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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/12/27/trump-vietnam-war-bone-spur-diagnosis/2420475002/
WASHINGTON – Two daughters of a New York podiatrist say that 50 years ago their father diagnosed President Donald Trump with bone spurs in his heels as a favor to the doctor's landlord, Fred Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.
Trump received five deferments from the draft for military service during the Vietnam War. He received four education deferments while he was a college student and a fifth deferment in 1968 for a medical exemption after he graduated.
Larry Braunstein, who died in 2007, rented a ground floor office in a building owned by Trump in Jamaica, Queens. His daughters, Elysa Braunstein, 56, and Sharon Kessel, 53, told the Times that their father's role in Trump's diagnosis had become "family lore."
"It was something we would always discuss," Elysa Braunstein told the Times. She and her sister are both Democrats who oppose Trump, according to the newspaper.
Elysa Braunstein said their father made the diagnosis to gain access to the landlord and that she didn't know if her father even examined the junior Trump.
"I know it was a favor," Elysa Braunstein said.
"What he got was access to Fred Trump," she told the Times. "If there was anything wrong in the building, my dad would call and Trump would take care of it immediately. That was the small favor that he got."
The women did not offer any documentation to back up their claims. They said their father's story also involved a second podiatrist, Manny Weinstein, who died in 1995. Weinstein's landlord was also Fred Trump.
The White House did not make Trump available for a follow-up interview to the New York Times and did not respond to written questions about his service record.
In October, the Times reported on how much Fred Trump helped his son through the years, giving him what today would be more than $410 million.
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whats your point?
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lol... ::)
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So these two daughters are telling the world their father was an unethical POS. Cool story Sis!
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So these two daughters are telling the world their father was an unethical POS. Cool story Sis!
Beat me to it.
Not to mention, why wouldn’t you go see a doctor who rented from you? ???
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So these two daughters are telling the world their father was an unethical POS. Cool story Sis!
Wasn’t Blumenthal, a lib that was claiming he was in Vietnam when actually it was proven that he lied about his service. I believe they call that Stolen Valor. How come no mention of that, hypocrites?
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Fake news.
Trump just keeps winning and winning.
6 more years of prosperity and snowflake hissy fits.
#MAGA
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maybe trump isnt a warrior, but a lover
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Remember a yesterday CNN and the rest of the MSM were on him for not visiting the troops in Iraq at Christmas time.....while he was there? Lmao
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Remember a yesterday CNN and the rest of the MSM were on him for not visiting the troops in Iraq at Christmas time.....while he was there? Lmao
He doesn’t do himself any favors with the way he talks, but the media is on the dude waaaaaaay too much.
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surely he's doing the best he can !
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whats your point?
Easy, Trump and his father weren't above lying to keep him out of military service. Secondly, Trump is not a self-made man as some people like to think he is.
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Fake news.
Trump just keeps winning and winning.
6 more years of prosperity and snowflake hissy fits.
#MAGA
Of course, anything his "base" doesn't like reported by the media is labeled "fake news." ::)
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maybe trump isnt a warrior, but a lover
Define lover.
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surely he's doing the best he can !
Well said. Sometimes his best just isn't good enough.
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Well said. Sometimes his best just isn't good enough.
Yes, because the entire economy is in the shitter ::)
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Yes, because the entire economy is in the shitter ::)
You mean like it was in 2008?
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Easy, Trump and his father weren't above lying to keep him out of military service. Secondly, Trump is not a self-made man as some people like to think he is.
Do you have a problem with the alleged source of the infor or that there is no way to corroborate the story?
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They (libtards) love John "Herman Munster / Traitor" Kerry though. ::)
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Do you have a problem with the alleged source of the infor or that there is no way to corroborate the story?
If someone is deferred 5 times, there must be a record somewhere. Check out line 10.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/02/us/politics/02trumpvietnam-record/02trumpvietnam-record-popup.jpg)
(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/politics/trump-draft-card.html?action-click&contentCollection=U.S.®ion=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia)
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/politics/trump-draft-card.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.®ion=Footer&module=WhatsNext&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&moduleDetail=undefined&pgtype=Multimedia
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Hahaha.
It's about to be 2019. I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now. I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.
Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020. Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.
Better luck next time.
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Hahaha.
It's about to be 2019. I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now. I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.
Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020. Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.
Better luck next time.
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People (the media) protested the war and spit on the soldiers who came home from Vietnam.
If trump had fought in that war he might not have lived and then he wouldn't be president today, so I think he made a good decision.
If you look strictly at the facts, and its a strange turn of events (protesting the Vietnam war, encouraging draft dodging) the liberals created the very President they love to hate.
Also these daughters should be charged for leaking medical records.
SF1900 thanks for helping us see the light.
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Trumpster is Boss.
Deal with it.
He’s not perfect, but his heart is in the right place, and he loves his country and the west.
MAGA!
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(((Braunstein)))
“We feel like it was a favor, as his Democrat daughters we believe this.”
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Hahaha.
It's about to be 2019. I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now. I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.
Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020. Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.
Better luck next time.
I'm a liberal and like you I don't give a flying fuck about Trump's draft status either. He's done plenty of debatable things in the last two years which are relevant to what people think about his performance in office. It's just when someone says that something reported about Trump which they don't like is immediately labeled fake news. Things like his draft status isn't relevant news which is quite different from saying it is fake news.
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I'm a liberal and like you I don't give a flying fuck about Trump's draft status either. He's done plenty of debatable things in the last two years which are relevant to what people think about his performance in office. It's just when someone says that something reported about Trump which they don't like is immediately labeled fake news. Things like his draft status isn't relevant news which is quite different from saying it is fake news.
Irrelevant news
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Trumpster is Boss.
Deal with it.
He’s not perfect, but his heart is in the right place, and he loves his country and the west.
MAGA!
I highly doubt that, like all people in his position, all he cares about is himself, getting attention, and making lots of money
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I highly doubt that, like all people in his position, all he cares about is himself, getting attention, and making lots of money
Other than Mother Teresa or Ghandi, everyone cares about money.
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Other than Mother Teresa or Ghandi, everyone cares about money.
whatabout Hitler
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whatabout Hitler
He dodged the Austrian draft but joined the Bavarian army. HTH
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Hahaha.
It's about to be 2019. I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now. I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.
Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020. Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.
Better luck next time.
i suppose it's an issue because of the way trump tried to disparage mccain's service in vietnam....didn't he say something along the lines of "i prefer my war heroes not captured"
a bit rich coming from someone who dodged the draft. even if he genuinely had a health issue, he should keep his mouth shut re someone else that actually served.
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whatabout Hitler
Hitler loved money. Who else would take the gold fillings from concentration camp victims?
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Donald Trump could have been Ho Chi Mihn's right hand man in Vietnam and still I wouldn't care.
Vietnam was a shitty pointless war and draft dodgers like Muhammad Ali are big hero's to the left. Trump should be cheered for this..............if it's even true.
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Donald Trump could have been Ho Chi Mihn's right hand man in Vietnam and still I wouldn't care.
Vietnam was a shitty pointless war and draft dodgers like Muhammad Ali are big hero's to the left. Trump should be cheered for this..............if it's even true.
ali's avoidance was probably a bit more honourable than trump's. he didn't go and get himself a sick note. he made a public stand and was prepared to go to prison for it.
tbf some of the things ali is recorded as saying at the time and about vietnam, show he had a great deal of wisdom and was well ahead of his time.
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Donald Trump could have been Ho Chi Mihn's right hand man in Vietnam and still I wouldn't care.
Vietnam was a shitty pointless war and draft dodgers like Muhammad Ali are big hero's to the left. Trump should be cheered for this..............if it's even true.
A war like Vietnam? I’d have dodged the draft, too.
That shit’s none of my business, you know?
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ali's avoidance was probably a bit more honourable than trump's.
Well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man.
I knew a Vietnam Vet very well (RIP), and he was none too happy with Muhammad Ali.
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Well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man.
I knew a Vietnam Vet very well (RIP), and he was none too happy with Muhammad Ali.
well the majority of what's posted here is "opinion". that's kind of how a message board works.
and how do you think your vet friend would feel about trump's avoidance?
one guy point blank refuses to go and risks prison for his beliefs. the other guy gets a sick note...then to top it off he slags off another guy that actually did serve and has medals for his valour.
whatever way you chop it up, trump shows himself to be a POS at nearly every turn.
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ali's avoidance was probably a bit more honourable than trump's. he didn't go and get himself a sick note. he made a public stand and was prepared to go to prison for it.
tbf some of the things ali is recorded as saying at the time and about vietnam, show he had a great deal of wisdom and was well ahead of his time.
None of it is more honorable than the other. Honor is made up, both dodged it and should receive the same criticisms or praise
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well the majority of what's posted here is "opinion". that's kind of how a message board works.
No shit Sherlock.
and how do you think your vet friend would feel about trump's avoidance?
He was from New Jersey and he loved Trump
one guy point blank refuses to go and risks prison for his beliefs. the other guy gets a sick note...then to top it off he slags off another guy that actually did serve and has medals for his valour.
If Ali had the connections he would have done the same. He was a poor ignorant black so he had no other choice. A lot of people forget that he was a black separatist for a while.
Fuck John McCain. Enjoy watching the muzzies ransack your country.
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Irrelevant news
Works both ways IMO. If you get what is said, it is all good.
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Donald Trump could have been Ho Chi Mihn's right hand man in Vietnam and still I wouldn't care.
Vietnam was a shitty pointless war and draft dodgers like Muhammad Ali are big hero's to the left. Trump should be cheered for this..............if it's even true.
It is.
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Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?
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Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?
Hahaha.
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Wasn’t Blumenthal, a lib that was claiming he was in Vietnam when actually it was proven that he lied about his service. I believe they call that Stolen Valor. How come no mention of that, hypocrites?
Is he the President?
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Trumpster is Boss.
Deal with it.
He’s not perfect, but his heart is in the right place, and he loves his country and the west.
MAGA!
Are you fucking serious? He loves money and himself. That is it. Oh, and he does what is best for Putin. Loves the USA? What a fucking joke. Wake the fuck up and see what is going on.
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Remember a yesterday CNN and the rest of the MSM were on him for not visiting the troops in Iraq at Christmas time.....while he was there? Lmao
Oh, did you like how the dumbfuck posted the video of the Navy Seals without blurring out their faces? That's how fucking stupid he is. No other president has revealed the identity of a Seal team like that, except for this fucking idiot. It only took him what, 2 years to get his fat ass over there to see the troops?
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He was from New Jersey and he loved Trump
...but he hated the nhiggas
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Wasn’t Blumenthal, a lib that was claiming he was in Vietnam when actually it was proven that he lied about his service. I believe they call that Stolen Valor. How come no mention of that, hypocrites?
What the hell are you talking about?
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Hahaha.
It's about to be 2019. I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now. I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.
Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020. Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.
Better luck next time.
To be honest, you speak for yourself when you say you don't mind someone who dodged the draft. That's ok, just own it
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i suppose it's an issue because of the way trump tried to disparage mccain's service in vietnam....didn't he say something along the lines of "i prefer my war heroes not captured"
a bit rich coming from someone who dodged the draft. even if he genuinely had a health issue, he should keep his mouth shut re someone else that actually served.
this
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Wasn’t Blumenthal, a lib that was claiming he was in Vietnam when actually it was proven that he lied about his service. I believe they call that Stolen Valor. How come no mention of that, hypocrites?
Reading comprehension wasn't your forte was it
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Trumpster is Boss.
Deal with it.
He’s not perfect, but his heart is in the right place, and he loves his country and the west.
MAGA!
No, his heart is in the wrong place. Look up narcissist
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Donald Trump could have been Ho Chi Mihn's right hand man in Vietnam and still I wouldn't care.
Vietnam was a shitty pointless war and draft dodgers like Muhammad Ali are big hero's to the left. Trump should be cheered for this..............if it's even true.
This says all I need to know about you
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What the hell are you talking about?
Didn’t think you heard about it. Carry on
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A war like Vietnam? I’d have dodged the draft, too.
That shit’s none of my business, you know?
You really didnt have to say that. From your post we assumed
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well the majority of what's posted here is "opinion". that's kind of how a message board works.
and how do you think your vet friend would feel about trump's avoidance?
one guy point blank refuses to go and risks prison for his beliefs. the other guy gets a sick note...then to top it off he slags off another guy that actually did serve and has medals for his valour.
whatever way you chop it up, trump shows himself to be a POS at nearly every turn.
true
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Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?
Post a quote of Obama bagging on POW's
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Didn’t think you heard about it. Carry on
Stick to conditioning..
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Post a quote of Obama bagging on POW's
You mean giving them a stand down order to not fire back even if fired upon wasn’t enough?
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Stick to conditioning..
Stick to facts
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Stick to facts
facts are alien to you
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Stick to facts
Did Trump Dogde the draft? Since you are a fact guy?
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Did Trump Dogde the draft? Since you are a fact guy?
Did Blumenthal lie about Vietnam? How about John Kerry? Did Obama give a standdown order to the military that put them in harms way? We know these to be FACTS and we don’t even need to go back 50 years to prove it.
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ali's avoidance was probably a bit more honourable than trump's. he didn't go and get himself a sick note. he made a public stand and was prepared to go to prison for it.
tbf some of the things ali is recorded as saying at the time and about vietnam, show he had a great deal of wisdom and was well ahead of his time.
No question what Ali did was more honorable but the point is both he and Trump avoided going to the war and in hindsight they made the correct decision.
Ali was a black Muslim in 64 Trump was a rich white kid. Ali used his drafting to make a statement, Trump used his resources to stay home.
Both made the correct decision by avoiding the war.
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Post a quote of Obama bagging on POW's
Post a link of Trump giving Iran hundreds of millions of US tax dollars.
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Post a link of Trump giving Iran hundreds of millions of US tax dollars.
Oh be quiet until you figure out the conversation
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Oh be quite until you figure out the conversation
*skate
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/12/27/trump-vietnam-war-bone-spur-diagnosis/2420475002/
WASHINGTON – Two daughters of a New York podiatrist say that 50 years ago their father diagnosed President Donald Trump with bone spurs in his heels as a favor to the doctor's landlord, Fred Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.
Trump received five deferments from the draft for military service during the Vietnam War. He received four education deferments while he was a college student and a fifth deferment in 1968 for a medical exemption after he graduated.
Larry Braunstein, who died in 2007, rented a ground floor office in a building owned by Trump in Jamaica, Queens. His daughters, Elysa Braunstein, 56, and Sharon Kessel, 53, told the Times that their father's role in Trump's diagnosis had become "family lore."
"It was something we would always discuss," Elysa Braunstein told the Times. She and her sister are both Democrats who oppose Trump, according to the newspaper.
Elysa Braunstein said their father made the diagnosis to gain access to the landlord and that she didn't know if her father even examined the junior Trump.
"I know it was a favor," Elysa Braunstein said.
"What he got was access to Fred Trump," she told the Times. "If there was anything wrong in the building, my dad would call and Trump would take care of it immediately. That was the small favor that he got."
The women did not offer any documentation to back up their claims. They said their father's story also involved a second podiatrist, Manny Weinstein, who died in 1995. Weinstein's landlord was also Fred Trump.
The White House did not make Trump available for a follow-up interview to the New York Times and did not respond to written questions about his service record.
In October, the Times reported on how much Fred Trump helped his son through the years, giving him what today would be more than $410 million.
Worse case scenario is that Donald Trump used his connections to avoid going to war.
When you are rich or connected, or both, you will always get breaks that others don't. Hawaii is very clique-ish. The overwhelming majority get the government jobs because they know someone or are related to someone already in.
I wish life was fair. It's not. That sucks.
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*skate
that hurt your head
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Worse case scenario is that Donald Trump used his connections to avoid going to war.
When you are rich or connected, or both, you will always get breaks that others don't. Hawaii is very clique-ish. The overwhelming majority get the government jobs because they know someone or are related to someone already in.
I wish life was fair. It's not. That sucks.
And when you become President, those privileges might come back to haunt you... which is kind of fair
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Oh be quiet until you figure out the conversation
What does "bagging on a POW" have to do with Trump and the draft? Guess it's ok when you want to change topics huh, hypocrite.
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And when you become President, those privileges might come back to haunt you... which is kind of fair
Not really. Name one president whose privileged life has hurt them. Just to be the president means that you are connected. Even Clinton, who was probably the only modern President to come from humble beginnings, was a Rhodes Scholar and went to Yale.
CNN and MSNBC can lead with this story for a week and it will have zero effect.
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What does "bagging on a POW" have to do with Trump and the draft? Guess it's ok when you want to change topics huh, hypocrite.
really?
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Agnostic, there’s a feature when posting that says “insert quote” where you can scroll down and do a bunch in one post instead of just arbitrarily running up your post count. ;D
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What does "bagging on a POW" have to do with Trump and the draft? Guess it's ok when you want to change topics huh, hypocrite.
It may be bad form to say he prefers his soldiers not to get captured. But so do I. So does the soldier.
People don't seem to understand that those that support Trump do so because of his stand on issues: taxes, immigration, military not because he's politically incorrect.
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Agnostic, there’s a feature when posting that says “insert quote” where you can scroll down and do a bunch in one post instead of just arbitrarily running up your post count. ;D
thanks.. although post count aint my thing and I figure the person i'm talking to can figure it out ;)
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It may be bad form to say he prefers his soldiers not to get captured. But so do I. So does the soldier.
People don't seem to understand that those that support Trump do so because of his stand on issues: taxes, immigration, military not because he's politically incorrect.
Yeah.. it really is stupid to bag on POW's.. no way to make that sound anything but stupid
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Yeah.. it really is stupid to bag on POW's.. no way to make that sound anything but stupid
Trump says a lot of stupid things. Trump has done a lot of great things.
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Trump says a lot of stupid things. Trump has done a lot of great things.
I agree with the 1st part. waiting on evidence of the second part
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I agree with the 1st part. waiting on evidence of the second part
Oh boy.
Can someone post the long list again? I'm still recovering from the holidays.
My cousin, who works at First Hawaiian Bank, did get a raise from $12/hr to $15/hr right after the capital gains tax cut.
So that's one.
BTW, what does ISIS stand for again? I've already forgotten all about that "J.V. Team" that dominated the news under Obama.
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...but he hated the nhiggas
He didn't enjoy the company of people that he called moulinyan....but he didn't hate them. They stayed in their neighborhoods and he stayed in his.
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To be honest, you speak for yourself when you say you don't mind someone who dodged the draft. That's ok, just own it
This fake scandal is just like when Dems tried to make a big deal out of Trump paying off whores.
Everyone already knows that billionaires bang a lot of whores. Everyone already knows that wealthy connected people got out of serving in Vietnam. This isn't news and it's not relevant to what's happening in 2018.
MAGA
This says all I need to know about you
I don't give a fuck what you think of me. Not in the least.
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This fake scandal is just like when Dems tried to make a big deal out of Trump paying off whores.
Everyone already knows that billionaires bang a lot of whores. Everyone already knows that wealthy connected people got out of serving in Vietnam. This isn't news and it's not relevant to what's happening in 2018.
MAGA
I don't give a fuck what you think of me. Not in the least.
Agnostic007 sure ain't no Matt Canning.
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No question what Ali did was more honorable but the point is both he and Trump avoided going to the war and in hindsight they made the correct decision.
Ali was a black Muslim in 64 Trump was a rich white kid. Ali used his drafting to make a statement, Trump used his resources to stay home.
Both made the correct decision by avoiding the war.
big difference being, ali didn't then go around besmirching the service record of others that did decide to go.
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big difference being, ali didn't then go around besmirching the service record of others that did decide to go.
Liberals revere war heroes. To them, serving in Vietnam is the most honorable thing you can do and it shows great character.
That's why they all voted for John McCain instead of Barrack Obama in 2008.
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Liberals revere war heroes. To them, serving in Vietnam is the most honorable thing you can do and it shows great character.
That's why they all voted for John McCain instead of Barrack Obama in 2008.
again, there's a big difference between not voting for a war hero and trying to belittle their service.
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big difference being, ali didn't then go around besmirching the service record of others that did decide to go.
The big difference is Ali is dead and spent the last 20 years of his life a comatose vegetable confined to a wheel chair because he made the career choice to use his head as a punching bag.
Let's not forgot about Joe Frazier either. Ali called Joe an uncle tom and lobbied blacks to see Joe as a race traitor. He did all this after Joe made sure Ali was taken care financially during the time Ali was prevented from boxing. Calling an innocent man a race traitor isnt exactly humanitarian behavior.
Hate Trump and call him out for his poor behavior but let's stick to the facts.
Ali made a public stand and refused to participate in a corrupt war, he paid a heavy price for his stance, and while he was vilified at the time history proved his actions to be correct.
Trump also did not participate in the same said war, ALLEGEDLY using doctors notes to avoid service. He also made the right choice.
Ali disgraced Joe Fraziers character to sell tickets. Trump insulted John McCain to garner votes. Both men, like all people, have self serving tendencies.
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The big difference is Ali is dead and spent the last 20 years of his life a comatose vegetable confined to a wheel chair because he made the career choice to use his head as a punching bag.
Let's not forgot about Joe Frazier either. Ali called Joe an uncle tom and lobbied blacks to see Joe as a race traitor. He did all this after Joe made sure Ali was taken care financially during the time Ali was prevented from boxing. Calling an innocent man a race traitor isnt exactly humanitarian behavior.
Hate Trump and call him out for his poor behavior but let's stick to the facts.
Ali made a public stand and refused to participate in a corrupt war, he paid a heavy price for his stance, and while he was vilified at the time history proved his actions to be correct.
Trump also did not participate in the same said war, ALLEGEDLY using doctors notes to avoid service. He also made the right choice.
Ali disgraced Joe Fraziers character to sell tickets. Trump insulted John McCain to garner votes. Both men, like all people, have self serving tendencies.
i don't think ali was an angel by any stretch of the imagination but even given the circumstances you describe. i still think there's a big difference in levels between an athlete calling a fellow athlete an uncle tom in the promotion of a fight and someone serving in the highest office in the land mocking the military service of another politician who spent 5 years being tortured in POW camp. especially when he himself was excused (genuinely or otherwise) from a military draft on medical grounds.
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I agree with the 1st part. waiting on evidence of the second part
Maybe if you pulled your head out the MSM's ass you'd know. You and the rest of the left minions just regurgitate whatever they put in your empty heads.
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Aren't there some that call into question McCain's military legacy?
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/is-john-mccain-a-war-hero-6421192
Either way, I think Trump's comments aimed at McCain were foolish/myopic and were bound to later be used against him. Considering how flawed McCain was a politician and the amount of reasons to critique him in this field, there wasn't any need to attack him over his prior career in the military.
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Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?
Have these questions been addressed yet?
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i don't think ali was an angel by any stretch of the imagination but even given the circumstances you describe. i still think there's a big difference in levels between an athlete calling a fellow athlete an uncle tom in the promotion of a fight and someone serving in the highest office in the land mocking the military service of another politician who spent 5 years being tortured in POW camp. especially when he himself was excused (genuinely or otherwise) from a military draft on medical grounds.
Fair enough.
You'd be correct if all things were relative, but you're not accounting for the time period though and where America was culturally in the 70s.
But if you want Trumps actions to be worse, I understand your points.
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I don't think anyone can blame Trump for his actions.
The United States Air Force should have been carpet bombing North Vietnam into oblivion anyway until there was nothing left.
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Fair enough.
You'd be correct if all things were relative, but you're not accounting for the time period though and where America was culturally in the 70s.
But if you want Trumps actions to be worse, I understand your points.
tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.
it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama
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Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?
Good point. Except this is not about whether these Presidents served, it is about lying to avoid the draft. The draft ended in 1973 when Obama was 12 years old. Clinton was never called because he drew a high number in the 1969 draft lottery.
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tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.
it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama
Not sure what difference it makes to you. You need to clean up your own back yard.
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Not sure what difference it makes to you. You need to clean up your own back yard.
makes zero difference to me just shooting the sht. since the arrival of trump US politics has been taking up more space in the UK news and media than it used to. maybe because it's become like a real life soap opera.
one thing for certain trump would never get away with his behaviour in UK politics. for instance any recording coming to light like the "grab em by the pussy" trump classic, would be the end of any serious politician in the UK
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Wasn’t Blumenthal, a lib that was claiming he was in Vietnam when actually it was proven that he lied about his service. I believe they call that Stolen Valor. How come no mention of that, hypocrites?
Make you own thread about Blumenthal. Until then, try to stay on topic, fuckwit.
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Hahaha.
It's about to be 2019. I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now. I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.
Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020. Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.
Better luck next time.
This from a guy who calls himself Pray 4 War. The Irony.
Maybe change your name to Pray 4 Dicks
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Trump says a lot of stupid things. Trump has done a lot of great things.
he's an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
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makes zero difference to me just shooting the sht. since the arrival of trump US politics has been taking up more space in the UK news and media than it used to. maybe because it's become like a real life soap opera.
one thing for certain trump would never get away with his behaviour in UK politics. for instance any recording coming to light like the "grab em by the pussy" trump classic, would be the end of any serious politician in the UK
UK politics? The people vote to withdraw from the EU and the politicians work to overturn the will of the people......and with this "deal" it seems as though they have.
Tell me again about your great UK politicians, lol.
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Everybody while in college got out of serving during Vietnam.
That's why it was called a poor man's war.
No doubt Trump's dad arranged his 4-F exemption.
Many rich, politically connected kids joined the service but got non-combat assignments arranged out of harms way.
This was done in WW2 also. Do you think Roosevelt's son was doing combat duty?
Lincoln's son was also not given combat duty in the Civil War.
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UK politics? The people vote to withdraw from the EU and the politicians work to overturn the will of the people......and with this "deal" it seems as though they have.
Tell me again about your great UK politicians, lol.
tbh imo the majority of UK politicians are a bunch of self serving fukwits but at least there is some sort of minimum standard of behaviour expected. the PM can't go around confessing to grabbing women by the pussy and paying off prostitutes...
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This from a guy who calls himself Pray 4 War. The Irony.
Maybe change your name to Pray 4 Dicks
Interesting that you chose to respond when I mentioned douchebag liberals. It's like the old saying goes......Speak of the douchebag and he is bound to appear.
You are an unfunny gimmick, your stolen name sucks, and you should feel bad.
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tbh imo the majority of UK politicians are a bunch of self serving fukwits but at least there is some sort of minimum standard of behaviour expected. the PM can't go around confessing to grabbing women by the pussy and paying off prostitutes...
Yes, a crude off the record comment is much worse than politicians who literally reverse the results of an election. Retard.
Trump is a little rough but so was Teddy Roosevelt. I'd argue that his personality is exactly what we need right now. Trump was called for such a time as this.
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Yes, a crude off the record comment is much worse than politicians who literally reverse the results of an election. Retard.
Trump is a little rough but so was Teddy Roosevelt. I'd argue that his personality is exactly what we need right now. Trump was called for such a time as this.
now you're just showing how misinformed you are. moron.
think of brexit like a gun control referendum in the states. it's an issue that literally divides the nation. due to the nature of the EU it was impossible to know what brexit would like at the time of the referendum.
so following the referendum politicians were still left arguing what was truly the will of the people. if they knew there would be no trade deal would they still have voted to leave etc....
you think if the US public voted for a blanket ban on gun ownership in a referendum that that would just be the end of it and those on the losing side would just accept it?
i actually think may's deal does deliver on the will of the people. it should bring about the end of freedom of movement )which was probably the biggest issue for leave voters) and it will also allow the UK to keep trading tariff free with the EU nations (the biggest concern for remain voters).
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Everybody while in college got out of serving during Vietnam.
That's why it was called a poor man's war.
No doubt Trump's dad arranged his 4-F exemption.
Many rich, politically connected kids joined the service but got non-combat assignments arranged out of harms way.
This was done in WW2 also. Do you think Roosevelt's son was doing combat duty?
Lincoln's son was also not given combat duty in the Civil War.
Correct. It's always been the same.
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now you're just showing how misinformed you are. moron.
think of brexit like a gun control referendum in the states. it's an issue that literally divides the nation. due to the nature of the EU it was impossible to know what brexit would like at the time of the referendum.
so following the referendum politicians were still left arguing what was truly the will of the people. if they knew there would be no trade deal would they still have voted to leave etc....
you think if the US public voted for a blanket ban on gun ownership in a referendum that that would just be the end of it and those on the losing side would just accept it?
i actually think may's deal does deliver on the will of the people. it should bring about the end of freedom of movement )which was probably the biggest issue for leave voters) and it will also allow the UK to keep trading tariff free with the EU nations (the biggest concern for remain voters).
Good dog.
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Good dog.
Please do not insult dogs.
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Good dog.
well you asked about UK politics. obviously that crashed your little pea brain ;)
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Everybody while in college got out of serving during Vietnam.
That's why it was called a poor man's war.
No doubt Trump's dad arranged his 4-F exemption.
Many rich, politically connected kids joined the service but got non-combat assignments arranged out of harms way.
This was done in WW2 also. Do you think Roosevelt's son was doing combat duty?
Lincoln's son was also not given combat duty in the Civil War.
Sometimes enlistees are assigned non-combat duties (jobs) because they better serve the military other areas where their intelligence is their main asset. My son was able to choose his MOS which was logistics.
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Sometimes enlistees are assigned non-combat duties (jobs) because they better serve the military other areas where their intelligence is their main asset. My son was able to choose his MOS which was logistics.
Certainly this is true but it is not what is being discussed.
Using political or money influence to get your son a non-combat role or to get out of serving completely is what I was referring to.
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really?
Absolutely
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ali's avoidance was probably a bit more honourable than trump's. he didn't go and get himself a sick note. he made a public stand and was prepared to go to prison for it.
tbf some of the things ali is recorded as saying at the time and about vietnam, show he had a great deal of wisdom and was well ahead of his time.
Didn't Cassius Clay find Islam and change his slave name to avoid going to Vietnam?
In 1966, two years after winning the heavyweight title, Ali further antagonized the white establishment by refusing to be drafted into the U.S. military, citing his religious beliefs, and opposition to American involvement in the Vietnam War.[6][8] He was eventually arrested, found guilty of draft evasion charges, and stripped of his boxing titles.
Real honorable ::)
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Didn't Cassius Clay find Islam and change his slave name to avoid going to Vietnam?
Real honorable ::)
Why would anyone pro trump care about honor?
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tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.
it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama
I understand what you're saying and, again, your point is valid.
BUT Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and all other presidents prior were politicians before becoming president (and all had moments that were less than presidential).
Trump was a media celebrity.
He was elected for not having couth and being politically incompetent. If America wanted a politician Hillary would be in office.
Trump is who he is.
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tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.
it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama
Obama killed children including an American child. Trump just puts " kids in cages "
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tbh imo the majority of UK politicians are a bunch of self serving fukwits but at least there is some sort of minimum standard of behaviour expected. the PM can't go around confessing to grabbing women by the pussy and paying off prostitutes...
you didn't finish high school , you have a criminal record , you have been to prison for your crimes , you are the lowest of the low
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Didn't Cassius Clay find Islam and change his slave name to avoid going to Vietnam?
Real honorable ::)
From what I gather ali converted to Islam before the US entered the war in Vietnam.
He said(roughly) his enemy was the white establishment so why would he go and fight against other brown people thousands of miles away that he had no quarrel with on behalf of his real enemy...
Sounds like a pretty honourable position to me.
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he's an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
couldn't they make his chin abit more complimenting I mean he will be on that coin for eternity basically
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I understand what you're saying and, again, your point is valid.
BUT Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and all other presidents prior were politicians before becoming president (and all had moments that were less than presidential).
Trump was a media celebrity.
He was elected for not having couth and being politically incompetent. If America wanted a politician Hillary would be in office.
Trump is who he is.
I get that part of the attraction was that trump was not a politician. But. He's probably at least as dishonest and untrustworthy as the majority of politicians yet he has no skills of diplomacy. So it's a lose - lose
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I get that part of the attraction was that trump was not a politician. But. He's probably at least as dishonest and untrustworthy as the majority of politicians yet he has no skills of diplomacy. So it's a lose - lose
you have no right to lecture on what is honorable , dishonorable or ' trustworthy' , you're a convicted criminal who has been to prison , you're the lowest of the low
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one thing for certain trump would never get away with his behaviour in UK politics. for instance any recording coming to light like the "grab em by the pussy" trump classic, would be the end of any serious politician in the UK
Fuck sake man, our prime minister David Cameron got away with putting his wang in the mouth of a pig. And I don't mean Theresa May. :D
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Why would anyone pro trump care about honor?
;D hey he got a trophy for bowling.
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Fuck sake man, our prime minister David Cameron got away with putting his wang in the mouth of a pig. And I don't mean Theresa May. :D
I'd lay evens the pig would rather of been grabbed by the pussy!
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I'd lay evens the pig would rather of been grabbed by the pussy!
:)
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Let's get them witches including Trump Jr. and milktoast Kushner.
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I'd lay evens the pig would rather of been grabbed by the pussy!
you'd like that
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From what I gather ali converted to Islam before the US entered the war in Vietnam.
He said(roughly) his enemy was the white establishment so why would he go and fight against other brown people thousands of miles away that he had no quarrel with on behalf of his real enemy...
Sounds like a pretty honourable position to me.
The US has been in vietnam since the 50's, with troops there since the early 60's, well before Cassius turned his back on his country and started playing the race card. Slave name... ::)
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Fuck sake man, our prime minister David Cameron got away with putting his wang in the mouth of a pig. And I don't mean Theresa May. :D
Do what!? Please explain, as I’d rather not have that on my “search history” ;D
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The US has been in vietnam since the 50's, with troops there since the early 60's, well before Cassius turned his back on his country and started playing the race card. Slave name... ::)
"Aug. 2-4, 1964: Two supposed incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin lead Johnson to seek congressional approval for direct U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
March 8, 1965: First Marines land in Danang."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/653693001
First combat troops landed in 1965. Ali changed religion before that. Pretty certain there would slim to nil chance of ali being drafted to serve in Vietnam prior US military engagement.
So it's just fantasy that ali changed religion to avoid going to Vietnam
You think Africans turned up in the states with names like cassius? ::)
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"Aug. 2-4, 1964: Two supposed incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin lead Johnson to seek congressional approval for direct U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
March 8, 1965: First Marines land in Danang."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/653693001
First combat troops landed in 1965. Ali changed religion before that. Pretty certain there would slim to nil chance of ali being drafted to serve in Vietnam prior US military engagement.
So it's just fantasy that ali changed religion to avoid going to Vietnam
You think Africans turned up in the states with names like cassius? ::)
We were already there, with troops well before 64, that was simply the "official" start.
You think Cassius was brought to the US as a slave?
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We were already there, with troops well before 64, that was simply the "official" start.
You think Cassius was brought to the US as a slave?
even if ali had been drafted, as HW world champ and the greatest US sportsman of that era (probably ever) he would not have placed anywhere near even remote danger.
it was a political statement and a stand of principle and honour. as one the top 3 greatest "americans" of all time , i would have thought you'd hold him in higher regard.
no clay was not a slave. try reading a few books if you don't understand what he meant by his "slave name"
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even if ali had been drafted, as HW world champ and the greatest US sportsman of that era (probably ever) he would not have placed anywhere near even remote danger.
Many "stars" served in the military, most kept away from any real danger. Cassius could have done the same.
it was a political statement and a stand of principle and honour. as one the top 3 greatest "americans" of all time , i would have thought you'd hold him in higher regard.
If I thought his intentions were to really take a stand against some kind of racist wrongdoing, then maybe I'd have some sort of sympathy for him. However, as he himself stated, he didn't want to fight "other brown people in a white mans war", so his intentions weren't right, his intention was to avoid the draft, avoid going to war, avoid serving his country. He was a racist coward that hid behind his supposed religion.
no clay was not a slave. try reading a few books if you don't understand what he meant by his "slave name"
Are you retarded? You said "You think Africans turned up in the states with names like cassius?" Who gave him the name Cassius? Was it his slave owners?
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Many "stars" served in the military, most kept away from any real danger. Cassius could have done the same.
If I thought his intentions were to really take a stand against some kind of racist wrongdoing, then maybe I'd have some sort of sympathy for him. However, as he himself stated, he didn't want to fight "other brown people in a white mans war", so his intentions weren't right, his intention was to avoid the draft, avoid going to war, avoid serving his country. He was a racist coward that hid behind his supposed religion.
Are you retarded? You said "You think Africans turned up in the states with names like cassius?" Who gave him the name Cassius? Was it his slave owners?
exactly. so why was he a "coward" if as you say "stars" were always kept away from any danger? he could have been drafted not been stripped of his world title etc...safe in the knowledge that he was going nowhere near any danger anyway...
it was a political statement... he knew he was never going to be drafted into "war".
what you're saying is not making any logical sense.
and again, try reading some books if you don't think there was any "racist wrongdoing" to make a stand against during that era. immeasurably more so then than there is now.
smith, jones, clay...these are not african names. blacks in the US have these names due to slavery...if you're not trolling and you actually couldn't work out what ali meant by "slave names", far from me being retarded, my brain is clearly working at a somewhat higher level than yours.
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my brain is clearly working at a somewhat higher level than yours.
Says the " elf " who got ripped off from " god " for fake drugs ;D You're a fucking idiot
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Says the " elf " who got ripped off from " god " for fake drugs ;D You're a fucking idiot
comments from the peanut gallery are not required. thank you.
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exactly. so why was he a "coward" if as you say "stars" were always kept away from any danger? he could have been drafted not been stripped of his world title etc...safe in the knowledge that he was going nowhere near any danger anyway...
it was a political statement... he knew he was never going to be drafted into "war".
what you're saying is not making any logical sense.
and again, try reading some books if you don't think there was any "racist wrongdoing" to make a stand against during that era. immeasurably more so then than there is now.
smith, jones, clay...these are not african names. blacks in the US have these names due to slavery...if you're not trolling and you actually couldn't work out what ali meant by "slave names", far from me being retarded, my brain is clearly working at a somewhat higher level than yours.
His was an act of cowardice hidden behind racism. If you don't understand that, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
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Interesting that you chose to respond when I mentioned douchebag liberals. It's like the old saying goes......Speak of the douchebag and he is bound to appear.
You are an unfunny gimmick, your stolen name sucks, and you should feel bad.
Donald Trump could have been Ho Chi Mihn's right hand man in Vietnam and still I wouldn't care.
Vietnam was a shitty pointless war and draft dodgers like Muhammad Ali are big hero's to the left. Trump should be cheered for this..............if it's even true.
Fuzzy memory minion? Actually, I appeared when you celebrated a draft dodging coward.
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His was an act of cowardice hidden behind racism. If you don't understand that, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
His IQ was 78, great boxer and athlete but not intelligent.
He seems to have missed the point, the war was against communists and the spread of communism.
South Vietnam was a prosperous nation, North Vietnam a communist dictatorship.
The pulling out of US and Western troops left them to fall to the invading communists. 'Re-education camps' followed, murder and property seizures.
The fall of South Vietnam to the communist terrorists was a disaster, they have still haven't fully recovered.
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His was an act of cowardice hidden behind racism. If you don't understand that, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
you keep saying he was coward but what was he scared of? you admit that even if drafted people of ali's stature would have never been placed in harm's way...so what are you saying he was scared of?
you do understand the what the word coward means right?
lets see what the greatest and probably the most courageous american to ever live has to say on the issue
so the greatest ever american applauds ali's courage for his stand on the vietnam war....but "chaos" off getbig says he was a coward.....
hmmm....who to believe...this is really tough!!
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you keep saying he was coward but what was he scared of? you admit that even if drafted people of ali's stature would have never been placed in harm's way...so what are you saying he was scared of?
you do understand the what the word coward means right?
lets see what the greatest and probably the most courageous american to ever live has to say on the issue
so the greatest ever american applauds ali's courage for his stand on the vietnam war....but "chaos" off getbig says he was a coward.....
hmmm....who to believe...this is really tough!!
::)
maybe for an ' afro - caribean ' slave descendent with a criminal record
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well in a poll of millions of americans MLK was voted as the 3rd greatest american of all time. 77% of the US population is white. so once you make the necessary adjustments for natural racial bias , it's pretty clear that MLK is the greatest american to ever have lived and by quite some distance too.
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I think he should pull the troops in Afghanistan aswell
There is no Point in trying to "defeat" isis or al quida. I like Trump but he is naive thinking ISIS is "defeated". What people doesnt seem to grasp is that there is a constant recruitment. If you kill one, three more pops up anyways. Teenage boys gets recruited constantly or join by free will. Also countries in Europe is now a safespace for them where they keep silent recruitment and operation.
Safest bet is to throw out all arabs from the western countries. But that will never happen with current EU leadership.
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This:
= Complete waste of Money, lives, recourses
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well in a poll of millions of americans MLK was voted as the 3rd greatest american of all time. 77% of the US population is white. so once you make the necessary adjustments for natural racial bias , it's pretty clear that MLK is the greatest american to ever have lived and by quite some distance too.
' polls ' mean nothing , they got it completely wrong with brexit and trump or have you already forgotten
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well in a poll of millions of americans MLK was voted as the 3rd greatest american of all time. 77% of the US population is white. so once you make the necessary adjustments for natural racial bias , it's pretty clear that MLK is the greatest american to ever have lived and by quite some distance too.
This is why you cant be taken seriously. ::)
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This is why you cant be taken seriously. ::)
slightly less?
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well in a poll of millions of americans MLK was voted as the 3rd greatest american of all time. 77% of the US population is white. so once you make the necessary adjustments for natural racial bias , it's pretty clear that MLK is the greatest american to ever have lived and by quite some distance too.
Once again the arrogant, filthy, inbred Paki lies. There are no polls showing MLK as the 3rd greatest American, at least according to a google search. The top two mostly alternate between Lincoln and Washington while the third varies between polls (Jefferson, Reagan, Roosevelt...). There is one poll that has MLK as high as fourth but that's it.
Cocker is a prime example of what you get when your dad "mates" with his sister, both who are already products of inbreeding. A ghoulish looking mental retard.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=648337.0;attach=765631;image)
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This is why you cant be taken seriously. ::)
from government website
"White alone, percent 76.6%"
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110217
good to see the broke, kiddy fiddler, OAP pedolust is still melting hard into 2019 . lol
The Greatest American was a four-part American television series hosted by Matt Lauer in 2005. The show featured biographies and lists of influential persons in U.S. history, and culminated in a contest in which millions in the audience nominated and voted for the person they felt was the "greatest American". The competition was conducted by AOL and the Discovery Channel and reported on by the BBC.
1.Ronald Reagan, (1911–2004) actor and 40th President
2.Abraham Lincoln, (1809–1865) 16th President
3.Martin Luther King, Jr., (1929–1968) minister and civil rights leader
4.George Washington, (1732–1799) 1st President
5.Benjamin Franklin, (1705–1790) author, printer, scientist and politician
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American
anyway, what does your skinny asian/aboriginal @ss have against MLK. what he did helped all minorities, including you, pedolust
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from government website
"White alone, percent 76.6%"
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110217
good to see the broke, kiddy fiddler, OAP pedolust is still melting hard into 2019 . lol
The Greatest American was a four-part American television series hosted by Matt Lauer in 2005. The show featured biographies and lists of influential persons in U.S. history, and culminated in a contest in which millions in the audience nominated and voted for the person they felt was the "greatest American". The competition was conducted by AOL and the Discovery Channel and reported on by the BBC.
1.Ronald Reagan, (1911–2004) actor and 40th President
2.Abraham Lincoln, (1809–1865) 16th President
3.Martin Luther King, Jr., (1929–1968) minister and civil rights leader
4.George Washington, (1732–1799) 1st President
5.Benjamin Franklin, (1705–1790) author, printer, scientist and politician
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American
anyway, what does your skinny asian/aboriginal @ss have against MLK. what he did helped all minorities, including you, pedolust
That's your source? A TV show hosted by Matt Lauer and conducted by AOL and Discovery channel?
I just can't decides what's worse. You being so ugly or so stupid.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=648337.0;attach=765631;image)
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That's your source? A TV show hosted by Matt Lauer and conducted by AOL and Discovery channel?
I just can't decides what's worse. You being so ugly or so stupid.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=648337.0;attach=765631;image)
it was a poll of millions of americans. which is what i said.
ok you can fk off now pedolust. you have nothing worthwhile left to contribute.
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well in a poll of millions of americans MLK was voted as the 3rd greatest american of all time. 77% of the US population is white. so once you make the necessary adjustments for natural racial bias , it's pretty clear that MLK is the greatest american to ever have lived and by quite some distance too.
3rd greatest American as per your post.
In Portland, Union Avenue’s rebirth as Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in 1989 did not come easily.
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Dodge twice. What a pussy.
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3rd greatest American as per your post.
In Portland, Union Avenue’s rebirth as Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in 1989 did not come easily.
Do you consider MLK the 3r greatest American ever? With Lincoln and Washington being 1 and 2, you would rank MLK greater than, say, Roosevelt, Jefferson (on Mt. Rushmore), Ben Franklin, Grant, Patton, James Madison, Thomas Paine, Henry Ford, Eisenhower...? And do you agree with Cocker that if you factor in racism because we are such a racist country, that MLK is actually the greatest American that ever lived?
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from government website
"White alone, percent 76.6%"
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110217
good to see the broke, kiddy fiddler, OAP pedolust is still melting hard into 2019 . lol
The Greatest American was a four-part American television series hosted by Matt Lauer in 2005. The show featured biographies and lists of influential persons in U.S. history, and culminated in a contest in which millions in the audience nominated and voted for the person they felt was the "greatest American". The competition was conducted by AOL and the Discovery Channel and reported on by the BBC.
1.Ronald Reagan, (1911–2004) actor and 40th President
2.Abraham Lincoln, (1809–1865) 16th President
3.Martin Luther King, Jr., (1929–1968) minister and civil rights leader
4.George Washington, (1732–1799) 1st President
5.Benjamin Franklin, (1705–1790) author, printer, scientist and politician
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American
anyway, what does your skinny asian/aboriginal @ss have against MLK. what he did helped all minorities, including you, pedolust
If you weren't such an idiot I'd explain to you that if you read through your own link you would see that your number includes people that are Hispanic that "identify" as white vs the White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, 60.7% line at the bottom. ;)
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from government website
"White alone, percent 76.6%"
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/INC110217
good to see the broke, kiddy fiddler, OAP pedolust is still melting hard into 2019 . lol
The Greatest American was a four-part American television series hosted by Matt Lauer in 2005.
The show featured biographies and lists of influential persons in U.S. history, and culminated in a contest in which millions in the audience nominated and voted for the person they felt was the "greatest American". The competition was conducted by AOL and the Discovery Channel and reported on by the BBC.
1.Ronald Reagan, (1911–2004) actor and 40th President
2.Abraham Lincoln, (1809–1865) 16th President
3.Martin Luther King, Jr., (1929–1968) minister and civil rights leader
4.George Washington, (1732–1799) 1st President
5.Benjamin Franklin, (1705–1790) author, printer, scientist and politician
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American
anyway, what does your skinny asian/aboriginal @ss have against MLK. what he did helped all minorities, including you, pedolust
Matt Lauer was sexually harassing women 14 years ago. I'm sure he doctored the results to a tv show poll where the 3rd place finisher was so beloved he was assassinated.
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Do you consider MLK the 3r greatest American ever? With Lincoln and Washington being 1 and 2, you would rank MLK greater than, say, Roosevelt, Jefferson (on Mt. Rushmore), Ben Franklin, Grant, Patton, James Madison, Thomas Paine, Henry Ford, Eisenhower...? And do you agree with Cocker that if you factor in racism because we are such a racist country, that MLK is actually the greatest American that ever lived?
Huh? You've misunderstood what I posted. I don't consider any one person the 'greatest' anything ever. There's always room for improvement and no two situations are exactly alike.
I believe Martin Luther King inspired a lot of people, which has turn out to be both good and bad depending on one's perspective. He was a motivational and sometimes divisive speaker who rose to fame at just the right time to be successful and also to make many people angry, especially James Earl Ray.
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Huh? You've misunderstood what I posted. I don't consider any one person the 'greatest' anything ever. There's always room for improvement and no two situations are exactly alike.
I believe Martin Luther King inspired a lot of people, which has turn out to be both good and bad depending on one's perspective. He was a motivational and sometimes divisive speaker who rose to fame at just the right time to be successful and also to make many people angry, especially James Earl Ray.
OK, I misunderstood. I did want to question this idea that just because there is always room for improvement there can't be a "greatest". Great doesn't mean perfect. There can be one that is better than the other given accomplishments, achievements, and influence. I think Washington was a greater president than Carter. Or Jordan was greater than Lebron James. Coleman greater than Cutler.
Of course, it's subjective but you see the point I am trying to make. The idea of greatness is a valid determination.
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If you weren't such an idiot I'd explain to you that if you read through your own link you would see that your number includes people that are Hispanic that "identify" as white vs the White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, 60.7% line at the bottom. ;)
i'm fully aware that hispanics were included in the "white" category...and that is perhaps because they are white!
i'm also fully aware that ar yan brotherhood types would not want them classified as "white" but by any scientific definition they are white.
and calling me an idiot does not enhance your argument. i have nothing against you but it's pretty clear from your posts that you're not exactly cerebrally gifted. :D
you still haven't explained why you think ali was a coward when you accept he wouldn't have been drafted into any position of danger. i won't hold my breath for an answer, "brains"... :D
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Matt Lauer was sexually harassing women 14 years ago. I'm sure he doctored the results to a tv show poll where the 3rd place finisher was so beloved he was assassinated.
lincoln was also assassinated and he finished above MLK and reagan also survived an attempt and he finished 1st, a load of kids at sandy hook were assassinated....i don't think this can be used in anyway as a measure of popularity in a country like the US.
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Huh? You've misunderstood what I posted. I don't consider any one person the 'greatest' anything ever. There's always room for improvement and no two situations are exactly alike.
I believe Martin Luther King inspired a lot of people, which has turn out to be both good and bad depending on one's perspective. He was a motivational and sometimes divisive speaker who rose to fame at just the right time to be successful and also to make many people angry, especially James Earl Ray.
i also read that a poll during MLK's life showed 75% of the population were against him at the time. but with hindsight it's clear just how great he actually was.
he definitely divided opinion in his lifetime but division was necessary. many people were quite happy with the racial hierarchy back then and didn't want it to change. a very clever and great man that used the aggression and brutality of the state against itself.
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you keep saying he was coward but what was he scared of? you admit that even if drafted people of ali's stature would have never been placed in harm's way...so what are you saying he was scared of?
you do understand the what the word coward means right?
lets see what the greatest and probably the most courageous american to ever live has to say on the issue
so the greatest ever american applauds ali's courage for his stand on the vietnam war....but "chaos" off getbig says he was a coward.....
Martin Luther King....Plagiarized his doctoral theses and writings, Was a woman beater/adulterer and smacked Women around. His good friend Ralph Abernathy said the night before Martin died he was smacking around his girlfriend in the hotel room...Great guy...
hmmm....who to believe...this is really tough!!
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OK, I misunderstood. I did want to question this idea that just because there is always room for improvement there can't be a "greatest". Great doesn't mean perfect. There can be one that is better than the other given accomplishments, achievements, and influence. I think Washington was a greater president than Carter. Or Jordan was greater than Lebron James. Coleman greater than Cutler.
Of course, it's subjective but you see the point I am trying to make. The idea of greatness is a valid determination.
Looks like we pretty much agree on this. Timing has a lot to do with what and who is considered great.
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i'm fully aware that hispanics were included in the "white" category...and that is perhaps because they are white!
i'm also fully aware that ar yan brotherhood types would not want them classified as "white" but by any scientific definition they are white.
and calling me an idiot does not enhance your argument. i have nothing against you but it's pretty clear from your posts that you're not exactly cerebrally gifted. :D
you still haven't explained why you think ali was a coward when you accept he wouldn't have been drafted into any position of danger. i won't hold my breath for an answer, "brains"... :D
Dummy, Hispanics aren't white.
And you answered your own question, retard. Ali was a racist coward because he would have been kept safely out of harms way and still refused to serve.
Anything else you need spelled out for your down syndrome having ass?
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this thread needs a more tributes to white privilege
lie to congress and become a supreme court justice
(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/09/27/TELEMMGLPICT000176046797_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq9oiu9X2ykgx6jJD6z159wWERKHJxrCuJXBNc0Ym5VRM.jpeg?imwidth=1400)
word...
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......and the liberal dumb keep getting dumber without even realizing it.
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......and the liberal dumb keep getting dumber without even realizing it.
Coming from you, it's a compliment
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lincoln was also assassinated and he finished above MLK and reagan also survived an attempt and he finished 1st, a load of kids at sandy hook were assassinated....i don't think this can be used in anyway as a measure of popularity in a country like the US.
Good point a 14 year old poll is relevant and likely accurate. Do you think Matt Laur would still be a credible host if this were voted on by the same 2 million today? Or have circumstances changed his position in life?
Also the poll said it was conducted with millions via AOL, that doesn't mean it was American citizens who voted, unless you can prove that this was verified. Also im sure some getbbiger had to participate in the poll so I hope they will step forward and comment.
Can you provide the percentage of Americans polled who were alive when Lincoln was assassinated (here is a hint its 0). As a side note the living population still alive from when MLK was shot ?
Trump is hated today and history may see him as a hero. Obama was praised but history may prove such praise isn't warranted. Murdered today loved tomorrow.
One thing that is for sure, Matt Laur has always been a low life.
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Dummy, Hispanics aren't white.
And you answered your own question, retard. Ali was a racist coward because he would have been kept safely out of harms way and still refused to serve.
Anything else you need spelled out for your down syndrome having ass?
if hispanics aren't white (or at least white hispanics) why does your government have a category on it's census form for "white" hispanics and why does your government's census state that the population is 77% (or thereabouts) white, including white hispanics?
white hispanics are ethnically european, just as non hispanic whites are ethnically european... do blacks become non black after a certain time separated from africa...what you're saying here really fits in with the narrative that "race" is just a social rather than biological construct...though i don't expect your little brain would be capable of even contemplating that point tbh.
another quick question for you, "brains". are italians white?
and you're too dim to understand why what you're saying about ali doesn't make sense. if people of ali's stature were not drafted into dangerous situations then what would ali have been scared of? a coward is someone who is scared of something...what do you think ali was scared of?
the irony here, ali got in the ring with the elite fighters of his era. yet when you ran your mouth on here to another mod and then got challenged to get in a boxing ring, you sht in your pants....but you say ali was a coward...ok, sure thing, "chaos" :D
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Good point a 14 year old poll is relevant and likely accurate. Do you think Matt Laur would still be a credible host if this were voted on by the same 2 million today? Or have circumstances changed his position in life?
Also the poll said it was conducted with millions via AOL, that doesn't mean it was American citizens who voted, unless you can prove that this was verified. Also im sure some getbbiger had to participate in the poll so I hope they will step forward and comment.
Can you provide the percentage of Americans polled who were alive when Lincoln was assassinated (here is a hint its 0). As a side note the living population still alive from when MLK was shot ?
Trump is hated today and history may see him as a hero. Obama was praised but history may prove such praise isn't warranted. Murdered today loved tomorrow.
One thing that is for sure, Matt Laur has always been a low life.
Yes but this is just a case of shooting the messenger. I very much doubt the host of the show would have any influence on the poll.
Also, if you consider that 75% of Americans were against mlk in his lifetime, you could reasonably assume that the longer he has been dead the more popular he's become.
Especially with younger generations coming that will be amazed at the conditions of those times.
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if hispanics aren't white (or at least white hispanics) why does your government have a category on it's census form for "white" hispanics
Stopped reading here. It involves crime stats and records in order to make races look more "even" in who commits crimes. ;)
You really should focus on your local muzzie invasion more than the US issues. You guys are fucked. :D
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Stopped reading here. It involves crime stats and records in order to make races look more "even" in who commits crimes. ;)
You really should focus on your local muzzie invasion more than the US issues. You guys are fucked. :D
well lets put it this way, even if you're just trolling it's still pretty clear you're as thick as pig sht.
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well lets put it this way, even if you're just trolling it's still pretty clear you're as thick as pig sht.
Not my fault you can't accept facts. :)
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Not my fault you can't accept facts. :)
It's Plonker, what do you expect?