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Title: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Slapper on November 27, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Anyone know anything about them? My roof is an ice dam machine and need to install something to prevent them from forming.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Brian Poulos on November 27, 2018, 07:09:16 PM
Anyone know anything about them? My roof is an ice dam machine and need to install something to prevent them from forming.

Any suggestions?
Move
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Hypertrophy on November 27, 2018, 07:21:44 PM
Anyone know anything about them? My roof is an ice dam machine and need to install something to prevent them from forming.

Any suggestions?

Sounds more like you need a ridge vent to prevent heat in your attic from building up and causing the ice to form in the first place. I had similar problems when I lived in northern NY. The ridge vent stopped it ( and additional attic insulation)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 27, 2018, 07:23:33 PM
Move

You're an idiot.



First off...INSULATE. Lack of insulation is why you're damning. Hot cold hot cold. You might even have a mold problem so look into that.




SPRAY FOAM.







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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 27, 2018, 07:27:06 PM
Sounds more like you need a ridge vent to prevent heat in your attic from building up and causing the ice to form in the first place. I had similar problems when I lived in northern NY. The ridge vent stopped it ( and additional attic insulation)


You're attic should be the SAME TEMP IT IS OUTSIDE.

Meaning: If its 80 outside...its 80 in your attic. An attic is not a livable space.

Gable, ridge, fans...whatever...but his main problem is INSULATION especially at the floor of the attic because HEAT MUST BE ESCAPING.





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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
Anyone know anything about them? My roof is an ice dam machine and need to install something to prevent them from forming.

Any suggestions?

What type of roof and what’s the slope?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 27, 2018, 07:35:39 PM
What type of roof and what’s the slope?


Has nothing to do with that...go train some high schoolers.



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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 07:44:37 PM

Has nothing to do with that...go train some high schoolers.



WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

How much do you know about roofing, roof structures, specs, etc?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 27, 2018, 07:52:33 PM
How much do you know about roofing, roof structures, specs, etc?

Apparently more than you.


Ice damn form because of heat escaping. Understand?

Even if he were to put a metal roof on its not fixing the underlying problem.

Spray foam. Why? Because you don't need a plastic vapor barrier with that and it seals all air/heat leaks.

If he has a bathroom EXHAUST FAN THAT IS NOT INSULATED...that WILL CAUSE HEAT ESCAPE...ALSO CONDENSATION.

Code now is that all bathroom exhaust fan ducts MUST BE INSULATED.

Regular insulation you should have an air gap between roof and insulation.


ITS NOT CAUSED BY A ROOF YOU DUMMY...ITS CAUSED BY NOT ENOUGH OR IMPROPPERLY INSTALLED INSULATION
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 07:59:51 PM
Apparently more than you.


Ice damn form because of heat escaping. Understand?

Even if he were to put a metal roof on its not fixing the underlying problem.

Spray foam. Why? Because you don't need a plastic vapor barrier with that and it seals all air/heat leaks.

If he has a bathroom EXHAUST FAN THAT IS NOT INSULATED...that WILL CAUSE HEAT ESCAPE...ALSO CONDENSATION.

Code now is that all bathroom exhaust fan ducts MUST BE INSULATED.

Regular insulation you should have an air gap between roof and insulation.


ITS NOT CAUSED BY A ROOF YOU DUMMY...ITS CAUSED BY NOT ENOUGH OR IMPROPPERLY INSTALLED INSULATION

Hi, all of you say helps but would you be willing to bet your account on my answer? I mean, you got your ass handed to you the last time you pulled this shit. I’m not even googling my answers.

So I’ll ask you again, what’s your experience in the roofing industry?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
What type of roof and what’s the slope?

Slapped, let’s start here. Also, what part of the country are you in?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Grape Ape on November 27, 2018, 08:07:00 PM
Anyone know anything about them? My roof is an ice dam machine and need to install something to prevent them from forming.

Any suggestions?

Had pretty bad ice dam damage.  Put a heating cable on the roof and it hasn't been a problem since.   A possible issue is finding a power supply, but I had enough extra slack to run the extra cable down a drainpipe, and I just plug it into a garage outlet.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 27, 2018, 08:08:25 PM
Hi, all of you say helps but would you be willing to bet your account on my answer? I mean, you got your ass handed to you the last time you pulled this shit. I’m not even googling my answers.

You're just upset you lost your gym.


You fail to realize dum dum that I lived in Canada....not this SoCal 55 degree's Oh Its Cold Out Bullshit.


When it snows...in SoCal...check your roof to see if its melting...that means heat is bleeding through...or...get a FLIR.


You're idea of a roofer is going down to the Home Depot and picking up one of the "Latino Boys" who lays shingles.


Heat escape is the MAIN CAUSE OF ICE DAMNING. Heat is getting into the attic causing the freeze thaw.


I'm sure one of your "experts" put some vermiculite in your home...or are you living in a car now?


The SLOPE OF A ROOF has nothing to do with it. Why? Because even if snow is on your roof...if your ATTIC is sealed...it shouldn't be a problem...even though in Montreal on a sunny winter day it has been known to melt snow that is 6 inches...BUT...gutters should be clear and not plugged.


Listen Bub, you're out of your league with this. Go post some Facebook/Instagrammer stuff about torn pecs and argue with Strawface on the Poltics board.




Do yourself a favour....LOG OUT NOW.










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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: AbrahamG on November 27, 2018, 08:11:08 PM
You're just upset you lost your gym.


You fail to realize dum dum that I lived in Canada....not this SoCal 55 degree's Oh Its Cold Out Bullshit.


When it snows...in SoCal...check your roof to see if its melting...that means heat is bleeding through...or...get a FLIR.


You're idea of a roofer is going down to the Home Depot and picking up one of the "Latino Boys" who lays shingles.


Heat escape is the MAIN CAUSE OF ICE DAMNING. Heat is getting into the attic causing the freeze thaw.


I'm sure one of your "experts" put some vermiculite in your home...or are you living in a car now?


Listen Bub, you're out of your league with this. Go post some Facebook/Instagrammer stuff about torn pecs and argue with Strawface on the Poltics board.




Do yourself a favour....LOG OUT NOW.










WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?  


:)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
You're just upset you lost your gym.


You fail to realize dum dum that I lived in Canada....not this SoCal 55 degree's Oh Its Cold Out Bullshit.


When it snows...in SoCal...check your roof to see if its melting...that means heat is bleeding through...or...get a FLIR.


You're idea of a roofer is going down to the Home Depot and picking up one of the "Latino Boys" who lays shingles.


Heat escape is the MAIN CAUSE OF ICE DAMNING. Heat is getting into the attic causing the freeze thaw.


I'm sure one of your "experts" put some vermiculite in your home...or are you living in a car now?


The SLOPE OF A ROOF has nothing to do with it. Why? Because even if snow is on your roof...if your ATTIC is sealed...it shouldn't be a problem...even though in Montreal on a sunny winter day it has been known to melt snow that is 6 inches...BUT...gutters should be clear and not plugged.


Listen Bub, you're out of your league with this. Go post some Facebook/Instagrammer stuff about torn pecs and argue with Strawface on the Poltics board.




Do yourself a favour....LOG OUT NOW.










WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?  


Mother fucker, I don’t care if you lived in fucking Antarctica in a blizzard 80 below freezing. Just because you lived somewhere where it’s “cold” doesn’t make you a roofing expert. Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up, is living in Canada make you some kind of “expert” on roofing? Hey asshole, since you’re a computer wiz, take a look at my past posts and see what I did for over 20 years before I got into doing what do full time.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 27, 2018, 08:27:43 PM
Mother fucker, I don’t care if you lived in fucking Antarctica in a blizzard 80 below freezing. Just because you lived somewhere where it’s “cold” doesn’t make you a roofing expert. Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up, is living in Canada make you some kind of “expert” on roofing? Hey asshole, since you’re a computer wiz, take a look at my past posts and see what I did for over 20 years before I got into doing what do full time.


I AM AN EXPERT IN IT!!!!!!



The first thing I did when I bought a house in California was RIP OUT ALL THE FLEXIBLE DUCT WORK.


Why?


Because its GARBAGE!


Do you know why? BECAUSE OF RESISTANCE.


Mexicans can run that flexible duct work because any dummy can do it. Not many Mexicans are tin knockers or know what a Pittsburgh Joint is.


Sorry Bub, you are out of your league on this one. I've run many HVAC systems in my life and worked with many construction agencies.


In fact...I just helped put in Geo Thermal heating at a friends house. The filters alone on the system run about $500 every 6-12 months with a MERV rating of 10.



Listen...I have some computer things to attend to....one of my many areas of expertise...REMEMBER I AM MENSA MAN.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 08:55:44 PM

I AM AN EXPERT IN IT!!!!!!



The first thing I did when I bought a house in California was RIP OUT ALL THE FLEXIBLE DUCT WORK.


Why?


Because its GARBAGE!


Do you know why? BECAUSE OF RESISTANCE.


Mexicans can run that flexible duct work because any dummy can do it. Not many Mexicans are tin knockers or know what a Pittsburgh Joint is.


Sorry Bub, you are out of your league on this one. I've run many HVAC systems in my life and worked with many construction agencies.


In fact...I just helped put in Geo Thermal heating at a friends house. The filters alone on the system run about $500 every 6-12 months with a MERV rating of 10.



Listen...I have some computer things to attend to....one of my many areas of expertise...REMEMBER I AM MENSA MAN.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?


Wait, because you bought a house and ripped out some antiquated duct work makes you and expert? Also, you do understand that HVAC and Roofing are two different trades and HVAC contractors call in roofing contractors to roof the units in, right? FYI, junior, I was in the commercial roofing industry for over 20 years as an apprentice, journeyman, foreman and superintendent. After that, commercial roof consultant, commercial roof systems design and commercial inspector, after that, residential and commercial contractor. Last of my major jobs (consultating, design and inspection) were the Ford and GM plants throughout the mid-west and east. Last Foreman and Superintendent jobs were overseeing the roofing systems at the LA Convention Center and the then, First Interstate Building in LA. Feel free to state your roofing expertise again?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 27, 2018, 09:44:54 PM
Wait, because you bought a house and ripped out some antiquated duct work makes you and expert? Also, you do understand that HVAC and Roofing are two different trades and HVAC contractors call in roofing contractors to roof the units in, right? FYI, junior, I was in the commercial roofing industry for over 20 years as an apprentice, journeyman, foreman and superintendent. After that, commercial roof consultant, commercial roof systems design and commercial inspector, after that, residential and commercial contractor. Last of my major jobs (consultating, design and inspection) were the Ford and GM plants throughout the mid-west and east. Last Foreman and Superintendent jobs were overseeing the roofing systems at the LA Convention Center and the then, First Interstate Building in LA. Feel free to state your roofing expertise again?

Coach these are good points. Alex is providing us a lot of information as well.  Getbig is one of the best places to learn about anything. I think Henda, Robcguns and Falcon should weigh in as well so we can get a real consensus.

That said do you think based on the events of this past weekend and their reported financial status, Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell would be better off in commercial or residential roofing or removing HVAC ductwork from older homes?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Twaddle on November 27, 2018, 09:54:39 PM
So....... We currently have 2 roofing/attic experts in this thread.  We just need Johnny Falcon, and it'll be a party.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: WalterWhite on November 27, 2018, 10:13:39 PM
You're an idiot.



First off...INSULATE. Lack of insulation is why you're damning. Hot cold hot cold. You might even have a mold problem so look into that.




SPRAY FOAM.







WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

I'll walk with you on this topic. Started my biz career with the pink panther company and have built four houses in NH.

If the roof is warm the damns will build. Proper attic insulation-R40 and venting (roof and soffit) will keep the roof cold and stop damns from building. Also make sure anything which penetrates the ceiling is sealed (caulked etc.) and any access to the attic is sealed and insulated if possible.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 10:52:03 PM
Oh God, you guys are missing this completely. Do you actually think building codes are the (for example because we have no idea where where slapper is from) the same all over the country? Do you not think that this was already taken into consideration? I’ll give you an example just here in California. Years ago (yes, while I was still in roofing) we owned a home in Big Bear, like most of The snowy regions in California the roof pitch was (is) 10/12, 11/12, 12/12 as opposed a 3/12 or 4/12 in the lower lying regions. To “experts” why do you suppose this is?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Sokolsky on November 27, 2018, 11:28:11 PM
Oh God, you guys are missing this completely. Do you actually think building codes are the (for example because we have no idea where where slapper is from) the same all over the country? Do you not think that this was already taken into consideration? I’ll give you an example just here in California. Years ago (yes, while I was still in roofing) we owned a home in Big Bear, like most of The snowy regions in California the roof pitch was (is) 10/12, 11/12, 12/12 as opposed a 3/12 or 4/12 in the lower lying regions. To “experts” why do you suppose this is?

Are you trying to sell Slapper a new roof? You back in the roofing biz?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 27, 2018, 11:34:22 PM
Are you trying to sell Slapper a new roof? You back in the roofing biz?

Lmao...no. I just know roofing.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 28, 2018, 02:06:20 AM
GetBiggers arguing about roofing.. EPIC!

At least it isn't politics or racism??  8)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 28, 2018, 03:35:57 AM
A lot of getbiggers outing themselves as blue collar in this thread.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: sync pulse on November 28, 2018, 04:36:31 AM
A lot depends on the situation with your house...

Is it a tear down?...If it is a tear down, I assume you don't want to put a lot of capital into it, but you don't want to "hurry up" the deterioration.

If it is a tear down...then I would say go ahead a use the heat cables...

If it is a house with a future, then I would say the insulation and re-roof with a ridge vent would be what to do.

Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: funk51 on November 28, 2018, 04:44:54 AM
GetBiggers arguing about roofing.. EPIC!

At least it isn't politics or racism??  8)
      and i thought those two guys were friends. amazing to see people so passionate over roofing.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 05:43:41 AM
A lot of getbiggers outing themselves as blue collar in this thread.
of course no respectable white collars would dare step foot in thunderdome  ;D
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 05:57:35 AM
of course no respectable white collars would dare step foot in thunderdome  ;D


Not blue collar....I Am A Jack Of All Trades...MASTER OF THEM ALL.


You see when you have an IQ of over 140 and a photographic memory...you pick up things a lot quicker than your regular Joe "Plumber".


Coach says that he did that type of work for 20 years...well that's another thing you weren't good at.

Take for example Vince Goodrum: Lives in a trailer...which is similar to the 1977 Hi Top Chevy Van with the Viking mural painted on the side.

Vince offered his remedy of keeping his closet cool in the hot NC summer's. Place ice cube tray at head height. Put standing fan in back of ice cube tray. Sit down in front sipping sweet tea...enjoy.


Blue Collar work isn't ROCKET SCIENCE. Its only ROCKET SCIENCE to those who don't have much brain power.


This is what the supplement industry tries to do to dummies and overweight people. They make it complicated so you buy their supps or programs. "If you're not eating the right foods for your body type, you'll never lose weight".  BULLSHIT...reduce the amount of food going into your mouths. Its pretty simple.


Now you may have learned something...but with the attention span of a wood sprite I'm not holding my breath.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 06:23:06 AM

Not blue collar....I Am A Jack Of All Trades...MASTER OF THEM ALL.


You see when you have an IQ of over 140 and a photographic memory...you pick up things a lot quicker than your regular Joe "Plumber".


Coach says that he did that type of work for 20 years...well that's another thing you weren't good at.

Take for example Vince Goodrum: Lives in a trailer...which is similar to the 1977 Hi Top Chevy Van with the Viking mural painted on the side.

Vince offered his remedy of keeping his closet cool in the hot NC summer's. Place ice cube tray at head height. Put standing fan in back of ice cube tray. Sit down in front sipping sweet tea...enjoy.


Blue Collar work isn't ROCKET SCIENCE. Its only ROCKET SCIENCE to those who don't have much brain power.


This is what the supplement industry tries to do to dummies and overweight people. They make it complicated so you buy their supps or programs. "If you're not eating the right foods for your body type, you'll never lose weight".  BULLSHIT...reduce the amount of food going into your mouths. Its pretty simple.


Now you may have learned something...but with the attention span of a wood sprite I'm not holding my breath.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLLSVIEW?

STFU don't you get tired of hearing yourself speak.i accually agree with your roofing advice I built homes framer for many years after coming out of the marine corps BLUE COLLAR
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 06:27:20 AM
And put myself through school so I didn't have to break my back to make a living so you can take my big fat sprite and suck it.
its people like you who think they are so superior to others when on line but in real life you are nothing more than a scared rabbit
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: sarcafago on November 28, 2018, 07:43:04 AM
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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 28, 2018, 08:22:06 AM
And put myself through school so I didn't have to break my back to make a living so you can take my big fat sprite and suck it.
its people like you who think they are so superior to others when on line but in real life you are nothing more than a scared rabbit

Hi Dan.

Who else would have put you through school besides yourself?

When you say you agree with Fallsy does that mean you disagree with coach?

Thanks
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: TheGrinch on November 28, 2018, 08:24:12 AM
Don't those heating cables cause houses to catch on fire or something??    ??? ???
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 28, 2018, 10:21:34 AM

Not blue collar....I Am A Jack Of All Trades...MASTER OF THEM ALL.


You see when you have an IQ of over 140 and a photographic memory...you pick up things a lot quicker than your regular Joe "Plumber".


Coach says that he did that type of work for 20 years...well that's another thing you weren't good at.

Take for example Vince Goodrum: Lives in a trailer...which is similar to the 1977 Hi Top Chevy Van with the Viking mural painted on the side.

Vince offered his remedy of keeping his closet cool in the hot NC summer's. Place ice cube tray at head height. Put standing fan in back of ice cube tray. Sit down in front sipping sweet tea...enjoy.


Blue Collar work isn't ROCKET SCIENCE. Its only ROCKET SCIENCE to those who don't have much brain power.


This is what the supplement industry tries to do to dummies and overweight people. They make it complicated so you buy their supps or programs. "If you're not eating the right foods for your body type, you'll never lose weight".  BULLSHIT...reduce the amount of food going into your mouths. Its pretty simple.


Now you may have learned something...but with the attention span of a wood sprite I'm not holding my breath.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLLSVIEW?


Most people with "high IQ's" generally don't have a sense of reality or common sense. Case in point is this thread and the other one that you got owned in. Your "mensa" brain couldn't figure out that it was mostly genetics.

Slapper was just trying to figure out a way to keep ice off of his NOW not when we're a few weeks away from winter. Precautions should have taken place during the summer months or before it gets cold enough for ice to form.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
Hi Dan.

Who else would have put you through school besides yourself? most parents pay for college so yea I did

When you say you agree with Fallsy does that mean you disagree with coach? His assessment is pretty spot on coach didn't really give you options

Thanks
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
Don't those heating cables cause houses to catch on fire or something??    ??? ???
no they are coated lines so your safe some people run then along the edge of the roof ive seen them up and down the center they are just an eye sore to look at
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: sync pulse on November 28, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
Don't those heating cables cause houses to catch on fire or something??    ??? ???

no they are coated lines so your safe some people run then along the edge of the roof ive seen them up and down the center they are just an eye sore to look at

They have a thermostat that comes on when it is near freezing or below.

Also, you only connect them to power when there is ice to deal with...
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: IroNat on November 28, 2018, 10:49:06 AM
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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 28, 2018, 10:54:52 AM


I never said he was wrong, but like said earlier, this is a given especially considering what region of the country Slapper is in, more than likely code would call for it. As far as the cable, like you I’ve seen it ran along the eves. I asked what the pitch of the roof was for structural purposes because of the weight of the snow/ice. He needs to get the weight off of the eves where the dam is forming. If it’s solid ice and can’t be loosened best bet would be to higher a roofer and torch the ice off the roof, then install the cable.

After the snow season, go back and re-evaluate the insulation rating and upgrade if necessary. Same the venting system, check and reseal flashing penetrations especially the flashing around the chimney.

If his roof is a 4/12, that’s shit ton of weight on that structure even though I’m sure it’s to code.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Henda on November 28, 2018, 11:03:41 AM
Snow on a roof should only melt once the outside temperature rises although this is rarely the case even with modern insulation recommendations, most roofs are inadequately insulated.

To insulate a roof adequately i like to first strip all the old shit out then cover the entire loft floor with reflective foil insulation using a staple gun to secure to the joists and tape all joints with silver foil tape, this also works as a vapour barrier then simply Cover with standard loft roll insulation in as many layers as needed to a total minimum thickness of 300mm, each layer should run at 90 degrees to the last one so the joints are staggered. Install an insulated loft hatch if it diesent already have one. This is relatively inexpensive and can be done in a day and will reduce heat loss enough to prevent snow melting. House will be far more comfortable in the hot summer months also.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 11:22:30 AM
They have a thermostat that comes on when it is near freezing or below.

Also, you only connect them to power when there is ice to deal with...
correct as well
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 28, 2018, 11:25:36 AM


Bro congrats.

When you say most parents pay for college what do you mean? 70% of all college students have student loan debt so they're paying for this on their own. Even if the other 30% were all financed by parents/family, and they're not because of grants and scholarships, that's not most.

Also my roof has loose blow in insulation, but it's a steep pitch so the ice melts down.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 28, 2018, 11:25:43 AM
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Asshole now I want a banana  ;D

[no homo]
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: obsidian on November 28, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
Yes, adding insulation will help a lot to reduce ice dams. Coach is correct in asking what type of roof / style the home has. An existing bungalow type home where the second floor is built into the roof line will never be as well insulated as a ranch type home where the roof sits on top of the first level (easy to insulate entire attic) and has soffit vents along the eaves and a ridge vent as mentioned. Many homes do not have soffit vents along the eaves (you need a large overhang for this) and a ridge vent actually is useless without soffit vents.

If the house is a tear down then I agree just adding electrical wires will help as a short term solution. Or you can rake the roof during heavy snow falls to get most of it off the roof so it will not melt / freeze to create ice dams. Another option is to turn the thermostat down a bit. You can wear sweaters if it feels to cold. Just don't turn it down too much where the water pipes are in danger of freezing.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 01:42:42 PM
Yes, adding insulation will help a lot to reduce ice dams. Coach is correct in asking what type of roof / style the home has. An existing bungalow type home where the second floor is built into the roof line will never be as well insulated as a ranch type home where the roof sits on top of the first level (easy to insulate entire attic) and has soffit vents along the eaves and a ridge vent as mentioned. Many homes do not have soffit vents along the eaves (you need a large overhang for this) and a ridge vent actually is useless without soffit vents.

If the house is a tear down then I agree just adding electrical wires will help as a short term solution. Or you can rake the roof during heavy snow falls to get most of it off the roof so it will not melt / freeze to create ice dams. Another option is to turn the thermostat down a bit. You can wear sweaters if it feels to cold. Just don't turn it down too much where the water pipes are in danger of freezing.

Coach is WRONG. Regardless of any home...they all have attics for a reason. Newer homes are built tight...usually they have their systems in the attics but you run into problems either way.


You are wrong...95% of homes built throughout the Northeast HAVE SOFFIT VENTS...AND RIDGE VENTS.

Insulation is the number one cause of Ice Damns. Period.

Now LOG OFF GETBIG.





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Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 01:44:44 PM
Most people with "high IQ's" generally don't have a sense of reality or common sense. Case in point is this thread and the other one that you got owned in. Your "mensa" brain couldn't figure out that it was mostly genetics.

Slapper was just trying to figure out a way to keep ice off of his NOW not when we're a few weeks away from winter. Precautions should have taken place during the summer months or before it gets cold enough for ice to form.


I think those Mexican Steroids rotted your brain Brah. I think we'd be really surprised to know the dose you're taking now to maintain that body molded out of granite...I mean Crisco.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Henda on November 28, 2018, 01:50:37 PM
The ventilation in the roof space is to prevent the roof timbers rotting and nothing to do with retaining heat/insulation
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 01:52:51 PM
The ventilation in the roof space is to prevent the roof timbers rotting and nothing to do with retaining heat/insulation

Bingo! An attic should be the same temp it is outside.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 02:02:06 PM
STFU don't you get tired of hearing yourself speak.i accually agree with your roofing advice I built homes framer for many years after coming out of the marine corps BLUE COLLAR


Oh Dear

Marines?

I wouldn't make that known.

So you're in the same catagory as the dude that had his penis cut off by a woman?

The big bad Marine couldn't stop that...John Wayne Bobbit.

Do yourself a favour....LOG OFF NOW...Go get your Marine Skirt outta the closet, take a bus to Pondarosa and eat one of those welfare steaks because you're a blue collar $50 thousand dollar a year BUM.







WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?




Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 28, 2018, 02:42:09 PM
Coach is WRONG. Regardless of any home...they all have attics for a reason. Newer homes are built tight...usually they have their systems in the attics but you run into problems either way.


You are wrong...95% of homes built throughout the Northeast HAVE SOFFIT VENTS...AND RIDGE VENTS.

Insulation is the number one cause of Ice Damns. Period.

Now LOG OFF GETBIG.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?


Now you’re just trolling. And it’s ice DAM Mensa boy.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 28, 2018, 03:27:49 PM

Oh Dear

Marines?

I wouldn't make that known.

So you're in the same catagory as the dude that had his penis cut off by a woman?

The big bad Marine couldn't stop that...John Wayne Bobbit.

Do yourself a favour....LOG OFF NOW...Go get your Marine Skirt outta the closet, take a bus to Pondarosa and eat one of those welfare steaks because you're a blue collar $50 thousand dollar a year BUM.







WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?






You cant win here.

We have an American military vet that WORKED his way through school and may or may not make 50k and hes being called a bum by SoCal living Canadian transplant who was BORN with a photographic  memory and a high iq.

Alex you're flaunting gift as if you earned it. :(
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
Now you’re just trolling. And it’s ice DAM Mensa boy.


How am I trolling?

You are out of touch my friend. Go Gossip with some High School Football players trying to relive your past failures like Uncle Rico.

You make no sense.

The number ONE REASON FOR ICE DAMNS IS INSULATION..

If it wasn't then you would have no problem with a freeze then thaw then freeze.

Your Attic is suppose to be the same temp it is outside.

If it isn't...then YOU HAVE HEAT ESCAPING YOUR HOME INTO YOUR NON LIVABLE SPACE....DUMMY.

https://extension.umn.edu/protecting-home-rain-and-ice/dealing-and-preventing-ice-dams




HERE'S ONE THAT WILL BLOW YOUR MINDS...COLD SPACES ATTRACT BTU'S...DUMMY'S




YOU WILL NEVER WALK WITH FALLSVIEW!!!!!! LOG OFF OF GETBIG NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
You cant win here.

We have an American military vet that WORKED his way through school and may or may not make 50k and hes being called a bum by SoCal living Canadian transplant who was BORN with a photographic  memory and a high iq.

Alex you're flaunting gift as if you earned it. :(


Oh well La Dee Freeking Da....He's Military....So? I don't give respect...its earned. What has he done besides flunking out of high school and going the path of least resistance with joining a branch of the military known for their "easy" work ethic?

In fact I don't even believe he was in the Marines more like the Peace Corp or Coast Guard. 

I earned everything I have achieved. Everything. By taking the right supplements at the right time I have made my thinking like a well oiled machine with pin point accuracy. Unlike Coach who has destroyed brain cells by the use of vet steroids.


And Double D, what gives you the right to question or defend anyone on this board?


What I want you to do is shut your dam mouth, log off of GetBig and walk your ass down to Ralphs and buy the tampons you so desperately need.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 28, 2018, 05:32:38 PM
Coach is WRONG. Regardless of any home...they all have attics for a reason. Newer homes are built tight...usually they have their systems in the attics but you run into problems either way.


You are wrong...95% of homes built throughout the Northeast HAVE SOFFIT VENTS...AND RIDGE VENTS.

Insulation is the number one cause of Ice Damns. Period.

Now LOG OFF GETBIG.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?


Now you’re just trolling. And it’s ice DAM Mensa boy.


 ;D Hmmmmm
Supposedly Mensa member  ::)
Yet can’t spell.

To many letters in that word no doubt.
 ;D
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 05:36:24 PM

 ;D Hmmmmm
Supposedly Mensa member  ::)
Yet can’t spell.

To many letters in that word no doubt.
 ;D


What grade do you teach dummy?

So you're grading me?

What was your final grade on your High School Equivalency test?


You're hanging around Coach too much...you've just achieved Second Hand Stupid.


Now....


What I want you to do is log off GetBig...walk your sorry ass down to Ralphs, meet up with Dave and share that box of tampons.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 28, 2018, 05:44:01 PM

What grade do you teach dummy?

So you're grading me?

What was your final grade on your High School Equivalency test?


You're hanging around Coach too much...you've just achieved Second Hand Stupid.


Now....


What I want you to do is log off GetBig...walk your sorry ass down to Ralphs, meet up with Dave and share that box of tampons.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?



Ohh dear ohh dear
The the Internet Mensa Idiot is offended

Damn or is that dam
You’re so Intellectually Scary
😂😂😂😂😂

WHO WANTS TO BE AS THICK AS YOU
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 28, 2018, 06:07:42 PM

Ohh dear ohh dear
The the Internet Mensa Idiot is offended

Damn or is that dam
You’re so Intellectually Scary
😂😂😂😂😂

WHO WANTS TO BE AS THICK AS YOU

Maybe his photographic memory didn't include spelling
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 06:16:57 PM

Ohh dear ohh dear
The the Internet Mensa Idiot is offended

Damn or is that dam
You’re so Intellectually Scary
😂😂😂😂😂

WHO WANTS TO BE AS THICK AS YOU


LOL....

Illuminati and Coach....two oldies....And here I thought Coach was only interested in High Schoolers...to train that is.


What do you guys do together, boil up some cabbage and Finaplex H cartridges? Rub it on your joints with Ben Gay? 


Dumb and Dumber.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Tapeworm on November 28, 2018, 06:37:50 PM
These roofing threads are tearing this forum apart!
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: WalterWhite on November 28, 2018, 07:06:32 PM
These roofing threads are tearing this forum apart!

We need to add a construction sub forum now. :D

PS attic insulation :)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 28, 2018, 07:15:25 PM
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/5e70f3464dce699189b5dc78b70d022a/tumblr_piwu1cYb6n1xiijevo1_540.jpg)

Ok, now I know who you are. Glad you’re back!
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 28, 2018, 07:26:11 PM

LOL....

Illuminati and Coach....two oldies....And here I thought Coach was only interested in High Schoolers...to train that is.


What do you guys do together, boil up some cabbage and Finaplex H cartridges? Rub it on your joints with Ben Gay? 


Dumb and Dumber.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?


Ohh No
Or should that be Know

Yet another pathetic attempt at a reply
From the resident Mensa Idiot

Here’s an idea for you - Why not try physically threatening Me
Or Talk to Your Servant Ron & Get Me & Coach Banned.  ::)

Remember Fool you’ve already tried those Threats  ::)
To No Avail.

Every Forum Needs a Idiot to Laugh at & Ridicule
Getbig has You.


WHO WANTS TO LAUGH AT & RIDICULE YOU. = EVERYONE.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 07:52:20 PM

Ohh No
Or should that be Know

Yet another pathetic attempt at a reply
From the resident Mensa Idiot

Here’s an idea for you - Why not try physically threatening Me
Or Talk to Your Servant Ron & Get Me & Coach Banned.  ::)

Remember Fool you’ve already tried those Threats  ::)
To No Avail.

Every Forum Needs a Idiot to Laugh at & Ridicule
Getbig has You.


WHO WANTS TO LAUGH AT & RIDICULE YOU. = EVERYONE.


WOW...You really are a DOPE.


Tell me....


Did that 504 Plan help you in school?

Let me guess...You were in an 8-1-1 classroom?

How long did it take you to get rid of the helmet?

Any fond memories of riding on the short bus?

How long was the leash your Mama kept you on?

How many variance's did you have to meet your special ed. needs?

I bet you felt special having a consultant teacher having to read you every question and all.

How was lunch since you couldn't be trusted with sharp objects?

Did your IEP say that you could shit your pants three times a day in order to pay attention better?








You have no clue who you're talking to Stupid.


Illuminati...Do yourself a favour, LOG OFF NOW...go to the bathroom and take a dump like normal people.







WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

 
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 28, 2018, 08:05:03 PM

WOW...You really are a DOPE.


Tell me....


Did that 504 Plan help you in school?

Let me guess...You were in an 8-1-1 classroom?

How long did it take you to get rid of the helmet?

Any fond memories of riding on the short bus?

How long was the leash your Mama kept you on?

How many variance's did you have to meet your special ed. needs?

I bet you felt special having a consultant teacher having to read you every question and all.

How was lunch since you couldn't be trusted with sharp objects?

Did your IEP say that you could shit your pants three times a day in order to pay attention better?








You have no clue who you're talking to Stupid.


Illuminati...Do yourself a favour, LOG OFF NOW...go to the bathroom and take a dump like normal people.







WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

 



Dam
Or is that
Damn

Like a bad smell your still here.

Ohhh I’m so frightened I have no idea who I’m talking to  ::)
More veiled threats = Pathetic

Are We Banned Yet ???
I’ve no need to log off as your going to ban Me.  ::)

I Did Go Take A Dump & It Got Up & Started Posting
On Getbig Under The Name of FallsView.

WHO WANTS TO BE BANNED BY YOU
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 28, 2018, 08:23:21 PM

Dam
Or is that
Damn

Like a bad smell your still here.

Ohhh I’m so frightened I have no idea who I’m talking to  ::)
More veiled threats = Pathetic

Are We Banned Yet ???
I’ve no need to log off as your going to ban Me.  ::)

I Did Go Take A Dump & It Got Up & Started Posting
On Getbig Under The Name of FallsView.

WHO WANTS TO BE BANNED BY YOU

What the hell are you talking about?


Banned? You really are fricking stupid.


Seriously...you really are handicapped. I know I struck a nerve with the Learning Disability stuff but man...this is pure GOLD!!!!



A grown adult worried about being banned.


Tantrum...CRY BABY. Boo Whoo!!!


Go back to the other board and deal with you crap over there we've had enough of your ignorance on here already. In fact take Coach since he probably lost his home by now too.  






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?




P.S. Feels good to be in your head...you dummy.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 28, 2018, 08:27:46 PM
What the hell are you talking about?


Banned? You really are fricking stupid.


Seriously...you really are handicapped. I know I struck a nerve with the Learning Disability stuff but man...this is pure GOLD!!!!



A grown adult worried about being banned.


Tantrum...CRY BABY. Boo Whoo!!!


Go back to the other board and deal with you crap over there we've had enough of your ignorance on here already. In fact take Coach since he probably lost his home by now too.  






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?




P.S. Feels good to be in your head...you dummy.

Actually, far from it. Tomorrow night I’ll take a pic from my patio at sunset overlooking the beach and ocean. You should have saved your college $$ and became a glorified tire flipper.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 28, 2018, 08:38:32 PM

Oh well La Dee Freeking Da....He's Military....So? I don't give respect...its earned. What has he done besides flunking out of high school and going the path of least resistance with joining a branch of the military known for their "easy" work ethic?

In fact I don't even believe he was in the Marines more like the Peace Corp or Coast Guard. 

I earned everything I have achieved. Everything. By taking the right supplements at the right time I have made my thinking like a well oiled machine with pin point accuracy. Unlike Coach who has destroyed brain cells by the use of vet steroids.


And Double D, what gives you the right to question or defend anyone on this board?


What I want you to do is shut your dam mouth, log off of GetBig and walk your ass down to Ralphs and buy the tampons you so desperately need.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?



:(

I want to be smarter.

Which Ralph's location: Haven, Milliken or Highland? Can I go to Food4less instead, they are also a Kroger property and they offer a reasonable financial savings on many products.


I didn't imply you dont work hard for your success I said you have genetic advantages.

Dont take your emotional frustrations with Coachs success out on the getbig collective Lostsight.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: obsidian on November 28, 2018, 10:51:00 PM
Coach is WRONG. Regardless of any home...they all have attics for a reason. Newer homes are built tight...usually they have their systems in the attics but you run into problems either way.


You are wrong...95% of homes built throughout the Northeast HAVE SOFFIT VENTS...AND RIDGE VENTS.

Insulation is the number one cause of Ice Damns. Period.

Now LOG OFF GETBIG.


WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

I have seen many older homes that do not have soffit vents. And some homes have knee wall attics and another attic at the top. If the second floor is built into the roof line there will be many clipped ceilings and if you have 2x6 rafters you cannot insulate that sloped part of the ceiling. You can add baffles but need to keep it open so the knee wall attic can vent up to the upper attic in the absence of a soffit vent. Some older homes can be modified to have soffit vents along the eaves but it is a big job that will not be cheap.

Hey Fallsview, you are absolutely correct good and proper insulation along with good venting will eliminate ice dams. You are also 100% correct that the attic has to be unconditioned and the same temperature as the outside. You want an ice cold attic in the winter.

Now there are other things you can do with a warmer attic. You can install a metal roof on cross battens. There will be an air gap between the metal roof panels and the sheathing and the heat will not transfer as easily from the warm attic to the metal roof. That will also help to reduce ice dams.

Fallsview, what are you going to do if you want an insulated cathedral ceiling? You go with a super insulated, unvented attic space. In this case the attic is living space since it is a cathedral ceiling. You insulate the entire outside of the roof with rigid foam insulation and you can add another layer of unfaced insulation on the interior that will dry out. If it is faced insulation moisture could travel from the exterior and get trapped because of the vapor barrier and that could lead to rotted sheathing.

https://www.finehomebuilding.com/2011/11/10/an-unvented-superinsulated-roof

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/finehomebuilding.s3.tauntoncloud.com/app/uploads/2016/04/09111425/021224085_ld.jpg)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: obsidian on November 28, 2018, 11:07:05 PM
Bad insulation / air leaks and bad venting create another even bigger problem than ice dams: moisture / humidity in the attic.

https://fyi.uwex.edu/house/about-the-house/moisture-problems/
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 29, 2018, 12:19:32 AM
What the hell are you talking about?


Banned? You really are fricking stupid.


Seriously...you really are handicapped. I know I struck a nerve with the Learning Disability stuff but man...this is pure GOLD!!!!



A grown adult worried about being banned.


Tantrum...CRY BABY. Boo Whoo!!!


Go back to the other board and deal with you crap over there we've had enough of your ignorance on here already. In fact take Coach since he probably lost his home by now too.  






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?




P.S. Feels good to be in your head...you dummy.


Dam
Or do I mean Damn

Hey Member of Somlian branch of Mensa
Entry qualification IQ of 49.

Are you back tracking ?
Did you not in a previous thread
1, Attempt to physically threaten Me   ::)
2, Threaten Me with being Banned

As I don’t know who I’m dealing with & You are
Best Buddies with Ron.

Retard NO I’m not worried about being Banned
You want to Give it The Big I Am
So I’ll call you out over it.

As You called pulled up over spelling
Grow some Testicular Fortitude
Man the Fuck up
Admit it
And Move on.


WHO WANTS TO LEARN TO SPELL WITH YOU
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 29, 2018, 02:55:50 AM
I have seen many older homes that do not have soffit vents. And some homes have knee wall attics and another attic at the top. If the second floor is built into the roof line there will be many clipped ceilings and if you have 2x6 rafters you cannot insulate that sloped part of the ceiling. You can add baffles but need to keep it open so the knee wall attic can vent up to the upper attic in the absence of a soffit vent. Some older homes can be modified to have soffit vents along the eaves but it is a big job that will not be cheap.

Hey Fallsview, you are absolutely correct good and proper insulation along with good venting will eliminate ice dams. You are also 100% correct that the attic has to be unconditioned and the same temperature as the outside. You want an ice cold attic in the winter.

Now there are other things you can do with a warmer attic. You can install a metal roof on cross battens. There will be an air gap between the metal roof panels and the sheathing and the heat will not transfer as easily from the warm attic to the metal roof. That will also help to reduce ice dams.

Fallsview, what are you going to do if you want an insulated cathedral ceiling? You go with a super insulated, unvented attic space. In this case the attic is living space since it is a cathedral ceiling. You insulate the entire outside of the roof with rigid foam insulation and you can add another layer of unfaced insulation on the interior that will dry out. If it is faced insulation moisture could travel from the exterior and get trapped because of the vapor barrier and that could lead to rotted sheathing.

https://www.finehomebuilding.com/2011/11/10/an-unvented-superinsulated-roof

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/finehomebuilding.s3.tauntoncloud.com/app/uploads/2016/04/09111425/021224085_ld.jpg)


Try to follow....I write in points to make it easier for the dummies.


1. While roof ventilation can lower the risk of ice damming it is ESSENTIAL FOR BUILDERS TO LIMIT THE FLOW OF HEAT ESCAPING INTO THE ROOF.

2. Cathedral Ceilings are NOT married to the roof dummie...THERE IS AN AIR BARRIER....WHICH SHOULD BE FILLED WITH SPRAY FOAM TO MAKE IT LEAK TIGHT.

3. IN THE ABSENCE OF AN AIRTIGHT CEILING...ROOF VENTILATION CAN DO MORE HARM....why? BECAUSE OF MOISTURE!!!!!!! Moisture leads to MOULD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4. In the PAST builders believed a CATHEDRAL CEILING HAD TO BE VENTED...IT DOES NOT...BUT NEEDS A BARRIER THAT IS LEAK TIGHT...USUALLY 1 TO 2 INCHES...SPRAY FOAM.


Okay...take for an example an ABANDONED HOME  in the middle of WINTER. All services are cut off (like Coaches house and gym) Are there any ICE DAMS?
No because there is no heat.

Escaping heat causes ICE DAMS.

You are not following what I previously said....Some attics CAN BE AIR TIGHT BECAUSE THEY KEEP THEIR MECHANICALS IN THERE.  What does AIRTIGHT MEAN? SEALED!!!!! NO ESCAPING HEAT. AND ITS THE SAME TEMP AS THE REST OF OF THE HOUSE...NOT TEMP OUTSIDE.





DID YOU LEARN SOMETHING?




WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 29, 2018, 02:59:20 AM

Dam
Or do I mean Damn

Hey Member of Somlian branch of Mensa
Entry qualification IQ of 49.

Are you back tracking ?
Did you not in a previous thread
1, Attempt to physically threaten Me   ::)
2, Threaten Me with being Banned

As I don’t know who I’m dealing with & You are
Best Buddies with Ron.

Retard NO I’m not worried about being Banned
You want to Give it The Big I Am
So I’ll call you out over it.

As You called pulled up over spelling
Grow some Testicular Fortitude
Man the Fuck up
Admit it
And Move on.


WHO WANTS TO LEARN TO SPELL WITH YOU


Look at you...what a moron.



I bet that post took you a full two hours to complete.










WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 29, 2018, 05:41:54 AM

Oh well La Dee Freeking Da....He's Military....So? I don't give respect...its earned. What has he done besides flunking out of high school and going the path of least resistance with joining a branch of the military known for their "easy" work ethic?

In fact I don't even believe he was in the Marines more like the Peace Corp or Coast Guard. 

I earned everything I have achieved. Everything. By taking the right supplements at the right time I have made my thinking like a well oiled machine with pin point accuracy. Unlike Coach who has destroyed brain cells by the use of vet steroids.


And Double D, what gives you the right to question or defend anyone on this board?


What I want you to do is shut your dam mouth, log off of GetBig and walk your ass down to Ralphs and buy the tampons you so desperately need.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?


Once again you attack people because of your own inadequacies and no I didn't fail out of school I was a B student had to be in order to play sports. 2] I  joined the marines because I wanted to serve best thing ive ever done except for my two boys. the benefits of college tuition mostly paid for... Ive earned everything on my own in life nice house great wife great job and I make more than 80k a year the full amount is none of your business..

So stop trying to cut people down all the time you should assess your own life and what have you accomplished,
Also I was in parris island December 22nd 1984 3rd battalion H Company troop class 3015



NO ONE WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSFAIL............... ....
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
Is Fallsview still trying to science his explaination out something that needs immediate attention or does he just want to rebuild Slappers house in the middle of winter and start from scratch?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 29, 2018, 08:52:42 AM
Is Fallsview still trying to science his explaination out something that needs immediate attention or does he just want to rebuild Slappers house in the middle of winter and start from scratch?
let the roof thing go its just not that important  :-*
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 08:54:56 AM
let the roof thing go its just not that important  :-*

I know. Just thought I’d stir shit. I’ll stop ;D
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 29, 2018, 08:58:59 AM
Once again you attack people because of your own inadequacies and no I didn't fail out of school I was a B student had to be in order to play sports. 2] I  joined the marines because I wanted to serve best thing ive ever done except for my two boys. the benefits of college tuition mostly paid for... Ive earned everything on my own in life nice house great wife great job and I make more than 80k a year the full amount is none of your business..

So stop trying to cut people down all the time you should assess your own life and what have you accomplished,
Also I was in parris island December 22nd 1984 3rd battalion H Company troop class 3015



NO ONE WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSFAIL............... ....


Oh what were you doing in Paris...eating a baguette?

Nobody cares....you weren't even in combat.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 29, 2018, 08:59:59 AM
I know. Just thought I’d stir shit. I’ll stop ;D

The only shit you're stirring is that you are a major failure in life. Get ready Skid Row....you'll be doing garbage can diet with shopping cart clean and jerks.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: ilalin on November 29, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Oh!  Coach was a roofer..didn't realize....well, it clarifies my views...
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 29, 2018, 10:43:17 AM

Oh what were you doing in Paris...eating a baguette?

Nobody cares....you weren't even in combat.





WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
FAIL
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 11:31:20 AM
Oh!  Coach was a roofer..didn't realize....well, it clarifies my views...

You have a problem with this?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Grape Ape on November 29, 2018, 11:47:00 AM
You have a problem with this?

Do not respond to no0bs with low post counts.

PM the poster Hulkotron for the charts showing who is worthy of a response.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 29, 2018, 12:41:25 PM
FAIL


LOL...a big Marine getting all flustered over a Internet Bodybuilding forum....either you're a retard, have PTSD (highly unlikely since you did nothing in the service) OR you're just a big mouth flapping your gums and flunked out of the military because you couldn't cut it.


So I guess that sums up this topic.


Coach was proven wrong. He's a big mouth that thinks he knows everything.





Again...Only a few chosen people can Walk With FALLSVIEW...….



CAN YOU?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: dan18 on November 29, 2018, 12:48:39 PM

LOL...a big Marine getting all flustered over a Internet Bodybuilding forum....either you're a retard, have PTSD (highly unlikely since you did nothing in the service) OR you're just a big mouth flapping your gums and flunked out of the military because you couldn't cut it.


So I guess that sums up this topic.


Coach was proven wrong. He's a big mouth that thinks he knows everything.





Again...Only a few chosen people can Walk With FALLSVIEW...….



CAN YOU?
looking for attention fail...



Go get your shine box little man and buff off my cock  8)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 12:56:28 PM

LOL...a big Marine getting all flustered over a Internet Bodybuilding forum....either you're a retard, have PTSD (highly unlikely since you did nothing in the service) OR you're just a big mouth flapping your gums and flunked out of the military because you couldn't cut it.


So I guess that sums up this topic.


Coach was proven wrong. He's a big mouth that thinks he knows everything.





Again...Only a few chosen people can Walk With FALLSVIEW...….



CAN YOU?

How was I proven wrong Mensa boy ?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 29, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
How was I proven wrong Mensa boy ?

MENSA MAN...THATS MAN....You know what MENSA means  Coach?


You probably thought is was a City in Arizona.




WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW? 
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 29, 2018, 04:33:08 PM

Dam
Or do I mean Damn

Hey Member of Somlian branch of Mensa
Entry qualification IQ of 49.

Are you back tracking ?
Did you not in a previous thread
1, Attempt to physically threaten Me   ::)
2, Threaten Me with being Banned

As I don’t know who I’m dealing with & You are
Best Buddies with Ron.

Retard NO I’m not worried about being Banned
You want to Give it The Big I Am
So I’ll call you out over it.

As You called pulled up over spelling
Grow some Testicular Fortitude
Man the Fuck up
Admit it
And Move on.


WHO WANTS TO LEARN TO SPELL WITH YOU


Look at you...what a moron.



I bet that post took you a full two hours to complete.


WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?

Run along BOY

You’ve Been Owned

Jeez you can’t even admit when your wrong & called out.

WHO WANTS TO OWN SOMALI MENSA BOY 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Zillotch on November 29, 2018, 05:10:27 PM
pool roof

(https://g3.dcdn.lt/images/pix/casa-brutale-73309880.jpg)

(https://i2.wp.com/www.ifitshipitshere.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/casa-brutale-8.jpg?resize=800%2C751)

(http://www.gardenanddecoration.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/glass-house-in-cliff.jpg)

(http://alray.ps/ar/thumb.php?src=uploads//images/dde5fb60921a4662295e85a51efb08a4.jpg&w=1000&zc=1)

(https://archspeech.com/image/gallery/b_5c278a381402fe4bbf0929975c206bc2.jpg)

(http://webluxo.com.br/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/casa-penhasco-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 07:54:04 PM
pool roof

(https://g3.dcdn.lt/images/pix/casa-brutale-73309880.jpg)

(https://i2.wp.com/www.ifitshipitshere.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/casa-brutale-8.jpg?resize=800%2C751)

(http://www.gardenanddecoration.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/glass-house-in-cliff.jpg)

(http://alray.ps/ar/thumb.php?src=uploads//images/dde5fb60921a4662295e85a51efb08a4.jpg&w=1000&zc=1)

(https://archspeech.com/image/gallery/b_5c278a381402fe4bbf0929975c206bc2.jpg)

(http://webluxo.com.br/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/casa-penhasco-2.jpg)

Where is this???
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Vince B on November 29, 2018, 09:26:26 PM
The lesson we learn from this thread is that it matters not how long someone has been doing something...work, bodybuilding, etc.,...it doesn't mean that person is an expert.

I side with the Canadian. They know icicles and all that cold, bitter winter stuff. The Coach? He is expert in nothing at all.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 09:31:02 PM
The lesson we learn from this thread is that it matters not how long someone has been doing something...work, bodybuilding, etc.,...it doesn't mean that person is an expert.

I side with the Canadian. They know icicles and all that cold, bitter winter stuff. The Coach? He is expert in nothing at all.
Yet you continue to avoid debate with me.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 29, 2018, 09:38:16 PM
The lesson we learn from this thread is that it matters not how long someone has been doing something...work, bodybuilding, Hypertrophy etc.,...it doesn't mean that person is an expert.

I side with the Canadian. They know icicles and all that cold, bitter winter stuff. The Coach? He is expert in nothing at all.

Vince.  Glass houses and stones.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2018, 09:39:39 PM
Did Vince leave again?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Dave D on November 29, 2018, 09:57:58 PM
Did Vince leave again?

Probably
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 29, 2018, 11:52:54 PM
Where is this???

Lebanon iirc
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: sync pulse on November 30, 2018, 12:43:07 AM
I wonder what kind of response he would have gotten if he had asked about a "French Drain"....
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 30, 2018, 03:59:54 AM
Run along BOY

You’ve Been Owned

Jeez you can’t even admit when your wrong & called out.

WHO WANTS TO OWN SOMALI MENSA BOY 😂😂😂😂😂


LOL...who was owned?


The only people exposed in this post are YOU AND COACH.


You completley flipped out.


Hysterical.


Which leads me to believe you really are a WOMAN.


No REAL MAN WOULD EVER GET SO BENT OUT OF SHAPE AND DEFEND ANOTHER MAN...LIKE YOU.


Are you TRANSISTIONING?








WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Tapeworm on November 30, 2018, 04:13:23 AM
what are you going to do if you want an insulated cathedral ceiling?

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/finehomebuilding.s3.tauntoncloud.com/app/uploads/2016/04/09111425/021224085_ld.jpg)

For my own 2nd level addition I intend to drop the ceiling on hanger rods to create a fat insulated space.  Retarded fat.  Like 2-3 feet.  (Walls are going to be similarly beefy and I'll use the reveal over windows and doors to house automated insul-curtains.) I'll install fiber cement between the rafters, giving a 3 inch plenum between the sheet and underside of the roof, to let natural convection evacuate warmer air.  If I don't use clay tile or slate then I'll vent the eaves and ridge, but I detest corrugated metal.  Ain't nobody using ply and tar paper here.
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 30, 2018, 05:55:04 AM

LOL...who was owned?


The only people exposed in this post are YOU AND COACH.


You completley flipped out.


Hysterical.


Which leads me to believe you really are a WOMAN.


No REAL MAN WOULD EVER GET SO BENT OUT OF SHAPE AND DEFEND ANOTHER MAN...LIKE YOU.


Are you TRANSISTIONING?








WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?



Go away FOOL
You've been called on your spelling & you cant handle it - Oh Dam or is that Damn  ;D

You've also been exposed for making Stupid physical threats - over the internet one anonymous person to another   ::)
FFS You really are a Dimwit.

Look how many in this thread have turned on You yet you carry on like the Fool You Are.

Delusional denial.

WHO WANTS TO BE A FOOL LIKE FOOLSVIEW
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 30, 2018, 06:34:15 PM

Go away FOOL
You've been called on your spelling & you cant handle it - Oh Dam or is that Damn  ;D

You've also been exposed for making Stupid physical threats - over the internet one anonymous person to another   ::)
FFS You really are a Dimwit.

Look how many in this thread have turned on You yet you carry on like the Fool You Are.

Delusional denial.

WHO WANTS TO BE A FOOL LIKE FOOLSVIEW

I'm toyying with you. Your two stupid to understand though.



LOL...Love it.


I'm a member of MENSA...that means my IQ is 140 or better.


What's yours? Let me guess...you have no clue and no desire to find out...ignorance if really bliss.


You showed your lack of control.


You were played and made out to be a fool.


Good luck in all your future endeavours.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?


Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Grape Ape on November 30, 2018, 08:11:48 PM
Your two stupid to understand though.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/310MSrfPTUuFa/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 30, 2018, 08:23:08 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/310MSrfPTUuFa/giphy.gif)

“I'm toyying”
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on November 30, 2018, 10:07:59 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/310MSrfPTUuFa/giphy.gif)


Hugh Got Me....Your Just two smart for me....



Grape Ape...You're the biggest retard on this board.


You don't even lift.


Is your face still all red and shit?


Grape Ape...Gettin' dat Second Hand Stupid from Coach.



You dummies are just too easy.








WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on November 30, 2018, 11:19:01 PM
I'm toyying with you. Your two stupid to understand though.



LOL...Love it.


I'm a member of MENSA...that means my IQ is 140 or better.


What's yours? Let me guess...you have no clue and no desire to find out...ignorance if really bliss.


You showed your lack of control.


You were played and made out to be a fool.


Good luck in all your future endeavours.






WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?





Dam or is it Damn
 :'( :'( :'(

Mensa member  ::)
Somali Branch entry requirement IQ of 49

Are we supposed to be impressed?

You’ve been Exposed / Ridiculed / Called out
Yet to Stupid to see it.

All you able to do is try to slag off all the members
Who have rounded on you - Yeah Reality Intelligent- Not

WHO WANTS TO BE A FOOL WITH FOOLSVIEW
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: Fallsview on December 01, 2018, 01:09:19 PM

Dam or is it Damn
 :'( :'( :'(

Mensa member  ::)
Somali Branch entry requirement IQ of 49

Are we supposed to be impressed?

You’ve been Exposed / Ridiculed / Called out
Yet to Stupid to see it.

All you able to do is try to slag off all the members
Who have rounded on you - Yeah Reality Intelligent- Not

WHO WANTS TO BE A FOOL WITH FOOLSVIEW



I've been exposed?

I pulled you into a game.

But...

YOUR...hahaha...two....h ahahaha...stoopid.....ha hahah...too....hahahah.. ..overstand....hahahah




DO YOU GET IT NOW?




Probably not.





The only thing exposed in this thread is YOUR MAN LOVE FOR A OUT OF SHAPE, WHEEZING COACH.



Why is that?


Do you buy steroids off of him or vice versa?



Take an IQ test and post up the results.



You won't because you'll be face with the real world result that you are nothing but a big DUMMY







WHO WANTS TO WALK WITH FALLSVIEW?
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: chaos on December 01, 2018, 01:13:45 PM
Hottest thread on getbig...and it's about de-icing roofs. LOL
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: illuminati on December 01, 2018, 01:19:23 PM
Oh Dam
Or Is That Damn


Why are you now also Sending PM to Me

Say what you have to say out in the open on this Thread.

All you’re capable of doing is Deflecting & or Try and Bad Mouth Others

Get some Help Soon.



WHO WANTS TO JOIN THE SOMALI MENSA BRANCH WITH FOOLSVIEW
Title: Re: Roof de-icing cable
Post by: 2ND COMING on December 01, 2018, 01:21:15 PM
Hottest thread on getbig...and it's about de-icing roofs. LOL

lol