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Was training arms and my friends at @emporiumgym captured some good negatives with me using the EZ AF curl bar lol. Gotta love it when your training arms while wearing a @gifted_athletics Dream Killer Stringer and your arms are on Swole!!!!! I told y’all I ain’t playa around this year. #PhilHeath #7xMrOlympia #Retribution #giftedathletics #DreamKiller
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First off, thanks for the update on this midgie. Now on to insightful, but brief, commentary.
Golly, Phildo be usin' de EZ A(z) F(uk) curl bar whilst wearin' dat phat azz Poysoned (gift is German for "poison") Dream Killah.
'n' sheit.
What a twatling is Phildo the Phucktard.
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He looks 1000x better than this guy
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=653801.0;attach=774678;image)
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He looks 1000x better than this guy
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=653801.0;attach=774678;image)
lol, yeah, that is the sad part.
Of course, the day of the show is the only thing that matters, but damn, for a Mr. Olympia, that looks pretty bad. :-X :-X
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lol, yeah, that is the sad part.
Of course, the day of the show is the only thing that matters, but damn, for a Mr. Olympia, that looks pretty bad. :-X :-X
You're right SF1900. You cant judge a bodybuilder before the contest. All that matters is the day of the show.
(Non positive) Comments before then are considered "hater fuel".
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lol, yeah, that is the sad part.
Of course, the day of the show is the only thing that matters, but damn, for a Mr. Olympia, that looks pretty bad. :-X :-X
Looks like a pec tear on the right side.
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lol, yeah, that is the sad part.
Of course, the day of the show is the only thing that matters, but damn, for a Mr. Olympia, that looks pretty bad. :-X :-X
I have never seen a current Mr Olympia looking that bad , he looks horrible , he should be stripped of his title.
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I have never seen a current Mr Olympia looking that bad , he looks horrible , he should be stripped of his title.
You can't judge him 19 weeks from the show. Its not right.
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, he should be stripped of his title.
Possibly the dumbest bodybuilding quote ever made
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What’s preventing these guys from staying lean offseason? It wouldn’t be so bad being downsized and skinny off-season but this bloated water retended look is just awful.
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I have never seen a current Mr Olympia looking that bad , he looks horrible , he should be stripped of his title.
Would be interesting if someone could collect photos of all Me Olympias, in their prime, but off gear
That would probably look very dissappointing.....
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Would be interesting if someone could collect photos of all Me Olympias, in their prime, but off gear
That would probably look very dissappointing.....
Arnold strolling in to the gym in the opening scenes of pumping iron was a bit small but looked good still. The above pic is pretty bad for a reigning champ.
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They all look like shite.
Zane is laughing out there somewhere...
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(https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/uploads/monthly_2018_10/child.JPG.6dfa7c326f697bcd4cb202163d172a90.JPG)
Current off season Coleman.
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You're right SF1900. You cant judge a bodybuilder before the contest. All that matters is the day of the show.
(Non positive) Comments before then are considered "hater fuel".
Lmao!! ;D
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Looks like a pec tear on the right side.
One time champ. He will lose it this year.
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I see all the past Mr. Olympia’s and people who have trained, dieted and prepared for a show are chiming in with their expertise. This is Trigili level of stupidity
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I see all the past Mr. Olympia’s and people who have trained, dieted and prepared for a show are chiming in with their expertise. This is Trigili level of stupidity
Trigili is a PRO, Coach (whatever that means)
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Trigili is a PRO, Coach (whatever that means)
So? He’s said some stupid shit that makes me question his decisions
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I have a feeling that Phil is going to take it back this year.
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I have a feeling that Phil is going to take it back this year.
What is your feeling based on?
Off season photos? You might as well base your feelings of a show on workout videos or vacation pictures. You cant judge a show before a show.
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I have a feeling that Phil is going to take it back this year.
Look, if Phil came in with a vacuum, revamped abdominal wall and everything was how he usually brings it, he's the GOAT. But the revamped abdominal wall isn't going to happen. His abs wall is riddled with the effects of Palumboism and they've begin merging into what will appear to the viewing audience as a single abdominal wall. This is his second surgery, he'll be 40 in Dec. I'm not saying it can't be done because he is a champion we've seen over and over again, deserved or not. I'm not questioning his effort, I'm questioning his body's ability to be what it needs to be to win again. I think he would have already fixed it by now if he could. He should be wearing some sort of compression for his ab wall (waist trainer), he should fast and vacuum, and not just work his rectus abdominus but his transverse and other core stabilizer muscles. Breathing exercises for his diaphragm as well. It would improve it, not to sure what he's already doing.
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So? He’s said some stupid shit that makes me question his decisions
Dont ever 'question' a Pro, Coach. Theyre PROS! lol
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lol, yeah, that is the sad part.
Of course, the day of the show is the only thing that matters, but damn, for a Mr. Olympia, that looks pretty bad. :-X :-X
This is so bad it’s difficult to believe.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BxW0SZtFg00/?hl=en
philheath - Verified
Was training arms and my friends at @emporiumgym captured some good negatives with me using the EZ AF curl bar lol. Gotta love it when your training arms while wearing a @gifted_athletics Dream Killer Stringer and your arms are on Swole!!!!! I told y’all I ain’t playa around this year. #PhilHeath #7xMrOlympia #Retribution #giftedathletics #DreamKiller
Huge arms and narrowness of the ages.
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This is so bad it’s difficult to believe.
The magic of drugs will transform him in just a few months. But, will it be enough time for him to do battle with Phil?!?!
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I see all the past Mr. Olympia’s and people who have trained, dieted and prepared for a show are chiming in with their expertise. This is Trigili level of stupidity
You keep saying this but it is really THAT hard to hold 10-12% body fat? Come on now.
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You keep saying this but it is really THAT hard to hold 10-12% body fat? Come on now.
Of course it isn't.
It's pure laziness and knowing they could rely on drugs to transform themselves in a matter of weeks/months.
If bodybuilding was about health and fitness and really a lifestyle, Rhoden would not look that out of shape. But, it's not. It's about looking like shit for the majority of the year, pumping yourself full of drugs 3-6 months before a contest, looking insane, then go back to looking like garbage again.
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Of course it isn't.
It's pure laziness and knowing they could rely on drugs to transform themselves in a matter of weeks/months.
If bodybuilding was about health and fitness and really a lifestyle, Rhoden would not look that out of shape. But, it's not. It's about looking like shit for the majority of the year, pumping yourself full of drugs 3-6 months before a contest, looking insane, then go back to looking like garbage again.
Thats why its not a sport
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Thats why its not a sport
It's also not objectively judged scoring.
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I think if Phil can improve his waist he's a chance, Rhoden needs to be at his absolute best again to beat him , if he's just off and Phils on and his waist is improved, I think he can win it back.
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Of course it isn't.
It's pure laziness and knowing they could rely on drugs to transform themselves in a matter of weeks/months.
If bodybuilding was about health and fitness and really a lifestyle, Rhoden would not look that out of shape. But, it's not. It's about looking like shit for the majority of the year, pumping yourself full of drugs 3-6 months before a contest, looking insane, then go back to looking like garbage again.
Great post
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Great post
Thank you for your support, Che! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Thank you for your support, Che! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
No problem, you are one of the best poster on this site ,TOP 3 .
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No problem, you are one of the best poster on this site ,TOP 3 .
Didn't you once box Oscar de la Hoya?
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No problem, you are one of the best poster on this site ,TOP 3 .
Thank you.
That’s a great compliment coming from you! 👍🏻👍🏻
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Thank you.
That’s a great compliment coming from you! 👍🏻👍🏻
Fear not, I still think you're a canard spewing fuckwad of a typist. You started this chimpleton.
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No problem, you are the absolute best poster on this site.
I second that.
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I second that.
Thank you! It is much appreciated! 🙂🙂👍🏻👍🏻
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I dont understand the point of walking around looking like a fat truck driver for 9 months a year. I understand they have to go off, why not stay on trt and get as shredded as possible in the offseason, then blow up into the show.
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Of course it isn't.
It's pure laziness and knowing they could rely on drugs to transform themselves in a matter of weeks/months.
If bodybuilding was about health and fitness and really a lifestyle, Rhoden would not look that out of shape. But, it's not. It's about looking like shit for the majority of the year, pumping yourself full of drugs 3-6 months before a contest, looking insane, then go back to looking like garbage again.
Just stop
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You keep saying this but it is really THAT hard to hold 10-12% body fat? Come on now.
Shawn already said this is the way he’s been in the off-season since he turned pro and now everyone on him. But let’s do a hypothetical, there is 19 weeks left. Shawn is 270-275 tops right now. When he won the Olympia he was what? 252? Let say he’s around 14-16% ON THE HIGH SIDE and let’s say he’s on stage at 3.5-4.5%.
Take into consideration that he has been training everyday with light cardio and hes is completely off gear. Yup, he likes to live like a normal person in the off-season while enjoying his family. Personally, he’s the smartest pro up there because he knows he need to
Recover, Travel (almost all year) taking care of his sponsor obligations, etc
He’s got almost 5 months of prep. What do you? If I calculated correctly, he’d would have lose and trend at losing about 1/2% per week. How hard do you suppose that would be given 19 weeks?
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Just stop
So professional bodybuilding is about health? Haha lol
Stop, just stop.
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So professional bodybuilding is about health? Haha lol
Stop, just stop.
Yeah, no one said was but the lifestyle is and seriously dude, you and everyone else that brings up the drugs and thinking it’s ALL about that need to pull your heads out
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Yeah, no one said was but the lifestyle is and seriously dude, you and everyone else that brings up the drugs and thinking it’s ALL about that need to pull your heads out
So, the professional bodybuilding lifestyle is about health? 😂😂😂
Hey, man, whatever you gotta tell yourself to convince yourself it’s the truth 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Yeah, no one said was but the lifestyle is and seriously dude, you and everyone else that brings up the drugs and thinking it’s ALL about that need to pull your heads out
Looking forward to your impending heart attack. Nothing to do with drugs, of course.
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I second that.
SF is def one of my favs
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Shawn already said this is the way he’s been in the off-season since he turned pro and now everyone on him. But let’s do a hypothetical, there is 19 weeks left. Shawn is 270-275 tops right now. When he won the Olympia he was what? 252? Let say he’s around 14-16% ON THE HIGH SIDE and let’s say he’s on stage at 3.5-4.5%.
Take into consideration that he has been training everyday with light cardio and hes is completely off gear. Yup, he likes to live like a normal person in the off-season while enjoying his family. Personally, he’s the smartest pro up there because he knows he need to
Recover, Travel (almost all year) taking care of his sponsor obligations, etc
He’s got almost 5 months of prep. What do you? If I calculated correctly, he’d would have lose and trend at losing about 1/2% per week. How hard do you suppose that would be given 19 weeks?
Honestly, is he really COMPLETELY off everything?? Not even 400 mg of test a wk??
Do you know for sure?
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SF is def one of my favs
Thanks, dude. Right back at you!! 👍🏻👍🏻
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Honestly, is he really COMPLETELY off everything?? Not even 400 mg of test a wk??
Do you know for sure?
Holding way too much estrogen and water to be off completely off I would say low cruise type dosages of HGH and Test, props to him for having the genetics and the genetic response to being able to get ready in 20 weeks IMO, you wouldn't do that without a solid base, whilst he looks way off, he's probably the least all drugs guy around if whats said is true.
Bodybuilding is a drug sport, so are many sports they just aren't as obvious or require as much abuse. Training and dieting for a contest drugs is gruelling in my opinion far more difficult than playing many sports. The sacrifice is 24hrs a day and everything you eat, no other sport is as intense during this phase, even cutting weight for UFC boxing its hard but its all about making weight not being full hard etc as well, just an opinion. I wouldn't call them athletes but i wouldn't call them not athletes either. Its a beauty contest more than a competitive sports meet, but it does require training in a gym as many sports do.
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Holding way too much estrogen and water to be off completely off I would say low cruise type dosages of HGH and Test, props to him for having the genetics and the genetic response to being able to get ready in 20 weeks IMO, you wouldn't do that without a solid base, whilst he looks way off, he's probably the least all drugs guy around if whats said is true.
Bodybuilding is a drug sport, so are many sports they just aren't as obvious or require as much abuse. Training and dieting for a contest drugs is gruelling in my opinion far more difficult than playing many sports. The sacrifice is 24hrs a day and everything you eat, no other sport is as intense during this phase, even cutting weight for UFC boxing its hard but its all about making weight not being full hard etc as well, just an opinion. I wouldn't call them athletes but i wouldn't call them not athletes either. Its a beauty contest more than a competitive sports meet, but it does require training in a gym as many sports do.
Good post
Levrone of course was the same, old school way of doing things
I recall dexter did this too in the past but now he seems more all in, carrying more mass than he ever did off season wise
That’ll explain how he’s able to be in the “sport” for as long as he did
If Levrone never stopped training hard and competing after 2003, I bet he would have def been competitive all the way into his mid 40’s
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Did Getbig's own "che" ever box Oscar de la Hoya?
I once read that che laid waste to Oscar de la Hoya.
Is that true?
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Shawn already said this is the way he’s been in the off-season since he turned pro and now everyone on him. But let’s do a hypothetical, there is 19 weeks left. Shawn is 270-275 tops right now. When he won the Olympia he was what? 252? Let say he’s around 14-16% ON THE HIGH SIDE and let’s say he’s on stage at 3.5-4.5%.
Take into consideration that he has been training everyday with light cardio and hes is completely off gear. Yup, he likes to live like a normal person in the off-season while enjoying his family. Personally, he’s the smartest pro up there because he knows he need to
Recover, Travel (almost all year) taking care of his sponsor obligations, etc
He’s got almost 5 months of prep. What do you? If I calculated correctly, he’d would have lose and trend at losing about 1/2% per week. How hard do you suppose that would be given 19 weeks?
Ideally if it were myself, if I was stage ready at 250 lbs lean I would drop down to 190-200 lbs lean until it was time to train seriously for the next show. I think my main criticism is posing on a stage as the worlds top bodybuilder looking like that, I wouldn’t pose at all if I was out of shape. I know he’ll come to the show ready but my problem lies with the modern bodybuilding methods.
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He looks 1000x better than this guy
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=653801.0;attach=774678;image)
Hahahahaha…. The poster boy for "All Drugs."
Take the needle out of his ass and he looks like somebody who casually trains at the local Planet Fitness.
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Yeah, no one said was but the lifestyle is and seriously dude, you and everyone else that brings up the drugs and thinking it’s ALL about that need to pull your heads out
Coach, you are obviously going to be biased.
The problem with you is that you think you're the only one who has ever competed, trained with other professionals and/or amateurs, or know people in the game. You realize many people here, including myself, have either competed or trained with other guys who competed. I have trained with a fair share of competitive bodybuilders, both people who compete in "natural" shows, as well as NPC shows. Hell, I was getting ready for a contest until I had to pull out because of a double hernia. You are not the only one in the know.
Anyway, look at Shaun Rhoden's offseason picture. That picture clearly demonstrates, to a large degree, all drugs. If someone can lose that quickly and gain that quickly come contest time, its a testament to the power of drugs. Someone even posted a study that those who were on PED's gained more muscle without even training than those who were not on PED's and trained.
Of course, if one wants to be a competitive bodybuilder, one still has to train and follow a diet. However, drugs are the largest factor in the equation, as evidenced by Rhoden's drastic transformation (off season vs. on season). Not to mention that people here have already stated countless time that many of the pros train and diet like shit, yet are still monsters. Bodybuilding, for the most part, is a chemical warfare. Yet, you still downplay the equation of PEDs. You are not being honest with yourself.
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Coach, you are obviously going to be biased.
The problem with you is that you think you're the only one who has ever competed, trained with other professionals and/or amateurs, or know people in the game. You realize many people here, including myself, have either competed or trained with other guys who competed. I have trained with a fair share of competitive bodybuilders, both people who compete in "natural" shows, as well as NPC shows. Hell, I was getting ready for a contest until I had to pull out because of a double hernia. You are not the only one in the know.
Anyway, look at Shaun Rhoden's offseason picture. That picture clearly demonstrates, to a large degree, all drugs. If someone can lose that quickly and gain that quickly come contest time, its a testament to the power of drugs. Someone even posted a study that those who were on PED's gained more muscle without even training than those who were not on PED's and trained.
Of course, if one wants to be a competitive bodybuilder, one still has to train and follow a diet. However, drugs are the largest factor in the equation, as evidenced by Rhoden's drastic transformation (off season vs. on season). Not to mention that people here have already stated countless time that many of the pros train and diet like shit, yet are still monsters. Bodybuilding, for the most part, is a chemical warfare. Yet, you still downplay the equation of PEDs. You are not being honest with yourself.
I don’t have time to read all of this so I’ll just address you thinking I’m the only one. No, I’m not the only one and the most of the people that have competed at a higher level, trained with and have prepared pros are laughing their asses off right now thinking that like minded thinkers like you know more or have been there.
Do I down play the PED factor, of course not but I’m tired reading incessant bullshit that it’s “all drugs” and if that were the case there would be no need for dieting or training but I’m going digress on this by just saying that most on here are going by pure speculation. No, you don’t know what you’re talking about simply because there are a million factors that no one took into consideration during his off-season including that bonehead Trigili and a few others that claim to be “experts” but literally parrot everything everyone says on here minus the drugs because like you, he didn’t think things through yet spouted his bullshit. Same with this “Ivan” clown (who the fuck is he again?)
Everyone has their opinion but for Christ sake at least have some common sense about it. Calling someone “lazy” because he doesn’t fit your idea of what off-season should look like is naive at best.
“The others on stage looked better, why didn’t he?”
Here’s your answer.
They’ve already competed 2/3 times this year and it’s MUCH easier to stay lean going into this GUEST POSING appearance. He and Aceto know better than anyone as to when to start his prep, not you, not me not anyone else on this board.
Am I saying Shawn will win again? Who knows but I can tell you if he doesn’t and he takes a 2nd 3rd 4th or whatever all you’re going to hear from the ones that think they know best is “I told you so” which in reality wouldn’t validate shit.
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Fear not, I still think you're a canard spewing fuckwad of a typist. You started this chimpleton.
Please moderate your tone.
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I don’t have time to read all of this so I’ll just address you thinking I’m the only one. No, I’m not the only one and the most of the people that have competed at a higher level, trained with and have prepared pros are laughing their asses off right now thinking that like minded thinkers like you know more or have been there.
Do I down play the PED factor, of course not but I’m tired reading incessant bullshit that it’s “all drugs” and if that were the case there would be no need for dieting or training but I’m going digress on this by just saying that most on here are going by pure speculation. No, you don’t know what you’re talking about simply because there are a million factors that no one took into consideration during his off-season including that bonehead Trigili and a few others that claim to be “experts” but literally parrot everything everyone says on here minus the drugs because like you, he didn’t think things through yet spouted his bullshit. Same with this “Ivan” clown (who the fuck is he again?)
Everyone has their opinion but for Christ sake at least have some common sense about it. Calling someone “lazy” because he doesn’t fit your idea of what off-season should look like is naive at best.
“The others on stage looked better, why didn’t he?”
Here’s your answer.
They’ve already competed 2/3 times this year and it’s MUCH easier to stay lean going into this GUEST POSING appearance. He and Aceto know better than anyone as to when to start his prep, not you, not me not anyone else on this board.
Am I saying Shawn will win again? Who knows but I can tell you if he doesn’t and he takes a 2nd 3rd 4th or whatever all you’re going to hear from the ones that think they know best is “I told you so” which in reality wouldn’t validate shit.
Genetics is number 1. Nothing trumps that.
If you take two people same size/weight similar genetics have them train and eat the same. Put one on drugs and the other natural, the difference would not just be huge it would be astounding. That really is the testament to drugs. I've done this with my own self so I know.
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I don’t have time to read all of this so I’ll just address you thinking I’m the only one. No, I’m not the only one and the most of the people that have competed at a higher level, trained with and have prepared pros are laughing their asses off right now thinking that like minded thinkers like you know more or have been there.
Do I down play the PED factor, of course not but I’m tired reading incessant bullshit that it’s “all drugs” and if that were the case there would be no need for dieting or training but I’m going digress on this by just saying that most on here are going by pure speculation. No, you don’t know what you’re talking about simply because there are a million factors that no one took into consideration during his off-season including that bonehead Trigili and a few others that claim to be “experts” but literally parrot everything everyone says on here minus the drugs because like you, he didn’t think things through yet spouted his bullshit. Same with this “Ivan” clown (who the fuck is he again?)
Everyone has their opinion but for Christ sake at least have some common sense about it. Calling someone “lazy” because he doesn’t fit your idea of what off-season should look like is naive at best.
“The others on stage looked better, why didn’t he?”
Here’s your answer.
They’ve already competed 2/3 times this year and it’s MUCH easier to stay lean going into this GUEST POSING appearance. He and Aceto know better than anyone as to when to start his prep, not you, not me not anyone else on this board.
Am I saying Shawn will win again? Who knows but I can tell you if he doesn’t and he takes a 2nd 3rd 4th or whatever all you’re going to hear from the ones that think they know best is “I told you so” which in reality wouldn’t validate shit.
I don't have time to read all of that, so I just read the first paragraph.
I don't have to be an "expert" to know that currently, Rhoden looks like an average gym rat, and will transform into a monster in a matter of months. That's the power of drugs, above all else.
Again, I am not saying one doesn't have to train and diet. However, training and diet are a small equation compared to genetics and drugs. You just don't want to admit this fact because you're currently in the game and train at Gold's. You don't want to piss anyone off. I get it. But, we all know the power of drugs. IFBB tries to dupe people into believing otherwise--they try to overemphasize diet and training and supplementation, when it's really about drugs.
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Coach, you are obviously going to be biased.
The problem with you is that you think you're the only one who has ever competed, trained with other professionals and/or amateurs, or know people in the game. You realize many people here, including myself, have either competed or trained with other guys who competed. I have trained with a fair share of competitive bodybuilders, both people who compete in "natural" shows, as well as NPC shows. Hell, I was getting ready for a contest until I had to pull out because of a double hernia. You are not the only one in the know.
Anyway, look at Shaun Rhoden's offseason picture. That picture clearly demonstrates, to a large degree, all drugs. If someone can lose that quickly and gain that quickly come contest time, its a testament to the power of drugs. Someone even posted a study that those who were on PED's gained more muscle without even training than those who were not on PED's and trained.
Of course, if one wants to be a competitive bodybuilder, one still has to train and follow a diet. However, drugs are the largest factor in the equation, as evidenced by Rhoden's drastic transformation (off season vs. on season). Not to mention that people here have already stated countless time that many of the pros train and diet like shit, yet are still monsters. Bodybuilding, for the most part, is a chemical warfare. Yet, you still downplay the equation of PEDs. You are not being honest with yourself.
Bodybuilding at the professional level is ALL training and diet.
Tom Prince said if you want to be a pro you can never miss a workout. NEVER.
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Bodybuilding at the professional level is ALL training and diet.
Tom Prince said if you want to be a pro you can never miss a workout. NEVER.
What happens if the person takes a lot of drugs and misses one work out?
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What happens if the person takes a lot of drugs and misses one work out?
That person can be a top amateur or you can wait until you are 43 to become Mr. Olympia.
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Genetics is number 1. Nothing trumps that.
If you take two people same size/weight similar genetics have them train and eat the same. Put one on drugs and the other natural, the difference would not just be huge it would be astounding. That really is the testament to drugs. I've done this with my own self so I know.
BINGO!
As to your other point, of course, but in that same token you can take the bottom rung of pros put them on the same gear, same training (diet of course would differ from person to person) and those at the bottom will never come close to the top level guys.
Shawns strong points is that he doesn't really have any strong points, he's well balanced, good lines and good symmetry. Also take into consideration that this guy is what? 45-46 years old?
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BINGO!
As to your other point, of course, but in that same token you can take the bottom rung of pros put them on the same gear, same training (diet of course would differ from person to person) and those at the bottom will never come close to the top level guys.
Shawns strong points is that he doesn't really have any strong points, he's well balanced, good lines and good symmetry. Also take into consideration that this guy is what? 45-46 years old?
Yet, the IFBB pros who are at the bottom of the rung are still monsters because of drugs.
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Look, if Phil came in with a vacuum, revamped abdominal wall and everything was how he usually brings it, he's the GOAT. But the revamped abdominal wall isn't going to happen. His abs wall is riddled with the effects of Palumboism and they've begin merging into what will appear to the viewing audience as a single abdominal wall. This is his second surgery, he'll be 40 in Dec. I'm not saying it can't be done because he is a champion we've seen over and over again, deserved or not. I'm not questioning his effort, I'm questioning his body's ability to be what it needs to be to win again. I think he would have already fixed it by now if he could. He should be wearing some sort of compression for his ab wall (waist trainer), he should fast and vacuum, and not just work his rectus abdominus but his transverse and other core stabilizer muscles. Breathing exercises for his diaphragm as well. It would improve it, not to sure what he's already doing.
If Phil came in with no gut and could do a vacuum pose like they did decades ago while keeping all of his mass everywhere else he would be the most bad ass looking bodybuilder in history, I agree.
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Yet, the IFBB pros who are at the bottom of the rung are still monsters because of drugs.
Dude, what's your point? There are drugs everywhere. "Natural" bodybuilding, Instagram models, unless you go to a Curves your average gym rat is more than likely on a gram a week or more, your neighbor, your civil servants, military, etc what I'm saying is the ones that you think are the least likey to be on gear are on, maybe not on a "pro stack" (whatever that means) and if they haven't (meaning regular non-competitive gym rat bodybuilder) they have or will certainly inquire about it sooner or later because very few want to continue going to the gym yielding the same results.
I would also assume that most that think of a "pro stack" are probably thinking of that ridiculous stack that went around that supposedly killed Dallas McCarver. If that's the thought process, it's wrong.
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Dude, what's your point? There are drugs everywhere. "Natural" bodybuilding, Instagram models, unless you go to a Curves your average gym rat is more than likely on a gram a week or more, your neighbor, your civil servants, military, etc what I'm saying is the ones that you think are the least likey to be on gear are on, maybe not on a "pro stack" (whatever that means) and if they haven't (meaning regular non-competitive gym rat bodybuilder) they have and will certainly inquire about it sooner or later because very few want to continue going to the gym yielding the same results.
I would also assume that most that think of a "pro stack" are probably thinking of that ridiculous stack that went around that supposedly killed Dallas McCarver. If that's the thought process, it's wrong.
Yes that is correct- most PED users are not professional bodybuilders. Not by a long shot:
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/steroids-other-appearance-performance-enhancing-drugs-apeds/who-uses-anabolic-steroids (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/steroids-other-appearance-performance-enhancing-drugs-apeds/who-uses-anabolic-steroids)
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Dude, what's your point? There are drugs everywhere. "Natural" bodybuilding, Instagram models, unless you go to a Curves your average gym rat is more than likely on a gram a week or more, your neighbor, your civil servants, military, etc what I'm saying is the ones that you think are the least likey to be on gear are on, maybe not on a "pro stack" (whatever that means) and if they haven't (meaning regular non-competitive gym rat bodybuilder) they have or will certainly inquire about it sooner or later because very few want to continue going to the gym yielding the same results.
I would also assume that most that think of a "pro stack" are probably thinking of that ridiculous stack that went around that supposedly killed Dallas McCarver. If that's the thought process, it's wrong.
My point is your incessant need to underemphasize drugs and overemphasize training and diet. Nothing more, nothing less.
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My point is your incessant need to underemphasize drugs and overemphasize training and diet. Nothing more, nothing less.
No way he’s under emphasizing drugs. Training, diet, and sleep are critical but all of us know drugs are an essential part of looking like a jacked bb.
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No way he’s under emphasizing drugs. Training, diet, and sleep are critical but all of us know drugs are an essential part of looking like a jacked bb.
But if you had to weigh the importance:
Drugs > training and diet
I don’t buy for a minute that they are all equally important. Drugs are WAY more important to bodybuilding success than any other factor (other than genetics).
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My point is your incessant need to underemphasize drugs and overemphasize training and diet. Nothing more, nothing less.
No, I'm not underemphasizing it, I'm saying you cannot have one without the other and equal effort has to be put into all three with diet coming first because to get the optimal effect of the steroid you have to have an eating plan that coincides with the use. I will say, nowadays you have to search wide and far to find anyone that trains hard anymore maybe not realizing that also makes a difference come game day.
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But if you had to weigh the importance:
Drugs > training and diet
I don’t buy for a minute that they are all equally important. Drugs are WAY more important to bodybuilding success than any other factor (other than genetics).
This is most accurate.
I’ve hung and trained extensively with top-level pros (even a Mr. Olympia) and drugs and good-to-great genetic response to said drugs is far and away the prevailing factor to success.
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This is most accurate.
I’ve hung and trained extensively with top-level pros (even a Mr. Olympia) and drugs and good-to-great genetic response to said drugs is far and away the prevailing factor to success.
You mean Paul Dillet wasn't known for his intense training and disciplined dieting?
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But if you had to weigh the importance:
Drugs > training and diet
Drugs are WAY more important to bodybuilding success than any other factor
drugs and good-to-great genetic response to said drugs is far and away the prevailing factor to success.
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You mean Paul Dillet wasn't known for his intense training and disciplined dieting?
I wasn’t even thinking about him, but damn, yeah, there’s one for the ages.
No training sophistication or effort to speak of, a “casual” diet and boatloads of good gear, and ... voila! Prime Dillett. An absolute monster and top-10 Olympia finalist.
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But if you had to weigh the importance:
Drugs > training and diet
I don’t buy for a minute that they are all equally important. Drugs are WAY more important to bodybuilding success than any other factor (other than genetics).
It's not even a debate you are 100% correct.
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I don’t have time to read all of this so I’ll just address you thinking I’m the only one. No, I’m not the only one and the most of the people that have competed at a higher level, trained with and have prepared pros are laughing their asses off right now thinking that like minded thinkers like you know more or have been there.
Do I down play the PED factor, of course not but I’m tired reading incessant bullshit that it’s “all drugs” and if that were the case there would be no need for dieting or training but I’m going digress on this by just saying that most on here are going by pure speculation. No, you don’t know what you’re talking about simply because there are a million factors that no one took into consideration during his off-season including that bonehead Trigili and a few others that claim to be “experts” but literally parrot everything everyone says on here minus the drugs because like you, he didn’t think things through yet spouted his bullshit. Same with this “Ivan” clown (who the fuck is he again?)
Everyone has their opinion but for Christ sake at least have some common sense about it. Calling someone “lazy” because he doesn’t fit your idea of what off-season should look like is naive at best.
“The others on stage looked better, why didn’t he?”
Here’s your answer.
They’ve already competed 2/3 times this year and it’s MUCH easier to stay lean going into this GUEST POSING appearance. He and Aceto know better than anyone as to when to start his prep, not you, not me not anyone else on this board.
Am I saying Shawn will win again? Who knows but I can tell you if he doesn’t and he takes a 2nd 3rd 4th or whatever all you’re going to hear from the ones that think they know best is “I told you so” which in reality wouldn’t validate shit.
All drugs.
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It's not even a debate you are 100% correct.
Correct.
Remove ONE factor from every bodybuilder, and those not using drugs would suffer/regress the most.
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Correct.
Remove ONE factor from every bodybuilder, and those not using drugs would suffer/regress the most.
You remove the diet factor in the coming weeks and the week leading up to being on stage and all of the drugs in the world are useless.
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You remove the diet factor in the coming weeks and the week leading up to being on stage and all of the drugs in the world are useless.
You remove all the drugs you are taking and you would be a 160 lbs skinny fat midget .
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I wasn’t even thinking about him, but damn, yeah, there’s one for the ages.
No training sophistication or effort to speak of, a “casual” diet and boatloads of good gear, and ... voila! Prime Dillett. An absolute monster and top-10 Olympia finalist.
Name some others as I'm sure there were quite a few who trained like shit.
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You remove all the drugs you are taking and you would be a 160 lbs skinny fat midget .
And still outweigh you by 30lbs and look better
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Correct.
Remove ONE factor from every bodybuilder, and those not using drugs would suffer/regress the most.
If anyone argues this they are brain dead. Take out diet but keep in juice you can look good and jacked. Take out juice it just isn't possible.
If anyone doesn't believe me apply it to yourself.
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If anyone argues this they are brain dead. Take out diet but keep in juice you can look good and jacked. Take out juice it just isn't possible.
If anyone doesn't believe me apply it to yourself.
I’m talking about contest prep not just walking around looking jacked
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Bb look so dumb these days
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Bb look so dumb these days
These Days? lol
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You remove the diet factor in the coming weeks and the week leading up to being on stage and all of the drugs in the world are useless.
I witnessed one NPC National champion eat a diet of total shit/inconsistency, complete with daily junk-food excursion runs, step onstage huge and ripped.
His drug use was epic and on-point, though.
Witnessed the whole thing.
He won.
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I witnessed one NPC National champion eat a diet of total shit/inconsistency, complete with daily junk-food excursion runs, step onstage huge and ripped.
His drug use was epic and on-point, though.
Witnessed the whole thing.
He won.
I have seen the same thing many times , drug addicts like The Coach talk like they are something special, deep inside they know the truth but don't want to admit it .
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I’m talking about contest prep not just walking around looking jacked
For contest prep you need 100% commitment to all of it. Not possible without the synergy of everything.
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For contest prep you need 100% commitment to all of it. Not possible without the synergy of everything.
Exactly
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I have seen the same thing many times , drug addicts like The Coach talk like they are something special, deep inside they know the truth but don't want to admit it .
You haven’t seen shit. Troll
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I witnessed one NPC National champion eat a diet of total shit/inconsistency, complete with daily junk-food excursion runs, step onstage huge and ripped.
His drug use was epic and on-point, though.
Witnessed the whole thing.
He won.
Why because he used GH?
Do we even consider GH a drug anymore?
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Genetic response to drugs is the most important factor after having the right genetics and shape, plenty of guys over the years have tried to overcome genetics with mgs and Ius, it just doesn't work no different to the 100m sprint, if your not naturally fast you can't be a sprinter, you need to be high 10 second 100m to be able to hit low 10s late 9s with drugs and win that medal. Drugs won't turn a guy who's a 12 second guy into Carl lewis, just like they won't turn a gym rat into Mr Olympia. They are a very important factor but only after your god given genetic base. Fertilizer will grow anything but it won't turn weeds into roses, you just get bigger weeds.
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No, I'm not underemphasizing it, I'm saying you cannot have one without the other and equal effort has to be put into all three with diet coming first because to get the optimal effect of the steroid you have to have an eating plan that coincides with the use. I will say, nowadays you have to search wide and far to find anyone that trains hard anymore maybe not realizing that also makes a difference come game day.
I never said that one does not have to train or diet to be successful. However, an IFBB pro can have subpar training and subapr diet and still likely win a pro show (or compete in pro level shows) if they have the right genetics and the right drugs. A perfect example is Paul Dillet. Again, that is the power of drugs. Not to mention, all the pros who shrink to nothing once they go off gear, despite training and following a good meal plan.
Again, I never said diet and training were not important. What I am saying is that drugs are WAY more important than diet and training when it comes to the success of a bodybuilder, with diet and training the icing on the cake.
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You remove the diet factor in the coming weeks and the week leading up to being on stage and all of the drugs in the world are useless.
And remove the drugs, and they would not even be an IFBB pro, let alone an NPC competitor. In fact, they would likely be 150 pound soaking wet.
That is what I am saying. Even if an IFBB pro screwed up his diet a week before the show, he may not come in first place, but he would still be a shredded monster who looks like an IFBB pro and still be able to step on an IFBB stage.
Now lets flip it around:
Take out the drugs completely, where is that IFBB pro?
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This is most accurate.
I’ve hung and trained extensively with top-level pros (even a Mr. Olympia) and drugs and good-to-great genetic response to said drugs is far and away the prevailing factor to success.
As I said above, and I agree with you, drugs is the prevailing factor, with a good diet and good training being the icing on the cake (to help increase the chances of victory).
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You haven’t seen shit. Troll
Damn, Coach, has a new Troll. Somebody took my spot :)
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And remove the drugs, and they would not even be an IFBB pro, let alone an NPC competitor. In fact, they would likely be 150 pound soaking wet.
That is what I am saying. Even if an IFBB pro screwed up his diet a week before the show, he may not come in first place, but he would still be a shredded monster who looks like an IFBB pro and still be able to step on an IFBB stage.
Now lets flip it around:
Take out the drugs completely, where is that IFBB pro?
Its down the drain?
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Take away the drugs and the hormone replacement off cycle and these muscle marvels look like crap. Some like they never trained in their life yet they want credit for their temporary physique.
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Take away the drugs and the hormone replacement off cycle and these muscle marvels look like crap. Some like they never trained in their life yet they want credit for their temporary physique.
Exactly , The Coach is delusional,
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Jesus fucking Christ people. No one isn’t saying drugs aren’t big part of it. But to go back and forth on a fucking supposed bodybuilding board debating whether someone would or wouldn’t be shit on gear is a retarded debate from anyone posting in this thread.
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I witnessed one NPC National champion eat a diet of total shit/inconsistency, complete with daily junk-food excursion runs, step onstage huge and ripped.
His drug use was epic and on-point, though.
Witnessed the whole thing.
He won.
I guarantee his entire diet wasn’t what you thought it was. Up until this week I was having 2-4 cheat meals and will probably have one before I start depletion on Saturday. If you’re lean enough and ahead of schedule you NEED to have to that. But I seriously doubt his entire prep consisted of eating shit. You don’t have to give his name on here but feel free to IM his name. I’m curious to know who this is.
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Jesus fucking Christ people. No one isn’t saying drugs aren’t big part of it. But to go back and forth on a fucking supposed bodybuilding board debating whether someone would or wouldn’t be shit on gear is a retarded debate from anyone posting in this thread.
No, we are saying that drugs are more important than diet and training.
You disagree. So be it.
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No, we are saying that drugs are more important than diet and training.
You disagree. So be it.
Feel free to scroll through these 5 pages or any place else or as far back as you want to find where I said drugs were not as important.
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I would like to add in to my original comments that I believe genetics are indeed more important than drugs, there are many many drug users out there and a lot of them look like bloated garbage. With my genetics at this point in my life my metabolism allows me to eat whatever I want and stay 8-9% body fat.
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Feel free to scroll through these 5 pages or any place else or as far back as you want to find where I said drugs were not as important.
Not as important.
More important.
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Not as important.
More important.
Nope. Just as in most cases and as I’ve stated you can’t have one work as effectively without the other. I’ll also add that despite popular belief, more is not better and I’ve know pros as well as state and National level competitors win on half or less that what their nearest competitors ran. I know a pro right now going into the NY Pro on less than a gram and half and looks phenomenal.
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Drugs and only drugs are the determining factor that separates the No's from the Pros. If any say otherwise you need only look at a woMan on drugs and compare it to a real woman that also does bodybuilding.
One of the most honest things ever said to me was by Robby Robinson in the 70s. When I asked him what made the difference between someone like him and someone like me he said it was the drugs. He had a sense of humor about it too. He said that when somebody would say that a champion's body came out of a syringe he would laughingly reply, it also comes in pill form. This was at the original Gold's Gym. A great place to train and learn.
Some people get upset when the truth exposes the lie that is what bodybuilding has become. If you accept that your "foundation" is built on a façade, then it becomes easier to accept the temporary aspect of it all. Arnold's first American girlfriend said that when the Oak was off the dope, it was as if he had a hangover. I've seen 70s era champions off the sauce. They looked a lot like most of us. Nothing wrong with that. They took time off. I tend to think that's why they will live a lot longer than these mental midgets of today.
Today's idiots are never off the juice. They are however, out of their freakin' minds.
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Drugs and only drugs are the determining factor that separates the No's from the Pros. If any say otherwise you need only look at a woMan on drugs and compare it to a real woman that also does bodybuilding.
One of the most honest things ever said to me was by Robby Robinson in the 70s. When I asked him what made the difference between someone like him and someone like me he said it was the drugs. He had a sense of humor about it too. He said that when somebody would say that a champion's body came out of a syringe he would laughingly reply, it also comes in pill form. This was at the original Gold's Gym. A great place to train and learn.
Some people get upset when the truth exposes the lie that is what bodybuilding has become. If you accept that your "foundation" is built on a façade, then it becomes easier to accept the temporary aspect of it all. Arnold's first American girlfriend said that when the Oak was off the dope, it was as if he had a hangover. I've seen 70s era champions off the sauce. They looked a lot like most of us. Nothing wrong with that. They took time off. I tend to think that's why they will live a lot longer than these mental midgets of today.
Today's idiots are never off the juice. They are however, out of their freakin' minds.
As time passes, from one generation to the the next, people seem to become mentally weaker
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Yeah all your average gym rat has to do to look like Arnold is just take what Arnold took. Lol, have to remember its getbig. Honestly.
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Yeah all your average gym rat has to do to look like Arnold is just take what Arnold took. Lol, have to remember its getbig. Honestly.
No...All your average gym rat has to do to get BIGGER and STRONGER in the SHORTEST amount of time is take drugs. It ain't rocket science but it is the TRUTH.
Honestly. ;D
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Drugs and only drugs are the determining factor that separates the No's from the Pros. If any say otherwise you need only look at a woMan on drugs and compare it to a real woman that also does bodybuilding.
One of the most honest things ever said to me was by Robby Robinson in the 70s. When I asked him what made the difference between someone like him and someone like me he said it was the drugs. He had a sense of humor about it too. He said that when somebody would say that a champion's body came out of a syringe he would laughingly reply, it also comes in pill form. This was at the original Gold's Gym. A great place to train and learn.
Some people get upset when the truth exposes the lie that is what bodybuilding has become. If you accept that your "foundation" is built on a façade, then it becomes easier to accept the temporary aspect of it all. Arnold's first American girlfriend said that when the Oak was off the dope, it was as if he had a hangover. I've seen 70s era champions off the sauce. They looked a lot like most of us. Nothing wrong with that. They took time off. I tend to think that's why they will live a lot longer than these mental midgets of today.
Today's idiots are never off the juice. They are however, out of their freakin' minds.
Great post , The Scott
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I never said that one does not have to train or diet to be successful. However, an IFBB pro can have subpar training and subapr diet and still likely win a pro show (or compete in pro level shows) if they have the right genetics and the right drugs. A perfect example is Paul Dillet. Again, that is the power of drugs. Not to mention, all the pros who shrink to nothing once they go off gear, despite training and following a good meal plan.
Again, I never said diet and training were not important. What I am saying is that drugs are WAY more important than diet and training when it comes to the success of a bodybuilder, with diet and training the icing on the cake.
I wonder what would have happened if Dillet had the drive and intensity of Yates. I believe Dillet was more genetically gifted than Yates. In fact, I think Dillet was the most genetically gifted bber ever.
So, yes, genetics is still number one, but there is some wiggle room.
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Yeah all your average gym rat has to do to look like Arnold is just take what Arnold took. Lol, have to remember its getbig. Honestly.
Genetic response to drugs is also very important.
Genetics > drugs
Drugs > training and diet
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Genetic response to drugs is also very important.
Genetics > drugs
Drugs > training and diet
(http://seannal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/muscle-building-secrets-.jpg).
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And still outweigh you by 30lbs and look better
Honest question:
I recall you started competing very young, around 18? Means you been on gear for almost 40 years?
Have you ever been completely off all steroids completely in recent times?
Not a knock on you, curious to know
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I wonder what would have happened if Dillet had the drive and intensity of Yates. I believe Dillet was more genetically gifted than Yates. In fact, I think Dillet was the most genetically gifted bber ever.
So, yes, genetics is still number one, but there is some wiggle room.
I would say flex wheeler but they are close, dillet being 6’1 was def more imposing
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I wonder what would have happened if Dillet had the drive and intensity of Yates. I believe Dillet was more genetically gifted than Yates. In fact, I think Dillet was the most genetically gifted bber ever.
So, yes, genetics is still number one, but there is some wiggle room.
His career would have been almost exactly the same because of drugs, that's the point.
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Honest question:
I recall you started competing very young, around 18? Means you been on gear for almost 40 years?
Have you ever been completely off all steroids completely in recent times?
Not a knock on you, curious to know
I’ve been off more than I’ve been on over the course of those years. I was off for 7mos before this prep and when on I’ve never thought more was better
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Nope. Just as in most cases and as I’ve stated you can’t have one work as effectively without the other. I’ll also add that despite popular belief, more is not better and I’ve know pros as well as state and National level competitors win on half or less that what their nearest competitors ran. I know a pro right now going into the NY Pro on less than a gram and half and looks phenomenal.
You claimed that Fortress really didn’t know what his friends who were competing were eating, yet you claim to know what other people use in terms of drugs.
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You claimed that Fortress really didn’t know what his friends who were competing were eating, yet you claim to know what other people use in terms of drugs.
And where did I claim that. You still (very few) seem to get the drug/diet thing so why keep on explaining it?
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And where did I claim that. You still (very few) seem to get the drug/diet thing so why keep on explaining it?
Hes referring to this:
I guarantee his entire diet wasn’t what you thought it was. Up until this week I was having 2-4 cheat meals and will probably have one before I start depletion on Saturday. If you’re lean enough and ahead of schedule you NEED to have to that. But I seriously doubt his entire prep consisted of eating shit. You don’t have to give his name on here but feel free to IM his name. I’m curious to know who this is.
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Hes referring to this:
He said I claimed to know what others used in terms of drugs. It’s much easier to determine certain aspects of a persons diet leading up to show than it is someone’s cycle. I simply stated that there was no way this person ate dirty day in and day out for a show.
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He said I claimed to know what others used in terms of drugs. It’s much easier to determine certain aspects of a persons diet leading up to show than it is someone’s cycle. I simply stated that there was no way this person ate dirty day in and day out for a show.
You said “I guarantee his entire diet wasn’t what you thought it was..”
This implies that Fortress was wrong about his friends diet.
You could also be wrong about the people’s you know drug use.
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On the one hand, Fortress speaks from empirical experience. He claimed not to "think" what his friend was eating, he claimed to "witness" everyday examples of dirty eating.
On the other hand, Coach lacks Fortress's privileged epistemic standpoint, but is able, without any evidentiary proof, to "guarantee" that Fortress' account is not reliable.
Let's see: Slam dunk - Coach wins.
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On the one hand, Fortress speaks from empirical experience. He claimed not to "think" what his friend was eating, he claimed to "witness" everyday examples of dirty eating.
On the other hand, Coach lacks Fortress's privileged epistemic standpoint, but is able, without any evidentiary proof, to "guarantee" that Fortress' account is not reliable.
Let's see: Slam dunk - Coach wins.
Lmao!!! ;D ;D ;D
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On the one hand, Fortress speaks from empirical experience. He claimed not to "think" what his friend was eating, he claimed to "witness" everyday examples of dirty eating.
On the other hand, Coach lacks Fortress's privileged epistemic standpoint, but is able, without any evidentiary proof, to "guarantee" that Fortress' account is not reliable.
Let's see: Slam dunk - Coach wins.
For an “intellectual” you got it wrong again. Damn!
Trade school.
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For an “intellectual” you got it wrong again. Damn!
Trade school.
Coach, youre wrong.
There is no way you can definitively know what exact drugs your friends use.
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Coach, youre wrong.
There is no way you can definitively know what exact drugs your friends use.
What if in this situation the athlete is monitored via video 24/7 and blood and urine samples are tested every 3 hours during non sleeping hours. Stool samples would also need to be collected and tested. Obviously the athlete in question would be hooked up to some sort of sleep monitoring system, in addition to the video surveillance.
In the proposed scenario it would be possible for Coach, or anyone who has access to the data, to definitively know every drug used.
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Coach, youre wrong.
There is no way you can definitively know what exact drugs your friends use.
How did you make it through school? Where did I say I knew everything that everybody was taking?
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For an “intellectual” you got it wrong again. Damn!
Trade school.
Coach, you cut me to the quick. Especially, since I judged in your favor -- it was a slam dunk!
However, the above statement commits the fallacy known as "proof by assertion," an unreliable and unsupported claim. Why, because you say so? Again, I am hurt.
However, I am happy with your advice to pursue Trade School, which, by your lights, is a better alternative to universities. Thanks, Coach!
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Possibly the dumbest bodybuilding quote ever made
From one of the dumbest posters.
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How did you make it through school? Where did I say I knew everything that everybody was taking?
Coach, I know you have reading comprehension problems, so please go back and read my statement.
I said that you can't definitely know what your FRIENDS (I use friends to mean the people you train with) are taking. The keyword being "FRIENDS." I never said you knew what everyone was taking. I said, what your "FRIENDS" were taking. Hence my statement, "There is no way you can definitively know what exact drugs your friends use." Friends in no way implies "everybody."
Furthermore, you stated, "I’ve know pros as well as state and National level competitors win on half or less that what their nearest competitors ran. I know a pro right now going into the NY Pro on less than a gram and half and looks phenomenal." This implies that you knew who was taking more or less. However, there is no way for you to definitevly know this unless you followed them around and saw everything they took every day.
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Coach, you cut me to the quick. Especially, since I judged in your favor -- it was a slam dunk!
However, the above statement commits the fallacy known as "proof by assertion," an unreliable and unsupported claim. Why, because you say so? Again, I am hurt.
However, I am happy with your advice to pursue Trade School, which, by your lights, is a better alternative to universities. Thanks, Coach!
hahahahahah this guy is hilarious. Nice style
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Coach, I know you have reading comprehension problems, so please go back and read my statement.
I said that you can't definitely know what your FRIENDS (I use friends to mean the people you train with) are taking. The keyword being "FRIENDS." I never said you knew what everyone was taking. I said, what your "FRIENDS" were taking. Hence my statement, "There is no way you can definitively know what exact drugs your friends use." Friends in no way implies "everybody."
Furthermore, you stated, "I’ve know pros as well as state and National level competitors win on half or less that what their nearest competitors ran. I know a pro right now going into the NY Pro on less than a gram and half and looks phenomenal." This implies that you knew who was taking more or less. However, there is no way for you to definitevly know this unless you followed them around and saw everything they took every day.
Can coach share the names of these competitors? He can IM all of us if he doesn’t want it to be known :D
Coach, you are so quick to ask us who these competitors are but you do the same thing, who’s this NY pro and other nationals competitors who take less you are referring too?
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He looks 1000x better than this guy
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=653801.0;attach=774678;image)
shawn ray's take on the whole deal
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shawn ray's take on the whole deal
He's right
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Shawn is correct.
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yep - i also agree with Mr. Ray too
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I agree with Ray Shawn as well
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Oj or more OJ,, we all know what time it is!!
Sept will tell
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Ok, ,ok!! Calm down!! Weeeks to go,, lots to change!! These guys know there shit!! You guy will get your chance to dry hump your pillow to there bods!
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Shawn is absolutely right. Take some fucking pride in the way you look. You are fucking Mr.O. Don't see that happening this year.
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Can coach share the names of these competitors? He can IM all of us if he doesn’t want it to be known :D
Coach, you are so quick to ask us who these competitors are but you do the same thing, who’s this NY pro and other nationals competitors who take less you are referring too?
You should know better than to ask anyone especially myself to share a name of anyone I’ve helped. There, now know how I know EXACTLY what at least these guys were/are taking.
Just to add, I’m kinda done sharing pretty much anything with anyone on here, I mean, since you guys have all trained and prepared people for shows that have won, competed yourselves and know the process inside and out, know about diet, training and drugs I’ll just sit back and watch. I mean seriously, when was the last time you went to show to at least get an idea? How often do you go? Or does everyone shit on bodybuilding all year around only to ask for the live streams each year of Arnold and Olympia’s only to comment “they wouldn’t be shit without drugs” if that’s the case, why watch? Why be on here even commenting on something you don’t know enough about ?
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Can coach share the names of these competitors? He can IM all of us if he doesn’t want it to be known :D
Coach, you are so quick to ask us who these competitors are but you do the same thing, who’s this NY pro and other nationals competitors who take less you are referring too?
Coach doesn't realize that I didn't say he knew everyone was on steroids, but just his friends. ???
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Coach doesn't realize that I didn't say he knew everyone was on steroids, but just his friends. ???
What you don’t realize is that you like to put words in my mouth. You’re a buck fifty soak and wet yet you’re commenting on things you don’t know enough about.
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Coach doesn't realize that I didn't say he knew everyone was on steroids, but just his friends. ???
Btw, you’re the #1 culprit on here who thinks they know without knowing.
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Coach, while I agree with stuff you say about training and diet, I think you're wrong on other things and are being dishonest with yourself.
I think you are wrong when you place diet and training on the same level of drugs in terms of importance.
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shawn ray's take on the whole deal
Like I haven't made multiple posts stating Rhoden and McMillan are two of the laziest and inconsistent pros.
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Btw, you’re the #1 culprit on here who thinks they know without knowing.
Why wouldn't I know?
I've been training for years, got ready for a show, and have trained with NPC competitors.
After all that, how can you imply that I know absolutely nothing about bodybuilding, diet and training? For a natural, I have decent size without doing any drugs. Clearly, I know something about training and diet.
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Why wouldn't I know?
I've been training for years, got ready for a show, and have trained with NPC competitors.
My son who's 22 has been training for "years" along with most of the people in gyms across the world, lots of a people have got "ready" for a show but no mention of you competing in it, congrats, you can find NPC competitors in almost every LA or 24hr Fitness in the country...what's your point. none of this means anything. Show me a program (from you) starting from week 16 (or whenever you start a program) to the second someone walks on stage.
After all that, how can you imply that I know absolutely nothing about bodybuilding, diet and training? For a natural, I have decent size without doing any drugs. Clearly, I know something about training and diet.
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So, how could I have made gains if I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about training? I obviously must know a little. No?
Anyway, I don't have to find you a program to know that drugs are more important than diet and training. The proof is in the pudding regarding drugs in bodybuilding.
Everyone here pretty much agrees with my sentiments, including people who know more than me such as Fortress. Fortress even backed up what I said and he has trained with pros and even wrote for bodybuilding magazine(s). Others here, who have a lifelong of training, competing, and training with others, including pros, also agree with me.
Plain and simple: You're wrong and will continue to be wrong.
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So, how could I have made gains if I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about training? I obviously must know a little. No?
Anyway, I don't have to find you a program to know that drugs are more important than diet and training. The proof is in the pudding regarding drugs in bodybuilding.
Everyone here pretty much agrees with my sentiments, including people who know more than me such as Fortress. Fortress even backed up what I said and he has trained with pros and even wrote for bodybuilding magazine(s). Others here, who have a lifelong of training, competing, and training with others, including pros, also agree with me.
Plain and simple: You're wrong and will continue to be wrong.
I don't care. Give me a sample of a complete program from start to finish...include drugs and the last two week leading up to the stage.
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I don't care. Give me a sample of a complete program from start to finish...include drugs and the last two week leading up to the stage.
What type of program? There are different programs for different endeavors.
You also won't address how guys like Fortress, who knows just as much as you about training, diet and drugs, 100% agrees with my sentiments.
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lol, yeah, that is the sad part.
Of course, the day of the show is the only thing that matters, but damn, for a Mr. Olympia, that looks pretty bad. :-X :-X
contrast that with these guys 24-7-365 everyday condition.
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contrast that with these guys 24-7-365 everyday condition.
Crazy!!
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What type of program? There are different programs for different endeavors.
You also won't address how guys like Fortress, who knows just as much as you about training, diet and drugs, 100% agrees with my sentiments.
Contest prep. We are talking about bodybuilding, aren't we? I'm 10 days out as of today. Am I relying more on drugs or on diet in these final days? What am I keeping in, what am I taking out? Do I get a cheat meal? When should I start depleting? Do i deplete? If I deplete, do I use a diet or drugs to deplete? If it's both, what's more important? Should I do a loading phase? If so, how should I do it? During this phase, is it more drugs or diet? Whatever you choose that takes precedence, explain what drugs and why. If it's diet, explain what foods and why? If it's both, explain how I use one to coincide with the other.
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Contest prep. We are talking about bodybuilding, aren't we? I'm 10 days out as of today. Am I relying more on drugs or on diet in these final days? What am I keeping in, what am I taking out? Do I get a cheat meal? When should I start depleting? Do i deplete? If I deplete, do I use a diet or drugs to deplete? If it's both, what's more important? Should I do a loading phase? If so, how should I do it? During this phase, is it more drugs or diet? Whatever you choose that takes precedence, explain what drugs and why. If it's diet, explain what foods and why? If it's both, explain how I use one to coincide with the other.
You would not be able to step on stage and look as you do if it wasn't for drugs.
What else is there to say? Again, Fortress and others have agreed with my sentiments.
I also don't understand why you're being triggered by a discussion. ??? ??? Most here disagree with you on this topic such as Fortress and Oldtimer, and they know just as much as you do about this stuff.
It's simple: all parts matter such as drugs, diet and training. It's just that overall, drugs matter more. I think you even know this.
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You would not be able to step on stage and look as you do if it wasn't for drugs.
What else is there to say? Again, Fortress and others have agreed with my sentiments.
I also don't understand why you're being triggered by a discussion. ??? ??? Most here disagree with you on this topic such as Fortress and Oldtimer, and they know just as much as you do about this stuff.
It's simple: all parts matter such as drugs, diet and training. It's just that overall, drugs matter more. I think you even know this.
You keep moving the goal posts. I NEVER said you could compete without it. You said you knew. I asked for you to give a sample program.
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You keep moving the goal posts. I NEVER said you could compete without it. You said you knew. I asked for you to give a sample program.
Why would I need to give a sample program.
All I stated was that drugs are more important than diet and training, but that diet and training still do play a part. That's a fact.
Furthermore, think of it like this: When I go to the doctor and the doctor gives me an antibiotic, I don't have to know more than him or develop my own treatment, to trust what he says. In the same sense, other people who know more than me and possibly you, have backed up my sentiments. That's my evidence. I don't need to do anything more.
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He looks 1000x better than this guy
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=653801.0;attach=774678;image)
Even Goodrum takes him at this point.
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Contest prep. We are talking about bodybuilding, aren't we? I'm 10 days out as of today. Am I relying more on drugs or on diet in these final days? What am I keeping in, what am I taking out? Do I get a cheat meal? When should I start depleting? Do i deplete? If I deplete, do I use a diet or drugs to deplete? If it's both, what's more important? Should I do a loading phase? If so, how should I do it? During this phase, is it more drugs or diet? Whatever you choose that takes precedence, explain what drugs and why. If it's diet, explain what foods and why? If it's both, explain how I use one to coincide with the other.
Coach this is absolutely key, but when you're at the level these guys are at, things like diuretics and anadrol and whatever else they use to deplete, dehydrate, and stay full are all also very important. That part can also kill you
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You should know better than to ask anyone especially myself to share a name of anyone I’ve helped. There, now know how I know EXACTLY what at least these guys were/are taking.
Just to add, I’m kinda done sharing pretty much anything with anyone on here, I mean, since you guys have all trained and prepared people for shows that have won, competed yourselves and know the process inside and out, know about diet, training and drugs I’ll just sit back and watch. I mean seriously, when was the last time you went to show to at least get an idea? How often do you go? Or does everyone shit on bodybuilding all year around only to ask for the live streams each year of Arnold and Olympia’s only to comment “they wouldn’t be shit without drugs” if that’s the case, why watch? Why be on here even commenting on something you don’t know enough about ?
Let it go Coach - To Many Wind up Merchants on here to really have a meaningful discussion.
Let them say & Think whatever they want.
You’re in great condition & Competing - Let these other experts with their knowledge & experience
Also get in great contest condition & compete.
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contrast that with these guys 24-7-365 everyday condition.
Funk why do you think Serge made zero improvements in 35 years?
Jk amazing consistency...
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This contest will only be settled definitively by a throwing of hands.
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You would not be able to step on stage and look as you do if it wasn't for drugs.
What else is there to say? Again, Fortress and others have agreed with my sentiments.
I also don't understand why you're being triggered by a discussion. ??? ??? Most here disagree with you on this topic such as Fortress and Oldtimer, and they know just as much as you do about this stuff.
It's simple: all parts matter such as drugs, diet and training. It's just that overall, drugs matter more. I think you even know this.
If he admits that drugs are the most important part in BB then he 's not special , Trust me he knows without drugs he looks like shit, I've competed in natural BB shows without drugs or taking any supplements , just whey protein, I've won two shows, 1 second place ,and 1 third place ,I have prepared my wife for many shows she won more than 20 overalls, no drugs or supplements , but this fat midget thinks he's the only one that knows about lifting and dieting ::)
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Funk why do you think Serge made zero improvements in 35 years?
Jk amazing consistency...
he actually claimed to shrink his waist every year by small increments after his competition years. that was his main goal
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Contest prep. We are talking about bodybuilding, aren't we? I'm 10 days out as of today. Am I relying more on drugs or on diet in these final days? What am I keeping in, what am I taking out? Do I get a cheat meal? When should I start depleting? Do i deplete? If I deplete, do I use a diet or drugs to deplete? If it's both, what's more important? Should I do a loading phase? If so, how should I do it? During this phase, is it more drugs or diet? Whatever you choose that takes precedence, explain what drugs and why. If it's diet, explain what foods and why? If it's both, explain how I use one to coincide with the other.
you can't go wrong consulting the master blaster's bible for all your contest needs. :D :D :D :D :D
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If he admits that drugs are the most important part in BB then he 's not special , Trust me he knows without drugs he looks like shit, I've competed in natural BB shows without drugs or taking any supplements , just whey protein, I've won two shows, 1 second place ,and 1 third place ,I have prepared my wife for many shows she won more than 20 overalls, no drugs or supplements , but this fat midget thinks he's the only one that knows about lifting and dieting ::)
Your incompetent ass can’t even comprehend what I wrote in response to SF...lol.
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The weird thing is that Coach has said to me countless times that I have a good physique for a recreational, natural lifetime lifter.
Now, because I hurt his feelings, all of a sudden I am not even a 150 pounds soaking wet lol. :D :D :D
Gotta love getbig. :D :D :D
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Your incompetent ass can’t even comprehend what I wrote in response to SF...lol.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=647369.0;attach=764487;image)
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Of the three factors being discussed: Nutrition, training, and hormones; I'm not sure it matters as to what is more important because if even one is neglected then everything falls apart.
Look at, say, an offseason prime Jay Cutler. He claimed to eat 8-10 meals a day to maintain and grow muscle mass. If he dropped to three meals even with the drugs and hard training within six months he'd look like an entirely different person. If maintained the diet, took hormones but stopped training entirely then again it would be a huge difference. Same with training and eating but off hormones entirely.
I do think that if you go off drugs but still keep an intense training routine and follow a good diet that difference, the lost of pro-level physique, wouldn't be as dramatic then if you continued to take drugs and eat well but zero training.
People like to point out how much a bber has shrunk in retirement and use that as proof that it's "all drugs". But don't you think that the fact they are no longer training and eating as much also play a huge factor.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=647369.0;attach=764487;image)
that's not jose raymond
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Leg day 10 days out today right after I shot myself up with a bottle Tren A, 1000mg test and 8 halo's but this is the norm so this workout is all drugs (and you'll actually believe this)
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Of the three factors being discussed: Nutrition, training, and hormones; I'm not sure it matters as to what is more important because if even one is neglected then everything falls apart.
Look at, say, an offseason prime Jay Cutler. He claimed to eat 8-10 meals a day to maintain and grow muscle mass. If he dropped to three meals even with the drugs and hard training within six months he'd look like an entirely different person. If maintained the diet, took hormones but stopped training entirely then again it would be a huge difference. Same with training and eating but off hormones entirely.
I do think that if you go off drugs but still keep an intense training routine and follow a good diet that difference, the lost of pro-level physique, wouldn't be as dramatic then if you continued to take drugs and eat well but zero training.
People like to point out how much a bber has shrunk in retirement and use that as proof that it's "all drugs". But don't you think that the fact they are no longer training and eating as much also play a huge factor.
Pellis gets it and to the Jay Cutler point, even at my size I'm still eating 7 meals and if I miss one I'll drop a couple of pounds at this point NO MATTER WHAT I OR ANYONE ELSE TAKES.
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The weird thing is that Coach has said to me countless times that I have a good physique for a recreational, natural lifetime lifter.
Now, because I hurt his feelings, all of a sudden I am not even a 150 pounds soaking wet lol. :D :D :D
Gotta love getbig. :D :D :D
Just because you're 150 soak and wet doesn't mean you don't have a good physique. Don't take it personally cupcake.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=647369.0;attach=764487;image)
It’s Jose Marino
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It’s Jose Marino
Even Tito said I looked like him. Nice 10 year old pic tho
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Of the three factors being discussed: Nutrition, training, and hormones; I'm not sure it matters as to what is more important because if even one is neglected then everything falls apart.
Look at, say, an offseason prime Jay Cutler. He claimed to eat 8-10 meals a day to maintain and grow muscle mass. If he dropped to three meals even with the drugs and hard training within six months he'd look like an entirely different person. If maintained the diet, took hormones but stopped training entirely then again it would be a huge difference. Same with training and eating but off hormones entirely.
I do think that if you go off drugs but still keep an intense training routine and follow a good diet that difference, the lost of pro-level physique, wouldn't be as dramatic then if you continued to take drugs and eat well but zero training.
People like to point out how much a bber has shrunk in retirement and use that as proof that it's "all drugs". But don't you think that the fact they are no longer training and eating as much also play a huge factor.
Not really. Paul Dillet trained pretty horrible (don't know how his diet was) and was still a monster who was pretty successful in the IFBB game. We already know that there are loads of pros who train like garbage and look fantastic due to exceptional genetics and the right drugs. Are they all Mr. Olympia? Nope. But they still became an IFBB pro. That's saying enough. Further, when pros go off all the drugs, but continue to train and eat right, most of them look like a shell of their former selves. Again, I am reluctant to put training and diet on the same exact playing field as drugs.
Again, when all three are combined (drugs, training, and diet) then you may produce a Mr. Olympia. However, with the right drug stack and genetics, an IFBB pro can still be relatively successful, even if diet and training are somewhat lacking.
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Not really. Paul Dillet trained pretty horrible (don't know how his diet was) and was still a monster who was pretty successful in the IFBB game. We already know that there are loads of pros who train like garbage and look fantastic due to exceptional genetics and the right drugs. Are they all Mr. Olympia? Nope. But they still became an IFBB pro. That's saying enough. Further, when pros go off all the drugs, but continue to train and eat right, most of them look like a shell of their former selves. Again, I am reluctant to put training and diet on the same exact playing field as drugs.
Again, when all three are combined (drugs, training, and diet) then you may produce a Mr. Olympia. However, with the right drug stack and genetics, an IFBB pro can still be relatively successful, even if diet and training are somewhat lacking.
smh
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Even Goodrum takes him at this point.
Vince looks pretty good here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=284826.0;attach=325270;image)
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Even Tito said I looked like him. Nice 10 year old pic tho
Always loved Tito’s physique, how much you reckon he weighs these days? His conditioning is always on point, everyday look. Still very strong
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Pellis gets it and to the Jay Cutler point, even at my size I'm still eating 7 meals and if I miss one I'll drop a couple of pounds at this point NO MATTER WHAT I OR ANYONE ELSE TAKES.
Going twice a day to Golds, Coach?
Woooow. The cost of Gas is higher than food lately
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Always loved Tito’s physique, how much you reckon he weighs these days? His conditioning is always on point, everyday look. Still very strong
Tito probably weighs somewhere around 175-180. He's been a trainer at Golds for a long time. Does mostly the functional stuff. Still a great physique tho
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Going twice a day to Golds, Coach?
Woooow. The cost of Gas is higher than food lately
No, not twice there. I'll finish here at home.
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One became Mr Olympia ,the other one couldn't even crack top 3 in a non tested state show .
Drugs are not very important ::)
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One became Mr Olympia ,the other one couldn't even crack top 3 in a non tested state show .
Drugs are not very important ::)
Maybe you should have stuck with it then. That could have been one problem. Shawn realized his genetic potential, you didn't. Very few do. But I guess you're saying if you would have took the same thing a Mr. Olympia took, you could have been Mr. olympia as well?
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Silence is a lie in the darkness that scampers like a cockroach toward the shadows at the breaking of day. Today's bodybuilding is all drugs. It has been this way for decades now and is made all the more apparent by the sight of "champs" off season. We've all see the bloated beige whale carcass that is the Philsbury Schmoeboy when he's carrying so much water he must have gills to breathe under it all.
So why should Rhoden not do the same? So long as Phildo loses and Kai is left holding the wang instead of the Sandow, I don't give a lah-dee-fooking-dah who wins this year's SchmOelympia.
I also wish Coach all the luck in his contest. He at least admits to taking that crap so that he doesn't look like relative shit on the dais. If he doesn't tell us what and how much he is taking, who really cares? I don't and I'm as anti-drugs as anyone can be.
Phildo is an incompetent blowhard and he deserves to go the way of the Coleman.
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Maybe you should have stuck with it then. That could have been one problem. Shawn realized his genetic potential, you didn't. Very few do. But I guess you're saying if you would have took the same thing a Mr. Olympia took, you could have been Mr. olympia as well?
I never wanted to be a bodybuilder ,I competed because a lot of bodybuilders at my gym were telling me that I should compete , if I used steroids I could have been Mr Olympia? , who the fuck knows.
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One became Mr Olympia ,the other one couldn't even crack top 3 in a non tested state show .
Drugs are not very important ::)
You need blue stars!!!
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You need blue stars!!!
Kindly STFU you revolting butt-succubus.
And again, you did this you feckless retard.
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One became Mr Olympia ,the other one couldn't even crack top 3 in a non tested state show .
Drugs are not very important ::)
Che you win this pose.
Do we know for sure Shawn is drug free in his pic?
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Che you win this pose.
Do we know for sure Shawn is drug free in his pic?
I believe he was drug free in that pic.
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I believe he was drug free in that pic.
Do you know for sure? Many people will tell other that they are drug free because they're embarrassed to be using drugs.
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Do you know for sure? Many people will tell other that they are drug free because they're embarrassed to be using drugs.
He said in an interview that he was drug free in that picture.
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You need blue stars!!!
Vince Goodrum has blue stars , :-\
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Che you win this pose.
Do we know for sure Shawn is drug free in his pic?
I don't know , he looks natural to me .
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He said in an interview that he was drug free in that picture.
You cant judge drug useage by a bodybuilder based on a picture.
Is he still drug free today? Someone said Shawn was drug free in his most recent pic.
If he is drug free he became a better bodybuilder than Che, but Che is the better poster.
And I think he once made Oscar De la hoya tap out in a street fight
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You cant judge drug useage by a bodybuilder based on a picture.
Is he still drug free today? Someone said Shawn was drug free in his most recent pic.
If he is drug free he became a better bodybuilder than Che, but Che is the better poster.
And I think he once made Oscar De la hoya tap out in a street fight
Haha , Oscar beat the shit out of me but he didn't knock me out .
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Haha , Oscar beat the shit out of me but he didn't knock me out .
Well I think you're to humble. Oscar may have caught you on a bad day but you've decisively beaten the 2018 champ in the front lat spread.
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Well I think you're to humble. Oscar may have caught you on a bad day but you've decisively beaten the 2018 champ in the front lat spread.
You are the best poster on Getbig ,no doubt
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You are the best poster on Getbig ,no doubt
This is what I'm talking about, you're way too kind. I may be a top 100 poster, somewhere after el numero uno and right above navy mike, but you make sound like one of the greats.
Great posters like you make guys like me look better. You carry mediocre posters to respectability.
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You cant judge drug useage by a bodybuilder based on a picture.
Is he still drug free today? Someone said Shawn was drug free in his most recent pic.
If he is drug free he became a better bodybuilder than Che, but Che is the better poster.
And I think he once made Oscar De la hoya tap out in a street fight
He was no way drug free in his recent pic, most likely down in dosages and compounds, but not off everything
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Haha , Oscar beat the shit out of me but he didn't knock me out .
Wow!!!
What year did this happen?
I have a follow-up to that if you don't mind answering.
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Wow!!!
What year did this happen?
I have a follow-up to that if you don't mind answering.
Matt I'll be answering for Che and he will correct any inaccurate facts.
The year doesn't matter as they kind of run together after a while, Oscar will remember the year. Its not often you get the better of a get bigger.
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Matt I'll be answering for Che and he will any inaccurate facts.
The year doesn't matter as they kind of run together after a while, Oscar will remember the year. Its not often you get the better of a get bigger.
Fascinating stuff!!!
I cut off my home phone and internet to see if I was addicted to it, and only have the internet on this $80 Wal-Mart Alcatel smartphone [it probably costs $30 in USD].
But anyway, check the GSP Strombo interview. It should be found by just typing GSP Strombo in YouTube
Could the Oscar de la Hoya reference be referring to his fight with che???
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Which Getbigger had/has the wife with the lovely butthole that didn't mind if pics of her ballon knot were posted here?
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Which Getbigger is the bottom with the lovely butthole that didn't mind if pics of his ballon knot were posted here?
That would be The Scott.
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Which Getbigger had/has the wife with the lovely butthole that didn't mind if pics of her ballon knot were posted here?
Wow.
I've never had anal before. Is it good?
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Fascinating stuff!!!
I cut off my home phone and internet to see if I was addicted to it, and only have the internet on this $80 Wal-Mart Alcatel smartphone [it probably costs $30 in USD].
But anyway, check the GSP Strombo interview. It should be found by just typing GSP Strombo in YouTube
Could the Oscar de la Hoya reference be referring to his fight with che???
Matt it does sound like you're addicted. A recent study has shown that 47% men between the ages of 18 -45 have a home phone addiction. Cold Turkey is the only known remedy but purchasing a cell phone to use in place of the land line is the wrong thing to do.
You may have discovered the correct boxing match however I would be remiss if I didnt inform I was also involved in a fight with Oscar once and I emerged victorious, however he had been retired for several years at that point.
Long story I had purchased a ppv that was promoted by GoldenBoy productions and approximately 90 minutes in the feed was gone. I immediately called my cable provider who put me through to the GBP home offices where I DEMANDED an immediate refund which I promptly received, this was in addition to a voucher for the next ppv.
So in a way I avenged Che that day but I wouldn't be aware of it until I made this post.
Thanks for helping me to come to this conclusion Matt. Your addiction has been a benefit for all of getbig.
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Matt it does sound like you're addicted. A recent study has shown that 47% men between the ages of 18 -45 have a home phone addiction. Cold Turkey is the only known remedy but purchasing a cell phone to use in place of the land line is the wrong thing to do.
You may have discovered the correct boxing match however I would be remiss if I didnt inform I was also involved in a fight with Oscar once and I emerged victorious, however he had been retired for several years at that point.
Long story I had purchased a ppv that was promoted by GoldenBoy productions and approximately 90 minutes in the feed was gone. I immediately called my cable provider who put me through to the GBP home offices where I DEMANDED an immediate refund which I promptly received, this was in addition to a voucher for the next ppv.
So in a way I avenged Che that day but I wouldn't be aware of it until I made this post.
Thanks for helping me to come to this conclusion Matt. Your addiction has been a benefit for all of getbig.
Wait...is che's Oscar de la Hoya story made up too? ;D
On a serious note, I have been smoking cigarettes a bit lately...2 in the past 4 days.
Do you have any suggestions about this? Should I just end it? Is there any way a person can just smoke a few here and there?
Frankly, I see no way for me to do that. It has to be cold turkey quitting, and zero cigarettes after.
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Wow.
I've never had anal before. Is it good?
;D
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That would be The Scott.
Wow.
I've never had anal before. Is it good?
:D
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You can't judge him 19 weeks from the show. Its not right.
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! When you are Mr. Olympia you hold that title for the full year!!!!!!!! He is the worst ever I put Dickerson above this clown!!!!!!!
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Not really. Paul Dillet trained pretty horrible (don't know how his diet was) and was still a monster who was pretty successful in the IFBB game. We already know that there are loads of pros who train like garbage and look fantastic due to exceptional genetics and the right drugs. Are they all Mr. Olympia? Nope. But they still became an IFBB pro. That's saying enough. Further, when pros go off all the drugs, but continue to train and eat right, most of them look like a shell of their former selves. Again, I am reluctant to put training and diet on the same exact playing field as drugs.
Again, when all three are combined (drugs, training, and diet) then you may produce a Mr. Olympia. However, with the right drug stack and genetics, an IFBB pro can still be relatively successful, even if diet and training are somewhat lacking.
It's not saying enough. You can take any magic stack you want, and never mind diet and training lacking, say it is Basile-expert-inspired-perfect DOMS training, this is no sure-fire ticket to success in the field (and you can be successful without ever winning anything).
Think of all the well know bbers that were never successful. Tons of them that have come and gone in the magazines and NPC shows. And these are the above average ones. Now multiply that 1000 fold.
Now take two clones. Both follow the same healthy bbing friendly diet, whatever that means. One trains but is completely natural. One leads a sedentary lifestyle but takes hormones. Who wins? Who is healthier and has a better physique? Yes, I read the study about the group that gained muscle just using drugs with no training. But how long is that growth spurt going to keep going? That's why they give cows finaplex during the last 8 weeks before slaughter. And a study has shown that muscle gain on just drugs and even myostatin inhibitors lack the functional ability that trained muscle has. But that is neither here nor there and but I will try to look up the study.
Training, drugs, that's the easy part. The hardest part and the one where most fail is the diet. Most people have no idea how huge a role nutrition plays and how often a bber has to eat. And eating when you are not hungry is hard. Very, very hard. Trying to keep that up for years and years. You can't hold a regular job when you have to eat CONSISTENTLY every few hours. Ronnie had a job where he could make a quick run to his house and could pack food in his car and eat on the job. Go-4-it claims he is surrounded by food and can down 7 eggs in five minutes. But that just goes to prove that eating is a job for a competitive bber.
And then there's the other side of the coin -- the dieting. The self-deprivation during prep. The idea of even going hungry in our culture for more than an hour because you had to skip lunch means "you're starving". These are things a normal person has no conception of.
I've never been a competitive bber but have been involved with a few high-level ones. I've also been seriously involved in competitive sports for most of my life so have some notion of what a person will do and sacrifice to win. I don't think there is a sport/activity more all-consuming, more demanding, than high-level competitive bodybuilding. It's 24/7. Virtually everything you do, think and feel has an effect when you are sub 5% and dry as a bone. What they put themselves through is far, far beyond what a normal person can even comprehend.
To just dismiss it as all drugs... OK, you try it. Don't even enter a show but train like you are and post your pictures here. I know ignorant Commie lovers like Che will say he competed. Yeah, OK. But I said high-level competitive bbing. Taking it to the limits.
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Not really. Paul Dillet trained pretty horrible (don't know how his diet was) and was still a monster who was pretty successful in the IFBB game. We already know that there are loads of pros who train like garbage and look fantastic due to exceptional genetics and the right drugs. Are they all Mr. Olympia? Nope. But they still became an IFBB pro. That's saying enough. Further, when pros go off all the drugs, but continue to train and eat right, most of them look like a shell of their former selves. Again, I am reluctant to put training and diet on the same exact playing field as drugs.
Again, when all three are combined (drugs, training, and diet) then you may produce a Mr. Olympia. However, with the right drug stack and genetics, an IFBB pro can still be relatively successful, even if diet and training are somewhat lacking.
What you aren't addressing is the importance of quarter pounders with cheese as they pertain to homeless men brandishing semi flaccid cocks.
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It's not saying enough. You can take any magic stack you want, and never mind diet and training lacking, say it is Basile-expert-inspired-perfect DOMS training, this is no sure-fire ticket to success in the field (and you can be successful without ever winning anything).
Think of all the well know bbers that were never successful. Tons of them that have come and gone in the magazines and NPC shows. And these are the above average ones. Now multiply that 1000 fold.
Now take two clones. Both follow the same healthy bbing friendly diet, whatever that means. One trains but is completely natural. One leads a sedentary lifestyle but takes hormones. Who wins? Who is healthier and has a better physique? Yes, I read the study about the group that gained muscle just using drugs with no training. But how long is that growth spurt going to keep going? That's why they give cows finaplex during the last 8 weeks before slaughter. And a study has shown that muscle gain on just drugs and even myostatin inhibitors lack the functional ability that trained muscle has. But that is neither here nor there and but I will try to look up the study.
Training, drugs, that's the easy part. The hardest part and the one where most fail is the diet. Most people have no idea how huge a role nutrition plays and how often a bber has to eat. And eating when you are not hungry is hard. Very, very hard. Trying to keep that up for years and years. You can't hold a regular job when you have to eat CONSISTENTLY every few hours. Ronnie had a job where he could make a quick run to his house and could pack food in his car and eat on the job. Go-4-it claims he is surrounded by food and can down 7 eggs in five minutes. But that just goes to prove that eating is a job for a competitive bber.
And then there's the other side of the coin -- the dieting. The self-deprivation during prep. The idea of even going hungry in our culture for more than an hour because you had to skip lunch means "you're starving". These are things a normal person has no conception of.
I've never been a competitive bber but have been involved with a few high-level ones. I've also been seriously involved in competitive sports for most of my life so have some notion of what a person will do and sacrifice to win. I don't think there is a sport/activity more all-consuming, more demanding, than high-level competitive bodybuilding. It's 24/7. Virtually everything you do, think and feel has an effect when you are sub 5% and dry as a bone. What they put themselves through is far, far beyond what a normal person can even comprehend.
To just dismiss it as all drugs... OK, you try it. Don't even enter a show but train like you are and post your pictures here. I know ignorant Commie lovers like Che will say he competed. Yeah, OK. But I said high-level competitive bbing. Taking it to the limits.
You make some very good points
Competing is a 24/7 job let alone competing at a high level.
A good percentage of those that post on here come across
As they either don’t go to a gym or go very haphazardly and
Barely have any kind of Bodybuilding diet.
They come across as jealous & ignorant - With there mantra of
It’s all Drugs - Yet None Take the all Drugs Route & Go On To Be
Top Level Bodybuilders as They Claim its So Easy.
I’ve come to the conclusion some are playing mind games as they
Think they are clever & others are sad people their only thing is
Slagging off & trying to put others down to make themselves
Feel better about their miserable life.
Yourself and others who post as themselves with pictures who have
Lives & Have Achieved & competed (MMA in your case) Constantly
Get grief from these dismissive / basement dweller types.
Let Just tell them the Truth They Want To Hear
All Sports at High Level are All Drugs
And they’d be up there with them if they went
All Drugs.
There they should be Happy Now.
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It's not saying enough. You can take any magic stack you want, and never mind diet and training lacking, say it is Basile-expert-inspired-perfect DOMS training, this is no sure-fire ticket to success in the field (and you can be successful without ever winning anything).
Think of all the well know bbers that were never successful. Tons of them that have come and gone in the magazines and NPC shows. And these are the above average ones. Now multiply that 1000 fold.
Now take two clones. Both follow the same healthy bbing friendly diet, whatever that means. One trains but is completely natural. One leads a sedentary lifestyle but takes hormones. Who wins? Who is healthier and has a better physique? Yes, I read the study about the group that gained muscle just using drugs with no training. But how long is that growth spurt going to keep going? That's why they give cows finaplex during the last 8 weeks before slaughter. And a study has shown that muscle gain on just drugs and even myostatin inhibitors lack the functional ability that trained muscle has. But that is neither here nor there and but I will try to look up the study.
Training, drugs, that's the easy part. The hardest part and the one where most fail is the diet. Most people have no idea how huge a role nutrition plays and how often a bber has to eat. And eating when you are not hungry is hard. Very, very hard. Trying to keep that up for years and years. You can't hold a regular job when you have to eat CONSISTENTLY every few hours. Ronnie had a job where he could make a quick run to his house and could pack food in his car and eat on the job. Go-4-it claims he is surrounded by food and can down 7 eggs in five minutes. But that just goes to prove that eating is a job for a competitive bber.
And then there's the other side of the coin -- the dieting. The self-deprivation during prep. The idea of even going hungry in our culture for more than an hour because you had to skip lunch means "you're starving". These are things a normal person has no conception of.
I've never been a competitive bber but have been involved with a few high-level ones. I've also been seriously involved in competitive sports for most of my life so have some notion of what a person will do and sacrifice to win. I don't think there is a sport/activity more all-consuming, more demanding, than high-level competitive bodybuilding. It's 24/7. Virtually everything you do, think and feel has an effect when you are sub 5% and dry as a bone. What they put themselves through is far, far beyond what a normal person can even comprehend.
To just dismiss it as all drugs... OK, you try it. Don't even enter a show but train like you are and post your pictures here. I know ignorant Commie lovers like Che will say he competed. Yeah, OK. But I said high-level competitive bbing. Taking it to the limits.
There is no sense in addressing your diatribe, for the sole fact that I have said countless times that its a mixture of drugs, training, diet, and genetics. However, if we were to break it down, drugs are definitely more important than diet and training. I am reluctant to say they are all equal in terms of bodybuilding success. They aren't. I don't dismiss diet and training, but they are not as important as drugs and genetics.
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There is no sense in addressing your diatribe, for the sole fact that I have said countless times that its a mixture of drugs, training, diet, and genetics. However, if we were to break it down, drugs are definitely more important than diet and training. I am reluctant to say they are all equal in terms of bodybuilding success. They aren't. I don't dismiss diet and training, but they are not as important as drugs and genetics.
Ask Ronnie Coleman, what did he do different from 1997 to 98 winning the O, it certainly wasn’t dieting or training, he admitted to taking “this vitamin with this vitamin” that he learned from flex and Kevin
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I thought it was the vodka trick Levrone taught him.
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There is no sense in addressing your diatribe, for the sole fact that I have said countless times that its a mixture of drugs, training, diet, and genetics. However, if we were to break it down, drugs are definitely more important than diet and training. I am reluctant to say they are all equal in terms of bodybuilding success. They aren't. I don't dismiss diet and training, but they are not as important as drugs and genetics.
Diatribe?
Paul Dillet, one year good diet, optimum training protocol, natural.
Paul Dillet2, one year same good diet, two grams of gear a week, no training sedentary life style.
Who wins?
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Diatribe?
Paul Dillet, one year good diet, optimum training protocol, natural.
Paul Dillet2, one year same good diet, two grams of gear a week, no training sedentary life style.
Who wins?
I never said one didn’t have to train at all to be an IFBB pro.
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I never said one didn’t have to train at all to be an IFBB pro.
I didn't say you did. But this scenario puts into perspective and priority the role of drugs versus training.
I didn't mean to imply that you meant "all drugs" but is that really the most important factor? That it's finding the right stack that will put you in the winner's circle or even get you a pro card.
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There a study similar to this.
Men who trained naturally gained less lean mass that sedentary men on 600 mg per week of test over 3 months. I believe the sedentary testosterone users gained twice as much lean mass as the natural trainers.
(https://i.ibb.co/1bc0TGD/alldrugs.jpg)
On 2000 mg per week the difference would be even greater.
You think the 50 lb mass difference between pros and naturals are due to super secret amazing diet and training protocols of the pros?
This has already been addressed. Try to keep up.
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This has already been addressed. Try to keep up.
Pellius so given that study and those percentages would you stand your position on drugs and where they sit on importance?
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I didn't say you did. But this scenario puts into perspective and priority the role of drugs versus training.
I didn't mean to imply that you meant "all drugs" but is that really the most important factor? That it's finding the right stack that will put you in the winner's circle or even get you a pro card.
It's not a good scenario because it's not my position at all, so I am not going to address a question that is not my position. Further, you are providing in implausible scenario to try and prove your point. No on here is saying that you don't need to train.
Yes, drugs are the most important factor, but not the only factor. However, they are the priority for any IFBB pro.
And the study on the previous page strongly suggest that drugs are more important than training.
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The problem with Mr PEDO is that he uses himself as the measurement stick ,he has been juicing for years and still look like shit due to his horrible genetics, I agree with Mr PEDO all the drugs in the world wouldn't make him an IFBB pro ever , but anyone with average genetic ,decent diet , consistent training and consistency with his drug regime can become an IFBB PRO, once you are a PRO the factors that will decide how far will you get are , genetics (shape and condition ),money ( to up the dosage) and how much risk are you willing to take when it comes to your health , but if you already got this far , I don't think you give a fuck about your health anyways.
Examples:
Shit genetics on steroids
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=439767.0;attach=484300;image)(https://i.imgur.com/iEZWyt0.png)
IFBB Pros with average genetics
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JB5_2794wtmk_ZXXINMANJT.JPG) (https://cdn-ami-drupal.heartyhosting.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/desktop_responsivecustom_user_mobile_1x/public/flex/171998.jpg?itok=DwnAmPlE×tamp=1344354038)
Blacks vs white genetics. They are superior for B.B. Pellius, don’t know what that is, black guy with bad genetics?
IFBB Pros with great genetics
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AQDoQ2I01ks/hqdefault.jpg)(https://i2.wp.com/muscleandbrawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kai-greene.jpg)
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To think dexter started out as a bantamweight, he’s naturally a very small individual
(https://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Transition.png)
How did this guy ever become a pro?? Haha
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_8678_FYXKCZCHOY.JPG)
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Pellius so given that study and those percentages would you stand your position on drugs and where they sit on importance?
This is a good question because of the many variables involved. One thing that I believe is the "deciding factor" is genetics. How you respond to training and drugs. It's a fallacy when one shows a picture of a young Levrone or Dexter looking so skinny and weak and claim that this is proof that it's the drugs that are the most determining factor. Being a skinny boy tells you nothing about that person's genetic RESPONSE to training and drugs.
Think of all the variations growing with other kids around you and how variations of their response to a stimulus. In my high school, there were a couple of super responders that developed real advanced muscle development and far, far above average levels of strength. They did nothing that everybody else wasn't doing.
Back in the mid 1980 this is what Dr. Walczak, who treated all the big names at the time including Arnold and Franco, told me when I went to see him about being prescribed steroids which were legal at the time.
(to be continued)
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It's not a good scenario because it's not my position at all, so I am not going to address a question that is not my position. Further, you are providing in implausible scenario to try and prove your point. No on here is saying that you don't need to train.
Yes, drugs are the most important factor, but not the only factor. However, they are the priority for any IFBB pro.
And the study on the previous page strongly suggest that drugs are more important than training.
Ah, you've done this before. Providing a hypothetical, though it cannot be recreated in real life, in no way invalidates the point being argued. I don't have to actually go through the process of starving my myself or gorging myself to extrapolate the effect it will have.
We absolutely can make a reasonable prediction of what will happen if someone trains for a year naturally versus someone who takes drugs but is sedentary. I chose virtual clones to completely rule out any other factors or variations stemming from genetic predispositions but it wasn't necessary. I can just as easily compare me to Coach, who is vastly superior to me genetically but if he sat around on his ass for a year on gear whereas I trained hard naturally for a year I would be and look in better shape than he would.
As mentioned before, and subsequently ignored, the study quoted was done on previously untrained individuals. Virtually anything a neophyte does will yield results. Do you really think that a person will keep putting on muscle after about three months on drugs continue to gain muscle? You have no experience with steroids so you are not aware of the fact that your gains slow down considerably, or stop altogether, even when you are training and eating like a hardcore bber. That when you have to move on to insulin and HGH.
You don't want to answer a simple direct question because you think it might undermine your claims about drugs being "the most important" factor in muscle hypertrophy. This suggests that you are more concerned with promoting an agenda than seeking the truth.
I'll answer the question for you with an answer you will be unable to make an argument to
rationally dispute: of course, a person will be in much better shape and look better who trained naturally versus someone who just took drugs but lived the typical sedentary life of the average American.
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Ah, you've done this before. Providing a hypothetical, though it cannot be recreated in real life, in no way invalidates the point being argued. I don't have to actually go through the process of starving my myself or gorging myself to extrapolate the effect it will have.
We absolutely can make a reasonable prediction of what will happen if someone trains for a year naturally versus someone who takes drugs but is sedentary. I chose virtual clones to completely rule out any other factors or variations stemming from genetic predispositions but it wasn't necessary. I can just as easily compare me to Coach, who is vastly superior to me genetically but if he sat around on his ass for a year on gear whereas I trained hard naturally for a year I would be and look in better shape than he would.
As mentioned before, and subsequently ignored, the study quoted was done on previously untrained individuals. Virtually anything a neophyte does will yield results. Do you really think that a person will keep putting on muscle after about three months on drugs continue to gain muscle? You have no experience with steroids so you are not aware of the fact that your gains slow down considerably, or stop altogether, even when you are training and eating like a hardcore bber. That when you have to move on to insulin and HGH.
You don't want to answer a simple direct question because you think it might undermine your claims about drugs being "the most important" factor in muscle hypertrophy. This suggests that you are more concerned with promoting an agenda than seeking the truth.
I'll answer the question for you with an answer you will be unable to make an argument to
rationally dispute: of course, a person will be in much better shape and look better who trained naturally versus someone who just took drugs but lived the typical sedentary life of the average American.
Again, I have already conceded that training is still an important aspect of bodybuilding, so your whole statement means absolutely nothing. Thus, I did not read your whole statement. In fact, I barely skimmed it (besides the 2nd paragraph, first line).
At the end of the day, drugs and genetics are fundamentally more important than diet and training. It's just the way it is. Nothing you say will make my statement incorrect. It's undeniably true, despite the fact that you do not want to accept it.
You should just be honest with yourself and concede that the fundamental difference in bodybuilding, especially professional bodybuilding, is the drugs. Lying to yourself will not change this fact. It is what it is.
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The problem with Mr PEDO is that he uses himself as the measurement stick ,he has been juicing for years and still look like shit due to his horrible genetics, I agree with Mr PEDO all the drugs in the world wouldn't make him an IFBB pro ever , but anyone with average genetic ,decent diet , consistent training and consistency with his drug regime can become an IFBB PRO, once you are a PRO the factors that will decide how far will you get are , genetics (shape and condition ),money ( to up the dosage) and how much risk are you willing to take when it comes to your health , but if you already got this far , I don't think you give a fuck about your health anyways.
Examples:
Shit genetics on steroids
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=439767.0;attach=484300;image)(http://p0.ipstatp.com/large/005a3d7582b1c0a39d7e)
IFBB Pros with average genetics
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JB5_2794wtmk_ZXXINMANJT.JPG) (https://cdn-ami-drupal.heartyhosting.com/sites/muscleandfitness.com/files/styles/desktop_responsivecustom_user_mobile_1x/public/flex/171998.jpg?itok=DwnAmPlE×tamp=1344354038)
IFBB Pros with great genetics
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AQDoQ2I01ks/hqdefault.jpg)(https://i2.wp.com/muscleandbrawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/kai-greene.jpg)
Exactly correct. How far you get in professional bodybuilding is primarily one's genetic response to drugs, with diet and training being secondary factors. Drugs and genetics, to a large degree, are the deciding factor in professional bodybuilding.
If you have the right genetics and the right drug stack, you don't need superior dieting and training to become an IFBB pro.
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The problem with Mr PEDO is that he uses himself as the measurement stick ,he has been juicing for years and still look like shit due to his horrible genetics, I agree with Mr PEDO all the drugs in the world wouldn't make him an IFBB pro ever , but anyone with average genetic ,decent diet , consistent training and consistency with his drug regime can become an IFBB PRO, once you are a PRO the factors that will decide how far will you get are , genetics (shape and condition ),money ( to up the dosage) and how much risk are you willing to take when it comes to your health , but if you already got this far , I don't think you give a fuck about your health anyways.
First off, there has never been any proof that I am a pedophile. Nobody believes that. Not even you. People like you say it because they have nothing else. We do have proof that you are a Commie lover. That you admire a murderous, Communist, coward who responsible for the suffering and death of many innocent people. But chances are you didn't even know that until I had to educate you. You just bought in, like the ignorant sheep you are, that Che Guevara, was a freedom-fighting revolutionary and thought he looked cool in his tilted beret and swashbuckling beard.
You are correct that I don't have the genetics to be an IFBB pro nor had any aspirations to do so. Neither do you. Neither do most people. You seem to be oblivious to those who have tried and failed. Every heard of Rory Leidermeyer, Dave Palumbo, Matt Mendenhall, Trey Brewer... the list goes on. Now multiply that by a 10,000 to cover those that we never will hear from.
As far as your list to what it takes to succeed after you become a pro, I wouldn't disagree with that.
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Again, I have already conceded that training is still an important aspect of bodybuilding, so your whole statement means absolutely nothing. Thus, I did not read your whole statement. In fact, I barely skimmed it (besides the 2nd paragraph, first line).
At the end of the day, drugs and genetics are fundamentally more important than diet and training. It's just the way it is. Nothing you say will make my statement incorrect. It's undeniably true, despite the fact that you do not want to accept it.
You should just be honest with yourself and concede that the fundamental difference in bodybuilding, especially professional bodybuilding, is the drugs. Lying to yourself will not change this fact. It is what it is.
At the top of the top level, everyone is pretty much doing the same thing. Of course, there are variations but for the most part, they are trivial. At that level, being at it so long, knowing their body and it's response; they've pretty much optimized their training, their drug regime, their nutrition.
So they all train like it's their life's ambition, they're all hormonalized to the extreme, they eat like no other normal human could possibly do -- so why do some win and most lose?
You should just be honest with yourself and concede that the fundamental difference in bodybuilding, especially professional bodybuilding, is the genetics. Lying to yourself will not change this fact. It is what it is.
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First off, there has never been any proof that I am a pedophile. Nobody believes that. Not even you. People like you say it because they have nothing else. We do have proof that you are a Commie lover. That you admire a murderous, Communist, coward who responsible for the suffering and death of many innocent people. But chances are you didn't even know that until I had to educate you. You just bought in, like the ignorant sheep you are, that Che Guevara, was a freedom-fighting revolutionary and thought he looked cool in his tilted beret and swashbuckling beard.
You are correct that I don't have the genetics to be an IFBB pro nor had any aspirations to do so. Neither do you. Neither do most people. You seem to be oblivious to those who have tried and failed. Every heard of Rory Leidermeyer, Dave Palumbo, Matt Mendenhall, Trey Brewer... the list goes on. Now multiply that by a 10,000 to cover those that we never will hear from.
As far as your list to what it takes to succeed after you become a pro, I wouldn't disagree with that.
That’s a different era, if you are competing in today’s shows, your chances of becoming pro is greater than than the 80’s, 90’s, even early 2000’s. There are also different shows for you to turn pro like men’s physique, and they pass out pro cards waaaaay more than back then
We have guys on here that if they are serious, can turn pro, Go4it for example, my buddy Kevin perod did half assing it back in 2012 and he turned pro not even winning has class
Funny how you keep stating genetics but sf, I, along with others have stated that is the most important..... then it is drugs and response and the rest follows
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This is a good question because of the many variables involved. One thing that I believe is the "deciding factor" is genetics. How you respond to training and drugs. It's a fallacy when one shows a picture of a young Levrone or Dexter looking so skinny and weak and claim that this is proof that it's the drugs that are the most determining factor. Being a skinny boy tells you nothing about that person's genetic RESPONSE to training and drugs.
Think of all the variations growing with other kids around you and how variations of their response to a stimulus. In my high school, there were a couple of super responders that developed real advanced muscle development and far, far above average levels of strength. They did nothing that everybody else wasn't doing.
Back in the mid 1980 this is what Dr. Walczak, who treated all the big names at the time including Arnold and Franco, told me when I went to see him about being prescribed steroids which were legal at the time.
(to be continued)
Kevin and dexter have elite genetics but they are 5’6 and 5’9, they would never be 200 pounds and over, single digit bf levels if they are 100 percent natural. The drugs pushed them over the edge with their genetic response to be 220+ and 250+ at their respective height
I will go out on a limb they would have exceptional physiques when natural but not huge or big by any means cause cause naturally, as stated, they aren’t big guys at all. Their height and bone structure tell the story, same with flex, a very small man
Genetic response
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Again, I have already conceded that training is still an important aspect of bodybuilding, so your whole statement means absolutely nothing. Thus, I did not read your whole statement. In fact, I barely skimmed it (besides the 2nd paragraph, first line).
At the end of the day, drugs and genetics are fundamentally more important than diet and training. It's just the way it is. Nothing you say will make my statement incorrect. It's undeniably true, despite the fact that you do not want to accept it.
You should just be honest with yourself and concede that the fundamental difference in bodybuilding, especially professional bodybuilding, is the drugs. Lying to yourself will not change this fact. It is what it is.
Delusional. This is EXACTLY why I say most in this thread, especially SF have no clue what they're talking about
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Delusional. This is EXACTLY why I say most in this thread, especially SF have no clue what they're talking about
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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That’s a different era, if you are competing in today’s shows, your chances of becoming pro is greater than than the 80’s, 90’s, even early 2000’s. There are also different shows for you to turn pro like men’s physique, and they pass out pro cards waaaaay more than back then
We have guys on here that if they are serious, can turn pro, Go4it for example, my buddy Kevin perod did half assing it back in 2012 and he turned pro not even winning has class
Funny how you keep stating genetics but sf, I, along with others have stated that is the most important..... then it is drugs and response and the rest follows
author=SF1900 link=topic=653969.msg9216533#msg9216533 date=1558299387]
You should just be honest with yourself and concede that the fundamental difference in bodybuilding, especially professional bodybuilding, is the drugs. Lying to yourself will not change this fact. It is what it is.
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Just an outright lie. No one, after all these years and accusations have ever said that I molested a 13 year old girl let alone me. Why would I even say that on a public board?
You just made that up. What a lying piece of shit!!
You use to have Che Guevara as your avi. You chose his name as your board id. Both to honor him. You remove his picture only after you were educated as to the truth about him. You just followed the sheep and thought he was cool because someone like Santana wore a t-shirt with his face on it.
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::) case closed
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=615860.0;attach=690030;image)
That’s very disturbing if true
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Just an outright lie. No one, after all these years and accusations have ever said that I molested a 13 year old girl let alone me. Why would I even say that on a public board?
You just made that up. What a lying piece of shit!!
You use to have Che Guevara as your avi. You chose his name as your board id. Both to honor him. You remove his picture only after you were educated as to the truth about him. You just followed the sheep and thought he was cool because someone like Santana wore a t-shirt with his face on it.
Thank you for raising awareness regarding what a scumbag Che Guevara was, pellius.
Regarding your post, even if not photoshopped:
When I was also around 29, a 14-year-old girl pretty much did everything she could to take me home, given the age disparity. She was named after Peyton Manning, making her easy to find on Facebook, years later. She grew up to be very pretty, and is a little over 20 now.
Bottom line:
I didn't do anything to initiate any of that. She did everything, as I basically stood awkwardly and eventually ended the conversation. I was at my gym in a weight room that was under video surveillance. If not for that...I would have probably fled.
Incidentally, in Canada - legal age of consent was 14 until it changed to 16 under Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper.
But here's the thing: wtf does it matter if teenage girls hit on US?
Oh, I forgot - in the #MeToo era, EVERYTHING is the man's fault.
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::) case closed
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=615860.0;attach=690030;image)
A teenager stimulates a strip tease and that translates to me molesting her. Zero physical contact was made.
God you're a moron!
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Thank you for raising awareness regarding what a scumbag Che Guevara was, pellius.
Regarding your post, even if not photoshopped:
When I was also around 29, a 14-year-old girl pretty much did everything she could to take me home, given the age disparity. She was named after Peyton Manning, making her easy to find on Facebook, years later. She grew up to be very pretty, and is a little over 20 now.
Bottom line:
I didn't do anything to initiate any of that. She did everything, as I basically stood awkwardly and eventually ended the conversation. I was at my gym in a weight room that was under video surveillance. If not for that...I would have probably fled.
Incidentally, in Canada - legal age of consent was 14 until it changed to 16 under Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper.
But here's the thing: wtf does it matter if teenage girls hit on US?
Oh, I forgot - in the #MeToo era, EVERYTHING is the man's fault.
Che is just another example of the pussified Western male. Ignorant of history, too. Would love to sit him down and ask him basic questions about Western civilization and our system of government. I'm sure he supports the popular vote.
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And he's a hypocrite, too. He accuses me of molesting a teenage girl stimulating a strip tease in which I had no physical contact with, but in the same thread, he approves of Jason Ellis having sex with a 14 girl because it was "consensual" and then he married her to avoid going to jail.
What a POS phony.
Yes, "let's move on."
Case closed. You lose again you staggering dumb fuck.
Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Whatever , He didn't rape her it was consensual now they are married, let's move on.