Pensioner kills burglar - now looking at murder charge

[be back]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-over-oap-held-killing-12306173

Friends and neighbours have spoken out in support of the man held on suspicion of stabbing a burglar to death , saying: “He was just protecting himself.”

The 78-year-old murder suspect, named locally as Richard Osborn-Brooks, was in bed with his wife when he heard two men breaking into his house at 12.45am yesterday.

It is believed the ex-RAC manager went downstairs to investigate before one of the raiders threatened him with a screwdriver and marched him into the kitchen.

As the other was looking around upstairs, a struggle broke out and the alleged intruder, aged 38, suffered a stab wound to the upper body.

Both alleged burglars then fled the home in Hither Green, South East London, before neighbours spotted them trying to escape.

[Disgusted]

I got half way through and realized this could not have happened in the U.S.

[be back]

I got half way through and realized this could not have happened in the U.S.

yep....only the UK is fucked like this

the news this morning was interviews with people who found the dying burglar and how much he must have suffered...

[Disgusted]

yep....only the UK is fucked like this

There was an old man from over here than had his house broken into more than once by two teens who were boyfriend and girlfriend. They kinda harassed this guy on purpose.  So when it happened like the 4th time he shot them dead while he caught them in his basement. The problem was he filmed it and he shot the guy a second time while he laid there begging him not to shot him again. The girl was dead from the first shot. He got life for that. I would have given him a medal.

[be back]

There was an old man from over here than had his house broken into more than once by two teens who were boyfriend and girlfriend. They kinda harassed this guy on purpose.  So when it happened like the 4th time he shot them dead while he caught them in his basement. The problem was he filmed it and he shot the guy a second time while he laid there begging him not to shot him again. The girl was dead from the first shot. He got life for that. I would have given him a medal.

I remember that....

the things people will do these to get lies on FB...

[Henda]

This country is fucked up, burgling is the fucking lowest of low, barely a step up from pedo or rapist, if your scummy enough to enter someone’s property with the intention to steal shit they worked for you should sacrifice any human right and should be put out of your miserable existence.

[Conker]

if he stabbed the burglar in the house he'll be fine, legally. if it turns out he followed them outside and the stabbing took place outside the house, he's fked.

[Las Vegas]

if he stabbed the burglar in the house he'll be fine, legally. if it turns out he followed them outside and the stabbing took place outside the house, he's fked.

It'd be rather difficult to "flee the house" if you're already outside of it, but then again who knows if the report is 100% accurate in saying that.

And the other was upstairs, meaning the homeowner's wife was under immediate threat.

[Las Vegas]

So, Conker.  Is it that knives are a necessary kitchen tool, as to why you don't call for them to be banned?

[Board_SHERIF]

who broke in? 2 shitskins ? then of course he will charged with murder and get life

[Conker]

It'd be rather difficult to "flee the house" if you're already outside of it, but then again who knows if the report is 100% accurate in saying that.

And the other was upstairs, meaning the homeowner's wife was under immediate threat.

immediate media reports following incidents like this tend to be sketchy. the stabbed burglar was apparently found outside of the house. so there's the possibility that the stabbing may have occurred outside of the house. as it happens the 78 year old dude has since been bailed by police without charge pending further enquiries.

if they seriously suspected him of murder it's highly unlikely that he'd have been bailed so quickly if at all. obviously given that there's a dead body involved, as most rational people would expect the police have to go through the standard investigations and formalities i.e arresting whoever did the stabbing getting their side of the story etc before deciding what action to take. of course that won't stop the usual morons from being outraged by "the fked up legal system" ...

[Conker]

So, Conker.  Is it that knives are a necessary kitchen tool, as to why you don't call for them to be banned?

yes, pretty much.

[Las Vegas]

yes, pretty much.

Considering all the modern processing ability our industries now have, do you think it'd be unreasonable to have our food and other items sold as cut?  Meaning that it's done in a controlled environment, rarely having a need for the customer's direction anyway (hardware stores and fabric shops, for instance, we already have someone else to do the cutting for us).

[Dave D]

If commiting burglary were banned this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

[Conker]

Considering all the modern processing ability our industries now have, do you think it'd be unreasonable to have our food and other items sold as cut?  Meaning that it's done in a controlled environment, rarely having a need for the customer's direction anyway (hardware stores and fabric shops, for instance, we already have someone else to do the cutting for us).

yes it's a good idea. you should try and patent it.

[Dave D]

Considering all the modern processing ability our industries now have, do you think it'd be unreasonable to have our food and other items sold as cut?  Meaning that it's done in a controlled environment, rarely having a need for the customer's direction anyway (hardware stores and fabric shops, for instance, we already have someone else to do the cutting for us).

Isn't most of our food pre cut anyway?  Outside of produce and meat products what do you need to cut with a knife?  The edge of a fork or spoon is sharp enough to cut most food items.

Knives are essentially vanity items.

[Las Vegas]

immediate media reports following incidents like this tend to be sketchy. the stabbed burglar was apparently found outside of the house. so there's the possibility that the stabbing may have occurred outside of the house. as it happens the 78 year old dude has since been bailed by police without charge pending further enquiries.

if they seriously suspected him of murder it's highly unlikely that he'd have been bailed so quickly if at all. obviously given that there's a dead body involved, as most rational people would expect the police have to go through the standard investigations and formalities i.e arresting whoever did the stabbing getting their side of the story etc before deciding what action to take. of course that won't stop the usual morons from being outraged by "the fked up legal system" ...

Do you mean actually arresting him, or asking him to voluntarily come in with them?

[muscleman-2017]

immediate media reports following incidents like this tend to be sketchy. the stabbed burglar was apparently found outside of the house. so there's the possibility that the stabbing may have occurred outside of the house. as it happens the 78 year old dude has since been bailed by police without charge pending further enquiries.

if they seriously suspected him of murder it's highly unlikely that he'd have been bailed so quickly if at all. obviously given that there's a dead body involved, as most rational people would expect the police have to go through the standard investigations and formalities i.e arresting whoever did the stabbing getting their side of the story etc before deciding what action to take. of course that won't stop the usual morons from being outraged by "the fked up legal system" ...

Good grief you are retarded.

[Las Vegas]

Isn't most of our food pre cut anyway?  Outside of produce and meat products what do you need to cut with a knife?  The edge of a fork or spoon is sharp enough to cut most food items.

Knives are essentially vanity items.

Shouldn't be much trouble to get this finalized, then, and with the urgency it requires.

[Las Vegas]

yes it's a good idea. you should try and patent it.

We already have what's needed to do it, though.  Just waiting for a law is all.  Simple.

[Las Vegas]

What of the fact it appears to be a knife that allowed the couple to go unhurt, though?  How's that fit into the plan?

Damnit, I want to ban them anyway.  That's all there is to it.

[Las Vegas]

Seriously, you know all the "urgency" about taking restrictive action on something is because such things are rarely if ever able to be reversed.  Once done, it's done.  The ground has been taken.

[Agnostic007]

Is it routine in the UK for police to arrest everyone that is involved in something like this? As people have mentioned, in the US it is typical that without extenuating circumstances, the person would be taken in for a statement but not arrested. 

[Conker]

Is it routine in the UK for police to arrest everyone that is involved in something like this? As people have mentioned, in the US it is typical that without extenuating circumstances, the person would be taken in for a statement but not arrested.  

i wouldn't say it's routine to arrest "everyone involved". but i would say in most circumstances the person/s suspected of landing the fatal blow will be arrested on suspicion. but it is just that "suspicion" what comes to light after that will dictate whether or not any charges are brought.

tbh it's better that way as once you're formally arrested you're afforded all the legal rights of someone suspected of a crime, like access to legal counsel and so on. so it protects all parties really.

[Agnostic007]

i wouldn't say it's routine to arrest "everyone involved". but i would say in most circumstances the person/s suspected of landing the fatal blow will be arrested on suspicion. but it is just that "suspicion" what comes to light after that will dictate whether or not any charges are brought.

tbh it's better that way as once you're formally arrested you're afforded all the legal rights of someone suspected of a crime, like access to legal counsel and so on. so it protects all parties really.

That may be but for sake of argument, lets say I am home and burglars break in and I end up shooting one with his own gun during the struggle. The odds are pretty high that i won't be charged or convicted but I was arrested. I'm potentially going to miss work, certainly will have to hire a criminal lawyer, and have an arrest on my record. While I appreciate the thought of trying to protect me, who is going to reimburse me for lost wages and attorney fees when I am clearly innocent?