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Blaming Trump for the events in Charlottesville is silly. TDS is real.
Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
Monday, 14 Aug 2017
President Donald Trump on Monday said "racism is evil" and that anyone who causes violence in its name are "criminals and thugs."
It was the president's strongest reaction yet to the violence that erupted in Charlottesville, Va., over the weekend that resulted in the death of a protester and two Virginia state troopers.
However, Trump began the hastily called press conference in Washington by first touting the success of his efforts with the economy, citing the stock market, the creation of "1 million jobs since I took office," and a 16-year low in unemployment.
Then Trump pivoted to Charlottesville, saying he had met with new FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and that they are opening a civil rights investigation into the events that led to violent clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters and, ultimately, the death of Heather Heyer, a white protester.
"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said at a Monday press conference.
"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered," Trump said. "As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America."
Trump had been roundly criticized for not immediately responding Saturday with the same condemnation he delivered Monday.
At the heart of criticism levied against Trump over the weekend was the remark that hit at the "egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."
Trump was more direct and forceful Monday.
"And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence," Trump said.
An Ohio man, James Fields, is being held without bail for driving his car into a large group of protesters that killed Heyer and wounded many more.
"Two days ago, a young American woman Heather Heyer was tragically killed. Her death fills us with grief and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers and our love," Trump said.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-Trump-The-Latest/2017/08/14/id/807542/
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Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.
He should have said this Saturday.
At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?
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Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.
He should have said this Saturday.
At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?
exactly
his first statement is represents his genuine feelings
this statement today is clearly political damage control and just like everyone on "many sides" understood what his first statement meant they will also understand the motivation and intent of this statement
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Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.
He should have said this Saturday.
At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?
He should have left it with his first statement when it happened "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides" the statement was clear and everyone knows it. The left are just dying to get something on this guy....anything. Everything that comes out of his mouth will be dissected and taken out of context.
The last administration thrived on crap like this and did next to nothing to try and resolve it but rather incite more protests, sometimes violent be it cop shootings that rarely resulted in the cop being in the wrong to Trump rallies. In contrast Sessions opens a Civil Rights case. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall Holder or Lynch doing anything remotely close
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He should have left it with his first statement when it happened "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides" the statement was clear and everyone knows it. The left are just dying to get something on this guy....anything. Everything that comes out of his mouth will be dissected and taken out of context.
The last administration thrived on crap like this and did next to nothing to try and resolve it but rather incite more protests, sometimes violent be it cop shootings that rarely resulted in the cop being in the wrong to Trump rallies. In contrast Sessions opens a Civil Rights case. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall Holder or Lynch doing anything remotely close
I hate to break it to you, but only one side showed bigotry.
This is NOT a left / right issue. Some of these people are NAZIS. National Socialists... You know... LEFTISTS as you call them.
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Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.
He should have said this Saturday.
At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?
Yes I agree he could have made a better statement. Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer? More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth.
If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.
That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads. He's not.
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Yes I agree he could have made a better statement. Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer? More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth.
If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.
That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads. He's not.
It's rhetorical of course... He's certainly not. He has nothing in common with any of them.
That said, I don't think he minds being able to count on their votes. They are certainly a portion of what put him in office, no?
Yes, there is hatred on both sides, no argument, but the KKK and Nazis do have a history and are founded (especially in the US) on the principles of hatred. That's how they drive recruitment. I don't think BLM is driving recruitment because they hate white people.
Perhaps I'm wrong though. I don't have any interest in any of their groups.
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It's rhetorical of course... He's certainly not. He has nothing in common with any of them.
That said, I don't think he minds being able to count on their votes. They are certainly a portion of what put him in office, no?
Yes, there is hatred on both sides, no argument, but the KKK and Nazis do have a history and are founded (especially in the US) on the principles of hatred. That's how they drive recruitment. I don't think BLM is driving recruitment because they hate white people.
Perhaps I'm wrong though. I don't have any interest in any of their groups.
I doubt those folks had an impact on the election. And he said nothing while running for office that would lead them to believe he would support some antiquated racist agenda.
To me, this is like giving the Westboro Baptist Church a national platform and then trying to brand all Christianity with the acts of a handful of idiots.
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Yes I agree he could have made a better statement. Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer? More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth.
If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.
That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads. He's not.
100% agree, he's had this shoved onto him unfairly.
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I doubt those folks had an impact on the election. And he said nothing while running for office that would lead them to believe he would support some antiquated racist agenda.
To me, this is like giving the Westboro Baptist Church a national platform and then trying to brand all Christianity with the acts of a handful of idiots.
He didn't say anything, but he also didn't denounce them during his run. That was good enough for them it seems.
I can see what you're saying, but Christianity wasn't founded to stop the black devil, the KKK was. Christianity wasn't founded to stomp out Jewish people, or Catholics, or whomever. Nazism kind of was.
History does count.
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It's rhetorical of course... He's certainly not. He has nothing in common with any of them.
That said, I don't think he minds being able to count on their votes. They are certainly a portion of what put him in office, no?
Yes, there is hatred on both sides, no argument, but the KKK and Nazis do have a history and are founded (especially in the US) on the principles of hatred. That's how they drive recruitment. I don't think BLM is driving recruitment because they hate white people.
Perhaps I'm wrong though. I don't have any interest in any of their groups.
Show me an election from any time in our lives when any such group hasn't supported the "R" on their ballot. IMO it's MSM once again seizing an opportunity to unfairly pin shit on Trump, just as they're pretending that the Russians only now discovered "hacking" in this election.
It's just a matter of convenience for them. That's it.
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He didn't say anything, but he also didn't denounce them during his run. That was good enough for them it seems.
I can see what you're saying, but Christianity wasn't founded to stop the black devil, the KKK was. Christianity wasn't founded to stomp out Jewish people, or Catholics, or whomever. Nazism kind of was.
History does count.
He actually did denounce them during his campaign. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-campaign-rejects-support-of-repulsive/
I agree history matters.
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Show me an election from any time in our lives when any such group hasn't supported the "R" on their ballot. IMO it's MSM once again seizing an opportunity to unfairly pin shit on Trump, just as they're pretending that the Russians only now discovered "hacking" in this election.
It's just a matter of convenience for them. That's it.
It's just partisan politics.
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Show me an election from any time in our lives when any such group hasn't supported the "R" on their ballot. IMO it's MSM once again seizing an opportunity to unfairly pin shit on Trump, just as they're pretending that the Russians only now discovered "hacking" in this election.
It's just a matter of convenience for them. That's it.
Romney Said something. Bush said something. Most Rs say something. It may cost them votes, but they do it because they may not be perfect, but even they have some moral standards.
Trump has no morals. He will shit on anyone (as proven by how he treats those who supported him) and everyone and use anything and everything to his advantage.
He's a charlatan who will do whatever he thinks will win. He's trash.
He actually did denounce them during his campaign. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-campaign-rejects-support-of-repulsive/
I agree history matters.
Trump made no such statement. "His Campaign" Did.
There is zero quote from Trump in that article or anywhere else I can find that he specifically says it himself.
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Romney Said something. Bush said something. Most Rs say something. It may cost them votes, but they do it because they may not be perfect, but even they have some moral standards.
Trump has no morals. He will shit on anyone (as proven by how he treats those who supported him) and everyone and use anything and everything to his advantage.
He's a charlatan who will do whatever he thinks will win. He's trash.
Trump made no such statement. "His Campaign" Did.
There is zero quote from Trump in that article or anywhere else I can find that he specifically says it himself.
His campaign making the statement is the same as Trump making the statement. They speak for him. And he did denounce them repeatedly when the media tried this same tactic of insinuating that Trump supports the KKK:
Asked, “How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?”
TRUMP: “I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK. All right. I disavow. OK?”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article63492082.html
There is plenty to dislike about Trump. Being a bigot is not one of them. He's not a bigot and hasn't done anything to support them.
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His campaign making the statement is the same as Trump making the statement. They speak for him. And he did denounce them repeatedly when the media tried this same tactic of insinuating that Trump supports the KKK:
Asked, “How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?”
TRUMP: “I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK. All right. I disavow. OK?”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article63492082.html
There is plenty to dislike about Trump. Being a bigot is not one of them. He's not a bigot and hasn't done anything to support them.
I'm not saying he's a bigot. I've never said that. I've said he uses their bigotry to his advantage because he's scum.
What makes them so emboldened now that he's in office? They didn't get like this under Bush... They weren't like this under Clinton or any other President. They didn't just start becoming racist because Obama was in office. So tell me why racists feel like it's ok now.
Hell, look at this board. (Not the politics, but the rest) the racism that is here on getbig today was never here 10 years ago. A Black guy becomes president and now racists come out of the woodwork? So it's Obama's fault? (rhetorical)
He did say that about David Duke. I remember that one line. Good luck finding another. Didn't he retweet a bunch of neo-nazi stuff as well? Pretty sure THAT happened.
I am saying that he may not necessarily be some deep racist himself, but he sure has made it cool to be racist today in 2017.
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Trump caved on this. Seems afraid to denounce BLM, etc. that had a large hand in this as well. Both extreme sides are wrong and should be shunned for what they are.
His first statement was correct except for the fact that he was too "afraid" to call out by name both sides specifically. Now he buckles and doesn't mention the other losers. Though I am kind of torn on that because people shouldn't have to be that stupid to have to have someone specifically say who are the problems when it is obvious what he was saying but now that he caved and condemned one wacko side he says nothing about the other. That's a downgrade in my eyes. Call out both.
Mindboggling how much violence antifa, etc. engages in yet not a peep essentially from the media on that. Throwing urine and feces, etc. Even NYTimes right before the incident one of the reporters said they were the ones getting out of control.
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Romney Said something. Bush said something. Most Rs say something. It may cost them votes, but they do it because they may not be perfect, but even they have some moral standards.
Trump has no morals. He will shit on anyone (as proven by how he treats those who supported him) and everyone and use anything and everything to his advantage.
He's a charlatan who will do whatever he thinks will win. He's trash.
Trump made no such statement. "His Campaign" Did.
There is zero quote from Trump in that article or anywhere else I can find that he specifically says it himself.
I can't disagree, but then again it sort of makes his case in this one.
Lol, you know things are bad when it takes something like that. But that's what it is.
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I'm not saying he's a bigot. I've never said that. I've said he uses their bigotry to his advantage because he's scum.
What makes them so emboldened now that he's in office? They didn't get like this under Bush... They weren't like this under Clinton or any other President. They didn't just start becoming racist because Obama was in office. So tell me why racists feel like it's ok now.
Hell, look at this board. (Not the politics, but the rest) the racism that is here on getbig today was never here 10 years ago. A Black guy becomes president and now racists come out of the woodwork? So it's Obama's fault? (rhetorical)
He did say that about David Duke. I remember that one line. Good luck finding another. Didn't he retweet a bunch of neo-nazi stuff as well? Pretty sure THAT happened.
I am saying that he may not necessarily be some deep racist himself, but he sure has made it cool to be racist today in 2017.
I'm not saying you are calling him a bigot. I think that's what the MSM and Democrats in Congress are doing, along with people suffering from TDS.
I don't think these handful of idiots have only recently come out of the closet. I think the media is giving them more of a platform. That's how the media manipulates public opinion. They tell people what to focus on.
I'm sure I could find other quotes from Trump and his campaign about that whole KKK nonsense. I remember hearing them. But you have two statements from him/his campaign denouncing them. How many times does he need to do? And why did they keep asking him about it anyway? It's all part of the "deplorables" tactic. Just like they called Romney, McCain, and Dubya racists. It's part of the MSM/Democrat playbook.
In terms of bigots on this board, they've been here as long as I've been posting (since 2006?). I don't think they are any more or less prevalent than at any given time I've been here.
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I'm not saying you are calling him a bigot. I think that's what the MSM and Democrats in Congress are doing, along with people suffering from TDS.
I don't think these handful of idiots have only recently come out of the closet. I think the media is giving them more of a platform. That's how the media manipulates public opinion. They tell people what to focus on.
I'm sure I could find other quotes from Trump and his campaign about that whole KKK nonsense. I remember hearing them. But you have two statements from him/his campaign denouncing them. How many times does he need to do? And why did they keep asking him about it anyway? It's all part of the "deplorables" tactic. Just like they called Romney, McCain, and Dubya racists. It's part of the MSM/Democrat playbook.
In terms of bigots on this board, they've been here as long as I've been posting (since 2006?). I don't think they are any more or less prevalent than at any given time I've been here.
Congress and the people truly saying he's racist are surely being ridiculous. I mean, he may be a buffoon at times, but to just call him an out and out racist is absolutely a political motivation that has no merit. They did call them racists, but they were quick to say, 'not so fast.'
Sidebar - I'll be completely honest, GWB may be the least racist President we ever had. He gave more money to AIDS in Africa than anyone and he is the reason why there is an African American History Museum today. He set the money aside for that. Not anyone else.
It's possible that it's media driven, but I recall many years ago, a Klan Rally happening close to where I used to live and it was on the news and they held it deep in the forest on private property so no one would know who was there. People went in and left under the cover of darkness. It was not as overt as it is now.
I think they asked about it, and this is my opinion of course, because he received a lot more overt support during his run than I can remember others receiving during theirs. I could be wrong about this of course.
Now, we must also take in context the fact that the internet has made information more readily available, so if someone did support previous presidents, there was no Twitter or Facebook or any of the other mediums to relay that information. Maybe it's just a part of the movement of technology, so it shows up faster and easier.
Yes, there have been bigots here, but I don't believe it's been as bad as it is now. That's of course opinion, but we can only see what our eyes see.
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I'm not saying you are calling him a bigot. I think that's what the MSM and Democrats in Congress are doing, along with people suffering from TDS.
I don't think these handful of idiots have only recently come out of the closet. I think the media is giving them more of a platform. That's how the media manipulates public opinion. They tell people what to focus on.
I'm sure I could find other quotes from Trump and his campaign about that whole KKK nonsense. I remember hearing them. But you have two statements from him/his campaign denouncing them. How many times does he need to do? And why did they keep asking him about it anyway? It's all part of the "deplorables" tactic. Just like they called Romney, McCain, and Dubya racists. It's part of the MSM/Democrat playbook.
In terms of bigots on this board, they've been here as long as I've been posting (since 2006?). I don't think they are any more or less prevalent than at any given time I've been here.
End of Thread.
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Congress and the people truly saying he's racist are surely being ridiculous. I mean, he may be a buffoon at times, but to just call him an out and out racist is absolutely a political motivation that has no merit. They did call them racists, but they were quick to say, 'not so fast.'
Sidebar - I'll be completely honest, GWB may be the least racist President we ever had. He gave more money to AIDS in Africa than anyone and he is the reason why there is an African American History Museum today. He set the money aside for that. Not anyone else.
It's possible that it's media driven, but I recall many years ago, a Klan Rally happening close to where I used to live and it was on the news and they held it deep in the forest on private property so no one would know who was there. People went in and left under the cover of darkness. It was not as overt as it is now.
I think they asked about it, and this is my opinion of course, because he received a lot more overt support during his run than I can remember others receiving during theirs. I could be wrong about this of course.
Now, we must also take in context the fact that the internet has made information more readily available, so if someone did support previous presidents, there was no Twitter or Facebook or any of the other mediums to relay that information. Maybe it's just a part of the movement of technology, so it shows up faster and easier.
Yes, there have been bigots here, but I don't believe it's been as bad as it is now. That's of course opinion, but we can only see what our eyes see.
I think you're right about the internet having a big impact.
As far back as I can remember, there has always been some doofus coming on here talking about eugenics, race-based IQ, etc.
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I think you're right about the internet having a big impact.
As far back as I can remember, there has always been some doofus coming on here talking about eugenics, race-based IQ, etc.
Extreme racist groups will always occupy a sliver of the world's population.
For a variety of reasons, some groups can get away with more one side rhetoric and actions.
Here's my summary , based on my own half-assed observations:
1. Pro gay or transgender groups almost always get a pass now.
ESPN even gave their "courage award" to Kaitlyn Bruce Jenner for being an open drag queen.
2. Pro Feminist groups are near impossible to be critical of, regardless of what they say.
3. Being for gay rights, black lives or Hispanic heritage is considered cultural pride.
But, pride for white culture is considered racist. Hmmm???
That always seemed like a double standard.
I think we should all be treated fairly as humanly possible and enjoy the same basic rights.
Having the same FAIR opportunity doesn't guarantee an equal result.
This is why some teams win more games then others in the same league.
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For whatever reason, Trump's Presidency seems to empower the Alt Right, racist folk. -Not saying it's his fault directly, but it may be so indirectly.
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Yes I agree he could have made a better statement. Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer? More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth.
If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.
That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads. He's not.
Since the election I have been avoiding politics.
I am not fan of Trump. What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.
But this latest thing has been pretty disappointing to me. It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB). I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like, "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."
Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.
Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.
Did he not say something to the effect: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?
Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement. But FFS. ::)
Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?
Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?
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100% agree, he's had this shoved onto him unfairly.
poor little President Snowflake
so unfair that this happened and he was too stupid to immediately repudiate these people and tell them to stop making claims in his name, etc...
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Since the election I have been avoiding politics.
I am not fan of Trump. What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.
But this latest thing has been pretty disappointing to me. It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB). I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like, "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."
Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.
Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.
Did he not say something to the effect: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?
Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement. But FFS. ::)
Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?
Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?
Same with me, Oz. If anything, it shows he's trying to avoid throwing it out of balance by pretending it's "OK" for one group, but not another.
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poor little President Snowflake
so unfair that this happened and he was too stupid to immediately repudiate these people and tell them to stop making claims in his name, etc...
I just want them (MSM) to STFU and quit pretending to be a Free Press already. Just come out and admit they have an agenda and maybe we can work forward from there.
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Since the election I have been avoiding politics.
I am not fan of Trump. What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.
But this latest thing has been pretty disappointing to me. It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB). I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like, "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."
Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.
Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.
Did he not say something to the effect: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?
Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement. But FFS. ::)
Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?
Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?
He's alive! :D
I've actually pulled back significantly as well. I don't watch much of the network news. I do record Tucker Carlson's show. Stopped talking to people about politics for the most part. A lot of them are still acting like little kids who had their ice cream cones fall and hit the pavement.
I've said this a few times, but the problem liberals and the MSM are going to have is they have cried wolf so many times and set the bar so low that Trump will only have to be mildly successful to get reelected. Plus when he actually does do something bad, which is definitely possible, people aren't going to pay attention. I don't believe any of the headlines I see from these "news" outlets at first glance.
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Mother of Charlottesville Victim Thanks Trump
By Solange Reyner | Monday, 14 Aug 2017
Susan Bro, the mother of the Charlottesville victim who died when a driver smashed into a line of cars, pushing one into pedestrians, thanked President Donald Trump for "denouncing those who promote violence and hatred," according to a statement Monday provided to NBC News.
NBC News ✔ @NBCNews
Susan Bro, mother of Charlottesville attack victim Heather Heyer, thanks Pres. Trump for "denouncing those who promote violence and hatred"
8:21 AM - Aug 14, 2017
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Trump said Monday the FBI and Justice Department were opening a civil rights investigation into the events that led to violent clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters and, the death of Heather Heyer, who died after James Fields allegedly rammed his car into a sedan, which hit a minivan into a crowd of pedestrians.
"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said at a Monday news conference, his strongest reaction yet to the violence over the weekend that resulted in Heyer's death and the death of two Virginia state troopers.
"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable," Trump said. "Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America."
Trump was slammed over the weekend for not immediately condemning white nationalists or white supremacists by name in his initial reaction, but his statements Monday were more forceful.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/heather-heyer-violence-terrorism-speech/2017/08/14/id/807601/
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How many protesters and counter protesters participated?
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Since the election I have been avoiding politics.
So why are you still moderator on this forum?
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So why are you still moderator on this forum?
It's just because he's so damn good.
No, one of us can give hm a break if he wants. ;D
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I think the situation's done it to many individuals.
There are friends I've had for many years, that I refuse to talk politics with anymore because they become too angry with me, too quickly. They forget I've known them for so long that, when they make a ridiculous 180 on an issue, I'm right there to call them out on it from memory. And there's been a LOT of that lately.
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I hate to break it to you, but only one side showed bigotry.
This is NOT a left / right issue. Some of these people are NAZIS. National Socialists... You know... LEFTISTS as you call them.
I'm not denying one bit who showed the bigotry but I'm also seeing, yes the left, jumping on Trump and the right in general making blanket statements about how the entire right wing are ALL bigots. That alone makes it a right/left issue.
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Obama and the left shove anti-white, identity politics shit down the throats of white America for 8 years and then the left is surprised that the people being shit on push back?
Trump didn't lose in Charlottesville....Every one of us lost.
To try to blame Trump for the stupidity that went on is asinine. The only regret is that the idiot in the car didn't run over the asswipe mayor or governor
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I'm not denying one bit who showed the bigotry but I'm also seeing, yes the left, jumping on Trump and the right in general making blanket statements about how the entire right wing are ALL bigots. That alone makes it a right/left issue.
Who said the entire right wing are all bigots? Show them to me and I'll call them morons as I would anyone who makes blanket statements.
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Who said the entire right wing are all bigots? Show them to me and I'll call them morons as I would anyone who makes blanket statements.
Coach makes blanket statements about the liberal left all the time...he's just too dense to see his hypocrisy.
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Coach makes blanket statements about the liberal left all the time...he's just too dense to see his hypocrisy.
Actually genius I don't. I do however make it towards political leftists in Washington who at least know the people who they are targeting their messages too (i.e. You, Strawman, Andreisdaman, Prime, Howard, etc) are too damn stupid to know right from wrong and will buy into anything they say.
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Good to see these types of comments... :-X
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Also, it's good to see citizens taking down "racist" statues on their own! I can't wait until they go after Jefferson and Washington... :-X
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Also, it's good to see citizens taking down "racist" statues on their own! I can't wait until they go after Jefferson and Washington... :-X
That's nothing more than lemmings vandalizing property.
I'm sure all 3 will be outed on Twitter and fired from their jobs?
Political correctness disgusts me.
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http://www.dailywire.com/news/19689/flashback-after-black-radical-massacred-dallas-james-barrett
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We are lost as a nation.
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I'm not denying one bit who showed the bigotry but I'm also seeing, yes the left, jumping on Trump and the right in general making blanket statements about how the entire right wing are ALL bigots. That alone makes it a right/left issue.
I agree Coach ( and already posted my views on this situation).
But the evil ass-clown of the day was the Neo-Nazi who drove his car into the crowd.
THAT was a terroristic act and no excuses can be made for it.
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Libfag commies are just as bad as nazis if not worse
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Libfag commies are just as bad as nazis if not worse
Liberals are not necessarily communists. Just like conservatives are not necessarily Nazis.
Sweeping generalizations do not help here.
People are much more complicated.
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Liberals are not necessarily communists. Just like conservatives are not necessarily Nazis.
Sweeping generalizations do not help here.
People are much more complicated.
Most liberals I see promote communist-lite policies. Same can not be said of conservatives who promote free markets and laizee faire ideology
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Most liberals I see promote communist-lite policies. Same can not be said of conservatives who promote free markets and laizee faire ideology
That's not true at all. You see what you want to see. Nothing more.
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Outstanding commentary.
Ok folks, here’s what REALLY happened in Charlottesville – and what everyone is missing
By Allen West
August 13, 2017
This past weekend I was honored to be in a most picturesque place with some great and hospitable folks in Prescott (Yavapai County) Arizona. I was there to address the Republican Women of Prescott, the nation’s largest Republican women’s club, on their 75th anniversary. The scenery there was just breathtaking and there was just a sense of solemnness that we all need experience from time to time. How great a contrast it was from what was happening across the country in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Let me begin by saying, I deplore any form of supremacist view — white, black, Hispanic, Islamic. I will be the first to openly state and embrace, a sense of American exceptionalism and supremacy that is rooted in our founding principles and values. Any and all else that is contradictory is to be condemned. What I have witnessed post the events of Saturday 12 August is the typical Rahm Emanuel mentality and political posturing: “never let a good crisis go to waste.”
Therefore, I seek to assess what really happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.
First, may God rest the soul of 32-year-old Heather Heyer who tragically lost her life. My sincere condolences to her, her family, and those others who were injured. I fully support seeking the death penalty for 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio who committed this horrific act of violence. But, how did we get to this place?
This all began because someone decided, as other elected officials have across the country, to cave in to partisan political pressures and seek to erase American history. History is not there for us to love or hate, but for us to learn from and seek to not repeat its mistakes.
If there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression. And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues.
I certainly did not appreciate former President Barack Obama taking a photo op in Cuba before the image of Che Guevara, nor do I enjoy seeing anyone wearing said image on t-shirts here in America…but I do not go into some whimsical state of “oppression.”
And so it is that we do possess in this Constitutional Republic a freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It would appear that said group who didn’t wish to see the statue of Virginian, General Robert E. Lee, who was a commissioned U.S. Army officer, graduate of West Point, and served the nation in the Mexican War, taken down did apply for a permit to hold a rally. We can dislike these individuals, but they took proper measures to secure permission to express their First Amendment right.
Contrary to their position, the word went out for a counter-protest to occur which included groups from a different side of the political spectrum, who have also been very guilty of hateful rhetoric and violence. What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned. And we must also ascertain, did the counter-protest group seek permit or did they just “show up” in order to provoke, and elicit a response they could use “politically?” Yes, motivations are important to understand in this case, if we’re serious about getting to the bottom of what happened in Charlottesville and not just the typical media-driven frenzy.
I find it rather odd that so many are seeking to lay blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville. And there are some voices out there who want to blame all white people, and all Republicans. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said. As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame laid on Barack Obama. It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable.
But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism? Why must some be browbeaten into condemning the actions of a few, yet we have others who have fully admitted their support to groups calling for a “resistance?” And where were the voices to condemn the violence in Washington DC on Inauguration Day, or even at UC-Berkeley…or the violence committed against those who support the current president or hold beliefs aligned with Constitutional conservatism?
If we want to condemn groups such as the neo-Nazis and others, then we must also condemn groups such as BLM and Antifa. And we need to stop the cherrypicking, as they all should be investigated. Let’s end this absurdity of trying to connect the Republican Party with the Ku Klux Klan, since it was a creation of the Democrat Party. And I seem to recall Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, infamously known as a grand wizard of the Klan, lauded over at his memorial by Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was Senator Byrd who was vehemently against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who supported its passage.
James Alex Fields will be punished to the full extent of the law, and I truly believe he should never see the light of day again. But if we blindly do not realize there has been an atmosphere of hatred fomented in this nation, we are ignorant. Who even remembers the fella who attempted to gun down several Republican Members of Congress at a baseball practice, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise? The mainstream liberal progressive media pushed that aside rather quickly, and let us not forget MSNBC commentator, Joy Reid, who on her Sunday show actually sought to justify Rep. Scalise’s shooting because of his voting record. Now, where was the condemnation there, and why is it that Ms. Reid still has a position and a show on that network?
Fareed Zakaria praised the Central Park play depicting the “Caesar-like” stabbing to death of President Trump — last time I checked he was still on CNN. And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump?
There’s plenty of guilt to be passed around here, but the progressive socialist left will sadly exploit this for all they can. They will horribly believe this will provide them some sort of electoral advantage. They fail to realize they’re just as complicit in what happened in Charlottesville. Let me ask that age-old rhetorical question: “if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there, does it make a sound?”
If we were to go back and ponder this incident and just let a small group of disaffected individuals hold a rally to protest the possible taking down of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, and no one had showed up…Instead a call went out and trouble, violence ensued. Or maybe, if we had courageous elected officials who would just say, those statues aren’t offending anyone; they’re part of American history, and they stay. Imagine that, would there even be a story, any rally, and violence?
What happened in Charlottesville must not be allowed to happen again. And that means we need to hold ANY group responsible that promotes violence. “What do we want, dead cops; when do we want them, now”…”Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”…no more. Our streets aren’t the place for hoods and masks, such as Antifa wears, and their violence and destruction of property. Let’s call them all out, and not have this selective enforcement mentality rooted in partisan political hackery. If we don’t stop the blatant hypocrisy, which is truly the problem, then we’re sitting on a powder keg — which I believe some wish for.
I have an idea. If y’all want to fight, sign up in the U.S. military — if you meet the standards. There are plenty of folks who do indeed hate the United States. Channel your angst against them…not each other.
https://www.allenbwest.com/2017/08/13/ok-folks-heres-really-happened-charlottesville-everyone-missing/
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That's not true at all. You see what you want to see. Nothing more.
False - show me examples.
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False - show me examples.
No need. You make a blanket generalization and it speaks to its own falsity
Just like it's impossible for anyone to show ALL of anything.
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No need. You make a blanket generalization and it speaks to its own falsity
Just like it's impossible for anyone to show ALL of anything.
False - the liberal movement of today = collectivization of resources and policies,
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False - the liberal movement of today = collectivization of resources and policies,
No. It's not. Any side has multiple facets. That's like me saying that the conservative movement of today is focus resources on white positive policies while ignoring all of the other intricacies that are policy for conservatives.
Your statement is completely false. As I said before. You see what you want to see.
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No. It's not. Any side has multiple facets. That's like me saying that the conservative movement of today is focus resources on white positive policies while ignoring all of the other intricacies that are policy for conservatives.
Your statement is completely false. As I said before. You see what you want to see.
nonsense - the liberal goal right now is single payer health care right? Yes or no
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nonsense - the liberal goal right now is single payer health care right? Yes or no
No. The liberal agenda according to liberals is civil liberty, mixed economy, social justice, and equality.
Some believe that a single payer health care system is a step towards that.
You picking one piece and calling it the "agenda" is pretty simplistic.
What do you think the conservative agenda is?
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No. The liberal agenda according to liberals is civil liberty, mixed economy, social justice, and equality.
Some believe that a single payer health care system is a step towards that.
You picking one piece and calling it the "agenda" is pretty simplistic.
What do you think the conservative agenda is?
You are trolling now
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You are trolling now
I'm not. I'm giving you a response. Do you choose to answer my question?
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How are these folks engaging in peaceful protests? Now that I've seen these clips, I think Trump is right that there was blame on all sides. That doesn't change the fact one bit that what any racist stands for is wrong. Or that if the driver intentionally ran over people he should spend the rest of his life in jail.
I think we are emboldening leftist fascists to continue to use violence to silence opposing viewpoints. And as we have seen in Berkeley and other places around the country, they don't simply try and silence bigots.
https://www.facebook.com/Breaking911/videos/661694044025664/?hc_ref=ARTgw8D5_YzoSuNTdFiWbQ6i6ePQ8gmKzKaTTpL5ucjiu2DOju0RaDbfMxWtUtNJ-yU
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No. The liberal agenda according to liberals is civil liberty, mixed economy, social justice, and equality.
Some believe that a single payer health care system is a step towards that.
You picking one piece and calling it the "agenda" is pretty simplistic.
What do you think the conservative agenda is?
You really believe this?
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You really believe this?
Why wouldn't I? I also believe the conservative agenda as it's written. Don't you? Are you saying that a fringe group may get all the press even if that's not the actual agenda?
Surely not.
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Why wouldn't I? I also believe the conservative agenda as it's written. Don't you? Are you saying that a fringe group may get all the press even if that's not the actual agenda?
Surely not.
Because it's not as simple as Liberal or Republican anymore. I see as breaking down like this.
Democrat = A little left of center but willing to work with Republicans and Conservatives on certain issues like job creation through capitalism, Military, tax reform and the rest of the issues on board
Liberalism = Socialist at the very least with Marxism/Communism a close second. They are the complete polar opposite of what they claim to represent on almost every issue. Will do ANYTHING for power and little to help America or the people unless you think forcing people to rely on Government subsidies and "free" hand outs is actually benefiting them in some way when in reality it makes them lazy with zero to little incentive to get a job or create wealth to at least for God's have some dignity. Throughout History, it's never worked and never will. Not socialism, not Marxism and sure as hell not communism.
Republican - Like the Democrat, is just right of center
Progressive Republican - The fucktards of the GOP borderline liberal as seen during the last administration when they gave into all of Obama's whims and now fighting Trump on damn near every issue.
Conservative - Not very many left. As much as a populist Trump is, he holds (for the most part) conservative values
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Because it's not as simple as Liberal or Republican anymore. I see as breaking down like this.
Democrat = A little left of center but willing to work with Republicans and Conservatives on certain issues like job creation through capitalism, Military, tax reform and the rest of the issues on board
Liberalism = Socialist at the very least with Marxism/Communism a close second. They are the complete polar opposite of what they claim to represent on almost every issue. Will do ANYTHING for power and little to help America or the people unless you think forcing people to rely on Government subsidies and "free" hand outs is actually benefiting them in some way when in reality it makes them lazy with zero to little incentive to get a job or create wealth to at least for God's have some dignity. Throughout History, it's never worked and never will. Not socialism, not Marxism and sure as hell not communism.
Republican - Like the Democrat, is just right of center
Progressive Republican - The fucktards of the GOP borderline liberal as seen during the last administration when they gave into all of Obama's whims and now fighting Trump on damn near every issue.
Conservative - Not very many left. As much as a populist Trump is, he holds (for the most part) conservative values
Can you specify these values?
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Is Mr Trump promoting free markets and laizee faire ideology?
No - Trump is not a conservative at all. He was attacking amazon today. Ridiculous.
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No - Trump is not a conservative at all. He was attacking amazon today. Ridiculous.
Exactly.
Anyone who hired Trump because of his "conservative values" got conned and they need to just fess up.
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Exactly.
Anyone who hired Trump because of his "conservative values" got conned and they need to just fess up.
I call it like I see it.
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The Laissez-Faire ways of thinking, against the shit-ton of trouble in this world, has led to America being gutted and turned to rust. And to overflowing landfills of junk.
So "congratulations" to the greedy and/or careless and/or stupid mothrfckers who allowed for it. This is on YOU.
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The Laissez-Faire ways of thinking, against the shit-ton of trouble in this world, has led to America being gutted and turned to rust. And to overflowing landfills of junk.
So "congratulations" to the greedy and/or careless and/or stupid mothrfckers who allowed for it. This is on YOU.
we have nothing remotely related a free market in naything other than the internet
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Since the election I have been avoiding politics.
I am not fan of Trump. What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.
But this latest thing has been pretty disappointing to me. It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB). I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like, "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."
Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.
Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.
Did he not say something to the effect: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?
Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement. But FFS. ::)
Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?
Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?
I've made it no secret that I don't like Trump, either as a person or even more so as President of the U.S. However, I agree that there was fault on both sides of the Charlottesville demonstration. It's not possible to have a contentious and violent riot with only one perspective in play. It is like having a fist fight with yourself....pretty hard to do.
Intentionally driving one's car into a crowd is nuts. There is no way to excuse this person's actions which does seem like domestic terrorism.
Normally I believe honesty is the best policy. Trump's comments are likely his honest opinion. Unfortunately, any President's comments are held to a different standard. Trump would do himself a huge favor if he'd stick to the script. Every time he's gone off-script, he'd dug himself deeper into a hole. At some point, which may already be the case, he won't be able to crawl out of said hole.
The media is vigilantly looking for anything about Trump that they can make newsworthy...a nugget which will fill the broadcasts until the next one comes along.
If we are to believe the media and the leaks, Trump is losing the support he needs from Congress to get anything accomplished with his promised agenda. In the long run, the unfulfilled campaign promises will ruin him. Even his die-hard base will eventually abandon him.
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I just want them (MSM) to STFU and quit pretending to be a Free Press already. Just come out and admit they have an agenda and maybe we can work forward from there.
What's going on in the media by definition is free press. The media having an agenda or bias is allowable, but not necessarily ethical. Trump likely wants more control of the media, which is the opposite of free press.
free press
noun
1. a body of book publishers, news media, etc., not controlled or restricted by government censorship in political or ideological matters.
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Libfag commies are just as bad as nazis if not worse
Explain....
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Because it's not as simple as Liberal or Republican anymore. I see as breaking down like this.
Democrat = A little left of center but willing to work with Republicans and Conservatives on certain issues like job creation through capitalism, Military, tax reform and the rest of the issues on board
Liberalism = Socialist at the very least with Marxism/Communism a close second. They are the complete polar opposite of what they claim to represent on almost every issue. Will do ANYTHING for power and little to help America or the people unless you think forcing people to rely on Government subsidies and "free" hand outs is actually benefiting them in some way when in reality it makes them lazy with zero to little incentive to get a job or create wealth to at least for God's have some dignity. Throughout History, it's never worked and never will. Not socialism, not Marxism and sure as hell not communism.
Republican - Like the Democrat, is just right of center
Progressive Republican - The fucktards of the GOP borderline liberal as seen during the last administration when they gave into all of Obama's whims and now fighting Trump on damn near every issue.
Conservative - Not very many left. As much as a populist Trump is, he holds (for the most part) conservative values
Thanks for qualifying these definitions as being your opinion. Everyone is allowed an opinion. It's when opinions are stated as facts that things go awry.
Trump's comments speak for themselves. They don't need to be interpreted ad nauseam by the media. This is my opinion, particularly regarding current events.
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What's going on in the media by definition is free press. The media having an agenda or bias is allowable, but not necessarily ethical. Trump likely wants more control of the media, which is the opposite of free press.
free press
noun
1. a body of book publishers, news media, etc., not controlled or restricted by government censorship in political or ideological matters.
...in pursuit of seeking truth, Prime? Is that fair to say, in your judgment?
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we have nothing remotely related a free market in naything other than the internet
What were we pursuing when we turned into a Made-In-China sorta gal? A rusted, crime-ridden, unemployed midwest? County dumps full of refuse?
Exactly WHAT was it that we were after, when everything went to hell?
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What were we pursuing when we turned into a Made-In-China sorta gal? A rusted, crime-ridden, unemployed midwest? County dumps full of refuse?
Exactly WHAT was it that we were after, when everything went to hell?
Maximum corporate profits and cheap goods.
Just remember, no one forced Americans to buy cheap Chinese shit. We did it all on our own.
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Maximum corporate profits and cheap goods.
Just remember, no one forced Americans to buy cheap Chinese shit. We did it all on our own.
Who allowed it to be "cheap" in this country, though? Because, as we know, it certainly is "cheap" in every way, and it absolutely didn't do us any favors to have the floodgates opened with garbage masquerading as products, often made by slaves in prisons.
How were we to compete with that, without becoming slaves ourselves?
No, your first three words say everything.
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And BTW, I don't even know if it's entirely true that corporate profits are automatically maximized by those activities no matter the other circumstances. I remain a firm believer that certain families/clans have wanted to see America destroyed, and a more effective and clandestine way couldn't be found if you searched for a million years. This was it.
Interesting, how it always comes back to the money.
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He is right. And he answered my question about how many people supported this thing: about 500. Think about that for a second. Five hundred racist idiots have caused the entire MSM to be consumed by something that should have been a footnote. Amazing how the MSM manipulates public opinion.
David Horowitz: Charlottesville Is Biggest 'Fake News' Story of Summer
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=2458152b-40cb-498c-b898-f973871a0e15&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
AP
By David Horowitz | Wednesday, 16 Aug 2017
The tragedy in Charlottesville, Virginia, could have been an occasion to stop and consider how the tolerance for politically correct violence and politically correct hatred is leading the nation toward civil war.
Instead, the media and the political left have turned this incident into the biggest fake news story of the summer, transforming its real lessons into a morality play that justifies war against the political right, and against white people generally.
The organizers of the "Unite the Right" demonstration in Charlottesville were repellent racists.
But they came to defend a historic monument honoring a complex man and cause, and not to attack it or, presumably, anyone else.
They applied for a permit and were denied. They re-applied successfully in a petition supported by the local ACLU.
If they had come to precipitate violence, why would they have gone to the tedious trouble of applying for a permit?
Who knows what — if anything — would have happened if that had been the end of the story and no one had showed up to oppose them.
What "Unite the Right" actually demonstrated was that the assortment of neo-Nazis, pro-Confederates, and assorted yahoos gathered under the banner of the "Alt-Right" is actually a negligible group.
This supposed national show of strength actually attracted all of 500 people.
Compare that to the tens of the thousands who can readily be marshaled by two violent groups of the left — Black Lives Matter and Antifa — and you get an idea of how marginal "white supremacists" are to America's political and cultural life.
Yet "white supremacy" and its evils became the centerpiece of all the fake news reporting on the event, including all the ludicrous attacks on the president for not condemning enough a bogeyman the whole nation condemns, and that no one but a risible fringe supports.
Talk about virtue signaling!
Omitted from the media coverage were the other forces at work in precipitating the battle of Emancipation Park, specifically Black Lives Matter and Antifa, two violent left-wing groups with racial agendas who came to squelch the demonstration in defense of the monument.
Unlike the Unite the Right demonstrators, the leftist groups did not apply for permits, which would have been denied since there was another demonstration scheduled for that park on that day.
But why should they have applied for a permit, since the mayhem they had previously caused in Ferguson, Berkeley, Sacramento, Portland, and other cities, was accomplished without permits, while their criminality was presented by the media as "protests," and their rioting went completely unpunished.
In other words, there were two demonstrations in Charlottesville — a legal protest by "Unite the Right" and an illegal protest by the vigilantes of Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
Who started the fight is really immaterial. Both sides were prepared for violence because these conflicts are already a pattern of our deteriorating civic life.
Once the two sides had gathered in the same place, the violence was totally predictable.
Two parties, two culpabilities; but except for the initial statement of President Donald Trump, condemning both sides, only one party has been held accountable, and that happens to be the one that was in the park legally.
What is taking place in the media accounts and political commentaries on this event is an effort by the left to turn the mayhem in Charlottesville into a template for their war against a mythical enemy — "white supremacy" — which is really a war on white people generally.
The ideology that drives the left and divides our country is "identity politics" — the idea that the world consists of two groups — "people of color" who are guiltless and oppressed, and white people who are guilty and oppressors.
This is the real race war.
Its noxious themes inform the mindless, hysterical hatred of President Trump, and the equally mindless support of racist mobs like Black Lives Matter and Antifa.
It is a war from which no good can come. But it won’t be stopped unless enough people have the courage to stand up and name it for what it is.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/charlottesville-virginia-fake-news/2017/08/16/id/808009/
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Interesting thread
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Normally I believe honesty is the best policy. Trump's comments are likely his honest opinion. Unfortunately, any President's comments are held to a different standard. Trump would do himself a huge favor if he'd stick to the script. Every time he's gone off-script, he'd dug himself deeper into a hole. At some point, which may already be the case, he won't be able to crawl out of said hole.
People call for change yet still want their politicians to be liars/vague......Mind boggling. Not you as I am guessing you were happy with how our country was going before but a general statement of those I have seen recently.
Very, very happy with the press conference the other day. Renews some hope each time he does things like that as it shows he has a backbone, etc.
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People call for change yet still want their politicians to be liars/vague......Mind boggling. Not you as I am guessing you were happy with how our country was going before but a general statement of those I have seen recently.
Very, very happy with the press conference the other day. Renews some hope each time he does things like that as it shows he has a backbone, etc.
The only way to deal with liberals and leftists is to say fuck you you're not getting your way.
This is how they'll respond:
(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2362229/85277944.jpg)
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Or they burn something with masks on like they did after the election.
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The only way to deal with liberals and leftists is to say fuck you you're not getting your way.
This is how they'll respond:
(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2362229/85277944.jpg)
Roses are red.
Violets are blue.
Hillary lost.
Boo hoo hoo.
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Or they burn something with masks on like they did after the election.
When there's real police response to one of these events, and the parents of the perps, have to come bail them out, you'll see it stop in a hurry. The previous administration coddled these fuckers.
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When there's real police response to one of these events, and the parents of the perps, have to come bail them out, you'll see it stop in a hurry. The previous administration coddled these fuckers.
You mean when Trump finally has had enough and rolls the Marines into Berkeley during a BAMN/BLM protest.
That fat Mexican, liberal fuck, mayor will shit his panties.
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Here's your white supremacist (liberal morons)
https://www.facebook.com/MarkDice/videos/1601290046583042/
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...in pursuit of seeking truth, Prime? Is that fair to say, in your judgment?
Not sure what you mean. Nothing in my post was based on my opinion or judgment. I should have posted this link to the definition of free press.
Is the media seeking truth? Personally, I doubt it.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/free-press (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/free-press)
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Here's your white supremacist (liberal morons)
https://www.facebook.com/MarkDice/videos/1601290046583042/
I'm glad someone put this together. Tu this is what I was talking about. He disavowed those folks numerous times. Disavowed David Duke 17 years ago.
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I'm glad someone put this together. Tu this is what I was talking about. He disavowed those folks numerous times. Disavowed David Duke 17 years ago.
It doesn't matter. The mainstream media was going to go on with their narrative regardless of how he handled the situation. Nothing he could've said or done would've been enough.
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It doesn't matter. The mainstream media was going to go on with their narrative regardless of how he handled the situation. Nothing he could've said or done would've been enough.
I agree.
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I agree.
Maybe trump could take cues from Obama. Quoting Mandela, Obama's Tweet After Charlottesville Is The Most-Liked Ever
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/16/543882516/obama-s-tweet-after-charlottesville-is-the-most-liked-tweet-ever
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Maybe trump could take cues from Obama. Quoting Mandela, Obama's Tweet After Charlottesville Is The Most-Liked Ever
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/16/543882516/obama-s-tweet-after-charlottesville-is-the-most-liked-tweet-ever
Seriously, who give a shit what he says. He's divided this country with real racism more than any other "president" this country has ever seen. That's a fact
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Maybe trump could take cues from Obama. Quoting Mandela, Obama's Tweet After Charlottesville Is The Most-Liked Ever
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/16/543882516/obama-s-tweet-after-charlottesville-is-the-most-liked-tweet-ever
I wouldn't take any cues from the worst president of my lifetime. I wish he would go away. Eight years running the country into the ground and helping to destabilize the planet is enough.
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Seriously, who give a shit what he says. He's divided this country with real racism more than any other "president" this country has ever seen. That's a fact
Yes. This too.
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I wouldn't take any cues from the worst president of my lifetime. I wish he would go away. Eight years running the country into the ground and helping to destabilize the planet is enough.
Apparently there is a lot of folks who disagree with you.
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Apparently there is a lot of folks who disagree with you.
Obama was a horrible president and his legacy grows worse by the day. After 8 years what exactly did he accomplish other than promoting racial division, a health scam that is imploding, and a terrible Iran deal? The NK issue he ignored. He sunk the democrat party to its lowest level in anyones' lifetime.
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Obama was a horrible president and his legacy grows worse by the day. After 8 years what exactly did he accomplish other than promoting racial division, a health scam that is imploding, and a terrible Iran deal? The NK issue he ignored. He sunk the democrat party to its lowest level in anyones' lifetime.
Obama was actually a blessing in disguise. We had the same thing in New York City with Mayor David Dinkins. That experiment was a miserable failure as well but it gave us Rudy Giuliani and he's the only reason you don't see New York City on this list:
America’s Top Cities for Homicides Are on Track for Historic Rates in 2017
https://www.thetrace.org/2017/07/gun-homicide-rates-baltimore-st-lous-detroit/
Apparently there is a lot of folks who disagree with you.
How do you explain that after eight years of a black president and a black Justice Department that black inner cities have spiraled out of control are currently some of the most violent places on the face of the earth whereas the rest of the country has experienced historically low homicide rates and crime rates?
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Obama was a horrible president and his legacy grows worse by the day. After 8 years what exactly did he accomplish other than promoting racial division, a health scam that is imploding, and a terrible Iran deal? The NK issue he ignored. He sunk the democrat party to its lowest level in anyones' lifetime.
Obamas legacy is the rise of the Republican Party and complete implosion of the Democrat party.
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Obamas legacy is the rise of the Republican Party and complete implosion of the Democrat party.
I don't see this ending well for either party, especially the Dems. The American people aren't that stupid and even my liberal friends are sick of it.
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Evidence is turning up from, of all places, the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as Breitbart and others, that this character, Jason Kessler, who organized the suspicious and supposed Alt-Right demonstration in Charlottesville, Va. that blew up in everyone’s face, is a cunning lefty holdover from the Occupy Wall Street movement and a former Barack Obama supporter. I smell Soros money, sabotage, and Democrat dirty tricks here.
I’ve been suspicious of the nature of the violence at this supposed Alt-Right demonstration since the news first began breaking. It is no secret that radical elements in the Democrat left have been routinely utilizing violence when it suits their purposes. We also know via secret tapings by Project Veritas that the Democratic Party has a semi-official director of dirty ops, Dick Creamer, who hires, trains, and emplaces professional disruptors to encounter, engage, and infiltrate conservative demonstrations to foment violence, assuring that the demonstrations then become the targets of negative media attention – naturally, against the conservative side. Creamer was caught on videotape boasting about his nefarious capabilities when he thought he was in friendly company.
So here we now have another blown supposedly conservative demonstration, where violence erupts and people are killed, and guess who just happens to be a ringleader of the various ultra-right to Alt-Right organizations ranging from KKK and neo-Nazis to the kind of patriotic folks who might go to a Flag Day celebration! Um, that would be our vaporous political will o’ the wisp, Jason Kessler, whose Occupy activities may well have put him in operational cahoots with high-level Democrat operatives. And owing to the leniency of Virginia open carry laws, too many of Jason’s followers just had to parade their personal armories in all their camo combat gear, showing off their minuteman firepower. My first reaction at seeing those clowns strutting down the street like they were in Mosul was, like that of many of my fellow NRA members and military veterans, shaking my fist and yelling at the TV, “No! No! No, you idiots! No!” And that kind of award-winning stupidity makes me wonder if the head planner for the event, Jason Soros…er, Kessler, didn’t have that firepower demonstration all lined up and ready to go precisely to make those right-wing tools look just like the fools they were being, while scaring the bejeezus out of the lefties, blacks, and MSM twerps.
There’s still not enough evidence on the actual violence, other than the schizophrenic kid who ran over the woman, to make any kind of assessment as to who did what in the confrontations between the right-wing demonstrators and the surprisingly strong counter-demonstration. I have to wonder if this Kessler fellow, strong Barack Obama-supporter that he is, had a hand in making sure his Alt-Right marchers were clearly guaranteed to encounter a strong crowd of riled up counter-protesters as well. The reporting of Kessler’s background, as well as that of Charlottesville mayor and Democrat activist Mike Signer and Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy, has convinced me that Charlottesville was a Democratic Party black operation, planned, organized, and carried out to its successful conclusion, to make the media portray all these conservative whites as stupid, racist, and violent. I believe that it was done by this soulless young man, who succeeded in selling himself to the dumb-bunny right-wingers as one of them
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Not sure what you mean. Nothing in my post was based on my opinion or judgment. I should have posted this link to the definition of free press.
Is the media seeking truth? Personally, I doubt it.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/free-press (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/free-press)
Why we should want a free press, is what. What's the reasoning behind that, I ask.
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Why we should want a free press, is what. What's the reasoning behind that, I ask.
I have the feeling you don't get what 'free press' means. Russia, North Korea and other countries under dictatorships/government rule do not have free press. The press is controlled by their governments/leadership. In the U.S. and other democratic and socialist countries there is free press, our governments do not control the press.
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I have the feeling you don't get what 'free press' means. Russia, North Korea and other countries under dictatorships/government rule do not have free press. The press is controlled by their governments/leadership. In the U.S. and other democratic and socialist countries there is free press, our governments do not control the press.
Why's this so important, is what I ask.
What's the threat or the problem, otherwise?
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When we (purport, at least, to) insist on a free press... WHAT trouble are we attempting to avoid? That's what I want to know.
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When we (purport, at least, to) insist on a free press... WHAT trouble are we attempting to avoid? That's what I want to know.
It seems to me we are attempting to avoid the news being filtered by the government. Regardless of whether one is a conservative or liberal, we should be in agreement here.
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It seems to me we are attempting to avoid the news being filtered by the government. Regardless of whether one is a conservative or liberal, we should be in agreement here.
Help me out, here, Prime. What's the threat?
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Prime, is it fair to say we want to avoid being deliberately misled?
Meaning that we want to attempt to seek truth, from/by which we can make our decisions. Does that sound about right?
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Prime, is it fair to say we want to avoid being deliberately misled?
Meaning that we want to attempt to seek truth, from/by which we can make our decisions. Does that sound about right?
Sounds good. Free press helps ensure this remains possible. What's left is wading through the bullshit all media puts out in pursuit of that almighty dollar. I see no way of changing this.
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I'm glad someone put this together. Tu this is what I was talking about. He disavowed those folks numerous times. Disavowed David Duke 17 years ago.
he said he never heard of david duke...2 years ago....
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he said he never heard of david duke...2 years ago....
Ok? In what context? He disavowed David Duke about 20 times during the election.
Do you think Trump is a white supremacist and/or KKK sympathizer?
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Na. But KKK loves trump and he plays that like no other republican before. Ronald regan says "we don't want your votes". Bob dole said "we don't want your votes" trump said " there were some fine people on both sides"
"Nazis had permits"
He panders to them. Now you're gonna say he doesn't but you and I know he does.
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Na. But KKK loves trump and he plays that like no other republican before. Ronald regan says "we don't want your votes". Bob dole said "we don't want your votes" trump said " there were some fine people on both sides"
"Nazis had permits"
He panders to them. Now you're gonna say he doesn't but you and I know he does.
Oh for Gods sake will you stop. Seriously, this entire narrative is just fucking stupid and you damn well know it. So guess if he took the words from Reagan and/or Dole you'd just accuse him of plagiarism anyway.
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Ok? In what context? He disavowed David Duke about 20 times during the election.
Do you think Trump is a white supremacist and/or KKK sympathizer?
Of course not. Trump got out of the Nationalist party in 2005 because he said he couldn't be in an organization with the likes of David Duke, that was in a TV interview in 2005.
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Na. But KKK loves trump and he plays that like no other republican before. Ronald regan says "we don't want your votes". Bob dole said "we don't want your votes" trump said " there were some fine people on both sides"
"Nazis had permits"
He panders to them. Now you're gonna say he doesn't but you and I know he does.
Panders? You mean by disavowing them and calling them evil in public? By going into the hood in black churches during the campaign and soliciting their vote? And meeting with black folks after the election to try and figure out how to help black communities? And then condemning the KKK et al. after Charlottesville? He's doing a pretty lousy job of a pandering to the KKK.
And yes, there is blame on all sides for violence. He was right. Those protesters came clad in riot gear. They had bags filled with urine and feces. They had pepper spray. They were paid to be there.
And how do you know know every single one of the people in the "KKK" group were a part of them? You don't think it's possible some of them were not racists?
That said, I do think Trump could have handled his comments better.
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Of course not. Trump got out of the Nationalist party in 2005 because he said he couldn't be in an organization with the likes of David Duke, that was in a TV interview in 2005.
I know.
What I also know about bigots is they cannot hide it forever. It always manifests itself. Think about this: we are seeing the restrained version of Trump in office, and he still has stream of conscientiousness tweets where he melts down like a little kid. Because he has always been the boss of everybody before becoming president, how much more did he freely let loose with whatever he was thinking in the private sector? Point being if he was a racist, he would have likely used racial epithets over the past 50 years. He doesn't have enough self control not to do so.
We saw that with Donald Sterling (former owner of the Clippers). You can bet dollars to donuts that if there was credible evidence of Trump being a racist the MSM would have been all over it.
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Sounds good. Free press helps ensure this remains possible. What's left is wading through the bullshit all media puts out in pursuit of that almighty dollar. I see no way of changing this.
Are you saying it requires bullshit to make money as an information source, Prime? Who told you that, or how did you arrive at that conclusion?
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Are you saying it requires bullshit to make money as an information source, Prime? Who told you that, or how did you arrive at that conclusion?
Look, the media reports 24/7. When you hear the same stories repeated an untold number of times, it all starts to become bullshit, as in saying, "Not this bullshit again!"
As far as I can understand, the only media not making much money right now is print media. The same story written by the same reporter is published in various newspapers across the county at the same time. Repetition is bullshit to me.
All this repetitive bullshit rakes in the big bucks from all those who sponsor it and those of us who buy the sponsors' products.
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Look, the media reports 24/7. When you hear the same stories repeated an untold number of times, it all starts to become bullshit, as in saying, "Not this bullshit again!"
As far as I can understand, the only media not making much money right now is print media. The same story written by the same reporter is published in various newspapers across the county at the same time. Repetition is bullshit to me.
All this repetitive bullshit rakes in the big bucks from all those who sponsor it and those of us who buy the sponsors' products.
Do you think it's by design? Or do you think it's just a happy accident for the corporations, that it performs so well as an echo chamber?
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Pushing a agenda of less then 1% of white population.(new nazis, white trash)..over and over and over..we all know white people always do charities and are open about their generosity..yet msm labels them as racists"..sit back down boy and shut up"..yet no other races contribute to charity or generosity? ..we always help out..yet we are attacked? Things that you go hmmmm
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Neo this is the red pill to know the truth and there is the blue pill to live your normal life...i wish I didn't take the red pill..
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It's all a sham to blame white racism on the fact that a large part of the Democratic Party base is dysfunctional and incompatible with modern society:
The irony is that liberals actually believe their own bullshit. They really thought that the state of black inner cities was the result of racist white cops. Meanwhile, the cops have stood back and this is the result:
Two men in their 70s among seven shot in Chicago - Chicago Tribune
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct--chicago-shootings-violence-20170824-story,amp.html