Trump and Draft

[funk51]

Trump says a lot of stupid things. Trump has done a lot of great things.

                                                        he's an enigma wrapped in a riddle.

[Pray_4_War]

makes zero difference to me just shooting the sht. since the arrival of trump US politics has been taking up more space in the UK news and media than it used to. maybe because it's become like a real life soap opera.

one thing for certain trump would never get away with his behaviour in UK politics. for instance any recording coming to light like the "grab em by the pussy" trump classic, would be the end of any serious politician in the UK

UK politics?  The people vote to withdraw from the EU and the politicians work to overturn the will of the people......and with this "deal" it seems as though they have.

Tell me again about your great UK politicians, lol.

[IroNat]

Everybody while in college got out of serving during Vietnam.

That's why it was called a poor man's war.

No doubt Trump's dad arranged his  4-F exemption.  

Many rich, politically connected kids joined the service but got non-combat assignments arranged out of harms way.

This was done in WW2 also. Do you think Roosevelt's son was doing combat duty? 

Lincoln's son was also not given combat duty in the Civil War.

[Conker]

UK politics?  The people vote to withdraw from the EU and the politicians work to overturn the will of the people......and with this "deal" it seems as though they have.

Tell me again about your great UK politicians, lol.

tbh imo the majority of UK politicians are a bunch of self serving fukwits but at least there is some sort of minimum standard of behaviour expected. the PM can't go around confessing to grabbing women by the pussy and paying off prostitutes...

[Pray_4_War]

This from a guy who calls himself Pray 4 War. The Irony.

Maybe change your name to Pray 4 Dicks

Interesting that you chose to respond when I mentioned douchebag liberals.  It's like the old saying goes......Speak of the douchebag and he is bound to appear.

You are an unfunny gimmick, your stolen name sucks, and you should feel bad.

[Pray_4_War]

tbh imo the majority of UK politicians are a bunch of self serving fukwits but at least there is some sort of minimum standard of behaviour expected. the PM can't go around confessing to grabbing women by the pussy and paying off prostitutes...

Yes, a crude off the record comment is much worse than politicians who literally reverse the results of an election.   Retard.

Trump is a little rough but so was Teddy Roosevelt.  I'd argue that his personality is exactly what we need right now.  Trump was called for such a time as this.

[Conker]

Yes, a crude off the record comment is much worse than politicians who literally reverse the results of an election.   Retard.

Trump is a little rough but so was Teddy Roosevelt.  I'd argue that his personality is exactly what we need right now.  Trump was called for such a time as this.

now you're just showing how misinformed you are. moron.

think of brexit like a gun control referendum in the states. it's an issue that literally divides the nation. due to the nature of the EU it was impossible to know what brexit would like at the time of the referendum.

so following the referendum politicians were still left arguing what was truly the will of the people. if they knew there would be no trade deal would they still have voted to leave etc....

you think if the US public voted for a blanket ban on gun ownership in a referendum that that would just be the end of it and those on the losing side would just accept it?

i actually think may's deal does deliver on the will of the people. it should bring about the end of freedom of movement )which was probably the biggest issue for leave voters) and it will also allow the UK to keep trading tariff free with the EU nations (the biggest concern for remain voters).

[Griffith]

Everybody while in college got out of serving during Vietnam.

That's why it was called a poor man's war.

No doubt Trump's dad arranged his  4-F exemption.  

Many rich, politically connected kids joined the service but got non-combat assignments arranged out of harms way.

This was done in WW2 also. Do you think Roosevelt's son was doing combat duty? 

Lincoln's son was also not given combat duty in the Civil War.

Correct. It's always been the same.

[Pray_4_War]

now you're just showing how misinformed you are. moron.

think of brexit like a gun control referendum in the states. it's an issue that literally divides the nation. due to the nature of the EU it was impossible to know what brexit would like at the time of the referendum.

so following the referendum politicians were still left arguing what was truly the will of the people. if they knew there would be no trade deal would they still have voted to leave etc....

you think if the US public voted for a blanket ban on gun ownership in a referendum that that would just be the end of it and those on the losing side would just accept it?

i actually think may's deal does deliver on the will of the people. it should bring about the end of freedom of movement )which was probably the biggest issue for leave voters) and it will also allow the UK to keep trading tariff free with the EU nations (the biggest concern for remain voters).

Good dog.

[Griffith]

Good dog.

Please do not insult dogs.

[Conker]

Good dog.

well you asked about UK politics. obviously that crashed your little pea brain

[Primemuscle]

Everybody while in college got out of serving during Vietnam.

That's why it was called a poor man's war.

No doubt Trump's dad arranged his  4-F exemption.  

Many rich, politically connected kids joined the service but got non-combat assignments arranged out of harms way.

This was done in WW2 also. Do you think Roosevelt's son was doing combat duty? 

Lincoln's son was also not given combat duty in the Civil War.

Sometimes enlistees are assigned non-combat duties (jobs) because they better serve the military other areas where their intelligence is their main asset. My son was able to choose his MOS which was logistics.

[IroNat]

Sometimes enlistees are assigned non-combat duties (jobs) because they better serve the military other areas where their intelligence is their main asset. My son was able to choose his MOS which was logistics.

Certainly this is true but it is not what is being discussed.

Using political or money influence to get your son a non-combat role or to get out of serving completely is what I was referring to.

[chaos]

really?

Absolutely

[chaos]

ali's avoidance was probably a bit more honourable than trump's. he didn't go and get himself a sick note. he made a public stand and was prepared to go to prison for it.

tbf some of the things ali is recorded as saying at the time and about vietnam, show he had a great deal of wisdom and was well ahead of his time.

Didn't Cassius Clay find Islam and change his slave name to avoid going to Vietnam?

In 1966, two years after winning the heavyweight title, Ali further antagonized the white establishment by refusing to be drafted into the U.S. military, citing his religious beliefs, and opposition to American involvement in the Vietnam War.[6][8] He was eventually arrested, found guilty of draft evasion charges, and stripped of his boxing titles.

Real honorable

[K A N N I B A L]

Didn't Cassius Clay find Islam and change his slave name to avoid going to Vietnam?

Real honorable

Why would anyone pro trump care about honor?

[Dave D]

tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.

it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama

I understand what you're saying and, again, your point is valid.

BUT Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and all other presidents prior were politicians before becoming president (and all had moments that were less than presidential).

Trump was a media celebrity.

He was elected for not having couth and being politically incompetent. If America wanted a politician Hillary would be in office.

Trump is who he is.

[NarcissisticDeity]

tbh not sure what is worse but as iconic a figure as ali was he still was only a sports star. trump is supposed to behave like the president.

it would be more relevant comparing his behaviour to the likes of his predecessor - obama

Obama killed children including an American child. Trump just puts " kids in cages "

[DooM_]

tbh imo the majority of UK politicians are a bunch of self serving fukwits but at least there is some sort of minimum standard of behaviour expected. the PM can't go around confessing to grabbing women by the pussy and paying off prostitutes...

you didn't finish high school , you have a criminal record , you have been to prison for your crimes , you are the lowest of the low

[Conker]

Didn't Cassius Clay find Islam and change his slave name to avoid going to Vietnam?

Real honorable

From what I gather ali converted to Islam before the US entered the war in Vietnam.

He said(roughly) his enemy was the white establishment so why would he go and fight against other brown people thousands of miles away that he had no quarrel with on behalf of his real enemy...

Sounds like a pretty honourable position to me. 

[MAXX]

                                                        he's an enigma wrapped in a riddle.

couldn't they make his chin abit more complimenting I mean he will be on that coin for eternity basically

[Conker]

I understand what you're saying and, again, your point is valid.

BUT Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and all other presidents prior were politicians before becoming president (and all had moments that were less than presidential).

Trump was a media celebrity.

He was elected for not having couth and being politically incompetent. If America wanted a politician Hillary would be in office.

Trump is who he is.

I get that part of the attraction was that trump was not a politician. But. He's probably at least as dishonest and untrustworthy as the majority of politicians yet he has no skills of diplomacy. So it's a lose - lose

[DooM_]

I get that part of the attraction was that trump was not a politician. But. He's probably at least as dishonest and untrustworthy as the majority of politicians yet he has no skills of diplomacy. So it's a lose - lose

you have no right to lecture on what is honorable , dishonorable or ' trustworthy'  ,  you're a convicted criminal who has been to prison  , you're the lowest of the low

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

one thing for certain trump would never get away with his behaviour in UK politics. for instance any recording coming to light like the "grab em by the pussy" trump classic, would be the end of any serious politician in the UK

Fuck sake man, our prime minister David Cameron got away with putting his wang in the mouth of a pig. And I don't mean Theresa May. 

[funk51]

Why would anyone pro trump care about honor?

                              hey he got a trophy for bowling.