Trump and Draft

[Agnostic007]

Agnostic, there’s a feature when posting that says “insert quote” where you can scroll down and do a bunch in one post instead of just arbitrarily running up your post count. 

thanks.. although post count aint my thing and I figure the person i'm talking to can figure it out 

[Agnostic007]

It may be bad form to say he prefers his soldiers not to get captured. But so do I. So does the soldier.

People don't seem to understand that those that support Trump do so because of his stand on issues: taxes, immigration, military not because he's politically incorrect.

Yeah.. it really is stupid to bag on POW's.. no way to make that sound anything but stupid

[pellius]

Yeah.. it really is stupid to bag on POW's.. no way to make that sound anything but stupid

Trump says a lot of stupid things. Trump has done a lot of great things.

[Agnostic007]

Trump says a lot of stupid things. Trump has done a lot of great things.

I agree with the 1st part. waiting on evidence of the second part

[pellius]

I agree with the 1st part. waiting on evidence of the second part

Oh boy.

Can someone post the long list again? I'm still recovering from the holidays.

My cousin, who works at First Hawaiian Bank, did get a raise from $12/hr to $15/hr right after the capital gains tax cut.

So that's one.

BTW, what does ISIS stand for again? I've already forgotten all about that "J.V. Team" that dominated the news under Obama.

[Pray_4_War]

...but he hated the nhiggas

He didn't enjoy the company of people that he called moulinyan....but he didn't hate them.  They stayed in their neighborhoods and he stayed in his.

[Pray_4_War]

To be honest, you speak for yourself when you say you don't mind someone who dodged the draft. That's ok, just own it

This fake scandal is just like when Dems tried to make a big deal out of Trump paying off whores. 

Everyone already knows that billionaires bang a lot of whores.  Everyone already knows that wealthy connected people got out of serving in Vietnam.  This isn't news and it's not relevant to what's happening in 2018.

MAGA

This says all I need to know about you

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.  Not in the least.

[Kwon]

This fake scandal is just like when Dems tried to make a big deal out of Trump paying off whores. 

Everyone already knows that billionaires bang a lot of whores.  Everyone already knows that wealthy connected people got out of serving in Vietnam.  This isn't news and it's not relevant to what's happening in 2018.

MAGA

I don't give a fuck what you think of me.  Not in the least.

Agnostic007 sure ain't no Matt Canning.

[Conker]

No question what Ali did was more honorable but the point is both he and Trump avoided going to the war and in hindsight they made the correct decision.


Ali was a black Muslim in 64 Trump was a rich white kid. Ali used his drafting to make a statement, Trump used his resources to stay home.

Both made the correct decision by avoiding the war.

big difference being, ali didn't then go around besmirching the service record of others that did decide to go.

[Pray_4_War]

big difference being, ali didn't then go around besmirching the service record of others that did decide to go.

Liberals revere war heroes.  To them, serving in Vietnam is the most honorable thing you can do and it shows great character.

That's why they all voted for John McCain instead of Barrack Obama in 2008.

[Conker]

Liberals revere war heroes.  To them, serving in Vietnam is the most honorable thing you can do and it shows great character.

That's why they all voted for John McCain instead of Barrack Obama in 2008.

again, there's a big difference between not voting for a war hero and trying to belittle their service.

[Dave D]

big difference being, ali didn't then go around besmirching the service record of others that did decide to go.

The big difference is Ali is dead and spent the last 20 years of his life a comatose vegetable confined to a wheel chair because he made the career choice to use his head as a punching bag.

Let's not forgot about Joe Frazier either. Ali called Joe an uncle tom and lobbied blacks to see Joe as a race traitor. He did all this after Joe made sure Ali was taken care financially during the time Ali was prevented from boxing. Calling an innocent man a race traitor isnt exactly humanitarian behavior.

Hate Trump and call him out for his poor behavior but let's stick to the facts.

Ali made a public stand and refused to participate in a corrupt war, he paid a heavy price for his stance, and while he was vilified at the time history proved his actions  to be correct.

Trump also did not participate in the same said war, ALLEGEDLY using doctors notes to avoid service. He also made the right choice.

Ali disgraced Joe Fraziers character to sell tickets. Trump insulted John McCain to garner votes. Both men, like all people, have self serving tendencies.

[hardgainerj]

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[Conker]

The big difference is Ali is dead and spent the last 20 years of his life a comatose vegetable confined to a wheel chair because he made the career choice to use his head as a punching bag.

Let's not forgot about Joe Frazier either. Ali called Joe an uncle tom and lobbied blacks to see Joe as a race traitor. He did all this after Joe made sure Ali was taken care financially during the time Ali was prevented from boxing. Calling an innocent man a race traitor isnt exactly humanitarian behavior.

Hate Trump and call him out for his poor behavior but let's stick to the facts.

Ali made a public stand and refused to participate in a corrupt war, he paid a heavy price for his stance, and while he was vilified at the time history proved his actions  to be correct.

Trump also did not participate in the same said war, ALLEGEDLY using doctors notes to avoid service. He also made the right choice.

Ali disgraced Joe Fraziers character to sell tickets. Trump insulted John McCain to garner votes. Both men, like all people, have self serving tendencies.

i don't think ali was an angel by any stretch of the imagination but even given the circumstances you describe. i still think there's a big difference in levels between an athlete calling a fellow athlete an uncle tom in the promotion of a fight and someone serving in the highest office in the land mocking the military service of another politician who spent 5 years being tortured in POW camp. especially when he himself was excused (genuinely or otherwise) from a military draft on medical grounds.

[Coach is Back!]

I agree with the 1st part. waiting on evidence of the second part

Maybe if you pulled your head out the MSM's ass you'd know. You and the rest of the left minions just regurgitate whatever they put in your empty heads.

[SuperTed]

Aren't there some that call into question McCain's military legacy?

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/is-john-mccain-a-war-hero-6421192

Either way, I think Trump's comments aimed at McCain were foolish/myopic and were bound to later be used against him. Considering how flawed McCain was a politician and the amount of reasons to critique him in this field, there wasn't any need to attack him over his prior career in the military.

[Hulkotron]

Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?

Have these questions been addressed yet?

[Dave D]

i don't think ali was an angel by any stretch of the imagination but even given the circumstances you describe. i still think there's a big difference in levels between an athlete calling a fellow athlete an uncle tom in the promotion of a fight and someone serving in the highest office in the land mocking the military service of another politician who spent 5 years being tortured in POW camp. especially when he himself was excused (genuinely or otherwise) from a military draft on medical grounds.

Fair enough.

You'd be correct if all things were relative, but you're not accounting for the time period though and where America was culturally in the 70s.

But if you want Trumps actions to be worse, I understand your points.

[Griffith]

I don't think anyone can blame Trump for his actions.

The United States Air Force should have been carpet bombing North Vietnam into oblivion anyway until there was nothing left.

[Conker]

Fair enough.

You'd be correct if all things were relative, but you're not accounting for the time period though and where America was culturally in the 70s.

But if you want Trumps actions to be worse, I understand your points.

tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.

it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama

[Primemuscle]

Where did Clinton serve? Which branch should I thank Obama for serving in?

Good point. Except this is not about whether these Presidents served, it is about lying to avoid the draft. The draft ended in 1973 when Obama was 12 years old. Clinton was never called because he drew a high number in the 1969 draft lottery.

[Pray_4_War]

tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.

it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama

Not sure what difference it makes to you.  You need to clean up your own back yard.

[Conker]

Not sure what difference it makes to you.  You need to clean up your own back yard.

makes zero difference to me just shooting the sht. since the arrival of trump US politics has been taking up more space in the UK news and media than it used to. maybe because it's become like a real life soap opera.

one thing for certain trump would never get away with his behaviour in UK politics. for instance any recording coming to light like the "grab em by the pussy" trump classic, would be the end of any serious politician in the UK

[Conservative Coach]

Wasn’t Blumenthal, a lib that was claiming he was in Vietnam when actually it was proven that he lied about his service. I believe they call that Stolen Valor. How come no mention of that, hypocrites?

Make you own thread about Blumenthal. Until then, try to stay on topic, fuckwit.

[Conservative Coach]

Hahaha.

It's about to be 2019.  I think I speak for a lot of Americans when I say that I don't give a flying m0therfuck about Vietnam right now.  I support Trump because he's pro-America and anti-globalism.

Trump could have been an NVA General back in 1969 and I'd still vote for him in 2020.  Nobody cares about this bullshit except douchebag liberals desperate to come up with some bullshit to damage Trump.

Better luck next time.

This from a guy who calls himself Pray 4 War. The Irony.

Maybe change your name to Pray 4 Dicks