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Title: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Fallsview on July 13, 2017, 07:20:59 AM
What is this exercise that I see everyone doing at the gym? Legs are bent, butt sticking out, kettleball is then swung between legs and over head in a repetitious manor. What is this working? Isn't the momentum of the swing negating any muscle tension? IDK, I'm seeing people in both my gyms doing it.
There was like 7 people in a line facing the mirror doing it. Looked like one of those metal guys that swing back and fourth on your office desk. Very weird.



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Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Nether Animal on July 13, 2017, 07:23:45 AM
Goodmorrow, friend!
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 13, 2017, 07:25:15 AM
Those crossfit hipsters call it 'training your working capacity', without too much thinking on which muscles are involved
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2017, 07:34:08 AM
What is this exercise that I see everyone doing at the gym? Legs are bent, butt sticking out, kettleball is then swung between legs and over head in a repetitious manor. What is this working? Isn't the momentum of the swing negating any muscle tension? IDK, I'm seeing people in both my gyms doing it.
There was like 7 people in a line facing the mirror doing it. Looked like one of those metal guys that swing back and fourth on your office desk. Very weird.



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Think conditioning instead of bodybuilding.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2017, 07:43:16 AM
Those crossfit hipsters call it 'training your working capacity', without too much thinking on which muscles are involved

SOF athletes use this too, not just crossfag bearded latte drinking pink socks hipsters.

Part of a stamina plan following the strength portion of the workout was:

100 one arm KB swings per arm
100 one leg box squat per leg
100 close push ups.

It's a different style of training, but after 5 weeks, I've found it very effective.   Definitely thought was put in to what muscles were used/taxed, as it's part of an overall plan.

Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 13, 2017, 08:00:27 AM
SOF athletes use this too, not just crossfag bearded latte drinking pink socks hipsters.

Part of a stamina plan following the strength portion of the workout was:

100 one arm KB swings per arm
100 one leg box squat per leg
100 close push ups.

It's a different style of training, but after 5 weeks, I've found it very effective.   Definitely thought was put in to what muscles were used/taxed, as it's part of an overall plan.

When it comes to building stamina, I would not def not argue about the effectiveness of such a protocol. My main concern is that most these schedules are performed with a time limit. As a result you often see piss poor execution. I recently heard an anecdote from a chiropractor, who was financially pleased with his crossfit clients.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Fallsview on July 13, 2017, 08:22:19 AM
What are these exercises called? I really cringe when I think of the shoulders getting slammed like that. I mean the constant swinging. Lot of wear and tear on the shoulder joint.

Chaos you're a kettle ball dude, what is this exercise?




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Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: residue on July 13, 2017, 08:31:33 AM
What is this exercise that I see everyone doing at the gym? Legs are bent, butt sticking out, kettleball is then swung between legs and over head in a repetitious manor. What is this working? Isn't the momentum of the swing negating any muscle tension? IDK, I'm seeing people in both my gyms doing it.
There was like 7 people in a line facing the mirror doing it. Looked like one of those metal guys that swing back and fourth on your office desk. Very weird.



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you mean a kettlebell swing? it's a hip hinge movement.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: residue on July 13, 2017, 08:32:20 AM
What are these exercises called? I really cringe when I think of the shoulders getting slammed like that. I mean the constant swinging. Lot of wear and tear on the shoulder joint.

Chaos you're a kettle ball dude, what is this exercise?




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shoulder joint? your shoulder are in a fixed position, your arms are locked. it's all hips\glutes
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on July 13, 2017, 08:58:19 AM
What are these exercises called? I really cringe when I think of the shoulders getting slammed like that. I mean the constant swinging. Lot of wear and tear on the shoulder joint.

Chaos you're a kettle ball dude, what is this exercise?




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Isn't it time this shitty gimmick was put out of its misery?

so fucking lame
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2017, 10:03:18 AM
When it comes to building stamina, I would not def not argue about the effectiveness of such a protocol. My main concern is that most these schedules are performed with a time limit. As a result you often see piss poor execution. I recently heard an anecdote from a chiropractor, who was financially pleased with his crossfit clients.

I agree - especially with technique olympic type lifts....I think this is dangerous.....heck I think crossfit is dangerous and stupid.

But all this stuff gets lumped into "crossfit", when it should not.....I was just making a distinction.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: efanhowz on July 13, 2017, 10:35:44 AM
The power from a kettle bell swing is generated in gluteus/hips. Ppl are making it ineffective for the hips involving overhead shoulder movement when they raise there arms past 90. This is dangerous for your back when lowering the weight due to increased downward momentum and going back into a true hip hinge swing , but these idiots are bending the knees and also doing some crappy pseudo hinge-squat. So they don't use enough weight and aren't using enough of their hips for stimulation. It's like using the same weight and doing a bicep curl then right into a shldr press, neither muscle is getting enough stimulation

So the whole thing is garbage and shouldn't be considered a kb swing.

But Real swings with decent weight where you aren't raising arms overhead or bending knees past 15degrees are great for conditioning
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Fallsview on July 13, 2017, 10:40:02 AM
shoulder joint? your shoulder are in a fixed position, your arms are locked. it's all hips\glutes

Their legs are bent and spread. Arms are kept straight and they swing from underneath to over head. The women in the gym are sticking their asses out like its suppose to be a butt exercise. I've never seen this exercise before but lately I'm seeing all these variations and weird things being done.
I have had two shoulder operations and a torn bicep fix. For the life of me I can't see what this is doing that a better exercise can't.



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Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: residue on July 13, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
Their legs are bent and spread. Arms are kept straight and they swing from underneath to over head. The women in the gym are sticking their asses out like its suppose to be a butt exercise. I've never seen this exercise before but lately I'm seeing all these variations and weird things being done.
I have had two shoulder operations and a torn bicep fix. For the life of me I can't see what this is doing that a better exercise can't.



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you mean a kettlebell snatch?
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: BB on July 13, 2017, 12:11:31 PM
Swing exercises have been around forever, whether it be kettlebell, dumbbell, or the old swingbell -

(https://exerciseeggheads.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/swingbell.gif).

I personally liked the short range version used by throwers and the Highland Games fellas -

.

The kettle versions always struck me as more of a endurance / aerobic thing.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 13, 2017, 01:04:21 PM
I agree - especially with technique olympic type lifts....I think this is dangerous.....heck I think crossfit is dangerous and stupid.

But all this stuff gets lumped into "crossfit", when it should not.....I was just making a distinction.

That's a good point. When you want to built stamina it's prob better to perform simple movements like push ups, jumping jacks, rope work, sledge pulling/pushing, ect.

My gym has recently bought a Torque Fitness Tank, which is nice for some HITT work.

(https://www.fitnesstown.ca/i/13912X_2.JPG)
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: robcguns on July 13, 2017, 02:01:27 PM
Looks pretty stupid when I see trainers having frail elders do it or anyone really.Looks like it's shoulder damaging to me.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2017, 02:22:45 PM
That's a good point. When you want to built stamina it's prob better to perform simple movements like push ups, jumping jacks, rope work, sledge pulling/pushing, ect.

My gym has recently bought a Torque Fitness Tank, which is nice for some HITT work.

(https://www.fitnesstown.ca/i/13912X_2.JPG)

I've used that thing, it's an absolute beast.  It's has magnets that resist the harder you push.

All that stuff you listed is in the stamina plan I'm doing.   Nobody cares, but check out soflete.com if you are interested - these guys know their shit.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: NelsonMuntz on July 13, 2017, 03:51:29 PM
That's a good point. When you want to built stamina it's prob better to perform simple movements like push ups, jumping jacks, rope work, sledge pulling/pushing, ect.

My gym has recently bought a Torque Fitness Tank, which is nice for some HITT work.

(https://www.fitnesstown.ca/i/13912X_2.JPG)

why not just get a side job on saturdays pushing a wheelbarrow or lawnmower lol?
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 13, 2017, 04:12:31 PM
why not just get a side job on saturdays pushing a wheelbarrow or lawnmower lol?

I've 'played' with it a couple of times, but I prefer low intensity outdoor cardio like walking/hiking & cycling much more. About 100 meters from my gym there's a huge park, so I often take a nice walk after my workout. 
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Fallsview on July 13, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Swing exercises have been around forever, whether it be kettlebell, dumbbell, or the old swingbell -

(https://exerciseeggheads.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/swingbell.gif).

I personally liked the short range version used by throwers and the Highland Games fellas -

.

The kettle versions always struck me as more of a endurance / aerobic thing.

This is it. Now what is this working? The core? WTF...my shoulders and back scream watching this crap.





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Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 13, 2017, 06:56:58 PM
If you are going to use speed (power) you better be in a good position as in Olympic lifting. Swinging a bell between your legs just seems to be an injury waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
If you are going to use speed (power) you better be in a good position as in Olympic lifting. Swinging a bell between your legs just seems to be an injury waiting to happen.

I disagree.....it's a hip hinge combined with a front raise.

Doesn't feel dangerous at all.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: dj181 on July 14, 2017, 03:48:15 AM
I've 'played' with it a couple of times, but I prefer low intensity outdoor cardio like walking/hiking & cycling much more. About 100 meters from my gym there's a huge park, so I often take a nice walk after my workout. 

low intensity cardio is for old ladies and pussies,  strive to get ULTRA FIT chief

and grape, that circuit you posted looks great, metabolic conditioning at its best
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on July 14, 2017, 04:00:37 AM
If you are going to use speed (power) you better be in a good position as in Olympic lifting. Swinging a bell between your legs just seems to be an injury waiting to happen.
if your mechanics suck, if your posture is shit, if u have no core strength, if u have no clue how to hinge properly, then yes dangerous-this also applies to Olympic lifting
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 14, 2017, 04:07:11 AM
I've used that thing, it's an absolute beast.  It's has magnets that resist the harder you push.

All that stuff you listed is in the stamina plan I'm doing.   Nobody cares, but check out soflete.com if you are interested - these guys know their shit.
so by that argument the less effort you use the easier it is to move?
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 14, 2017, 04:38:52 AM
low intensity cardio is for old ladies and pussies,  strive to get ULTRA FIT chief

It's still the best way to prevent muscle loss when dieting and I'm not interested in being 'ultra fit'.

so by that argument the less effort you use the easier it is to move?

No, the harder you push, the more resistance it gives.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 14, 2017, 04:43:50 AM
It's still the best way to prevent muscle loss when dieting and I'm not interested in being 'ultra fit'.

No, the harder you push, the more resistance it gives.
and the less you push the less resistance it gives.

one cant exist without the other.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: ESFitness on July 14, 2017, 04:50:02 AM
What are these exercises called? I really cringe when I think of the shoulders getting slammed like that. I mean the constant swinging. Lot of wear and tear on the shoulder joint.

Chaos you're a kettle ball dude, what is this exercise?




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Just called. Kb swing,1 arm, 2 adm)alternating  or kb figure 8.... And a wholen lottajf7
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Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 14, 2017, 04:50:39 AM
and the less you push the less resistance it gives.

one cant exist without the other.

Yes, though I don't see many wimps trying it.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 14, 2017, 04:55:59 AM
shoulder joint? your shoulder are in a fixed position, your arms are locked. it's all hips\glutes

From what I can tell, it's sort of a combination of a deadlift and a front lateral raise. The latter limits the amount of weight you can use because of the poor leverage position. In my opinion, a sumo deadlift is  a better option as it allows you to move some weight.


(http://workoutlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/watermarked/Two-Arm_Kettlebell_Swing.png)


(http://trufitbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/sumo-deadlift.jpg)

Btw, I apologize for talking about training on getbig.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 14, 2017, 05:00:48 AM
From what I can tell, it's sort of a combination of a deadlift and a front lateral raise. The latter limits the amount of weight you can use because of the poor leverage position. In my opinion, a sumo deadlift is  a better option as it allows you to move some weight.


(http://workoutlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/watermarked/Two-Arm_Kettlebell_Swing.png)


(http://trufitbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/sumo-deadlift.jpg)

Btw, I apologize for talking about training on getbig.


It's more of a hip hinge  to a swing.

Mastering the hip hinge sets you up for improvement on many lifts and performance, including deadlifts.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 14, 2017, 05:05:48 AM
It's more of a hip hinge  to a swing.

Mastering the hip hinge supposedly sets you up for improvement on many lifts and performance.

Hip hinge is just a term trainers use to make themselves look smart. Just means that you're bending at the hips. It's no different than what you do on a squat or a dead lift.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 14, 2017, 05:08:51 AM
Hip hinge is just a term trainers use to make themselves look smart. Just means that you're bending at the hips. It's no different than what you do on a squat or a dead lift.

Sort of - hip hinge is hip bend with minimal knee bend.   Squat is hip bend with much more knee bend.

It's the beginning movement for squat/DL.....many don't do it correctly, and KB swing can help master it.

Plus, they're amazing for conditioning.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: dj181 on July 14, 2017, 05:12:56 AM
From what I can tell, it's sort of a combination of a deadlift and a front lateral raise. The latter limits the amount of weight you can use because of the poor leverage position. In my opinion, a sumo deadlift is  a better option as it allows you to move some weight.


(http://workoutlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/watermarked/Two-Arm_Kettlebell_Swing.png)


(http://trufitbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/sumo-deadlift.jpg)

Btw, I apologize for talking about training on getbig.


it's similar to a power clean but requires less skill
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 14, 2017, 05:20:21 AM
it's similar to a power clean but requires less skill

Again, the problem I see with this exercise is that your arms remain in an extended position for the entire movement. Residue was incorrect that the shoulders stay locked. It's the elbows that are locked. That turns the entire arm into a lever that works against you and limits the amount of weight you can use.  We all know you can use a lot less weight doing lateral or front raises than you can with shoulder presses. The arms don't stay locked in power cleans either that's why you can use a lot of weight with them.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: dj181 on July 14, 2017, 05:27:06 AM
Again, the problem I see with this exercise is that your arms remain in an extended position for the entire movement. Residue was incorrect that the shoulders stay locked. It's the elbows that are locked. That turns the entire arm into a lever that works against you and limits the amount of weight you can use.  We all know you can use a lot less weight doing lateral or front raises than you can with shoulder presses. The arms don't stay locked in power cleans either that's why you can use a lot of weight with them.

that's true but this exercise is much easier to do than a power clean

in other words it's good for toads who have shit athletic ability
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 14, 2017, 05:29:17 AM
that's true but this exercise is much easier to do than a power clean

in other words it's good for toads who have shit athletic ability

Now that makes sense  8)
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 14, 2017, 03:01:17 PM
Yes, though I don't see many wimps trying it.

no just big dumbasses hurling all their weight into it and making it jam up.
If it works like they say you should just push it very slowly at first with minimum effort and it should slide along no problem

I do hope its not as easy as that and the machine is simply designed to outwit slow witted meatheads in a Chinese finger puzzle sort of way.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 14, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
no just big dumbasses hurling all their weight into it and making it jam up.
If it works like they say you should just push it very slowly at first with minimum effort and it should slide along no problem

I do hope its not as easy as that and the machine is simply designed to outwit slow witted meatheads in a Chinese finger puzzle sort of way.

There are 2 ways to adjust the resistance: switch the magnet resistance like 1, 2 or 3 or by adding weight plates/gym rats. I once did 180 kg with the switch on #3, super setted with  80 kg farmer walks for 15 meters (there's not that much space) for 20 min, which was a fun thing to do.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 14, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
There are 2 ways to adjust the resistance: switch the magnet resistance like 1, 2 or 3 or by adding weight plates/gym rats. I once did 180 kg with the switch on #3, super setted with  80 kg farmer walks for 15 meters (there's not that much space) for 20 min, which was a fun thing to do.

It's very good.

If you push easier, as bethere said, it won't move.   It rewards effort by upping the intensity.

That's said, it's stupid expensive, and I think $150 prowler will destroy you just as easily, and save $1800 bucks.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: ESFitness on July 14, 2017, 07:20:02 PM
I disagree.....it's a hip hinge combined with a front raise.

Doesn't feel dangerous at all.

A kb swing shouldn't have a front raise. Your delta shouldn't be working.

I use kettlebells almost Daily instructing boot camps and that's one of the most common mistakes I have to correct people with whether it's a two arm kettlebell swing or a one arm kettlebell swing or alternating kettlebell swing or a figure 8 or whatever.

Kb's are usefull. I can take a group of 5 people and 10 kettlebells and training an hour a day 4 days a week have those 5 people looking like they're carved out of wood after 4 months using only those two kettlebells... Obviously the kb's will need to increase in weight, such as the heavy one would then become the light one and they'd need a heavier "heavy" kb... But u get the point.

Hell, throw in a medicine-ball/"smash"ball, 2 resistance bands and some TRX straps along with 2 kb's and you have a mobile gym that fits in a dufflebag and you can do in-home/at-home training (or in a park or at the beach) and charge $700-1200/month for 3 sessions a week.... And never do the same workout twice in 52 weeks.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 14, 2017, 09:21:48 PM
It's very good.

If you push easier, as bethere said, it won't move.   It rewards effort by upping the intensity.

That's said, it's stupid expensive, and I think $150 prowler will destroy you just as easily, and save $1800 bucks.

It was like push the tank, walk back, farmer walk and repeat, so a bit interval like.

My gym has a standard 'office carpet', but replacing a part with fake grass and buying a prowler was prob much cheaper.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 14, 2017, 10:14:41 PM
It was like push the tank, walk back, farmer walk and repeat, so a bit interval like.

My gym has a standard 'office carpet', but replacing a part with fake grass and buying a prowler was prob much cheaper.

I'm sure it was tough.....that tank is hard.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 14, 2017, 11:07:17 PM
Every picture I see of the movement has the finish point exactly the same as in the front dumbbell raise. Of course there's some momentum involved but there's no way you're taking the anterior head of the deltoid out of the movement. That's why you can only use a very small amount of weight compared to a squat or a dead lift.

You're essentially taking a compound movement and limiting the amount of weight you can use by adding a single joint movement.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SLIEZPFmVD0/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: wes on July 14, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
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Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: ESFitness on July 15, 2017, 02:55:49 AM
Every picture I see of the movement has the finish point exactly the same as in the front dumbbell raise. Of course there's some momentum involved but there's no way you're taking the anterior head of the deltoid out of the movement. That's why you can only use a very small amount of weight compared to a squat or a dead lift.

You're essentially taking a compound movement and limiting the amount of weight you can use by adding a single joint movement.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SLIEZPFmVD0/maxresdefault.jpg)

You're not taking the interior adult completely out of the movement but you're also not using the front delt to raise the Kettlebell. You're using your hips and glutes and hamstrings and all that shit to to generate force and momentum to get that kettlebell in one nice smooth movement. The moment you start using her interior delts or even medial delts and traps to get that in kettlebell up there the movement becomes kind of herky-jerky and is easy to spot.

The kettlebell swing is not meant to be a replacement for a squat or deadlift. If I wanted to replicate Ascot with the Kettlebell I would just do a goblet squat holding the Kettlebell with both hands Palms facing up with the Kettlebell at the top of your chest squatting down and right back up. Holding the Kettlebell this way forces or at least it helps reinforce your body position to be proper in the squad if the Kettlebell isn't held in the proper position at the top of the chest the squad would end up looking like a whip orb" ? " (question mark) snapping into an " ! "@ the top of the movement... For these I would usually do 20 seconds of kettlebell or goblet-squat only, Falling by 20 seconds of kettlebell squat press at which the top of the movement you press the Kettlebell overhead while being mindful of keeping your elbows in front of your body during the Press portion of the movement as well as on the way back down. While we're on the subject of kettlebells I would usually follow that up with something like a kettlebell upright row for 20 seconds again, followed by a kettlebell sumo squat with legs wide and feed straight foeward while holding the Kettlebell down by yer nuts. You upper body remains upright and neutral while you squat down the mindful to keep your knees pushed out and feed straight. If you get low enough you may have to cuddle Bell on the floor at which point you come back up from the squad and move directly into an upright row in one smooth fluid motion and not breaking it down into segments and all herky-jerky. and then from there I would probably move into a single arm cross body kettlebell hip hinge again probably 20 seconds per leg on the first one followed write up with a 15-second pearl egg series
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 15, 2017, 08:05:50 AM
You're not taking the interior adult completely out of the movement but you're also not using the front delt to raise the Kettlebell. You're using your hips and glutes and hamstrings and all that shit to to generate force and momentum to get that kettlebell in one nice smooth movement. The moment you start using her interior delts or even medial delts and traps to get that in kettlebell up there the movement becomes kind of herky-jerky and is easy to spot.

This is pretty much it to the letter.

As stated, in a conditioning round we've done over 200 swings...........front delts were not even close to sore the next day.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 15, 2017, 08:11:01 AM
It's very good.

If you push easier, as bethere said, it won't move.   It rewards effort by upping the intensity.

That's said, it's stupid expensive, and I think $150 prowler will destroy you just as easily, and save $1800 bucks.

thats not what was originally said, the words used was its harder to move the harder you push as it gives back more resistance, thats why Im challenging the concept.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 15, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
thats not what was originally said, the words used was its harder to move the harder you push as it gives back more resistance, thats why Im challenging the concept.

Not sure what you're challenging.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2017, 08:15:38 AM
POWER CLEAN 》》》》》》》》》》queen bait swing
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 15, 2017, 08:27:15 AM
POWER CLEAN 》》》》》》》》》》queen bait swing

both should be utilized, they're not substitutes for each other
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 15, 2017, 08:28:42 AM
POWER CLEAN 》》》》》》》》》》queen bait swing

At 200 reps,they're using the exercise for conditioning. So it's an apples to oranges comparison. However, if we're talking about power, it's not even close. Power cleans and sumo deadlifts destroy kettle bell swings.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: DroppingPlates on July 15, 2017, 08:33:58 AM
Not sure what you're challenging.

He prefers to disagree and disbelieve by default.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2017, 08:41:46 AM
At 200 reps,they're using the exercise for conditioning. So it's an apples to oranges comparison. However, if we're talking about power, it's not even close. Power cleans and sumo deadlifts destroy kettle bell swings.

yep yep

I've sen some boxing training gods of dudes doing deads with the hex bar with rubber bands round this waists,  that looks pretty cool

but in my case I don't want to gain anymore muscle weight, in fact I'd like to lose a bit and develop a tremendous weight to peer ratio

that would be damn cool   8)

also I'd still like to snatch out the strick curl world record

I can do it in a he rawpowerlifting fed but I noticed the ipf has a same day weigh in so I wouldn't be able to drop 20 pounds in that fucking case  >:(
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 15, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
At 200 reps,they're using the exercise for conditioning. So it's an apples to oranges comparison. However, if we're talking about power, it's not even close. Power cleans and sumo deadlifts destroy kettle bell swings.

Of course.

Did use power cleans for conditioning last night though...thought it was odd, as that's more of a dumbass crossfitty thing.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on July 15, 2017, 08:55:14 AM
Of course.

Did use power cleans for conditioning last night though...thought it was odd, as that's more of a dumbass crossfitty thing.

I'm just a big advocate of the sumo deadlift. It's a great all-around strength and power movement. particularly for hitting the spinal erectors, a muscle group I've come to appreciate more in my advanced age. When you're young, you don't think about them much because they're not  "show muscles." However, from a structural integrity standpoint, you can make a case that there's no group more important.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 15, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
I'm just a big advocate of the sumo deadlift. It's a great all-around strength and power movement. particularly for hitting the spinal erectors, a muscle group I've come to appreciate more in my advanced age. When you're young, you don't think about them much because they're not  "show muscles." However, from a structural integrity standpoint, you can make a case that there's no group more important.


I agree.  I'm learning that muscle group translates to almost everything.

I've done sumos in the past, but lately do all deadlifting using a hex bar......I just feel it's a safer option at this point.
Title: Re: Kettle Ball Swinging Between Legs And Over Head?
Post by: ESFitness on July 15, 2017, 02:41:08 PM
You're not taking the interior adult completely out of the movement but you're also not using the front delt to raise the Kettlebell. You're using your hips and glutes and hamstrings and all that shit to to generate force and momentum to get that kettlebell in one nice smooth movement. The moment you start using her interior delts or even medial delts and traps to get that in kettlebell up there the movement becomes kind of herky-jerky and is easy to spot.

The kettlebell swing is not meant to be a replacement for a squat or deadlift. If I wanted to replicate Ascot with the Kettlebell I would just do a goblet squat holding the Kettlebell with both hands Palms facing up with the Kettlebell at the top of your chest squatting down and right back up. Holding the Kettlebell this way forces or at least it helps reinforce your body position to be proper in the squad if the Kettlebell isn't held in the proper position at the top of the chest the squad would end up looking like a whip orb" ? " (question mark) snapping into an " ! "@ the top of the movement... For these I would usually do 20 seconds of kettlebell or goblet-squat only, Falling by 20 seconds of kettlebell squat press at which the top of the movement you press the Kettlebell overhead while being mindful of keeping your elbows in front of your body during the Press portion of the movement as well as on the way back down. While we're on the subject of kettlebells I would usually follow that up with something like a kettlebell upright row for 20 seconds again, followed by a kettlebell sumo squat with legs wide and feed straight foeward while holding the Kettlebell down by yer nuts. You upper body remains upright and neutral while you squat down the mindful to keep your knees pushed out and feed straight. If you get low enough you may have to cuddle Bell on the floor at which point you come back up from the squad and move directly into an upright row in one smooth fluid motion and not breaking it down into segments and all herky-jerky. and then from there I would probably move into a single arm cross body kettlebell hip hinge again probably 20 seconds per leg on the first one followed write up with a 15-second pearl egg series

Lol@ pearl egg series.. Haha no clue what that was supposed to mean. Voice text typos lol