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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Fuzzy Nuts on May 12, 2018, 04:46:57 PM
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I have been researching new cars. Most likely going to pick up a Cadillac ATS Luxury AWD. Can pick one of these up for less than a well equipped Camry or Accord.
Sedans are being heavily discounted right now with the popularity of SUV's. 2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.
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Farewell to the ATS after this year, caddy will stop making it, not that I’ll miss it
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Nice looking car the ats,I rent a lot of cars and I rented and ats a While back and it was a smooth ride.Then I tried the xts also a very nice ride.
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Nice looking car the ats,I rent a lot of cars and I rented and ats a While back and it was a smooth ride.Then I tried the xts also a very nice ride.
Same here. Had one for a rental for a few days and liked it. Prices seem good, although it has been out since '13 with a small refresh in '15-'16.
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buy the nicest 1-2 year old model you can
BMW, Audi, Benz are all boring unless you get the M package
get the caddy (coming from a guy who used to be a bimmer cat) i had a rental ats and loved it
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buy the nicest 1-2 year old model you can
BMW, Audi, Benz are all boring unless you get the M package
get the caddy (coming from a guy who used to be a bimmer cat) i had a rental ats and loved it
Nope, a car that’s about to be discontinued, a brand that’s struggling, build quality is shitty, American cars are dead compared to the comp
Infiniti and Lexus are much better than American luxury
Hell save your money and buy a Kia stinger, that’s a great car
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Nope, a car that’s about to be discontinued, a brand that’s struggling, build quality is shitty, American cars are dead compared to the comp
Infiniti and Lexus are much better than American luxury
The Cadillac handles very well. Does lag behind some other in the tech stuff IMO.
I regret not buying a G37 in 2013.
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Nope, a car that’s about to be discontinued, a brand that’s struggling, build quality is shitty, American cars are dead compared to the comp
Infiniti and Lexus are much better than American luxury
Hell save your money and buy a Kia stinger, that’s a great car
good points - i didnt look that deep into it.
lexus IS is a great ca - if you can get it with a stick - do that -
i am only into 1 type of car (mustangs) my roush stage 2 is my baby -
i loved the IS300s from the early 2000s. i went with acura RSX-S over the is300s... a bit cheaper and it was a coupe
god damn the is300 were neat (got rice) ;D
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buy the nicest 1-2 year old model you can
BMW, Audi, Benz are all boring unless you get the M package
get the caddy (coming from a guy who used to be a bimmer cat) i had a rental ats and loved it
Kind of the plan. 2016 is the oldest I would buy due to the 8 speed trans update.
German cars look nice, but long term maintenance and repair cost is a concern.
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2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.
For Volkswagen, always get the GTI Golf...They are a blast to drive. I drove a 2003 GTI with a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder for 250,000 miles...the transmission was a six speed that just "snicked" when you shifted gears.
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My brother in law has the 2.0T AWD model, it’s quick but he says my WRX definitely feels a lot quicker. But it’s not much at all in actual relativity.
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I have been researching new cars. Most likely going to pick up a Cadillac ATS Luxury AWD. Can pick one of these up for less than a well equipped Camry or Accord.
Sedans are being heavily discounted right now with the popularity of SUV's. 2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.
Discounts on the ATS, as the sedan will be discontinued, and coupe eventually. Will be replaced with a "tweener" car. Terrible dash compared to its competitors. Great handling. Automatic has issues. Reliability, will cost you less than the Germans.
Styling wise, blah backend.
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Hyundai has developed the Genesis luxury line. Pound for Pound it hangs with its much pricier competition. G90 looks pretty sharp but it's all a matter of personal taste
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/sedan/g90.html?chid=sem&fb=&CID=10955965&PID=146202853&CRID=0&SID=3265056&AID=317767215&ds_query=genesis+g90&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg6jyl8WB2wIVBShpCh0wCAXUEAAYASAAEgI5Z_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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For Volkswagen, always get the GTI Golf...They are a blast to drive. I drove a 2003 GTI with a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder for 250,000 miles...the transmission was a six speed that just "snicked" when you shifted gears.
Consumer Reports loves the GTI and Golf. Sounds like a fun car.
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My brother in law has the 2.0T AWD model, it’s quick but he says my WRX definitely feels a lot quicker. But it’s not much at all in actual relativity.
WRX is quicker. Subaru delivers a lot for a fair price.
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Hyundai has developed the Genesis luxury line. Pound for Pound it hangs with its much pricier competition. G90 looks pretty sharp but it's all a matter of personal taste
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/sedan/g90.html?chid=sem&fb=&CID=10955965&PID=146202853&CRID=0&SID=3265056&AID=317767215&ds_query=genesis+g90&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg6jyl8WB2wIVBShpCh0wCAXUEAAYASAAEgI5Z_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Genesis has top customer satisfaction. The company has come a long way and are adding 100 dealerships. Watched a video on the G70 I think. Sharp car on same platform as the Stinger.
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theres videos of a caddy CTSV. beating the shit out of Ferrari's and other super cars..ive never been a caddy fan, but i like this car.
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also call buying is cultural - personal choice
me - i am east german/czech area decent and shocking i owned a big body 740i (stereotype and m3)
if you like the image of a caddy get one. its iconic man - fucking classic - it might fit who you are as a person?
coming from a former car salesman. buying a car runs brand deep/cultural.
end of the day - the besic nice luxo sedan, they are all the same. really they are - nice and great cars - but also go with your image you wish to protray
audi - screams boring dentist type
if you are Italian and dont buy the caddy i will make sure the guidos vote you out of the race 8)
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Nope, a car that’s about to be discontinued, a brand that’s struggling, build quality is shitty, American cars are dead compared to the comp
Infiniti and Lexus are much better than American luxury
Hell save your money and buy a Kia stinger, that’s a great car
This.
The news of ATS being discontinued is brand new and certain to crush already heavily discounted from MSRP fair market value of this model.
It is a shame. Everybody bitched about “why doesn’t US build 4 door M5 fighter “....and Cadillac did with CTS-V.....and nobody bought it or paid attention.
Cadillac has right idea but needs to break off from sharing space with Chevy dealerships. Stand alone stores and improved vehicle interiors w/less Alcantra would be a good start too. Reduce Cadillac franchised dealers by 25% or more and try to move brand upmarket over next five years. Focus on improving interiors...especially gauges and infotainment.
Needs more differentiation from GM.
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Men don't drive cars. ;D
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I have been researching new cars. Most likely going to pick up a Cadillac ATS Luxury AWD. Can pick one of these up for less than a well equipped Camry or Accord.
Sedans are being heavily discounted right now with the popularity of SUV's. 2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.
Sure you are....stud
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Hyundai has developed the Genesis luxury line. Pound for Pound it hangs with its much pricier competition. G90 looks pretty sharp but it's all a matter of personal taste
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/sedan/g90.html?chid=sem&fb=&CID=10955965&PID=146202853&CRID=0&SID=3265056&AID=317767215&ds_query=genesis+g90&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg6jyl8WB2wIVBShpCh0wCAXUEAAYASAAEgI5Z_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Hyundai will screw its Genesis brand. They are going to sell the cars in the Hyundai dealership instead of creating a Genesis brand dealership network, like Toyota did with Lexus, Honda with Acura, and Nissan with Infiniti. Selling a luxury brand in house with your more plebeian wares is brand suicide. My guess is that the fact that Hyundai is losing money due to poor sales, maybe the reason why they will not invest money into a Genesis dealer network. And the fact that Hyundai dealerships had complained about not being selected as future Genesis dealerships (IIRC).
This is part of the same issue that Caddy has, as they tend to not be stand alone dealerships, but always hooked up to some non-luxury brand.
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Hyundai will screw its Genesis brand. They are going to sell the cars in the Hyundai dealership instead of creating a Genesis brand dealership network, like Toyota did with Lexus, Honda with Acura, and Nissan with Infiniti. Selling a luxury brand in house with your more plebeian wares is brand suicide. My guess is that the fact that Hyundai is losing money due to poor sales, maybe the reason why they will not invest money into a Genesis dealer network. And the fact that Hyundai dealerships had complained about not being selected as future Genesis dealerships (IIRC).
This is part of the same issue that Caddy has, as they tend to not be stand alone dealerships, but always hooked up to some non-luxury brand.
All that is above my head. They may want to get some footing before venturing off into new dealerships for their new models... you could be right but it could just be a sound business decision
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Another idea is for GM to sh*tcan Cadillac brand, break off Escalade into a “sub brand” with premium products and continue to sell “Escalade” branded XT5, XT4 + current Escalade and variants. This would mean killing the CT6 and CTS which would be a shame.
It is easier to sell high dollar crossover/suv lineup at average franchised dealer vs being a stand alone luxury brand store with the product to back up premium $$$.
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Hyundai will screw its Genesis brand. They are going to sell the cars in the Hyundai dealership instead of creating a Genesis brand dealership network, like Toyota did with Lexus, Honda with Acura, and Nissan with Infiniti. Selling a luxury brand in house with your more plebeian wares is brand suicide. My guess is that the fact that Hyundai is losing money due to poor sales, maybe the reason why they will not invest money into a Genesis dealer network. And the fact that Hyundai dealerships had complained about not being selected as future Genesis dealerships (IIRC).
This is part of the same issue that Caddy has, as they tend to not be stand alone dealerships, but always hooked up to some non-luxury brand.
Agree with all of this.
A luxury brand must have stand alone franchise. Hyundai is pissing off its US dealer network. They are guaranteeing failure if they try to sell Genesis brand in Hyundai stores. The Koreans already struggle for parity with Japanese in public perception. Only one Japanese brand is truly a contender in luxury market and that took 20+ years.
Hyundai you’re doing it wrong.
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All that is above my head. They may want to get some footing before venturing off into new dealerships for their new models... you could be right but it could just be a sound business decision
Think of it like this. Hyundai hired people from the German and Euro brands---hired the head of BMW M Division, hired a guy from Audi, hired a ton of designers. Hyundai wants the future of their Genesis brand to be this:
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-future-vehicles-2018-concept.html (https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-future-vehicles-2018-concept.html)
Now, a person walking into a luxury brand wants a certain type of treatment, especially if they want to buy what's above. The person looking to spend 60-100k on a car, doesn't want to reminded that there is Hyundai Sonata in the same dealership---or the people who buy said vehicle, or to reminded that they once drove a Hyundai Sonata.
It's like going into a 5 star restaurant that has the other side as McDonalds. Filet Mignon on one side, and Chicken Mcnuggets on the other, it just doesn't go together.
Another idea is for GM to sh*tcan Cadillac brand, break off Escalade into a “sub brand” with premium products and continue to sell “Escalade” branded XT5, XT4 + current Escalade and variants. This would mean killing the CT6 and CTS which would be a shame.
It is easier to sell high dollar crossover/suv lineup at average franchised dealer vs being a stand alone luxury brand store with the product to back up premium $$$.
CTS has been discontinued.
If GM were to do anything, they should have made the Corvette a brand a long time ago. The domestics screw themselves because they have no foresight, still inflexible corporate mentality, and either build things too late, or don't build them at all. They killed off the Fiero because they didn't want it to step on the Corvette's toes. They didn't push for the El Miraj to be built by Cadillac, or the concept before that. They had a Bentley Conti GT fighter in the works, they killed off their V12 due to the economic meltdown
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im not into cars as much as you guys are...but there seems to be a trend going on.... Ford discontinued most of its cars and has focused on only trucks/SUV and mustangs, due to lack of sales
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Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.
(https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cobaltss.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/80-20180304_145924_resized_0ed6e11ae1110e98af54e4d8e3c80d1fbdb4db09.jpg)
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The Cadillac handles very well. Does lag behind some other in the tech stuff IMO.
I regret not buying a G37 in 2013.
Yes, the performance of the ATS esp the V is very good, don’t get me wrong, it’s a good car but lacking in the “luxury” department esp for something that’s 40k+
It’s an all out performance car with a lot of weaknessss like the 8 sp transmission, poor reliability and as I mentioned the build and material in the interior are so so for what you are paying
If you can overlook those and want performance that can match or better than majority of the competitors then the caddy is the car for you
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good points - i didnt look that deep into it.
lexus IS is a great ca - if you can get it with a stick - do that -
i am only into 1 type of car (mustangs) my roush stage 2 is my baby -
i loved the IS300s from the early 2000s. i went with acura RSX-S over the is300s... a bit cheaper and it was a coupe
god damn the is300 were neat (got rice) ;D
Haha those were the days, when I was young and getting into the tuning scene as in building cars for others I built a bit of rsx type s for customers, those K motors are awesome esp the new one in the type r ;D
Is300 was a good alternative to bmw and the likes cause of the cheap entry price and manual transmission but during that era it was very hard to beat bmw cause they were in their prime in building drivers cars
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Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.
(https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cobaltss.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/80-20180304_145924_resized_0ed6e11ae1110e98af54e4d8e3c80d1fbdb4db09.jpg)
Nice deal.
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Sure you are....stud
How's the Durango driving? ;D
Buying an ATS isn't really much to boast about, selling under 30k new.
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Hyundai will screw its Genesis brand. They are going to sell the cars in the Hyundai dealership instead of creating a Genesis brand dealership network, like Toyota did with Lexus, Honda with Acura, and Nissan with Infiniti. Selling a luxury brand in house with your more plebeian wares is brand suicide. My guess is that the fact that Hyundai is losing money due to poor sales, maybe the reason why they will not invest money into a Genesis dealer network. And the fact that Hyundai dealerships had complained about not being selected as future Genesis dealerships (IIRC).
This is part of the same issue that Caddy has, as they tend to not be stand alone dealerships, but always hooked up to some non-luxury brand.
Consumer reports just said they are going to open 100 Genesis only dealerships.
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Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.
(https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cobaltss.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/80-20180304_145924_resized_0ed6e11ae1110e98af54e4d8e3c80d1fbdb4db09.jpg)
Sharp car. I'll take a look at those too.
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Consumer reports just said they are going to open 100 Genesis only dealerships.
Interesting to see how it works out for them.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.automobilemag.com/news/genesis-expand-beyond-100-stand-alone-stores/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/www.automobilemag.com/news/genesis-expand-beyond-100-stand-alone-stores/amp/)
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Interesting to see how it works out for them.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.automobilemag.com/news/genesis-expand-beyond-100-stand-alone-stores/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/www.automobilemag.com/news/genesis-expand-beyond-100-stand-alone-stores/amp/)
I'm not a big fan of Chinese cars, but they have come a long way and seem to be making some of the right moves.
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Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.
(https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cobaltss.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/80-20180304_145924_resized_0ed6e11ae1110e98af54e4d8e3c80d1fbdb4db09.jpg)
Great buy. Brembo brakes, nice flat bottom racing steering wheel, great looks, zippy due to its size... I think you made a great choice. And wow what a deal.
I'm still on the fence with respect to the redesign, I like that they upped the power but not sure how I feel about the look... Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't.
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fuzzy nuts
if you are black or Italian get the caddy
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fuzzy nuts
if you are black or Italian get the caddy
Haha. Actually I'm a white american of German heritage.
Not, saying the ATS is the best looking or best luxury sedan. IMO it may be the best value and fun to drive.
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I'm not a big fan of Chinese cars, but they have come a long way and seem to be making some of the right moves.
Korean...
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If you're looking at the ATS Sedan you might find that rear seat room is on the small side. The ATS-V is an incredible car and can be had with a manual transmission and the prices for used ones are reasonable for the performance you get - there are some deals on new ones as well.
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I have been researching new cars. Most likely going to pick up a Cadillac ATS Luxury AWD. Can pick one of these up for less than a well equipped Camry or Accord.
Sedans are being heavily discounted right now with the popularity of SUV's. 2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.
VW passat 2018 for 15K ???
Starts at $ 38K in Europe.
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fuzzy nuts
if you are black or Italian get the caddy
Haha freaking Italians have fiat and Alfa to buy but those wops go for caddy’s ;D then again those Italians are American guidos haha
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VW passat 2018 for 15K ???
Starts at $ 38K in Europe.
$23,845 - $35,500 in the US.
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theres videos of a caddy CTSV. beating the shit out of Ferrari's and other super cars..ive never been a caddy fan, but i like
lolololol
usa shit cars bro!!!
compare usa shit with ferarri lolol
us car can only go fast in a straight line
omg only on getbig
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$23,845 - $35,500 in the US.
so OP is making stuff up?
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Great buy. Brembo brakes, nice flat bottom racing steering wheel, great looks, zippy due to its size... I think you made a great choice. And wow what a deal.
I'm still on the fence with respect to the redesign, I like that they upped the power but not sure how I feel about the look... Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't.
Sharp car. I'll take a look at those too.
Nice deal.
Thanks guys! It's a nice driver.
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CTS-V had Nurburing record for 4 door sedan. Viper SRT has held numerous records. Mustang GT350 good on track as well. ATS-V noted as a better handler than the M3/M4, Alfa Romeo Giulia QV. Corvette Gran Sport up there with 911 GT3 RS.
Test drive the current CTS-V, you will like it.
The Ats v isn’t better than the Alfa, the Alfa won every comparisons and rightfully so ;)
And the Ats v as an overall car loses to the M3 and Mercedes, never beaten them in comparos either
Now you want to base it on just pure performance the atsv is better than the M3 in chassis and steering but then again they copied past bmw’s completely
The M3 is built better, better engine, better transmission, better overall complete car
The Porsche is on another level than any corvette even the zr1
The old saying “you get what you pay for”
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The Ats v isn’t better than the Alfa, the Alfa won every comparisons and rightfully so ;)
And the Ats v as an overall car loses to the M3 and Mercedes, never beaten them in comparos either
Now you want to base it on just pure performance the atsv is better than the M3 in chassis and steering but then again they copied past bmw’s completely
The M3 is built better, better engine, better transmission, better overall complete car
The Porsche is on another level than any corvette even the zr1
The old saying “you get what you pay for”
True. Most people would rather get the M3/M4, Merc, Audi or the Giulia. ATS-V=spent time on chassis and engine, but ran out of money for everything else.
Alfa Romeo probably won't have a coupe out until the next M4 coupe comes out.
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Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.
(https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.cobaltss.net-vbulletin/2000x1124/80-20180304_145924_resized_0ed6e11ae1110e98af54e4d8e3c80d1fbdb4db09.jpg)
That is a very nice car,rented one of those for a month a couple years back,car was fun to drive.
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I only lease. After 3 years I'm bored with whatever car I have, it feels dated, and I don't want to deal with the inevitable maintenance hassles. I live in the northeast and don't commute regularly by car so excess mileage isn't a concern.
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VW passat 2018 for 15K ???
Starts at $ 38K in Europe.
check cargurus. a lot of dealers in the us have the 2018 base s model for 15k. not fancy, but good size new car with 6 year bumper to bumper warranty.
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I only lease. After 3 years I'm bored with whatever car I have, it feels dated, and I don't want to deal with the inevitable maintenance hassles. I live in the northeast and don't commute regularly by car so excess mileage isn't a concern.
lease is a good option if you dont need a lot of miles. i average 15k plus some more on my truck. if i did less than 10k i would lease.
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Haha. Actually I'm a white american of German heritage.
Not, saying the ATS is the best looking or best luxury sedan. IMO it may be the best value and fun to drive.
get an IS lexus with a manual transmission
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check cargurus. a lot of dealers in the us have the 2018 base s model for 15k. not fancy, but good size new car with 6 year bumper to bumper warranty.
amazing. there must be no tax on cars in the Usa.
in europe a Passat starts at $35k up to $80k.
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from a financial perspective buying is outdated, leasing is the king
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I have been researching new cars. Most likely going to pick up a Cadillac ATS Luxury AWD. Can pick one of these up for less than a well equipped Camry or Accord.
Sedans are being heavily discounted right now with the popularity of SUV's. 2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.
I own a CTS before, very nice and none of the problems you expect to have a domestic car.New accords are nice. Especially with the 2.0 turbo.