Cadillac ATS or Other New Luxury Sedans, Opinions

[Parker]

All that is above my head. They may want to get some footing before venturing off into new dealerships for their new models... you could be right but it could just be a sound business decision

Think of it like this. Hyundai hired people from the German and Euro brands---hired the head of BMW M Division, hired a guy from Audi, hired a ton of designers. Hyundai wants the future of their Genesis brand to be this:
https://www.genesis.com/us/en/genesis-future-vehicles-2018-concept.html

Now, a person walking into a luxury brand wants a certain type of treatment, especially if they want to buy what's above. The person looking to spend 60-100k on a car, doesn't want to reminded that there is Hyundai Sonata in the same dealership---or the people who buy said vehicle, or to reminded that they once drove a Hyundai Sonata.

It's like going into a 5 star restaurant that has the other side as McDonalds. Filet Mignon on one side, and Chicken Mcnuggets on the other, it just doesn't go together.

Another idea is for GM to sh*tcan Cadillac brand, break off Escalade into a “sub brand” with premium products and continue to sell “Escalade” branded XT5, XT4 + current Escalade and variants.  This would mean killing the CT6 and CTS which would be a shame.

It is easier to sell high dollar crossover/suv lineup at average franchised dealer vs being a stand alone luxury brand store with the product to back up premium $$$.

CTS has been discontinued.
If GM were to do anything, they should have made the Corvette a brand a long time ago. The domestics screw themselves because they have no foresight, still inflexible corporate mentality, and either build things too late, or don't build them at all. They killed off the Fiero because they didn't want it to step on the Corvette's toes. They didn't push for the El Miraj to be built by Cadillac, or the concept before that. They had a Bentley Conti GT fighter in the works, they killed off their V12 due to the economic meltdown

[Mobil]

im not into cars as much as you guys are...but there seems to be a trend going on.... Ford discontinued most of its cars and has focused on only trucks/SUV and mustangs, due to lack of sales

[US MUSL]

Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.

[Bevo]

The Cadillac handles very well. Does lag behind some other in the tech stuff IMO.

I regret not buying a G37 in 2013.

Yes, the performance of the ATS esp the V is very good, don’t get me wrong, it’s a good car but lacking in the “luxury” department esp for something that’s 40k+

It’s an all out performance car with a lot of weaknessss like the 8 sp transmission, poor reliability and as I mentioned the build and material in the interior are so so for what you are paying

If you can overlook those and want performance that can match or better than majority of the competitors then the caddy is the car for you

[Bevo]

good points - i didnt look that deep into it.

lexus IS is a great ca - if you can get it with a stick - do that -

 i am only into 1 type of car (mustangs) my roush stage 2 is my baby -

i loved the IS300s from the early 2000s. i went with acura RSX-S over the is300s... a bit cheaper and it was a coupe

god damn the is300 were neat (got rice)  

Haha those were the days, when I was young and getting into the tuning scene as in building cars for others I built a bit of rsx type s for customers, those K motors are awesome esp the new one in the type r

Is300 was a good alternative to bmw and the likes cause of the cheap entry price and manual transmission but during that era it was very hard to beat bmw cause they were in their prime in building drivers cars

[Parker]

Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.

Nice deal.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Sure you are....stud

How's the Durango driving?

Buying an ATS isn't really much to boast about, selling under 30k new.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Hyundai will screw its Genesis brand. They are going to sell the cars in the Hyundai dealership instead of creating a Genesis brand dealership network, like Toyota did with Lexus, Honda with Acura, and Nissan with Infiniti. Selling a luxury brand in house with your more plebeian wares is brand suicide. My guess is that the fact that Hyundai is losing money due to poor sales, maybe the reason why they will not invest money into a Genesis dealer network. And the fact that Hyundai dealerships had complained about not being selected as future Genesis dealerships (IIRC).

This is part of the same issue that Caddy has, as they tend to not be stand alone dealerships, but always hooked up to some non-luxury brand.

Consumer reports just said they are going to open 100 Genesis only dealerships.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.

Sharp car. I'll take a look at those too.

[Parker]

Consumer reports just said they are going to open 100 Genesis only dealerships.

Interesting to see how it works out for them.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.automobilemag.com/news/genesis-expand-beyond-100-stand-alone-stores/amp/

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Interesting to see how it works out for them.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.automobilemag.com/news/genesis-expand-beyond-100-stand-alone-stores/amp/

I'm not a big fan of Chinese cars, but they have come a long way and seem to be making some of the right moves.

[BIG ACH]

Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.

Great buy.  Brembo brakes, nice flat bottom racing steering wheel, great looks,  zippy due to its size... I think you made a great choice.  And wow what a deal.

I'm still on the fence with respect to the redesign, I like that they upped the power but not sure how I feel about the look... Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't.

[tres_taco_combo]

fuzzy nuts

if you are black or Italian get the caddy

[Fuzzy Nuts]

fuzzy nuts

if you are black or Italian get the caddy

Haha. Actually I'm a white american of German heritage.

Not, saying the ATS is the best looking or best luxury sedan. IMO it may be the best value and fun to drive.

[Parker]

I'm not a big fan of Chinese cars, but they have come a long way and seem to be making some of the right moves.

Korean...

[Skeletor]

If you're looking at the ATS Sedan you might find that rear seat room is on the small side. The ATS-V is an incredible car and can be had with a manual transmission and the prices for used ones are reasonable for the performance you get - there are some deals on new ones as well.

[Ted SuperSet]

I have been researching new cars. Most likely going to pick up a Cadillac ATS Luxury AWD. Can pick one of these up for less than a well equipped Camry or Accord.  

Sedans are being heavily discounted right now with the popularity of SUV's. 2018 VW Passat starts under 15k for a decent mid size car with huge back seat.

VW passat 2018 for 15K
Starts at $ 38K in Europe.

[Bevo]

fuzzy nuts

if you are black or Italian get the caddy

Haha freaking Italians have fiat and Alfa to buy but those wops go for caddy’s   then again those Italians are American guidos haha

[werewolf operative]

VW passat 2018 for 15K
Starts at $ 38K in Europe.

$23,845 - $35,500 in the US.

[Ted SuperSet]

theres videos of a caddy CTSV. beating the shit out of Ferrari's and other super cars..ive never been a caddy fan, but i like

lolololol

usa shit cars bro!!!

compare usa shit with ferarri  lolol

us car can only go fast in a straight line

omg only on getbig

[Ted SuperSet]

$23,845 - $35,500 in the US.

so OP is making stuff up?

[US MUSL]

Great buy.  Brembo brakes, nice flat bottom racing steering wheel, great looks,  zippy due to its size... I think you made a great choice.  And wow what a deal.

I'm still on the fence with respect to the redesign, I like that they upped the power but not sure how I feel about the look... Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't.

Sharp car. I'll take a look at those too.

Nice deal.

Thanks guys! It's a nice driver.

[Bevo]

CTS-V had Nurburing record for 4 door sedan. Viper SRT has held numerous records. Mustang GT350 good on track as well. ATS-V noted as a better handler than the M3/M4, Alfa Romeo Giulia QV. Corvette Gran Sport up there with 911 GT3 RS.

Test drive the current CTS-V, you will like it.

The Ats v isn’t better than the Alfa, the Alfa won every comparisons and rightfully so  

And the Ats v as an overall car loses to the M3 and Mercedes, never beaten them in comparos either

Now you want to base it on just pure performance the atsv is better than the M3 in chassis and steering but then again they copied past bmw’s  completely

The M3 is built better, better engine, better transmission, better overall complete car

The Porsche is on another level than any corvette even the zr1

The old saying “you get what you pay for”

[Parker]

The Ats v isn’t better than the Alfa, the Alfa won every comparisons and rightfully so  

And the Ats v as an overall car loses to the M3 and Mercedes, never beaten them in comparos either

Now you want to base it on just pure performance the atsv is better than the M3 in chassis and steering but then again they copied past bmw’s  completely

The M3 is built better, better engine, better transmission, better overall complete car

The Porsche is on another level than any corvette even the zr1

The old saying “you get what you pay for”

True. Most people would rather get the M3/M4, Merc, Audi or the Giulia. ATS-V=spent time on chassis and engine, but ran out of money for everything else.

Alfa Romeo probably won't have a coupe out until the next M4 coupe comes out.

[robcguns]

Earlier in the year I was set on buying an ATS Coupe. Really liked the exterior styling and performance. wasn't fully sold on the interior or the 8 speed transmission (seemed to hunt for gears). At the time I really couldn't find the deal I wanted on the Caddy and ran across a great deal on a new leftover 2017 Buick Regal GS AWD, MSRP $42,300 paid $28,100 out the door.

That is a very nice car,rented one of those for a month a couple years back,car was fun to drive.