Canada or U.K., everyone I've spoken to from there would much rather have their system than ours. Why do conservatives think free markets will solve healthcare? Health insurance is not an ordinary good and shouldn't be treated like one. In your typical free market, companies want you as their customer and they try to attract you away from the competition through superior value, better customer service, lower prices, etc. The problem is if you are a 50 year old with a history of cancer, the health insurance companies really don't want you as a customer and definitely aren't going to fight over you through lower premiums, better benefits, etc. So if you take away that basic tenant of capitalism...that companies want you as their customer...the rest falls apart. Don't get me wrong... I think capitalism is great and is the primary driver of improving living conditions throughout the world, but there are just some industries where it doesn't solve everything...prisons and healthcare especially in my opinion.
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Because Republicans are stupid. They have to be the most inept party ever at this point. They hate Trump and they also have no ideas of their own. Trump also forgot how to be a populist and go beyond them and ask everyone on all sides for help.
Its not going to end well if this continues.
Wrong...while they're both useless, the left more useless than the right, he's been asking for help only it falls on deaf ears. The left, right, media are all fighting him tooth and nail. How does anyone expect him to get anything done with that bullshit? Most of his policies have been solid and mostly conservative, the reason why he was elected in the first place. People were tired of the same Washington bullshit and failing policies. He's doing waay better than what the left and left media are portraying.
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Is Hillary in jail yet?
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Name another first world country without universal coverage? Or name a political party in a non-US first world country that doesn't support universal care. I'm not being a smartass...I'm just asking you because I'm not aware of any, but maybe I'm wrong. And yes, the US does have great healthcare if you can afford it, so I won't argue that. But what about those that can't afford it? You know telling them to go to the emergency room doesn't solve anything because everyone else just ends up paying it anyway. And what about the fact that we spend more on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than any other country by far? Despite what conservatives like to say about countries like Canada or U.K., everyone I've spoken to from there would much rather have their system than ours. Why do conservatives think free markets will solve healthcare? Health insurance is not an ordinary good and shouldn't be treated like one. In your typical free market, companies want you as their customer and they try to attract you away from the competition through superior value, better customer service, lower prices, etc. The problem is if you are a 50 year old with a history of cancer, the health insurance companies really don't want you as a customer and definitely aren't going to fight over you through lower premiums, better benefits, etc. So if you take away that basic tenant of capitalism...that companies want you as their customer...the rest falls apart. Don't get me wrong... I think capitalism is great and is the primary driver of improving living conditions throughout the world, but there are just some industries where it doesn't solve everything...prisons and healthcare especially in my opinion.
Hell, I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.
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Wrong...while they're both useless, the left more useless than the right, he's been asking for help only it falls on deaf ears. The left, right, media are all fighting him tooth and nail. How does anyone expect him to get anything done with that bullshit? Most of his policies have been solid and mostly conservative, the reason why he was elected in the first place. People were tired of the same Washington bullshit and failing policies. He's doing waay better than what the left and left media are portraying.
With What?
The Healthcare bill?
Name one other thing that Trump has asked for help with?
Hell, name ANYTHING he's "asked for help" with. Trump doesn't ask for help. He thinks everyone should do whatever he says.
You do realize that if he came out tomorrow for single payer, he'd have the entire democratic party on his nuts and there wouldn't be shit they could do about it.
He's actually not doing anything more than tweeting at 3am. That's really all he does is tweet and golf.
You know this, but you are trying so desperately hard to back his play that you are ignoring the truth that's right in front of your face.
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Wrong...while they're both useless, the left more useless than the right, he's been asking for help only it falls on deaf ears. The left, right, media are all fighting him tooth and nail. How does anyone expect him to get anything done with that bullshit? Most of his policies have been solid and mostly conservative, the reason why he was elected in the first place. People were tired of the same Washington bullshit and failing policies. He's doing waay better than what the left and left media are portraying.
I can agree with this.
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While I think your grades for him are a little harsh, his supporters think he's doing a great job.
Harsh? Really? Fool! These are not random criteria; these were things he specifically said he would do/accomplish in very short order. Save for filling the Supreme Court vacancy, none of them have happened. Even Pence expected/expects Trump to implode:
“When I agreed to run on the ticket with him, I said to myself, ‘Mike, after he’s been in the White House for a few weeks, he’ll be a total train wreck and you’ll be able to slide into the big-boy chair,’ ” Pence said. “I never in a million years thought he’d last a hundred days. My best guess was thirty.”
The former Indiana governor said that, with such seemingly fatal missteps as Trump’s failed health-care plan and travel bans, as well as any number of unhinged outbursts, “It feels like I’ve come close to getting in there maybe ten or twelve times. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.”
Calling the past hundred days “the longest hundred days of my life,” Pence said that he has no choice now but to “sit and wait for my moment.”
“I’m a man of faith, and I believe that the Lord has a plan for me,” he said. “But if another hundred days come and go and I’m still not President, you are going to see one pissed-off Mike Pence.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/pence-really-thought-hed-be-president-by-now
By any measure, this is utter failure . . . and it has all happened in what should be Trump's best moment: the honeymoon. His political capital will only go down from here.
Bah!
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Harsh? Really? Fool! These are not random criteria; these were things he specifically said he would do/accomplish in very short order. Save for filling the Supreme Court vacancy, none of them have happened. Even Pence expected/expects Trump to implode:
“When I agreed to run on the ticket with him, I said to myself, ‘Mike, after he’s been in the White House for a few weeks, he’ll be a total train wreck and you’ll be able to slide into the big-boy chair,’ ” Pence said. “I never in a million years thought he’d last a hundred days. My best guess was thirty.”
The former Indiana governor said that, with such seemingly fatal missteps as Trump’s failed health-care plan and travel bans, as well as any number of unhinged outbursts, “It feels like I’ve come close to getting in there maybe ten or twelve times. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.”
Calling the past hundred days “the longest hundred days of my life,” Pence said that he has no choice now but to “sit and wait for my moment.”
“I’m a man of faith, and I believe that the Lord has a plan for me,” he said. “But if another hundred days come and go and I’m still not President, you are going to see one pissed-off Mike Pence.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/pence-really-thought-hed-be-president-by-now
By any measure, this is utter failure . . . and it has all happened in what should be Trump's best moment: the honeymoon. His political capital will only go down from here.
Bah!
All fake, of course. Only polite to make that clear.
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Birther says what? ::)
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Holy crap, he's investigating Einstein. Crazy shit! ;D ;D ;D
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I'm still a birther. Obama was likely spawned in Kenya
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I'm still a birther. Obama was likely spawned in Kenya
So which one is most legal to be President?
Cruz? McCain? Obama?
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I still am holding out hopes for saving US manufacturing, Closed Borders and the end of Bad Trade Deals.
Healthcare will be a complete disaster if he signs it into law as is. Other than that, nothing really has been accomplished thus far.
Trump is still a much better choice than Hillary. The main benefit is getting away from political correctness and victim mentality, although I am seeing alot of that "Victimhood" from the right. They are still worthless on abortion, healthcare and Science and I am not sure if they will ever come to reason in those areas. Anyways, hoping for the best!
Spot on analysis. Trump always has an excuse or someone to blame for his failures.
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a true alpha male....what shape what conditioning... a true adonis an example for american youth to admire and aspire to be like.
Dude that is funny but that is John Daly and not Trump.
;D ;D ;D
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Name another first world country without universal coverage? Or name a political party in a non-US first world country that doesn't support universal care. I'm not being a smartass...I'm just asking you because I'm not aware of any, but maybe I'm wrong. And yes, the US does have great healthcare if you can afford it, so I won't argue that. But what about those that can't afford it? You know telling them to go to the emergency room doesn't solve anything because everyone else just ends up paying it anyway. And what about the fact that we spend more on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than any other country by far? Despite what conservatives like to say about countries like Canada or U.K., everyone I've spoken to from there would much rather have their system than ours. Why do conservatives think free markets will solve healthcare? Health insurance is not an ordinary good and shouldn't be treated like one. In your typical free market, companies want you as their customer and they try to attract you away from the competition through superior value, better customer service, lower prices, etc. The problem is if you are a 50 year old with a history of cancer, the health insurance companies really don't want you as a customer and definitely aren't going to fight over you through lower premiums, better benefits, etc. So if you take away that basic tenant of capitalism...that companies want you as their customer...the rest falls apart. Don't get me wrong... I think capitalism is great and is the primary driver of improving living conditions throughout the world, but there are just some industries where it doesn't solve everything...prisons and healthcare especially in my opinion.
If you think we should follow the route of Europe then prepare for bankruptcy, which unfortunately we are not far behind. You are completely wrong about the Free Market. They want as many healthy low consumption customers as they can find. If you get premiums from 10000 healthy individuals and ten are high consuming; it is a win for the insurance company. The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they expected those with pre-existing conditions to pay as much as a healthy 20 year old. Of course, that is a joke. I am not going to pay the same for a Ferrari as a Ford. If the insurance company knows you are high risk, you will likely have a higher insurance rate and deductible. It is called skin in the game. By trying to equalize everyone, insurers have left the exchanges in the ACA by droves.
I am a cancer survivor. I am also a physician. I expect to pay more for my insurance. I kind of expect to. I don't want a healthy 20 year carrying my load so to speak ;). Now, my cancer was lymphoma, when I was 26 and I am now 46, and am 20 years out. Regardless, I would expect to pay more. Obama was right, insurance companies shouldn't flat out deny care for somebody with a pre-existing condition, especially those who did not contribute to their condition. However, the ACA did not really penalize smokers, overweight individuals, and more.
My biggest gripe with the whole issue. If you can smoke a 5 dollar pack of cigarettes daily, you can afford health insurance even catastrophic unless you are disabled or mentally challenged. I say double the taxes on "vice" products including alcohol to help offset medical expenses. Hospitals should have an open book clearly stating costs for test and studies. Bet non-medical people do not know that if you go to the hospital and get a CT scan emergently it would cost nearly 10000 dollars if you are uninsured. However, if you have United Health the cost would be at a negotiated rate with that insurance for say 1200 bucks.
Does the hospital get an uninsured person to pay for the 10000 dollar CT scan. No, they can however write it off against their tax bill. Pharma is a whole other story and in a nutshell I tend to agree with TA.
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a true alpha male....what shape what conditioning... a true adonis an example for american youth to admire and aspire to be like.
It is eerie how similar in build and looks the Donald is to John Daly. John Daly is a tub of lard. Last President in shape was Bush.
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Illegal Immigration at border down 70%
Illegals' arrests inside country up I think by 40%
Saved Supreme Court
Next retirement or death on SC imminent and will cement conservative majority for 20+ years
Travel ban will be reinstated as soon as it gets to Supreme Court
Meanwhile number of refugees coming in also down dramatically
Stopped TPP
Just filed notice to renegotiate NAFTA (now that his Trade Rep confirmed)
Sessions, Kelly, Mattis, Tillerson, DeVos, etc.
Hillary not president and never will be
Democrats driven so far to the left they will never win national office or a majority in House or Senate
Pussyhat Splodey heads
There's like 50 more things and hundreds more to come as he realigns R party
Going to be a sweet 8 years of whiny PC leftist tears
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So which one is most legal to be President?
Cruz? McCain? Obama?
Dude, you out yourself every time you post...lol
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Dude, you out yourself every time you post...lol
I know you aren't speaking to me. You should be happy I have been doing a good job of ignoring your buffoonery the past couple of days. You really don't want me to start paying attention to you do you?
I asked a very simple question. To which, no one has yet answered. I wonder why that is.
If believing that the idea of the POTUS not being a natural born citizen is "outing" myself... I guess I'm guilty of being outed as not a moron. Unlike yourself.
Do you want to try to answer the question, "Coach"?
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I know you aren't speaking to me. You should be happy I have been doing a good job of ignoring your buffoonery the past couple of days. You really don't want me to start paying attention to you do you?
I asked a very simple question. To which, no one has yet answered. I wonder why that is.
If believing that the idea of the POTUS not being a natural born citizen is "outing" myself... I guess I'm guilty of being outed as not a moron. Unlike yourself.
Do you want to try to answer the question, "Coach"?
Check your ego, son. Seriously. Dead serious.
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Check your ego, son. Seriously. Dead serious.
Don't call me son you mental midget.
Be serious all you want. Doesn't change a word.
Gong to answer the question?
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Don't call me son you mental midget.
Be serious all you want. Doesn't change a word.
Gong to answer the question?
No, he's not going to. You'll probably be lucky to get something like "Killary".
Fucking retards.
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You don't go from being an admitted socialist all of these years supporting Sanders (that to this day still talks shit about Trump) then all of the sudden being all in for a capitalist with mostly conservative values. If you support a one payer systems that in fact makes you a socialist. That's his position
At least be honest about your affiliation
Actually, you can go absolutely anywhere if you think for yourself and judge a situation based on the current merits, which can often change.
His previous affiliations were about promises (the pre election phase being a promises phase). His current affiliation/sentiment pertains to misgivings about results and trajectory, so far.
It's actually very simple.
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I know you aren't speaking to me. You should be happy I have been doing a good job of ignoring your buffoonery the past couple of days. You really don't want me to start paying attention to you do you?
I asked a very simple question. To which, no one has yet answered. I wonder why that is.
If believing that the idea of the POTUS not being a natural born citizen is "outing" myself... I guess I'm guilty of being outed as not a moron. Unlike yourself.
Do you want to try to answer the question, "Coach"?
McCain - born in Panama on a military base....eh dude that is essentially American territory in a foreign land. He is legit
Cruz - born in Canada to two entrepreneurs...theoreti cally not really but Canada is our bitch
Obama - born in Kenya ehr Hawaii...guess he was legit if you believe that document he provided
However, the issue of where you are born really needs to be amended. If you are a naturalized citizen and uphold our nations values and religious freedom, and have the ability to lead you should be electable. I surmise Netanyahu or Putin would run circles out of the idiots locally who I nickname the elite effete. Hope that helps.
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So which one is most legal to be President?
Cruz? McCain? Obama?
Probably McLame since O-Fagget cant serve another term
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If you think we should follow the route of Europe then prepare for bankruptcy, which unfortunately we are not far behind. You are completely wrong about the Free Market. They want as many healthy low consumption customers as they can find. If you get premiums from 10000 healthy individuals and ten are high consuming; it is a win for the insurance company. The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they expected those with pre-existing conditions to pay as much as a healthy 20 year old. Of course, that is a joke. I am not going to pay the same for a Ferrari as a Ford. If the insurance company knows you are high risk, you will likely have a higher insurance rate and deductible. It is called skin in the game. By trying to equalize everyone, insurers have left the exchanges in the ACA by droves.
I am a cancer survivor. I am also a physician. I expect to pay more for my insurance. I kind of expect to. I don't want a healthy 20 year carrying my load so to speak ;). Now, my cancer was lymphoma, when I was 26 and I am now 46, and am 20 years out. Regardless, I would expect to pay more. Obama was right, insurance companies shouldn't flat out deny care for somebody with a pre-existing condition, especially those who did not contribute to their condition. However, the ACA did not really penalize smokers, overweight individuals, and more.
My biggest gripe with the whole issue. If you can smoke a 5 dollar pack of cigarettes daily, you can afford health insurance even catastrophic unless you are disabled or mentally challenged. I say double the taxes on "vice" products including alcohol to help offset medical expenses. Hospitals should have an open book clearly stating costs for test and studies. Bet non-medical people do not know that if you go to the hospital and get a CT scan emergently it would cost nearly 10000 dollars if you are uninsured. However, if you have United Health the cost would be at a negotiated rate with that insurance for say 1200 bucks.
Does the hospital get an uninsured person to pay for the 10000 dollar CT scan. No, they can however write it off against their tax bill. Pharma is a whole other story and in a nutshell I tend to agree with TA.
You say you think the US will face bankruptcy if we follow the model of European countries....I don't buy it and neither do most economists. We spend a substantially higher portion of GDP for healthcare than any other country and our healthcare system isn't even top 25 in the world. Who cares if rich people can afford good care...most Americans aren't wealthy. And most European countries, with the exception of a few such as Italy, Greece, Spain, are in better financial health than us. You may be a doctor, but you are delusional about economics.
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http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/
U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
The U.S. health care system has been subject to heated debate over the past decade, but one thing that has remained consistent is the level of performance, which has been ranked as the worst among industrialized nations for the fifth time, according to the 2014 Commonwealth Fund survey 2014. The U.K. ranked best with Switzerland following a close second.
The Commonwealth Fund report compares the U.S. with 10 other nations: France, Australia, Germany, Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, Norway, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the U.K. were all judged to be superior based on various factors. These include quality of care, access to doctors and equity throughout the country. Results of the study rely on data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the World Health Organization and interviews from physicians and patients.
Although the U.S. has the most expensive health care system in the world, the nation ranks lowest in terms of “efficiency, equity and outcomes,” according to the report. One of the most piercing revelations is that the high rate of expenditure for insurance is not commensurate to the satisfaction of patients or quality of service. High out-of-pocket costs and gaps in coverage “undermine efforts in the U.S. to improve care coordination,” the report summarized.
A striking take-home from the report was a need for equity throughout the nation. “Disparities in access to services signal the need to expand insurance to cover the uninsured and to ensure that all Americans have an accessible medical home,” it said. A lack of universal health care was noted as the key difference between the U.S. and the other industrial nations.Despite these shortcomings, positives noted include the breadth of reforms spearheaded by the Affordable Care Act, including new databases for transparent information and financial assistance for low-middle-income families in gaining coverage. “Those efforts will likely help clinicians deliver more effective and efficient care,” the report concludes.
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I walked into a British NHS medical whats-it with a nasty red spot on my todger and I was seen to immediately. Turned out it was a zit. The physic entered into the spirit of the thing and even popped it for me.
Total cost: My pride.
Who knew you get dick zits?
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You say you think the US will face bankruptcy if we follow the model of European countries....I don't buy it and neither do most economists. We spend a substantially higher portion of GDP for healthcare than any other country and our healthcare system isn't even top 25 in the world. Who cares if rich people can afford good care...most Americans aren't wealthy. And most European countries, with the exception of a few such as Italy, Greece, Spain, are in better financial health than us. You may be a doctor, but you are delusional about economics.
There are a lot of economists who deride single payor healthcare also. Moreover, countries that implement the plan are smaller by a factor of ten. How are we going to pay or single payor when 50% of the populous is even paying taxes. There is only so much burden the higher fifty percent will bear. Apple has almost 275 billion overseas. Taxes are so heavy handed here that they will not bring the money back. So genius, since you are an economist, tell me succinctly how we are to pay for single payor.
Second, do you even have insurance. Do you get it on the exchange, group benefits, or unlikely military. Should we follow the VA model of healthcare. That is single payor also for that system. Have you ever worked in a VA. No, better question, are you even in healthcare. Are you some lib on the street with no comprehension at all of the system. Do you understand insurance? Do you understand how hospitals bill? Reasonable questions considering my take on you is that you frankly know little about the system and get your data from the HuffPost.
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Here for all my cronies on GB who I like (TA, SF1900) and those I don't (McClovin,AbrahamG) ;D ;D:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/851264_1
Long article but it gives a perspective not often seen and is from one of the largest medical websites on the internet. The ideals of single payer are noble, but implementation and potential pitfalls are real. If you have the time, I strongly advise you read it.
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Is there a reasons so many on GetBig care so much about healthcare provided for free by the government?
Just get a fairly decent job. Actually go to work.
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Don't call me son you mental midget.
Be serious all you want. Doesn't change a word.
Gong to answer the question?
1. I'll call you whatever the f**k I want and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it here or anywhere else
2. No, I'm not. I'm tired of rehashing the same damn things over and over again year after year. Go back read
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Speaking objectively, it's clear that when Tu and Coach debate, Tu wins 99.9% of the time.
Tu is logical and coherent and presents factual evidence. Coach rants and raves and engages in Ad Hominem attacks by calling people "son," as if that is going to make his case stronger.
Coach, just calling it like it is.
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He ain't done shit.
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Trump is now heading over to Israel. Let's see if he backs off on moving the embassy to Jewroosalem if all of a sudden he finds himself standing alone and can't figure out where his secret service team went before a mosad agent dressed as an arab comes by to say hi.
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1. I'll call you whatever the f**k I want and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it here or anywhere else
2. No, I'm not. I'm tired of rehashing the same damn things over and over again year after year. Go back read
look at the internet bad ass over here everyone. Tough guy mental midget Joe the "Coach" (always notice the quotes) is super tough.
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Listen up moron. You don't get the privilege of calling me son. Your Neanderthal ass doesn't have the genetic capability of creating an offspring that has an IQ above 90. So don't get it twisted.
You won't answer the question because you can't. Because you know deep down it's a question that if you answer honestly it makes you look a fool. As usual.
Go back and read? No one goes back to read your dumb ass statements. Because you're a damn idiot.
"Coach" being a "Coach".
First thing, on a Friday at 6:30am "Coach's" time, and the "Coach" has to respond to me. On getbig.
To what do I owe the honor of "Coach" taking time from his busy schedule to entertain moi?
Must be a slow day training all of those clients.
Don't you have some ropes to swing up and down?
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Is there a reasons so many on GetBig care so much about healthcare provided for free by the government?
Just get a fairly decent job. Actually go to work.
Some getbiggers care about more than themselves.
Also.
Fiscally speaking, single payer is the most cost effective for the nation.
Aren't you a patriot? Single payer is patriotic.
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Some getbiggers care about more than themselves.
Also.
Fiscally speaking, single payer is the most cost effective for the nation.
Aren't you a patriot? Single payer is patriotic.
Yeah - except every single state who considered it rejected it because it would bankrupt them. There is no free lunch.
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Yeah - except every single state who considered it rejected it because it would bankrupt them. There is no free lunch.
It wouldn't though.
Can you give me the list of states? I would be very interested in why they said it would.
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evidents or confirm your stupidity
NY, VT to start.
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NYS
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=631566.0
Hawaii
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/07/24/universal-nightmare-hawaii-failed-universal-health-care-experiment.html
VT
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711
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NYS
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=631566.0
Hawaii
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/07/24/universal-nightmare-hawaii-failed-universal-health-care-experiment.html
VT
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711
Yes, that's why it needs to be federal. Not just a state. The pool is too small.
After you reduce waste, fraud, and a host of other things, a countrywide single payer system would be cheaper. It is not cheaper on a state level. That is most likely accurate.
I would have to have someone show me all of the numbers from a country perspective of course, but almost all economists state that if you fund it over the entire country, the costs would be reduced drastically.
You would also be able to eliminate most malpractice suits also saving a ton of money.
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McCain - born in Panama on a military base....eh dude that is essentially American territory in a foreign land. He is legit
Cruz - born in Canada to two entrepreneurs...theoreti cally not really but Canada is our bitch
Obama - born in Kenya ehr Hawaii...guess he was legit if you believe that document he provided
However, the issue of where you are born really needs to be amended. If you are a naturalized citizen and uphold our nations values and religious freedom, and have the ability to lead you should be electable. I surmise Netanyahu or Putin would run circles out of the idiots locally who I nickname the elite effete. Hope that helps.
Cruz, according to the Constitution probably should not be allowed to be President. Ever.
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Cruz, according to the Constitution probably should not be allowed to be President. Ever.
That's my general belief.
McCain - born in Panama on a military base....eh dude that is essentially American territory in a foreign land. He is legit
Cruz - born in Canada to two entrepreneurs...theoreti cally not really but Canada is our bitch
Obama - born in Kenya ehr Hawaii...guess he was legit if you believe that document he provided
However, the issue of where you are born really needs to be amended. If you are a naturalized citizen and uphold our nations values and religious freedom, and have the ability to lead you should be electable. I surmise Netanyahu or Putin would run circles out of the idiots locally who I nickname the elite effete. Hope that helps.
Well, I appreciate your response. It may very well Be that Obama was "born in Keyna", however, as of yet, I have not seen or heard of anyone coming out and saying they have 100% proof that he was not.
Do we believe that Obama's mother was, in fact, a US citizen?
McCain, was born on a Military base, and that may give him a pass, but if you look at the history, my own mother was born on a military base in a foreign land and she's always believed she was not eligible to be President as she was not born "In the US".
Cruz really should not be allowed. The Constitution really doesn't specify, but realistically, he admittedly should have an issue.
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Trump is now heading over to Israel. Let's see if he backs off on moving the embassy to Jewroosalem if all of a sudden he finds himself standing alone and can't figure out where his secret service team went before a mosad agent dressed as an arab comes by to say hi.
If the powers that be want to shed themselves of this problem known as President Trump, this might be the way to do it.
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.....my own mother was born on a military base in a foreign land and she's always believed she was not eligible to be President as she was not born "In the US".
Is it safe to assume you've made it clear to your mom that is eligible to campaign for and serve, if elected, as President of the United States?
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look at the internet bad ass over here everyone. Tough guy mental midget Joe the "Coach" (always notice the quotes) is super tough.
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Listen up moron. You don't get the privilege of calling me son. Your Neanderthal ass doesn't have the genetic capability of creating an offspring that has an IQ above 90. So don't get it twisted.
You won't answer the question because you can't. Because you know deep down it's a question that if you answer honestly it makes you look a fool. As usual.
Go back and read? No one goes back to read your dumb ass statements. Because you're a damn idiot.
"Coach" being a "Coach".
First thing, on a Friday at 6:30am "Coach's" time, and the "Coach" has to respond to me. On getbig.
To what do I owe the honor of "Coach" taking time from his busy schedule to entertain moi?
Must be a slow day training all of those clients.
Don't you have some ropes to swing up and down?
This is a proper Owning! ROFLMAO
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Is it safe to assume you've made it clear to your mom that is eligible to campaign for and serve, if elected, as President of the United States?
I have, but she's about Trump's age and has no desire to waste her years trying to deal with that sort of thing.
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I have, but she's about Trump's age and has no desire to waste her years trying to deal with that sort of thing.
Smart woman!
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I walked into a British NHS medical whats-it with a nasty red spot on my todger and I was seen to immediately. Turned out it was a zit. The physic entered into the spirit of the thing and even popped it for me.
Total cost: My pride.
Who knew you get dick zits?
May I have permission to use this? Almost choked on my diet coke. :)
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This is a proper Owning! ROFLMAO
You aint bullshitting. The mother of all mic drops. "Coach" is probably red-assed like nobody's business.
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look at the internet bad ass over here everyone. Tough guy mental midget Joe the "Coach" (always notice the quotes) is super tough.
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Listen up moron. You don't get the privilege of calling me son. Your Neanderthal ass doesn't have the genetic capability of creating an offspring that has an IQ above 90. So don't get it twisted.
You won't answer the question because you can't. Because you know deep down it's a question that if you answer honestly it makes you look a fool. As usual.
Go back and read? No one goes back to read your dumb ass statements. Because you're a damn idiot.
"Coach" being a "Coach".
First thing, on a Friday at 6:30am "Coach's" time, and the "Coach" has to respond to me. On getbig.
To what do I owe the honor of "Coach" taking time from his busy schedule to entertain moi?
Must be a slow day training all of those clients.
Don't you have some ropes to swing up and down?
LOL
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It wouldn't though.
Can you give me the list of states? I would be very interested in why they said it would.
Read my article. Vermont tried and failed. Tu, admit it, it is not viable to have a one payer system if only a part of the populous ie around 50% are paying for it. Everyone has to have skin in the game. Take ten minutes and read my article from Medscape. Single Payer is not a panacea by any means.
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LOL
Considering the horrible shape you are in , perhaps some tire flips and rope work might do you some good
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Yes, that's why it needs to be federal. Not just a state. The pool is too small.
After you reduce waste, fraud, and a host of other things, a countrywide single payer system would be cheaper. It is not cheaper on a state level. That is most likely accurate.
I would have to have someone show me all of the numbers from a country perspective of course, but almost all economists state that if you fund it over the entire country, the costs would be reduced drastically.
You would also be able to eliminate most malpractice suits also saving a ton of money.
See your logic breaks down. If a state as small as Vermont could not make it work, how could a Republic of 50 states come together in kumbaya to make it work. Countries where it appears to work are different in vast ways. Denmark for instance:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes
Although their tax rate is higher, 90 percent plus pay into the system. They are a small country and fairly homogenous. Sorry to say but blacks and hispanics, who happen to be some of the poorest people in the union, are also the sickest.
I am a nephrologist who currently cares for 400 plus dialysis patients along with four other physicians. Approximately 30 percent of our patients are African American...their percent in the total population is 12 - 13% I believe. Of those, maybe 40% are Medicaid and the rest Medicare and a secondary insurance.
Once again, the single payer system could potentially be viable (although I don't particularly trust the government to do the right thing), but all of the populous has to contribute. In England, 10 percent of the wealthier individuals are so sick of the wait times and subpar care that they pay high rates for private insurance.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-you-care-about-the-nhs-you-should-pay-for-private-healthcare-a7059156.html
Thus, although I believe as a physician to try to my best to treat all regardless of payment ability, it will be difficult to get a functional, well run single payer model in the USA. The better option would be as follows:
- Open up the free market regardless of state borders
- Do away with pre-existing conditions but realize that if you have certain disease processes you will probably pay more...sorry Charlie
- Tax the hell out of vice products and use the resources to fund Medicaid and Medicare. I love cabernet and will pay the tax if it helps the general cause
- Get rid of frivolous lawsuits
- Do away with a hospitals ability to determine cost of services based on insurance status or ability to pay; it should be set price across the board
- Encourage physicians to do the right thing and care for those less fortunate; if they cannot pay for whatever reason let physicians write off bad debt
- Tort reform with limits on lawsuits
- If a physician makes a blatant f-up, have a medical board decide if there was negligence and then waive said tort reform and go for the jugular
This is but a start. I think the US is too large a system for a one program suits all. I may be wrong, but I doubt insurance companies are going away anytime soon.
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Read my article. Vermont tried and failed. Tu, admit it, it is not viable to have a one payer system if only a part of the populous ie around 50% are paying for it. Everyone has to have skin in the game. Take ten minutes and read my article from Medscape. Single Payer is not a panacea by any means.
No. I'm not saying people don't have to pay into it. They would. More healthcare = more workers = more people paying into it.
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No. I'm not saying people don't have to pay into it. They would. More healthcare = more workers = more people paying into it.
Tu, if you can motivate a large percentage of our populous to get off their ass and work, I would get in line and state lets do this. I agree more insurance is needed. However, a lot of individuals feel that they have a free ride off the backs of others. This is not the case in Denmark, Ireland, etc. However, I hate to bring this up, but there is a paucity of certain ethnic minorities that are lacking in those countries. I am not a racist just a realist. However, in the end, in an ideal situation there would be healthcare for all.
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No. I'm not saying people don't have to pay into it. They would. More healthcare = more workers = more people paying into it.
BTW...I really appreciate TA and TuHolmes as there is no doubt to their intelligence and sincerity. I would go as far as calling them GB's illuminati ;D. Anyway, realize I am not an asshole. I am a fiscal conservative and actually quite socially liberal. I really do love my job and enjoy treating all my patients. Sometimes, it is frustrating dealing with certain entitled individuals...realize these people come from all races white, black, and brown. I just get a little pissed by their lack of caring for themselves or anyone else. Off my soap box.
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Tu, if you can motivate a large percentage of our populous to get off their ass and work, I would get in line and state lets do this. I agree more insurance is needed. However, a lot of individuals feel that they have a free ride off the backs of others. This is not the case in Denmark, Ireland, etc. However, I hate to bring this up, but there is a paucity of certain ethnic minorities that are lacking in those countries. I am not a racist just a realist. However, in the end, in an ideal situation there would be healthcare for all.
I would like to believe that people would work because they want to, but you are correct, I can't guarantee that freeloaders for no reason wouldn't try to abuse the system.
I do have a fix for the welfare system if having babies for free money.
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I would like to believe that people would work because they want to, but you are correct, I can't guarantee that freeloaders for no reason wouldn't try to abuse the system.
I do have a fix for the welfare system if having babies for free money.
Touche brother. I agree the theory is not bad, it is the implementation that disturbs me. Both you and TA are correct; healthcare for all would be a blessing. However, realize our country is not quite so homogenous and frankly altruistic as say the Danes.
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look at the internet bad ass over here everyone. Tough guy mental midget Joe the "Coach" (always notice the quotes) is super tough.
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Listen up moron. You don't get the privilege of calling me son. Your Neanderthal ass doesn't have the genetic capability of creating an offspring that has an IQ above 90. So don't get it twisted.
You won't answer the question because you can't. Because you know deep down it's a question that if you answer honestly it makes you look a fool. As usual.
Go back and read? No one goes back to read your dumb ass statements. Because you're a damn idiot.
"Coach" being a "Coach".
First thing, on a Friday at 6:30am "Coach's" time, and the "Coach" has to respond to me. On getbig.
To what do I owe the honor of "Coach" taking time from his busy schedule to entertain moi?
Must be a slow day training all of those clients.
Don't you have some ropes to swing up and down?
Damn a complete ass raping of dumb ass Coach and his immunity to facts and reality.
I can't understand why someone would post on a board where the majority of members agree that he is the dumbest person to sit in front of a key board. I don't mean just stupid... because stupid takes effort and work. Coach is just flat out dumb. Stupid you can overcome with enough knowledge, but dumb is for life.
Now watch he will try to continue his attempt to prove to all of us that reaching rock bottom of the IQ scale means nothing and he is actively looking for a basement. He will come back with some lame ass reply of "libs this... libs that" or "you just don't get it", or the link to so dumb ass retort that he STILL doesn't know how to post the complete video to yet.
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Damn a complete ass raping of dumb ass Coach and his immunity to facts and reality.
I can't understand why someone would post on a board where the majority of members agree that he is the dumbest person to sit in front of a key board. I don't mean just stupid... because stupid takes effort and work. Coach is just flat out dumb. Stupid you can overcome with enough knowledge, but dumb is for life.
Now watch he will try to continue his attempt to prove to all of us that reaching rock bottom of the IQ scale means nothing and he is actively looking for a basement. He will come back with some lame ass reply of "libs this... libs that" or "you just don't get it", or the link to so dumb ass retort that he STILL doesn't know how to post the complete video to yet.
The only time we hear from you is when (like Killary) you're riding the coattails who thinks they're intellectually "witty" when in fact, and all though he argues well, is usually wrong. History proves this. It's obvious where he stands, way more on the left of his Libritarian stance.
Tu, don't flatter yourself boy. When I posted it wasn't "first thing", I'm up almost every morning at 4:30am. Keep thinking you're special...."son".
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Damn a complete ass raping of dumb ass Coach and his immunity to facts and reality.
I can't understand why someone would post on a board where the majority of members agree that he is the dumbest person to sit in front of a key board. I don't mean just stupid... because stupid takes effort and work. Coach is just flat out dumb. Stupid you can overcome with enough knowledge, but dumb is for life.
Now watch he will try to continue his attempt to prove to all of us that reaching rock bottom of the IQ scale means nothing and he is actively looking for a basement. He will come back with some lame ass reply of "libs this... libs that" or "you just don't get it", or the link to so dumb ass retort that he STILL doesn't know how to post the complete video to yet.
To post a youtube video:
Right click
Highlight URL
Copy URL
Go to getbig
Click on [ Invalid YouTube link ]
Insert URL between youtube parentheses
Remove "S" from HTTPS
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To post a youtube video:
Right click
Highlight URL
Copy URL
Go to getbig
Click on [ Invalid YouTube link ]
Insert URL between parentheses
And what's even funnier than this is a psychologist that gives advise to parents about their kids that's never been married OR has kids. "Science"
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Why do you keep calling people "boy" and "son?"
Seriously, Coach, it wreaks of childish language. Do you think it gets under their skin?
I mean, TU can easily just call you "boy" or "son" in return. I am not too sure what that would accomplish. ??? ??? ???
I don't get offended by it. It's clear with his long drawn out posts with insults he's thin skinned. You two should get a room.
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I don't get offended by it. It's clear with his long drawn out posts with insults he's thin skinned. You two should get a room.
OH MY FUCKING GOD!! CAN YOU READ?
Where did I say that you get offended? I asked you if you think THEY get OFFENDED (you get under THEIR SKIN).
Holy fucking shit.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD!! CAN YOU READ?
Where did I say that you get offended? I asked you if you think THEY get OFFENDED (you get under THEIR SKIN).
Holy fucking shit.
"I mean, TU can easily just call you "boy" or "son" in return"
This doesn't offend me. Get it?
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The only time we hear from you is when (like Killary) you're riding the coattails who thinks they're intellectually "witty" when in fact, and all though he argues well, is usually wrong. History proves this. It's obvious where he stands, way more on the left of his Libritarian stance.
Tu, don't flatter yourself boy. When I posted it wasn't "first thing", I'm up almost every morning at 4:30am. Keep thinking you're special...."son".
Dead Serious?
Are you dead serious again, "Coach".
Desperation from the "Coach" calling a 41 year old man "son" or "boy".
Proof positive of the lack of intelligence. Everyone sees you're owned. Just go run along to the little kids who look up to you for "training them".
Hahaha. "Coach".
Don't flatter myself, but you're "Dead Serious".
Hahahaha.
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"I mean, TU can easily just call you "boy" or "son" in return"
This doesn't offend me. Get it?
They.
As in the other person. He's asking if you think you actually offend me.
The answer is obviously "No". I don't get offended by mentally challenged people.
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They.
As in the other person. He's asking if you think you actually offend me.
The answer is obviously "No". I don't get offended by mentally challenged people.
Keep thinking you're a genius. I'm going bed.
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See your logic breaks down. If a state as small as Vermont could not make it work, how could a Republic of 50 states come together in kumbaya to make it work. Countries where it appears to work are different in vast ways. Denmark for instance:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes
Although their tax rate is higher, 90 percent plus pay into the system. They are a small country and fairly homogenous. Sorry to say but blacks and hispanics, who happen to be some of the poorest people in the union, are also the sickest.
I am a nephrologist who currently cares for 400 plus dialysis patients along with four other physicians. Approximately 30 percent of our patients are African American...their percent in the total population is 12 - 13% I believe. Of those, maybe 40% are Medicaid and the rest Medicare and a secondary insurance.
Once again, the single payer system could potentially be viable (although I don't particularly trust the government to do the right thing), but all of the populous has to contribute. In England, 10 percent of the wealthier individuals are so sick of the wait times and subpar care that they pay high rates for private insurance.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-you-care-about-the-nhs-you-should-pay-for-private-healthcare-a7059156.html
Thus, although I believe as a physician to try to my best to treat all regardless of payment ability, it will be difficult to get a functional, well run single payer model in the USA. The better option would be as follows:
- Open up the free market regardless of state borders
- Do away with pre-existing conditions but realize that if you have certain disease processes you will probably pay more...sorry Charlie
- Tax the hell out of vice products and use the resources to fund Medicaid and Medicare. I love cabernet and will pay the tax if it helps the general cause
- Get rid of frivolous lawsuits
- Do away with a hospitals ability to determine cost of services based on insurance status or ability to pay; it should be set price across the board
- Encourage physicians to do the right thing and care for those less fortunate; if they cannot pay for whatever reason let physicians write off bad debt
- Tort reform with limits on lawsuits
- If a physician makes a blatant f-up, have a medical board decide if there was negligence and then waive said tort reform and go for the jugular
This is but a start. I think the US is too large a system for a one program suits all. I may be wrong, but I doubt insurance companies are going away anytime soon.
^^ this guy gets it.
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Keep thinking you're a genius. I'm going bed.
Dead Serious.
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No, he's not going to. You'll probably be lucky to get something like "Killary".
Fucking retards.
The only time we hear from you is when (like Killary)
:o :o
You're a soothsayer.
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:o :o
You're a soothsayer.
Kind of like playing cards with a loaded deck.
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I walked into a British NHS medical whats-it with a nasty red spot on my todger and I was seen to immediately. Turned out it was a zit. The physic entered into the spirit of the thing and even popped it for me.
Total cost: My pride.
Who knew you get dick zits?
Who knew? What a crazy thought.
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Coach reminding us once again he can't form a coherent thought on his own and instead regurgitates the same 3-4 replies in every sentence.
#alternateintelligence
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$110 Billion dollars Arms deal with Saudi Arabia
(http://csweb.brookings.edu/content/~/media/Research/Files/essays/theprinceofcounterterrorism/911.jpg)
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Coach reminding us once again he can't form a coherent thought on his own and instead regurgitates the same 3-4 replies in every sentence.
#alternateintelligence
I actually used Coach in a presentation I did in college several years ago. It was basically about the extreme polarization we've seen in American politics in recent years and how those on both the far right and far left will totally ignore facts and reason to support their positions and ideologies. I also spoke about the role of the internet in fueling this phenomenon. I displayed several of Coach's posts as an example of the right-wing side. I can't remember exactly what the posts were but I know they got some good laughs from the class.
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I actually used Coach in a presentation I did in college several years ago. It was basically about the extreme polarization we've seen in American politics in recent years and how those on both the far right and far left will totally ignore facts and reason to support their positions and ideologies. I also spoke about the role of the internet in fueling this phenomenon. I displayed several of Coach's posts as an example of the right-wing side. I can't remember exactly what the posts were but I know they got some good laughs from the class.
Serious? Or Dead Serious?
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:o :o
You're a soothsayer.
As an impartial observer of this conversation, I just want to say you're not particularly bright
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As an impartial observer of this conversation, I just want to say you're not particularly bright
I'll survive.
Thanks for your input.
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And what's even funnier than this is a psychologist that gives advise to parents about their kids that's never been married OR has kids. "Science"
Being married and/or having 'kids' doesn't qualify one for anything, but marrying 3 times does prove one as mentally incompetent.