Left-Wing Agitators Call For Escalated Tactics In Response To Charlottesville

[Thin Lizzy]

Nazi's and the KKK as groups are much more historically violent as a hate group than antifa or whatever they want to call themselves. You knew what I meant, but chose to call it out based on race, which of course had nothing to do with the conversation.

The only thing I defended was everyone's right to peacefully assemble. Nothing more.

What I stated was when you get groups like that together, the shit is gonna fly.

These groups are a joke, a relic of the past. Whenever they protest almost invariably more media and counter protesters show up than actual protesters.  As it stands now, white men have never been more peaceful in the history of this country.  Conversely, African-American men are currently the most violent people on the face of the earth.

[TuHolmes]

These groups are a joke, a relic of the past. Whenever they protest almost invariably more media and counter protesters show up than actual protesters.  As it stands now, white men have never been more peaceful in the history of this country.  Conversely, African-American men are currently the most violent people on the face of the earth.

Do you think they are more violent than those in SouthWest Asia?

[Thin Lizzy]

No one wanted this to happen dude. NO ONE.

That is some conspiracy shit you're preaching now.

I happen to agree with you on this one. They just weren't experienced with handling that type of protest in that area.

"Don't attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by incompetence."

[Thin Lizzy]

Do you think they are more violent than those in SouthWest Asia?

Black inner cities pound for pound are the most violent places on the face of the earth including war zones.

You might find a tiny exception in the third world but you won't find it in the first world.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/nolacrimenews.com/2016/06/14/the-demographics-of-murder-in-new-orleans/amp/


The murder rate in New Orleans in 2015 was just about 40 per 100,000 residents. The national rate in 2014, the last year for which data is available, was 4.5 murders per 100,000 residents. Caracas, Venezuela is the murder capital of the world according to Wikipedia with a murder rate of 119.87 murders per 100,000 people. For segments of the African American community in New Orleans it is two to three times that bad.

[TuHolmes]

I happen to agree with you on this one. They just weren't experienced with handling that type of protest in that area.

"Don't attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by incompetence."

Exactly.

Black inner cities pound for pound are most violent places on the face of the earth including war zones.

You might find a tiny exception in the third world but you won't find it in the first world.

That is possible. Now the question is "why"? You will attribute it to simply race, but is it really that simple? Maybe poverty coupled with a large population in a small space?

I agree that from a general violence standpoint that poverty stricken white people are not committing those acts of violence, but then there is no one around.

We could then look at heinous crime as a whole, but then that's a completely separate discussion.

[Thin Lizzy]

Exactly.

That is possible. Now the question is "why"? You will attribute it to simply race, but is it really that simple? Maybe poverty coupled with a large population in a small space?

I agree that from a general violence standpoint that poverty stricken white people are not committing those acts of violence, but then there is no one around.

We could then look at heinous crime as a whole, but then that's a completely separate discussion.

Poverty rates have gone down. Try again.

BLM and company blamed the cops. The cops pulled out and things got worse. It's the culture.

The days for lame excuses are over. It's 2017. You had eight years of an African-American president and an African-American Justice Department and shit is worse than ever.

[headhuntersix]

"You libs".

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You know you can be a conservative who doesn't support Nazi's (Actual Socialists... NATIONAL SOCIALISTS (Nationalsozialistische) ) and White supremacists.

You're better than that. At least I thought you were. 

Small minded people try to put people in very tiny boxes though I guess.

These guys are a joke.. but they are armed and have been waiting for this crap for years. The thing is the groups they are physically fighting don't represent America either....BLM and ANTIFA are fraud socialist groups and the real fascists. Its very easy when the KKK gets into a shoot out with cops or the FBI who to back....very hard to see a difference when they're fighting Soros's backed thugs.

[TuHolmes]

Poverty rates have gone down. Try again.

BLM and company blamed the cops. The cops pulled out and things got worse. It's the culture.

The days for lame excuses are over. It's 2017. You had eight years of an African-American president and an African-American Justice Department and shit is worse than ever.

I will disagree that shit is worse. Nothing is worse than the 80s when it comes to inner city violence and crime. That's just a statistical fact. As a matter of fact, looking at trends, outside of a couple of places, crime as a whole is down across the board. Everywhere.

You are incorrect about poverty rates though. The most recent data I can find has poverty up by 2.5 percent in 2015 compared to 1990. (Has it dropped in 2 years? Doubtful, but if you find the information, I'll be happy to look at it.) Also, for full disclosure, it was much higher from 2009 to 2014.

Now it's not a huge difference, but I honestly can't tell you what 2.5 percent difference in poverty over 25 years equates to in terms of social-economic impact. I haven't done the research and to be completely fair, I'm not going to as it's not my forte.

I will also have to ask when the trend of violence started and how is it actually trending over the past 6 - 8 years everywhere, not just Chicago itself.

Someone brought up NY, but I haven't seen a problem there myself, nor in Los Angeles.

[TuHolmes]

These guys are a joke.. but they are armed and have been waiting for this crap for years. The thing is the groups they are physically fighting don't represent America either....BLM and ANTIFA are fraud socialist groups and the real fascists. Its very easy when the KKK gets into a shoot out with cops or the FBI who to back....very hard to see a difference when they're fighting Soros's backed thugs.

Sure they are joke, but you will have to show me what makes them fascists. Your definition of the term may help me understand what is fascist about them in general. I have found that actually defining fascism is quite complex.

[Dos Equis]

Sure they are joke, but you will have to show me what makes them fascists. Your definition of the term may help me understand what is fascist about them in general. I have found that actually defining fascism is quite complex.

Plenty of examples in this thread: 

A number of liberals have been using violence to try and silence opposition.  A recent example is the violence in Berkeley, which is "forcible suppression of opposition" (part of the definition of fascism). 
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=625779.0

[TuHolmes]

Plenty of examples in this thread: 

A number of liberals have been using violence to try and silence opposition.  A recent example is the violence in Berkeley, which is "forcible suppression of opposition" (part of the definition of fascism). 
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=625779.0

So as I said, this is more complicated than a getbig thread most likely.

I know people hate wikipedia, but unless I go downstairs and pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and copy the pages on fascism, this is what you get.

It's a massive read, which is fine, but even the definitions that experts and scholars, not just people from today for you anti knowledge types.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

I mean, it seems pretty damn complex and I don't know if any one side "left or right" as some people like to portray it, can own or completely disavow it in certain contexts.

For the most part, that's why I am forced to use history and what I know certain groups to do, say, or act upon.

[Dos Equis]

So as I said, this is more complicated than a getbig thread most likely.

I know people hate wikipedia, but unless I go downstairs and pick up the World Book Encyclopedia and copy the pages on fascism, this is what you get.

It's a massive read, which is fine, but even the definitions that experts and scholars, not just people from today for you anti knowledge types.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

I mean, it seems pretty damn complex and I don't know if any one side "left or right" as some people like to portray it, can own or completely disavow it in certain contexts.

For the most part, that's why I am forced to use history and what I know certain groups to do, say, or act upon.

Why not just use the dictionary? 

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

What some liberals are doing falls squarely within that definition.  That includes trying to convince the Electoral College not to elect Trump after the November election, vandalism, threats, violence (including murder) directed at people with opposing political views. 

[Las Vegas]

I happen to agree with you on this one. They just weren't experienced with handling that type of protest in that area.

"Don't attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by incompetence."

But what to do when evil hides itself this way, is the question.

[TuHolmes]

Why not just use the dictionary? 

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

What some liberals are doing falls squarely within that definition.  That includes trying to convince the Electoral College not to elect Trump after the November election, vandalism, threats, violence (including murder) directed at people with opposing political views. 

Because it's oversimplification.

I mean, let's be real here. There is no dictatorial leader, they certainly are not exalting the nation above all other, nor the race.

You are highlighting one piece, but surely you can highlight other pieces.


exalts nation and often race above the individual - That's not the liberals here.

That's why I'm saying it's more complex than what the dictionary definition is. If we go by that, then both sides are fascists and at the same time, neither side is.

[Soul Crusher]

Sure they are joke, but you will have to show me what makes them fascists. Your definition of the term may help me understand what is fascist about them in general. I have found that actually defining fascism is quite complex.

You really are trolling hard as of late - what happened to you man! 

[TuHolmes]

You really are trolling hard as of late - what happened to you man! 

I swear I'm not. I'm just trying to understand where everyone else is coming from. I'm really not.

I am asking for genuine inquiry and understanding. I don't troll on the politics board. Well, I try not to.

[Las Vegas]

If an individual decided to physically attack someone for, say, holding a sign... could that be considered an act done in the "spirit" of fascism?

[TuHolmes]

If an individual decided to physically attack someone for, say, holding a sign... could that be considered an act done in the "spirit" of fascism?

Good question.

At some point does the pendulum swing from fascist to just nutjob?

Where is that point? Is it a group of nut jobs? It seems that we all like to put people into groups that let us easily say "That is [isn't]me."

We as humans are good at that.

[Las Vegas]

Good question.

At some point does the pendulum swing from fascist to just nutjob?

Where is that point? Is it a group of nut jobs? It seems that we all like to put people into groups that let us easily say "That is [isn't]me."

We as humans are good at that.

Yes, the attacker may be a nutjob.  But whether that nutjob is acting as a fascist, is the question. 

With the result being the same, I'd have to say yes.  The nutjob took offense and chose to attack.  How else can we call it?

[TuHolmes]

Yes, the attacker may be a nutjob.  But whether that nutjob is acting as a fascist, is the question. 

With the result being the same, I'd have to say yes.  The nutjob took offense and chose to attack.  How else can we call it?

I honestly don't know. I am perfectly fine with that definition myself.

Some nutjobs are fascists, but all fascists aren't nutjobs? 

Is everyone in antifa and BLM a nutjob too?

[Las Vegas]

I honestly don't know. I am perfectly fine with that definition myself.

Some nutjobs are fascists, but all fascists aren't nutjobs? 

Is everyone in antifa and BLM a nutjob too?

Anyone who would attack someone for holding a sign is something very bad, no matter what we call them.

Personally, I've no problem identifying it as a fascist move.  It fits the definition.

[TuHolmes]

Anyone who would attack someone for holding a sign is something very bad, no matter what we call them.

Personally, I've no problem identifying it as a fascist move.  It fits the definition.

So what we are saying is that the people with signs were fascists. The people against those signs were fascists. Everyone standing everywhere in Charlottesville were just a bunch of fascists.

Why did all of the fascists decide to show up that day?

[Las Vegas]

So what we are saying is that the people with signs were fascists. The people against those signs were fascists. Everyone standing everywhere in Charlottesville were just a bunch of fascists.

Why did all of the fascists decide to show up that day?

Lol, that's funny.  Yeah, it may be true.  But if someone wants to hold a sign then let them hold a sign.  Who am I (or you, or anyone) to stop them?

[TuHolmes]

Lol, that's funny.  Yeah, it may be true.  But if someone wants to hold a sign then let them hold a sign.  Who am I (or you, or anyone) to stop them?

I don't disagree. I've said that everyone has the right to hold their signs and believe what they want to believe. I'm surely not stopping anyone from doing anything.

[Las Vegas]

I don't disagree. I've said that everyone has the right to hold their signs and believe what they want to believe. I'm surely not stopping anyone from doing anything.

Yes, Tu.  I'll admit that IMO you don't seem the type to do that.

And I'd bet most of the ones who were doing that, couldn't get on a message board to discuss something if their life depended on it.  They wouldn't know the first thing about it and probably wouldn't care.