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Will you pay to go see bubble guts on stage ?
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Even Dexter Jackson can be seen in Ninja turtles mode!
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Original thread.
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HGH and insulin.
Yates was the first to have a keg gut as a result of those drugs, he probably pushed the dosages before everyone else.
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Insulin made bodybuilders great again.
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Original thread.
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I know right. Another dumbass question. Typical day at getbig
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Bodybuilders today look like they have an alien ready to explode out their gut.
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The real questions is Did bodybuilding ruin Insulin?
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Even Dexter Jackson can be seen in Ninja turtles mode!
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Even?
I did play by play for trulyhuge.com for the 99MrO back when the resolution was so bad I thought Dexter was actually Flex during his posing routine.. All I could see was a giant ninja turtle belly breathing in and out during the routine. I commented about it thinking Flex had really put on some size to have that belly and was amazed it was actually Dex. Lol
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Even?
I did play by play for trulyhuge.com for the 99MrO back when the resolution was so bad I thought Dexter was actually Flex during his posing routine.. All I could see was a giant ninja turtle belly breathing in and out during the routine. I commented about it thinking Flex had really put on some size to have that belly and was amazed it was actually Dex. Lol
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Abusing it ruined BB. Insulin is a hell of a drug, I never made the gains I did before slin
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I know right. Another dumbass question. Typical day at getbig
Hi Phil ;D
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Abusing it ruined BB. Insulin is a hell of a drug, I never made the gains I did before slin
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The real questions is Did bodybuilding ruin Insulin?
Nice.
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Hi Phil ;D
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Hi Nether... aka... "Guest"
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Original thread.
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While not an "original thread" you can argue that after this past Mr.O, the insulin gut display extravaganza is at its all time worse
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Hi Nether... aka... "Guest"
I wish I had that much time on my hands like some of you do ....
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gH did
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IMO I believe so, HGH was used prior to insulin in lower doses and guts strayed in check, the modern day combo of higher dose hgh and insulin has delivered a look of bloated vascularity, early 90s look and earlier much better look.
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The abuse of insulin along with massive doses of GH ruined bodybuilding. I think people underestimate the abuse of IGF-1 as well. Used in reasonable dosages, insulin and GH are incredible for transforming a physique, and the gut is not a problem. Unfortunately what is going on is far, far beyond reasonable.
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The abuse of insulin along with massive doses of GH ruined bodybuilding. I think people underestimate the abuse of IGF-1 as well. Used in reasonable dosages, insulin and GH are incredible for transforming a physique, and the gut is not a problem. Unfortunately what is going on is far, far beyond reasonable.
Food volume should be added to this "gut" discussion.
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Yes.
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The abuse of insulin along with massive doses of GH ruined bodybuilding. I think people underestimate the abuse of IGF-1 as well. Used in reasonable dosages, insulin and GH are incredible for transforming a physique, and the gut is not a problem. Unfortunately what is going on is far, far beyond reasonable.
Yet the biggest users of insulin, by,& anabolics has one of the best midsections in the sport.
Milos
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With insulin everything grows ....well, almost everything
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It wasn't just the drugs.
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Food volume should be added to this "gut" discussion.
Yeah, imo opinion neither insulin nor gh ruined bb, it's more the obsession with the scale.
Dorian had great conditioning throughout his career. Then again he claimed to only have tried insulin briefly at low dosages only in the off season, late in his career. If true then insulin had little to nothing to do with his gut.
As mentioned, Milos had a good midsection despite "always" using insulin, off season and prep. His conditioning was never the best though, but how much was the fault if insulin vs genes is hard to say.
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Yeah, imo opinion neither insulin nor gh ruined bb, it's more the obsession with the scale.
Dorian had great conditioning throughout his career. Then again he claimed to only have tried insulin briefly at low dosages only in the off season, late in his career. If true then insulin had little to nothing to do with his gut.
As mentioned, Milos had a good midsection despite "always" using insulin, off season and prep. His conditioning was never the best though, but how much was the fault if insulin vs genes is hard to say.
Yates did have a large gut, he was arguably the first to show those symptoms. His gut was the first thing I noticed when I first saw a photo of him.
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Yates did have a large gut, he was arguably the first to show those symptoms. His gut was the first thing I noticed when I first saw a photo of him.
Yes but if he hardly used insulin then it had nothing to do with supplemental insulin.
GH increases insulin levels but at the same time it reduces visceral fat.
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Yeah, imo opinion neither insulin nor gh ruined bb, it's more the obsession with the scale.
Yeah, exactly.
It's important to note that the guys in the 70s and 80s were a lot lighter than "modern" bodybuilders of Dorian's era onwards.
For instance, Berry De Mey competed at 225 lbs at 6'! These days, at that height, he'd need to weigh 300lbs to be competitive. In the past, it was more about proportion, conditioning, and illusion -- these days, it's about size at all costs... and "size at all costs" means force-feeding, inordinate amounts of food, and more gear and slin than you can shake a stick at.
Dorian 1993 was the beginning of the end.
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Yes slin ruined this game! Today you have people pushing the envelope towards 200iu aday. And people are fucking dieing just as in the case of Dallas Mccarver. Bubble guts and lack of cuts come from this lame drug. Not hgh and roids.
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Yeah, exactly.
It's important to note that the guys in the 70s and 80s were a lot lighter than "modern" bodybuilders of Dorian's era onwards.
For instance, Berry De Mey competed at 225 lbs at 6'! These days, at that height, he'd need to weigh 300lbs to be competitive. In the past, it was more about proportion, conditioning, and illusion -- these days, it's about size at all costs... and "size at all costs" means force-feeding, inordinate amounts of food, and more gear and slin than you can shake a stick at.
Dorian 1993 was the beginning of the end.
6' @ 3 bills is a little bit high, more like 260-280
seems that low dose gh is ok
if you check those tom splatz interviews on bb bout drug use you will see they were playing with 2-4 ius back then, which was mid-90s
also richey rich piana made a vid where he clearly stated that the gut started to appear once over 4-5 ius per day
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Yeah, exactly.
It's important to note that the guys in the 70s and 80s were a lot lighter than "modern" bodybuilders of Dorian's era onwards.
For instance, Berry De Mey competed at 225 lbs at 6'! These days, at that height, he'd need to weigh 300lbs to be competitive. In the past, it was more about proportion, conditioning, and illusion -- these days, it's about size at all costs... and "size at all costs" means force-feeding, inordinate amounts of food, and more gear and slin than you can shake a stick at.
Dorian 1993 was the beginning of the end.
we've all seen/read/heard that argument for years. the same argument zane used.
this is bodybuilding. nobody started (and continued) thinking "i don't wanna be TOO big".
nobody wins the lottery and drives a Camry ("i could be driving a Ferrari, but i chose to drive this Camry"... or for the xenophobes, "i could be sitting up in one of those F650's, my head a good 7ft above everybody else, but i chose to drive this Tacoma").
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we've all seen/read/heard that argument for years. the same argument zane used.
this is bodybuilding. nobody started (and continued) thinking "i don't wanna be TOO big".
nobody wins the lottery and drives a Camry ("i could be driving a Ferrari, but i chose to drive this Camry"... or for the xenophobes, "i could be sitting up in one of those F650's, my head a good 7ft above everybody else, but i chose to drive this Tacoma").
Mark Zuckerberg is often seen driving a black Acura TSX, a car valued around $30,000. He says he prefers the choice because it's "safe, comfortable and not ostentatious."
Alice Walton Heiress to the Wal-Mart fortune, is now the wealthiest woman in the world after Liliane Bettencourt passed away this week. Her vehicle of choice is a 2006 Ford F-150 King Ranch, with a modest price of around $40,000
Not everyone is shallow and materialistic.
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Yes but if he hardly used insulin then it had nothing to do with supplemental insulin.
GH increases insulin levels but at the same time it reduces visceral fat.
Yates hardly had no gut. He said himself he used about 10 iu for his last contest in 97 and it made him bigger all over and ruined his looks. I belive him.
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Yates hardly had no gut. He said himself he used about 10 iu for his last contest in 97 and it made him bigger all over and ruined his looks. I belive him.
bearing in mind Yates has been on record many times saying no one was putting in as much effort into winning the Olympia as him, training , diet, rest, living it 24/7 then why would he restrict his dosage of a drug, surely with that mindset and mentality he would be putting in as much as humanly possible.
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Mark Zuckerberg is often seen driving a black Acura TSX, a car valued around $30,000. He says he prefers the choice because it's "safe, comfortable and not ostentatious."
Alice Walton Heiress to the Wal-Mart fortune, is now the wealthiest woman in the world after Liliane Bettencourt passed away this week. Her vehicle of choice is a 2006 Ford F-150 King Ranch, with a modest price of around $40,000
Not everyone is shallow and materialistic.
absolute base model TSX is 30k. 60k w/options, but that's beside the point. you left out a honda Fit, a VW GTI, and, convenient for you to omit, a Pagani Huayra ($1.5 mil+), that were easy finds on google. oh, and the Walton lady? her dad drove a ford f-series all his lifel so there's that.
when you're worth $30+ billion, much less $60 billion, driving a Honda Fit is just as vain as driving a Bentley Mulsanne. In palp alto, where Mark lives, $60k E-class wouldn't stand out one bit. benz's are some of the about the safest cars o the market if not the safest. being designed for autobahn and all...
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To answer the OP question. Yes it did.
here is an example of a bb'er who hasn't started slin, yet atleast..
when you have followed bb for a while you can see a distinct difference when a bb'er starts using slin.
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Calum Von Moger ( sp? )
Is way smarter than may have thought by making a living looking like a modern Arnold and avoiding insulin gut.
I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the most popular bodybuilder in the industry.
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To answer the OP question. Yes it did.
here is an example of a bb'er who hasn't started slin, yet atleast..
when you have followed bb for a while you can see a distinct difference when a bb'er starts using slin.
if you are talking pure aesthetics there comes a point where you start to lose it, even when it's in the form of lean dry muscle
case in point is francis benefetto
he looked out-fucking-standing @ 175 or so after that he got bigger with lean tissue only and his aesthetics lessened
same thing with King Zane
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I too have heard Yates' claims that he "tried but didn't like so never really used" insulin , Occam's razor (and Yates gut) says "That's a lie"
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It’s funny how blackstone has that supplemt that is made to look like an insulin bottle
But it would come down to something simple
The key to being fckn monstrous is walking into Walmart and dropping $25 with no script
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I too have heard Yates' claims that he "tried but didn't like so never really used" insulin , Occam's razor (and Yates gut) says "That's a lie"
Insulin isn't the only way to get a musclegut, though - right?
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Insulin isn't the only way to get a musclegut, though - right?
It's speculation on my part (as well as everyone else's for that matter) but the GH was in use prior to the guts appearing, the differences
(as far as I can tell) are the slin and the "scale weight at all costs" mentality, as some one else put it. Of course I could be wrong , but this is GetBig where bro opinion can be boldly asserted as fact without evidence , which I'm doing.............. :P
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It's speculation on my part (as well as everyone else's for that matter) but the GH was in use prior to the guts appearing, the differences
(as far as I can tell) are the slin and the "scale weight at all costs" mentality, as some one else put it. Of course I could be wrong , but this is GetBig where bro opinion can be boldly asserted as fact without evidence , which I'm doing.............. :P
Perhaps the addition of insulin to HGH just emphasized the enlarging gut side effects.
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Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.
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Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.
Interesting point, Never thought of that.
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It's speculation on my part (as well as everyone else's for that matter) but the GH was in use prior to the guts appearing, the differences
(as far as I can tell) are the slin and the "scale weight at all costs" mentality, as some one else put it. Of course I could be wrong , but this is GetBig where bro opinion can be boldly asserted as fact without evidence , which I'm doing.............. :P
it seems to be the combo of slin, over feeding and higher doses of gh (ie. over 4 ius)
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Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.
But not with anabolic steroids alone.
It only became visible from the years Yates started winning.
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Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.
no that has to do with being plant eaters for the most part. so their digestive system has evolved to be large. Just like for other large plant eaters like cows for example.
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Bodybuilding is the muscle
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You can still get the bodybuilders distended abdomen without insulin and/or GH. Look at Craig Titus. Distended abdomen even before he started using GH or insulin and even with GH and insulin you was never a high dose guy (with those drugs at least). Aside from Milos, Bostin Loyd, or Kovacs, CT was the biggest user of anabolics I've ever known or been aware of.
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.....yes. Thanks Milos.
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.....yes. Thanks Milos.
In your opinion, did Milos ruin his own physique with insulin? Was he one of the insulin casualties?
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You can still get the bodybuilders distended abdomen without insulin and/or GH. Look at Craig Titus. Distended abdomen even before he started using GH or insulin and even with GH and insulin you was never a high dose guy (with those drugs at least). Aside from Milos, Bostin Loyd, or Kovacs, CT was the biggest user of anabolics I've ever known or been aware of.
what caused yours?
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In your opinion, did Milos ruin his own physique with insulin? Was he one of the insulin casualties?
No, he had a great physique. But he's the one introduced insulin to Bodybuilding. I don't know how long you've been on here but we used to have (he and I) some epic battles that even carried to an argument (we were on the phone) in front of my old gym, MetRx. We argued and debated for about :30-:40 min.
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Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.
Never wonder why? "An adult male gorilla may consume more than 18 kg (40 lbs.) of vegetation per day."..
Have you seen that belly after Gorilla has been on diet for the competition like couple of months? When it's body fat is in single digits? How about "bodybuilders"?
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No, he had a great physique. But he's the one introduced insulin to Bodybuilding. I don't know how long you've been on here but we used to have (he and I) some epic battles that even carried to an argument (we were on the phone) in front of my old gym, MetRx. We argued and debated for about :30-:40 min.
I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too :D
But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.
Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.
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I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too :D
But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.
Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.
And when insulin is combined with HGH? A bit of a coincidence that when these drugs became prominent, so did the distended guts. And started about the time Yates started winning..
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And when insulin is combined with HGH? A bit of a coincidence that when these drugs became prominent, so did the distended guts. And started about the time Yates started winning..
Both drugs can definitely contribute to it as can steroids.
But Coach is always crying about insulin always being so bad. It depends on how it's used and whatever else you are doing drug and food wise at the same time. There are a lot of aesthetic vacuum-sporting guys using it as well.
For example, if you elevate insulin slightly during a 2 hour window around workouts it's unlikely to wreck you.
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I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too :D
But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.
Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.
Van_buildthatass :-)
You're great buddy :-)
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I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too :D
But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.
Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.
YES,,HE STATED ON HERE VERY ANABOLIC COMPOUND,HE WAS WELL VERSED IN ITS USAGE YOU COULD SAY..OIL ASIDE A PHENOMINAL BUILD...
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Yet the biggest users of insulin, by,& anabolics has one of the best midsections in the sport.
Milos
Mishko might have been one of the first mainstreamers of insulin usage in bb, but i bet he was experimenting with small dosages.
Modern pro's abuse it alot more, that's for sure.
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Mishko might have been one of the first mainstreamers of insulin usage in bb, but i bet he was experimenting with small dosages.
Modern pro's abuse it alot more, that's for sure.
Not true. If I was using 45-602iu/day in 99-2000, how much do you think he was using along with high dose gh? You can use a lot more insulin with gh because it increases insulin resistance.
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Not true. If I was using 45-602iu/day in 99-2000, how much do you think he was using along with high dose gh? You can use a lot more insulin with gh because it increases insulin resistance.
seriously mate you need to stop writing this stuff, it just makes you look more of a dick every single time.
All gear and no idea...
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seriously mate you need to stop writing this stuff, it just makes you look more of a dick every single time.
All gear and no idea...
How bout you start writing shit that's irrelevant to the threads you're posting in and make a fucking attempt to contribute something aside from your incessant trolling.
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How bout you start writing shit that's irrelevant to the threads you're posting in and make a fucking attempt to contribute something aside from your incessant trolling.
OK...insulin and GH ruined bodybuilding, it also contributed to your huge gut.
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Mishko might have been one of the first mainstreamers of insulin usage in bb, but i bet he was experimenting with small dosages.
Modern pro's abuse it alot more, that's for sure.
I don't know about that. Milos was doing and advicing about 20iu Humalog before and sometimes after workouts. He trained twice daily. Chad Nicholls claimed his athletes around '00 were only doing about 20iu of "R" split up one day per week. Sometimes 2 days per week, and never really during prep. And his guys like Ronnie and Kamali were gut monsters. Recently Kamali said their gut issues were due to a monstrous food intake during carb up.
Remember that dealer to some pros who killed himself who used to post here? Forgot his name. Anyway he posted on here that he never heard of any pro doing more than 10iu a day. That was a bit strange.
Recently there's been talk about Lantus use on the forums. Some claim guys at Oxygen are using it a lot but one guy I know who prepped there never heard of Lantus before I mentioned it. Jordan Peters supposedly said there are no top pros using long acting insulins, he was doing 100iu of Humalog under Milos when pushing 300lbs.
Combining Lantus and Humalog or Novolog one can pretty easily do a couple of hundred iu a day. This can wreck a physique but with short blasts you get insanely full :D What many don't understand is that doses like 10 or 20iu you are still very much in normal physiological range, few have really pushed to supraphysiological range :D
If someone here knows of lantus use among pros let's hear it.
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PED abuse. Not use but abuse.
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PED abuse. Not use but abuse.
Though HGH and insulin seem to have the most exaggerated effect, huge guts, changing of facial bones and skull, enlarging hands and feet, and a glossy donut glaze and more puffy look.
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OK...insulin and GH ruined bodybuilding, it also contributed to your huge gut.
My huge gut? Bwahaha
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My huge gut? Bwahaha
and thats a flattering one
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Lol while pulling shoulders back after standing up off a bench lol
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Lol while pulling shoulders back after standing up off a bench lol
post a better one
I actually think that's probably the best you have ever looked...
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post a better one
I actually think that's probably the best you have ever looked...
This is you posting those pics not me you dumb mother fucker. The sad part is you don't realize how fucking stupid you are and thinking everybody reading this shit is too stupid to figure out what you're doing. God you're a fucking bitch. Seriously a bitch.
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This is you posting those pics not me you dumb mother fucker. The sad part is you don't realize how fucking stupid you are and thinking everybody reading this shit is too stupid to figure out what you're doing. God you're a fucking bitch. Seriously a bitch.
I thought you didn't care about me....??