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No doubt Jones is a gifted fighter and imo the best the UFC has ever produce. But when he
squared off with Cormier he makes Daniel look like a little boy. Jones just towers over him and
the reach advantage seemed impossible to over come. Cormier got in his licks but Jones just
controlled the fight from the get go.
I remember the trouble Jones had with the Swede who matched his height but I thought maybe it
had more to do with ring rust and personal issues. Jones has taken the skill aspect to another level with moves we haven't seen before but still so much of his success I think has to do with incredible height advantage he has over his opponents.
After Gustafsson what's left for Jones at LHW?
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Nobody. So Jones will fight Lesnar.
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U don't think a prime Anderson can beat him?
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No doubt Jones is a gifted fighter and imo the best the UFC has ever produce. But when he squared off with Cormier he makes Daniel look like a little boy.
He's not that superior of a fighter.
He just happens to be a 6 trick clown in a 1 trick circus.
I still, to this day, think a solid leg game will be his demise.
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He's not that superior of a fighter.
He just happens to be a 6 trick clown in a 1 trick circus.
I still, to this day, think a solid leg game will be his demise.
Either Gus vs. Jones or Lesnar vs. Jones
Both really intriguing matchups.
Jones really helped his future prospects with that decisive ko victory last night.
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U don't think a prime Anderson can beat him?
maybe if he caught him, but i am pretty sure jones would have taken silva down , and kept him there
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jones talked about moving up to heavy weight.
jones dc is just a bad matchup for dc because of jones reach and height advantage.
kinda like how flex lewis would never win against phil heath.
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Jones with the same skillset but at 5'9" wouldnt be as successful.
His range and reach helps alot.
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Jones with the same skillset but at 5'9" wouldnt be as successful.
His range and reach helps alot.
DC closed the range this time around and, until he got caught, was fighting a good fight.
When fighting people like Jones, with so much reach advantage and his annoying proclivity to poke people out, getting his attention to his legs is primordial.
If someone can develop a solid leg game against him, really fuck up his lower legs, I can see him getting knocked the fuck out.
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if there were less money in basketball the ufc would have 20 jon jones. all fighting eachother.
and then there would be a BUF - black ultimate fighting and don king would run it
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if there were less money in basketball the ufc would have 20 jon jones. all fighting eachother.
and then there would be a BUF - black ultimate fighting and don king would run it
MMA right now is at a cross roads. 30,000-foot view shows we've gone from mainly stand up (early years) to some stand up + some BJJ to mostly BJJ and a little stand up to some wrestling + some bjj + some stand up to now... I have no fucking idea. What I do know is that some of the coaching utterly sucks. I see fighters getting overpowered like amateurs, which tells me that their camp didn't even bother to adapt their fighter's skill set to those of the opponent.
I see Muay Thai becoming more relevant in MMA. People will eventually have to start closing the distance against the likes of Jones or Woodley because the later generate most of their explosiveness from that distance.
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He might have a broken jaw. During the post fight show interview, the left side of his face looked pretty swollen and he was having trouble speaking.
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Id take frank Mir over Jones at heavy weight.
The heavyweight div has gone to shit because of usada.
Mir's out of The UFC. Brocks not even done with his suspension but he's also not tested until he "unretires" then he'll have like 6months testing after that.
Who's left? Stipe? LoL guys like Rogan I trying to include him as one of the best heavyweights of all time? What a fucking joke. That leaves who? Mark hunt and Overeem?... Of likely take overreen over Jones. But huntnwill getboutclassed skill wise.
Jones has been saying he's focusing more on grappling and jiu-jitsu but I don't see that working with brock, overreem, or stipe.. Or even hunt.
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Jones is explosively powerful and a master at the martial arts. His brother plays in the NFL so he has good genes for athletics. He is right now the best in MMA pound for pound. He seems to have an answer for anything. On the ground and stand up he is top shelf. Like all MMA fighters they have short shelf lives in this brutal game. His time will come but for right know he is at the top of the mountain.
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Jones is explosively powerful and a master at the martial arts. His brother plays in the NFL so he has good genes for athletics. He is right now the best in MMA pound for pound. He seems to have an answer for anything. On the ground and stand up he is top shelf. Like all MMA fighters they have short shelf lives in this brutal game. His time will come but for right know he is at the top of the mountain.
Cyborg, DJ, Joanna, Connor > Bones Jones in terms of P4P rankings
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He has no punching power
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U don't think a prime Anderson can beat him?
Fuck no. Not even a competitive fight. Anderson was great for his era, but the sport has evolved
and dare I say passed him by. Everything Silva could do, Jones does better. Plus, he's bigger, stronger
and faster.
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DC was doing a lot better in this fight than the first before getting caught, I think he could be worthy of a third attempt and should consider it.
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Fuck no. Not even a competitive fight. Anderson was great for his era, but the sport has evolved
and dare I say passed him by. Everything Silva could do, Jones does better. Plus, he's bigger, stronger
and faster.
The body weight disparity makes a difference too. Anderson could likely do great even today in the middleweight class. But Jones is light-heavyweight.
Funny how average welterweights today could beat the 2002 version of Matt Hughes. :o
The talent pool is much steeper.
I read that Jones has a 650 deadlift and 350 bench press. That bench press is amazing for a fighter, especially when you consider his reach. His strength is likely part of the advantage he has over other competitors too.
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Fuck no. Not even a competitive fight. Anderson was great for his era, but the sport has evolved
and dare I say passed him by. Everything Silva could do, Jones does better. Plus, he's bigger, stronger
and faster.
I don't think so, Silvia prime would take him
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The body weight disparity makes a difference too. Anderson could likely do great even today in the middleweight class. But Jones is light-heavyweight.
Funny how average welterweights today could beat the 2002 version of Matt Hughes. :o
The talent pool is much steeper.
I read that Jones has a 650 deadlift and 350 bench press. That bench press is amazing for a fighter, especially when you consider his reach. His strength is likely part of the advantage he has over other competitors too.
Even Cormier, a very strong dude, remarked that he was surprised at how strong Jones felt in their first fight. Jones was the only guy that has ever taken Cormier down and he did so several times the first time around.
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Even Cormier, a very strong dude, remarked that he was surprised at how strong Jones felt in their first fight. Jones was the only guy that has ever taken Cormier down and he did so several times the first time around.
Wow.
I believe GSP was never taken down more than twice in a fight. Apparently GSP didn't train for strength, and said it didn't matter that much. Johny Hendricks was about the same strength as Matt C - benching 140 pound dumbbells for 5 reps. Could be BS though. That said, since USADA testing came in, Johny has never been the same. I can't recall if Hendricks took GSP down more than two times. He was a strong wrestler with heavy hands. A world class wrestler, and even he couldn't take down GSP very easily. Contrast that with the GSP and Diaz fight - GSP took down Diaz over and over with ease.
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lets not forget that jon jones turned 30 a couple of weeks ago where as dc is 38. jones is in his prime, dc is at the end of his career.
jones been in ufc since 2008 where as dc got in late at 2013.
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lets not forget that jon jones turned 30 a couple of weeks ago where as dc is 38. jones is in his prime, dc is at the end of his career.
jones been in ufc since 2008 where as dc got in late at 2013.
Jones started at age 21, but DC at 34?
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Jones started at age 21, but DC at 34?
he started earlier in strike force but ufc in 2013
jones started in 2008 and had 6 fights before going to the ufc same year so thats 7 fights in 2008 alone pretty crazy
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Cyborg, DJ, Joanna, Connor > Bones Jones in terms of P4P rankings
Cyborg and Joanna LOL. None of them have dominated like Jones for the length of time he has in the top organization . Cyborg fought bums for years, she has no competition. Joanna hasn't been around long enough and isn't as dominant as in her first bunch of UFC wins.
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Cyborg and Joanna LOL. None of them have dominated like Jones for the length of time he has in the top organization . Cyborg fought bums for years, she has no competition. Joanna hasn't been around long enough and isn't as dominant as in her first bunch of UFC wins.
It is at least an interesting conversation.
Cyborg has won 17 straight, many of them via first round knock outs. Her fights are basically forgone conclusions before the match even starts. Many times with 10 to 1 odds minimum in her favor.
Jones dominates and has a colorful record but certainly not even close to putting down opponents with the same ease Cyborg does.
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if someone like cyborg wins easily that says more about the competition than her skills.
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Volkan Ozemir
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Jones would have trouble against Dos santos, Miocic, Overeem, Werdum.. Cain would destroy Jones.. Lesnar is easy fight.. just circulate, stay in distance and Lesnar will gas and then attack
UFC always like to promote(brainwash) Jones as the best figther ever.. Jones should go up in weight-class, so far the only one truly 2x division champ is Conor..
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Lesnar doesn't deserve a fight with Jones. He's just a roided gorilla, without his strength he's a total can.
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Lesnar doesn't deserve a fight with Jones. He's just a roided gorilla, without his strength he's a total can.
UFC needs this fight to generate income or it'll be bankrupt within two years
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UFC needs this fight to generate income or it'll be bankrupt within two years
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cb/4c/1f/cb4c1f54d0014982a1ca623d494a026f.jpg)
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;D
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;D
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matt c is p4p champ
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Would Jon Jones be as successful being 5'8" , Sean Salmons chin, having Daniel Cormiers legs, and Artem Lobovs arms and reach?
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Would Jon Jones be as successful being 5'8" , Sean Salmons chin, having Daniel Cormiers legs, and Artem Lobovs arms and reach?
With all of those disabilities? Well no... Jones utilizes his physical attributes well, but has his issues too, why NOBODY attacks his skinny legs with kicks dumbfounds me, why they don't stamp on his toes in the clinch (after his big toe almost got cut wholly off in the Sonnen fight) is also retarded. He can be beaten, he has been hit hard but never received a hard flurry of punches, only one at a time.
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With all of those disabilities? Well no... Jones utilizes his physical attributes well, but has his issues too, why NOBODY attacks his skinny legs with kicks dumbfounds me, why they don't stamp on his toes in the clinch (after his big toe almost got cut wholly off in the Sonnen fight) is also retarded. He can be beaten, he has been hit hard but never received a hard flurry of punches, only one at a time.
Would look hilarious with Artem Lobovs arms on his frame though.
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Would look hilarious with Artem Lobovs arms on his frame though.
Haha a black thalidomide
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Haha a black thalidomide
Must watch! :D
Clickage and then Refreshage (http://i.imgur.com/AwWqgnV.jpg)
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Jones would have trouble against Dos santos, Miocic, Overeem, Werdum.. Cain would destroy Jones.. Lesnar is easy fight.. just circulate, stay in distance and Lesnar will gas and then attack
UFC always like to promote(brainwash) Jones as the best figther ever.. Jones should go up in weight-class, so far the only one truly 2x division champ is Conor..
He would have ZERO trouble with JDS. Out of Stipe, Overeem, Werdum and Cain, I believe based on size and styles that Overeem gives him the most trouble. I've said it for years,
and I'll say it again. Not only are Jones and DC the two best light heavyweights on the planet, they are also the two best heavyweights on the planet.
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Jones has superior skills and superior size. I hope he keeps his head on straight this time.
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He would have ZERO trouble with JDS. Out of Stipe, Overeem, Werdum and Cain, I believe based on size and styles that Overeem gives him the most trouble. I've said it for years,
and I'll say it again. Not only are Jones and DC the two best light heavyweights on the planet, they are also the two best heavyweights on the planet.
You know nothing. Gus put Jones in the hospital.
Imagine what a 250-260lb fighter would do to him.
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You know nothing. Gus put Jones in the hospital.
Imagine what a 250-260lb fighter would do to him.
We can agree that you are limited mentally. Jones would take any heavyweight challenge more seriously than
he did Gus. Mark my words, if he and Gus fight again, like Floyd would say. Easy, goddamn work!
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We can agree that you are limited mentally. Jones would take any heavyweight challenge more seriously than
he did Gus. Mark my words, if he and Gus fight again, like Floyd would say. Easy, goddamn work!
Your words mean nothing. Gus hurt Jones. That cannot be changed. It is a historical fact .
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Your words mean nothing. Gus hurt Jones. That cannot be changed. It is a historical fact .
Just like Jesus, right? LMFAO!
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he's a heavyweight frame that happens to have sticks for legs so he is able to make a lighter weightclass.
that's why he wins against the smaller guys superior range and taking advantage of it in a clever way.
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Jones would take any heavyweight challenge more seriously than
he did Gus. Mark my words, if he and Gus fight again, like Floyd would say. Easy, goddamn work!
No!! Mark my words.. Jones would've challenge the HW division long time ago if it was that easy.. There's a reason he goes through a hard weight cut every time, his camp knows that Miocic, Cain, Overeem, JDS, Werdum, etc.. would give him serious trouble.
It's funny you say that Jones would win easy against JDS, that only shows how little you actually know the fighting game, in their camps trainers, managers, sparring partners can see to some extend how Jones would do in HW division.. and they know.. trust me!!
Just like GSP and Silva, they knew that going up in weight class and challenge for the title would be a huge risk..
Conor knew that the LW division wasn't a big risk.. therefore they challenge with much confidence!!
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Just like Jesus, right? LMFAO!
I see that you quickly changed the subject! Your argument was weak, so you changed the subject ;D
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Jon Jones is the GOAT. End/Thread.