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This seems a bit odd
Aren't those tax cuts for the corporations and the super rich supposed to create a shit ton of jobs and raise wages, all of which should increase federal tax revenue?
Trumptard paid Omarosa almost 180 grand a year to do nothing much other than to say nice things about Trump (and secretly record everyone in the White House) and he can't give federal workers a measly 2% raise
I think this is the same Trumptard who wanted to spend millions on a military parade yet also cancelled our joint military training with South Korea because it was too expensive meanwhile China and Russia are conducting massive joint military training operations: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/2161762/nato-alarm-russia-stage-worlds-biggest-military
Just a quick summation
We don't have enough money to give federal workers a measly raise or do joint training operations with South Korea but we have plenty of money for a parade and to give idiot reality show losers 180k a year.
Welcome to Trumptardistan
Trump cancels planned January pay increase for civilian federal workers
President Trump announced Thursday that he was canceling a pay raise due to most civilian federal employees in January, citing budgetary reasons.
In a letter to congressional leaders, the president wrote that locality pay increases would cost $25 billion. Those increases would come on top of a 2.1 percent across-the-board increase for most civilian employees.
"We must maintain efforts to put our Nation on a fiscally sustainable course, and Federal agency budgets cannot sustain such increases," Trump wrote before announcing that for 2019, "both across-the-board pay increases and locality pay increases will be set at zero."
"These alternative pay plan decisions will not materially affect our ability to attract and retain a well‑qualified Federal workforce," Trump's letter adds.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-planned-january-pay-increase-for-federal-workers.html
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There are too many government workers so hopefully a few will quit.
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There are too many government workers so hopefully a few will quit.
X2
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X2
X3. Cry me a fucking river.
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There are too many government workers so hopefully a few will quit.
I can think of one in particular that should definitely quit
Interesting how nobody bothered to comment on the that joint training with South Korea is too expensive meanwhile Russia and China are doing the largest joint military training ever
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Government workers are notoriously well compensated compared to non-government workers.
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I can think of one in particular that should definitely quit
Interesting how nobody bothered to comment on the that joint training with South Korea is too expensive meanwhile Russia and China are doing the largest joint military training ever
The one that doesn't take a paycheck...figures..
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This seems a bit odd
Aren't those tax cuts for the corporations and the super rich supposed to create a shit ton of jobs and raise wages, all of which should increase federal tax revenue?
Trumptard paid Omarosa almost 180 grand a year to do nothing much other than to say nice things about Trump (and secretly record everyone in the White House) and he can't give federal workers a measly 2% raise
I think this is the same Trumptard who wanted to spend millions on a military parade yet also cancelled our joint military training with South Korea because it was too expensive meanwhile China and Russia are conducting massive joint military training operations: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/2161762/nato-alarm-russia-stage-worlds-biggest-military
Just a quick summation
We don't have enough money to give federal workers a measly raise or do joint training operations with South Korea but we have plenty of money for a parade and to give idiot reality show losers 180k a year.
Welcome to Trumptardistan
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-planned-january-pay-increase-for-federal-workers.html
Explain to us how this is a bad thing?
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The one that doesn't take a paycheck...figures..
Bwhahahaaaaaa ;D
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There are too many government workers so hopefully a few will quit.
Mnay are layabouts and do-nothings and left wing pussies anyway. F em
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Explain to us how this is a bad thing?
Strawman, this question was for you and pretend you didn't see it.
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Strawman, this question was for you and pretend you didn't see it.
Waiting
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There are too many government workers so hopefully a few will quit.
Wonder if you'll still believe there are too many federal employees when you need federal services and end up on a long wait list. Postal workers are federal employees. Maybe you'd prefer picking up your mail at a central Post Office on one specific assigned day of the week.
Here's a headline from seven years ago.
US Postal Service plans to close 3,653 post offices. Here's a list.
On its 236th anniversary, Ben Franklin's original post office, along with over 3,500 others, is being stamped out.
David Gewirtz
By David Gewirtz for ZDNet Government | July 27, 2011 -- 05:00 GMT (22:00 PDT) | Topic: Social Enterprise
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Strawman, this question was for you and pretend you didn't see it.
LOL - you think I go looking for your posts to respond to
We're in the middle of this so called great economy and we just gave a huge gift to the uber rich and corporate persons.
This very stupid move by Trump has no effect on me.
Just pointing out the craven hypocrisy of the Republicans
Suddenly they care about the budget?
They didn't seem to give a rats ass about the budget or budget deficits when they passed their big tax give at the beginning of this year
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Wonder if you'll still believe there are too many federal employees when you need federal services and end up on a long wait list. Postal workers are federal employees. Maybe you'd prefer picking up your mail at a central Post Office on one specific assigned day of the week.
Here's a headline from seven years ago.
US Postal Service plans to close 3,653 post offices. Here's a list.
On its 236th anniversary, Ben Franklin's original post office, along with over 3,500 others, is being stamped out.
David Gewirtz
By David Gewirtz for ZDNet Government | July 27, 2011 -- 05:00 GMT (22:00 PDT) | Topic: Social Enterprise
USPS is on life-support. They need to pull the plug.
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LOL - you think I go looking for your posts to respond to
We're in the middle of this so called great economy and we just gave a huge gift to the uber rich and corporate persons.
This very stupid move by Trump has no effect on me.
Just pointing out the craven hypocrisy of the Republicans
Suddenly they care about the budget?
They didn't seem to give a rats ass about the budget or budget deficits when they passed their big tax give at the beginning of this year
I see, you’re among the naive leftists that bought in that the cuts were only for rich? Anyway, you still haven’t answered the question but you’ll keep skating it.
BTW, you’re full of shit. You have your posts on alert, you know damn well when someone posts in your asinine uneducated threads. You were also online at the tome of that posting. Another lie
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I see, you’re among the naive leftists that bought in that the cuts were only for rich?[/b] Anyway, you still haven’t answered the question but you’ll keep skating it.
BTW, you’re full of shit. You have your posts on alert, you know damn well when someone posts in your asinine uneducated threads. You were also online at the tome of that posting. Another lie
I see you're the dipshit who bought the right wing talking points hook, line and sinker
I have no idea what you're talking about regarding an alert. I'm assuming you're referring to something on this board. I've never seen it. The only alert I've ever heard of is on google and I've never done one there either
I'm the least "techie" person that I know.
No Facebook or anything else. No apps on my phone other than for trading and my sous vide (which I fucking hate - if I had known that was the only way to use it I never would have purchased it) I'm almost a luddite
BTW - aren't the dipshit who still doesn't know how to post a YT video
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Wonder if you'll still believe there are too many federal employees when you need federal services and end up on a long wait list. Postal workers are federal employees. Maybe you'd prefer picking up your mail at a central Post Office on one specific assigned day of the week.
Here's a headline from seven years ago.
US Postal Service plans to close 3,653 post offices. Here's a list.
On its 236th anniversary, Ben Franklin's original post office, along with over 3,500 others, is being stamped out.
David Gewirtz
By David Gewirtz for ZDNet Government | July 27, 2011 -- 05:00 GMT (22:00 PDT) | Topic: Social Enterprise
People don't use paper mail anymore. The USPS is in large part a govt subsidy for Amazon deliveries at this point.
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I see you're the dipshit who bought the right wing talking points hook, line and sinker
I have no idea what you're talking about regarding an alert. I'm assuming you're referring to something on this board. I've never seen it. The only alert I've ever heard of is on google and I've never done one there either
I'm the least "techie" person that I know.
No Facebook or anything else. No apps on my phone other than for trading and my sous vide (which I fucking hate - if I had known that was the only way to use it I never would have purchased it) I'm almost a luddite
BTW - aren't the dipshit who still doesn't know how to post a YT video
Still no answer
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This seems a bit odd
Aren't those tax cuts for the corporations and the super rich supposed to create a shit ton of jobs and raise wages, all of which should increase federal tax revenue?
Trumptard paid Omarosa almost 180 grand a year to do nothing much other than to say nice things about Trump (and secretly record everyone in the White House) and he can't give federal workers a measly 2% raise
I think this is the same Trumptard who wanted to spend millions on a military parade yet also cancelled our joint military training with South Korea because it was too expensive meanwhile China and Russia are conducting massive joint military training operations: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/2161762/nato-alarm-russia-stage-worlds-biggest-military
Just a quick summation
We don't have enough money to give federal workers a measly raise or do joint training operations with South Korea but we have plenty of money for a parade and to give idiot reality show losers 180k a year.
Welcome to Trumptardistan
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-planned-january-pay-increase-for-federal-workers.html
For once, I have to agree with Trump. The average federal employee makes about 20k more per year than a regular employee.
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Wonder if you'll still believe there are too many federal employees when you need federal services and end up on a long wait list. Postal workers are federal employees. Maybe you'd prefer picking up your mail at a central Post Office on one specific assigned day of the week.
Here's a headline from seven years ago.
US Postal Service plans to close 3,653 post offices. Here's a list.
On its 236th anniversary, Ben Franklin's original post office, along with over 3,500 others, is being stamped out.
David Gewirtz
By David Gewirtz for ZDNet Government | July 27, 2011 -- 05:00 GMT (22:00 PDT) | Topic: Social Enterprise
Thanks Obama!
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I see you're the dipshit who bought the right wing talking points hook, line and sinker
I have no idea what you're talking about regarding an alert. I'm assuming you're referring to something on this board. I've never seen it. The only alert I've ever heard of is on google and I've never done one there either
I'm the least "techie" person that I know.
No Facebook or anything else. No apps on my phone other than for trading and my sous vide (which I fucking hate - if I had known that was the only way to use it I never would have purchased it) I'm almost a luddite
BTW - aren't the dipshit who still doesn't know how to post a YT video
Still waiting
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Still waiting
keep waiting Tubby Fox and Friends will eventually get around to explaining to you why this is a bad thing for Republicans
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keep waiting Tubby Fox and Friends will eventually get around to explaining to you why this is a bad thing for Republicans
Another excuse. You really are a liberal communist
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This seems a bit odd
Aren't those tax cuts for the corporations and the super rich supposed to create a shit ton of jobs and raise wages, all of which should increase federal tax revenue?
Trumptard paid Omarosa almost 180 grand a year to do nothing much other than to say nice things about Trump (and secretly record everyone in the White House) and he can't give federal workers a measly 2% raise
I think this is the same Trumptard who wanted to spend millions on a military parade yet also cancelled our joint military training with South Korea because it was too expensive meanwhile China and Russia are conducting massive joint military training operations: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/2161762/nato-alarm-russia-stage-worlds-biggest-military
Just a quick summation
We don't have enough money to give federal workers a measly raise or do joint training operations with South Korea but we have plenty of money for a parade and to give idiot reality show losers 180k a year.
Welcome to Trumptardistan
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/trump-cancels-planned-january-pay-increase-for-federal-workers.html
This is one of the classic divides between those on the Left and those on the Right. The role of government and income "distribution and equality." Trump calls for tax cuts yet cancels pay increases for Federal workers.
How could that be? He only cares about the "rich and corporations" and stiffs the Federal employees. What the Left fails to grasp is that a tax cut just means that the government is confiscating less of YOUR money. Money/wealth that you and businesses generate in the economy. I never understood why people on the Left feel it is better that the government take and spend money they take from the people than the people who actually have to earn it -- whether rich or poor.
With Federal workers that are on the government payroll, that's not their money. The Left again fail to realize that the government can't pay, or give, anybody anything because they have nothing to give. What they "give" to one group they take from another. The government, unlike private business, do not create wealth. They do not generate income. All their income comes in the form of taxes that they confiscate from private business and individuals. Government jobs does zero for the economy. If we all worked for the government then no one would get paid. There would be no private business generating income, and taxes, that the government can take to pay their workers.
Not only should Trump not give government employees a raise but should seek ways of getting rid of more government employees and agencies. Organizations like the Education Department, The National Endowment of Arts, Department of Housing and Urban Development, National Endowment for Humanities... all the useless money pits that the government was never meant to be involved in.
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Explain to us how this is a bad thing?
Still waiting for Strawman
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This is one of the classic divides between those on the Left and those on the Right. The role of government and income "distribution and equality." Trump calls for tax cuts yet cancels pay increases for Federal workers.
How could that be? He only cares about the "rich and corporations" and stiffs the Federal employees. What the Left fails to grasp is that a tax cut just means that the government is confiscating less of YOUR money. Money/wealth that you and businesses generate in the economy. I never understood why people on the Left feel it is better that the government take and spend money they take from the people than the people who actually have to earn it -- whether rich or poor.
With Federal workers that are on the government payroll, that's not their money. The Left again fail to realize that the government can't pay, or give, anybody anything because they have nothing to give. What they "give" to one group they take from another. The government, unlike private business, do not create wealth. They do not generate income. All their income comes in the form of taxes that they confiscate from private business and individuals. Government jobs does zero for the economy. If we all worked for the government then no one would get paid. There would be no private business generating income, and taxes, that the government can take to pay their workers.
Not only should Trump not give government employees a raise but should seek ways of getting rid of more government employees and agencies. Organizations like the Education Department, The National Endowment of Arts, Department of Housing and Urban Development, National Endowment for Humanities... all the useless money pits that the government was never meant to be involved in.
Your post is sound in principle. If we lived in a country where money saved by the government was actually kept by the citizens no one could argue your post. But it's simply not the case. I will be the first to agree we need to go over every expenditure, including Federal Employees pay to determine if we are spending my money wisely. I suspect the system is ridiculous in it's waste. When I was in the military it wasn't uncommon during end of budget to be told to get rid of money still left in the budget, spend it on anything just to spend it, so we can get as much next year. Being frugal was counterproductive. But the fact is, any money saved by Trump by not giving 2% (Inflation is at least that) will not be sent back to you or I. It will go towards some other project, or wasted elsewhere. We need to fix it at both ends
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Your post is sound in principle. If we lived in a country where money saved by the government was actually kept by the citizens no one could argue your post. But it's simply not the case. I will be the first to agree we need to go over every expenditure, including Federal Employees pay to determine if we are spending my money wisely. I suspect the system is ridiculous in it's waste. When I was in the military it wasn't uncommon during end of budget to be told to get rid of money still left in the budget, spend it on anything just to spend it, so we can get as much next year. Being frugal was counterproductive. But the fact is, any money saved by Trump by not giving 2% (Inflation is at least that) will not be sent back to you or I. It will go towards some other project, or wasted elsewhere. We need to fix it at both ends
Again, a difference in perspective. You do not save money by not redistributing it. With government, it's a zero-sum game. If the government wants to take funds from other "wasted projects" to pay for the wage increases, fine. But that's not what happens. Those raises will be paid by increased government expenditures. Expenditures paid for by taxes.
It's just like when the Democrats accuse Republicans of slashing and cutting "necessary" programs when in fact they are just decreasing the rate of increase. They're still confiscating our money, but the Republicans just want to confiscate less. Taking less is not same as cutting spending.
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I can think of one in particular that should definitely quit
Interesting how nobody bothered to comment on the that joint training with South Korea is too expensive meanwhile Russia and China are doing the largest joint military training ever
When north Korea was developing its arsenal..why didn't Obama care? Anyways I'm glad you pointed out CHINA and RUSSIA..least TRUMP is putting money into the military....what did OBOMA do? Besides drones and got walked all over like a human door mat?(even though we are the most powerful country In the world, embarrassing)
What your saying about China and Russia is pro-military...thats odd because most liberals are totally opposite.
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When north Korea was developing its arsenal..why didn't Obama care? Anyways I'm glad you pointed out CHINA and RUSSIA..least TRUMP is putting money into the military....what did OBOMA do? Besides drones and got walked all over like a human door mat?(even though we are the most powerful country In the world, embarrassing)
What your saying about China and Russia is pro-military...thats odd because most liberals are totally opposite.
Gave Iran a pallet of cash.
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Gave Iran a pallet of their cash.
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Still waiting for Strawman
Nothing bad about claiming the economy is so weak that he has to cancel a tiny pay increase for federal employees
Trump spent the weekend "studying" the issue (I know, seems bizarre that he would spend any time studying, much less on a weekend) so maybe when he gets back to work on Monday he'll announce he's rescinding the tax give away to corporations due to the weak economy and the need to have a balanced budget.
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Nothing bad about claiming the economy is so weak that he has to cancel a tiny pay increase for federal employees
Trump spent the weekend "studying" the issue (I know, seems bizarre that he would spend any time studying, much less on a weekend) so maybe when he gets back to work on Monday he'll announce he's rescinding the tax give away to corporations due to the weak economy and the need to have a balanced budget.
weak compared to what other country/countries?
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weak compared to what other country/countries?
you have to admit that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
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you have to admit that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
Well, since I HAVE to... ::)
That being said, there isn't another country on this globe I'd rather be
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People don't use paper mail anymore. The USPS is in large part a govt subsidy for Amazon deliveries at this point.
Why then, do I get mail pretty much every day?
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Well, since I HAVE to... ::)
That being said, there isn't another country on this globe I'd rather be
seriously man
you can't see that?
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::)
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seriously man
you can't see that?
can you please tell me how our "Economy is so weak"? Compared to what?
You can also tell us your "solutions" to the weak economy while you are at it... I won't hold my breath though.
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can you please tell me how our "Economy is so weak"? Compared to what?
You can also tell us your "solutions" to the weak economy while you are at it... I won't hold my breath though.
All I'm saying is that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
everyone agrees with that
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Recently read that although the economy is good and wages have somewhat increased, so have the cost of goods and services, which pretty much cancels any benefit for the average Joe. It also means federal employees are getting screwed.
Being retired puts changes the formula somewhat. My guaranteed annuities, increase every August. Whether it's a big enough "raise" to cover the rising cost of goods and services is difficult to predict. My expenses outside of the necessary ones are almost non-existent and definitely under my control.
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All I'm saying is that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
everyone agrees with that
ignoring all questions and spouting off opinion as fact. pussy
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ignoring all questions and spouting off opinion as fact. pussy
you don't agree that the general welfare of our country is currently being affected by serious economic conditions?
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you don't agree that the general welfare of our country is currently being affected by serious economic conditions?
pussy
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pussy
LOL
I guess you agree with me
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Nothing bad about claiming the economy is so weak that he has to cancel a tiny pay increase for federal employees
Trump spent the weekend "studying" the issue (I know, seems bizarre that he would spend any time studying, much less on a weekend) so maybe when he gets back to work on Monday he'll announce he's rescinding the tax give away to corporations due to the weak economy and the need to have a balanced budget.
You’re saying the economy is weak?!lol
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All I'm saying is that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
everyone agrees with that
;D
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You’re saying the economy is weak?!lol
I'm saying that the general welfare of our country is currently being affected by serious economic conditions
does that sound like I'm calling it weak?
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I'm saying that the general welfare of our country is currently being affected by serious economic conditions
does that sound like I'm calling it weak?
It sounds like you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Do you actually think by Trump not giving automatic pay raises is a sign of a weak economy? Define “serious economic conditions”
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It sounds like you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Do you actually think by Trump not giving automatic pay raises is a sign of a weak economy? Define “serious economic conditions”
Isn't it obvious what it means?
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you have to admit that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
Name them.
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Name them.
I thought they were all pretty obvious
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I thought they were all pretty obvious
So you can't name the "serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country"?
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So you can't name the "serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country"?
to be honest I can't name them
can you?
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to be honest I can't name them
can you?
Obviously not, that's why you were asked to enlighten us.
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Obviously not, that's why you were asked to enlighten us.
there must be some...right?
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there must be some...right?
Almost daily, the Oregonian does an article about the hoards of homeless people in Portland. For what ever reason, the homeless are not feeling the wealth of our economy.
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Nothing bad about claiming the economy is so weak that he has to cancel a tiny pay increase for federal employees
Trump spent the weekend "studying" the issue (I know, seems bizarre that he would spend any time studying, much less on a weekend) so maybe when he gets back to work on Monday he'll announce he's rescinding the tax give away to corporations due to the weak economy and the need to have a balanced budget.
How is not taking more money from corporations a "give away"?
Why do you think it is better for the government to take corporations money? Do you think the government spends money they take from others better than those that actually earned it? Why do you put so much trust in the government?
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How is not taking more money from corporations a "give away"?
Why do you think it is better for the government to take corporations money? Do you think the government spends money they take from others better than those that actually earned it? Why do you put so much trust in the government?
I think they (corporations and the uber rich) didn't need a tax cut and I don't think we'll see a net increase in tax revenue (as Republicans promised) and I don't think it will create jobs (as Republican promised ....as as CEO laughed out loud when Gary Cohn asked them)
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All I'm saying is that we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country
everyone agrees with that
No, they don't. Why do you just make things up?
Please answer the question regarding serious economic conditions?
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No, they don't. Why do you just make things up?
Please answer the question regarding serious economic conditions?
agreed, they don't need a tax cut and they won't create any more jobs just because they saved money on taxes.
that's not why companies create jobs which is why the CEO's laughed OUT LOUD when Cohn asked that question
Regarding the "serious economic conditions", I'm not really sure
I just read that somewhere
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Almost daily, the Oregonian does an article about the hoards of homeless people in Portland. For what ever reason, the homeless are not feeling the wealth of our economy.
Do you really believe that the main cause of the homeless problem is due to the economy?
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Almost daily, the Oregonian does an article about the hoards of homeless people in Portland. For what ever reason, the homeless are not feeling the wealth of our economy.
A huge chunk of homeless are mentally ill, another huge chunk are drug addicts, neither group of people will be contributing to society any time soon.
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to be honest I can't name them
can you?
OK, so you're just making it up.
The economic problems are so obvious but you just can't name any?
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there must be some...right?
But you just don't know of any?
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OK, so you're just making it up.
The economic problems are so obvious but you just can't name any?
I'm not making it up
I read it somewhere
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I think they (corporations and the uber rich) didn't need a tax cut and I don't think we'll see a net increase in tax revenue (as Republicans promised) and I don't think it will create jobs (as Republican promised ....as as CEO laughed out loud when Gary Cohn asked them)
And this is it right here folks.
"They" don't need to keep all that money. It doesn't matter if it will increase tax revenue or create jobs, it only matters that they don't "need" to keep the wealth that they generated.
Do you really need, say, that one grand a year that comprises your yearly income.? I mean, would it dramatically change your lifestyle if I took a $100/month from your paycheck? I mean, do you really, really need it?
How much money does a corporation or individual have to make before the government decides it's too much and they don't need it and it should be taken from them.
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agreed, they don't need a tax cut and they won't create any more jobs just because they saved money on taxes.
that's not why companies create jobs which is why the CEO's laughed OUT LOUD when Cohn asked that question
Regarding the "serious economic conditions", I'm not really sure
I just read that somewhere
Oh, you just read it somewhere. Well, why didn't you just say so?
Then I guess we can safely conclude that matter is settled.
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And this is it right here folks.
"They" don't need to keep all that money. It doesn't matter if it will increase tax revenue or create jobs, it only matters that they don't "need" to keep the wealth that they generated.
Do you really need, say, that one grand a year that comprises your yearly income.? I mean, would it dramatically change your lifestyle if I took a $100/month from your paycheck? I mean, do you really, really need it?
How much money does a corporation or individual have to make before the government decides it's too much and they don't need it and it should be taken from them.
Our corporations were already the richest in the world and thanks to the tax cuts Apple just became the first trillion dollar company
If it creates jobs and increases net tax revenue then that's great
If it doesn't create jobs and results in less tax revenue then I guess we all just got fucked by the same trickle down lie yet again
I'm sure we'll make up the difference by denying government workers a 2% pay raise
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Oh, you just read it somewhere. Well, why didn't you just say so?
Then I guess we can safely conclude that matter is settled.
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Our corporations were already the richest in the world and thanks to the tax cuts Apple just became the first trillion dollar company
If it creates jobs and increases net tax revenue then that's great
If it doesn't create jobs and results in less tax revenue then I guess we all just got fucked by the same trickle down lie yet again
I'm sure we'll make up the difference by denying government workers a 2% pay raise
For a company to grow they have to increase their wealth and profits. It's only these gains that allow them to create more jobs.
Now, just for the sake of argument and as a microcosm of how the market economy works, there is a business just a two-minute walk from where I live. Let us just say for some reason their business really takes off. They start selling weed and their profits quadruple. And say they decide not to expand. Just keep the same employees and keep the extra cash for themselves. Then what happens? Well, since their income increased they will be paying more in taxed helping the city. Maybe they will finally decide to paint the peeling, rotting walls of their store. Maybe they will go out to eat more. Buy a new shirt for once. Maybe put more money in the bank that the banks can use to give out loans and investments....
Anytime a company, a person, is successful it is a good thing for that company and/or person and for the economy in general. No jobs or economic transactions are generated by those with no money.
Government workers do not contribute to the economy because their paychecks come from money taken from others that earned it. Taxes.
If we all worked for the government no one will get paid.
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What's your point of taking a snippet from a Trump speech? Some of the dumbest people come out of our universities that have been brainwashed by Leftist ideologies.
'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.'
-- George Orwell
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For a company to grow they have to increase their wealth and profits. It's only these gains that allow them to create more jobs.
Now, just for the sake of argument and as a microcosm of how the market economy works, there is a business just a two-minute walk from where I live. Let us just say for some reason their business really takes off. They start selling weed and their profits quadruple. And say they decide not to expand. Just keep the same employees and keep the extra cash for themselves. Then what happens? Well, since their income increased they will be paying more in taxed helping the city. Maybe they will finally decide to paint the peeling, rotting walls of their store. Maybe they will go out to eat more. Buy a new shirt for once. Maybe put more money in the bank that the banks can use to give out loans and investments....
Anytime a company, a person, is successful it is a good thing for that company and/or person and for the economy in general. No jobs or economic transactions are generated by those with no money.
Government workers do not contribute to the economy because their paychecks come from money taken from others that earned it. Taxes.
If we all worked for the government no one will get paid.
Companies create jobs when there is an increased demand for the goods or services they provide. Period.
Giving corporations a tax windfall doesn't create demand.
That's why all the CEO's couldn't stop from laughing out loud when Cohn asked that question.
What they did with that windfall is what every expert said they would do..
They bought back their stock.
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What's your point of taking a snippet from a Trump speech? Some of the dumbest people come out of our universities that have been brainwashed by Leftist ideologies.
'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.'
-- George Orwell
My point is that I love the poorly educated Trumptard and even more the poorly informed Trumptard. Oops that last one was redundant.
That quote from Orwell reminds me of Republicans belief that tax cuts pay for themselves. Even many Republicans no longer believe that but apparently Trumptards still do.
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Do you really believe that the main cause of the homeless problem is due to the economy?
Although it might seem like I do, I actually don't. At least not completely. There are many reasons for homelessness. In 2017 there was an estimated 554,000 homeless people in America. California had 134,278 homeless folks. Oregon ranked 6th.
Some people, often the mentally ill such as schizophrenics, prefer it to conventional housing. High rents which are a part of the economy are also a cause when low income subsidized housing is not adequately available. Where it's found in Oregon, there are long wait lists to get in. It is second only to Hawaii in its high cost of living. A two bedroom apartment in San Fransisco runs about $4,000 a month.
Federal minimum wage remains as it was a decade ago at $7.75. Hawaii's minimum wage is $10.10 and hour. Oregon's is $10.75. In California it is $11.00 per hour. In March 2018 the U.S. had almost 29 million part time employees. Part time jobs often offer no benefits, such as sick leave, medical insurance or vacation.
Obviously, there is no one single reason/excuse for homelessness. It's real and it isn't going to magically go away anytime soon because there are no simple fixes for it.
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A huge chunk of homeless are mentally ill, another huge chunk are drug addicts, neither group of people will be contributing to society any time soon.
True, and.....
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True, and.....
As long as shitholes like Poorland and San Fagsisco keep encouraging drug addicts and the mentally ill to congregate in those areas without fear of punishment for their wrong doings, you will continue to see almost daily specials on "homelessness"
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Oh, you just read it somewhere. Well, why didn't you just say so?
Then I guess we can safely conclude that matter is settled.
Hey, I just remembered where I read it
It was in a letter from Liar in Chief to the Speaker of the House explaining why he was cancelling scheduled pay raises for federal employees.
This must have been covered by the gang over at Fox and Friend or on many of the reliable right wing news sources
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)
I am transmitting an alternative plan for pay adjustments for civilian Federal employees covered by the General Schedule and certain other pay systems in January 2019.
Title 5, United States Code, authorizes me to implement alternative plans for pay adjustments for civilian Federal employees covered by the General Schedule and certain other pay systems if, because of “national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare,” I view the increases that would otherwise take effect as inappropriate.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-president-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-32/
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Hey, I just remembered where I read it
It was in a letter from Liar in Chief to the Speaker of the House explaining why he was cancelling scheduled pay raises for federal employees.
This must have been covered by the gang over at Fox and Friend or on many of the reliable right wing news sources
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-president-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-32/
Nice try, liar
Title 5, United States Code, authorizes me to implement alternative plans for pay adjustments for civilian Federal employees covered by the General Schedule and certain other pay systems if, because of “national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare,” I view the increases that would otherwise take effect as inappropriate.
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Like I said, he's running the country like a business and to prove it, even more, he specifically said that 'raises should be based on performance" LIKE A BUSINESS!
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Like I said, he's running the country like a business and to prove it, even more, he specifically said that 'raises should be based on performance" LIKE A BUSINESS!
A country can't be run like a business. That is what the problem is.
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A country can't be run like a business. That is what the problem is.
How has it been a problem? Your retirement plummet? Has anyone you know lost money or their job as a result of Trump running the country? When you claim so, please provide an example. ;)
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How has it been a problem? Your retirement plummet? Has anyone you know lost money or their job as a result of Trump running the country? When you claim so, please provide an example. ;)
Sure, the government is not a business. for a smaller example, a police department. If you run a police department like a business it would be a complete disaster. Bottom lines are not the only guiding principle in government where it is in most businesses. And if you are CEO of a company, you have authoritarian control over every aspect. In government there are checks and balances and you don't always have the final say so finesse and being able to work with people is an asset. Those are a couple of the many many differences between running a company and a country
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Sure, the government is not a business. for a smaller example, a police department. If you run a police department like a business it would be a complete disaster. Bottom lines are not the only guiding principle in government where it is in most businesses. And if you are CEO of a company, you have authoritarian control over every aspect. In government there are checks and balances and you don't always have the final say so finesse and being able to work with people is an asset. Those are a couple of the many many differences between running a company and a country
Checks and balances? Congress and the senate ring a bell?
And many police departments are run like businesses, hence the speed traps, seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc.
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Checks and balances? Congress and the senate ring a bell?
And many police departments are run like businesses, hence the speed traps, seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc.
Speed traps, could be. Seat belt helmet laws, nothing to do with the police.
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A country can't be run like a business. That is what the problem is.
For the most part, with the exception of the lefts obstruction, is being ran like a business which why, especially with the economy, is running on all cylinders.
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For the most part, with the exception of the lefts obstruction, is being ran like a business which why, especially with the economy, is running on all cylinders.
God I wish I had your blinders..
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Nice try, liar
Title 5, United States Code, authorizes me to implement alternative plans for pay adjustments for civilian Federal employees covered by the General Schedule and certain other pay systems if, because of “national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare,” I view the increases that would otherwise take effect as inappropriate.
So you saying Trumptard is citing a national emergency
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Companies create jobs when there is an increased demand for the goods or services they provide. Period.
Giving corporations a tax windfall doesn't create demand.
That's why all the CEO's couldn't stop from laughing out loud when Cohn asked that question.
What they did with that windfall is what every expert said they would do..
They bought back their stock.
First of all, shut up already about the CEO laughing. It's a meaningless point. How old are you anyway?
Yes, companies create jobs when their company grows. It grows because of the demand for their goods and services increases. But that's because they increase profits with increasing demand. You make more when you sell more. A company can expand when they have more money to expand and pay for additional employees. Isn't that obvious? It's not the demand per se that creates job expansion, it is the increase in profits as a RESULT of increasing demand that allows a company to expand. So when you let them keep more of their money they have more money to invest.
Again, why do you think that the government that takes money from corporations can spend money better than the corporations that had to actually earn it? Company profits are used to pay employees, hire more employees, and expand their business. So much of government spending is lost in the giant black hole of government bureaucracy.
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My point is that I love the poorly educated Trumptard and even more the poorly informed Trumptard. Oops that last one was redundant.
That quote from Orwell reminds me of Republicans belief that tax cuts pay for themselves. Even many Republicans no longer believe that but apparently Trumptards still do.
Don't speak for Republicans. They do believe that. It's been proven time and again. When people and corporations keep more of their money it creates economic growth increasing the tax base. When the government takes more of their money it stifles economic activity. Ask yourself this: when a company has more money, allowed to keep more of THEIR money, does that increase or decrease job creation?
It's not a zero-sum game. If the government increases taxes across the board on business by, say, 15% it doesn't mean that their tax revenue will increase by 15%.
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True, and.....
and...economic conditions will not change a thing for the majority of the homeless.
Hawaii has a huge homeless problem but unemployment is at it's all-time lowest. I see and interact with the homeless every day. Every damn day. Every single one I see are drunks, drug addicts, and/or mentally ill. They couldn't hold down a job, nor would they want one, so it wouldn't matter if the economy was booming and the minimum wage was $20/hr.
There was never a problem at this level when I was a kid growing up in Hawaii. But then we had something called Sanitoriums. All the drug addicts, mentally ill and drunks were taken off the streets and treated in these facilities. But the ACLU got rid of that. They said it was illegal to confine them to a facility against their will when they committed no crime. But back then, disturbing the peace, loitering, sleeping on bus benches, crapping and urinating in public, and other quality of life issues that effected decent tax paying citizen was a crime.
Another great victory for the ACLU.
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Hey, I just remembered where I read it
It was in a letter from Liar in Chief to the Speaker of the House explaining why he was cancelling scheduled pay raises for federal employees.
This must have been covered by the gang over at Fox and Friend or on many of the reliable right wing news sources
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-president-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-32/
Oh OK. I'll agree with that. Good one.
The ever-expanding government. The ever-expanding government expenditures that were never intended or authorized under the Constitution is indeed one of the most serious economic crisis facing our country today.
Not only should Federal workers, in fact, all government employees; not be given raises, but every attempt should be made to reduce the number of government employees that are a drain on our economy.
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God I wish I had your blinders..
The numbers don’t lie
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Speed traps, could be. Seat belt helmet laws, nothing to do with the police.
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
which part?
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which part?
Seat belts and helmet laws. Where does the revenue go for the tickets written?
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I can think of one in particular that should definitely quit
Interesting how nobody bothered to comment on the that joint training with South Korea is too expensive meanwhile Russia and China are doing the largest joint military training ever
Nubainian, puhleeeeze...The only joint thing cucktards want is to do is smoke one.
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Checks and balances? Congress and the senate ring a bell?
And many police departments are run like businesses, hence the speed traps, seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc.
So we don't lose sight of the debate here.. Your position now is that any law that has a ticket as enforcement is due to raising revenue vs gaining compliance with the law via penalties. In your examples, only one fits that criteria. Speed Traps. The speed trap is generally set up in a transition zone from a higher speed to a lower speed and police target cars intentionally in those zones in order to give tickets out, without regard for whether it was safe or not. That is clearly revenue based. Enforcing traffic laws on the other hand is typically compliance based. Police don't make the laws, it's not up to them if there is a seatbelt law. It is up to them to enforce them when the opportunity presents itself. There is no "business" to it. And before you jump in with the "but there was this one time, at band camp" story, yes I'm sure there have been abuses by departments, but overall, police aren't enforcing laws to raise money. They just don't care about that part of it.
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So we don't lose sight of the debate here.. Your position now is that any law that has a ticket as enforcement is due to raising revenue vs gaining compliance with the law via penalties. In your examples, only one fits that criteria. Speed Traps. The speed trap is generally set up in a transition zone from a higher speed to a lower speed and police target cars intentionally in those zones in order to give tickets out, without regard for whether it was safe or not. That is clearly revenue based. Enforcing traffic laws on the other hand is typically compliance based. Police don't make the laws, it's not up to them if there is a seatbelt law. It is up to them to enforce them when the opportunity presents itself. There is no "business" to it. And before you jump in with the "but there was this one time, at band camp" story, yes I'm sure there have been abuses by departments, but overall, police aren't enforcing laws to raise money. They just don't care about that part of it.
Taxes and fines and penalties of the like are theft in order to pay the parasites on the govt payroll.
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Taxes and fines and penalties of the like are theft in order to pay the parasites on the govt payroll.
What would you propose for someone doing 50mph in a 30 mph residential area? What would you propose in lieu of fines to encourage people to follow the traffic laws?
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What would you propose for someone doing 50mph in a 30 mph residential area?
If they didnt cause an accident or cause damage to property - who cares?
Again - its all wasted $$$ to pay for govt employees who twiddle their thumbs and need to justify their existence.
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If they didnt cause an accident or cause damage to property - who cares?
Again - its all wasted $$$ to pay for govt employees who twiddle their thumbs and need to justify their existence.
ok
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How has it been a problem? Your retirement plummet? Has anyone you know lost money or their job as a result of Trump running the country? When you claim so, please provide an example. ;)
Although my son hasn't lost wages or his job as a civilian working for the Department of Defense, federal employees not getting wage increases isn't a good deal for him. Incidentally, his current job follows a successful 22 year career in the army. Two more years and he'll have earned a second retirement. Let's hope government retirement doesn't plummet. Thirty plus years defending our freedom is worthy of a decent and reliable retirement income.
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Although my son hasn't lost wages or his job as a civilian working for the Department of Defense, federal employees not getting wage increases isn't a good deal for him. Incidentally, his current job follows a successful 22 year career in the army. Two more years and he'll have earned a second retirement. Let's hope government retirement doesn't plummet. Thirty plus years defending our freedom is worthy of a decent and reliable retirement income.
The years he stayed employed while people in private sector people lost jobs make up for that.
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Taxes and fines and penalties of the like are theft in order to pay the parasites on the govt payroll.
Your thinking is surprisingly simplistic and shortsighted. If someone runs a red light and maims or kills you, should they not be fined. Do you not drive on public roads? How do you feel about the military defending the freedoms you enjoy everyday of your life? All these things and more are paid for with tax dollars.
If there is a country that doesn't have taxes, fines and penalties, you should definitely move there. You're not happy or needed in the U.S.
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Your thinking is surprisingly simplistic and shortsighted. If someone runs a red light and maims or kills you, should they not be fined. Do you not drive on public roads? How do you feel about the military defending the freedoms you enjoy everyday of your life? All these things and more are paid for with tax dollars.
If there is a country that doesn't have taxes, fines and penalties, you should definitely move there. You're not happy or needed in the U.S.
The functions of the govt should be minimal and as least necessary to provide basic order and defense. What we have now is an orgy of govt bloate waste and abuse
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The years he stayed employed while people in private sector people lost jobs make up for that.
Really? Your remarks get dumber and more ridiculous with each of your posts.
Why do you think people like my son stay employed? Could it be because their skills and dedication are highly valued?
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The functions of the govt should be minimal and as least necessary to provide basic order and defense. What we have now is an orgy of govt bloate waste and abuse
If you truly believe what you claim, what are you doing to change these things?
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If you truly believe what you claim, what are you doing to change these things?
Taking every possible legal deduction as possible to starve the beast from $$$$$
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Taking every possible legal deduction as possible to starve the beast from $$$$$
Doesn't everyone do this?
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Doesn't everyone do this?
Those who work - most liberal people are on the govt tit and dont pay anything.
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First of all, shut up already about the CEO laughing. It's a meaningless point. How old are you anyway?
Yes, companies create jobs when their company grows. It grows because of the demand for their goods and services increases. But that's because they increase profits with increasing demand. You make more when you sell more. A company can expand when they have more money to expand and pay for additional employees. Isn't that obvious? It's not the demand per se that creates job expansion, it is the increase in profits as a RESULT of increasing demand that allows a company to expand. So when you let them keep more of their money they have more money to invest.
Again, why do you think that the government that takes money from corporations can spend money better than the corporations that had to actually earn it? Company profits are used to pay employees, hire more employees, and expand their business. So much of government spending is lost in the giant black hole of government bureaucracy.
Ah, you don't like it
tough shit
It speaks directly the the main LIE that Republicans used to sell their tax cut
If you want to believe the lie that's fine but I'm not going to stop pointing out it's a lie
You know who else thinks it's a lie, David Stockman - Reagans old budget director and former purveyor or the supply side economic lie
To his credit he realized it was bullshit and has no problem saying so
Of course, this thread is not about that Republican lie but about Trump lie that he can't give Federal workers a measly 2% raise because "we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country"
He never bothered to cite those serious concerns and Trumptards on this board have no idea what he is referring to either
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Nubainian, puhleeeeze...The only joint thing cucktards want is to do is smoke one.
WTF are you talking about
You don't think we need to do joint military training with South Korea, if for no other reason that a show of force for NK and China
We've done it for years until the retard in the White House gave it away for nothing (without even bothering to consult our military leaders)
This is the same moron who wants a military parade
The things you Trumptard think are important are just f'ng weird
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WTF are you talking about
You don't think we need to do joint military training with South Korea, if for no other reason that a show of force for NK and China
We've done it for years until the retard in the White House gave it away for nothing (without even bothering to consult our military leaders)
This is the same moron who wants a military parade
The things you Trumptard think are important are just f'ng weird
You have no clue what the US is doing or not doing with or without South Korea. For that matter, neither do I, but at least I am not a spineless cucktard such as you apparently are. Pathetic imitation of life cucktard to be exact. What I don't think is important is saving idiots such as yourself. You're not worth the life of a single member of our military or our first responders.
You only know what you're told. Here. Allow me...Go fuck your mother. Again.
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You have no clue what the US is doing or not doing with or without South Korea. For that matter, neither do I, but at least I am not a spineless cucktard such as you apparently are. Pathetic imitation of life cucktard to be exact. What I don't think is important is saving idiots such as yourself. You're not worth the life of a single member of our military or our first responders.
You only know what you're told. Here. Allow me...Go fuck your mother. Again.
yep, it's pretty obvious you have no clue and still just as much of a whining bitch as always.
the hair trigger temper out of no where is pretty impressive. Same goes for bringing up my mother.
Very weird response
Also pretty obvious you're a truly miserable person.
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Those who work - most liberal people are on the govt tit and dont pay anything.
When I was on the Govt tit, I was paying $30K a year in taxes. I think you are gravely mistaken in your information
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You have no clue what the US is doing or not doing with or without South Korea. For that matter, neither do I, but at least I am not a spineless cucktard such as you apparently are. Pathetic imitation of life cucktard to be exact. What I don't think is important is saving idiots such as yourself. You're not worth the life of a single member of our military or our first responders.
You only know what you're told. Here. Allow me...Go fuck your mother. Again.
you do tend to get pretty vulgar with the fuck the mother stuff. Is it really necessary in an adult setting?
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So we don't lose sight of the debate here.. Your position now is that any law that has a ticket as enforcement is due to raising revenue vs gaining compliance with the law via penalties. In your examples, only one fits that criteria. Speed Traps. The speed trap is generally set up in a transition zone from a higher speed to a lower speed and police target cars intentionally in those zones in order to give tickets out, without regard for whether it was safe or not. That is clearly revenue based. Enforcing traffic laws on the other hand is typically compliance based. Police don't make the laws, it's not up to them if there is a seatbelt law. It is up to them to enforce them when the opportunity presents itself. There is no "business" to it. And before you jump in with the "but there was this one time, at band camp" story, yes I'm sure there have been abuses by departments, but overall, police aren't enforcing laws to raise money. They just don't care about that part of it.
Police don't make the laws but they get to choose which ones they enforce.
In bold, we'll simply disagree on this one. I feel most tickets are petty bullshit that cops feel the need to do so they can justify driving around all day doing nothing.
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yep, it's pretty obvious you have no clue and still just as much of a whining bitch as always.
the hair trigger temper out of no where is pretty impressive. Same goes for bringing up my mother.
Very weird response
Also pretty obvious you're a truly miserable person.
I do so hope you've taken precautions to ensure you're not passing on those extra chromosomes. I am the same in the real world as I am here because I no longer give a fuck about fuckwits such as yourself. I've been where you're going but have returned you sad, feeble, pathetic little manlet.
I bet you're a ginger midget.
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you do tend to get pretty vulgar with the fuck the mother stuff. Is it really necessary in an adult setting?
I simply speak their language, vulgarities and all and they? They decry it because it singes their flaccid egos (collectively and individually). They so enjoy picking on those who by being descent, will not linguistically defend themselves. I have watched them belittle others who are too polite to strike back. Me? I don't give an intercourse about their fetid feelings.
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I do so hope you've taken precautions to ensure you're not passing on those extra chromosomes. I am the same in the real world as I am here because I no longer give a fuck about fuckwits such as yourself. I've been where you're going but have returned you sad, feeble, pathetic little manlet.
I bet you're a ginger midget.
LOL - pretty obvious from your posts that you don't give a fuck
that's why you've invested so much time posting and going off the rails on a mundane topic to personally attack me and make vile statements about my mother
It's pretty obvious you're a miserable person
That's OK, even though I'm not a christian I can still forgive you
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LOL - pretty obvious from your posts that you don't give a fuck
that's why you've invested so much time posting and going off the rails on a mundane topic to personally attack me and make vile statements about my mother
It's pretty obvious you're a miserable person
That's OK, even though I'm not a christian I can still forgive you
"So much time"...Highlarious indeed. What would take you hours, if not days to compose takes minutes for me. Sometimes even seconds. Speaking of "seconds", Oedipus...
What was it John used to say in person to those he found most vile? Oh yes..."Run along now, boy. I think I hear your mother calling you. For seconds."
It's quite evident that you've been bested again, Pugsley. God doesnt exist, so fuck whatever it is you worship, including your mother.
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Police don't make the laws but they get to choose which ones they enforce.
In bold, we'll simply disagree on this one. I feel most tickets are petty bullshit that cops feel the need to do so they can justify driving around all day doing nothing.
I will agree with you that we can disagree on this.
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"So much time"...Highlarious indeed. What would take you hours, if not days to compose takes minutes for me. Sometimes even seconds. Speaking of "seconds", Oedipus...
What was it John used to say in person to those he found most vile? Oh yes..."Run along now, boy. I think I hear your mother calling you. For seconds."
It's quite evident that you've been bested again, Pugsley. God doesnt exist, so fuck whatever it is you worship, including your mother.
LOL - run along?
I started this thread dipshit
you're the clearly miserable person who chose to show up and decided it was appropriate (out of nowhere) to tell me to go fuck my mother
What happened in your life to make you such a miserable person
I know you used to be fundie and now you're an atheist (something you chose to share)
Is that why you're always so miserable. Just filled with hate that you feel the need to share with everyone?
What did you sky god to make you reject him and turn you into a truly miserable human being?
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I missed it. Is it still because of a “weak” economy?
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State and Federal workers are, with very few exceptions, superfluous overheads on the nation's budget. Their jobs could be done by the private sector for much cheaper and faster results. Exceptions would be the state department, ambassadorships to the UN, White House staff, and of course the brigands in Congress. Otherwise, every government agency - from the U.S. mint to the agency that handles education to the ones that oversees rail, air, and land transport, and so on - could be done privately.
The military already got promised a pay bump and will get it. This "raise" goes counter to the principles of the free market, where you only get paid more if you deserve more or get a promotion. There's countless thousands of desk-bound, mouse-clicking bureaucrats that get six figures or close to basically do nothing essential for the country. If ever this President gets supra-constitutional powers after some national emergency, I hope his first decision is to dissolve almost every government job in existence. The budget deficits will evaporate overnight. ;)
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and...economic conditions will not change a thing for the majority of the homeless.
Hawaii has a huge homeless problem but unemployment is at it's all-time lowest. I see and interact with the homeless every day. Every damn day. Every single one I see are drunks, drug addicts, and/or mentally ill. They couldn't hold down a job, nor would they want one, so it wouldn't matter if the economy was booming and the minimum wage was $20/hr.
There was never a problem at this level when I was a kid growing up in Hawaii. But then we had something called Sanitoriums. All the drug addicts, mentally ill and drunks were taken off the streets and treated in these facilities. But the ACLU got rid of that. They said it was illegal to confine them to a facility against their will when they committed no crime. But back then, disturbing the peace, loitering, sleeping on bus benches, crapping and urinating in public, and other quality of life issues that effected decent tax paying citizen was a crime.
Another great victory for the ACLU.
All perfectly true and accurate.
For instance, in this ongoing story a couple helped some hobo out by putting his story out on social media after he gave them a $20 bill he had to refuel their vehicle. They even set up a gofundme page to help him out and get him back on his feet. Sure enough, the gullible fuckheads in society dumped money into his fund to the tune of over $400,000 USD, which was to be administered by the people that set it up originally. They gave the bum $75,000 up front and promised him more of the rest over time if he quit using drugs and got a job, as well as letting him live on their property. No sooner does he get the money than he blows it on an RV, a new SUV, money for friends, and drugs (and has since lost the vehicles and remaining money). They kicked him off their property. Now he's been dragging them to court for the rest of the money and has three liberal lawyers representing him.
The homeless don't know what do with money if ever they get their hands on it. I must've come across at least 15 of them in my life that I asked if they wanted a job, since such and such place was hiring, and all of them declined and said they didn't want rules, a boss, having to get up at specific hours or stick to a schedule because it bored them. Yet they lived in absolute filth and complained about how unfair life was. These are the people coddled by San Francisco and other liberal cities into having outdoor syringe exchange and drug-ingestion sites, are passed out in the transit system's corridors and stairwells on drugs, and take dumps in public places or come in and out of coffee shops and irritate the patrons by yelling random things out to themselves and smelling like the garbage they sleep in.
These people are beyond help and don't want it, either. They deserve NO sympathy whatsoever. Yes, anyone can technically end up homeless temporarily if they fall behind on rent and lose a job, but there's short-term shelters and temporary staffing agencies for such people if they want to quickly turn things around and get back to normal. These guys have zero interest, much like people abusing the disability system when they're not disabled or living off welfare and food stamps because they just don't feel like working.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/05/400g-in-gofundme-cash-for-homeless-vet-is-gone-lawyer-claims.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/05/400g-in-gofundme-cash-for-homeless-vet-is-gone-lawyer-claims.html)
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Ah, you don't like it
tough shit
It speaks directly the the main LIE that Republicans used to sell their tax cut
If you want to believe the lie that's fine but I'm not going to stop pointing out it's a lie
You know who else thinks it's a lie, David Stockman - Reagans old budget director and former purveyor or the supply side economic lie
To his credit he realized it was bullshit and has no problem saying so
Of course, this thread is not about that Republican lie but about Trump lie that he can't give Federal workers a measly 2% raise because "we're dealing with serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of our country"
He never bothered to cite those serious concerns and Trumptards on this board have no idea what he is referring to either
It's not that I don't like it, it's just that it is arguing against the point you are trying to make making you sound stupid and uninformed. He's laughing at the idea that tax increases, more money to the government, is going to help the economy (increase revenue, create jobs). Money to the government is the most inefficient use of wealth. Money going to the government disappears in the huge black hole of bureaucracy. It is true that after the Reagan tax cuts the deficits continued to increase. But that was not due to the tax cuts per se. After cutting taxes government revenue INCREASED! But government spending increased even more.
If you can put your Leftist brainwashed ideology aside for a minute, just ask yourself this question and answer it honestly:
Is the government in debt because they don't take enough of our money or are they in debt because they spend too much?
I'll ask you again, and if you don't want to answer that's fine, I'm just curious: How old are you?
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As long as shitholes like Poorland and San Fagsisco keep encouraging drug addicts and the mentally ill to congregate in those areas without fear of punishment for their wrong doings, you will continue to see almost daily specials on "homelessness"
"We are the Victim, not you" sounds like a philosophy shared by a certain political party.. where as "other" party members are LEADERS and dig out of the dirt and make themselves normal/successful.. I'm one of them :) i never give/gave up! i have no sympathy for anyone... from what i had to deal with in life.. I've succeeded... not rich but decent living.. that's why i feel ZERO sorrow for VICTIMS.
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It's not that I don't like it, it's just that it is arguing against the point you are trying to make making you sound stupid and uninformed. He's laughing at the idea that tax increases, more money to the government, is going to help the economy (increase revenue, create jobs). Money to the government is the most inefficient use of wealth. Money going to the government disappears in the huge black hole of bureaucracy. It is true that after the Reagan tax cuts the deficits continued to increase. But that was not due to the tax cuts per se. After cutting taxes government revenue INCREASED! But government spending increased even more.
If you can put your Leftist brainwashed ideology aside for a minute, just ask yourself this question and answer it honestly:
Is the government in debt because they don't take enough of our money or are they in debt because they spend too much?
I'll ask you again, and if you don't want to answer that's fine, I'm just curious: How old are you?
Crickets
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Those who work - some people are on the govt tit and dont pay anything.