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Title: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 06:49:53 AM
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT ... If the teachers chosen go through military or police handling of a weapon then hell yes...
I have two boys in high school and I cant be with them all day im in a good area upstate NY but shit can happen anywhere.
As a former marine I taught my oldest how to shoot he knows and respects hand guns so he can take apart a fire arm clean and shoot if the time called for it..
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 06:54:58 AM
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT ... If the teachers chosen go through military or police handling of a weapon then hell yes...
I have two boys in high school and I cant be with them all day im in a good area upstate NY but shit can happen anywhere.
As a former marine I taught my oldest how to shoot he knows and respects hand guns so he can take apart a fire arm clean and shoot if the time called for it..

Ridiculously stupid idea which 95% of teachers will oppose. Armed security guards and police presence put the guns in the hands of people who have the right job responsibilities and training.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 07:08:03 AM
Ridiculously stupid idea which 95% of teachers will oppose. Armed security guards and police presence put the guns in the hands of people who have the right job responsibilities and training.
So you've gone and polled all the teacher in every state to see who was for or against it great to see you had time for that.. its your opinion not fact .. there are many in our area who would and im sorry but armed security where were they in florida and the other 17 school shootings this year alone by the time they get there kids are dead if a shooter enters a class room and open fires maybe the teacher could wound or stop him before he has a chance to kill more.................... just because your a teacher doesn't mean you cannot be trained with a fire arm many carry them now...
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 07:17:06 AM
you have more chance of getting run over by an ice cream van than getting shot in school.

STFU about guns..
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 23, 2018, 07:19:16 AM
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT ... If the teachers chosen go through military or police handling of a weapon then hell yes...
I have two boys in high school and I cant be with them all day im in a good area upstate NY but shit can happen anywhere.
As a former marine I taught my oldest how to shoot he knows and respects hand guns so he can take apart a fire arm clean and shoot if the time called for it..

Yep, it’s only common sense
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: XFACTOR on February 23, 2018, 07:24:49 AM
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT ... If the teachers chosen go through military or police handling of a weapon then hell yes...
I have two boys in high school and I cant be with them all day im in a good area upstate NY but shit can happen anywhere.
As a former marine I taught my oldest how to shoot he knows and respects hand guns so he can take apart a fire arm clean and shoot if the time called for it..

LMAO your boy is ready to shoot a fire arm in a life threatening situation? A marine would know better than to say this.  Have you been in a life threatening situation with someone shooting a gun at you?  Now think about a boy in that situation. 

You guys are idiots.  The majority of people would freeze in this situation, whether they had a gun or not.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 07:25:00 AM
you have more chance of getting run over by an ice cream van than getting shot in school.

STFU about guns..
TELL THAT TO THE 18 SCHOOLS THAT WENT THROUGH IT THIS YEAR ALONE THATS ALOT OF GOOD HUMOR TRUCKS ASSHOLE
YEA ALL CAPS  >:(
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 07:26:59 AM
LMAO your boy is ready to shoot a fire arm in a life threatening situation? A marine would know better than to say this.  Have you been in a life threatening situation with someone shooting a gun at you?  Now think about a boy in that situation. 

You guys are idiots.  The majority of people would freeze in this situation, whether they had a gun or not.
Im not saying that but as a 18 year old he can respect and handle a gun shooting someone I never said that and yes ive been in that situation
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 07:29:51 AM
LMAO your boy is ready to shoot a fire arm in a life threatening situation? A marine would know better than to say this.  Have you been in a life threatening situation with someone shooting a gun at you?  Now think about a boy in that situation. 

You guys are idiots.  The majority of people would freeze in this situation, whether they had a gun or not.
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don't kid yourself do you know how many teachers through themselves on top of kids to save there lives if they had a gun they would use it
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 07:29:57 AM
So you've gone and polled all the teacher in every state to see who was for or against it great to see you had time for that.. its your opinion not fact .. there are many in our area who would and im sorry but armed security where were they in florida and the other 17 school shootings this year alone by the time they get there kids are dead if a shooter enters a class room and open fires maybe the teacher could wound or stop him before he has a chance to kill more.................... just because your a teacher doesn't mean you cannot be trained with a fire arm many carry them now...

No I’m guessing on the 95% of teachers opposing it but I bet I am correct. Leave it up to each school district but most teachers plus most of the general public will continue to think this proposal is stupid and impractical. Federal government should definitely NOT provide special incentives for arming teachers.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: XFACTOR on February 23, 2018, 07:30:35 AM
Im not saying that but as a 18 year old he can respect and handle a gun shooting someone I never said that and yes ive been in that situation

I have been in this situation as well, with a rifle accessible to me.  You know what I did, ran and hid.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 07:32:11 AM
TELL THAT TO THE 18 SCHOOLS THAT WENT THROUGH IT THIS YEAR ALONE THATS ALOT OF GOOD HUMOR TRUCKS ASSHOLE
YEA ALL CAPS  >:(

WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS OF ALL THE KIDS KILLED BY ICE CREAM TRUCKS?
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: XFACTOR on February 23, 2018, 07:34:56 AM
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don't kid yourself do you know how many teachers through themselves on top of kids to save there lives if they had a gun they would use it

Come on man, you're using small isolated examples.  Teachers aren't jumping in front of bullets for kids as you think, or the media portrays. Most teachers would not even want a gun.  

This is such a stupid argument.  It starts with securing the schools better not arming more people and putting more guns out there.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 07:43:54 AM
Come on man, you're using small isolated examples.  Teachers aren't jumping in front of bullets for kids as you think, or the media portrays. Most teachers would not even want a gun.  

This is such a stupid argument.  It starts with securing the schools better not arming more people and putting more guns out there.

True but its not an argument its a conversation and something has to be done its a fucked up world and for anyone in there 40s and 50s on here it was never like this when we were in school I guess im open to anything to protect kids ive seen crazy shit around the world and to see it going on here it makes me nuts..
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 07:44:37 AM
WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS OF ALL THE KIDS KILLED BY ICE CREAM TRUCKS?
Idiot  :-X
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 07:52:14 AM
THE DESIRE TO HAVE A GUN SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY EXCUSE YOU FROM OWNING ONE...
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: XFACTOR on February 23, 2018, 07:54:08 AM
True but its not an argument its a conversation and something has to be done its a fucked up world and for anyone in there 40s and 50s on here it was never like this when we were in school I guess im open to anything to protect kids ive seen crazy shit around the world and to see it going on here it makes me nuts..

It's an overpopulated society lol. With the right and left to blame, need to meet in the middle somehwere.  

Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: XFACTOR on February 23, 2018, 07:56:08 AM
THE DESIRE TO HAVE A GUN SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY EXCUSE YOU FROM OWNING ONE...

I hate guns and see no need for one myself, albeit this statement is stupid man. Do you eat meat? Some people prefer to hunt their own with a gun. That is ok in my book.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Rambone on February 23, 2018, 07:57:42 AM
TELL THAT TO THE 18 SCHOOLS THAT WENT THROUGH IT THIS YEAR ALONE THATS ALOT OF GOOD HUMOR TRUCKS ASSHOLE
YEA ALL CAPS  >:(



I’ll let my Jew friend handle this one
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Eric2 on February 23, 2018, 08:15:39 AM
When I went to school at least 1/2 of the teachers where prior military. Would be easy back then, maybe not so easy today. Most teachers today have a different mindset. I am not opposed to the idea as so.ething needs to change. I am all for a military style gate system surrounding each and every school with armed officers at each entry way. Yes it will slow things down as far as school entry but until the core family values correct themselves and mental health and hospitals for crazy people are reopened I do not foresee a change.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Dave D on February 23, 2018, 08:21:14 AM
Are we also arming the the teachers who have sex with the students? Or is there a different plan in place for those teachers?
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: loco on February 23, 2018, 08:22:46 AM
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: XFACTOR on February 23, 2018, 08:23:46 AM
Are we also arming the the teachers who have sex with the students? Or is there a different plan in place for those teachers?

Yes this will enable them to do it with less resistance
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 08:28:00 AM
I hate guns and see no need for one myself, albeit this statement is stupid man. Do you eat meat? Some people prefer to hunt their own with a gun. That is ok in my book.

its actually a joke which is self fulfilling.

Its not meant to be taken seriously, you can apply it to anything.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 08:32:53 AM
Are we also arming the the teachers who have sex with the students? Or is there a different plan in place for those teachers?
Well as we say in the service " this is my rifle this is my gun this is for shooting this one for fun''
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: ilalin on February 23, 2018, 08:48:07 AM
Yep, it’s only common sense

No, common sense is to ban all guns, old fart. But since people are obsessed with guns, it's not going to happen.
I wish we had enough people obsessed with anabolics...NSA-National Steroid Association.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 09:19:35 AM
No, common sense is to ban all guns, old fart. But since people are obsessed with guns, it's not going to happen.
I wish we had enough people obsessed with anabolics...NSA-National Steroid Association.
THIS
Gun laws in Japan are some of the strictest in the entire world. There are laws against owning a gun, owning bullets, and discharging a firearm. Basically, any sort of interaction with guns is illegal in Japan, unless you’re licensed, or with the police or military.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: residue on February 23, 2018, 09:26:29 AM
Yep, it’s only common sense

what's common sense about overworked teachers making 40k a year unnecessarily putting their lives in danger? this is entirely fucking stupid
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: funk51 on February 23, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
when i went to school in the 60's , lots of teachers had guns in their desks lot of them had bottles of booze too.. they just didn't make a big deal of it then. for discipline problems they used to use a baseball bat on you then, thank god they didn't have metal bats yet.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Skylge on February 23, 2018, 09:47:41 AM
Teachers should carry handgranades. Just to be sure    ;D

If all teachers carry a consealed revolver, kids will have to bring an AK-47 to the party....
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: chuckles on February 23, 2018, 10:08:05 AM
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT ... If the teachers chosen go through military or police handling of a weapon then hell yes...
I have two boys in high school and I cant be with them all day im in a good area upstate NY but shit can happen anywhere.
As a former marine I taught my oldest how to shoot he knows and respects hand guns so he can take apart a fire arm clean and shoot if the time called for it..
:)
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: stuntmovie on February 23, 2018, 10:41:22 AM
DAN, Semper Fi!

I'm no expert whe it come to arming civilians but arming teachers would mean arming each teacher in every classroom.

And the way I'm seeing the world today ... that could possibly lead to teachers starting an armed conflict amongst themselves for a number of various reasons.

Or even shooting a student who failed to turn in his homwork or cannot conjugate an English sentence or understand the correct use of capital letters.

I personally think it would be more appropriate to simply hire well trained and well armed security personnel who would be sanctioned to kill if and when necessary.

Add to the above:

Better gun control.
Make the gun owner also responsible.
Hold the parents accountable in appropriate situations.
Immediate death sentence if found guilty.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: robcguns on February 23, 2018, 10:43:13 AM
Best thing teachers could do is carry a gun.Ive been saying it for years.All the people against it saying no more guns cause it’s the problem are idiots.You can’t fix crazy with medicines or therapy.crazy will always do what crazy does so be ready and take care of it.

Although I say one armed military member would be better per school.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 10:43:55 AM
what's common sense about overworked teachers making 40k a year unnecessarily putting their lives in danger? this is entirely fucking stupid
Try again $56,610 was the average salary for a public school . The average salaries ranged from $40,023 in South Dakota to $76,409 in New York.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: stuntmovie on February 23, 2018, 10:49:14 AM
And 3 months off with pay????
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: LittleJ on February 23, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
Yep, it’s only common sense

Because Lord Trump says so? ::)
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2018, 11:20:37 AM
Bout time
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 11:21:59 AM
Hopefully all this discussion of arming teachers just won’t go anywhere.  Passing legislation in Congress to fund arming teachers (and doing nothing else such as backround checks and restricting assault rifles) would be so controversial that it would break the issue wide open with the general public. But maybe that would be a good thing.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 23, 2018, 11:39:48 AM


I’ll let my Jew friend handle this one

I watched this video recently.  Liberals hate the truth.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: dan18 on February 23, 2018, 11:52:14 AM
DAN, Semper Fi!

I'm no expert whe it come to arming civilians but arming teachers would mean arming each teacher in every classroom.

And the way I'm seeing the world today ... that could possibly lead to teachers starting an armed conflict amongst themselves for a number of various reasons.

Or even shooting a student who failed to turn in his homwork or cannot conjugate an English sentence or understand the correct use of capital letters.

I personally think it would be more appropriate to simply hire well trained and well armed security personnel who would be sanctioned to kill if and when necessary.

Add to the above:

Better gun control.
Make the gun owner also responsible.
Hold the parents accountable in appropriate situations.
Immediate death sentence if found guilty.

Very rare when they don't already take there own lives ...it should be the same as a terrorist act but no matter what sentence it brings when your not in the right state of mind nothing will stop you ...
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 11:59:39 AM
Very rare when they don't already take there own lives ...it should be the same as a terrorist act but no matter what sentence it brings when your not in the right state of mind nothing will stop you ...

so arming teachers wont even act as a deterrent...
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on February 23, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Seems like a huge overreaction to a rare occurrence.  Costly, impractical, and likely ineffective

School shootings are just an unpleasant side effect of the free access to guns.  Some gun owners will misuse their weapons, that's just a fact.  If you don't want to deal w that move to a country with less guns.  Can't have it both ways

Me?  I don't care, that's why I live in the US of A  8)
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: K A N N I B A L on February 23, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
you have more chance of getting run over by an ice cream van than getting shot in school.

STFU about guns..


Bullshit
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on February 23, 2018, 12:06:35 PM

Bullshit

It's true

How many deaths from school shootings each year?  Hint: not many
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: K A N N I B A L on February 23, 2018, 12:10:55 PM
It's true

How many deaths from school shootings each year?  Hint: not many

Really...18 in one days fk all eh? There were what, 19 by ice cream trucks that?

What a sad state of a country when your citizens are so fkd up and easily armed, they're talking about soldier teachers now.
Cant recall the last school shooting here....you guys are 2months in and what, 20?
What a paradise
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 12:12:49 PM
Really...18 in one days fk all eh? There were what, 19 by ice cream trucks that?

What a sad state of a country when your citizens are so fkd up and easily armed, they're talking about soldier teachers now.
Cant recall the last school shooting here....you guys are 2months in and what, 20?
What a paradise

add them over the year you moron, there isnt a school attack every day but I bet a child is knocked down every day
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mazrim on February 23, 2018, 12:13:02 PM
Really...18 in one days fk all eh? There were what, 19 by ice cream trucks that?

What a sad state of a country when your citizens are so fkd up and easily armed, they're talking about soldier teachers now.
Cant recall the last school shooting here....you guys are 2months in and what, 20?
What a paradise
Where are you from?
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Conker on February 23, 2018, 12:15:11 PM
yes arm the teachers....what could possibly go wrong!?

you people are so stupid it's painful
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: K A N N I B A L on February 23, 2018, 12:15:49 PM
add them over the year you moron, there isnt a school attack every day but I bet a child is knocked down every day

Really....sorry old guy you pulled th bullshit stat out, show is us your source.
And yeh not everyday....every third day so far this year.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: K A N N I B A L on February 23, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
yes arm the teachers....what could possibly go wrong!?

you people are so stupid it's painful


Look who they elected and worship...any wonder.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 12:24:40 PM
Ridiculously stupid idea which 95% of teachers will oppose. Armed security guards and police presence put the guns in the hands of people who have the right job responsibilities and training.

Yeah, this police and security guards typically have no idea the finer point to marksmanship..I shoot 4 times a week for competition practice and all of my police friends(including feds) shoot 1 time a year! And it’s only for their agencies annual qualification!

The idea that they are shooters is ridiculous

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 12:57:07 PM
Florida Governor Scott proposal just now. Will the Florida legislature pass it?

1. Raise the age of purchase of guns to 21. You still can purchase any type of gun including assault rifles
2. $450 million for additional “resource officers” (armed cops) in Florida. If a district requests it, it sounds like some of this money could be used to arm teachers. Will districts want to do this? Probably not if they have any sense in their heads but who knows?
3. $50 million for mental health and caseworker coordination services
4. Florida “see something/say something” hotline
5. Stricter provisions for Florida judges and hearing officers to take guns away from certain high risk individuals.

Not sure about background check provisions. That’s probably more of under federal rather than state jurisdiction.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: residue on February 23, 2018, 01:00:12 PM
Try again $56,610 was the average salary for a public school . The average salaries ranged from $40,023 in South Dakota to $76,409 in New York.

well that changes everything, the extra $23 in south Dakota is gonna make all the difference. I'm sure teachers are lining up to get into a gunfight for 3 lattes
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
well that changes everything, the extra $23 in south Dakota is gonna make all the difference. I'm sure teachers are lining up to get into a gunfight for 3 lattes
What is the cost of living?

That might be pretty substantial pay

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 01:14:22 PM
Really...18 in one days fk all eh? There were what, 19 by ice cream trucks that?

What a sad state of a country when your citizens are so fkd up and easily armed, they're talking about soldier teachers now.
Cant recall the last school shooting here....you guys are 2months in and what, 20?
What a paradise


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/school-shootings-year-article-1.3821162
Quote
an. 3, St. Johns, Mich.

The first school shooting took place just three days into the new year, at East Olive Elementary School in St. Johns, Mich.

A 31-year-old man died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the former school’s parking lot.

Jan. 4, Seattle, Wash.

A gunshot was fired at the New Start High School in Seattle, Wash. The round entered an office window and ended up lodged in a three-ring binder. No one was injured.

Jan, 10 Sierra Vista, Ariz.

A teen was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound in a Coronado Elementary School bathroom.


Jan. 10, San Bernardino, Calif.

At least one shot was fired, shattering a California State University classroom window. No injuries were reported.

Jan. 10, Denison, Texas

A bullet was accidentally fired through a classroom wall at the Grayson College Criminal Justice Center. No one was injured.


Jan. 15, Marshall, Texas

Gunshots rang out on the Wiley College Campus in Marshall. A bullet went through a residential hall’s dorm room. No injuries were reported.

Jan. 20, Winston-Salem, N.C.

A Winston-Salem State University football player was shot and killed at an event at Wake Forest University.

Jan. 22, Italy, Texas

A teenage girl was wounded at Italy High school after a 16-year-old suspect opened fire with a semi-automatic hangun.

Jan. 22, Gentilly, La.

A shooting outside The NET Charter High School injured a 14-year-old boy.

Jan. 23, Benton, Ky.

Two people were killed and another 15 were shot at Marshall County High School.

Jan. 25, Mobile, Ala.

Murphy High School student Jonah Neal fired a gun on campus. No one was injured.

Jan. 26, Dearborn, Mich.

Shots were fired from a car in Dearborn High School's parking lot. No injuries were reported.

Jan. 31, Pa.

Gunshots erupted as a fight broke out outside of Lincoln High School. A 32-year-old man was shot twice and later pronounced dead.

Feb. 1, Los Angeles, Calif.

An accidental shooting injured five children at the Salvador B. Castro Middle School in downtown Los Angeles.

Feb. 5, Oxon Hill, Md.

A teen was shot outside of Oxon Hill High School. The victim survived.


Feb. 5, Maplewood, Minn.

A third-grader pulled the trigger on a cop's gun, firing a shot at the Harmony Learning Center. No one was injured.

Feb. 8, New York, N.Y.

A teen was taken into custody after a shot was fired inside Metropolitan High School. No one was injured.

Feb. 14, Broward County, Fla.

A former student killed 17 people at Stoneman Douglas High.


 ???

Apart from the last one being a random shooting, they were either suicide or targeted attacks
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: loco on February 23, 2018, 01:17:12 PM
Officer resigns after failing to take action during Florida school shooting

Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: residue on February 23, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Officer resigns after failing to take action during Florida school shooting



retired with full benefits, not dead. meanwhile in 20 days when the next shooting occurs no one will remember his name
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: bigkid on February 23, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
I didn't really hear arming teachers.  It was more if teachers had concealed carry licenses, there would be additional training for them and they could carry on campus, there by eliminating the school as being a "gun free" zone.  I don't think it's about just giving guns to teachers, which would be a bad idea.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 01:39:28 PM
I didn't really hear arming teachers.  It was more if teachers had concealed carry licenses, there would be additional training for them and they could carry on campus, there by eliminating the school as being a "gun free" zone.  I don't think it's about just giving guns to teachers.

Really curious to see how many school boards and school superintendents will want concealed firearms at their schools. Seems like the school board attorneys would shit all over the very mention of it. Definitely will not happen in large urban school districts. Perhaps in smaller districts where there are particular trusted teachers. But how do you tell the goofball teachers they can’t carry if you let the trusted teachers carry? More work for the attorneys. They won’t want to deal with all the ramifications of it.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
I didn't really hear arming teachers.  It was more if teachers had concealed carry licenses, there would be additional training for them and they could carry on campus, there by eliminating the school as being a "gun free" zone.  I don't think it's about just giving guns to teachers, which would be a bad idea.
We already have this in Texas, and just like open carry..no one really does it.

We offer free training for teachers who want to be part of this..and we typically get very few people. We do receive a lot of questions from teachers interested..but the follow through is weak..

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 02:02:49 PM
We already have this in Texas, and just like open carry..no one really does it.

We offer free training for teachers who want to be part of this..and we typically get very few people. We do receive a lot of questions from teachers interested..but the follow through is weak..

Bench

Available in all Texas school districts including large ones like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc? Or up to the individual district to do this or not?
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Available in all Texas school districts including large ones like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc? Or up to the individual district to do this or not?
It just went through Texas legislation not long ago for all schools in Texas..not sure if individual schools are making policies against it..but if I know my state, funding will disappear if the legislature isn’t followed

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 23, 2018, 02:16:44 PM
yes arm the teachers....what could possibly go wrong!?

you people are so stupid it's painful

Calling people stupid isn't an argument.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
Calling people stupid isn't an argument.
Well, it’s the only argument a liberal minded person has...all stupidity and anger...no logic

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: residue on February 23, 2018, 02:20:08 PM
Calling people stupid isn't an argument.
less of an argument and more of a statement of fact
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
It just went through Texas legislation not long ago for all schools in Texas..not sure if individual schools are making policies against it..but if I know my state, funding will disappear if the legislature isn’t followed

Bench

According to this article about 20 percent of Texas districts allow it and 80 percent either don’t allow it or have not got their program up and running yet. These statistics may change after Parkland. Texas is giving money but just for training, not for firearms. Interesting. Those attorneys and school boards are obviously comfortable with it. I bet it is smaller districts where everybody knows everybody, probably the least likely places for mass shootings.

https://amp.caller.com/amp/364677002
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 02:30:51 PM
According to this article about 20 percent of Texas districts allow it and 80 percent either don’t allow it or have not got their program up and running yet. These statistics may change after Parkland. Texas is giving money but just for training, not for firearms. Interesting. Those attorneys and school boards are obviously comfortable with it. I bet it is smaller districts where everybody knows everybody, probably the least likely places for mass shootings.

https://amp.caller.com/amp/364677002
No one is going to give out guns..he’ll, most police agencies don’t issue guns..they set a guideline and lets you pick your own..but you buy it

Every agency I have ever worked for federal or local has had an approved gun list..my current employers list is rather strange...

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mazrim on February 23, 2018, 02:53:26 PM
I didn't really hear arming teachers.  It was more if teachers had concealed carry licenses, there would be additional training for them and they could carry on campus, there by eliminating the school as being a "gun free" zone.  I don't think it's about just giving guns to teachers, which would be a bad idea.
Apparently, once you become a teacher you lose the ability to be able to conceal carry, know how to use a firearm, etc....Though, judging by common core maybe this is the case?
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Straw Man on February 23, 2018, 03:08:25 PM
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT ... If the teachers chosen go through military or police handling of a weapon then hell yes...
I have two boys in high school and I cant be with them all day im in a good area upstate NY but shit can happen anywhere.
As a former marine I taught my oldest how to shoot he knows and respects hand guns so he can take apart a fire arm clean and shoot if the time called for it..

Why should they be required to do any training in handling a weapon when any other person in this country can buy a gun with no training required at all

I don't see why them being around your kids (or anyone's kids) is a reason to require training 

Anyone who wants to carry a gun on campus should be allowed whether teacher, student, janitor or lunch lady

the more good guys with guns the safer we'll all be



Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Disgusted on February 23, 2018, 03:11:25 PM
DAN, Semper Fi!

I'm no expert whe it come to arming civilians but arming teachers would mean arming each teacher in every classroom.

And the way I'm seeing the world today ... that could possibly lead to teachers starting an armed conflict amongst themselves for a number of various reasons.

Or even shooting a student who failed to turn in his homwork or cannot conjugate an English sentence or understand the correct use of capital letters.


I personally think it would be more appropriate to simply hire well trained and well armed security personnel who would be sanctioned to kill if and when necessary.

Add to the above:

Better gun control.
Make the gun owner also responsible.
Hold the parents accountable in appropriate situations.
Immediate death sentence if found guilty.


Are you nuts? (bold in above)

Also,

Better gun control. Ah and just how do you propose this?

Make the gun owner also responsible. and if your gun is stolen?

Hold the parents accountable in appropriate situations. And what appropriate situation would this be?

Immediate death sentence if found guilty. Fine with me but most kill themselves anyway and this doesn't being back the victims.


Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: K A N N I B A L on February 23, 2018, 04:53:14 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/school-shootings-year-article-1.3821162

 ???

Apart from the last one being a random shooting, they were either suicide or targeted attacks

Relevance to your statement on ice cream trucks killing more ppl per year? Zero
Lets use last week as a once off. 18 ppl dead.....let's ignore the dozens more
Show me where your data says more than 18 ppl are killed in the US per year by ice cream trucks.
You made the statement. Should be easy to back it up unlesa you pulled it out of your ass.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: mphgrove on February 23, 2018, 05:17:04 PM
I’m still 100 percent against it but lots of details have been worked out in Texas. Here is what I have learned about how the School Marshal part of the legislation works:

1. School districts can opt in or opt out of having school marshals, teachers armed under conceal/carry provisions. Looks like most have opted out, especially larger districts.
2. Any marshal must have written permission from the district. Teachers cannot just willy nilly conceal carry.
3. Training and psych evaluation is required for the marshals.
4. In many districts, it appears that it may be a secret as to who the marshals are (except to the principal and other administrators) but I bet the word gets out.
5. In the initial training programs, it DOES seem like the state of Texas gave the teachers their guns. Not sure if this is still the case.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: AbrahamG on February 23, 2018, 06:11:18 PM
I hate guns and see no need for one myself, albeit this statement is stupid man. Do you eat meat? Some people prefer to hunt their own with a gun. That is ok in my book.

I find this to be bullshit in most cases.  All these fucking hunters aren't having their kills butchered.  I'm sure some do.  For many if not most, it's about killing something living.  Could be small penis syndrome.  Could be remorse of being too much of a pussy to join the service when they had the chance.  I'm sick of giving hunters a pass.  Deer meat tastes like shit.  Sure if you grind it into chili and season it and mask it with all kinds of other shit it can taste ok at first but as you continue to eat it, the gaminess breaks through.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on February 23, 2018, 06:37:34 PM
Relevance to your statement on ice cream trucks killing more ppl per year? Zero
Lets use last week as a once off. 18 ppl dead.....let's ignore the dozens more
Show me where your data says more than 18 ppl are killed in the US per year by ice cream trucks.
You made the statement. Should be easy to back it up unlesa you pulled it out of your ass.

Lol stay mad bitch  ;D
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: chaos on February 23, 2018, 07:03:49 PM
you have more chance of getting run over by an ice cream van than getting shot in school.

STFU about guns..
Your input is important to us, please hold while we forward your opinion to the proper department.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: muscleman-2017 on February 23, 2018, 10:46:51 PM
I have been in this situation as well, with a rifle accessible to me.  You know what I did, ran and hid.

A common mistake of cowards, is to assume that everyone else is a coward.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: muscleman-2017 on February 23, 2018, 10:50:53 PM
THIS
Gun laws in Japan are some of the strictest in the entire world. There are laws against owning a gun, owning bullets, and discharging a firearm. Basically, any sort of interaction with guns is illegal in Japan, unless you’re licensed, or with the police or military.


Japan is a TERRIBLE example.  It is a homogeneous society made up of high IQ law abiding citizens who have not been blasted with soul destroying propaganda since birth.  Who have not had their culture and traditions and moral values decimated by a filthy European hating JEW MEDIA.  And thus they are not a nation of mentally disturbed wackos on psych meds (which America is).
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: be back on February 23, 2018, 11:04:49 PM
A common mistake of cowards, is to assume that everyone else is a coward.

nope, the common mistake with almost all gun owners is they think they could shoot someone...
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: benchmstr on February 23, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
nope, the common mistake with almost all gun owners is they think they could shoot someone...
There are some who simply can’t..it takes a lot of training for others...some simply wake up early for it..that isn’t the big picture though

Shooting in combat under stress is different than shooting at paper leisurely..it takes a lot of training for anyone to shoot effectively during a situation like this

Bench
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: ratherbebig on February 24, 2018, 02:17:25 AM
so what if theyre getting older

their robots will take care of them
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: Conker on February 24, 2018, 05:33:56 AM
teachers/swat teams  :D


the US no doubt has some of the world's elite minds but the general population has to be by far the dumbest you will find anywhere on the planet.
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: muscleman-2017 on February 24, 2018, 05:37:59 AM



the US no doubt has some of the world's elite minds but the general population has to be by far the dumbest you will find anywhere on the planet.
 

not really

you must be thinking of your own ancestral homeland when you say that
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: werewolf operative on February 24, 2018, 05:59:05 AM
teachers/swat teams  :D


the US no doubt has some of the world's elite minds but the general population has to be by far the dumbest you will find anywhere on the planet.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/bb094b56c4749d83d33727b2219dbb58/tumblr_p4nqm9cMur1x6pe72o1_540.jpg)

Sure mate...

Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: werewolf operative on February 24, 2018, 07:18:11 AM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/7aab2954e8f6d028872a2f10175effbe/tumblr_p4nu2veJve1x6pe72o1_540.jpg)
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/1e6d312108464313dec57d786b7b35e7/tumblr_p4nuh3qTYr1x6pe72o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: BSN on February 24, 2018, 08:47:47 AM
 :D
Title: Re: TEACHERS WITH CONCEALED GUN
Post by: funk51 on February 24, 2018, 01:40:26 PM
welcome to trumpamerika.