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http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/14/left-wing-agitators-call-for-escalated-tactics-in-response-to-charlottesville/
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I'm not the least bit surprised they would use this tactic .
Sadly this counter attack philosophy is just as ignorant as Nazi or KKK racist ideology.
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Considering trump again decided to double down on the false narrative that the anti protestors are as dangerous as the Nazis and White supremecist groups I'm not shocked.
I laugh knowing that the Nazis wouldnt accept Coach, who seems to be trying to protect them, while the "leftists" would protect him and his right to be equal.
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Considering trump again decided to double down on the false narrative that the anti protestors are as dangerous as the Nazis and White supremecist groups I'm not shocked.
I laugh knowing that the Nazis wouldnt accept Coach, who seems to be trying to protect them, while the "leftists" would protect him and his right to be equal.
Yes, I'm protecting nazis. Brilliant deduction. Because the media, the left and seemingly you like to think bullshit narratives that keep news cycles going day in and day out are much more important than trying to avoid events like.....a nuclear war.
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Yes, I'm protecting nazis. Brilliant deduction. Because the media, the left and seemingly you like to think bullshit narratives that keep news cycles going day in and day out are much more important than trying to avoid events like.....a nuclear war.
Your statements not mine.
You are making an equivalence of anti fascist groups to Nazis. I'm not making it. You did.
People of average intelligence can focus on more than one topic. Comparing the foreign policy issues with domestic policy issues is a false equivalence on its own.
They are entirely separate and you trying to connect them is ridiculous.
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Your statements not mine.
You are making an equivalence of anti fascist groups to Nazis. I'm not making it. You did.
People of average intelligence can focus on more than one topic. Comparing the foreign policy issues with domestic policy issues is a false equivalence on its own.
They are entirely separate and you trying to connect them is ridiculous.
Theyre not anti fascist, because they are fascist. Suppressing free speech is not a liberal point of view or action.
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Theyre not anti fascist, because they are fascist. Suppressing free speech is not a liberal point of view or action.
You're comparing people who hate others for their ethnic background to those who hate people for thinking that way.
I don't see the similarities. Maybe you do.
We will just disagree on this.
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Considering trump again decided to double down on the false narrative that the anti protestors are as dangerous as the Nazis and White supremecist groups I'm not shocked.
I laugh knowing that the Nazis wouldnt accept Coach, who seems to be trying to protect them, while the "leftists" would protect him and his right to be equal.
The false narrative is being promoted by the fake media. That if you protect somebody's right to free speech therefore you agree with that person's point of view.
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The false narrative is being promoted by the fake media. That if you protect somebody's right to free speech therefore you agree with that person's point of view.
I don't care about "the media".
I support their ability to peaceably assemble as I would anyone else. That said, you get angry Nazis and White supremecist groups out, you must expect angry anti groups to come protest alternatively.
You expect something is going to break loose.
As I've said before. We fought a war against Nazis. The US had a civil war and one side lost.
Why do people revere the losing side with statues? It's like putting a statue up of King Georfe after the revolution or a statue of Hitler or Goebbels up after WW2.
Maybe emperor Hirohito should have a statue up somewhere. Or that Mussolini fellow.
The whole thing is silly to me. Heritage they say. How can you be pro US and pro Confederacy at the same time?
How can you shoot USA when you are holding a nazi flag? Literally fought wars over this shit.
That's a tangent. I apologize. Just the whole thing is silly to me.
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I don't care about "the media".
I support their ability to peaceably assemble as I would anyone else. That said, you get angry Nazis and White supremecist groups out, you must expect angry anti groups to come protest alternatively.
You expect something is going to break loose.
As I've said before. We fought a war against Nazis. The US had a civil war and one side lost.
Why do people revere the losing side with statues? It's like putting a statue up of King Georfe after the revolution or a statue of Hitler or Goebbels up after WW2.
Maybe emperor Hirohito should have a statue up somewhere. Or that Mussolini fellow.
The whole thing is silly to me. Heritage they say. How can you be pro US and pro Confederacy at the same time?
How can you shoot USA when you are holding a nazi flag? Literally fought wars over this shit.
That's a tangent. I apologize. Just the whole thing is silly to me.
Well, some of us aren't playing make-believe and pretending that the media wasn't in the bag for Hillary and that they hate Trump and were going to criticize him no matter what he did. You'd think he organized that protest.
It's silly because they are a radical fringe group of a couple hundred people. That said, they had a permit. The counter protesters didn't. The only reason that things went down is because the cops there weren't prepared for that type of protest. We have bigger protests in New York City on a regular basis involving groups that hate each other and nothing goes down.
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Who determines what terms aren't "made up"?
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From Ace of Spades Blog....I don't know the original author of the piece they took it from:
After the political failure of Obama, the collapse of Hillary, the cannibalism visited on Bernie and his followers, it's apparent that the American left is a spent force, and this kind of political kabuki is all that remains for them.
Clearly, the left has failed in the U.S., as they have everywhere else. Their plans have proved empty, their carefully structured systems have ossified to the point of paralysis, their pleas and promises are mere repetitions of rhetoric that was old in the 1930s. They have nothing to offer except violence, hatred, and eventual extinction. But they can still do a lot of damage as they go down the chute, keeping in mind that their descent may involve a process lasting decades.
They seem to be aware of this, and eager to carry out as much havoc as is humanly possible. This is very likely the plan for November 4th.
Unless something changes, we can look forward, at the very least, to mobs in the streets, assaults by black-clad masked goons, shops destroyed, cars overturned and set ablaze, everything that we've seen recently in Berkeley, Ferguson, and Baltimore. Supported as it is by the media, academic, and entertainment spheres, and with the people supposedly "in power" showing no awareness that any of the sort is happening (can anyone picture Ryan or McConnell actually responding to this?), it will continue until an end is put to it - very likely by a jaw-dropping episode of violence.
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A fellow Conservative Facebook friend posted a meme that said something to the effect of: Our side has eight million bullets, and the other side doesn't even know what gender they are. Who's gonna win?
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So TuHolmes doesn't seem to think that bike locks, etc. can kill people and accused coach of defending Nazi's (which he has never done) then goes on to defend a violent/hate filled group in Antifa, etc. Makes perfect sense. The proper response is that there is no defense for either crazy side. No excuses for either side.
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They then need to grab Soros...confiscate his assets, deport or lock him up.
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So TuHolmes doesn't seem to think that bike locks, etc. can kill people and accused coach of defending Nazi's (which he has never done) then goes on to defend a violent/hate filled group in Antifa, etc. Makes perfect sense. The proper response is that there is no defense for either crazy side. No excuses for either side.
1/2 of this post is ridiculously absurd.
I haven't defended anyone. I've simply said that one is historically much more violent than the other. That's a fact.
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1/2 of this post is ridiculously absurd.
I haven't defended anyone. I've simply said that one is historically much more violent than the other. That's a fact.
Of course, the blacks on the left are born and culturally enriched to be more violent.
So far the snowflake left is alienating the military, the police, white American, far-right America, blacks, and Mexicans and they want to go forward against that with violent public protests?
You need to stop getting high and posting. It makes you come across as dumb.
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Of course, the blacks on the left are born and culturally enriched to be more violent.
So far the snowflake left is alienating the military, the police, white American, far-right America, blacks, and Mexicans and they want to go forward against that with violent public protests?
You need to stop getting high and posting. It makes you come across as dumb.
Nazi's and the KKK as groups are much more historically violent as a hate group than antifa or whatever they want to call themselves. You knew what I meant, but chose to call it out based on race, which of course had nothing to do with the conversation.
The only thing I defended was everyone's right to peacefully assemble. Nothing more.
What I stated was when you get groups like that together, the shit is gonna fly.
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All this nonsense has turned me away from politics and most forms of media this week.
I don't want to be angry at the same stupid shit that the MSM revels in
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Nazi's and the KKK as groups are much more historically violent as a hate group than antifa or whatever they want to call themselves. You knew what I meant, but chose to call it out based on race, which of course had nothing to do with the conversation.
The only thing I defended was everyone's right to peacefully assemble. Nothing more.
What I stated was when you get groups like that together, the shit is gonna fly.
Yes and its the 21st century...these new leftist groups are funded by a billionaire bent on the destruction of the West...the KKK is pretty much a joke. The cops fucked up and the lefty mayor dep mayor and gov are responsible for this crap.
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Yes and its the 21st century...these new leftist groups are funded by a billionaire bent on the destruction of the West...the KKK is pretty much a joke. The cops fucked up and the lefty mayor dep mayor and gov are responsible for this crap.
They were the ones destroying stuff on the ground. ::)
Remember when people blamed Trump for violence because he said hit someone, but he didn't actually hit anyone? This is you doing the same thing.
Keep that in mind.
Man, some you guys will find any way to use the term "leftist" and blame them for anything. Personal responsibility used to be a conservative value. What the fuck happened?
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For what....the damn cops and NG were stood down instead of doing their job. None of this should have happened....kinda like somebody wanted it to happen.
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For what....the damn cops and NG were stood down instead of doing their job. None of this should have happened....kinda like somebody wanted it to happen.
No one wanted this to happen dude. NO ONE.
That is some conspiracy shit you're preaching now.
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OH you don't think Soros wants this shit to happen....his entire life is built on bringing down our institutions. He's made billions and gives away millions to these groups. Who buses these people in...arms and organizes them? What will happen is one of these big things will get fully out of control. The right wing folks will eventually use their weapons on these idiots and the cops will fire on the alt right guys...cops will get killed...innocents will get killed...the shitbags in Congress will call for gun control and trumps ass.....it will spiral out of control. In the end you libs will either be in full control or dead....thats what George Soros wants.
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OH you don't think Soros wants this shit to happen....his entire life is built on bringing down our institutions. He's made billions and gives away millions to these groups. Who buses these people in...arms and organizes them? What will happen is one of these big things will get fully out of control. The right wing folks will eventually use their weapons on these idiots and the cops will fire on the alt right guys...cops will get killed...innocents will get killed...the shitbags in Congress will call for gun control and trumps ass.....it will spiral out of control. In the end you libs will either be in full control or dead....thats what George Soros wants.
"You libs".
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
You know you can be a conservative who doesn't support Nazi's (Actual Socialists... NATIONAL SOCIALISTS (Nationalsozialistische) ) and White supremacists.
You're better than that. At least I thought you were. :-\
Small minded people try to put people in very tiny boxes though I guess.
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Nazi's and the KKK as groups are much more historically violent as a hate group than antifa or whatever they want to call themselves. You knew what I meant, but chose to call it out based on race, which of course had nothing to do with the conversation.
The only thing I defended was everyone's right to peacefully assemble. Nothing more.
What I stated was when you get groups like that together, the shit is gonna fly.
These groups are a joke, a relic of the past. Whenever they protest almost invariably more media and counter protesters show up than actual protesters. As it stands now, white men have never been more peaceful in the history of this country. Conversely, African-American men are currently the most violent people on the face of the earth.
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These groups are a joke, a relic of the past. Whenever they protest almost invariably more media and counter protesters show up than actual protesters. As it stands now, white men have never been more peaceful in the history of this country. Conversely, African-American men are currently the most violent people on the face of the earth.
Do you think they are more violent than those in SouthWest Asia?
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No one wanted this to happen dude. NO ONE.
That is some conspiracy shit you're preaching now.
I happen to agree with you on this one. They just weren't experienced with handling that type of protest in that area.
"Don't attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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Do you think they are more violent than those in SouthWest Asia?
Black inner cities pound for pound are the most violent places on the face of the earth including war zones.
You might find a tiny exception in the third world but you won't find it in the first world.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nolacrimenews.com/2016/06/14/the-demographics-of-murder-in-new-orleans/amp/
The murder rate in New Orleans in 2015 was just about 40 per 100,000 residents. The national rate in 2014, the last year for which data is available, was 4.5 murders per 100,000 residents. Caracas, Venezuela is the murder capital of the world according to Wikipedia with a murder rate of 119.87 murders per 100,000 people. For segments of the African American community in New Orleans it is two to three times that bad.
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I happen to agree with you on this one. They just weren't experienced with handling that type of protest in that area.
"Don't attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by incompetence."
Exactly.
Black inner cities pound for pound are most violent places on the face of the earth including war zones.
You might find a tiny exception in the third world but you won't find it in the first world.
That is possible. Now the question is "why"? You will attribute it to simply race, but is it really that simple? Maybe poverty coupled with a large population in a small space?
I agree that from a general violence standpoint that poverty stricken white people are not committing those acts of violence, but then there is no one around.
We could then look at heinous crime as a whole, but then that's a completely separate discussion.
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Exactly.
That is possible. Now the question is "why"? You will attribute it to simply race, but is it really that simple? Maybe poverty coupled with a large population in a small space?
I agree that from a general violence standpoint that poverty stricken white people are not committing those acts of violence, but then there is no one around.
We could then look at heinous crime as a whole, but then that's a completely separate discussion.
Poverty rates have gone down. Try again.
BLM and company blamed the cops. The cops pulled out and things got worse. It's the culture.
The days for lame excuses are over. It's 2017. You had eight years of an African-American president and an African-American Justice Department and shit is worse than ever.
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"You libs".
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
You know you can be a conservative who doesn't support Nazi's (Actual Socialists... NATIONAL SOCIALISTS (Nationalsozialistische) ) and White supremacists.
You're better than that. At least I thought you were. :-\
Small minded people try to put people in very tiny boxes though I guess.
These guys are a joke.. but they are armed and have been waiting for this crap for years. The thing is the groups they are physically fighting don't represent America either....BLM and ANTIFA are fraud socialist groups and the real fascists. Its very easy when the KKK gets into a shoot out with cops or the FBI who to back....very hard to see a difference when they're fighting Soros's backed thugs.
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Poverty rates have gone down. Try again.
BLM and company blamed the cops. The cops pulled out and things got worse. It's the culture.
The days for lame excuses are over. It's 2017. You had eight years of an African-American president and an African-American Justice Department and shit is worse than ever.
I will disagree that shit is worse. Nothing is worse than the 80s when it comes to inner city violence and crime. That's just a statistical fact. As a matter of fact, looking at trends, outside of a couple of places, crime as a whole is down across the board. Everywhere.
You are incorrect about poverty rates though. The most recent data I can find has poverty up by 2.5 percent in 2015 compared to 1990. (Has it dropped in 2 years? Doubtful, but if you find the information, I'll be happy to look at it.) Also, for full disclosure, it was much higher from 2009 to 2014.
Now it's not a huge difference, but I honestly can't tell you what 2.5 percent difference in poverty over 25 years equates to in terms of social-economic impact. I haven't done the research and to be completely fair, I'm not going to as it's not my forte.
I will also have to ask when the trend of violence started and how is it actually trending over the past 6 - 8 years everywhere, not just Chicago itself.
Someone brought up NY, but I haven't seen a problem there myself, nor in Los Angeles.
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These guys are a joke.. but they are armed and have been waiting for this crap for years. The thing is the groups they are physically fighting don't represent America either....BLM and ANTIFA are fraud socialist groups and the real fascists. Its very easy when the KKK gets into a shoot out with cops or the FBI who to back....very hard to see a difference when they're fighting Soros's backed thugs.
Sure they are joke, but you will have to show me what makes them fascists. Your definition of the term may help me understand what is fascist about them in general. I have found that actually defining fascism is quite complex.
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Sure they are joke, but you will have to show me what makes them fascists. Your definition of the term may help me understand what is fascist about them in general. I have found that actually defining fascism is quite complex.
Plenty of examples in this thread:
A number of liberals have been using violence to try and silence opposition. A recent example is the violence in Berkeley, which is "forcible suppression of opposition" (part of the definition of fascism).
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=625779.0
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Plenty of examples in this thread:
A number of liberals have been using violence to try and silence opposition. A recent example is the violence in Berkeley, which is "forcible suppression of opposition" (part of the definition of fascism).
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=625779.0
So as I said, this is more complicated than a getbig thread most likely.
I know people hate wikipedia, but unless I go downstairs and pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and copy the pages on fascism, this is what you get.
It's a massive read, which is fine, but even the definitions that experts and scholars, not just people from today for you anti knowledge types.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
I mean, it seems pretty damn complex and I don't know if any one side "left or right" as some people like to portray it, can own or completely disavow it in certain contexts.
For the most part, that's why I am forced to use history and what I know certain groups to do, say, or act upon.
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So as I said, this is more complicated than a getbig thread most likely.
I know people hate wikipedia, but unless I go downstairs and pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and copy the pages on fascism, this is what you get.
It's a massive read, which is fine, but even the definitions that experts and scholars, not just people from today for you anti knowledge types.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
I mean, it seems pretty damn complex and I don't know if any one side "left or right" as some people like to portray it, can own or completely disavow it in certain contexts.
For the most part, that's why I am forced to use history and what I know certain groups to do, say, or act upon.
Why not just use the dictionary?
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
What some liberals are doing falls squarely within that definition. That includes trying to convince the Electoral College not to elect Trump after the November election, vandalism, threats, violence (including murder) directed at people with opposing political views.
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I happen to agree with you on this one. They just weren't experienced with handling that type of protest in that area.
"Don't attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by incompetence."
But what to do when evil hides itself this way, is the question.
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Why not just use the dictionary?
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
What some liberals are doing falls squarely within that definition. That includes trying to convince the Electoral College not to elect Trump after the November election, vandalism, threats, violence (including murder) directed at people with opposing political views.
Because it's oversimplification.
I mean, let's be real here. There is no dictatorial leader, they certainly are not exalting the nation above all other, nor the race.
You are highlighting one piece, but surely you can highlight other pieces.
exalts nation and often race above the individual - That's not the liberals here.
That's why I'm saying it's more complex than what the dictionary definition is. If we go by that, then both sides are fascists and at the same time, neither side is.
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Sure they are joke, but you will have to show me what makes them fascists. Your definition of the term may help me understand what is fascist about them in general. I have found that actually defining fascism is quite complex.
You really are trolling hard as of late - what happened to you man!
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You really are trolling hard as of late - what happened to you man!
I swear I'm not. I'm just trying to understand where everyone else is coming from. I'm really not.
I am asking for genuine inquiry and understanding. I don't troll on the politics board. Well, I try not to.
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If an individual decided to physically attack someone for, say, holding a sign... could that be considered an act done in the "spirit" of fascism?
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If an individual decided to physically attack someone for, say, holding a sign... could that be considered an act done in the "spirit" of fascism?
Good question.
At some point does the pendulum swing from fascist to just nutjob?
Where is that point? Is it a group of nut jobs? It seems that we all like to put people into groups that let us easily say "That is [isn't]me."
We as humans are good at that.
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Good question.
At some point does the pendulum swing from fascist to just nutjob?
Where is that point? Is it a group of nut jobs? It seems that we all like to put people into groups that let us easily say "That is [isn't]me."
We as humans are good at that.
Yes, the attacker may be a nutjob. But whether that nutjob is acting as a fascist, is the question.
With the result being the same, I'd have to say yes. The nutjob took offense and chose to attack. How else can we call it?
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Yes, the attacker may be a nutjob. But whether that nutjob is acting as a fascist, is the question.
With the result being the same, I'd have to say yes. The nutjob took offense and chose to attack. How else can we call it?
I honestly don't know. I am perfectly fine with that definition myself.
Some nutjobs are fascists, but all fascists aren't nutjobs?
Is everyone in antifa and BLM a nutjob too?
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I honestly don't know. I am perfectly fine with that definition myself.
Some nutjobs are fascists, but all fascists aren't nutjobs?
Is everyone in antifa and BLM a nutjob too?
Anyone who would attack someone for holding a sign is something very bad, no matter what we call them.
Personally, I've no problem identifying it as a fascist move. It fits the definition.
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Anyone who would attack someone for holding a sign is something very bad, no matter what we call them.
Personally, I've no problem identifying it as a fascist move. It fits the definition.
So what we are saying is that the people with signs were fascists. The people against those signs were fascists. Everyone standing everywhere in Charlottesville were just a bunch of fascists.
Why did all of the fascists decide to show up that day?
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So what we are saying is that the people with signs were fascists. The people against those signs were fascists. Everyone standing everywhere in Charlottesville were just a bunch of fascists.
Why did all of the fascists decide to show up that day?
Lol, that's funny. Yeah, it may be true. But if someone wants to hold a sign then let them hold a sign. Who am I (or you, or anyone) to stop them?
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Lol, that's funny. Yeah, it may be true. But if someone wants to hold a sign then let them hold a sign. Who am I (or you, or anyone) to stop them?
I don't disagree. I've said that everyone has the right to hold their signs and believe what they want to believe. I'm surely not stopping anyone from doing anything.
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I don't disagree. I've said that everyone has the right to hold their signs and believe what they want to believe. I'm surely not stopping anyone from doing anything.
Yes, Tu. I'll admit that IMO you don't seem the type to do that.
And I'd bet most of the ones who were doing that, couldn't get on a message board to discuss something if their life depended on it. They wouldn't know the first thing about it and probably wouldn't care.
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Yes, Tu. I'll admit that IMO you don't seem the type to do that.
And I'd bet most of the ones who were doing that, couldn't get on a message board to discuss something if their life depended on it. They wouldn't know the first thing about it and probably wouldn't care.
That's probably true.
Now I have to ask then, on a slightly tangential subject, if a city council or government, decides to remove something like a statue of a confederate general due to stigma, is that within their right as well?
Who makes the determination that it's ok to do so? Where does that come up? Is it something that should be voted on? Where does the ultimate decision stem from? Who can make it?
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That's probably true.
Now I have to ask then, on a slightly tangential subject, if a city council or government, decides to remove something like a statue of a confederate general due to stigma, is that within their right as well?
Who makes the determination that it's ok to do so? Where does that come up? Is it something that should be voted on? Where does the ultimate decision stem from? Who can make it?
I hate to admit, but the whole riot thing caught me by surprise and I'd only learned a couple days ago about the alleged origins of it.
Not sure whose land it was on (the statue) but I hope there was notice given about the plan, and a place and time given for concerned citizens to express themselves about it. And in cases like that, the individuals pressing for something like a statue-removal should be made to get up and state the case like everyone else. Don't hide behind "it's a city government decision" or it's a "recreation dept decision" or some bullshit like that.
Obviously, someone or someones had strong feelings about it, so let those individuals tell the public about their reasoning, and let them be challenged on it in full view.
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Because it's oversimplification.
I mean, let's be real here. There is no dictatorial leader, they certainly are not exalting the nation above all other, nor the race.
You are highlighting one piece, but surely you can highlight other pieces.
exalts nation and often race above the individual - That's not the liberals here.
That's why I'm saying it's more complex than what the dictionary definition is. If we go by that, then both sides are fascists and at the same time, neither side is.
It might be an oversimplification, but I previously looked at the wiki page you referenced and that is overly complicated.
My overall point in creating the thread was to highlight how liberals use threats, intimidation, and violence to silence opposing viewpoints. I don't have a problem calling that fascism.
The concern I have on the heels of this Charlottesville matter is the only person talking about the left's violence is Trump, and he's being vilified for it. The end result will probably be emboldening these people to not only continue their tactics, but escalate them.
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I hate to admit, but the whole riot thing caught me by surprise and I'd only learned a couple days ago about the alleged origins of it.
Not sure whose land it was on (the statue) but I hope there was notice given about the plan, and a place and time given for concerned citizens to express themselves about it. And in cases like that, the individuals pressing for something like a statue-removal should be made to get up and state the case like everyone else. Don't hide behind "it's a city government decision" or it's a "recreation dept decision" or some bullshit like that.
Obviously, someone or someones had strong feelings about it, so let those individuals tell the public about their reasoning, and let them be challenged on it in full view.
True points on all fronts.
I still find it odd that we would have statues of people who fought against the USA in the USA itself. Just seems weird to me.
It's not like we have statues of Hitler, Hirohito, or Santa Anna hanging around do we?
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True points on all fronts.
I still find it odd that we would have statues of people who fought against the USA in the USA itself. Just seems weird to me.
It's not like we have statues of Hitler, Hirohito, or Santa Anna hanging around do we?
You probably know more about the CW than I do (no doubt about that), so what makes you say this? Is it conceivable that the South could make the same claim against the North, as far as which of them was fighting for the rightful meaning of this nation?
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You probably know more about the CW than I do (no doubt about that), so what makes you say this? Is it conceivable that the South could make the same claim against the North, as far as which of them was fighting for the rightful meaning of this nation?
The southern states (at the time, because today, no southern state really can say they are all for states rights in the same capacity or they will give back their welfare money and their military budgets) will surely and rightfully have a point in saying that they were the ones who valued the constitution, and to be completely fair, they would have a valid point, however, they couldn't fight the machine that was the north in the long run and they lost.
That's how it goes right?
Victors write history. It's not fair, but it is what happens.
We can split out right vs. wrong or cause vs. effect, but ultimately, it's about winner vs. loser.
The CSA happened to lose, and with that, they are forced to submit to the will of the USA as the victor.
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It might be an oversimplification, but I previously looked at the wiki page you referenced and that is overly complicated.
My overall point in creating the thread was to highlight how liberals use threats, intimidation, and violence to silence opposing viewpoints. I don't have a problem calling that fascism.
The concern I have on the heels of this Charlottesville matter is the only person talking about the left's violence is Trump, and he's being vilified for it. The end result will probably be emboldening these people to not only continue their tactics, but escalate them.
Oh, no question about it. Absolutely it is going to do that. It will ramp up with an all-new sense of "justification" brought on by the "logical" assessments of MSM.
I'm telling you, this thing has become dangerous. Trump needs to fix this Lie Machine and its broken muffler as a top priority, or he might as well hang it up now. One way or another, he is absolutely NOT credible unless he fixes it. And he deserves all the bad things coming his way as a result of leaving it unfixed.
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It might be an oversimplification, but I previously looked at the wiki page you referenced and that is overly complicated.
My overall point in creating the thread was to highlight how liberals use threats, intimidation, and violence to silence opposing viewpoints. I don't have a problem calling that fascism.
The concern I have on the heels of this Charlottesville matter is the only person talking about the left's violence is Trump, and he's being vilified for it. The end result will probably be emboldening these people to not only continue their tactics, but escalate them.
It is complicated. That's the point I'm making I guess.
There are obvious parts of both the left and the right that appear to be fascist. The KKK and Nazis have for many years used threats, intimidation, and violence to silence opposing viewpoints as well.
I'm not disagreeing that two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, using any of those things is bad and are traits of fascism, but neither side holds the reigns of doing them and neither side is perfectly fascist at this point.
It is a complicated issue that I don't think is accurately depicted in a few sentences.
Hell, I can find things like the political spectrum for information and there is crap all over the place.
Ultimately, I don't understand how hard it is to treat everyone with dignity and equality across the board. My brain just doesn't get it.
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The southern states (at the time, because today, no southern state really can say they are all for states rights in the same capacity or they will give back their welfare money and their military budgets) will surely and rightfully have a point in saying that they were the ones who valued the constitution, and to be completely fair, they would have a valid point, however, they couldn't fight the machine that was the north in the long run and they lost.
That's how it goes right?
Victors write history. It's not fair, but it is what happens.
We can split out right vs. wrong or cause vs. effect, but ultimately, it's about winner vs. loser.
The CSA happened to lose, and with that, they are forced to submit to the will of the USA as the victor.
But isn't this a good reason people might give, for appreciating and respecting that statue? And no one can deny our history.
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Oh, no question about it. Absolutely it is going to do that. It will ramp up with an all-new sense of "justification" brought on by the "logical" assessments of MSM.
I'm telling you, this thing has become dangerous. Trump needs to fix this Lie Machine and its broken muffler as a top priority, or he might as well hang it up now. One way or another, he is absolutely NOT credible unless he fixes it. And he deserves all the bad things coming his way as a result of leaving it unfixed.
I agree, although I'm not sure Trump can fix this. But I do give him credit for taking on the establishment and punching them in the mouth.
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But isn't this a good reason people might give, for appreciating and respecting that statue? And no one can deny our history.
Not when you lose the war to be honest.
How can you revere a statue on one side that depicts a treasonous act (according to the US) and then on the other side call yourself a lover of the US and hold a US flag?
I just found this btw. This is a timeline depiction of exactly when confederate statues were erected.
Things are a lot different now in the US and the world at large.
(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170816135714-gfx-monuments-over-time-splc.jpg)
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It is complicated. That's the point I'm making I guess.
There are obvious parts of both the left and the right that appear to be fascist. The KKK and Nazis have for many years used threats, intimidation, and violence to silence opposing viewpoints as well.
I'm not disagreeing that two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, using any of those things is bad and are traits of fascism, but neither side holds the reigns of doing them and neither side is perfectly fascist at this point.
It is a complicated issue that I don't think is accurately depicted in a few sentences.
Hell, I can find things like the political spectrum for information and there is crap all over the place.
Ultimately, I don't understand how hard it is to treat everyone with dignity and equality across the board. My brain just doesn't get it.
People often say both sides are bad. I've said that a number of times. I don't believe they are equivalent anymore. Look at what has happened since the election. When have conservatives tried to convince electors not to follow the results of the election? How often do you see college Republicans rioting and trying to prevent liberal speakers from being heard? Even when Trump was running, a number of protesters tried to block traffic to keep people from being able to hear him speak. In this vein, we're talking about people left of center. They pose a threat to our democracy IMO.
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People often say both sides are bad. I've said that a number of times. I don't believe they are equivalent anymore. Look at what has happened since the election. When have conservatives tried to convince electors not to follow the results of the election? How often do you see college Republicans rioting and trying to prevent liberal speakers from being heard? Even when Trump was running, a number of protesters tried to block traffic to keep people from being able to hear him speak. In this vein, we're talking about people left of center. They pose a threat to our democracy IMO.
They may, and I mean this, pose a threat, but they are not doing something that hasn't been done by people such as the KKK and other groups in the past. They blocked people from voting and a host of other things.
I think our democracy will survive as it always has because I believe that most of these people on both sides are squeaky wheels. They do not represent a majority of anyone.
Have liberal speakers been blocked? Honestly couldn't tell you. I haven't heard of any, but that doesn't mean I know of every single thing going on around the country at every moment. On the surface of the question, I would say no, conservatives have not blocked liberals recently.
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They may, and I mean this, pose a threat, but they are not doing something that hasn't been done by people such as the KKK and other groups in the past. They blocked people from voting and a host of other things.
I think our democracy will survive as it always has because I believe that most of these people on both sides are squeaky wheels. They do not represent a majority of anyone.
Have liberal speakers been blocked? Honestly couldn't tell you. I haven't heard of any, but that doesn't mean I know of every single thing going on around the country at every moment. On the surface of the question, I would say no, conservatives have not blocked liberals recently.
It's true the KKK did what fascist liberals are doing today, and much worse, but that was decades ago. That is not today's KKK. Today's KKK is impotent and irrelevant. They are not a part of the two-party system and don't have the support of the MSM. But liberals? They are part of the Democrat Party and the MSM gives the violent ones cover, repeatedly. Did you see the clip I posted of the woman shoving her two middle fingers in the face of some racist idiot? That's the kind of aggressive behavior Trump was talking about, the MSM refuses to highlight.
If we're talking about what is happening today, it's old and unfortunately young members of the Democrat Party who are trying to silence opposing viewpoints, by any means necessary.
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I agree, although I'm not sure Trump can fix this. But I do give him credit for taking on the establishment and punching them in the mouth.
Really, I think he's the only one with a chance to make an effective effort. Anyone else can be silenced and scattered by the noise in this MSM, except him. No one else has a chance to speak to so many, and to explain to so many, without being drowned out.
Because, of course, the thing which now passes for a "free press" is something which works against that idea, and so much so that it must require an extraordinary voice to climb outside of it to talk to us. Other than him, I don't know who could do that.
We need new entities to investigate all claims of the standing MSM, done in the form of new media, and all the more of it is all the better.
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Really, I think he's the only one with a chance to make an effective effort. Anyone else can be silenced and scattered by the noise in this MSM, except him. No one else has a chance to speak to so many, and to explain to so many, without being drowned out.
Because, of course, the thing which now passes for a "free press" is something which works against that idea, and so much so that it must require an extraordinary voice to climb outside of it to talk to us. Other than him, I don't know who could do that.
We need new entities to investigate all claims of the standing MSM, done in the form of new media, and all the more of it is all the better.
I agree. I'm just not all that optimistic he can do it, particularly on those occasions when he acts like an undisciplined idiot.
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Not when you lose the war to be honest.
How can you revere a statue on one side that depicts a treasonous act (according to the US) and then on the other side call yourself a lover of the US and hold a US flag?
I just found this btw. This is a timeline depiction of exactly when confederate statues were erected.
Things are a lot different now in the US and the world at large.
(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170816135714-gfx-monuments-over-time-splc.jpg)
But you're not saying that dissenting voices against the claimed "official" ones, period, are to be lost. Are you? Doesn't that in itself go against what we know to be true about America?
To say nothing of the fact it can't be done, no matter how much some would like to see it happen.
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It's true the KKK did what fascist liberals are doing today, and much worse, but that was decades ago. That is not today's KKK. Today's KKK is impotent and irrelevant. They are not a part of the two-party system and don't have the support of the MSM. But liberals? They are part of the Democrat Party and the MSM gives the violent ones cover, repeatedly. Did you see the clip I posted of the woman shoving her two middle fingers in the face of some racist idiot? That's the kind of aggressive behavior Trump was talking about, the MSM refuses to highlight.
If we're talking about what is happening today, it's old and unfortunately young members of the Democrat Party who are trying to silence opposing viewpoints, by any means necessary.
Do you not believe that the KKK is not voting against things that the Democratic party are voting for?
Do you believe they didn't vote in 2016?
Yes, today the young members are trying to silence opposing viewpoints and that is wrong. No one should be silenced for speaking their mind, no matter how disgusting it may be.
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Do you not believe that the KKK is not voting against things that the Democratic party are voting for?
Do you believe they didn't vote in 2016?
Yes, today the young members are trying to silence opposing viewpoints and that is wrong. No one should be silenced for speaking their mind, no matter how disgusting it may be.
I'm sure some of them voted. I'm also fairly certain they had zero impact on the election. They are as relevant to politics as the Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity.
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I agree. I'm just not all that optimistic he can do it, particularly on those occasions when he acts like an undisciplined idiot.
Oh, I know. Believe me. And he probably wakes each day hoping he won't get broadsided with something from his past, which causes him to tread very lightly and avoid all sudden but meaningful moves.
Lucky us. ::)
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DNC worked to dynamite Bernie Sanders and he turned out to be too much a weakling to fight them.
And I don't give a damn about his personal feelings on the subject. He owed his followers a good fight, and he failed to deliver.
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Oh, I know. Believe me. And he probably wakes each day hoping he won't get broadsided with something from his past, which causes him to tread very lightly and avoid all sudden but meaningful moves.
Lucky us. ::)
Sad but true. :-\
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I'm sure some of them voted. I'm also fairly certain they had zero impact on the election. They are as relevant to politics as the Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity.
Some of the states were pretty close. We know there are about 915 hate groups in the US according to data, so if they can dictate just a few very close states, which there were a few right? Could they have made enough of an impact to change an election?
Maybe not, but maybe they could have... We always said that Romney didn't motivate the base, well, this is a part of Trump's base right? Maybe they squeaked out just enough votes to make it happen. I am not saying it did, but it makes me wonder.
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Some of the states were pretty close. We know there are about 915 hate groups in the US according to data, so if they can dictate just a few very close states, which there were a few right? Could they have made enough of an impact to change an election?
Maybe not, but maybe they could have... We always said that Romney didn't motivate the base, well, this is a part of Trump's base right? Maybe they squeaked out just enough votes to make it happen. I am not saying it did, but it makes me wonder.
We're talking about the KKK, not "hate groups" in general. You realize the Southern Poverty Law Center has defined most of these hate groups? They include, for example, any group that supports traditional marriage. Even Dr. Ben Carson made their list.
The KKK is a limp noodle.
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We're talking about the KKK, not "hate groups" in general. You realize the Southern Poverty Law Center has defined most of these hate groups? They include, for example, any group that supports traditional marriage. Even Dr. Ben Carson made their list.
The KKK is a limp noodle.
I'm not talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center and their definition, but you're right about me confusing 2 separate issues.
Yes, the KKK is very small and has a very small footprint around the US, but white supremacist groups, are, I believe, capable of turning an election if it's close like 2016 was.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not helping because I'm voting against pretty much everyone else, but that's just me. I'm not giving nor taking votes away to or from either of the big 2 parties.
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I'm not talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center and their definition, but you're right about me confusing 2 separate issues.
Yes, the KKK is very small and has a very small footprint around the US, but white supremacist groups, are, I believe, capable of turning an election if it's close like 2016 was.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not helping because I'm voting against pretty much everyone else, but that's just me. I'm not giving nor taking votes away to or from either of the big 2 parties.
It's true that relatively small but unanimous voting blocs can swing results in a particular state. That said, in order to conclude the KKK impacted the election, we'd have to look at the swing states (or really every state Trump won), the KKK population in those states, exit polls, etc. I'm not doing all of that work, but I'm pretty confident we wouldn't be able to find any support for the KKK as a voting bloc having any impact on states Trump won, much less pushed him to victory.
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True points on all fronts.
I still find it odd that we would have statues of people who fought against the USA in the USA itself. Just seems weird to me.
It's not like we have statues of Hitler, Hirohito, or Santa Anna hanging around do we?
Pretty sure there are statues of Pancho Villa in the U.S.
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Pretty sure there are statues of Pancho Villa in the U.S.
There is, but I don't think he was ever at war against the US... Was he? I know he did attack a border town once, but that was him fucking up I think. At least that's the way the story was told to me.
If he was an enemy of the US, then yeah, that shit needs to come down.
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Pretty sure there are statues of Pancho Villa in the U.S.
Yep, in Downtown Tucson.
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They say Pancho was a dope-smoking madman with no concept of linear thought, and that's why he was so "good" at battle (according to the stories which say he was good, anyway).
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I will disagree that shit is worse. Nothing is worse than the 80s when it comes to inner city violence and crime. That's just a statistical fact. As a matter of fact, looking at trends, outside of a couple of places, crime as a whole is down across the board. Everywhere.
You are incorrect about poverty rates though. The most recent data I can find has poverty up by 2.5 percent in 2015 compared to 1990. (Has it dropped in 2 years? Doubtful, but if you find the information, I'll be happy to look at it.) Also, for full disclosure, it was much higher from 2009 to 2014.
Now it's not a huge difference, but I honestly can't tell you what 2.5 percent difference in poverty over 25 years equates to in terms of social-economic impact. I haven't done the research and to be completely fair, I'm not going to as it's not my forte.
I will also have to ask when the trend of violence started and how is it actually trending over the past 6 - 8 years everywhere, not just Chicago itself.
Someone brought up NY, but I haven't seen a problem there myself, nor in Los Angeles.
Crime is through the roof in black cities all around the country. There isn't a predominantly black area anywhere in the US that isn't a crime infested drug addled shit hole. There's no need to look for complex answers. The simple one works just fine. It's a failed culture. The poverty excuse is also a joke. This is what American poverty looks like, 21 year old 300 pound Quantasia:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGqYEeAV0AArcWs.jpg)
Btw, New York City is on its way down the toilet too. I live here. Can't walk down the street without seeing some busted Dindu going through the garbage or pissing on himself.
America’s Top Cities for Homicides Are on Track for Historic Rates in 2017
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetrace.org/2017/07/gun-homicide-rates-baltimore-st-lous-detroit/amp/
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Crime is through the roof in black cities all around the country. There isn't a predominantly black area anywhere in the US that isn't a crime infested drug addled shit hole. There's no need to look for complex answers. The simple one works just fine. It's a failed culture. The poverty excuse is also a joke. This is what American poverty looks like, 21 year old 300 pound Quantasia:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGqYEeAV0AArcWs.jpg)
Btw, New York City is on its way down the toilet too. I live here. Can't walk down the street without seeing some busted Dindu going through the garbage or pissing on himself.
America’s Top Cities for Homicides Are on Track for Historic Rates in 2017
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetrace.org/2017/07/gun-homicide-rates-baltimore-st-lous-detroit/amp/
Sorry, but violence in the 80s was much worse than it is now. Yes, the black inner cities are a problem, but they are not as bad as they were in the 80s.
That sampling over the past 7 years does show it is worse than then, but nothing was as bad as the 80s in inner cities. Now we certainly don't want it to get worse. That would be tragic, but as bad as it is in certain areas, it's not as bad as it has been.
Go look at the murders in the mid to late 80s and then tell me now is worse. It's not even close.
Chicago - Murders in the city first peaked in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million, resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000, and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 murders per 100,000 citizens.
2016 I believe was 27.22 per 100,000
So it's bad... I'm not saying it's not, and it might be worse this year, so it may break that record from 92, but it's been worse than last year.
Last Year's homicide rate in NYC btw was 3.0 per 100,000 and Los Angeles was 6.3.
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Sorry, but violence in the 80s was much worse than it is now. Yes, the black inner cities are a problem, but they are not as bad as they were in the 80s.
That sampling over the past 7 years does show it is worse than then, but nothing was as bad as the 80s in inner cities. Now we certainly don't want it to get worse. That would be tragic, but as bad as it is in certain areas, it's not as bad as it has been.
Go look at the murders in the mid to late 80s and then tell me now is worse. It's not even close.
Chicago - Murders in the city first peaked in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million, resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000, and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 murders per 100,000 citizens.
2016 I believe was 27.22 per 100,000
So it's bad... I'm not saying it's not, and it might be worse this year, so it may break that record from 92, but it's been worse than last year.
Last Year's homicide rate in NYC btw was 3.0 per 100,000 and Los Angeles was 6.3.
Eleven people have been murdered and 32 more wounded in Chicago since Sunday. So if Black Lives Matter was truthful about the plight of blacks in America, why aren't they protesting there? Where is the cry from BLM, MSM, or Chicago politicians to stop the killing?
One white woman was killed by the rally of idiots on Saturday. In a national call out for White Supremacists to attend the protest in Charlottesville only about 500 morons showed up. Hardly a national presence, about that many people get shot per month in Chicago. So where is the outcry from the media? They sure like to cover how the DOJ is unfairly treating Chicago because of its sanctuary city policies.
Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorist groups and Trump was right to call them out. Just because Obama could never utter the words doesn't mean people/groups of domestic terrorists don't exist.The MSM is in a full force push to fight Trump anyway they can. Lost in this fervor of some retard from Ohio running over a person protesting illegally are the facts that:
One group had a legal permit to assemble and hold a rally, one group did not
The Lynch and FBI FOIA obstruction of justice probe gets pushed off the front page
All rioters are criminals, just like all illegals are criminals
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Eleven people have been murdered and 32 more wounded in Chicago since Sunday. So if Black Lives Matter was truthful about the plight of blacks in America, why aren't they protesting there? Where is the cry from BLM, MSM, or Chicago politicians to stop the killing?
One white woman was killed by the rally of idiots on Saturday. In a national call out for White Supremacists to attend the protest in Charlottesville only about 500 morons showed up. Hardly a national presence, about that many people get shot per month in Chicago. So where is the outcry from the media? They sure like to cover how the DOJ is unfairly treating Chicago because of its sanctuary city policies.
Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorist groups and Trump was right to call them out. Just because Obama could never utter the words doesn't mean people/groups of domestic terrorists don't exist.The MSM is in a full force push to fight Trump anyway they can. Lost in this fervor of some retard from Ohio running over a person protesting illegally are the facts that:
One group had a legal permit to assemble and hold a rally, one group did not
The Lynch and FBI FOIA obstruction of justice probe gets pushed off the front page
All rioters are criminals, just like all illegals are criminals
My belief, and as I'm not a member of BLM, I can only give my assumption, so there's that... Is that they were created specifically because of black people being killed by police. This is black people killing other black people and as such, isn't really a BLM issue.
It SHOULD be an issue for BLM, but that's not what they were organized around. They were organized because of police killing black people.
Now do I think that's the biggest problem facing the black communities? Nope. It's a problem, but it's not the largest.
Black communities have larger issues and if they were smart, they would organize against those too. We have no argument there. I just can't speak to BLM or whatever they decide to do. Aren't we really adding in BLM in a conversation they have nothing to do with?
Let's not exaggerate, they've had 437 murders in the past 7.5 months, so it's not anywhere close to 500 a month. It's far too many, but let's be factual and not speak in overly dramatic fashions when we are talking seriously.
You don't need any permit to legally assemble. The constitution is your permit. Everyone was legally allowed to be there. They were not legally allowed to engage in combat.
As far as what you mentioned. Yes, some clown from Ohio who has absolutely no reason to want to protect a statue of Robert E. Lee ran over someone. Why the was that guy there? I mean come on. He doesn't even get to use the "heritage" clause. Why would he want to protect that statue?
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My belief, and as I'm not a member of BLM, I can only give my assumption, so there's that... Is that they were created specifically because of black people being killed by police. This is black people killing other black people and as such, isn't really a BLM issue.
It SHOULD be an issue for BLM, but that's not what they were organized around. They were organized because of police killing black people.
Now do I think that's the biggest problem facing the black communities? Nope. It's a problem, but it's not the largest.
Black communities have larger issues and if they were smart, they would organize against those too. We have no argument there. I just can't speak to BLM or whatever they decide to do. Aren't we really adding in BLM in a conversation they have nothing to do with?
Let's not exaggerate, they've had 437 murders in the past 7.5 months, so it's not anywhere close to 500 a month. It's far too many, but let's be factual and not speak in overly dramatic fashions when we are talking seriously.
You don't need any permit to legally assemble. The constitution is your permit. Everyone was legally allowed to be there. They were not legally allowed to engage in combat.
As far as what you mentioned. Yes, some clown from Ohio who has absolutely no reason to want to protect a statue of Robert E. Lee ran over someone. Why the was that guy there? I mean come on. He doesn't even get to use the "heritage" clause. Why would he want to protect that statue?
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My belief, and as I'm not a member of BLM, I can only give my assumption, so there's that... Is that they were created specifically because of black people being killed by police. This is black people killing other black people and as such, isn't really a BLM issue.
It SHOULD be an issue for BLM, but that's not what they were organized around. They were organized because of police killing black people.
Now do I think that's the biggest problem facing the black communities? Nope. It's a problem, but it's not the largest.
Black communities have larger issues and if they were smart, they would organize against those too. We have no argument there. I just can't speak to BLM or whatever they decide to do. Aren't we really adding in BLM in a conversation they have nothing to do with?
Let's not exaggerate, they've had 437 murders in the past 7.5 months, so it's not anywhere close to 500 a month. It's far too many, but let's be factual and not speak in overly dramatic fashions when we are talking seriously.
You don't need any permit to legally assemble. The constitution is your permit. Everyone was legally allowed to be there. They were not legally allowed to engage in combat.
As far as what you mentioned. Yes, some clown from Ohio who has absolutely no reason to want to protect a statue of Robert E. Lee ran over someone. Why the was that guy there? I mean come on. He doesn't even get to use the "heritage" clause. Why would he want to protect that statue?
500 people are shot in Chicago in a little over a month....not murdered, shot.
You need to slow your righteous indignation down a little and try to comprehend what is being said.
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Those are false statistics.
I already stated it was not the largest problem, but it is a problem.
The real numbers are:
Blacks killed by whites
8%
Blacks killed by blacks
90%
Whites killed by whites
82%
Whites killed by blacks
15%
These numbers are the FBI numbers btw.
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500 people are shot in Chicago in a little over a month....not murdered, shot.
You need to slow your righteous indignation down a little and try to comprehend what is being said.
My righteous indignation? HAHAHA
What anger do I have? zero. I'm answering questions as asked. I could stop right now if you want. It matters not to me.
You post completely false statistics and I'm the angry one?
You're using lies to justify your position, but if you think I'm the angry one, then so be it.
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Those are false statistics.
I already stated it was not the largest problem, but it is a problem.
The real numbers are:
Blacks killed by whites
8%
Blacks killed by blacks
90%
Whites killed by whites
82%
Whites killed by blacks
15%
These numbers are the FBI numbers btw.
The source of those statistics is listed right there for all to see. Only a child would call them my lie.
Let me also question the accuracy of your statement about BLM. They are only interested in blacks that are shot by WHITE cops. They have no interest in whether the deceased resisted arrest or the circumstances, they are only interested in the color of the officer's skin.
You ask why is BLM being brought into the conversation? Well at last Saturday's legal and permitted protest of the removal of a General Lee statue why was BLM even there? You've already said they have no interest in heritage.
Why is an organization that was founded around the false premise of "racist white police officers gunning down innocent black men" at a peaceful protest about protecting a part of US history?
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500 people are shot in Chicago in a little over a month....not murdered, shot.
You need to slow your righteous indignation down a little and try to comprehend what is being said.
All he's got is long winded excuse making and nitpicking. In 2017, Black inner cities are the most violent places on the face of the earth. You would think the media would have a bit of interest in this.
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All he's got is long winded excuse making and nitpicking. In 2017, Black inner cities are the most violent places on the face of the earth. You would think the media would have a bit of interest in this.
In 2009 Nidal Hasan, a Muslim with known terrorist ties, shot and killed 13 men and wounded 30 more at Fort Hood.
President Obama called it workplace violence. The majority of the MSM said nothing.
The Attack in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11, Obama and Clinton blamed a video. The majority of the MSM said nothing.
Now Trump says both sides are at fault and guilty of what went on last Saturday and the MSM are frothing at the mouth because Trump had the nerve to tell the truth and call out the left.
Only going to get worse...
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In 2009 Nidal Hasan, a Muslim with known terrorist ties, shot and killed 13 men and wounded 30 more at Fort Hood.
President Obama called it workplace violence. The majority of the MSM said nothing.
The Attack in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11, Obama and Clinton blamed a video. The majority of the MSM said nothing.
Now Trump says both sides are at fault and guilty of what went on last Saturday and the MSM are frothing at the mouth because Trump had the nerve to tell the truth and call out the left.
Only going to get worse...
A leftist shoots up a bunch of Republican congressmen playing softball and the media was pretty much disinterested.
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A leftist shoots up a bunch of Republican congressmen playing softball and the media was pretty much disinterested.
Jared Kushner shot and killed people while he was trying to shoot and kill Congresswoman Gabby Gifford. The MSM was at a fever pitch until....they found out he was a Democrat. Then the story went away.
The City of Baltimore took down Civil War statues during the night last night....but the Ray Lewis statue stands proudly in Baltimore today. Isn't that a bit backward?
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
The left say the statues have to come down because they represent slavery. Yet the Democratic Part is the party of slavery. If you say the Civil War was about slavery, the left says no it wasn't it was about succession from the Union and was necessary.
What's odd is that Governor Jerry Brown calls for CA to succeed from the US, but I don't see any left-wing demonstration about that?
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Jared Kushner shot and killed people while he was trying to shoot and kill Congresswoman Gabby Gifford. The MSM was at a fever pitch until....they found out he was a Democrat. Then the story went away.
The City of Baltimore took down Civil War statues during the night last night....but the Ray Lewis statue stands proudly in Baltimore today. Isn't that a bit backward?
The hypocrisy knows no bounds.
The left say the statues have to come down because they represent slavery. Yet the Democratic Part is the party of slavery. If you say the Civil War was about slavery, the left says no it wasn't it was about succession from the Union and was necessary.
What's odd is that Governor Jerry Brown calls for CA to succeed from the US, but I don't see any left-wing demonstration about that?
Democrats before Civil War: "But who will pick our crops?"
Democrats today: "But who will pick our crops?"
California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage
http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/ (http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/)
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Eleven people have been murdered and 32 more wounded in Chicago since Sunday. So if Black Lives Matter was truthful about the plight of blacks in America, why aren't they protesting there? Where is the cry from BLM, MSM, or Chicago politicians to stop the killing?
Because they blamed the cops for all the problems. However when the cops stood down, violence escalated to the point where it is now. So, they're backed into a corner where the only answer is to call for aggressive policing.
Jared Kushner shot and killed people while he was trying to shoot and kill Congresswoman Gabby Gifford. The MSM was at a fever pitch until....they found out he was a Democrat. Then the story went away.
I haven't been able to find it, but somebody posted a list of all the people who work for the major networks who are either former Democratic operatives or married to Democratic politicians. It was huge. The mainstream media and the Democratic Party are essentially one and the same.
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The reporting has gotten so bad that the media is allowing these ANTIFA shitbag communists to identify with the soldiers who hit Normandy. They are communists....look at their agenda, look at the agenda of BLM. Goddamn Soros was a nazi sympathizer and now funds these groups. The D Day soldiers no more ID with them then they do with the rednecks with torches. I have a hard time ID'ing them as Nazi's. Most of em would not have been able to serve in SS combat formations, hell half of em can't serve in our military or were discharged as unfit. They did a study on the ANTIFA douches....most live at home still. We have pussies and rednecks hackiing at each other and the media cheers.
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The reporting has gotten so bad that the media is allowing these ANTIFA shitbag communists to identify with the soldiers who hit Normandy. They are communists....look at their agenda, look at the agenda of BLM. Goddamn Soros was a nazi sympathizer and now funds these groups. The D Day soldiers no more ID with them then they do with the rednecks with torches. I have a hard time ID'ing them as Nazi's. Most of em would not have been able to serve in SS combat formations, hell half of em can't serve in our military or were discharged as unfit. They did a study on the ANTIFA douches....most live at home still. We have pussies and rednecks hackiing at each other and the media cheers.
This is funny and true at the same time.
Can you imagine Tu Holmes as a German SS Officer? Can you imagine Goebbels meeting a group of inner city Goodrums?
Tu Holmes might have been tall enough for the Hitler Youth! ;D
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The source of those statistics is listed right there for all to see. Only a child would call them my lie.
Let me also question the accuracy of your statement about BLM. They are only interested in blacks that are shot by WHITE cops. They have no interest in whether the deceased resisted arrest or the circumstances, they are only interested in the color of the officer's skin.
You ask why is BLM being brought into the conversation? Well at last Saturday's legal and permitted protest of the removal of a General Lee statue why was BLM even there? You've already said they have no interest in heritage.
Why is an organization that was founded around the false premise of "racist white police officers gunning down innocent black men" at a peaceful protest about protecting a part of US history?
Never said it was YOUR lie. I said it was a lie. One that had been debunked in 2015.
This is funny and true at the same time.
Can you imagine Tu Holmes as a German SS Officer? Can you imagine Goebbels meeting a group of inner city Goodrums?
Tu Holmes might have been tall enough for the Hitler Youth! ;D
Stupid. I'm 3 inches taller than Geobbels was and whopping 1/2 an inch shorter than Hitler was. I guess that's what you have to do when you run out of decent points though.
I won't respond to you again though, since this is your MO now, so feel free to respond as you see fit.
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Never said it was YOUR lie. I said it was a lie. One that had been debunked in 2015.
Stupid. I'm 3 inches taller than Geobbels was and whopping 1/2 an inch shorter than Hitler was. I guess that's what you have to do when you run out of decent points though.
I won't respond to you again though, since this is your MO now, so feel free to respond as you see fit.
No sweat off my ass. You type a lot and say absolutely nothing pertinent to the subject at hand.
You're another poorly educated liberal with a myopic, naive view of the world throwing a hissy fit temper tantrum about Trump like a 6 year old who didn't get a pony for Christmas.
You support the left, BAMN, BLM, Hillary, etc., not much more need be said about your obvious lack of intelligence.
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Daily Caller...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D