Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tres_taco_combo on March 22, 2019, 05:41:37 PM
-
mind blown - best podcast on TRT
summary - 100-300mg a week of trt you do not need to use an AI, everyone is obsessed with AI due to gyno... and gyno is more genetic than anything else.
also AI are extremely hard on brain and much more.
he says trt shops give way to much Adex which will be a silent killer
also he says most TRT shops give trt to clients who are fat... being fat and gear do not mix.
jay campbell has an interesting take on TRT cream and rub it on your nuts for absorption?
-
mind blown - best podcast on TRT
summary - 100-300mg a week of trt you do not need to use an AI, everyone is obsessed with AI due to gyno... and gyno is more genetic than anything else.
also AI are extremely hard on brain and much more.
he says trt shops give way to much Adex which will be a silent killer
also he says most TRT shops give trt to clients who are fat... being fat and gear do not mix.
-
Thank you!!! I'll have to check this out.
Been on TRT through an anti aging doc since I turned 40. At one pn I was using 400mg via a compound cream per day. Lab results were radioactive at those levels (free T was 73ng/dl and ttl was 1550ng/dl)
Been doing half that for a couple of years...feel and look better and T levels are more reasonable (free is20.5 ng/dl and ttl is 650ish)
-
Thank you!!! I'll have to check this out.
Been on TRT through an anti aging doc since I turned 40. At one pn I was using 400mg via a compound cream per day. Lab results were radioactive at those levels (free T was 73ng/dl and ttl was 1550ng/dl)
Been doing half that for a couple of years...feel and look better and T levels are more reasonable (free is20.5 ng/dl and ttl is 650ish)
glad you are feeling like a million bucks - :)
I am not on TRT but i love the subject since some time i will be on it. by far the best podcast about TRT.
from what pp say 150-200mg of test (cream or injects) per week ideal for trt - do not do AI
also per the details you want to increase your injections to every other day etc -
my personal 2 cents.... we will see alot of issues with fatter older guys getting on TRT and they will have heart issues (regardless) or issues due to AI and the testosterone will be to blame.
-
-
mind blown - best podcast on TRT
summary - 100-300mg a week of trt you do not need to use an AI, everyone is obsessed with AI due to gyno... and gyno is more genetic than anything else.
also AI are extremely hard on brain and much more.
he says trt shops give way to much Adex which will be a silent killer
also he says most TRT shops give trt to clients who are fat... being fat and gear do not mix.
jay campbell has an interesting take on TRT cream and rub it on your nuts for absorption?
Thanks for posting Tres! Bookmarked this thread to watch later on! 8)
-
Really Interesting Interview, and Kudos to You & Palumbo for giving This guy his time...lots of interesting subjects to research indeed, but for those who want to read his manual, I've uploaded it PDF for your reading pleasure and come to your own conclusions....
https://docdro.id/AeSMjLK (https://docdro.id/AeSMjLK)
-
Really Interesting Interview, and Kudos to You & Palumbo for giving This guy his time...lots of interesting subjects to research indeed, but for those who want to read his manual, I've uploaded it PDF for your reading pleasure and come to your own conclusions....
https://docdro.id/AeSMjLK (https://docdro.id/AeSMjLK)
Right on. Thanks to you and 3 Tacos for posting up.
-
jay campbell has an interesting take on TRT cream and rub it on your nuts for absorption?
Watched the vid a couple of days ago, very interesting. Would much rather rub cream on my yambag than inject every other day.
-
i dont have a clue to most of what theyre talking about, yet, i found it entertaining to watch :D
-
I rub DHEA lotion on my nuts and asscrack area daily
-
Great video, some serious truth bombs in there I didn't know. I have to use an AI but I like my estradiol a little higher about like what he said around 80. Without an AI on 500mg test, my estradiol shoots up to like 200 and I look like I have a massive moonface and get horrible edema and my blood pressure shoots up to around 200/120. I personally need some AI in my regime, but I don't like to overuse it
-
Have been “on” for 23 years. Cruising and blasting. Have never used an AI. Zero gyno (no hair loss either.) Bloods are solid during cruises. Only issue has been HBP, which predates gear usage & is managed pharmaceutically very easily.
-
Great video, some serious truth bombs in there I didn't know
I hate gyno so ive used letro at a higher dose to kill my gyno 2x.
i had a little gyno as a teen, never big deal but over the years it came back in summer 2017, so i ran letro 2.5mg daily for 30 days then 1.25mg for 10 days and the gyno went away...
now when i mean went away... not visible...
most ppl who take trt are fat and use way too much ADEX! the clinicians just wrong the wrong RXs for overweight ppl and use way too much ADEX!
the over usage of AI will be a serious health issue
-
Campbell has gotten on this "bandwagon" recently. Nelson Vergel has been purporting this for years upon years. I don't get any estrogenic side effects except for bloat. Not even sure if it is estrogen causing the bloat however as I put on water weight with all aas. Vergel points to sodium retention as being potentially the main reason for bloat.
I haven't had time to watch the video yet but Campbell likes the cream or test prop for trt purposes the most. The cream being the more recently promoted of the two. Interesting podcasts he does.
-
Anti es kills HDL, resulting in hardening of the arteries prematurely is one theory out there.
My TRT doc will not prescribe.
-
I rub DHEA lotion on my nuts and asscrack area daily
Seems kinda weird.
-
Anti es kills HDL, resulting in hardening of the arteries prematurely is one theory out there.
My TRT doc will not prescribe.
smart
-
Anti es kills HDL, resulting in hardening of the arteries prematurely is one theory out there.
My TRT doc will not prescribe.
Clinical trials so far have not proved this to be true.
-
I get the testopel pellets every 3.5 months. keeps me at 1000. Couldn't be happier
-
I get the testopel pellets every 3.5 months. keeps me at 1000. Couldn't be happier
When you go at the 3.5 month mark for a new batch does it initially put you higher? Talk to me like I'm a child so I can understand. I also remember you said you had a bad experience once with the pellets. Was it just a fluke? Or was it the person who administered. I take 80mg's per week. 100mg's had me up to 1200 so I figured I could stand to go a little lower.
-
Anti es kills HDL, resulting in hardening of the arteries prematurely is one theory out there.
My TRT doc will not prescribe.
I dropped my anastrozole from .125mg twice a week to not taking it at all. My HDL increased by 15-20 points and LDL decreased by 10. No diet change or weight change.
-
What's AI mean?
-
Only retired BB's use TRT doses and even most retired guys go way above trt doses. HIGH DOSES OF ANDROGEN'S REQUIRE AN ANTI E.
-
Only retired BB's use TRT doses and even most retired guys go way above trt doses. HIGH DOSES OF ANDROGEN'S REQUIRE AN ANTI E.
Self dosing is never a good idea. A doctor prescribed dose and regular lab work is essential to assure good health.
-
Self dosing is never a good idea. A doctor prescribed dose and regular lab work is essential to assure good health.
Doctor, LOL, most doctors are more concerned about their Lambo's more so than patients. Who says that those who self dose don't get regular lab work and know how to make adjustments according to that lab work. Keep relying on Doctors and see where that gets you, Prime.
-
I dropped my anastrozole from .125mg twice a week to not taking it at all. My HDL increased by 15-20 points and LDL decreased by 10. No diet change or weight change.
Both with estrogen in range?
-
Both with estrogen in range?
It was from my PCP labs and he doesn’t test for E2. I don’t have any estrogen related symptoms which is more important to me than a number on a piece of paper. Under the old protocol, my TRT labs had my E2 sensitive at 11 (low) and my joints got achy combined with lowered overall energy. My SHBG is on the high side which binds to testosterone and estrogen, so my free estrogen number must’ve been very low.
-
It was from my PCP labs and he doesn’t test for E2. I don’t have any estrogen related symptoms which is more important to me than a number on a piece of paper. Under the old protocol, my TRT labs had my E2 sensitive at 11 (low) and my joints got achy combined with lowered overall energy. My SHBG is on the high side which binds to testosterone and estrogen, so my free estrogen number must’ve been very low.
Gotcha, was trying to clarify whether you were implying that it was the ai itself that caused the bad cholesterol reading, but looks to have been estrogen being too low.
-
100mgs is an effective low dosage TRT, higher dosages again usually above 200mgs will start to impact HDL negatively. In my opinion above 150mgs is not TRT, your kidding yourself.
-
Doctor, LOL, most doctors are more concerned about their Lambo's more so than patients. Who says that those who self dose don't get regular lab work and know how to make adjustments according to that lab work. Keep relying on Doctors and see where that gets you, Prime.
I'm a healthy 74 year old with no liver, kidney or heart issues. I'd say my various doctors over the years have gotten me pretty darn far. My current urologist who prescribes testosterone, considers my feed back when recommending the dosage. There was one time that I did a course of D-bol on my own. Even then, I followed a previous doctor's dosage, because I knew it worked.
-
100mgs is an effective low dosage TRT, higher dosages again usually above 200mgs will start to impact HDL negatively. In my opinion above 150mgs is not TRT, your kidding yourself.
Are you saying 150mgs is entering the world of actually being a cycle?
150mgs/wk isn't that much.
-
Are you saying 150mgs is entering the world of actually being a cycle?
150mgs/wk isn't that much.
If whatever dosage you take helps you maintain reasonable test levels, it is good with regards to TRT.
-
Are you saying 150mgs is entering the world of actually being a cycle?
150mgs/wk isn't that much.
I wouldn't call it a cycle type dose but i wouldn't call it TRT either, 150mg would represent I believe the highest dose any TRT doc would prescribe for TRT, certainly 200mgs and over is not TRT. 20 years ago I cycled regularly as part of my bodybuilding endeavour, I still have people from that era in the gym with me thinking they are doing TRT with a few ml a week, thats not TRT. Each to their own.
-
100mgs is an effective low dosage TRT, higher dosages again usually above 200mgs will start to impact HDL negatively. In my opinion above 150mgs is not TRT, your kidding yourself.
75mg to 100mg seems to be what I have heard.
jay (from post #1) he likes the cream better then the injection for TRT... interesting
-
75mg to 100mg seems to be what I have heard.
jay (from post #1) he likes the cream better then the injection for TRT... interesting
one day after a 100mg injection and I'm over 1200ng/dl. I lowered it to 80mg's and will test again soon.
-
one day after a 100mg injection and I'm over 1200ng/dl. I lowered it to 80mg's and will test again soon.
wow. 80mg goes a long way.
i think many guys run 1000mg a week on prep :o
-
75mg to 100mg seems to be what I have heard.
jay (from post #1) he likes the cream better then the injection for TRT... interesting
I would wait and see for a bit with the cream. He only recently started that and guessing it has a lot to do with Nichols.
With shots he was doing 150 mg/week or 50mg test prop eod, last I knew of.
-
one day after a 100mg injection and I'm over 1200ng/dl. I lowered it to 80mg's and will test again soon.
How long after the injection did you do labs? If you're injecting once a week wait until 4th or 5th day following the injection. Some doctors recommend doing labs in the morning because that's when you testosterone is at it's highest level. I go for the average, doing labs in mid-afternoon. When I've had labs done at the end of the week following my injection, my test levels are well below normal.
Many doctor's will err on the safe side. The doctor's prescriptive dosage is often arbitrary. A couple of 1200ng/dl results and your doctor is very likely to lower the dose. IMO, it's better to pay more attention to the other blood work. Rising PSA and hematocrit levels are a couple of areas you'll want to monitor for sure.
-
wow. 80mg goes a long way.
i think many guys run 1000mg a week on prep :o
You are referring to guys who are crazy dumb and don't care that they are risking their health and indeed their lives. No amount of muscle is worth that.
-
Some doctors recommend doing labs in the morning because that's when you testosterone is at it's highest level.
That only applies to naturals. If you inject testosterone then you lose the circadian testosterone rhythm due to shutdown of natural testosterone.
-
How long after the injection did you do labs? If you're injecting once a week wait until 4th or 5th day following the injection. Some doctors recommend doing labs in the morning because that's when you testosterone is at it's highest level. I go for the average, doing labs in mid-afternoon. When I've had labs done at the end of the week following my injection, my test levels are well below normal.
Many doctor's will err on the safe side. The doctor's prescriptive dosage is often arbitrary. A couple of 1200ng/dl results and your doctor is very likely to lower the dose. IMO, it's better to pay more attention to the other blood work. Rising PSA and hematocrit levels are a couple of areas you'll want to monitor for sure.
It was the day after. Next bloods will be done the day of but before I inject. I want to see what the true range is and whether adjustments are needed.