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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-over-oap-held-killing-12306173
Friends and neighbours have spoken out in support of the man held on suspicion of stabbing a burglar to death , saying: “He was just protecting himself.”
The 78-year-old murder suspect, named locally as Richard Osborn-Brooks, was in bed with his wife when he heard two men breaking into his house at 12.45am yesterday.
It is believed the ex-RAC manager went downstairs to investigate before one of the raiders threatened him with a screwdriver and marched him into the kitchen.
As the other was looking around upstairs, a struggle broke out and the alleged intruder, aged 38, suffered a stab wound to the upper body.
Both alleged burglars then fled the home in Hither Green, South East London, before neighbours spotted them trying to escape.
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I got half way through and realized this could not have happened in the U.S.
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I got half way through and realized this could not have happened in the U.S.
yep....only the UK is fucked like this
the news this morning was interviews with people who found the dying burglar and how much he must have suffered...
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yep....only the UK is fucked like this
There was an old man from over here than had his house broken into more than once by two teens who were boyfriend and girlfriend. They kinda harassed this guy on purpose. So when it happened like the 4th time he shot them dead while he caught them in his basement. The problem was he filmed it and he shot the guy a second time while he laid there begging him not to shot him again. The girl was dead from the first shot. He got life for that. I would have given him a medal.
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There was an old man from over here than had his house broken into more than once by two teens who were boyfriend and girlfriend. They kinda harassed this guy on purpose. So when it happened like the 4th time he shot them dead while he caught them in his basement. The problem was he filmed it and he shot the guy a second time while he laid there begging him not to shot him again. The girl was dead from the first shot. He got life for that. I would have given him a medal.
I remember that....
the things people will do these to get lies on FB...
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This country is fucked up, burgling is the fucking lowest of low, barely a step up from pedo or rapist, if your scummy enough to enter someone’s property with the intention to steal shit they worked for you should sacrifice any human right and should be put out of your miserable existence.
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if he stabbed the burglar in the house he'll be fine, legally. if it turns out he followed them outside and the stabbing took place outside the house, he's fked.
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if he stabbed the burglar in the house he'll be fine, legally. if it turns out he followed them outside and the stabbing took place outside the house, he's fked.
It'd be rather difficult to "flee the house" if you're already outside of it, but then again who knows if the report is 100% accurate in saying that.
And the other was upstairs, meaning the homeowner's wife was under immediate threat.
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So, Conker. Is it that knives are a necessary kitchen tool, as to why you don't call for them to be banned?
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who broke in? 2 shitskins ? then of course he will charged with murder and get life
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It'd be rather difficult to "flee the house" if you're already outside of it, but then again who knows if the report is 100% accurate in saying that.
And the other was upstairs, meaning the homeowner's wife was under immediate threat.
immediate media reports following incidents like this tend to be sketchy. the stabbed burglar was apparently found outside of the house. so there's the possibility that the stabbing may have occurred outside of the house. as it happens the 78 year old dude has since been bailed by police without charge pending further enquiries.
if they seriously suspected him of murder it's highly unlikely that he'd have been bailed so quickly if at all. obviously given that there's a dead body involved, as most rational people would expect the police have to go through the standard investigations and formalities i.e arresting whoever did the stabbing getting their side of the story etc before deciding what action to take. of course that won't stop the usual morons from being outraged by "the fked up legal system" ...
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So, Conker. Is it that knives are a necessary kitchen tool, as to why you don't call for them to be banned?
yes, pretty much.
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yes, pretty much.
Considering all the modern processing ability our industries now have, do you think it'd be unreasonable to have our food and other items sold as cut? Meaning that it's done in a controlled environment, rarely having a need for the customer's direction anyway (hardware stores and fabric shops, for instance, we already have someone else to do the cutting for us).
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If commiting burglary were banned this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
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Considering all the modern processing ability our industries now have, do you think it'd be unreasonable to have our food and other items sold as cut? Meaning that it's done in a controlled environment, rarely having a need for the customer's direction anyway (hardware stores and fabric shops, for instance, we already have someone else to do the cutting for us).
yes it's a good idea. you should try and patent it. ;)
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Considering all the modern processing ability our industries now have, do you think it'd be unreasonable to have our food and other items sold as cut? Meaning that it's done in a controlled environment, rarely having a need for the customer's direction anyway (hardware stores and fabric shops, for instance, we already have someone else to do the cutting for us).
Isn't most of our food pre cut anyway? Outside of produce and meat products what do you need to cut with a knife? The edge of a fork or spoon is sharp enough to cut most food items.
Knives are essentially vanity items.
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immediate media reports following incidents like this tend to be sketchy. the stabbed burglar was apparently found outside of the house. so there's the possibility that the stabbing may have occurred outside of the house. as it happens the 78 year old dude has since been bailed by police without charge pending further enquiries.
if they seriously suspected him of murder it's highly unlikely that he'd have been bailed so quickly if at all. obviously given that there's a dead body involved, as most rational people would expect the police have to go through the standard investigations and formalities i.e arresting whoever did the stabbing getting their side of the story etc before deciding what action to take. of course that won't stop the usual morons from being outraged by "the fked up legal system" ...
Do you mean actually arresting him, or asking him to voluntarily come in with them?
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immediate media reports following incidents like this tend to be sketchy. the stabbed burglar was apparently found outside of the house. so there's the possibility that the stabbing may have occurred outside of the house. as it happens the 78 year old dude has since been bailed by police without charge pending further enquiries.
if they seriously suspected him of murder it's highly unlikely that he'd have been bailed so quickly if at all. obviously given that there's a dead body involved, as most rational people would expect the police have to go through the standard investigations and formalities i.e arresting whoever did the stabbing getting their side of the story etc before deciding what action to take. of course that won't stop the usual morons from being outraged by "the fked up legal system" ...
Good grief you are retarded.
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Isn't most of our food pre cut anyway? Outside of produce and meat products what do you need to cut with a knife? The edge of a fork or spoon is sharp enough to cut most food items.
Knives are essentially vanity items.
Shouldn't be much trouble to get this finalized, then, and with the urgency it requires.
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yes it's a good idea. you should try and patent it. ;)
We already have what's needed to do it, though. Just waiting for a law is all. Simple.
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What of the fact it appears to be a knife that allowed the couple to go unhurt, though? How's that fit into the plan?
Damnit, I want to ban them anyway. That's all there is to it.
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Seriously, you know all the "urgency" about taking restrictive action on something is because such things are rarely if ever able to be reversed. Once done, it's done. The ground has been taken.
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Is it routine in the UK for police to arrest everyone that is involved in something like this? As people have mentioned, in the US it is typical that without extenuating circumstances, the person would be taken in for a statement but not arrested.
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Is it routine in the UK for police to arrest everyone that is involved in something like this? As people have mentioned, in the US it is typical that without extenuating circumstances, the person would be taken in for a statement but not arrested.
i wouldn't say it's routine to arrest "everyone involved". but i would say in most circumstances the person/s suspected of landing the fatal blow will be arrested on suspicion. but it is just that "suspicion" what comes to light after that will dictate whether or not any charges are brought.
tbh it's better that way as once you're formally arrested you're afforded all the legal rights of someone suspected of a crime, like access to legal counsel and so on. so it protects all parties really.
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i wouldn't say it's routine to arrest "everyone involved". but i would say in most circumstances the person/s suspected of landing the fatal blow will be arrested on suspicion. but it is just that "suspicion" what comes to light after that will dictate whether or not any charges are brought.
tbh it's better that way as once you're formally arrested you're afforded all the legal rights of someone suspected of a crime, like access to legal counsel and so on. so it protects all parties really.
That may be but for sake of argument, lets say I am home and burglars break in and I end up shooting one with his own gun during the struggle. The odds are pretty high that i won't be charged or convicted but I was arrested. I'm potentially going to miss work, certainly will have to hire a criminal lawyer, and have an arrest on my record. While I appreciate the thought of trying to protect me, who is going to reimburse me for lost wages and attorney fees when I am clearly innocent?
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That may be but for sake of argument, lets say I am home and burglars break in and I end up shooting one with his own gun during the struggle. The odds are pretty high that i won't be charged or convicted but I was arrested. I'm potentially going to miss work, certainly will have to hire a criminal lawyer, and have an arrest on my record. While I appreciate the thought of trying to protect me, who is going to reimburse me for lost wages and attorney fees when I am clearly innocent?
so when the police turn up and find a stabbed dead man they're supposed to make an on the spot judgement call that you're "clearly innocent" ,take the dead body away and just let you get on with with your business ? the law doesn't really work that way in the UK. also if you've been formally arrested you're entitled to a duty(free) solicitor, unless you want to hire your own.
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so when the police turn up and find a stabbed dead man they're supposed to make an on the spot judgement call that you're "clearly innocent" ,take the dead body away and just let you get on with with your business ? the law doesn't really work that way in the UK. also if you've been formally arrested you're entitled to a duty(free) solicitor, unless you want to hire your own.
When there is a breaking and entering and the perp is dead it's not rocket science and good thing because you and the police would, oh wait you already are. ::) Carry on
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so when the police turn up and find a stabbed dead man they're supposed to make an on the spot judgement call that you're "clearly innocent" ,take the dead body away and just let you get on with with your business ? the law doesn't really work that way in the UK. also if you've been formally arrested you're entitled to a duty(free) solicitor, unless you want to hire your own.
Yeah I'm not up on the UK rules. Here, in similar circumstances, if there is no Probable Cause to believe a crime was committed by the Homeowner, the homeowner and any witnesses would be brought down to the station and interviewed. If there is no surprises they would be brought back home and the investigation would run its course. If at some point, information or evidence comes to light that all wasn't as it seemed and the homeowner is now a suspect the police would present the evidence to a judge who would then determine of probable cause exists to issue a warrant. At that point you would be advised of your rights and if you can't afford an attorney, and you have to show you can't then a pretty lousy public defender would be assigned to your case.
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When there is a breaking and entering and the perp is dead it's not rocket science and good thing because you and the police would, oh wait you already are. ::) Carry on
firstly, how do the police even know there was a break in? ....oh right because you told them so...people never make sht up to get themselves out trouble do they ::) lol
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firstly, how do the police even know there was a break in? ....oh right because you told them so...people never make sht up to get themselves out trouble do they ::) lol
There certainly could be a time when someone goes to the trouble of creating the illusion of a break in in order to commit a murder but it is probably so rare that it probably isn't going to be a factor. Arresting someone out of their home simply because there is a .001 chance they set up a murder doesn't seem logical to me. but I don't live there. Don't forget, as the investigation continues, there is always the option of making an arrest. I prefer it be when it is likely or reasonable the person deserves it
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Yeah I'm not up on the UK rules. Here, in similar circumstances, if there is no Probable Cause to believe a crime was committed by the Homeowner, the homeowner and any witnesses would be brought down to the station and interviewed. If there is no surprises they would be brought back home and the investigation would run its course. If at some point, information or evidence comes to light that all wasn't as it seemed and the homeowner is now a suspect the police would present the evidence to a judge who would then determine of probable cause exists to issue a warrant. At that point you would be advised of your rights and if you can't afford an attorney, and you have to show you can't then a pretty lousy public defender would be assigned to your case.
a dead man and an admission that you shot him wouldn't at least qualify as "probable cause"?
if you're going to "brought down to the station" as i said in my previous post you're better off being arrested as you then have far greater protections and rights. arrests do not go on your record in the UK, even if charges are brought. only convictions go on your record.
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a dead man and an admission that you shot him wouldn't at least qualify as "probable cause"?
if you're going to "brought down to the station" as i said in my previous post you're better off being arrested as you then have far greater protections and rights. arrests do not go on your record in the UK, even if charges are brought. only convictions go on your record.
hahaha , do you seriously think if you get picked up the polce cant find out if you have had previous arrests.
EVERYTHING goes down somewhere, it may not be something a potential employer can find but it exists all the same.
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There certainly could be a time when someone goes to the trouble of creating the illusion of a break in in order to commit a murder but it is probably so rare that it probably isn't going to be a factor. Arresting someone out of their home simply because there is a .001 chance they set up a murder doesn't seem logical to me. but I don't live there. Don't forget, as the investigation continues, there is always the option of making an arrest. I prefer it be when it is likely or reasonable the person deserves it
the police in the UK (and quite rightly so imo) aren't trained to make assumptions when they turn up to an incident involving a shot/stabbed dead body. maybe because people being killed is much more common in the US there's a more blase approach from US police.
there's a ton of different scenarios that could have transpired. the best course of action in most cases like this is to arrest on suspicion as they did in this instance. as said already this gives the proper protection to all parties. they seem to have dealt with this in a text book manner and the guy has been released without charge after a few hours.
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There's an episode of Columbo where a woman steals her brothers keys so he has to come in the sliding window to her bedroom and she thinks he is a burglar and shoots him. But it was a set up by her so she could inherit the family business.
Columbo saw right threw her dastardly plan so maybe the investigating cops were thinking along the same lines.
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hahaha , do you seriously think if you get picked up the polce cant find out if you have had previous arrests.
EVERYTHING goes down somewhere, it may not be something a potential employer can find but it exists all the same.
the police can see if you've been arrested but they cannot legally pass that information on to ANYONE ELSE unless there was a conviction . hence (as i said) it doesn't go on your record. hahaha ::)
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There's an episode of Columbo where a woman steals her brothers keys so he has to come in the sliding window to her bedroom and she thinks he is a burglar and shoots him. But it was a set up by her so she could inherit the family business.
Columbo saw right threw her dastardly plan so maybe the investigating cops were thinking along the same lines.
there's not just the possibility of someone claiming a false break in (which is a possibility) . there's also the chance that the burglar could have been trying to make an exit when the homeowner stabbed him...which would weaken a self defence claim....
if you all try use your brains a bit here , you'll probably work out why the police took the course of action they did. which was the right course of action.
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There's an episode of Columbo where a woman steals her brothers keys so he has to come in the sliding window to her bedroom and she thinks he is a burglar and shoots him. But it was a set up by her so she could inherit the family business.
Columbo saw right threw her dastardly plan so maybe the investigating cops were thinking along the same lines.
almost all Columbos gotchas would never stand up in court...
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the police can see if you've been arrested but they cannot legally pass that information onto ANYONE ELSE unless there was a conviction . hence (as i said) it doesn't go on your record. hahaha ::)
depends on what you define as "record"
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depends on what you define as "record"
well what do you define "record" as in the context of this discussion?
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well what do you define "record" as in the context of this discussion?
context?
hahaha.. fuck off...have you forgot where you are?
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context?
hahaha.. fuck off...have you forgot where you are?
or who he is...
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context?
hahaha.. fuck off...have you forgot where you are?
don't know where you are but i'm in my front room...and the word "context" definitely still exists here!
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or who he is...
and who are you exactly...oh yeh you're that guy stuck on here every hour god sends. lol
...have a life much?
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Apparently GB has found its very own Perry Mason.
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Let the pensioner go
And give him a medal
Don’t go breaking into peoples houses
Or accept your fate.
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there's not just the possibility of someone claiming a false break in (which is a possibility) . there's also the chance that the burglar could have been trying to make an exit when the homeowner stabbed him...which would weaken a self defence claim....
if you all try use your brains a bit here , you'll probably work out why the police took the course of action they did. which was the right course of action.
I guess that's how they do it in the UK. In America, police don't just arrest people because it is the easy thing to do
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I guess that's how they do it in the UK. In America, police don't just arrest people because it is the easy thing to do
True — no no they don’t
They just shoot them dead out fear for their lives !! :o
Ha, sorry I couldn’t resist it.
Back to being serious now.
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True — no no they don’t
They just shoot them dead out fear for their lives !! :o
Ha, sorry I couldn’t resist it.
Back to being serious now.
touche' but even I have to flinch at someone like conker who things its best to arrest someone without probable cause to protect them...
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-over-oap-held-killing-12306173
Friends and neighbours have spoken out in support of the man held on suspicion of stabbing a burglar to death , saying: “He was just protecting himself.”
The 78-year-old murder suspect, named locally as Richard Osborn-Brooks, was in bed with his wife when he heard two men breaking into his house at 12.45am yesterday.
It is believed the ex-RAC manager went downstairs to investigate before one of the raiders threatened him with a screwdriver and marched him into the kitchen.
As the other was looking around upstairs, a struggle broke out and the alleged intruder, aged 38, suffered a stab wound to the upper body.
Both alleged burglars then fled the home in Hither Green, South East London, before neighbours spotted them trying to escape.
Killed the guy over a TV ? I hope that old piece of shit rots in jail.
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Killed the guy over a TV ? I hope that old piece of shit rots in jail.
are you being serious?
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Killed the guy over a TV ? I hope that old piece of shit rots in jail.
At the very least, he should at least be charged with 2nd degree murder.
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Killed the guy over a TV ? I hope that old piece of shit rots in jail.
I can't find where he "killed the man over a TV" and again, are we talking about the guy who broke into a persons house?
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At the very least, he should at least be charged with 2nd degree murder.
WTF?
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Killed the guy over a TV ? I hope that old piece of shit rots in jail.
YOU sir are the "piece of shit".
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At the very least, he should at least be charged with 2nd degree murder.
Oh lord. Spoken like a true hypocrite.
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YOU sir are the "piece of shit".
Still haven't found the source of those comments, but even still, anyone who decides to break into someones home with the intent to steal,,, if they are killed in the process... that's a good day
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He voice recorded it. After he shot them he executed them in cold blood with a shot under the chin. He also set the house up by pretending not to be home and lied in wait in the basement, then ambushed them. Then he kept the dead bodies for a day before calling cops.
Guys a psycho.
Here's the voice recording;
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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Still haven't found the source of those comments, but even still, anyone who decides to break into someones home with the intent to steal,,, if they are killed in the process... that's a good day
Agreed
Don’t go breaking into peoples Homes to rob them of their possessions
We should all have the right to defend ourselves/ our family/ our homes
To the nth degree From scumbags out to steal or cause us harm
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He voice recorded it. After he shot them he executed them in cold blood with a shot under the chin. He also set the house up by pretending not to be home and lied in wait in the basement, then ambushed them. Then he kept the dead bodies for a day before calling cops.
Guys a psycho.
Here's the voice recording;
How did he “set them up” it’s his house he can pretend to be in or out
Or what the Fcuk he likes it’s his house.
So the 2 who kept breaking in weren’t psychos ::)
Repeated breaking in & harassing him.
If they had kept out of his property they wouldn’t of got shot
As a criminal you have to be
1, Aware of the dangers of your crimes- from those you inflict your crimes on
2, Accept you could get caught - as above - or by LE & go to prison
3, Dont bleat about how you were wronged ::) while you were inflicting your crime on innocent person/s
4, Think about what your doing could the possible Cons out weigh the Pros
5, know what you are doing is wrong & Shut up if it doesn’t go how you expected
If you can’t deal with the above Don’t commit crime.
Simple
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I guess that's how they do it in the UK. In America, police don't just arrest people because it is the easy thing to do
it's not the "easy" thing to do. it's the correct thing to do to protect all parties, legally and given the gravity of the situation and potential legal consequences for the "stabber" in this case, it's even more important that the correct procedures were followed.
from what i see of the US a lot of the policing is pretty primitive. for instance, roadside sobriety tests where they get the driver to walk around or touch their nose and do all manner of stupid sht. for 50 years or so in the UK the sole roadside sobriety test has been the breathalyser.
also when you consider that US police kill nearly 1000 people a year compared to 4 or 5 a year in the UK, i think i prefer how the legal system works here tbh.
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it's not the "easy" thing to do. it's the correct thing to do to protect all parties, legally and given the gravity of the situation and potential legal consequences for the "stabber" in this case, it's even more important that the correct procedures were followed.
from what i see of the US a lot of the policing is pretty primitive. for instance, roadside sobriety tests where they get the driver to walk around or touch their nose and do all manner of stupid sht. for 50 years or so in the UK the sole roadside sobriety test has been the breathalyser.
also when you consider that US police kill nearly 1000 people a year compared to 4 or 5 a year in the UK, i think i prefer how the legal system works here tbh.
so that's around 1000 pieces of shit dead as opposed to 5, I fail to see how 5 is better?
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so that's around 1000 pieces of shit dead as opposed to 5, I fail to see how 5 is better?
well if you want the police to be judge, jury and executioner ....then i'm not surprised you wouldn't "see" what's better.
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well if you want the police to be judge, jury and executioner ....then i'm not surprised you wouldn't "see" what's better.
as a law abiding citizen who follows instructions from a cop your chances of being shot are almost zero.
I would have liked the cops to have shot and killed on the spot the two guys who cut off Lee Rigby's head, but Im sure you would prefer them being in jail at a huge expense to the tax payer.
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as a law abiding citizen who follows instructions from a cop your chances of being shot are almost zero.
I would have liked the cops to have shot and killed on the spot the two guys who cut off Lee Rigby's head, but Im sure you would prefer them being in jail at a huge expense to the tax payer.
i prefer a legal system in which the police arrest and the courts try and punish (where necessary) . anyway, you only have to look at the states for proof that capital punishment doesn't work.
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i prefer a legal system in which the police arrest and the courts try and punish (where necessary) . anyway, you only have to look at the states for proof that capital punishment doesn't work.
strawman alert...
totally irrelevant to the context, bearing in mind you seem to be such a stickler for context
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strawman alert...
totally irrelevant to the context, bearing in mind you seem to be such a stickler for context
not really, considering you expressed support for execution in your last post. ;)
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In the state i live in there are laws in place saying you can shoot anyone dead who forcibly enters your property and poses a physical threat, this includes your car.
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If anyone is illegally in your home, their intentions are not good, and property owners should have the right to kill such a person.
If a robber enters a property, they should know that they can be killed and if they survive there will be no mercy for them.
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i prefer a legal system in which the police arrest and the courts try and punish (where necessary) . anyway, you only have to look at the states for proof that capital punishment doesn't work.
It doesn't work because they do not carry out the sentence, they drag it out in the system for what seems generations. FTN. One appeal within a year of the verdict is enough. Then if the sentence stands, execution within that week. Did the perp give their victim(s) years of life or did they end them without a thought?
Liberals and their filthy ways are the cause of a great many of society's problems including the ineffectiveness of the death penalty.
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How do you guarantee a child abuser never hurts another child? By executing them. So capital punishment does work. Back to your Guardian newspaper and Jeremy Corbyn poster.
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Killed the guy over a TV ? I hope that old piece of shit rots in jail.
X2. Cantankerous old bastard. There's no way in hell a 78-year-old has a top-of-the-range television. I guarantee it was one of those giant CRT television sets with a built-in VHS player; hardly worth stabbing someone over. Possibly winding him or giving him a dead-leg at best, but it's likely he ran up to the poor guy and knifed him as he was struggling to hoist the fucking thing off the table.
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Use your brains like Conker, guys!
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How do you guarantee a child abuser never hurts another child? By executing them. So capital punishment does work. Back to your Guardian newspaper and Jeremy Corbyn poster.
;D
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X2. Cantankerous old bastard. There's no way in hell a 78-year-old has a top-of-the-range television. I guarantee it was one of those giant CRT television sets with a built-in VHS player; hardly worth stabbing someone over. Possibly winding him or giving him a dead-leg at best, but it's likely he ran up to the poor guy and knifed him as he was struggling to hoist the fucking thing off the table.
I don't know my neighbours 92 and got more mod cons and shit than me. This fuckers a real getbigger, still climbs on his roof and clears leaves off and shit! Hes 92!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't know my neighbours 92 and got more mod cons and shit than me. This fuckers a real getbigger, still climbs on his roof and clears leaves off and shit! Hes 92!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Age is just a number, genetics determine.... EVERYTHING
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play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Well said, good sir! ;D
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I don't know my neighbours 92 and got more mod cons and shit than me. This fuckers a real getbigger, still climbs on his roof and clears leaves off and shit! Hes 92!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's cut from a different cloth, Dazza. Just like us! It's been downhill ever since they locked up Ronnie and Reggie.
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Exactly, if 85 year old Reg and Ron were still around none of this filth would be running the East End.
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Breaking news.........No further action will be brought against the old man so fuck off you stinking Guardian reading do gooder pieces of shit, go hug a pedo to comfort yourself and go cry over the poor burglar wurlgar now fuck off before I cave your head in using one of your own beloved beige sandals.
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How do you guarantee a child abuser never hurts another child? By executing them. So capital punishment does work. Back to your Guardian newspaper and Jeremy Corbyn poster.
Bang on.
No one can argue that.
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X2. Cantankerous old bastard. There's no way in hell a 78-year-old has a top-of-the-range television. I guarantee it was one of those giant CRT television sets with a built-in VHS player; hardly worth stabbing someone over. Possibly winding him or giving him a dead-leg at best, but it's likely he ran up to the poor guy and knifed him as he was struggling to hoist the fucking thing off the table.
Nope. A big, low cabinet with record player on top. Hi-Fi sound, too. Lovely golden-threaded material over the speakers.
Lol, probably not too many TVs stolen back then. They'd take a drafthorse to move.
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Nope. A big, low cabinet with record player on top. Hi-Fi sound, too. Lovely golden-threaded material over the speakers.
Lol, probably not too many TVs stolen back then. They'd take a drafthorse to move.
Haha, definitely. I've an immense amount of admiration for the old-school burglars. Not only would you have to master correct lifting technique to avoid a slipped disc, but you'd also have to contend with some no-nonsense oddball like Tony Martin, rigging his fucking farmhouse up like something out of Home Alone and camping under the stairs with a pump-action, absolutely salivating at the chance to turn you into Stephen Hawking.
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Haha, definitely. I've an immense amount of admiration for the old-school burglars. Not only would you have to master correct lifting technique to avoid a slipped disc, but you'd also have to contend with some no-nonsense oddball like Tony Martin, rigging his fucking farmhouse up like something out of Home Alone and camping under the stairs with a pump-action, absolutely salivating at the chance to turn you into Stephen Hawking.
;D ;D ;D
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it's not the "easy" thing to do. it's the correct thing to do to protect all parties, legally and given the gravity of the situation and potential legal consequences for the "stabber" in this case, it's even more important that the correct procedures were followed.
from what i see of the US a lot of the policing is pretty primitive. for instance, roadside sobriety tests where they get the driver to walk around or touch their nose and do all manner of stupid sht. for 50 years or so in the UK the sole roadside sobriety test has been the breathalyser.
also when you consider that US police kill nearly 1000 people a year compared to 4 or 5 a year in the UK, i think i prefer how the legal system works here tbh.
1000 people? Well..yes. But there is also 14 million arrest per year, and from that 1000 dead is just about 0.5 ‰. Not quite same than UK? In USA there is per year 60 000 cases where criminal use gun against police. How about UK? In reality every fucking country should have law which allow you to defend your home by lethal force. Why? When burglar comes to your house, how exactly you could know if they will take your life among other things? It is kind of late afterwards, you know? Therefore you should have means and rights to protect your life, but in the UK and many other countries you haven't. It is perfectly OK to try to kill you, but if you use force to protect yourself and do harm to the criminal who try to kill you, you go to jail. How exactly that makes any sense?
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1000 people? Well..yes. But there is also 14 million arrest per year, and from that 1000 dead is just about 0.5 ‰. Not quite same than UK? In USA there is per year 60 000 cases where criminal use gun against police. How about UK? In reality every fucking country should have law which allow you to defend your home by lethal force. Why? When burglar comes to your house, how exactly you could know if they will take your life among other things? It is kind of late afterwards, you know? Therefore you should have means and rights to protect your life, but in the UK and many other countries you haven't. It is perfectly OK to try to kill you, but if you use force to protect yourself and do harm to the criminal who try to kill you, you go to jail. How exactly that makes any sense?
100 % correct.
There is no rational way to argue otherwise.
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1000 people? Well..yes. But there is also 14 million arrest per year, and from that 1000 dead is just about 0.5 ‰. Not quite same than UK? In USA there is per year 60 000 cases where criminal use gun against police. How about UK? In reality every fucking country should have law which allow you to defend your home by lethal force. Why? When burglar comes to your house, how exactly you could know if they will take your life among other things? It is kind of late afterwards, you know? Therefore you should have means and rights to protect your life, but in the UK and many other countries you haven't. It is perfectly OK to try to kill you, but if you use force to protect yourself and do harm to the criminal who try to kill you, you go to jail. How exactly that makes any sense?
well given the numbers you present there , having so many guns in society obviously isn't working out so well. guns are certainly not having the "protective" effect the gun nuts say they do.
there are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK. yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out.
the UK does have laws allowing you to protect your life, as evidenced by the pensioner in this case being released with no further action after a few hours of police questioning.
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well given the numbers you present there , having so many guns in society obviously isn't working out so well. guns are certainly not having the "protective" effect the gun nuts say they do.
there are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK. yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out.
the UK does have laws allowing you to protect your life, as evidenced by the pensioner in this case being released with no further action after a few hours of police questioning.
There are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK.
yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out
That’s Staggering difference by anyone’s standards
Alarmingly so
I’d like to hear how the American LE explain that huge
Level of discrepancy.
If you didn’t know better you’d think -
1, A 3rd world war torn country
2, A civil war going on
Likely they explain it by one word — Guns
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There are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK.
yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out
That’s Staggering difference by anyone’s standards
Alarmingly so
I’d like to hear how the American LE explain that huge
Level of discrepancy.
If you didn’t know better you’d think -
1, A 3rd world war torn country
2, A civil war going on
Likely they explain it by one word — Guns
well you'd think anyone with a modicum of common sense would quickly come to that conclusion . but it would seem at least half of the US is a common sense free zone
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well you'd think anyone with a modicum of common sense would quickly come to that conclusion . but it would seem at least half of the US is a common sense free zone
You’d think so.
Let’s see what the sensible intelligent replies
From our American friends
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If you could push a magic button and get rid of all the guns then you'd push it, but if you lived there you'd own one.
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If you could push a magic button and get rid of all the guns then you'd push it, but if you lived there you'd own one.
that's a bit of a cop out from "the greatest country in the world" ...."we have a big problem...but it's just too big to do anything about"
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How about we as a race of human beings quit playing "moral limbo"?
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well given the numbers you present there , having so many guns in society obviously isn't working out so well. guns are certainly not having the "protective" effect the gun nuts say they do.
there are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK. yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out.
the UK does have laws allowing you to protect your life, as evidenced by the pensioner in this case being released with no further action after a few hours of police questioning.
Here is more numbers to you: In USA there is per year only 1500 cases where citizen shoot to protect himself, and from that amount of shots, 20% of criminals are fatally wounded. Same time there is 2 -2.5 millions of crimes prevented only because presence of the gun. If guns doesn't have any protective effect, why those numbers are like they are? Because no one want to give their life for few bucks. Even criminals aren't so stupid, they choose to run if they see a gun, because that gives them a chance to try again with better luck..
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that's a bit of a cop out from "the greatest country in the world" ...."we have a big problem...but it's just too big to do anything about"
That's tipping points for you, and the place is toppled. I emigrated but retain citizenship.
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If you could push a magic button and get rid of all the guns then you'd push it, but if you lived there you'd own one.
And even if guns are banned criminals would still have them and get hold of them on the black market as they do already.
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And even if guns are banned criminals would still have them and get hold of them on the black market as they do already.
Right, that's why the magic button is magic and doesn't exist.
I take it that you agree that the problem isn't guns. It's people. Would that be accurate?
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Right, that's why the magic button is magic and doesn't exist.
I take it that you agree that the problem isn't guns. It's people. Would that be accurate?
I agree, banning guns will not solve anything.
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You seem a bit on the back foot. How about promoting gun ownership in places where it's banned?
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You seem a bit on the back foot. How about promoting gun ownership in places where it's banned?
In the US, criminals are going to have guns anyway.
In South Africa it's very difficult to get a firearm license, most civilians do not have weapons, but the murder rate is extremely high because criminals have illegal weapons.
So even if gun ownership is totally banned the result is criminals with guns and unarmed victims.
The guns are just smuggled in from neighboring countries.
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Yauh, I mean if your life is in peril you'd bloody well want to have a means of protiction at hand. Failing all else you'd have to go to the bleck market.
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Yauh, I mean if your life is in peril you'd bloody well want to have a means of protiction at hand. Failing all else you'd have to go to the bleck market.
are you south African?
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Yauh, I mean if your life is in peril you'd bloody well want to have a means of protiction at hand. Failing all else you'd have to go to the bleck market.
;D
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I agree, banning guns will not solve anything.
Not at all... Take them out of responsible peoples hands, gang bangers wont be turning theirs in...
Very dumb (demtard) argument... Look at Chicago for examples...