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Story time.
I'm not a bodybuilding expert or a guru or a bro-scientist. I'm not a doctor or a personal trainer so don't take this as advices. I'm lifetime natural and while I look great for my age I've never been on a bodybuilding stage. My entire adult life I've bought into the idea that to grow bigger muscles you have to lift heavier weight. In my younger years that's exactly what I did. I always thought that training in high rep ranges was for definition. I kept my rep ranges between 8 and 10 most times. Sometimes I'd go lower or higher just to mix things up. (Muscle confusion principle)
Well time passes and shit happens. I don't live very close to a gym anymore and I don't have the same amount of time to work out that I did in my 20's. Thus I've been lifting at home with nothing more than some hex dumbells. I've been training super light just because I don't have ultra heavy weights. You could say I kinda fell ass-backwards into high rep ranges. On most of my exercises I've been in the 30 or 40 rep range and I increase it when I can. As an example my last set of one armed overhead tricep extensions I hit 50 reps with a 30 pound dumbell. My muscles were really knotted up after that.
I've been surprised to see that not only did I keep my size, I've actually grown. I'm looking the best I have in years and I'm feeling swole. What does it mean? Maybe nothing, but I thought I had heard a while back that time under tension (at least 30 seconds) is a big factor in hypertrophy. I don't know if that's true but I've been pleased my results the last couple years lifting like this. Years ago I would have scoffed at the idea of doing 40 plus rep sets but now that's me. Anybody else out there training light and doing stupid amounts of reps just to up the intensity? Any comments, praise or criticisms? Personal attacks and mockery are ok too.
I'm not going to do this forever but for now it's an interesting experiment.
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The argument for lighter weights as you get older is that it’s easier on the joints. Of course, if you’re going to go lighter you’re going to need higher reps.
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This was called "muscle spinning" in the very old days.
Nothing new.
Those gains you made in size will disappear like a flash if you stop pumping them. It is all muscle goo.
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This was called "muscle spinning" in the very old days.
Nothing new.
Those gains you made in size will disappear like a flash if you stop pumping them. It is all muscle goo.
Wouldn't that be true regardless of if you lift heavy or light?
Also, what is muscle goo? lol.
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Waiting for Mr. Canada to come in and discuss his hypothesis of hypertrophy.
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Been into high reps for quite a while.I will do barbell curls for 75-100 reps,most sets will be 20+ and it does build muscle no doubt in my mind.Only recently have so gone back to low reps and now I’m growing again.So I’d say go back and forth every few months that way you get beat of both worlds and ease the joint strain as welll.
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There have been several studies done within the last few years that show both approaches are very similar in results. Up to 30 reps I believe.
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I should add that the good results I'm getting are mostly for upper body. My legs need more weight.
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I should add that the good results I'm getting are mostly for upper body. My legs need more weight.
Try doing 100 rep steps for forearms and the results will blow your mind.The vascularity,pumps and growth are amazing.
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Higher volume and reps has been mentioned frequently as being better in terms of hypertrophy.
The training routines I follow have recently added a program geared around bodybuilding, and it does just that - adds volume.
That said, I avoid high reps because I don't want to get too huge.
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There have been several studies done within the last few years that show both approaches are very similar in results. Up to 30 reps I believe.
exactly!! science has proven that there are no MAGIC number of reps to produce hypertrophy gainz....volume, frequency and intensity are far more important factors!!!
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exactly!! science has proven that there are no MAGIC number of reps to produce hypertrophy gainz....volume, frequency and intensity are far more important factors!!!
Not much more intense than taking a weight and banging 50-100 reps and at the same time it covers volume.Barbell curl 95 lbs for 75 reps and narrow grip bench 185 for 75 reps and you will be super pumped and screaming from the burn.
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you will be super pumped and screaming from the burn.
That might look awkward in a public gym.
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That might look awkward in a public gym.
Look better than screaming from the burn at the urinal.
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exactly!! science has proven that there are no MAGIC number of reps to produce hypertrophy gainz....volume, frequency and intensity are far more important factors!!!
This is the truth. Bro scientists eat your heart out..
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both low rep and high weight and high rep and low weight are important for hypertrophy but nothing without good old exogenous testosterone and some GH.
The only thing you can do without peds is to maintain the relatively small amount of muscle your own genetic makeup allows you to carry.
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I would bet that the typical bodybuilder would be completely gassed if they had to do three sets of 20 body weight squats with one minute rest in between.
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I would bet that the typical bodybuilder would be completely gassed if they had to do three sets of 20 body weight squats with one minute rest in between.
I agree...
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There have been several studies done within the last few years that show both approaches are very similar in results. Up to 30 reps I believe.
Yes- here is just one of many:
https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00154.2016
"In conclusion, high- and low-repetition (low and high load, respectively) training paradigms elicit a comparable stimulus for the accretion of skeletal muscle mass when resistance exercise is performed until volitional failure. The current findings taken together with previous reports (1, 20, 28) show that these effects are not contingent upon training status or study design. Increases in lean body mass, as an indirect measure of muscle mass, and muscle fiber CSA, a direct measure of muscle area, occurred in both LR and HR groups with no differences between groups"
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Look better than screaming from the burn at the urinal.
Bwahahahaha!
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So the theory is weight training, that taxes and causes stress to the muscle, builds the muscle?
Interesting
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lets not forget the theory that some body parts work better with high reps
me personally i think its a pain in the ass, if the cardio isnt there high reps is very tough and it takes forever to complete a set
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I was taking about this yesterday on my IG Q&A and the bottom line is as you get older the loads will go down naturally. I’ve always trained as heavy as I can but still aware of my injury potential but I’m training for a different purpose right now, that’s not to say that you shouldn’t be doing the same, you should. One of the greatest assets we have and should be striving for is maintaining as much lean muscle mass as possible for metabolic purposes and training for strength and power should be included as well. The biggest downfall of getting older is “sarcopenia” it happens to EVERYONE including Dexter Jackson and Kevin Levrone even Albert Beccles as great as he was in his 50’s still wasn’t the Albert Beccles in his 30’s or even 40’s
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lets not forget the theory that some body parts work better with high reps
me personally i think its a pain in the ass, if the cardio isnt there high reps is very tough and it takes forever to complete a set
I was being a jackass bro.
Life changes so should training. We dont always respond the same way to the same stimulation.
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Story time.
I'm not a bodybuilding expert or a guru or a bro-scientist. I'm not a doctor or a personal trainer so don't take this as advices. I'm lifetime natural and while I look great for my age I've never been on a bodybuilding stage. My entire adult life I've bought into the idea that to grow bigger muscles you have to lift heavier weight. In my younger years that's exactly what I did. I always thought that training in high rep ranges was for definition. I kept my rep ranges between 8 and 10 most times. Sometimes I'd go lower or higher just to mix things up. (Muscle confusion principle)
Well time passes and shit happens. I don't live very close to a gym anymore and I don't have the same amount of time to work out that I did in my 20's. Thus I've been lifting at home with nothing more than some hex dumbells. I've been training super light just because I don't have ultra heavy weights. You could say I kinda fell ass-backwards into high rep ranges. On most of my exercises I've been in the 30 or 40 rep range and I increase it when I can. As an example my last set of one armed overhead tricep extensions I hit 50 reps with a 30 pound dumbell. My muscles were really knotted up after that.
I've been surprised to see that not only did I keep my size, I've actually grown. I'm looking the best I have in years and I'm feeling swole. What does it mean? Maybe nothing, but I thought I had heard a while back that time under tension (at least 30 seconds) is a big factor in hypertrophy. I don't know if that's true but I've been pleased my results the last couple years lifting like this. Years ago I would have scoffed at the idea of doing 40 plus rep sets but now that's me. Anybody else out there training light and doing stupid amounts of reps just to up the intensity? Any comments, praise or criticisms? Personal attacks and mockery are ok too.
I'm not going to do this forever but for now it's an interesting experiment.
This is almost exactly the same as my story. I wish I had known this when I was younger as I never would have had joint pain. High reps lighter weight is the way to go. Let the heavy weight lifters beat themselves up. Charles Atlas looked good up until death.
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Bottom line, most are doing what's easier not what's best. Of course, it's easier to train lighter with more reps but you NEED heavier compound movements to make it (more) effective. Most are inherently lazy when it comes to training...in almost any modality.
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Bottom line, most are doing what's easier not what's best. Of course, it's easier to train lighter with more reps but you NEED heavier compound movements to make it (more) effective. Most are inherently lazy when it comes to training...in almost any modality.
For athletes yes, but for over 40 guys who just want to look good? What advantage is there to lifting heavy if I'm not competing?
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For athletes yes, but for over 40 guys who just want to look good? What advantage is there to lifting heavy if I'm not competing?
You get stronger instead of weaker.
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I agree to train heavy as well but think both have its place and I think you will get more out of training if doing low and high reps both intensely.I don’t do high reps with light weight to make it easy I use the heaviest weight possible and go thru the extreme burn.
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I believe a pyramid routine works well for the aging lifter. You’re not doing a lot of volume with the heavy stuff and by the time you get there you’re well warmed up. 15/12/10/8/6 and perhaps a drop set with a lighter weight.
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For athletes yes, but for over 40 guys who just want to look good? What advantage is there to lifting heavy if I'm not competing?
40 is about the declining age for losing lean muscle tissue. On average we'll lose about 3-5% of strength per year when you lose strength you slow the ability to gain or even maintain lean muscle tissue. I'm not saying you have to have to bench, squat or deadlift a ton or even train on percentages. Power and strength is a huge part of even maintaining.
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I fully admit that I'm training all wrong in a lot of ways. Like I said, this is temporary and I'm enjoying this chance to mix it up a bit. Shock my muscles and do something they aren't used to.
The truth is that I had plateaued doing a more traditional workout structure. I'm looking and feeling good with this but soon it will be time to get back into the gym and train more "normal".
If someone wants to call my lazy or stupid that's ok by me. Truth is, I'm not on drugs so it really doesn't matter what I do. I'm always gonna look like shit compared to guys on gear. lol.
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40 is about the declining age for losing lean muscle tissue. On average we'll lose about 3-5% of strength per year when you lose strength you slow the ability to gain or even maintain lean muscle tissue. I'm not saying you have to have to bench, squat or deadlift a ton or even train on percentages. Power and strength is a huge part of even maintaining.
You’re right but we’re also more susceptible to injury. One of the few universally agreed upon concepts is consistency. You can’t be consistent when you’re hurt. That said, heavy lifting should be done sparingly and with lots of warm up.
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You’re right but we’re also more susceptible to injury. One of the few universally agreed upon concepts is consistency. You can’t be consistent when you’re hurt. That said, heavy lifting should be done sparingly and with lots of warm up.
That's one area where I'm solid. I do NOT miss a fucking workout.
I probably should take more rest days than I do.
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40 is about the declining age for losing lean muscle tissue. On average we'll lose about 3-5% of strength per year when you lose strength you slow the ability to gain or even maintain lean muscle tissue. I'm not saying you have to have to bench, squat or deadlift a ton or even train on percentages. Power and strength is a huge part of even maintaining.
That's the popular opinion. If a person continues lifting high rep sets will they get weaker? How come men who just do pushups only don't get weaker?
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You’re right but we’re also more susceptible to injury. One of the few universally agreed upon concepts is consistency. You can’t be consistent when you’re hurt. That said, heavy lifting should be done sparingly and with lots of warm up.
I agree. I'm not advocating training heavy on every exercise but as we get older, heavy becomes relative to age. I think the rep scheme you posted is good and effective. As for warm-ups, seems to take me forever before I even touch a weight. Just to add, I still keep with a deload week every 4th week.
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Waiting for Mr. Canada to come in and discuss his hypothesis of hypertrophy.
He's out of action, + 35'C in his suburb ;D 8)
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He's out of action, + 35'C in his suburb ;D 8)
;D
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He's out of action, + 35'C in his suburb ;D 8)
Haha Will be like an oven in the warehouse with it’s uninsulated wrinkly tin roof
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Story time.
I'm not a bodybuilding expert or a guru or a bro-scientist. I'm not a doctor or a personal trainer so don't take this as advices. I'm lifetime natural and while I look great for my age I've never been on a bodybuilding stage. My entire adult life I've bought into the idea that to grow bigger muscles you have to lift heavier weight. In my younger years that's exactly what I did. I always thought that training in high rep ranges was for definition. I kept my rep ranges between 8 and 10 most times. Sometimes I'd go lower or higher just to mix things up. (Muscle confusion principle)
Well time passes and shit happens. I don't live very close to a gym anymore and I don't have the same amount of time to work out that I did in my 20's. Thus I've been lifting at home with nothing more than some hex dumbells. I've been training super light just because I don't have ultra heavy weights. You could say I kinda fell ass-backwards into high rep ranges. On most of my exercises I've been in the 30 or 40 rep range and I increase it when I can. As an example my last set of one armed overhead tricep extensions I hit 50 reps with a 30 pound dumbell. My muscles were really knotted up after that.
I've been surprised to see that not only did I keep my size, I've actually grown. I'm looking the best I have in years and I'm feeling swole. What does it mean? Maybe nothing, but I thought I had heard a while back that time under tension (at least 30 seconds) is a big factor in hypertrophy. I don't know if that's true but I've been pleased my results the last couple years lifting like this. Years ago I would have scoffed at the idea of doing 40 plus rep sets but now that's me. Anybody else out there training light and doing stupid amounts of reps just to up the intensity? Any comments, praise or criticisms? Personal attacks and mockery are ok too.
I'm not going to do this forever but for now it's an interesting experiment.
Good for you for sticking to the game regardless of how much weight you lift or how many reps you do. Whatever is working is great.
Recently, I completely changed my workout routine. I am now doing what I did when I began weight training. I workout 3 alternate days each week, doing 3 sets of 10 reps for each body-part, working the whole body each time I work out. I've actually seen gains since starting this routine. In my previous routine, I exercised 6 days a week, mainly one muscle group per day with heavier resistance using a variety of sets and reps and with the intent of maxing out during the the last set. My conclusion is that I was overdoing it for my age and condition. This resulted in my missing days and even taking rather long vacations from the gym.
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Any theory for why muscle hypertrophy seems to peak at about six reps? IMO, once you get down to the the very low rep maxes, the effort spreads away from the primary working muscle. For example, when you get down to your three rep max on overhead shoulder presses there’s going to be some lower back involvement, as opposed to your 8 rep max where can muscle up the weight with nothing but strong delt contractions.
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How many powerlifters have joint problems once they reach into their 50's?
It's obvious that lighten up the load can save the joints and still increase strength.
It's nonsense to believe that only heavy poundage will maintain strength and bone density, etc, once one reaches middle ages.
I have never heard a doctor tell a 70 year old client, "you have to lift with your maximum effort for 2-5 reps to maintain strength."
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How many powerlifters have joint problems once they reach into their 50's?
It's obvious that lighten up the load can save the joints and still increase strength.
It's nonsense to believe that only heavy poundage will maintain strength and bone density, etc, once one reaches middle ages.
I have never heard a doctor tell a 70 year old client, "you have to lift with your maximum effort for 2-5 reps to maintain strength."
Please tell us more about your expertise on this subject
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super bro science here but i believe in feeders for arm size and delt size
i would say feeder help .75 to 1inch on my arms.
also i think one needs to mix up bbing training
heavy duty
high reps/lots of negs and static holds
posing more inporant than training at times - even if you dont compete learn to pose - game changer
but...........wanna add some size to your arms? mine around usually around 20s as welll feeders work
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Thanks Coach and others for updating all the valuable broscience re bodybuilding.
This broscience sucks. What you!
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Thanks Coach and others for updating all the valuable broscience re bodybuilding.
This broscience sucks. What you!
Thanks Vince, like Ocasio-Cortez you’re the gift that keeps on giving
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U grow from the heart outwards, trying to grow from your dick or your bicept wont work
There is burning the muscle like leg extension n theres growing the body with sqwats
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How many powerlifters have joint problems once they reach into their 50's?
It's obvious that lighten up the load can save the joints and still increase strength.
It's nonsense to believe that only heavy poundage will maintain strength and bone density, etc, once one reaches middle ages.
I have never heard a doctor tell a 70 year old client, "you have to lift with your maximum effort for 2-5 reps to maintain strength."
My doctor has not said this to me. But then, it's pretty obvious he doesn't lift. So, I wouldn't believe him if he did. ;D
What's more, I don't follow directions all that well.
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Please tell us more about your expertise on this subject
You don't have to an expert to know that at 60, you shouldn't lift heavy poundage like you did when you were 20 (even in relative terms).
Again, the amount of powerlifters with joint problems, proves it.
Now, does EVERY powerlifter have joint problems? Of course not. But, as we age, our body inevitably changes, thus our workouts need to change as well.
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What is the test of truth for theories re hypertrophy? I doubt any science has been done that we would benefit from...that is, long term hypertrophy on advanced bodybuilders.
In the vacuum resulting from the lack of research exist all manner of gurus and experts. Broscience has evolved to the absurd. Eg., Do what works! It is all genetics and drugs.
Clearly everyone here is an expert. No doubt about that whatsoever.
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My doctor has not said this to me. But then, it's pretty obvious he doesn't lift. So, I wouldn't believe him if he did. ;D
What's more, I don't follow directions all that well.
Clearly, exercising in any capacity where you tax the muscle, whether 2-5 reps or 20-30 reps, will be healthy and positive for the individual. Obviously, if done correctly. But, as stated, this applies to middle aged men or older, who just want to stay fit and healthy.
Obviously, a world class athlete (e.g., powerlifter, WSM, olympic lifter) is going to train totally different.
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You don't have to an expert to know that at 60, you shouldn't lift heavy poundage like you did when you were 20 (even in relative terms).
Again, the amount of powerlifters with joint problems, proves it.
Now, does EVERY powerlifter have joint problems? Of course not. But, as we age, our body inevitably changes, thus our workouts need to change as well.
The words of someone who knows bugger all about training or ageing.
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U grow from the heart outwards, trying to grow from your dick or your bicept wont work
There is burning the muscle like leg extension n theres growing the body with sqwats
One thing I know for sure is I've been completely unsuccessful at growing my dick. -Any advice? ;)
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The words of someone who knows bugger all about training or ageing.
And, yet, I still have better looking arms than you, even when you did drugs in your early days. :D :D
Funny how that works out, huh? :D :D
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One thing I know for sure is I've been completely unsuccessful at growing my dick. -Any advice? ;)
are you trying to grow out your wang?
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The one thing that I will say, is that its really all about genetics. Rep range doesn't matter.
Shoulders are my best bodypart. No matter what I do for them, high rep, low reps, moderate reps, they grow.
Chest is my weak area, and no matter what I do for them, high rep, low reps, moderate reps, they are extremely stubborn to grow.
Really, I don't think rep range really matters if the genetic potential is there to grow, the bodypart will grow. The same with machines vs free weights--does not matter.
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What is the test of truth for theories re hypertrophy? I doubt any science has been done that we would benefit from...that is, long term hypertrophy on advanced bodybuilders.
In the vacuum resulting from the lack of research exist all manner of gurus and experts. Broscience has evolved to the absurd. Eg., Do what works! It is all genetics and drugs.
Clearly everyone here is an expert. No doubt about that whatsoever.
Excuse me, but you come across as someone who believes they are an expert when it comes to bodybuilding. Broscience has been around forever. Most of us have listened to it and even tried what was suggested. Eventually, we figure out what works for ourselves at any given time.
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Excuse me, but you come across as someone who believe they are an expert when it comes to bodybuilding. Broscience has been around forever. Most of us have listened to it and even tried what was suggested. Eventually, we figure out what works for ourselves at any given time.
He is the furthest thing from an expert.
He won Mr. Canada because he rigged his own contest by picking the judges.
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are you trying to grow out your wang?
Yes...ever since I learned how to use it and that was an extremely longtime ago. Bigger balls would be great too. I'm thinking this will happen in my next life or I'll be a girl and have big tits and ass. ;D
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Yes...ever since I learned how to use it and that was an extremely longtime ago. Bigger balls would be great too. I'm thinking this will happen in my next life or I'll be a girl and have big tits and ass. ;D
The fuck you want bigger balls for?
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The fuck you want bigger balls for?
Why not? I'm a visual person. So are a lot of other folks. Filling out a 'thong' is ego boosting and it gets you noticed. Hey, were all bodybuilders here...right? Isn't bigger always better? ;D
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He is the furthest thing from an expert.
He won Mr. Canada because he rigged his own contest by picking the judges.
You didn't catch the hint of sarcasm in my response to Vince? -Guess it was just too subtle. In my experience, people who act like their an expert usually aren't, including me.
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Why not? I'm a visual person. So are a lot of other folks. Filling out a 'thong' is ego boosting and it gets you noticed. Hey, were all bodybuilders here...right? Isn't bigger always better? ;D
I don’t know,my balls always get in the way and sometimes I sit on them.Bigger would be very annoying I think.
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Excuse me, but you come across as someone who believes they are an expert when it comes to bodybuilding. Broscience has been around forever. Most of us have listened to it and even tried what was suggested. Eventually, we figure out what works for ourselves at any given time.
You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.
After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.
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You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.
After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.
Vince- with all your knowledge and decades of experience, why do you look below average in muscle mass and above average in body fat? Is it because 1) You don’t train anymore 2) Your body doesn’t respond to training or 3) Your theories are wrong?
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Vince- with all your knowledge and decades of experience, why do you look below average in muscle mass and above average in body fat? Is it because 1) You don’t train anymore 2) Your body doesn’t respond to training or 3) Your theories are wrong?
It is likely all 3.
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You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.
After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.
Knowing one's genetic limitations is different from blaming them for something you're not and can never be. I say do the best you can with what you have to work with, accepting that which you cannot change. Otherwise, you are destined to be disappointed in yourself.
No matter how much I wanted, I am never going to be 6'2" tall unless I employ stilts. I did manage to get my weight up to 225 lbs for a minute from a onetime adult low of 140. I did it with my then doctor's recommendation for and provision of weekly testosterone injections and daily D-bol doses plus working out. No doubt, I was carrying around some (too much fat). Today I weighed 170 lbs. and I gladly accept this because I am very likely healthier than I would have been had I continued with the fantasy of looking like my friend who was a big muscular, inspirational dude and workout partner/trainer.
As I see it, broscience is little more than sharing what works for ourselves and may not work for others because everyone responses differently to various stimuli. It is neither good nor is it bad and the intentions of those telling us what works for them is usually honorable.
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Even though the discussion is high reps vs low reps this has all the ear marks of a volume vs HIT debate. One thing for sure. We have a lot of training theories and few facts. I don't discount bro science. Empirical knowledge gained through a life time of training is not to be dismissed. One thing for sure. I rarely take advice from steroid users. If you expertise is so great why do you look like crap off the assist?
My experience with high reps has to do with muscle memory. I have found that in those times in my life where I have gotten out of shape high reps seems to reactivate muscle memory than diving into sets of 4 or 6. A couple of weeks or a month of high reps seems to be the best method of getting my poundage up as a break in period before going to lower reps. Track athletes follow a somewhat similar model. A miler might do 100 mile weeks of distance in the off season but as the season approaches it becomes more intense. Then it's all intervals like 10 x 400 meters or 8 x 800 meters.
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There was just a thread on here couple weeks ago regarding Rory and his 100 rep method.
You really won't know if it (or any other kind of training program) will work if you don't make an honest go at it and stick with it for a couple of months.
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There was just a thread on here couple weeks ago regarding Rory and his 100 rep method.
You really won't know if it (or any other kind of training program) will work if you don't make an honest go at it and stick with it for a couple of months.
Why are people still trying different things? That means they don't know how to keep the muscles growing.
This discussion isn't specific enough to get anything useful from it. The reps are only one part of the hypertrophy process.
The number of reps isn't a sufficient condition for hypertrophy.
Many things work for average to poor results....few work for maximum growth. That is what should be discussed.
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Why are people still trying different things? That means they don't know how to keep the muscles growing.
This discussion isn't specific enough to get anything useful from it. The reps are only one part of the hypertrophy process.
The number of reps isn't a sufficient condition for hypertrophy.
Many things work for average to poor results....few work for maximum growth. That is what should be discussed.
Train with whatever manner that proves productive to you until for whatever reason it no longer is. Then switch to something else that does the trick and stay with that until, you guessed it, it no longer proves productive. Life is a never ending sticking point and what goes around eventually comes back around.
Consistency is key and one can employ H.I.T. with high reps. When I train that way I simply work one set per exercise with a weight that serves not only as a warm up but given enough reps it will become the working set. Maybe two or three exercises done this way (i.e., a single set each) per body part. With the reps going from 20 to 100 and sometimes less.
It's not broscience, it's exercise and unlike being bitter over a needlessly complicated machine and a theory on hypertrophy, it can be productive.
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Train with whatever manner that proves productive to you until for whatever reason it no longer is. Then switch to something else that does the trick and stay with that until, you guessed it, it no longer proves productive. Life is a never ending sticking point and what goes around eventually comes back around.
Consistency is key and one can employ H.I.T. with high reps. When I train that way I simply work one set per exercise with a weight that serves not only as a warm up but given enough reps it will become the working set. Maybe two or three exercises done this way (i.e., a single set each) per body part. With the reps going from 20 to 100 and sometimes less.
It's not broscience, it's exercise and unlike being bitter over a needlessly complicated machine and a theory on hypertrophy, it can be productive.
Broscience personified. Well done.
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Welcome to the Vince Basile family hour
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Vince B is the biggest dolt on this forum.
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do you wanna add size to arms? do feeders everyday and for 3 months and report bacK - Everyday
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do you wanna add size to arms? do feeders everyday and for 3 months and report bacK - Everyday
Never heard the term feeder. What is it
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Never heard the term feeder. What is it
this is super bro science - guess i will chime in on credibility since i have a legit 19-20 inch arm that is shaped well. and i know what works to make arm gains -
rich piana did a video on this . also there is a Bulgarian method - my brother is a competitive Oly lifter and i am the bber. the eastern euro method is very similar.
theory to get as much blood/pump as possible as you can every single day with super high reps
example for arms
10lb dumb bells - so 100 curls, 100 overhead extensions (db skull crushers) 100 hammer curls
then do set two - exact same thing 100, 100, 100
do this everyday - yes everyday before bed for 2-3 months and watch your arm size grow. you will have a pump all the time - which is fucking legit and feels good.
i challenge anyone... who wants to main gains in their arms to do this every day and report back in 3 months, it is unreal
another work out i am a huge believer in - read the book and follow the super sqaut program from the book "super squats" you can find in a Milo or Iron mind booklet. that is the most legit program for making gains.
take what you can squat for 10 reps - now do it for 20 reps. just 1 set for the day - then you do overhead pull overs and leg extensions. you do it 3x a week for many weeks and eat tons of fatty foods. heavy creams, tons of eggs, red meat
again these are all really eastern eruo/russian methods. those styles of training where the first things i ever (the gym culture in chicago where i trained) and who i trained under all followed soviet era programs.
but feeders and super squats are the best not known programs.
FYI they both suck ass and are super hard. super squats is the ideal program for any teen to put on pure awesome mass. fuck everything else - the soviet weight programs were legit - hard core too
so glad i trained that way when i was younger
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Broscience personified. Well done.
No wonder you're alone. You deserve to be.
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this is super bro science - guess i will chime in on credibility since i have a legit 19-20 inch arm that is shaped well. and i know what works to make arm gains -
rich piana did a video on this . also there is a Bulgarian method - my brother is a competitive Oly lifter and i am the bber. the eastern euro method is very similar.
theory to get as much blood/pump as possible as you can every single day with super high reps
example for arms
10lb dumb bells - so 100 curls, 100 overhead extensions (db skull crushers) 100 hammer curls
then do set two - exact same thing 100, 100, 100
do this everyday - yes everyday before bed for 2-3 months and watch your arm size grow. you will have a pump all the time - which is fucking legit and feels good.
i challenge anyone... who wants to main gains in their arms to do this every day and report back in 3 months, it is unreal
another work out i am a huge believer in - read the book and follow the super sqaut program from the book "super squats" you can find in a Milo or Iron mind booklet. that is the most legit program for making gains.
take what you can squat for 10 reps - now do it for 20 reps. just 1 set for the day - then you do overhead pull overs and leg extensions. you do it 3x a week for many weeks and eat tons of fatty foods. heavy creams, tons of eggs, red meat
again these are all really eastern eruo/russian methods. those styles of training where the first things i ever (the gym culture in chicago where i trained) and who i trained under all followed soviet era programs.
but feeders and super squats are the best not known programs.
FYI they both suck ass and are super hard. super squats is the ideal program for any teen to put on pure awesome mass. fuck everything else - the soviet weight programs were legit - hard core too
so glad i trained that way when i was younger
Interesting. Sounds legit. What’s the duration of this? (Weeks, months, etc)?
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J.C. Hise and the 20 rep breathing squat program works. It's been around for decades because it works.
For anything to work you have to work. Some people don't much care for hard work.
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Interesting. Sounds legit. What’s the duration of this? (Weeks, months, etc)?
for feeders for arm size i would go 3 months (every day 7 days a week) the 100, 100, 100 and then repaeat
-super squats i would say around 3 months.
-3 days a week you squat for you can for 10 and do it for 20 reps. one mega set. you will be so tired, gasping, weezing, wanting to die, yelling out loud. then after your set, you will do heavy DB pull overs for 3 sets and some leg extensions. the other days days really meant for rest. again this is all soviet shit/eastern euro style training they used to publish in the Milo books
the soviet weight programs were hard core - they are a different breed esp the wrestlers and lifters. the soviets had the best OLY lifts for years and the Americans copie alot of what they did. now i am not a historian.i am a pretty boy type who happened to fall into that style of training when I was younger.
crazy crazy gains.
super squats is the most grueling work out program ever. those giant sets of 20 reps are so fucking hard you pause at the top and weez.
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J.C. Hise and the 20 rep breathing squat program works. It's been around for decades because it works.
For anything to work you have to work. Some people don't much care for hard work.
that is shit is so hard core. it has been around for years and years but no one wants to do it since it is so hard. my coach at the time (i always have a trainer or a coach) set me up on super squats.
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Nice to read extreme training brostyle. Endless possibilities and endless potential believers out there.
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No wonder you're alone. You deserve to be.
LOL. Pathetic response to a serious problem. Which is.... how to sustain hypertrophy.
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Nice to read extreme training brostyle. Endless possibilities and endless potential believers out there.
Yet, Tres looks 100x better than you.
Interesting.
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Nice to read extreme training brostyle. Endless possibilities and endless potential believers out there.
the eastern euro methods/soviet methods work. i can attest the amazing body I have built - my arms and quads are top tier.
so if they dont for everyone - the have worked for me and really all that matters.
most will never do the 2 programs i mentioned since they are fucking brutal and require serious will power and work ethic
i am not a trainer nor i sell anything fitness related so i have no shoe in this race - i am just giving feedback on the topic at hand i can attest the success i have had
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the eastern euro methods/soviet methods work. i can attest the amazing body I have built - my arms and quads are top tier.
so if they dont for everyone - the have worked for me and really all that matters.
most will never do the 2 programs i mentioned since they are fucking brutal and require serious will power and work ethic
i am not a trainer nor i sell anything fitness related so i have no shoe in this race - i am just giving feedback on the topic at hand i can attest the success i have had
I don't doubt your results or physique. You obviously know more than most here. However, I don't detect a consistent theory of hypertrophy from what you posted.
I agree that brutal workouts are required for really large muscles. This is a necessary but not sufficient condition. You admit that few can or will train this hard and that
partly explains why most don't have huge arms, etc.
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Commercial break must be over....Vince is back on.
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In a Youtube video Tom Platz discussed the rep question re squats. His conclusion was to do more reps. More than 10 and often more than 20 brutal reps.
He leaves out how many sets of those high reps should be done. Well, he discusses this issue in other videos. Sergio Oliva and Arnold knew about repeating good sets over and over and over.
That is the key to hypertrophy. Another necessary condition but not sufficient, either. The accumulation of time under severe tension is the main trigger for hypertrophy.
Why are higher reps advocated by Tom? Interesting question. I also advocate higher reps for training arms. After higher rep warm up sets keep the reps over 15 if possible for triceps and 10 for biceps.
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LOL. Pathetic response to a serious problem. Which is.... how to sustain hypertrophy.
Do your relatives use salt to keep you away? Yours is an IOL and with good reason you decrepit, filthy, ancient barely ambulatory pile of feces. Your existence is predicated on people worshiping your theory of hypertrophy and your piece of sheit curl machine. Fuck your noise.
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In a Youtube video Tom Platz discussed the rep question re squats. His conclusion was to do more reps. More than 10 and often more than 20 brutal reps.
He leaves out how many sets of those high reps should be done. Well, he discusses this issue in other videos. Sergio Oliva and Arnold knew about repeating good sets over and over and over.
That is the key to hypertrophy. Another necessary condition but not sufficient, either. The accumulation of time under severe tension is the main trigger for hypertrophy.
Why are higher reps advocated by Tom? Interesting question. I also advocate higher reps for training arms. After higher rep warm up sets keep the reps over 15 if possible for triceps and 10 for biceps.
Schmoe science. Fuck off kiddo.
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Do your relatives use salt to keep you away? Yours is an IOL and with good reason you decrepit, filthy, ancient barely ambulatory pile of feces. Your existence is predicated on people worshiping your theory of hypertrophy and your piece of sheit curl machine. Fuck your noise.
It is always refreshing to hear an honest opinion from the Flotsam.
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super bro science here but i believe in feeders for arm size and delt size
i would say feeder help .75 to 1inch on my arms.
also i think one needs to mix up bbing training
heavy duty
high reps/lots of negs and static holds
posing more inporant than training at times - even if you dont compete learn to pose - game changer
but...........wanna add some size to your arms? mine around usually around 20s as welll feeders work
What is a "feeder"?
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Why not? I'm a visual person. So are a lot of other folks. Filling out a 'thong' is ego boosting and it gets you noticed. Hey, were all bodybuilders here...right? Isn't bigger always better? ;D
Didn't you say you were 79 years old?
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this is super bro science - guess i will chime in on credibility since i have a legit 19-20 inch arm that is shaped well. and i know what works to make arm gains -
rich piana did a video on this . also there is a Bulgarian method - my brother is a competitive Oly lifter and i am the bber. the eastern euro method is very similar.
theory to get as much blood/pump as possible as you can every single day with super high reps
example for arms
10lb dumb bells - so 100 curls, 100 overhead extensions (db skull crushers) 100 hammer curls
then do set two - exact same thing 100, 100, 100
do this everyday - yes everyday before bed for 2-3 months and watch your arm size grow. you will have a pump all the time - which is fucking legit and feels good.
i challenge anyone... who wants to main gains in their arms to do this every day and report back in 3 months, it is unreal
another work out i am a huge believer in - read the book and follow the super sqaut program from the book "super squats" you can find in a Milo or Iron mind booklet. that is the most legit program for making gains.
take what you can squat for 10 reps - now do it for 20 reps. just 1 set for the day - then you do overhead pull overs and leg extensions. you do it 3x a week for many weeks and eat tons of fatty foods. heavy creams, tons of eggs, red meat
again these are all really eastern eruo/russian methods. those styles of training where the first things i ever (the gym culture in chicago where i trained) and who i trained under all followed soviet era programs.
but feeders and super squats are the best not known programs.
FYI they both suck ass and are super hard. super squats is the ideal program for any teen to put on pure awesome mass. fuck everything else - the soviet weight programs were legit - hard core too
so glad i trained that way when i was younger
If this works on arms then it should work on other bodyparts. Have you tried this on say, delts? Calves? And why do you have to do it before bed? And when you say before bed, do you mean literally? Like right after I brush my teeth and about to jump in the sack I start doing curls?
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In a Youtube video Tom Platz discussed the rep question re squats. His conclusion was to do more reps. More than 10 and often more than 20 brutal reps.
He leaves out how many sets of those high reps should be done. Well, he discusses this issue in other videos. Sergio Oliva and Arnold knew about repeating good sets over and over and over.
That is the key to hypertrophy. Another necessary condition but not sufficient, either. The accumulation of time under severe tension is the main trigger for hypertrophy.
Why are higher reps advocated by Tom? Interesting question. I also advocate higher reps for training arms. After higher rep warm up sets keep the reps over 15 if possible for triceps and 10 for biceps.
I always wondered why high reps were advocated for quad training (not hamstrings). Even Mentzer advocated higher reps on quads. What is the reasoning behind this and why wouldn't the same apply to the upper body?
If anything, it seems it should be the opposite. One of the limiting factors in doing compound leg movements (squats/leg press) is cardiovascular failure. You lose your breath before muscle failure. For example, you can do a single bicep curl until you can't budge the weight another fraction of an inch for 20 reps and then even do some forced reps and a couple of drop sets and your bis will be fried but systemically you be fine. You may be breathing a bit harder but no more than walking up a couple of flights of stairs. You do one 20 rep set of squats to failure you fall to the floor -- forget the forced reps, rest pause, drop sets. So with high reps compound leg movements most fail due to getting so winded that they can't tax their actual muscle enough.
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What is a "feeder"?
In the BBW community a feeder is a guy who feeds a fat woman to make her even fatter. They get excited by the idea of the woman expanding. Women who are willing to get larger are called feedees.
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In the BBW community a feeder is a guy who feeds a fat woman to make her even fatter. They get excited by the idea of the woman expanding. Women who are willing to get larger are called feedees.
So I guess in today’s world you’d identify as a “feedee”?
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So I guess in today’s world you’d identify as a “feedee”?
Shortassed remark for sure.
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This was called "muscle spinning" in the very old days.
Nothing new.
Those gains you made in size will disappear like a flash if you stop pumping them. It is all muscle goo.
typical GetBig IQ range brilliantly represented in this post.
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I always wondered why high reps were advocated for quad training (not hamstrings). Even Mentzer advocated higher reps on quads. What is the reasoning behind this and why wouldn't the same apply to the upper body?
If anything, it seems it should be the opposite. One of the limiting factors in doing compound leg movements (squats/leg press) is cardiovascular failure. You lose your breath before muscle failure. For example, you can do a single bicep curl until you can't budge the weight another fraction of an inch for 20 reps and then even do some forced reps and a couple of drop sets and your bis will be fried but systemically you be fine. You may be breathing a bit harder but no more than walking up a couple of flights of stairs. You do one 20 rep set of squats to failure you fall to the floor -- forget the forced reps, rest pause, drop sets. So with high reps compound leg movements most fail due to getting so winded that they can't tax their actual muscle enough.
I believe it has to do with the muscle fiber type composition of the quads. From my understanding they have a high percentage of type IIa, or intermediate muscle fiber types, which respond better to submaximal loads, higher reps.
The cardio distress is a result of the buffering system speeding up your heart rate and breathing in order to regulate the ph levels in the muscle. Heavy squats seem to produce more muscular acidity than any other exercise.
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He is the furthest thing from an expert.
He won Mr. Canada because he rigged his own contest by picking the judges.
+ WADA didn't exist 50 years ago ;)
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If this works on arms then it should work on other bodyparts. Have you tried this on say, delts? Calves? And why do you have to do it before bed? And when you say before bed, do you mean literally? Like right after I brush my teeth and about to jump in the sack I start doing curls?
Works great for calves. You can probably find some Rich Piana feeder workouts on Youtube. He was the first one I ever heard this from as well.
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You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.
After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.
So you believe it isn't genetics or drugs? So anyone can build 18 + inch arms regardless of genetics? Steroids are unnecessary to achieve the best gains?
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the eastern euro methods/soviet methods work. i can attest the amazing body I have built - my arms and quads are top tier.
so if they dont for everyone - the have worked for me and really all that matters.
most will never do the 2 programs i mentioned since they are fucking brutal and require serious will power and work ethic
i am not a trainer nor i sell anything fitness related so i have no shoe in this race - i am just giving feedback on the topic at hand i can attest the success i have had
Are you natural or enhanced specifically when doing these feeders.
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Super high reps can aggravate your joints just like super heavy low rep sets.
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Why are people still trying different things? That means they don't know how to keep the muscles growing.
This discussion isn't specific enough to get anything useful from it. The reps are only one part of the hypertrophy process.
The number of reps isn't a sufficient condition for hypertrophy.
Many things work for average to poor results....few work for maximum growth. That is what should be discussed.
If you knew the exact method of the "few" that work in order to triggered hypertrophy in everyone with scientific evidence to back it up, you would have shared it and thus became famous. Or at least looked like you practiced what you preached.
If you knew the exact steps necessary in a 1. 2. 3. 4. format that people should follow to remain in constant hypertrophy, you would have tons of people beating your door down wanting you to coach them. I don't see that happening either.
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this is super bro science - guess i will chime in on credibility since i have a legit 19-20 inch arm that is shaped well. and i know what works to make arm gains -
rich piana did a video on this . also there is a Bulgarian method - my brother is a competitive Oly lifter and i am the bber. the eastern euro method is very similar.
theory to get as much blood/pump as possible as you can every single day with super high reps
example for arms
10lb dumb bells - so 100 curls, 100 overhead extensions (db skull crushers) 100 hammer curls
then do set two - exact same thing 100, 100, 100
do this everyday - yes everyday before bed for 2-3 months and watch your arm size grow. you will have a pump all the time - which is fucking legit and feels good.
i challenge anyone... who wants to main gains in their arms to do this every day and report back in 3 months, it is unreal
another work out i am a huge believer in - read the book and follow the super sqaut program from the book "super squats" you can find in a Milo or Iron mind booklet. that is the most legit program for making gains.
take what you can squat for 10 reps - now do it for 20 reps. just 1 set for the day - then you do overhead pull overs and leg extensions. you do it 3x a week for many weeks and eat tons of fatty foods. heavy creams, tons of eggs, red meat
again these are all really eastern eruo/russian methods. those styles of training where the first things i ever (the gym culture in chicago where i trained) and who i trained under all followed soviet era programs.
but feeders and super squats are the best not known programs.
FYI they both suck ass and are super hard. super squats is the ideal program for any teen to put on pure awesome mass. fuck everything else - the soviet weight programs were legit - hard core too
so glad i trained that way when i was younger
This part is confusing. If you can only do it for 10 reps, it should be impossible to for 20 unless you were quitting early. Even with maximum effort, if you are only able to get 10 reps, there is no way you can double that.
Unless you mean doing additional sets. Sort of like Curly Top used to promote that wacky "Topamania" training method. Where you do as many reps as you can with a certain weight and then increase the weight and do even more reps, then increase it again and do even more reps. Which technically is impossible. If you can only do 8 reps with 225, there is no way you are going to do 10 reps with 275 and 12 reps with 315.
Which is why Curly Top never told you that it might take 5 sets of reps like 3-3-3-3-2 to make it 15 reps with that 315.
Unless you are meaning something different.
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This part is confusing. If you can only do it for 10 reps, it should be impossible to for 20 unless you were quitting early. Even with maximum effort, if you are only able to get 10 reps, there is no way you can double that.
Unless you mean doing additional sets. Sort of like Curly Top used to promote that wacky "Topamania" training method. Where you do as many reps as you can with a certain weight and then increase the weight and do even more reps, then increase it again and do even more reps. Which technically is impossible. If you can only do 8 reps with 225, there is no way you are going to do 10 reps with 275 and 12 reps with 315.
Which is why Curly Top never told you that it might take 5 sets of reps like 3-3-3-3-2 to make it 15 reps with that 315.
Unless you are meaning something different.
I know I have to rest pause to get very high reps cause I don’t use light weight.
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This part is confusing. If you can only do it for 10 reps, it should be impossible to for 20 unless you were quitting early. Even with maximum effort, if you are only able to get 10 reps, there is no way you can double that.
Unless you mean doing additional sets. Sort of like Curly Top used to promote that wacky "Topamania" training method. Where you do as many reps as you can with a certain weight and then increase the weight and do even more reps, then increase it again and do even more reps. Which technically is impossible. If you can only do 8 reps with 225, there is no way you are going to do 10 reps with 275 and 12 reps with 315.
Which is why Curly Top never told you that it might take 5 sets of reps like 3-3-3-3-2 to make it 15 reps with that 315.
Unless you are meaning something different.
Maybe it means you do 10 reps with your maximum weight that you can do 10 clean reps non-stop. Then you grind out 10 more however you can.
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So you believe it isn't genetics or drugs? So anyone can build 18 + inch arms regardless of genetics? Steroids are unnecessary to achieve the best gains?
Vince has been peddling his unlimited hypertrophy bullshit since time immemorial, but if you look at some of the greatest bodybuilders of all time they reached their mass peak very early in life and the ones who didn’t made their gains via upping the dosage. So, in Vince’s world, no one knows what they’re doing except him.
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I don't doubt your results or physique. You obviously know more than most here. However, I don't detect a consistent theory of hypertrophy from what you posted.
I agree that brutal workouts are required for really large muscles. This is a necessary but not sufficient condition. You admit that few can or will train this hard and that
partly explains why most don't have huge arms, etc.
Wow I never realized what little sense you make when you post. Coach and tres trenbolone run circles around you in the knowledge dept
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Super high reps can aggravate your joints just like super heavy low rep sets.
That is the big disadvantage to using them. If you are young and on gear they work great though. For the rest of us, use sparingly.
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this is super bro science - guess i will chime in on credibility since i have a legit 19-20 inch arm that is shaped well. and i know what works to make arm gains -
rich piana did a video on this . also there is a Bulgarian method - my brother is a competitive Oly lifter and i am the bber. the eastern euro method is very similar.
theory to get as much blood/pump as possible as you can every single day with super high reps
example for arms
10lb dumb bells - so 100 curls, 100 overhead extensions (db skull crushers) 100 hammer curls
then do set two - exact same thing 100, 100, 100
do this everyday - yes everyday before bed for 2-3 months and watch your arm size grow. you will have a pump all the time - which is fucking legit and feels good.
i challenge anyone... who wants to main gains in their arms to do this every day and report back in 3 months, it is unreal
another work out i am a huge believer in - read the book and follow the super sqaut program from the book "super squats" you can find in a Milo or Iron mind booklet. that is the most legit program for making gains.
take what you can squat for 10 reps - now do it for 20 reps. just 1 set for the day - then you do overhead pull overs and leg extensions. you do it 3x a week for many weeks and eat tons of fatty foods. heavy creams, tons of eggs, red meat
again these are all really eastern eruo/russian methods. those styles of training where the first things i ever (the gym culture in chicago where i trained) and who i trained under all followed soviet era programs.
but feeders and super squats are the best not known programs.
FYI they both suck ass and are super hard. super squats is the ideal program for any teen to put on pure awesome mass. fuck everything else - the soviet weight programs were legit - hard core too
so glad i trained that way when i was younger
What sort of gains measurement wise mate I know everyone different just rough idea before deciding to try this?
Does it interfere with workout the following day eg doing a couple hundred reps for tris then training chest the next day?
Thanks
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this is super bro science - guess i will chime in on credibility since i have a legit 19-20 inch arm that is shaped well. and i know what works to make arm gains -
rich piana did a video on this . also there is a Bulgarian method - my brother is a competitive Oly lifter and i am the bber. the eastern euro method is very similar.
theory to get as much blood/pump as possible as you can every single day with super high reps
example for arms
10lb dumb bells - so 100 curls, 100 overhead extensions (db skull crushers) 100 hammer curls
then do set two - exact same thing 100, 100, 100
do this everyday - yes everyday before bed for 2-3 months and watch your arm size grow. you will have a pump all the time - which is fucking legit and feels good.
i challenge anyone... who wants to main gains in their arms to do this every day and report back in 3 months, it is unreal
another work out i am a huge believer in - read the book and follow the super sqaut program from the book "super squats" you can find in a Milo or Iron mind booklet. that is the most legit program for making gains.
take what you can squat for 10 reps - now do it for 20 reps. just 1 set for the day - then you do overhead pull overs and leg extensions. you do it 3x a week for many weeks and eat tons of fatty foods. heavy creams, tons of eggs, red meat
again these are all really eastern eruo/russian methods. those styles of training where the first things i ever (the gym culture in chicago where i trained) and who i trained under all followed soviet era programs.
but feeders and super squats are the best not known programs.
FYI they both suck ass and are super hard. super squats is the ideal program for any teen to put on pure awesome mass. fuck everything else - the soviet weight programs were legit - hard core too
so glad i trained that way when i was younger
I've noticed folks doing this at the gym and in pump room videos. These people often have impressive physiques. It's easy to conclude that this style of exercising is beneficial for some people. Even my old muscles get a pretty good pump when I do high reps.
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If this works on arms then it should work on other bodyparts. Have you tried this on say, delts? Calves? And why do you have to do it before bed? And when you say before bed, do you mean literally? Like right after I brush my teeth and about to jump in the sack I start doing curls?
yes - not bullshitting
i have 5lb 10lb 15lb dbs
works on delts and arms the best -
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Works great for calves. You can probably find some Rich Piana feeder workouts on Youtube. He was the first one I ever heard this from as well.
yes rich brought to the main stream again - there is a Bulgarian method similar to it. which is how i learned about 15 years ago
they are basically the same thing
again do 100, 100, 100 reps 2x times every day for 3 months and report back!
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If you knew the exact method of the "few" that work in order to triggered hypertrophy in everyone with scientific evidence to back it up, you would have shared it and thus became famous. Or at least looked like you practiced what you preached.
If you knew the exact steps necessary in a 1. 2. 3. 4. format that people should follow to remain in constant hypertrophy, you would have tons of people beating your door down wanting you to coach them. I don't see that happening either.
Lol. You underestimate how strong broscience is for most bodybuilders. They will take their false beliefs to their graves.
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Anyone use anything like 5 sets of 12 with a short rest between sets? That's 60 reps. It similar to what Danny Padilla used. Doing something like 5 sets of 12 in the bench then doing the same for inclines and flies really limits the weight you can use unless you're super man. Dickerson in his prime years used something like 6 sets of 10 using a short rest between sets so it limited the weight used. I tried training like that but wow for me it was embarrassing how much I had to lighten the weight used. Then again it's making a light weight heavy.
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@vince basille
please enlighten us meatheads about the correct way to attain hypertrophy.
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J.C. Hise and the 20 rep breathing squat program works. It's been around for decades because it works.
For anything to work you have to work. Some people don't much care for hard work.
::)
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yes rich brought to the main stream again - there is a Bulgarian method similar to it. which is how i learned about 15 years ago
they are basically the same thing
again do 100, 100, 100 reps 2x times every day for 3 months and report back!
But are you enhanced when doing this?
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Lol. You underestimate how strong broscience is for most bodybuilders. They will take their false beliefs to their graves.
Almost all of bodybuilding is bro science as there are very few scientific studies done on bodybuilders that aren't flawed studies or focused only on the elderly.
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So I guess in today’s world you’d identify as a “feedee”?
Just don't ask him to name his current gym ;D ;D ;D
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I always see basille shitposting from his high horse but he never lays out what his superior hypertrophy theory is.
He's probably been doing this same routine for a couple of decades now.
Imagine how annoying he is in real life lol.
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Maybe it means you do 10 reps with your maximum weight that you can do 10 clean reps non-stop. Then you grind out 10 more however you can.
Say, you can do 10 reps with 205lbs but you grind out 20 reps. If you can do 20 reps with 205 lbs you should be able to do 10 reps at 255lbs which means you should have been doing 20 reps with 255 lbs. But if you can do 255 lbs for 20 reps you should...
Just call it 20 rep squats for as much weight as you can handle for 20 reps. I never got this "start with a weight you can do for 10 reps" balony. Then why not start at 95 lbs?
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@vince basille
please enlighten us meatheads about the correct way to attain hypertrophy.
As Arthur Jones saw it is quite a pointless enterprise to attempt to enlighten meatheads! They literally are incapable of comprehending complex ideas.
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With this physique, how can one not be an expert on hypertrophy
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=146902.0;attach=163489;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395976.0;attach=440887;image)
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With this physique, how can one not be an expert on hypertrophy
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For my age what you see is a fine figure of a mature man. Solid physique there.
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I'm amused by a lot of the responses in this thread. Good fun. As usual Vince B is pissing everyone off as he looks down upon us little people from high atop douche mountain.
However, even though he currently looks like Barney Frank we should all remember that he did actually look good at one time so he is deserving of some respect.
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As Arthur Jones saw it is quite a pointless enterprise to attempt to enlighten meatheads! They literally are incapable of comprehending complex ideas.
If stupid were fast food, you'd have an "M" shaped arch over your fat fucking head. There's a reason your theories have never been espoused by anyone of merit, much less scientifically proven.
They are your theories.
Hurts, does it not, to have your incompetence (and in your case, probably incontinence as well) exposed? I guess that your vocabulary is as limited as your experience with women. You are not only stupid but rudely so. Hell hath no fury like a fat, furry fucktard of a lifelong wallflower. You look like what one would imagine a retarded Hobbit would. I'm surprised your mother didn't accidently eat you along with the afterbirth.
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Hahahhh been watching the office all fucking day that episode was one of them.
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If stupid were fast food, you'd have an "M" shaped arch over your fat fucking head. There's a reason your theories have never been espoused by anyone of merit, much less scientifically proven.
They are your theories.
Hurts, does it not, to have your incompetence (and in your case, probably incontinence as well) exposed? I guess that your vocabulary is as limited as your experience with women. You are not only stupid but rudely so. Hell hath no fury like a fat, furry fucktard of a lifelong wallflower. You look like what one would imagine a retarded Hobbit would. I'm surprised your mother didn't accidently eat you along with the afterbirth.
It remains a mystery how someone so stupid can actually piss you off!
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Hahahhh been watching the office all fucking day that episode was one of them.
The producers should permanently replace Vince into that scene.
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I'm amused by a lot of the responses in this thread. Good fun. As usual Vince B is pissing everyone off as he looks down upon us little people from high atop douche mountain.
However, even though he currently looks like Barney Frank we should all remember that he did actually look good at one time so he is deserving of some respect.
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built by a handful 5mg of ziegler dbol a day.
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Vince Basile invented hypertrophy.
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It remains a mystery how someone so stupid can actually piss you off!
Don't be such a child. I am far from being pissed off. Sheesh. What a maroon...Look Chumley, you're upset with the world for not rewarding you multiple doorstops and accolades for your accomplishments - real, imagined or trapped in the Matrix of your mind.
Here is a typical reply when the world is against you: "Flotsam". You gasp out your ego here with such alarming frequency that one begins to think you're nothing more than a barely sentient shut-in with time on your hands and no toilet paper to wipe that ass of a mind you were cursed with.
"Flotsam".
Sometimes you make sense but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
"Flotsam". "Hypertrophy".
Vince, STFU and maybe people will try to listen to you.
"Flotsam". "Hypertrophy". "Broscience".
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What sort of gains measurement wise mate I know everyone different just rough idea before deciding to try this?
Does it interfere with workout the following day eg doing a couple hundred reps for tris then training chest the next day?
Thanks
do them 7 days a week every day- regardless of body part trained that day
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Vince, STFU and maybe people will try to listen to you.
LOL.
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This part is confusing. If you can only do it for 10 reps, it should be impossible to for 20 unless you were quitting early. Even with maximum effort, if you are only able to get 10 reps, there is no way you can double that.
IIRC, it meant you do the 10, keep the weight on your back, take 3 heavy breaths, then do another. The more additional reps you take, the more breaths you take in between.
1 brutal set. I thought it was an Ellington Daren (sp) thing, but could be mistaken.
I tried it years ago....it is f'n brutal.
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Say, you can do 10 reps with 205lbs but you grind out 20 reps. If you can do 20 reps with 205 lbs you should be able to do 10 reps at 255lbs which means you should have been doing 20 reps with 255 lbs. But if you can do 255 lbs for 20 reps you should...
Just call it 20 rep squats for as much weight as you can handle for 20 reps. I never got this "start with a weight you can do for 10 reps" balony. Then why not start at 95 lbs?
Exactly what I was getting at.
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IIRC, it meant you do the 10, keep the weight on your back, take 3 heavy breaths, then do another. The more additional reps you take, the more breaths you take in between.
1 brutal set. I thought it was an Ellington Daren (sp) thing, but could be mistaken.
I tried it years ago....it is f'n brutal.
So it's essentially 10 reps to failure then 10 rest pause reps. Now that makes sense and does sound brutal. Corney in PI did 7 reps at once and then 4 reps rest paused reps and fell to the floor. The thought of doing 10 continual reps to the limit and then bang out 10 more reps rest pause style is cringe-worthy. If someone truly does a set like that I can't see how they could do another set unless it's just half-ass going through the motions. I wonder if after the first time doing that if one can even continue on with the rest of their workout. After Jones put Oliva through his leg press, leg extension, squat giant set quad routin he collapsed on the floor and couldn't continue on with the rest of the workout.
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As Arthur Jones saw it is quite a pointless enterprise to attempt to enlighten meatheads! They literally are incapable of comprehending complex ideas.
Arthur Jones was a genius marketer but not with training. His system just burns people out and chases them away from training. Weight training is as much psychological as it is physiological.
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Interesting interview with Rich Piana that seems relevant to this thread. Coincidentally, this is pretty much exactly how I train Deltoids.
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I miss Rich. His daily Youtube videos were gold!
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With this physique, how can one not be an expert on hypertrophy
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"They've never seen a bellie like yours...It's like you sayin', BOOM! Take a look at this hunka spam!"
it's scientifically termed as safety fat you meathead. the flotsam on getbig are too blinded by bro science to understand a true genius and bodybuilding theorist like vince basille (mr canada 1970, inventor of the bicep supinator machine).
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Arthur Jones was a genius marketer but not with training. His system just burns people out and chases them away from training. Weight training is as much psychological as it is physiological.
People make mistake with dieting, too. For it to work, it has to be sustainable. What good are these “brutal” workouts if you burn out in short order?
Lee Haney is absolutely correct, “Stimulate. Don’t annihilate.”
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I miss Rich. His daily Youtube videos were gold!
#metoo
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IIRC, it meant you do the 10, keep the weight on your back, take 3 heavy breaths, then do another. The more additional reps you take, the more breaths you take in between.
1 brutal set. I thought it was an Ellington Daren (sp) thing, but could be mistaken.
I tried it years ago....it is f'n brutal.
that is pretty much it. it has been many years since i did the program. again i got the program form the IronMind/Milo booklets which mirror soviet programs/eastern euro ideals
what you can squat for 10 reps? ok do it for 20 reps now - alter your breathing too - big deep 3 breathes between sets
then the kicker is super heavy pull overs right after squats (you can see how this will connect them all) i added in hamstring curls and leg extensions at the end
you do this 3x a week - M - W - F - you need the days off - your chest and arms will be fine... do not train them its the same shit 3x a week for 3 months
the booklet mentioned to eat lots of heavy high fat items to assist in the growth (heavy cream, whole eggs, red meat) lots of them.
it was more brutal than wrestling practice which is a whole bunch of sucks ass haha
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that is pretty much it. it has been many years since i did the program. again i got the program form the IronMind/Milo booklets which mirror soviet programs/eastern euro ideals
what you can squat for 10 reps? ok do it for 20 reps now - alter your breathing too - big deep 3 breathes between sets
then the kicker is super heavy pull overs right after squats (you can see how this will connect them all) i added in hamstring curls and leg extensions at the end
you do this 3x a week - M - W - F - you need the days off - your chest and arms will be fine... do not train them its the same shit 3x a week for 3 months
the booklet mentioned to eat lots of heavy high fat items to assist in the growth (heavy cream, whole eggs, red meat) lots of them.
it was more brutal than wrestling practice which is a whole bunch of sucks ass haha
Super Squats is an easy and fun read and this system is covered from A-Z.
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it's scientifically termed as safety fat you meathead. the flotsam on getbig are too blinded by bro science to understand a true genius and bodybuilding theorist like vince basille (mr canada 1970, inventor of the bicep supinator machine).
Guess why nobody wanted to buy ( :'( :'( :'() his invention at the gym auction in 2017 ;D ;D ;D
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Super Squats is an easy and fun read and this system is covered from A-Z.
yep that is the name of the book. - i was going by memory on the program.
it is a real hard core program - to maximize it - get a ride or die training partner to assist with the spotting and pushing each other with calories as well
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For my age what you see is a fine figure of a mature man. Solid physique there.
Your self-confidence is amazing. This is not the physique I strive to have. But, to each his own.
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Your self-confidence is amazing. This is not the physique I strive to have. But, to each his own.
By amazing you mean delusional right?
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yep that is the name of the book. - i was going by memory on the program.
it is a real hard core program - to maximize it - get a ride or die training partner to assist with the spotting and pushing each other with calories as well
I've had the book for probably 20 years. Good system and great stories as well. Really good system especially for a natty. You could also use the same idea with deadlifts and curls to make great gains with rest pause.
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For my age what you see is a fine figure of a mature man. Solid physique there.
No.
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For my age what you see is a fine figure of a mature man. Solid physique there.
Sadly you are deluding yourself it’s not a physique - it’s a overly fat body.
You did have a physique in years gone by.
Maybe if you did lose a good few pounds of fat it may reveal a decent physique.
Still if your happy carrying & looking the way you do good for you.
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For my age what you see is a fine figure of a mature man. Solid physique there.
Well then. That settles it...
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Sadly you are deluding yourself it’s not a physique - it’s a overly fat body.
You did have a physique in years gone by.
Maybe if you did lose a good few pounds of fat it may reveal a decent physique.
Still if your happy carrying & looking the way you do good for you.
You guys fail to see that I have a good sense of humour. ::)
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You guys fail to see that I have a good sense of humour. ::)
Okay - Fair Enough Vince.
Good that you can laugh at yourself.
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You guys fail to see that I have a good sense of humour. ::)
BUSTED!!! I knew it! You've been trolling getbig for years!
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Senility is taking over 78 yo "inventor/philosopher & successful businessmen" ::)
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Well then. That settles it...
;DTHE GAYTRIX HAS YOU ;D
Hahahhha been laughing since last night at that one.
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Has anyone tried these feeders without proper training? I have a nasty abdominal hernia that makes me afraid of lifting abutting over 45ish. However, I could still do these hundred repper things. Worrhwhile, or just a pump show?
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Has anyone tried these feeders without proper training? I have a nasty abdominal hernia that makes me afraid of lifting abutting over 45ish. However, I could still do these hundred repper things. Worrhwhile, or just a pump show?
You can't get it repaired?
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the only high reps are the ones you take from the bong not that other shit you talking about you feel me
peace
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By amazing you mean delusional right?
Give yourself an A+. ;D
I was in a sarcastic mood which is why I used the word amazing.
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You guys fail to see that I have a good sense of humour. ::)
Sorry....we all must be dense. I never thought of you as being self-deprecating for the sake of making a joke. Obviously, I was wrong....again. You look so serious! Could'a fooled me.
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You can't get it repaired?
I'd love to, my man, but I've no health insurance; and as I am not affluent enough to pay full-price for elective surgery, I'm screwed :/
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You're not on Obamacare Medicaid?
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You're not on Obamacare Medicaid?
No, sir. But I do thank you kindly for your consideration, no sarcasm intended.
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I'd love to, my man, but I've no health insurance; and as I am not affluent enough to pay full-price for elective surgery, I'm screwed :/
Which type of hernia do you have and what sage is it in? Some are more serious than others. An incarcerated or strangulated hernia of any kind requires urgent surgical repair.
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I'd love to, my man, but I've no health insurance; and as I am not affluent enough to pay full-price for elective surgery, I'm screwed :/
A hernia is not something you can ignore- cost or not. I had an inguinal hernia- tried to hold off on surgery- until the abdominal wall started opening even more. Scary how painful it gets, very fast.