Trump Administration a failure so far.

[nicorulez]

What about people in rural areas where wages may not be high enough to afford Healthcare dictated by an Insurance Company? 

TA...the problem with the current system is people have little choice. Open up the market to all comers, and they will have a plan that will fit just about everyone. If you are young and healthy, you don't need a Cadillac healthcare plan. You can essentially pay a modest sum for so called catastrophic insurance so if something truly officious occurred like a MVA you would not go bankrupt. If you are like me and had cancer at a young age, I had lymphoma, I agree about the no pre-existing medical condition rules, but I am intelligent enough to realize that my rate will be higher which is appropriate. My concern with a single payer system is how to finance it fairly for all, and frankly I don't like the government dictating my healthcare. They are a bureaucracy that already hamstrings patient care inordinately, and I think ultimately thee free market will win out.

For instance, if you don't want Verizon or AT&T,  there are innumerable low cost alternatives that provide 90 percent of the service at a more modest and reasonable price. If you stifle competition and the government has complete control, I see nothing good coming out of it longterm.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Republicans seem to think the government has money. They don't have money.  They are an escrow service that collects taxes then sends it out to cover bills.  The gov is not a profiting org. Nothing comes out of their pockets.

[Coach is Back!]

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

This link addresses everything and is from Physicians.  Here is what the link addresses:
Single-Payer FAQ

To view a two-page handout covering frequently asked questions about single-payer national health insurance, click here.

    What is single payer?

    Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?

    Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?

    What about the proposal to lower the eligibility age for Medicare to 55?

    Won’t this result in rationing like in Canada?

    Who will run the health care system?

    What about medical research?

    Won’t this just be another bureaucracy?

    How will we keep costs down if everyone has access to comprehensive health care?

    Will bundled payments and "paying for value" in health care reduce costs?

    How will we keep doctors from doing too many procedures?

    What will happen to physician incomes?

    Under single payer, won't physician incomes go down?

    How will we keep drug prices under control?

    Why shouldn’t we let people buy better health care if they can afford it?

    What will be covered?

    What about alternative care, will it be covered?

    Can a business keep private insurance if they choose?

    What will happen to all of the people who work for insurance companies?

    How will we contain costs with the population aging?

    What about ERISA? Doesn’t it stand in the way of states implementing universal health care plans?

    How will the Health Planning Board operate?

    Since we could finance a fairly good system, like the Norwegian, Danish or Swedish system, with the public money we are already spending (60% of health costs), why do we need to raise the additional 40% (from employers and individuals)?

    How much of the health care dollar is publicly financed?

    Why not MSAs/HSAs?

    Why not use tax subsidies to help the uninsured buy health insurance?

    What is PNHP’s response to libertarian proposals for health savings accounts and deregulated insurance plans?

    Won’t competition be impeded by a universal health care system?

    Why not make people who are higher risk pay higher premiums?

    Won’t this raise my taxes?

    Isn’t a payroll tax unfair to small businesses?

    Walter Reed Army Medical Center has been in the news lately for poor care and treatment of returning soldiers from Iraq. Won’t national health insurance have similar problems?

    What about incremental reform of the health system?

    What happens to investor-owned hospitals under national health insurance (NHI)?

    What proportion of health spending is for undocumented immigrants?

    The insurance industry says that PNHP’s figures on administrative costs are outdated. Is this true?

    How much could the states save on administrative waste by adopting a statewide single-payer program?

    What will happen to malpractice costs under national health insurance?

    Should PNHP support a public Medicare-like option in a market of private plans?

    Would a “public plan option” at least be a step in the right direction?

    Universal healthcare is okay for a small country or organization like Switzerland, Canada, or the Veterans Administration, but it wouldn’t work when scaled up to meet the needs of a large country like the US.

    Responses to recent attacks on single payer health reform: Ideology Masquerading as Scholarship

    When Canada adopted single payer, did she allow labor unions to opt-out and “keep what they have.”

    What does PNHP have to say about the primary care workforce shortage?

    What is a Voucher Plan? What’s Wrong With It?

    What about the claim (in videos circulating on the internet) that a patient in Canada would have died of a brain tumor if he hadn’t come to the U.S. for an MRI?

    How much do private insurance companies spend on overhead and profit?

    Doesn't the threat of filibuster prevent fundamental reform?

    Will the Obama health plan cover all young adults?

    The number of uninsured Americans now exceeds 50.7 million people according to the Census Bureau. Won't the Obama health plan cover them?

    What about report cards on physicians? Won't they reduce costs and improve quality?

    Why are health care costs rising and how can single payer "bend the cost curve"?

    What is PNHP view of ACO's?

    What is PNHP's perspective on the Medicare crisis?

    What is driving an epidemic of adverse reactions to medications in the U.S.? What impact could a single payer system have on this epidemic?

    What about pushing to make health care a "human right"? Is that a good strategy?

    US infant mortality is not high compared to other countries. It just appears that way because of the way we classify life births

    Can the ACA exchanges serve as a stepping stone to single-payer reform?

    Why is important to prohibit hospitals and health systems from retaining an operating surplus?

Still haven't watched the lecture have you?

[nicorulez]

Republicans seem to think the government has money. They don't have money.  They are an escrow service that collects taxes then sends it out to cover bills.  The gov is not a profiting org. Nothing comes out of their pockets.

False we understand that the government gets their money from tax dollars but is incapable of paying their bills completely without borrowing money from China and other countries. They spend too much on wasteful programs and because of the pork of D.C. they are unable to make the difficult choices and get rid of plans and agencies that are wasteful and not efficient. Democrats think the government is made of money. I don't know a Republican who is getting a welfare check; I would guess the ratio is 95 to 5 Dem to Republican.

BTW...the escrow service terminology is laughable. Tell me any Escrow that doles out more than they have 

[The True Adonis]

False we understand that the government gets their money from tax dollars but is incapable of paying their bills completely without borrowing money from China and other countries. They spend too much on wasteful programs and because of the pork of D.C. they are unable to make the difficult choices and get rid of plans and agencies that are wasteful and not efficient. Democrats think the government is made of money. I don't know a Republican who is getting a welfare check; I would guess the ratio is 95 to 5 Dem to Republican.

BTW...the escrow service terminology is laughable. Tell me any Escrow that doles out more than they have 

Most of the Alt-Right are on welfare or do not want/or have a job.  I have had some hilarious PWNINGS of them on Twitter.  One said to me, "Whats the point of trying to get a job when I will just get fired when they figure out that I support the Alt-Right.  Better to focus on getting our message across on social media".


I think you are removed from the average Republican, because they are just as much on welfare as the Democrat bums.

[Elvis_McCartney]

Trump needs to get rid of a lot of his staff who have loose lips and are leaking every bit of info they can.  Especially the never Trumpers that are in power there.

[Tapeworm]

Still waiting for anything that was going to happen. 

There is no try, pillowpants.

[Las Vegas]

You expected something different with trump? I still can't figure out if people that support trump are just trolling or just following party lines but any human with an ounce of brain could tell he'd be a fucking disaster. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman.  Made billions fucking over the small guy then conner those same people to vote for him and they did. He then surrounded himself with the worst cabinet picks ever. The only smart people he chose are McMaster and mad dog. The fact he couldn't see what a fuck up Flynn was shows his bad judgment. Then Devos the sexy old kunt only got the job because she donated $7 million to his campaign. Sessions only got his job because he was one of the first to publicaly back Trump. The whole thing is a giant shit show.

I read about a 1950s TV Western which featured a certain character named Trump.  He sold snake-oil, while peddling a gimmick to "build a wall" to save the other characters.  Saying he's the "only one" who can make it happen.  No shit.

[Las Vegas]

TA...the problem with the current system is people have little choice. Open up the market to all comers, and they will have a plan that will fit just about everyone. If you are young and healthy, you don't need a Cadillac healthcare plan. You can essentially pay a modest sum for so called catastrophic insurance so if something truly officious occurred like a MVA you would not go bankrupt. If you are like me and had cancer at a young age, I had lymphoma, I agree about the no pre-existing medical condition rules, but I am intelligent enough to realize that my rate will be higher which is appropriate. My concern with a single payer system is how to finance it fairly for all, and frankly I don't like the government dictating my healthcare. They are a bureaucracy that already hamstrings patient care inordinately, and I think ultimately thee free market will win out.

For instance, if you don't want Verizon or AT&T,  there are innumerable low cost alternatives that provide 90 percent of the service at a more modest and reasonable price. If you stifle competition and the government has complete control, I see nothing good coming out of it longterm.

You're a doctor, though, so you can probably afford to tell everyone to fuck off.

Maybe you should count your blessings instead of complaining so much.   

[nicorulez]

Most of the Alt-Right are on welfare or do not want/or have a job.  I have had some hilarious PWNINGS of them on Twitter.  One said to me, "Whats the point of trying to get a job when I will just get fired when they figure out that I support the Alt-Right.  Better to focus on getting our message across on social media".


I think you are removed from the average Republican, because they are just as much on welfare as the Democrat bums.

TA unfortunately the Alt right are nothing more than racist, idiotic sum. Hey I can't stand BLM's anymore than the next guy but I have a lot of black friends who are unbelievably intelligent and hard working. These alt right loons were used as fodder for Trump, but I believe the majority of his support was from middle America tired of getting the finger from big government. If a fascist pig like Hitler had money and backing they would support him. True conservatives are not racist; they believe in limited government and hard work.

[Mclovin]

There is only one major political party in the world that doesn't support universal single payer health insurance. It is also the only party in the world that rejects man made global warming.

[nicorulez]

You're a doctor, though, so you can probably afford to tell everyone to fuck off.

Maybe you should count your blessings instead of complaining so much.   

Actually I have a lot of pt's that I see for no charge if they are ill, working but struggling to feed their kids or family, or have severe debility. I am one of the only physicians in the area to take Medicaid, and I am a specialist. I think more physicians would take care of those less fortunate but trying if they could get tort reform and a write off. I think the government throws money at the problem but that doesn't work. Have u ever seen Section 8 housing. Tenants pay very little but they still can't maintain their properties. Another instance is food stamps; in FL a lot of the users go to the strip clubs.

http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/i-team-ebt-money-taken-out-at-strip-clubs-850k-at-liquor-stores/

Once again my point is that a single payer system will fail in our country as too many people are looking for a hand out and not working. If they could implement a system with work requirements and consequences for poor lifestyle choices than Bernie and his compadres may put together something useful. I for one don't see it happening.

[nicorulez]

There is only one major political party in the world that doesn't support universal single payer health insurance. It is also the only party in the world that rejects man made global warming.

Ok if ur going to make such a blanket statement for the whole world, why not back it up with some facts not the Huffington Post or Politico. I am waiting with bated breath. BTW dipshit, say what you will about American medicine but we are universally known to provide the best care. Ask rich Canadians who fly down to the states for surgery. Go to MD Anderson and watch all the foreigners with suitcases of cash coming to get the best cancer care in the world. Idiotic blanket statements like yours just reinforce the stupidity of the left. At least TA is intelligent and argues his points well.

[Las Vegas]

Actually I have a lot of pt's that I see for no charge if they are ill, working but struggling to feed their kids or family, or have severe debility. I am one of the only physicians in the area to take Medicaid, and I am a specialist. I think more physicians would take care of those less fortunate but trying if they could get tort reform and a write off. I think the government throws money at the problem but that doesn't work. Have u ever seen Section 8 housing. Tenants pay very little but they still can't maintain their properties. Another instance is food stamps; in FL a lot of the users go to the strip clubs.

http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/i-team-ebt-money-taken-out-at-strip-clubs-850k-at-liquor-stores/

Once again my point is that a single payer system will fail in our country as too many people are looking for a hand out and not working. If they could implement a system with work requirements and consequences for poor lifestyle choices than Bernie and his compadres may put together something useful. I for one don't see it happening.

I'd like to know your thoughts on modern immigration.

[Skeeter]

Ok if ur going to make such a blanket statement for the whole world, why not back it up with some facts not the Huffington Post or Politico. I am waiting with bated breath. BTW dipshit, say what you will about American medicine but we are universally known to provide the best care. Ask rich Canadians who fly down to the states for surgery. Go to MD Anderson and watch all the foreigners with suitcases of cash coming to get the best cancer care in the world. Idiotic blanket statements like yours just reinforce the stupidity of the left. At least TA is intelligent and argues his points well.

Poor Americans come here and use our medical system as well.

[nicorulez]

I'd like to know your thoughts on modern immigration.

I differ from Trump. I think if you can bring over someone who is willing to assimilate and learn the language and culture, and wants to becoming a contributing member of society and pay their taxes, I absolutely welcome anyone who comes over legally. Why do you think the huge multi-billion companies like Apple and Google hate the idea of limiting H1 visas; these are PhD level individuals who are brilliant and will work cheaper than an American worker. Moreover, there is a glut of PhD's from foreign nations and a dearth here in the US. Thus, to limit intelligent individuals from entering the US because of where they are from is ludicrous. However, I do not like foreigners coming over and learning our trade secrets and then going back to China or India or Slovakia and disseminating our knowledge. I think we should bring over people who have an interest in living in the USA.

As for illegal aliens, I think this is a simple black and white matter. If I or any other American were caught in a foregin country illegally we would be arrested or deported. No questions asked. We certainly would not get food stamps or welfare benefits. I say offer a voluntary deportation of illegals who do not pay taxes this coming year. No questions asked and no penalties. Then, set up a system where people can legally come into the nation on legal work visas. I don't think it is that hard. I think the wall may be some great symbolic symbol but anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that the cost will not be building the beast; it will be upkeep and securing the wall anyway.

In my opinion, I could care less if hispanics continue to grow in percentage. I think if conservatives...theoreti cally Republicans....were smart and not fear based that minorities would actually see that following the Democratic ideology has done nothing but keep minorities like blacks and hispanics in poverty for generations. Inspire education and work ethic and the next generation will be greater than the prior. For the life of me, I just don't understand being a Democrat. Please enlighten me...I can think of nothing they stand for that will lead to a greater country.

[The True Adonis]

There is only one major political party in the world that doesn't support universal single payer health insurance. It is also the only party in the world that rejects man made global warming.

The Democrats did not support Single Payer Healthcare either.  Hillary Clinton made a point to say it would NEVER happen under her watch.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

 By Stephanie Condon CBS News January 29, 2016, 6:56 PM
Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

[Las Vegas]

I differ from Trump. I think if you can bring over someone who is willing to assimilate and learn the language and culture, and wants to becoming a contributing member of society and pay their taxes, I absolutely welcome anyone who comes over legally. Why do you think the huge multi-billion companies like Apple and Google hate the idea of limiting H1 visas; these are PhD level individuals who are brilliant and will work cheaper than an American worker. Moreover, there is a glut of PhD's from foreign nations and a dearth here in the US. Thus, to limit intelligent individuals from entering the US because of where they are from is ludicrous. However, I do not like foreigners coming over and learning our trade secrets and then going back to China or India or Slovakia and disseminating our knowledge. I think we should bring over people who have an interest in living in the USA.

As for illegal aliens, I think this is a simple black and white matter. If I or any other American were caught in a foregin country illegally we would be arrested or deported. No questions asked. We certainly would not get food stamps or welfare benefits. I say offer a voluntary deportation of illegals who do not pay taxes this coming year. No questions asked and no penalties. Then, set up a system where people can legally come into the nation on legal work visas. I don't think it is that hard. I think the wall may be some great symbolic symbol but anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that the cost will not be building the beast; it will be upkeep and securing the wall anyway.

In my opinion, I could care less if hispanics continue to grow in percentage. I think if conservatives...theoreti cally Republicans....were smart and not fear based that minorities would actually see that following the Democratic ideology has done nothing but keep minorities like blacks and hispanics in poverty for generations. Inspire education and work ethic and the next generation will be greater than the prior. For the life of me, I just don't understand being a Democrat. Please enlighten me...I can think of nothing they stand for that will lead to a greater country.

But doesn't it make the problem you mentioned in previous post, worse?  The problem involving those who appear to be draining the system.

Meaning that we have only so much opportunity to reliably go around.

[The True Adonis]

I differ from Trump. I think if you can bring over someone who is willing to assimilate and learn the language and culture, and wants to becoming a contributing member of society and pay their taxes, I absolutely welcome anyone who comes over legally. Why do you think the huge multi-billion companies like Apple and Google hate the idea of limiting H1 visas; these are PhD level individuals who are brilliant and will work cheaper than an American worker. Moreover, there is a glut of PhD's from foreign nations and a dearth here in the US. Thus, to limit intelligent individuals from entering the US because of where they are from is ludicrous. However, I do not like foreigners coming over and learning our trade secrets and then going back to China or India or Slovakia and disseminating our knowledge. I think we should bring over people who have an interest in living in the USA.

As for illegal aliens, I think this is a simple black and white matter. If I or any other American were caught in a foregin country illegally we would be arrested or deported. No questions asked. We certainly would not get food stamps or welfare benefits. I say offer a voluntary deportation of illegals who do not pay taxes this coming year. No questions asked and no penalties. Then, set up a system where people can legally come into the nation on legal work visas. I don't think it is that hard. I think the wall may be some great symbolic symbol but anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that the cost will not be building the beast; it will be upkeep and securing the wall anyway.

In my opinion, I could care less if hispanics continue to grow in percentage. I think if conservatives...theoreti cally Republicans....were smart and not fear based that minorities would actually see that following the Democratic ideology has done nothing but keep minorities like blacks and hispanics in poverty for generations. Inspire education and work ethic and the next generation will be greater than the prior. For the life of me, I just don't understand being a Democrat. Please enlighten me...I can think of nothing they stand for that will lead to a greater country.

I differ in that I think we should close the borders permanently and cap immigration to almost non-existent levels.  We don`t need any more humans in the United States, we have enough already.

[The Ugly]

It's not a privilege.  It's a service.  You pay for it.

Inequity arises when people don't pay their fair share and the rest of us have to foot the bill.  This happens under government programs as well as insurer run care.

Therefore, I modestly propose that people put aside money for their medical expenses and simply pay for the quackery they receive.  Naturally, they are free not to do so if they are of the live fast/die young school.  What could be fairer?  You pay for what you get.

Who doesn't?  The elderly, in particular, are detriments to the bottom line.  They are endlessly plagued with one affliction or another.  Always at the doctor's.  Are they paying their fair share?  The physically and/or mentally unsound, although fewer in number than the decrepit, present a dire strain to any system which foolishly volunteers to fund them.  Having never been able to work, they leach.  And since they're not feebly knocking upon St Peter's door, it's likely they'll continue to enjoy free lunches for many years.

Another class of these panhandling freeloaders are children.  Granted, the more industrious are mowing lawns etc, but the majority have eaten and video gamed themselves into obesity and diabeetus. Infants are notorious deadbeats who spend most of their lives lying around and having their every desire attended posthaste.  And then we wonder where a sense of entitlement comes from.

But I digress.  Either someone can afford a service or he can't.  Who's with me?

 

[The Ugly]

Trump needs to get rid of a lot of his staff who have loose lips and are leaking every bit of info they can.  Especially the never Trumpers that are in power there fucking impeached already, give the nutty Jesus freak a go.

Couldn't agree more.

[nicorulez]

I differ in that I think we should close the borders permanently and cap immigration to almost non-existent levels.  We don`t need any more humans in the United States, we have enough already.

TA I agree we have tons of people but for advanced degrees we are lacking. We lack physicians in under-served communities. New York has thousands of surgeons while podunk, TX may have one doc covering three counties. We need educated, motivated individuals willing to work and assimilate. Nothing ticks me off more than people who come here and refuse to embrace our language and culture. TA as far as the uneducated worker, I'm cool with a moratorium but will Americans do the same job as current illegals at a reasonable rate.

[Mclovin]

The Democrats did not support Single Payer Healthcare either.  Hillary Clinton made a point to say it would NEVER happen under her watch.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

 By Stephanie Condon CBS News January 29, 2016, 6:56 PM
Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

True, but that is probably only because the US is generally more conservative than most countries and so they fear that taking that position would be bad politically. Just like Trump probably supports single payer but isn't going to say that now.

[AbrahamG]

True, but that is probably only because the US is generally more conservative than most countries and so they fear that taking that position would be bad politically. Just like Trump probably supports single payer but isn't going to say that now.

I don't believe for one second that she is against single payer.  I think she believes it's unattainable and energy would be better spent on a health care plan that can pass and still do good.

She is fucking wrong and spineless in that regard. 

[Victor VonDoom]

I haven`t given up on Trump yet, I just stated that thus far his administration has been a failure.  He would admit it, off the record of course as well.  Most of his major goals have been subverted or totally have been failures (Healthcare) and the funny thing is, the subversion and failure is largely due to other Republicans. 

Trump still supports Single Payer, but his cohorts won`t even think about it.  Shows you how dumb they really are.

Doom agrees.  Trump's Interim report card to date:

Travel ban 1.0... F
Travel ban 2.0... F
Declare China a currency manipulator on day one... F
Repeal the Affordable Care Act... F
Replace the Affordable Care Act... F
Build that wall... Incomplete
End the war in Iraq... F
Lock her up... F
Defeat ISIS... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Stop North Korea.... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Exit NATO... (reversed position) F
Exit NAFTA... F
Fill positions requiring Senate confirmation... Incomplete (leaning toward D)
Fill Supreme Court vacancy... A
Overhaul the tax code... Incomplete (leaning toward F)
Bring back manufacturing jobs... Incomplete (leaning toward F)

Grade: F+

Assessment: His entire legislative agenda (not moving fast to begin with) has now been put on hold while the Senate investigates... the House investigates... and Mueller investigates.  Each of these investigations could easily take 1-3 years.  Worst of all, the administration's wounds are self inflicted.  This will not end well.

Bah!