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Title: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on June 14, 2017, 06:54:25 PM
What say you? I now say choice or oriented in unhealthy circumstances.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on June 14, 2017, 06:56:25 PM
fuck off with this bullshit already. Your posts and threads are retarded
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Schnauzer on June 14, 2017, 06:57:32 PM
What say you? I now say choice or oriented in unhealthy circumstances.

Look in a mirror and ask yourself, you big homo.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 14, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
It's an interesting question with no concrete answer.

Yet because we live in a society where it's okay to reassign your gender in your 70s but speaking poorly of other ethnicity/cultures/religions/sex makes you a hate filled bigot open discussion on this topic won't happen.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: 6 Reps on June 14, 2017, 08:35:59 PM
What say you? I now say choice or oriented in unhealthy circumstances.

Incorrect.  It is not a choice.  No one "chooses" their sexual preference.  There are a few people who are bisexual, but they are the really small minority.

Go ask some gay men or lesbian woman, face to face, if they "chose" their sexual orientation.  

If sexual preference is really a choice, ask yourself, did I choose being straight?  If I chose being straight, when did I make that choice?  Why did I make that choice?  What were the factors that went into that decision?  

Chances are at puberty your dick signaled to you it liked pussy.  It didn't like other dick.  Thus you "decided" to "choose" being straight.  With gay men, their dicks signaled it liked other dicks and it did not like pussy.  Ditto
for lesbians, their pussies liked other pussies, not dick.


Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cephissus on June 14, 2017, 09:02:28 PM
Perhaps choice is a natural orientation?

???
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cephissus on June 14, 2017, 09:05:19 PM
Quote
Chances are at puberty your dick signaled to you it liked pussy.  It didn't like other dick.  Thus you "decided" to "choose" being straight.  With gay men, their dicks signaled it liked other dicks and it did not like pussy.  Ditto
for lesbians, their pussies liked other pussies, not dick.
Is there some other way that "choosing" happens?

Very confusing thread!
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Straw Man on June 14, 2017, 09:18:49 PM
What say you? I now say choice or oriented in unhealthy circumstances.

who gives a shit?

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 14, 2017, 09:22:52 PM
What say you? I now say choice or oriented in unhealthy circumstances.

Ask Strawman. He's Gay. Ask him if it's natural or did obama just shove his cock in his mouth and decided it was an acquired taste and actually liked the taste of cock(s) and stuck with it.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 14, 2017, 09:37:18 PM
Perhaps choice is a natural orientation?

???
I think I like that...
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: jr on June 14, 2017, 09:43:00 PM
Why would someone choose to be gay lol
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cephissus on June 14, 2017, 09:45:59 PM
Why would someone choose to be gay lol

Why not -- would certainly make my life easier! ;D
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 14, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
Why would someone choose to be gay lol

I yield the question to Strawman
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Straw Man on June 14, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
I yield the question to Strawman

I refer back to my first post on this thread

Who gives a shit?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Straw Man on June 14, 2017, 10:08:13 PM
Ask Strawman. He's Gay. Ask him if it's natural or did obama just shove his cock in his mouth and decided it was an acquired taste and actually liked the taste of cock(s) and stuck with it.

Just so you have no confusion

You and I don't know each other

Remember?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dieter on June 14, 2017, 10:14:40 PM
Here's your answer to this timeless question. ..

Half of all gay men are born that way. .. the other half get sucked into it.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: TonyAlva on June 14, 2017, 10:18:53 PM
Interesting...Vince? Prime?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: manuelsonn on June 14, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
It s zoophilia or pedophilia a choice or natural orientation?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2017, 10:35:22 PM
Just so you have no confusion

You and I don't know each other

Remember?

You are the expert on all things gay
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: phreak on June 15, 2017, 12:37:16 AM
If orientation was a choice I'd choose to be attracted to dumpy middle-aged single mothers with poor hygiene, since they are easiest to fuck.

So no, not a choice.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: SuperTed on June 15, 2017, 02:04:58 AM
Not necessarily a choice but I think environmental factor and upbringing can play a role in how your sexuality develops.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 15, 2017, 03:40:48 AM
It s zoophilia or pedophilia a choice or natural orientation?

And this is where the problem with sexual orientation discussion starts.....

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on June 15, 2017, 06:34:18 AM
fuck off with this bullshit already. Your posts and threads are retarded

Thanks.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: residue on June 15, 2017, 06:53:57 AM
It's an interesting question with no concrete answer.

Yet because we live in a society where it's okay to reassign your gender in your 70s but speaking poorly of other ethnicity/cultures/religions/sex makes you a hate filled bigot open discussion on this topic won't happen.


there is a concrete answer; animals engage in homosexual sex, animals that exist entirely in nature. does anyone need the etymology of the word natural?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 15, 2017, 07:25:44 AM
With all the hate and rejection (even by friends and family) why would you not chose being Heterosexual ?



Or better yet :

Heterosexual : natural orientation or choice ?

... And If you can chose being hetero why go gay ?




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   LEVRO` NEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Kwon on June 15, 2017, 07:29:14 AM
Ask yourself this:


Would you want to be gay?


Would you want to be black?


Would you want to be muslim?


Would you want to be John McCain?


Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 15, 2017, 07:32:13 AM
there is a concrete answer; animals engage in homosexual sex, animals that exist entirely in nature. does anyone need the etymology of the word natural?


Animals also eat their own young and engage in reproduction with their own offspring.

Also natural. Some animals are able to reproduce via a sexual reproduction.

Is this what you were trying to accomplish with your answer?

It's a 100% fact that all homosexual and bisexual orientation is biological. Good.


Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 15, 2017, 07:33:34 AM
With all the hate and rejection (even by friends and family) why would you not chose being Heterosexual ?



Or better yet :

Heterosexual : natural orientation or choice ?

... And If you can chose being hetero why go gay ?




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   LEVRO` NEEEEEEEEE

Is it completely a choice? People choose to be outcasts all the time.

Again interesting question.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: mphgrove on June 15, 2017, 08:02:07 AM
In a nutshell, mostly natural orientation but some element of choice both on the part of the culture at large and at the level of the individual:
Individual: more people are somewhat bisexual (natural orientation) than we tend to think. As they become adults, these people may push themselves one way or another depending on many factors.
Culture: use the Greeks as an example. Modern day Greeks are more or less like every body else, but huge numbers of older men loved younger men or boys in ancient Greece and the younger men and their parents went right along with it. Greeks' genetics and natural orientation did not change; the culture changed.

All that said, you are mainly the way you were born (your genes).
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 15, 2017, 08:21:18 AM
zzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: MAXX on June 15, 2017, 08:34:24 AM
mental disorder
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on June 15, 2017, 08:44:59 AM
Seems the OP is trying to figure out why he feels a tingling sensation in his pants when he watches oiled up men in thongs posing.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 15, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
In a nutshell, mostly natural orientation but some element of choice both on the part of the culture at large and at the level of the individual:
Individual: more people are somewhat bisexual (natural orientation) than we tend to think. As they become adults, these people may push themselves one way or another depending on many factors.
Culture: use the Greeks as an example. Modern day Greeks are more or less like every body else, but huge numbers of older men loved younger men or boys in ancient Greece and the younger men and their parents went right along with it. Greeks' genetics and natural orientation did not change; the culture changed.

All that said, you are mainly the way you were born (your genes).

Good answer, it's noteworthy that the Greeks sexual interest in children wasn't  shunned but embraced.

Is the thought that pedophilia (or whatever other type of sexuality society has classified as deviant) is actually a natural genetic orientation then?

Natural predisposition is an interesting perspective.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: mphgrove on June 15, 2017, 09:53:18 AM
Good answer, it's noteworthy that the Greeks sexual interest in children wasn't  shunned but embraced.

Is the thought that pedophilia (or whatever other type of sexuality society has classified as deviant) is actually a natural genetic orientation then?

Natural predisposition is an interesting perspective.

Maybe on pedophilia to some extent but I am going to go with two other factors.
A poster above has posted "mental disorder" and I don't altogether disagree with that post. While the primary factor is genes (which are natural, not a disorder) and culture is next, a third factor is traumatic experiences when young (mental disorder). These certainly contribute to pedophilia and can even contribute to being gay (not a poplular view among today's gays).

The other factor is morality (part of culture). The main reason Greek attitudes have changed is most likely the adoption of Christian morality in the more modern era. The moral concepts that most of us (Christian or not) now possess have us disapproving of what ancient Greeks did with very young persons regardless of whether their impulse came from natural orientation, culture, or mental disorder.  On the other hand, most but not all of us are comfortable with what consenting adults want to do or who they want to love.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 15, 2017, 11:33:14 AM
I don't know, but I can only go by what I've seen since I'm good friends with some homos.

It seems to me that there is at least two types.  Real gays that might be born that way, and confused mentally ill experimenters. 

Regardless, it doesn't affect me.  Do what you want to whomever you want as far as I'm concerned.  If God thinks you've done something wrong then you will be judged...like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: stuntmovie on June 15, 2017, 11:33:24 AM
Interesting topic, but in my opinion MPH said it best regarding the 'moral' connection.

But haven't the experts within this field 'discovered' the facts that would answer this question.

As an aside .... In this day and age it does appear that more 'straight guys' seem to enjoy 'experimenting' when it comes to any type of activity relating to any type of sexual activity.

In my day ... what was once  considered to he 'taboo'  and never even given any serious thought nor consideration ....  is now somewhat common and acceptable.

What brought that change about and how will it all be 50 years from now?

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 15, 2017, 11:56:56 AM
Interesting topic, but in my opinion MPH said it best regarding the 'moral' connection.

But haven't the experts within this field 'discovered' the facts that would answer this question.

As an aside .... In this day and age it does appear that more 'straight guys' seem to enjoy 'experimenting' when it comes to any type of activity relating to any type of sexual activity.

In my day ... what was once  considered to he 'taboo'  and never even given any serious thought nor consideration ....  is now somewhat common and acceptable.

What brought that change about and how will it all be 50 years from now?



It still took place it was more of a secret though.

See Ric Drasin and his recent release of his old videos.

There's nothing new under the sun, people are more connected and public. Because of social media and public shaming the minority seem like the majority.

Someone mentioned that media coverage of public shootings makes it seem like its an epidemic, yet with over 320 million citizens the shootings make up a miniscule amount of the crime/death rate. Coverage makes it seem far more prominent.

Same thing here, according to a government census  1.6% of Americans identify as gay or lesbian and .7 % identify as bisexual.  Gallup data suggests 4% of the population identified as LGBT and 7.3 % of millennials are LGBT.

Miniscule numbers that look larger.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: mphgrove on June 15, 2017, 12:45:59 PM
I don't know, but I can only go by what I've seen since I'm good friends with some homos.

It seems to me that there is at least two types.  Real gays that might be born that way, and confused mentally ill experimenters. 


I completely agree with the "two types" concept expressed above. I would add persons born with bisexual orientation who push themselves or get pushed in a certain direction by various factors such as who they fall in love with, what society wants them to do, what circumstances they end up in (e.g., church, prison, submarine, etc.).

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: TheShape. on June 15, 2017, 01:45:43 PM
You can choose how gay you act and look.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: illuminati on June 15, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
Interesting topic, but in my opinion MPH said it best regarding the 'moral' connection.

But haven't the experts within this field 'discovered' the facts that would answer this question.

As an aside .... In this day and age it does appear that more 'straight guys' seem to enjoy 'experimenting' when it comes to any type of activity relating to any type of sexual activity.

In my day ... what was once  considered to he 'taboo'  and never even given any serious thought nor consideration ....  is now somewhat common and acceptable.

What brought that change about and how will it all be 50 years from now?



 and how will it all be 50 years from now?

A Fcuking sight worse than it is now.
& it's already in a right mess.


Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: stuntmovie on June 15, 2017, 02:25:10 PM
DAVE, I sorta, kinda, completely agree with you regarding the following statement that you made above ...."Because of social media and public shaming the minority seem like the majority."

BUT ... I still believe that most everything related to any type of sexual activity was far less in number than it is today .... regardless of the internet's social media, etc., etc.

Prior to the Beatnik and the Hippy days, (1960's) we were in somewhat of a Victorian age (relatively speaking) regarding all things sexual.

And when 'free sex' became a relatively common practice in the early 1960's ... the shit hit the fan and eventually led to the death of many thousands.

15 minutes later ..... after feeding the animals ... I forgot the point that I was trying to make ..... but sexual activity  and everything related to sexual activity has changed immensely since I first got involved in the game.

And I'm sure those changes will continue as time advances,

So that is why I have asked, "What will be going on 59 years from now?"
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 15, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
I don't know, but I can only go by what I've seen since I'm good friends with some homos.

It seems to me that there is at least two types.  Real gays that might be born that way, and confused mentally ill experimenters. 

Regardless, it doesn't affect me.  Do what you want to whomever you want as far as I'm concerned.  If God thinks you've done something wrong then you will be judged...like the rest of us.
Why am I not surprised......
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cart@@n on June 15, 2017, 02:56:44 PM
If being gay is to have sex with another man, its a voluntary choice.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Nirvana on June 15, 2017, 03:26:05 PM
America 2017: Being gay is a choice but being fat is genetic.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 15, 2017, 03:35:18 PM
and how will it all be 50 years from now?

A Fcuking sight worse than it is now.
& it's already in a right mess.




just over 50 years ago it was illegal to be gay in the UK
in 50 years time people will be marrying farm animals
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Kwon on June 15, 2017, 03:48:54 PM
just over 50 years ago it was illegal to be gay in the UK
in 50 years time people will be marrying farm animals

It's even legal to be a Liberal these days so it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on June 15, 2017, 03:51:55 PM
I think for men it's not a choice but for a lot of woman I do think it is a choice.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cephissus on June 15, 2017, 04:41:08 PM
This question will spin around on its head forever as long as "choice" is so wrongly understood.

"You choose how to act but not how to feel." R-e-eally? ???
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: mphgrove on June 15, 2017, 04:55:00 PM
This question will spin around on its head forever as long as "choice" is so wrongly understood.

"You choose how to act but not how to feel." R-e-eally? ???

Not so fast. We feel a million different things.  Being gay is just as much about how we act as how we feel.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Pray_4_War on June 15, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Why am I not surprised......

You aren't surprised because being a member of Getbig.com already proved that I'm willing to hang out with reprobates.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Chidoman on June 15, 2017, 05:21:41 PM
What about in a situation like this?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=632566.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=632566.0)
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: oldtimer1 on June 15, 2017, 07:37:25 PM
When I was young it was called mental illness. Then a psychologist association got together and said it wasn't making headlines in the news.  I think it's a choice like liking big ass Spanish girls over skinny ass Irish ones. Having said that there are a few males that are effeminate through childhood, teens and adults that tells me maybe for them it's genetic. Same for females on the masculine traits.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 15, 2017, 08:28:02 PM
Nature vs nurture has been argued since 1690 and john lockes theories. It this seriously the originality of ideas on this board? This is what shitty talk radio hosts do every day by trotting out the good old stale stories that get ratings...racism...abort ion..illegal immigration....isnt Trump horrible...and of course now anything gay...gay marriage, and this old story you introduce here...This has been debated to DEATH over gay couples adopting...if kids would be gay....don't be a puppet and just repeat this...take a necessary stance against the media and think for yourself....talk about something you're really curious about outside stale pop culture....

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cephissus on June 15, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
Nature vs nurture has been argued since 1690 and john lockes theories. It this seriously the originality of ideas on this board? This is what shitty talk radio hosts do every day by trotting out the good old stale stories that get ratings...racism...abort ion..illegal immigration....isnt Trump horrible...and of course now anything gay...gay marriage, and this old story you introduce here...This has been debated to DEATH over gay couples adopting...if kids would be gay....don't be a puppet and just repeat this...take a necessary stance against the media and think for yourself....talk about something you're really curious about outside stale pop culture....



Whatever did people find to talk about before 1690?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 15, 2017, 08:47:22 PM
Whatever did people find to talk about before 1690?
Wes.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 15, 2017, 08:52:46 PM
You can choose how gay you act and look.
So you can choose how manly you act and look then? Seems like you're hiding something...
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 15, 2017, 09:40:15 PM
Whatever did people find to talk about before 1690?
There was a time when some people talked to each other...real thoughts expressed in real ways...then the demons came..the television...nightly news....stop thinking politically...well tell you the news.Now we dont ever really notice what our eyes see...if were told racism is important...it becomes Important to you even if you never see it. Right now were selling racism. ..abortion...the wall....fuckin Trump probably playing ALL OF US...new the wall would get huge ratings....bought shares in Media Giant before breaking exclusive about wall on same media giant. Art of the Deal baby.

Gotta get our minds back!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on June 15, 2017, 11:41:23 PM
Only if you want it to be
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Taffin on June 16, 2017, 01:56:53 AM
Ask yourself this:

Would you want to be gay?

Would you want to be black?

Would you want to be muslim?

Would you want to be John McCain?


Hmmmm....  I don't like the sound of this McCain fella.....

(http://15858-presscdn-0-65.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Most-Confused-Owls-on-Earth-15.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: CalvinH on June 16, 2017, 05:46:39 AM
who gives a shit?




x2
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on June 16, 2017, 05:47:58 AM
who gives a shit?



Great post!
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: gib on June 16, 2017, 06:03:32 AM
What desires you act upon is a conscious choice.

A person might well be born a gay or poedefile etc but it's a deliberate decision to actually commit these acts.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 16, 2017, 12:03:18 PM

x2


x3
x4 (that's for my boyfriend--im quite sure he'd agree)
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Kwon on June 16, 2017, 02:50:00 PM
Hmmmm....  I don't like the sound of this McCain fella.....

(http://15858-presscdn-0-65.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Most-Confused-Owls-on-Earth-15.jpeg)
:D ;D
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Spike on June 16, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
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Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 16, 2017, 04:01:04 PM
J

The background is breathtaking. The foreground is having a hard time breathing.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=632577.0;attach=731292;image)
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: 6 Reps on June 21, 2017, 11:34:22 AM
Former offensive lineman for the New England Patriots and Kansas City Chiefs, Ryan O'Callaghan, has just come out as being gay.  He is 6'7" and 330 pounds.  He was planning to kill himself for being gay.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_594a1d9ae4b0db570d378c83?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: dj181 on June 21, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
Whatever did people find to talk about before 1690?

your mom  ???
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 21, 2017, 12:10:43 PM
America 2017: Being gay is a choice but being fat is genetic.
;D
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 21, 2017, 01:37:23 PM
Doesn't hurt that if you get HIV you are immediately on Ssi...bills paid..and any and all anabolics free as they are approved for hiv wasting. Several gay Golds guys living the life. Even free house cleaning. With free modern drug cocktail taxpayers are required to pay for youll stay healthy.., just lift train...relax..Go pick up free, legit us pharmacy anabolics and relax.

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: _bruce_ on June 21, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
It seems that some people are born homosexual[1] due to being exposed to a certain hormonal "cock"tail in the womb while others take the easy route and decide to fuck amongst the same sex.


[1]no homo
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: residue on June 21, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
when you're an embryo and your dad fucks your mom too much you get used to the taste of semen in the womb
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 21, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
Getbiggers tearing up the science books in this thread......
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 21, 2017, 02:30:36 PM
Getbiggers tearing up the science books in this thread......

Source?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 21, 2017, 02:42:00 PM
Source?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=mlist
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 21, 2017, 02:53:39 PM
Do you guys think that Magic ever really had HIV, or was it a ploy to get the world to notice the dangers of the disease? Didn't they say a few years ago that Magic doesn't even show signs of HIV anymore?

His nickname definitely has been earned.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 21, 2017, 03:07:14 PM
Eveything in nature serves a purpose. And the only thing we absolutely KNOW is natural is heterosexuality...becaus e it is the only means by which humans can reproduce and no reproduction...no humans. The only way homosexuality is "natural" is as a form of population control.  EVERYONE must come from heterosexuality..there is no other way you exist. That is nature. I say this with no hate...just common sense. If Adam and eve were gay...the Bible would be a very short book.

Frankly, its kind of an insult to suggest homosexuality is "natural" because it means something in your genetic makeup nature does not want to pass on to future generations.

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 21, 2017, 03:08:35 PM
Eveything in nature serves a purpose. And the only thing we abaolutely KNOW is natural is heterosexuality...becaus e it is the only means by which humans can reproduce and no reproduction...no humans. The only way homosexuality is "natural" is as a form of population control.  EVERYONE must come from heterosexuality..there is no other way you exist. That is nature. I say this with no hate...just common sense. If Adam and eve were gay...the Bible would be a very short book.

Frankly, its kind of an insult to suggest homosexuality is "natural" because it means something in your genetic makeup nature does not want to pass on to future generations.



Baby Jesus?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 21, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
Baby Jesus is an argument about God..not nature
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 21, 2017, 05:15:01 PM
Eveything in nature serves a purpose. And the only thing we absolutely KNOW is natural is heterosexuality...becaus e it is the only means by which humans can reproduce and no reproduction...no humans. The only way homosexuality is "natural" is as a form of population control.  EVERYONE must come from heterosexuality..there is no other way you exist. That is nature. I say this with no hate...just common sense. If Adam and eve were gay...the Bible would be a very short book.

Frankly, its kind of an insult to suggest homosexuality is "natural" because it means something in your genetic makeup nature does not want to pass on to future generations.


Just to clarify your point of view. You're staying the whole point of human life is just having kids and then dying? Who hurt you? ???
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 21, 2017, 05:19:14 PM
Just to clarify your point of view. You're staying the whole point of human life is just having kids and then dying? Who hurt you? ???
Yes...in a discussion about what is "natural"....the only provable aspect of nature is reproduction...without reproduction there is no humanity...what is moral or not is debatable....but this thread started as a debate about what is natural....and reproduction is the only natural rule that must be followed or its the extinction of a species
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 21, 2017, 06:28:03 PM
Just to clarify your point of view. You're staying the whole point of human life is just having kids and then dying? Who hurt you? ???
Perfect example political correctness..."just" having kids...pure insult...for years women were told don't be "just" a mother and housewife....and we're seeing the results of children without proper parenting because their parents don't want to "just" have kids. ....what an amazing and important responsibility to have a child and pass on everything you are...genetically...spir itually...in the hope that your child will have a better life than you did....and you call it "just" having kids....this is the attack on heterosexual men that we are tired of.

Political correcteness has FAILED!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Kwon on June 21, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
Just to clarify your point of view. You're staying the whole point of human life is just having kids and then dying? Who hurt you? ???

Just like any animals purpose.

We are still animals with animal instincts driving us, regardless of how "civilized" we think us to be.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 21, 2017, 08:14:11 PM
Just like any animals purpose.

We are still animals with animal instincts driving us, regardless of how "civilized" we think us to be.

Can animals build a car?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 21, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
Perfect example political correctness..."just" having kids...pure insult...for years women were told don't be "just" a mother and housewife....and we're seeing the results of children without proper parenting because their parents don't want to "just" have kids. ....what an amazing and important responsibility to have a child and pass on everything you are...genetically...spir itually...in the hope that your child will have a better life than you did....and you call it "just" having kids....this is the attack on heterosexual men that we are tired of.

Political correcteness has FAILED!!!!!!!!
FYI, this comes from a soon to be father. I'll be a great father, but so were billions of other men.
But, Yes just having kids is true though, it is nothing special at all. Billions of people do it, so much that we have an overpopulation problem. You are nothing special because you have kids. The world isn't better.
Kids don't define a great life. You thinking so, just shows how pitiful your life is. Again, you hurt you? :'(
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 21, 2017, 08:46:58 PM
FYI, this comes from a soon to be father. I'll be a great father, but so were billions of other men.
But, Yes just having kids is true though, it is nothing special at all. Billions of people do it, so much that we have an overpopulation problem. You are nothing special because you have kids. The world isn't better.
Kids don't define a great life. You thinking so, just shows how pitiful your life is. Again, you hurt you? :'(


 ??? So nothing is special because everyone else can/has done it.

He didn't say having kids define a great life or that having them was "special", he said it was an important responsibility and a worthwhile endeavor to raise them.

His point was that a woman being mother was a career/life style choice for years, now it's not an option for most because we need more things, trips, titles and recognition to make us "feel special".

You're better than this bro.


And congratulations on the baby!
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 21, 2017, 08:54:41 PM
??? So nothing is special because everyone else can/has done it.

He didn't say having kids define a great life or that having them was "special", he said it was an important responsibility and a worthwhile endeavor to raise them.

His point was that a woman being mother was a career/life style choice for years, now it's not an option for most because we need more things, trips, titles and recognition to make us "feel special".

You're better than this bro.


And congratulations on the baby!
Worthwhile? Yes.
Claiming that humanity is sumed up by just popping out kids in his previous post? No.
We are, are should be, better, and greater then that.

Oh and thanks.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: 6 Reps on June 21, 2017, 08:56:51 PM
Eveything in nature serves a purpose. And the only thing we absolutely KNOW is natural is heterosexuality...becaus e it is the only means by which humans can reproduce and no reproduction...no humans. The only way homosexuality is "natural" is as a form of population control.  EVERYONE must come from heterosexuality..there is no other way you exist. That is nature. I say this with no hate...just common sense. If Adam and eve were gay...the Bible would be a very short book.

Frankly, its kind of an insult to suggest homosexuality is "natural" because it means something in your genetic makeup nature does not want to pass on to future generations.



It has been argued that homosexuality, regardless if male/male or female/female, is one of the tools that NATURE uses to control the population, just as it uses "survival of the fittest."

Also, the renowned sex researcher Dr. Alfred Kinsey once said:

"The only unnatural sex act is that which you cannot perform."
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: cephissus on June 21, 2017, 09:36:13 PM
Eveything in nature serves a purpose. And the only thing we absolutely KNOW is natural is heterosexuality...becaus e it is the only means by which humans can reproduce and no reproduction...no humans. The only way homosexuality is "natural" is as a form of population control.  EVERYONE must come from heterosexuality..there is no other way you exist. That is nature. I say this with no hate...just common sense. If Adam and eve were gay...the Bible would be a very short book.

Frankly, its kind of an insult to suggest homosexuality is "natural" because it means something in your genetic makeup nature does not want to pass on to future generations.



Read "on the origin of species" and try again
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 21, 2017, 10:31:21 PM
Do you guys think that Magic ever really had HIV, or was it a ploy to get the world to notice the dangers of the disease? Didn't they say a few years ago that Magic doesn't even show signs of HIV anymore?

His nickname definitely has been earned.
I never knew his positive status was ever a question.
What I DO know is that there's a popular gay bar here in Vegas called The Phoenix..fyi sorta thing..

https://www.facebook.com/thephoenixlv/
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 21, 2017, 10:53:59 PM
I never knew his positive status was ever a question.
What I DO know is that there's a popular gay bar here in Vegas called The Phoenix..fyi sorta thing..

https://www.facebook.com/thephoenixlv/
Takes the wind right out of my sails...... :-X
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 22, 2017, 05:23:40 AM
Read "on the origin of species" and try again
Should be getbig motto...read someone elses words or images and spew them here as your own....my thoughts are based on common sense and I represent them as my own...right or wrong...

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 22, 2017, 05:34:33 AM
FYI, this comes from a soon to be father. I'll be a great father, but so were billions of other men.
But, Yes just having kids is true though, it is nothing special at all. Billions of people do it, so much that we have an overpopulation problem. You are nothing special because you have kids. The world isn't better.
Kids don't define a great life. You thinking so, just shows how pitiful your life is. Again, you hurt you? :'(

Having kids is "nothing special at all." There it is folks. The problem wrapped up in a nutshell...just shell em out and let the internet raise em. Btw...I don't have kids....As Im not prepared to devote my life to them yet...I don't need "population control."..I have something you liberals are fighting so hard to get rid of...personal control and responsibility. And you find living my life this way "pitiful".
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 22, 2017, 05:43:50 AM
Do you guys think that Magic ever really had HIV, or was it a ploy to get the world to notice the dangers of the disease? Didn't they say a few years ago that Magic doesn't even show signs of HIV anymore?

His nickname definitely has been earned.
Diseases can't pick and choose who they affect yet homoaexuals made up nearly 70% of new Hiv cases in magics time...rather than address more responsible behavior by homosexuals....they used Magic..picking one of the most masculine, virile, seemingly heterosexual sports stars to show "anyone can get it."...straight or gay...they used Ryan White the same way..poor kid..years ago...see kids are getting it too...it affects all of us

When really this was for money to push a homosexual agenda. Money for "aids education"...was money to support a homosexual agenda...including gay marriage and transgender...classic bait and switch

I'm all about live and let live...just tired of the homosexuals in the media forcing their lifestyle on everyone else.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 22, 2017, 05:58:09 AM
OH please....
Nobody is forcing any agenda on you.
You're a straight guy-this is YOUR world.
U know it and I know it.

There's no fucking hidden agenda.
Just leave us the fuck alone.



...and don't deny us the same rights YOU have.

Because I like the same sex, that makes me less than you?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: falco on June 22, 2017, 06:27:30 AM
I always liked tits. Nobody taught me to like'em. I don't get excited with flat chested women. Since teenager.

The same way i believe homos are into other men because it's in their nature.

I also have known sexual predators that just fuck everything that breathes, or corpses for that matter. I don't even consider them hetero or homo, just dick driven souls.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 22, 2017, 06:31:30 AM
OH please....
Nobody is forcing any agenda on you.
You're a straight guy-this is YOUR world.
U know it and I know it.

There's no fucking hidden agenda.
Just leave us the fuck alone.



...and don't deny us the same rights YOU have.

Because I like the same sex, that makes me less than you?

leave you alone?
If we do that you cry for attention.

Fuck me Homosexuals are the only ones "proud" of their sexuality FFS.

no one else cares.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 22, 2017, 06:39:09 AM
there is a concrete answer; animals engage in homosexual sex, animals that exist entirely in nature. does anyone need the etymology of the word natural?
Animals rape and murder also....my dog tries to kill squirrels...I don't say "well its in his nature"...Humans were created with intelligence to be the stewards of the earth...protectors of all of Gods creatures. We decide our behavior...which is different than the rest of the animal kingdom

What's "natural" for an animal is not natural for a human because we were created with the ability to choose our behavior.. That's the problem with our society....be a girl..be a boy...fuck whatever...raise your kids or don't if you don't want to...You and your pleasure come 1st

Just try to avoid tne trap of calling me hateful...the media is making a LOT of money by everyone calling each other hate mongers

Let's just have open honest, debates without the manufactured agenda of the media where we all conform to calling each other racist and sexist as the Media giants laugh at how easy we fall into the trap of not thinking for ourselves.

Make me seem like an idiot...prove my arguments futile with your superior intellect

Just please don't be a pawn to the system by calling me hateful, racist or homophobic.

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 22, 2017, 09:42:17 AM
It has been argued that homosexuality, regardless if male/male or female/female, is one of the tools that NATURE uses to control the population, just as it uses "survival of the fittest."

Also, the renowned sex researcher Dr. Alfred Kinsey once said:

"The only unnatural sex act is that which you cannot perform."


1) what study is this based on? When has population control ever been an issue that people are homosexual? Based on this argument the shouldnt china should have the largest percentage of a homosexual population?

So pedophilia and bestiality are natural?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: residue on June 22, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
Diseases can't pick and choose who they affect yet homoaexuals made up nearly 70% of new Hiv cases in magics time...rather than address more responsible behavior by homosexuals....they used Magic..picking one of the most masculine, virile, seemingly heterosexual sports stars to show "anyone can get it."...straight or gay...they used Ryan White the same way..poor kid..years ago...see kids are getting it too...it affects all of us

When really this was for money to push a homosexual agenda. Money for "aids education"...was money to support a homosexual agenda...including gay marriage and transgender...classic bait and switch

I'm all about live and let live...just tired of the homosexuals in the media forcing their lifestyle on everyone else.
nothing like a guy on a board dedicated to oily muscular men in thongs complaining about gays being forced on them
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 22, 2017, 09:59:29 AM
nothing like a guy on a board dedicated to oily muscular men in thongs complaining about gays being forced on them

LOL!

Diseases can't pick and choose who they affect yet homoaexuals made up nearly 70% of new Hiv cases in magics time...rather than address more responsible behavior by homosexuals....they used Magic..picking one of the most masculine, virile, seemingly heterosexual sports stars to show "anyone can get it."...straight or gay...they used Ryan White the same way..poor kid..years ago...see kids are getting it too...it affects all of us

When really this was for money to push a homosexual agenda. Money for "aids education"...was money to support a homosexual agenda...including gay marriage and transgender...classic bait and switch

I'm all about live and let live...just tired of the homosexuals in the media forcing their lifestyle on everyone else.

Do you really think the homosexual community used Ryan White to push an agenda?  Wouldn't something like that require strategic planning?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 22, 2017, 01:20:15 PM


Do you really think the homosexual community used Ryan White to push an agenda?  Wouldn't something like that require strategic planning?
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Let's see...when they want money... activists call it the RYAN WHITE care act.....which is creeping up on 3 billion dollars for hiv patients....in the name of poor Ryan...Hiv patients who got it fucking in a bath house get money for free hiv meds under the name of Poor Ryan

Not sure...but I think that classifies as being used.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 22, 2017, 04:15:50 PM

Do you really think the homosexual community used Ryan White to push an agenda?  Wouldn't something like that require strategic planning?


Let's see...when they want money... activists call it the RYAN WHITE care act.....which is creeping up on 3 billion dollars for hiv patients....in the name of poor Ryan...Hiv patients who got it fucking in a bath house get money for free hiv meds under the name of Poor Ryan

Not sure...but I think that classifies as being used.

Interesting. I misunderstood what you meant. I didnt realize there is a charity in his name.

The HIV stats breakdown are worth a read.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 22, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
Oh no...not a charity....a FEDERALLY funded program where our tax dollars go...

The Ryan White Comprehensive AIDS Resources Emergency Act (Ryan White CARE Act, Pub.L. 101–381, 104 Stat. 576, enacted August 18, 1990), was an act of the United States Congress and is the largest federally funded program in the United States for people living with HIV/AIDS.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Griffith on June 23, 2017, 07:49:42 AM
Whatever you're sexually attracted to, that's your orientation.

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 23, 2017, 07:55:06 AM
nothing like a guy on a board dedicated to oily muscular men in thongs complaining about gays being forced on them
Whatever you're sexually attracted to, that's your orientation.

This. Idk how the fuck someone is forced to be gay. If you see a guy and you feel sexual feelings, guess what, you're gay. No one is forcing you to feel that way. Not that there is anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: residue on June 23, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
This. Idk how the fuck someone is forced to be gay. If you see a guy and you feel sexual feelings, guess what, you're gay. No one is forcing you to feel that way. Not that there is anything wrong with it.
there's a prevailing thought amongst in denial gays that hollywood is trying to turn them gay by making movies like Magic Mike or like Milk, Capote or The imitation game praising gay men for their accomplishments.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
Whatever did people find to talk about before 1690?

Where and how to get their next meal.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:00:04 AM
So you can choose how manly you act and look then? Seems like you're hiding something...

Are you suggesting gay folks should conform to a particular stereotype? Why?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:10:45 AM
What desires you act upon is a conscious choice.

A person might well be born a gay or poedefile etc but it's a deliberate decision to actually commit these acts.

Likewise then, many people are born predominately heterosexual but it is a deliberate and conscious choice  to act on their orientation. Pretty much everything we do is a matter of choice. Who we are is not. Nothing is absolute.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 23, 2017, 11:14:53 AM
Likewise then, many people are born predominately heterosexual but it is a deliberate and conscious choice  to act on their orientation. Pretty much everything we do is a matter of choice. Who we are is not. Nothing is absolute.
Are you even a real person? It seems as if you die every month.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:17:39 AM
Doesn't hurt that if you get HIV you are immediately on Ssi...bills paid..and any and all anabolics free as they are approved for hiv wasting. Several gay Golds guys living the life. Even free house cleaning. With free modern drug cocktail taxpayers are required to pay for youll stay healthy.., just lift train...relax..Go pick up free, legit us pharmacy anabolics and relax.



SSDI qualification for folks with HIV is not as simple as you suggest.

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10019.pdf
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:19:14 AM
when you're an embryo and your dad fucks your mom too much you get used to the taste of semen in the womb


Interesting theory, although most likely impossible.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 23, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
This isn't that difficult. Our traits are genetic. Your genes come from two hetero(or bisexual) people....there is no other way you are here. You can trace your family history back to the beginning and there are only hetero or bisexual people. So where does the gay gene come from? Bisexuality I could see...gay...I dont see how its possible....Im really not hating...love to hear intelligent answer...
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
Do you guys think that Magic ever really had HIV, or was it a ploy to get the world to notice the dangers of the disease? Didn't they say a few years ago that Magic doesn't even show signs of HIV anymore?

His nickname definitely has been earned.

Medical science with regard to HIV has made huge strides in recent years.

FAST FACTS:

There is currently no cure for HIV, although antiretroviral treatment can control it.
Most research is towards a ‘functional cure’ where HIV is reduced to undetectable and harmless levels permanently, but some residual virus may still be present in the body.
Some research is looking for a ‘sterilising cure’ where all HIV virus is eradicated from the body, but this is more complex and risky.
Trials of HIV vaccines are encouraging, but even once developed will only offer partial protection.

https://www.avert.org/about-hiv-aids/cure
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 23, 2017, 11:26:39 AM
there's a prevailing thought amongst in denial gays that hollywood is trying to turn them gay by making movies like Magic Mike or like Milk, Capote or The imitation game praising gay men for their accomplishments.
Magic Mike was for females though.  ???
Alan turning was a great mind, and he was basically killed for being gay. That is true. You think Hollywood should make him straight and change history because some don't like it? Next they will try to remove the history of slaves from the history textbook in schools..... oh wait. They tried.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Eveything in nature serves a purpose. And the only thing we absolutely KNOW is natural is heterosexuality...becaus e it is the only means by which humans can reproduce and no reproduction...no humans. The only way homosexuality is "natural" is as a form of population control.  EVERYONE must come from heterosexuality..there is no other way you exist. That is nature. I say this with no hate...just common sense. If Adam and eve were gay...the Bible would be a very short book.

Frankly, its kind of an insult to suggest homosexuality is "natural" because it means something in your genetic makeup nature does not want to pass on to future generations.



Not exactly. There's artificial insemination and surrogacy. Many homosexuals engage in heterosexual acts. There are no absolutes. What there is, is possibilities.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 23, 2017, 11:33:31 AM
Medical science with regard to HIV has made huge strides in recent years.

FAST FACTS:

There is currently no cure for HIV, although antiretroviral treatment can control it.
Most research is towards a ‘functional cure’ where HIV is reduced to undetectable and harmless levels permanently, but some residual virus may still be present in the body.
Some research is looking for a ‘sterilising cure’ where all HIV virus is eradicated from the body, but this is more complex and risky.
Trials of HIV vaccines are encouraging, but even once developed will only offer partial protection.

https://www.avert.org/about-hiv-aids/cure
Yup they still have it, even if undetectable. They can still pass it to other people, even if the chance is very low.  
Which is what big RX companies want. No money in a cure. Hell that is also why people need to take Prep everyday. No real money in a vaccine either.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 23, 2017, 11:35:44 AM
Not exactly. There's artificial insemination and surrogacy. Many homosexuals engage in heterosexual acts. There are no absolutes. What there is, is possibilities.
He is a troll of stupid. Everyone knows about bisexuals and surrogates
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: residue on June 23, 2017, 11:43:39 AM
This isn't that difficult. Our traits are genetic. Your genes come from two hetero(or bisexual) people....there is no other way you are here. You can trace your family history back to the beginning and there are only hetero or bisexual people. So where does the gay gene come from? Bisexuality I could see...gay...I dont see how its possible....Im really not hating...love to hear intelligent answer...

have you ever looked outside and see more than 1 race of people
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:44:49 AM
Perfect example political correctness..."just" having kids...pure insult...for years women were told don't be "just" a mother and housewife....and we're seeing the results of children without proper parenting because their parents don't want to "just" have kids. ....what an amazing and important responsibility to have a child and pass on everything you are...genetically...spir itually...in the hope that your child will have a better life than you did....and you call it "just" having kids....this is the attack on heterosexual men that we are tired of.

Political correcteness has FAILED!!!!!!!!

While I agree that responsible and loving parents contribute to the overall health (mental, physical, moral and spiritual) of their children, it isn't a guarantee. Good parents can also be working parents, just as bad parents can be stay at home parents.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:53:08 AM
Diseases can't pick and choose who they affect yet homoaexuals made up nearly 70% of new Hiv cases in magics time...rather than address more responsible behavior by homosexuals....they used Magic..picking one of the most masculine, virile, seemingly heterosexual sports stars to show "anyone can get it."...straight or gay...they used Ryan White the same way..poor kid..years ago...see kids are getting it too...it affects all of us

When really this was for money to push a homosexual agenda. Money for "aids education"...was money to support a homosexual agenda...including gay marriage and transgender...classic bait and switch

I'm all about live and let live...just tired of the homosexuals in the media forcing their lifestyle on everyone else.

While I agree with some of your ideas, this one is convoluted, bias and to a large extent, wrong (in my opinion which is based on life experience).
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
leave you alone?
If we do that you cry for attention.

Fuck me Homosexuals are the only ones "proud" of their sexuality FFS.

no one else cares.

Sexual orientation just is what it is. There is no reason anyone should feel ashamed of their sexual orientation, regardless of what it is. Likewise, it's okay to feel pride in oneself, regardless of sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 12:06:36 PM
Are you even a real person? It seems as if you die every month.

How so?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 23, 2017, 12:08:18 PM
While I agree with some of your ideas, this one is convoluted, bias and to a large extent, wrong (in my opinion which is based on life experience).
But its a sexually transmitted disease. It should affect everyone equally that has sex. 70% of new cases gay....seems its something in that populations behavior they might want to check on as opposed to more funding for Aids research.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
But its a sexually transmitted disease. It should affect everyone equally that has sex. 70% of new cases gay....seems its something in that populations behavior they might want to check on as opposed to more funding for Aids research.

Promiscuity contributes to the spread of HIV.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Shizzo on June 23, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
How so?
Your old ass disappears for weeks on end. 80 year olds are not allowed to attention whore. You could literally die any day now. It just isn't fair to the rest of us.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: residue on June 23, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
But its a sexually transmitted disease. It should affect everyone equally that has sex. 70% of new cases gay....seems its something in that populations behavior they might want to check on as opposed to more funding for Aids research.

no it's not, lesbian sex isn't penetrative in nature nor is there always fluid exchange. Not to mention it's often impossible to keep a rubber on during anal.. and well men, men are fucking stupid you're on a board dedicated to men giving themselves kidney failure,
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: dj181 on June 23, 2017, 01:01:25 PM
Can animals build a car?

can your mom build a car, gayve pee?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 23, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
no it's not, lesbian sex isn't penetrative in nature nor is there always fluid exchange.
With no fluid exchange, how are you suggesting it is transmitted? Do they look at each other real mean?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 02:16:35 PM
Your old ass disappears for weeks on end. 80 year olds are not allowed to attention whore. You could literally die any day now. It just isn't fair to the rest of us.

How about a 72 year old?

Where is it written that I must be fair.

How much time I devote to chatting with you folks depends on what else is going on in my life. Yesterday, today and tomorrow I'm at a rather boring conference. You all are helping me get passed my boredom.

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't realize any of you cared whether I lived or died. I am in perfect health....but you never know.... :)
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
no it's not, lesbian sex isn't penetrative in nature nor is there always fluid exchange. Not to mention it's often impossible to keep a rubber on during anal.. and well men, men are fucking stupid you're on a board dedicated to men giving themselves kidney failure,

Yeah...what is it with condoms? If I can get one on without tearing it, it soon breaks. Wonder why?  ;D
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Hypertrophy on June 23, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
Yeah...what is it with condoms? If I can get one on without tearing it, it soon breaks. Wonder why?  ;D

I used to have that problem all the time. I use Kevlar condoms now.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on June 23, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
How about a 72 year old?

Where is it written that I must be fair.

How much time I devote to chatting with you folks depends on what else is going on in my life. Yesterday, today and tomorrow I'm at a rather boring conference. You all are helping me get passed my boredom.

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't realize any of you cared whether I lived or died. I am in perfect health....but you never know.... :)

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
I used to have that problem all the time. I use Kevlar condoms now.

Condom use is relative to sexual activity. That being said, I don't much need condoms.  ;D
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 23, 2017, 03:00:46 PM
can your mom build a car, gayve pee?

181BJ's given do we have an issue? Because I can assure you, you do not want this to go to fisticuffs. When I throw hands bodies pile up.

And yes its likely she can, she's a licensed mechanic.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on June 23, 2017, 03:10:03 PM
Condom use is relative to sexual activity. That being said, I don't much need condoms.  ;D

at your age using your dick is akin to playing pool with a rope
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: beakdoctor on June 23, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
Haven't read 6 pages of this thread but in regards to the op's question: who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 23, 2017, 10:38:38 PM
Yeah...what is it with condoms? If I can get one on without tearing it, it soon breaks. Wonder why?  ;D
You're using the wrong size. Stop using magnums and buy the extra small Japanese ones you need.  ;D
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:03:28 PM
at your age using your dick is akin to playing pool with a rope

And you know this how? I don't remember fucking your man-pussy, but if I did, it is undoubtedly prolapsed and beyond repair.  ;D






Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 23, 2017, 11:10:15 PM
You're using the wrong size. Stop using magnums and buy the extra small Japanese ones you need.  ;D

Funny but completely not accurate. However, they might work on my pinky. ;D


Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: sync pulse on June 23, 2017, 11:24:18 PM
A Marine on an airplane said this to me while flying into L. A.;

"Somewhere on this planet there is another guy that you would like so much that you would have willing sex with him...You just have never met him...When you go in the military,...any branch,...your chances of meeting him are much greater."
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on June 24, 2017, 10:42:28 AM
And you know this how? I don't remember fucking your man-pussy, but if I did, it is undoubtedly prolapsed and beyond repair.  ;D








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Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Dave D on June 24, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
A Marine on an airplane said this to me while flying into L. A.;

"Somewhere on this planet there is another guy that you would like so much that you would have willing sex with him...You just have never met him...When you go in the military,...any branch,...your chances of meeting him are much greater."


Poor confused guy.

Seems like that soldier needs to read this thread.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: The Scott on June 24, 2017, 10:56:24 AM
A Marine on an airplane said this to me while flying into L. A.;

"Somewhere on this planet there is another guy that you would like so much that you would have willing sex with him...You just have never met him...When you go in the military,...any branch,...your chances of meeting him are much greater."


He needs to be put on the front lines in the litter box.  Stat.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: dj181 on June 24, 2017, 11:26:28 AM
181BJ's given do we have an issue? Because I can assure you, you do not want this to go to fisticuffs. When I throw hands bodies pile up.

And yes its likely she can, she's a licensed mechanic.

what's your weight?

If you are over light heavy limit then you're outta my league
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 11:38:51 AM
There was a first heterosexual man. My existence can loosely be traced to that first man. Had to be a 1st gay man. How do you trace a gay mans natural history to the 1st gay man? No hate...curious. hes gay. Doesn't procreate. If part of nature?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 11:49:31 AM
There was a first heterosexual man. My existence can loosely be traced to that first man. Had to be a 1st gay man. How do you trace a gay mans natural history to the 1st gay man? No hate...curious. hes gay. Doesn't procreate. If part of nature?
gay men have kids all the time...
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
gay men have kids all the time...
That's not gay.For the preservation of the species, they become bisexual for procreation? Like the "straight guys" that just give each other blow jobs when girlfriends out of town? All bisexual....I said gay...natural gay...only sexually attracted to the same sex
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 11:57:12 AM
That's not gay.For the preservation of the species, they become bisexual for procreation? Like the "straight guys" that just give each other blow jobs when girlfriends out of town? All bisexual....I said gay...natural gay...only sexually attracted to the same sex
they have children and never have sex with a woman, they use donors.

Fuck me what backward part of the world are you from?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 12:03:53 PM
they have children and never have sex with a woman, they use donors.

Fuck me what backward part of the world are you from?
A donor is not their kid, were talking about nature.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 12:07:48 PM
A donor is not their kid, were talking about nature.

it has the dads DNA you moron, its his kid.

You seem to be trying now to change the goalposts regarding your point.

Adam, If you want to use him as being teh first man, could have been gay, he just had sex with eve to procreate the species.

Its a bit like straight bodybuilders sucking old mens cocks for cash, its not gay, they prefer women.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 12:30:33 PM
it has the dads DNA you moron, its his kid.

Adam, If you want to use him as being teh first man, could have been gay, he just had sex with eve to procreate the species.

Its a bit like straight bodybuilders sucking old mens cocks for cash, its not gay, they prefer women.

Who elses dna does it have? A mother...See the attack on heterosexuality? Hey..mother..father...wh atever....

I'm not hate...but why people have to throw this shit down people's throat!  Why can't we just speak the fucking truth anymore....If Adam had sex with Eve for any fucking reason he can CHOOSE who to have sex with, he is not gay.

Gays do your fuckin thing...more girls for heteros....but why all the attack on heterosexuality..we have to accept this as nature...rewrite science books...just fuckin do your happy gay thing....

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 12:36:49 PM
Who elses dna does it have? A mother...See the attack on heterosexuality? Hey..mother..father...wh atever....

I'm not hate...but why people have to throw this shit down people's throat!  Why can't we just speak the fucking truth anymore....If Adam had sex with Eve for any fucking reason he can CHOOSE who to have sex with, he is not gay.

Gays do your fuckin thing...more girls for heteros....but why all the attack on heterosexuality..we have to accept this as nature...rewrite science books...just fuckin do your happy gay thing....



so you are claiming if you are gay you cannot (as in unable to) have sex with a female?

Fucking hell mate, a man can get a hard on riding the bus FFS,
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 12:48:39 PM
Not saying a man could not force himself to have sex with a woman when he is only attracted to men....or get a test tube, a female donor and manufacture a life....this could be part of natures way...I only use my common sense to try and understand things...I believe in a God and would never say for certain I KNOW something to be natural or not......

We kind of have a particular problem in the bodybuilding community of people with loose definitions of "natural"....
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 12:54:41 PM
Not saying a man could not force himself to have sex with a woman when he is only attracted to men....or get a test tube, a female donor and manufacture a life....this could be part of natures way...I only use my common sense to try and understand things...I believe in a God and would never say for certain I KNOW something to be natural or not......

We kind of have a particular problem in the bodybuilding community of people with loose definitions of "natural"....

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Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
Don't be a puppet. Think for yourself.  The names...you're an idiot..your racist...you're sexist....just use your intellect....

For the record I am not against gay people...in fact the absolute best place to pick up women is a gay club because the HOTTEST girls can't go to straight clubs...get hated on too much by ugly chicks and it gets catty

Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their flaming male gay friends who will introduce you....

The world would be a much more serious and less fun place without gay people....but forcing the nature argument down my throat...just intellectually disagree...
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 01:24:50 PM
Don't be a puppet. Think for yourself.  The names...you're an idiot..your racist...you're sexist....just use your intellect....

For the record I am not against gay people...in fact the absolute best place to pick up women is a gay club because the HOTTEST girls can't go to straight clubs...get hated on too much by ugly chicks and it gets catty

Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their flaming male gay friends who will introduce you....

The world would be a much more serious and less fun place without gay people....but forcing the nature argument down my throat...just intellectually disagree...


You need a cock forcing down your throat.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 02:05:01 PM

You need a cock forcing down your throat.
Expose them one by one...their agenda will eventually be revealed by the truth.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 24, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their flaming male gay friends who will introduce you....
First off , that's not true at all about gay bars being "FULL" of hot striaight girls. There are SOME --SOMETIMES..but in no way FULL of them.

More importantly--it appears you do have some sort of problem with us.
Why couldn't you just say "Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their male gay friends who will introduce you.
"

We're not all flaming.
Some of us are far from it in fact.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 02:28:29 PM
First off , that's not true at all about gay bars being "FULL" of hot striaight girls. There are SOME --SOMETIMES..but in no way FULL of them.

More importantly--it appears you do have some sort of problem with us.
Why couldn't you just say "Gay clubs are FULL of hot straight girls with their male gay friends who will introduce you.
"

We're not all flaming.
Some of us are far from it in fact.
Didn't know "flaming" was bad....find flamers quite engaging and fun..you seem intent on maintaining this hate that we are supposed to have for each other...why? There are many non flaming gays....I have no problem with you....correct me if I've said anything hateful...was just a discussion of whether or not its "natural".....who cares if it is or not?....I'm on a fucking cycle of test and could not achieve the physique I have naturally....RELAX.....h ad a good friend who was gay and he took me to a gay club and I encountered a bunch of very attractive hetero girls...that was my experience...

Just escape this fucking hate...racist...lets all hate each other attitude that so many people are making so much money off of...
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 24, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
it has the dads DNA you moron, its his kid.

You seem to be trying now to change the goalposts regarding your point.

Adam, If you want to use him as being teh first man, could have been gay, he just had sex with eve to procreate the species.

Its a bit like straight bodybuilders sucking old mens cocks for cash, its not gay, they prefer women.
Kind of hard for Adam to be gay when the only other human was eve though, but I see your point.
BBers sucking old cock is gay even if they pretend it isn't. Just like kai muscle is gay for making a jack off video for men. It is a gay act. But nothing wrong with being gay.
I'm not gay, so I don't know how hard it is coming out and all that shit. But I believe the soon people stop pretending to be straight and be themselves the soon all this bigotry can stop.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
There was a first heterosexual man. My existence can loosely be traced to that first man. Had to be a 1st gay man. How do you trace a gay mans natural history to the 1st gay man? No hate...curious. hes gay. Doesn't procreate. If part of nature?

The flaw in your theory is that many gay folks do procreate.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 24, 2017, 02:54:23 PM
The in your theory is that many gay folks do procreate.

Yup. Why do stupid people act like gays doing have biological kids?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 02:55:12 PM
That's not gay.For the preservation of the species, they become bisexual for procreation? Like the "straight guys" that just give each other blow jobs when girlfriends out of town? All bisexual....I said gay...natural gay...only sexually attracted to the same sex

You speak in terms of absolutes where they don't necessarily exist.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 03:03:40 PM
A donor is not their kid, were talking about nature.

Read what you posted. It makes no sense.

If someone's swimmers and someone else's egg hookup, they create a new life. No matter how this is achieved, it s istill within the scope of nature.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
Kind of hard for Adam to be gay when the only other human was eve though, but I see your point.
BBers sucking old cock is gay even if they pretend it isn't. Just like kai muscle is gay for making a jack off video for men. It is a gay act. But nothing wrong with being gay.
I'm not gay, so I don't know how hard it is coming out and all that shit. But I believe the soon people stop pretending to be straight and be themselves the soon all this bigotry can stop.

thats a contradictory statement, the last bit is correct, the important word being "act"

Lots of straight actors play gay men in films, does that mean they are homosexual?
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 03:29:01 PM
Kind of hard for Adam to be gay when the only other human was eve though, but I see your point.
BBers sucking old cock is gay even if they pretend it isn't. Just like kai muscle is gay for making a jack off video for men. It is a gay act. But nothing wrong with being gay.
I'm not gay, so I don't know how hard it is coming out and all that shit. But I believe the soon people stop pretending to be straight and be themselves the soon all this bigotry can stop.

If one believes Adam and Eve existed as told. I don't buy it.

You are putting the 'cart before the horse' with respect to that pretense. Many people fear "coming out" because of  bigotry and hate which still exists even today when more folks are accepting of other's differences.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 24, 2017, 03:36:27 PM
Didn't know "flaming" was bad....
Well..it's not the worst anti-gay word but come on..
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
Read what you posted. It makes no sense.

If someone's swimmers and someone else's egg hookup, they create a new life. No matter how this is achieved, it s istill within the scope of nature.
Through bisexuality...of course. Trying to understand how you feel a man having sex with a woman is not heterosexual sex. 
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: MANGOOS on June 24, 2017, 03:40:58 PM
It's ilness, just like down syndrome
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Well..it's not the worst anti-gay word but come on..

So you look down on flaming gays? Is that the culture? I honestly don't know....I find flaming gays very fun to talk to....I'd much rather have a conversation with a flaming gay than a boring, Straight..."What's up bro...how much do you bench?" guy......Teach me about Barbara Streisand or some shit...much more original.....
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 03:46:45 PM
Trying to understand how you feel a man having sex with a woman is not heterosexual sex. 

Where did I say that???
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 24, 2017, 03:56:07 PM
thats a contradictory statement, the last bit is correct, the important word being "act"

No it isn't. Gay/bi men have sex with men.

Lots of straight actors play gay men in films, does that mean they are homosexual?

don't tell me you're one those stupid people that can't separate fiction from real life.
You realized that no penetration happens in movies right? Hell, most of the nudity is stand ins or CGI.

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Notomorrow on June 24, 2017, 04:05:11 PM
Read what you posted. It makes no sense.

If someone's swimmers and someone else's egg hookup, they create a new life. No matter how this is achieved, it s istill within the scope of nature.
This is where you said it...."No matter how it is achieved"...as if there are multiple ways...there is only ONE...natural biological process for humans to reproduce and that is heterosexual sex...

But you are arguing that there is some other process where gay men magically become attracted to women enough to have heterosexual sex but its not REALLY heterosexual its some "no matter how its achieved" type of thing......eggs and sperm don't "hook up"....its achieved through heterosexual sex...or an imitation of heterosexual sex through science...I'm sorry...were all here through a heterosexual process...its just nature.....
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 24, 2017, 04:05:24 PM
No it isn't. Gay/bi men have sex with men.

don't tell me you're one those stupid people that can't separate fiction from real life.
You realized that no penetration happens in movies right? Hell, most of the nudity is stand ins or CGI.



I hope you are trolling, being homosexual isnt just about penetrative sex.
Homosexuality is the attraction to the same sex, a lot of gay men never have sex with another man, they live a life of lies with a wife and kids.

You seem to be mixing things up not me
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 04:07:52 PM

You realized that no penetration happens in movies right? Hell, most of the nudity is stand ins or CGI.


I've read otherwise.

Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 24, 2017, 05:12:51 PM
I hope you are trolling, being homosexual isnt just about penetrative sex.
Homosexuality is the attraction to the same sex, a lot of gay men never have sex with another man, they live a life of lies with a wife and kids.

You seem to be mixing things up not me
He was talking about gay sex scenes in Hollywood movies or TV shows by straight actors.

But I see you point, and yes people can be gay and never act on it.
Same way notomorrow is straight even if he has never have had sex.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Primemuscle on June 24, 2017, 05:33:02 PM
Here is a link to a list movies containing unsimulated sex: https://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/movies-with-unsimulated-sex?utm_term=.up081MQ20#.tvMaRVrp1

2015 movie Love
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Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: dj181 on June 25, 2017, 04:37:30 AM
He was talking about gay sex scenes in Hollywood movies or TV shows by straight actors.

But I see you point, and yes people can be gay and never act on it.
Same way notomorrow is straight even if he has never have had sex.

just curious texan

do you have a Scottish surname?

you see back in the day the english pussies sent the Scots west to claim texas coz they were to pussified to do it themselves

there's lots of Protestant Scots in texas
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: Griffith on June 25, 2017, 01:18:02 PM
It's ilness, just like down syndrome

And yet you're still able to live a normal life and aren't discriminated against.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: HTexan on June 25, 2017, 06:49:04 PM
just curious texan

do you have a Scottish surname?

you see back in the day the english pussies sent the Scots west to claim texas coz they were to pussified to do it themselves

there's lots of Protestant Scots in texas
Are you stalking me!? :o

Lol Seriously, I don't want to get into too much personal name info, it is Irish or Scottish. But family is all over the place in NW European and European ancestry. I took a 23 and me test, and that shit confused me even more. There was even some Native American in there.
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
Post by: rangerwil on June 25, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
Title: Re: Gay: choice or natural orientation?
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