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Are you a deluded atheist that believes in evolution? If so, this science video is for you.
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CREATION AND EVOLUTION
The majority of the information in this paper was collected by a registered Mechanical Engineer by the name of Bill Morgan. Bill is a lover of science and learning about science. He has studied the Creation versus Evolution debate for several years and has released this material to provide a clear, easy to understand case for Creation. This case for Creation will be built using science. Whether you are a Christian, an agnostic, or a convinced atheist, you should check out the following information on this vital topic. Every one has a right to believe whatever they want. However, it is a shame that many people dismiss belief in God as 'unscientific' or 'superstitious' without ever hearing its case. This information has been presented in many classroom settings and the common response is: "Why haven't we heard this information before?"
Many people will say that this information has NOT been heard before because it is unscientific and has no place in science education. Others will say it has never been heard because the schools and media are biased against the conclusions that are drawn by presenting Creation Science. You should decide for yourself! Let’s begin with some basic guidelines:
Do not believe a word you are about to hear until you listen to what is said, think about it, and test it. Then decide for yourself if you believe it or not. If you ever believe something simply because someone told you to believe it, you have NOT been educated, you have been indoctrinated. But if a case is presented to you, and you test it and find it to be valid, and then believe it, you have been educated. Rarely is someone encouraged to test the Theory of Evolution and dig into its details. But you are now being encouraged to test the Creation model presented in the following lecture. Test it against what the Theory of Evolution has to offer, and then you decide what to believe. You may discover that the common sense analysis of scientific data convincingly supports Creation. Unfortunately too many people have reached a conclusion on this subject based on emotion or peer pressure, and not the scientific data.
DEFINITIONS
Creation Model: What we observe today is the result of intelligent design, intelligent planning and purpose. A designer and planner used means beyond the natural laws of science (supernatural). Matter, energy and life originated at a point in time and originated from a supernatural source. Plants and animals are offspring of parents of the same kind, they do not have a single common ancestor. Plants and animals were created instantly. Humans were created instantly as humans (male and female). Humans are not related to apes or other animals.
Evolution Model: What we observe today is the result of chance events and long periods of time. There is no design and thus no designer behind anything in the Universe. Everything originated by way of natural processes subject to the natural laws of science over billions of years. The idea of supernatural intervention is rejected. Plants and animals are offspring from a single common ancestor. (Note: a few evolutionists say God used Evolution. “Evolutionist” in this paper implies those who deny God's existence. However, for theistic evolutionists, this paper intends to demonstrate that if God did use evolution to create, there is no scientific evidence that He did).
WHAT ARE THE STRONGEST ARGUMENTS FOR CREATION?
HERE ARE THE TOP TEN REASONS THE CREATION MODEL IS A BETTER EXPLANATION FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE CURRENT STATE OF THE UNIVERSE THAN THE EVOLUTION MODEL.
1. DESIGN
2. FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
3. SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
4. BIOGENESIS
5. LIVING ANIMALS
6. DEAD ANIMALS (FOSSILS)
7. THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION KEEPS EVOLVING
8. CAUSE AND EFFECT
9. EXTINCTION, NATURAL SELECTION AND SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST
10. LIFE, THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN MATERIAL
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1.) DESIGN
QUESTION: IS THE UNIVERSE DESIGNED?
Simple observation should reveal that the Universe is clearly the result of intelligent design, plan, and purpose. The Universe is incredibly orderly and complex. This is not the result of chance or natural events, it is the result of an intelligent designer. Consider the microscopic world of the atom with the precise mass ratio of the electron to the proton, or consider the large domain of our solar system with the precise masses and orbits of the planets. Consider photosynthesis, human reproduction, hearts, lungs, livers, kidneys, eyes, and so on. The conclusion that these complex systems are the result of an intelligent designer requires much less faith than the idea it arose by time and chance. Think about the “units of life” that come in pairs like eyes, ears, hands, feet, etc. – they are exactly alike, but yet they are exactly reversed – an incredible design feature – and the concept reproduces like a carbon copy.
We are not aware of any evolutionist literature that offers an explanation of how complex organs & systems evolved. THINK! How could something like human reproduction have evolved? How did half the population evolve male systems, and the other half evolve female systems that work together so precisely and in such incredible complexity to produce a baby? And the baby is not capable of producing offspring until many years later when it is suitably able to care for them – what an incredible design concept!
Mount Rushmore, as you probably know, consists of the facial images of four ex-Presidents on the side of a mountain. Suppose a tour guide told his tour group that those faces are "the result of billions of years of nature, such as glaciers, lightning and erosion." What would the tour group think? How long would the tour guide keep his job? He'd be fired by lunch time and his tour group would think he was insane. Those images obviously required planning, design, and an artist.
Suppose an anatomy teacher at your school taught that human faces are "the result of billions of years of nature, such as mutations, natural selection, etc." How long would this anatomy professor keep his job? Actually he would feel very secure in his job and might even be promoted to Dean. The anatomy professor who teaches that the human body appears to be the result of an intelligent design, is the one that potentially would be fired.
Look at your computer. Suppose we tried to convince you that a glass factory, a plastic factory, a metal factory, a paint factory, and a silicon factory all exploded, started on fire and mixed together. The result of this explosion, chemical reaction and time was your computer. You would never believe it. Your intellect and logic would cause you to passionately deny an explanation that an explosion and mixing of chemicals and time could ever produce something as functional and orderly as a computer.
Don't let anyone convince you that your body is the end product of an explosion, the mixing of chemicals and time. Your body is infinitely more complex than your computer. That is because it was made by a very intelligent designer!
2.) THE FIRST LAW of THERMODYNAMICS
QUESTION: HOW DID THE UNIVERSE GET HERE?
Ask the atheists to explain how they think the Universe originated. Did all the energy and matter in the Universe create itself by natural processes? The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed. Atheist beliefs contradict this basic law of science. Creationists recognize that energy and matter had a supernatural origin. This position does require faith, but it is in conjunction with the First Law and thus requires less faith than the atheist's position that it created itself from nothing.
Imagine that you could create a very special box. This box is sealed so that nothing can enter it from the outside, and there is nothing inside the box to begin with. If we came back to that box in 20 billion years, would there be anything inside of it? The First Law of Thermodynamics recognizes there will be nothing inside the box. Matter and energy do not appear from nothing. An atheist may say that since this entire Universe came from self-created matter and self created energy, it is possible an entire Universe may exist in that box.
3.) THE SECOND LAW of THERMODYNAMICS
QUESTION: HOW DID THE UNIVERSE BECOME SO ORDERLY? HOW DID THE UNIVERSE BECOME CHARGED WITH SO MUCH USEFUL ENERGY?
Question for an atheist: Did all the energy and matter in the Universe increase in complexity and order on its own? The Second Law states that in a closed system (like the Universe, the earth is not a closed system) over time, energy will become less available, systems will become more disordered and entropy will increase. This Law explains that the Universe is running out of available energy (energy that can do work, like the sun, coal, gasoline, etc.). The heat produced by burning gasoline is energy...but it cannot do any work until it is harnessed. The claim that the Universe originated as a compact bundle of matter that expanded (Big Bang) and self-created an orderly, energy filled Universe, severely violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Creationists believe a supernatural entity, working outside the natural laws of science gave order and available energy to the Creation. This requires faith, but much less faith than the belief that order and abundant energy appeared by chance.
4.) BIOGENESIS
QUESTION: HOW DID LIFE ORIGINATE?
Remember some of your Biology classes? Early in the semester the teacher taught you that spontaneous generation was impossible (Spontaneous generation was a belief that life originated from non-living things). People used to believe that bacteria could originate from broth, that rats could originate from garbage and maggots could originate from rotting meat. Over 130 years ago, Louis Pasteur conducted experiments that demonstrated the folly of spontaneous generation.
Later in the semester your teacher taught you evolution. Here is a quote from a current Biology text book: “Life cannot arise by spontaneous generation from inanimate material today, so far as we know, but conditions were very different when the earth was only a few billion years old. In that ancient environment, the origin of life was evidently possible and it is likely that at least the early stages of biological inception were inevitable.” Campbell, Nell; Biology, 1987, page 504. Do you see what this author did? He admitted spontaneous generation is impossible today, but he puts his faith in the belief that the early earth had some unknown different conditions in order for life to originate from inanimate material.
Statements similar to the one in Nell Campbell's text are very intellectually dishonest. Any person seeking scientific explanations to difficult questions should not accept an explanation that clearly violates a law of science in order to uphold a personal bias. Mr. Campbell knows Biogenesis presents a very significant stumbling block to his pro-evolution faith, since scientific (observed) knowledge tells us that life does not arise from dead matter. When his text brings him to explaining life's origin, what does he tell the students? He starts by telling them the truth, that life does not arise from dead things today, but billions of years ago life arising from dead things was "evidently possible" and "inevitable".
Decide for yourself, but it appears that Nell Campbell, when confronted with a scientific law that contradicts his world view (perhaps atheistic), would rather violate the scientific law than acknowledge that supernatural intervention is a possible explanation for the origin of life. What Mr. Campbell wrote is not education. It is not science. It is Nell Campbell's biased unscientific opinion. You are encouraged to decide for yourself.
The “origin of life” question is covered in detail in Dr. Mark Eastman's book "The Creator Beyond Time and Space". Many people think life was once created in a test tube from chemicals and energy in the 1950's. This is known as the Miner-Urey experiment (which is covered in detail in Eastman's book). Here is what actually occurred. They sparked ammonia, methane, hydrogen and water, condensed it, and ran it through a trap (do you think the early earth had traps and condensers? The samples had to be isolated from the spark because a second spark would have destroyed any molecules that were formed). The results of these experiments were mostly tar and carboxylic acid, but a few amino acids were formed. Amino acids may be called the building blocks of life. But it is either gross ignorance or a lie to say they created true life in this experiment. Life requires many things. Long amino acid chains make proteins, chains in the proper order and shape. Miller's experiment did NOT produce any chains. Life also requires DNA, RNA, and never has any experiment produced DNA or RNA from base materials. Never have chains of DNA or RNA been produced, and never has a cell membrane been produced.
The faith that even one protein arose by chance is tremendous. Let's look at statistics. Proteins are made up of chains of amino acids, just like a train is made up of box cars. A chain of box cars makes up a train. A chain of amino acids makes up a protein. Humans have 20 different types of amino acids that make up our proteins, and the average human protein is 400 amino acids long. Remember, the exact arrangement of these amino acids is crucial to the function of the protein. If it is the proper arrangement, it does its job; if the order is mixed up, it is worthless chemical junk.
Imagine many box cars at a train station, and these box cars are made up of twenty different colors. The owner of the station tells you he wants a train to be 400 box cars long, and you are to pick the combination of colored box cars, but if it is not the order he has in mind (and he didn’t tell you his desire) he will fire you.
What are the odds that you will arrange the box cars in the right order? They are the same odds that the amino acids will align themselves by chance to make one functional protein in you (the human body). The odds are 20 to the 400th power. This is the same as 10 to the 520th power, (that is a 1 followed by 520 zeros)! You have better odds of winning the California Super Lotto every week for 11 years, than the odds of one protein in your body having the amino acids being properly aligned by chance. The odds are really much worse because the amino acids must be left-handed, they must form a chain "in series" no parallel branching, their shape (proteins are wound up like a ball of yarn) is crucial, you need an oxygen free environment, and so on. And remember, this is for just one protein. Your body has countless trillions of proteins. The model that reflects a brilliant designer (like God) making meaningful and useful proteins requires much less faith than to trust random chance and natural processes.
5.) LIVING ANIMALS
QUESTION: IS CREATION OR EVOLUTION SUPPORTED BY WHAT IS OBSERVED IN LIVING ANIMALS?
The Creation Model predicts animals will reproduce after their own kind. The Evolution Model predicts that all plants and animals came from a common ancestor. What is observed every day with living animals? Your parents were human, your grandparents were human, and so on. That is what is observed and recorded. Dogs make dogs, hogs make hogs, frogs make frogs, cats make cats, rats make rats (especially in New York), and bats make bats. Every birth since recorded time has supported the creation model. The foundation for science is observation. What is observed? The Creation model is what is observed, animals producing their own kind.
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6.) DEAD ANIMALS (Fossils)
QUESTION: DOES THE FOSSIL RECORD SUPPORT CREATION OR EVOLUTION?
Creation Model Prediction: The fossils will be as easy to classify as living forms of plants and animals. There will be variation within forms, but no transitional evidence of invertebrates to vertebrates, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, reptile to mammal. The characteristics of the fossils will be stasis (stay the same) and sudden appearance will prevail (no transitional forms).
Evolution Model Prediction: The fossils will show the stages through which one type of animal or plant changed into a different type. Fossils should show the in-between characteristics of presumed common ancestors (a leg becoming a wing, a scale becoming a feather, etc.). They should show the stages through which one type of animal or plant changed into a different type. A series of links would be expected to be seen in a multitude of fossils. In reality, you should find more “links” than actual species, given the time required to make the transitions.
CHALLENGE:
The next time you see a case made for a human ancestor, determine what the actual fossil evidence is, and then decide for yourself if the conclusions fit the data. Recently from a piece of one shin bone, "scientists" told us what this "ancestor" looked like, how he lived, where he lived, and how long ago he lived. Decide for yourself if you think that a single piece of shin bone can objectively tell you that much information or is it someone's imagination that takes an extremely small amount of data (one shin bone) and turns it into a human ancestor or a "missing link." (Remember, there is great variety within a species. A pro-football player has bigger thicker shin bones than a child, but they are both human.)
7.) THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION KEEPS EVOLVING
QUESTION: IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION, WHICH THEORY DO YOU BELIEVE IN?
It is true that there are a couple of different Creation theories circulating today. Some people think God used evolution to create. Some believe in two creations, (the Gap Theory). Both of these ideas are new, unbiblical and unscientific (they do not comply with observable evidence). The literal account of Genesis is thousands of years old and has not changed for thousands of years. It is also true that just because many theories may exist to explain something does not mean that every explanation is false.
The general point of the Theory of Evolution is that life originated as single-celled organisms and over time became all the living things we see today. Up to this point all evolutionists seem to agree. The science end of that conclusion is the mechanism. It is with the science end that the evolutionists disagree vehemently with each other. Teachers never told us that the "scientists" disagreed on the mechanism of evolution. We have always been lead to believe that the "scientists" agreed on how evolution occurred.
However, the students and the public are never informed about these conflicts. It is similar to a family fight being kept private. However, the ramifications are so important that it is imperative that all students should be properly informed. Students should ask their instructor "Which Theory of Evolution are you teaching?"
Remember, the “science of Evolution is the mechanism”. Mechanism #1 was Darwin's, also know as Darwinian Evolution or Gradualism, (think of "slow" evolution). Darwin proposed that animals evolved into other animals by small, gradual steps. There are two problems with this, no living evidence and no fossil evidence (as previously discussed). And why are all the species so distinct today with no in-between “specimens” of some unknown future species currently in the development stage?
Many evolutionists recognize this acute problem. One of them is Stephen Jay Gould, a Professor of Geology at Harvard, and perhaps the most prominent evolutionist in the United States. Dr. Gould and others are faced with one of three choices to make regarding the empirical evidence:
1) Hold onto Gradualism, despite the lack of evidence to support it.
2) Accept the Genesis account, that an intelligent designer instantly created plants and animals and these plants and animals would reproduce after their own kind.
3) Reject Gradualism and come up with a new theory.
Which do you think they chose? If you guessed #3, you are correct. A new theory therefore arose. This Theory is called "Punctuated Equilibrium", a big long scary phrase that means the changes happened too fast to be observed. If you inquire into this, be ready to be "comforted" by the response: “You must understand...'fast' in Evolutionary terms can be millions (or even billions) of years". But don't lose focus. Whether these "fast" changes occurred over one million or four billion years, they were still unobserved, and are nowhere to be found in the fossil record. The foundation of science is observation. The “Punctuated Equilibrium” camp admit there is no observational evidence to support their belief. Their presupposed conclusion drives them to gloss over observational evidence. They will not allow anything, including evidence, to falsify their belief that the Theory of Evolution is truth.
A third theory of Evolution is that God used Evolution to create. These people have the same science problems the atheists have...no observational evidence. They have even more problems if their God is the God of the Bible. There are no verses to support their belief. They typically will say Genesis is not literal and will try to explain that the original Hebrew supports this. Unfortunately for them, the original Hebrews took it literally and so did hundreds of generations of Hebrew scholars after them. These people should not be so quick to twist a clear message by misinterpreting what it says in Hebrew when the Hebrew experts would disagree with them. It appears that peer pressure resulted in their conclusions more than an in-depth study of the Hebrew language did.
8.) CAUSE AND EFFECT
QUESTION: IS THERE ANY CAUSE FOR THE UNIVERSE OR FOR YOU?
Cause and effect is the most basic scientific principle. It is fundamental to all branches of science as well as philosophy. Cause and effect is the principle that an event which is observed can be traced to an event that preceded it. For example, an observed event (an effect) could be a house; the cause is a place to live. An observed event could be a painting; the cause is beauty or expression. Creationists trace the entire Universe to a "First Cause" God. Atheists say there was not a "First Cause" for the Universe.
Isn't it curious that Evolutionary Scientists accept the principle of cause and effect EXCEPT when it comes to origins? An Evolutionary Scientist would argue that there was a cause for a chair but not for a human being.
9.) EXTINCTION, NATURAL SELECTION and SURVIVAL of THE FITTEST
QUESTION: EXTINCTION, NATURAL SELECTION AND SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST ARE FACTS, DO THESE SUPPORT CREATION OR EVOLUTION?
Extinction does NOT support the Theory of Evolution – extinction destroys evolution. It is the path creation would predict. For the “Theory of Evolution” model to have validity, it must attempt to demonstrate that natural process produces new animals, and does NOT eliminate existing animals. The Creation model has validity when natural processes do not produce new kinds of animals. Extinction does not falsify the Creation model. What do we observe? Many animal kinds becoming extinct, and no new animal kinds emerging.
Let's look at the two models again and their beliefs. Evolutionists believe life started as one “animal” (like an amoeba) and favorable environmental conditions produced a net gain of hundreds of thousands of new animal species! Creationists believe hundreds of thousands of species were intelligently and instantly created at the beginning of time, and unfavorable environments have reduced this number. Decide for yourself which model is more logical and which model better fits observed events.
Natural Selection is a true concept. Natural selection makes good traits dominant but does not produce new animal kinds. Natural selection does not produce new species, families, orders, or classes of plants and animals. Imagine someone having 10 children in smoggy Los Angeles. Suppose eight of the kids have lungs that cannot filter the smog effectively, and they do not reach an age where they can reproduce, but two kids do have stronger lungs that allows them to reach reproducing ages. Their genes will be exhibited in future generations. But that gene pool is still in human beings. Natural selection emphasizes the superior genetic characteristics in a population, but it does not produce new animal kinds.
Survival of the fittest is a simplistic term that everyone should admit is correct. The term is simply an equation or a definition. For example, it is equal to saying "bachelors are single men". If you are a single man, you are a bachelor. If you are a bachelor you are a single man. Regarding "survival of the fittest," if an animal is surviving, that means it is fit for its environment. If an animal is fit for its environment, that means it will survive. If a plane load of circus animals is forced to land in Alaska in the winter, the lions, elephants, zebras and giraffes will soon be history. But the penguins and polar bears will easily survive. That is an example of survival of the fittest. However, for validity to be given to the Theory of Evolution, the lions would not die, but would immediately (over millions of years) begin producing new kinds of animals that can survive a harsh Alaskan winter. The problem is, if you are unfit, you die, and you can't evolve when you are dead.
How can an organism with a life expectancy of a few days, weeks, months, or even years, survive for billions of years while it finally develops a reproductive system, only to discover that it now needs a partner with which to mate (oops, now we must wait another billion years for the right partner to come along). In just a mere thousand years, “it” would have died and reincarnated (or something) dozens or hundreds of times, and the billions of years has barely begun!
10.) LIFE? THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN MATERIAL
QUESTION: DO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIFE SUPPORT CREATION OR EVOLUTION?
Let's compare life to a computer. Computers must have proper hardware (monitors, disk drives, keyboards) and proper software (information) in order to operate. Likewise life at the cellular level requires "hardware" (amino acids and nucleic acids) and "software" (amino acids in the proper sequence to make proteins, and nucleic acids in the right sequence to make DNA). Much could be written about the incredible complexity of proteins and DNA and how unsatisfactory "chance and time" are in explaining these origins.
THINK! For the computer example, even if you had the proper hardware and the proper software, would you have a functional computer? No because you need a source of power (life) for the system to operate. Now let's look at life.
Suppose there was a dead dog lying next to a living dog. How would someone who believed only in the material world (Materialists deny the existence of anything metaphysical) explain what the difference is between the dead dog and the living dog? The unfortunate dead dog has all the proper materials. It has the proper hardware (DNA, proteins, organs, bones, etc.), and it has the proper software (its DNA and amino acids are properly sequenced). But the dog is dead. Why? Creationists maintain there is more to life than chemicals, energy and biology. There is a metaphysical or spiritual side to life similar to the power source of computers.
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TWO "TRICKS" EVOLUTIONISTS USE TO MAKE THEIR THEORY APPEAR TO BE SOUND
Again, please be reminded – you must decide for yourself when you read the following. However, if you look for these two "tricks" the Theory of Evolution will lose a lot of its perceived validity.
TRICK #1
Be on the alert for the incredible faith the evolutionist has in time. Time is vital to their theory. Ask an evolutionist how did reptiles become birds, and they will tell you it took "millions of years". How did fish become amphibians, "it took millions of years". Whenever you probe an evolutionist with questions, they will quickly rely on time. Do not expect fossil evidence and biological answers. Instead, just a hand wave and a tremendous faith in time.
But is their "time" explanation satisfactory? No, it is a confession that the processes they profess to believe in are thought to occur, but they are not observed. The evidence was lost in those eons of time. There are two explanations why there is no evidence for fish evolving into reptiles: Either it never happened and thus there is no evidence (Creation) or it did happen but the evidence is missing due to time (Evolution). Does time lead to increased complexity in chemical reactions or systems? No (see the Second Law of Thermodynamics). For a system to increase in complexity it does not just need energy, it needs the proper type and quantity of energy. If you put a leaf on a driveway and expose it to the sun, it will dry up and whither, not become more complex.
Remember the fairy tales we heard as children like “a long time ago, in a place far away there was a frog. A princess kissed the frog, and it instantly turned into a prince”. In Biology, they informed us that a long time ago, in an unknown place there lived an amphibian, and over millions of years, the amphibian became a mammal. The first story is a fairy tale because a kiss turned an amphibian into a prince. The second story is taught as science because "millions of years" turned the amphibian into a mammal. Supposedly, believing that time (and not a kiss) can turn an amphibian into a mammal makes it "science".
TRICK #2
When someone asks you if you believe in evolution, do not answer yes, and do not answer no. Instead ask them "What do you mean when you say evolution?" Become aware of how the word "evolution" is used. What does the word "evolution" mean? It means "development" and does not refer to mere change. Does change happen? Absolutely. If you changed your socks within the past month you could say you changed. But does that degree of change support the Theory of Evolution? Did anything develop? Let's explore that thought.
In item #9 of the above list, we showed that natural selection and survival of the fittest are a true phenomenon. Change happens within species all the time. But for the Theory of Evolution to have merit there must be evidence for new species, families, orders, classes and phyla. For example, teachers will often say that evidence for evolution is the fact that people are taller today than they were 500 years ago. Is that evolution? Well it is change, but does it support the Theory of Evolution? No because they were people then and they are people now; there has been no species change. Or a teacher will say that England had many light colored moths and few dark moths when England was unpolluted (due to camouflage advantages). After England became polluted, the population of the dark moths increased and the light moths decreased. Is that evolution? Well it is a change in the population density, but it does not support the Theory of Evolution because there was no species change. You started with light moths and dark moths, and you ended up with light colored moths and dark moths. If you mention this to an evolutionist they will go to trick #1 and say that over millions of years new kinds of animals will emerge.
Creationists often say they believe in micro-evolution (change within a species) but not macro-evolution (one species becoming a new species). Creationists may also say they believe in horizontal evolution (change within a species) but not vertical evolution (new species emerging). And indeed these are observable changes.
In Closing
As you ponder these thought-provoking issues, keep your focus on consistency and reality. Try to think through a billion years and calculate how many life and death cycles would result in that period of time with just a single species if evolution was even remotely possible. To help quantify the enormous expanse of a billion years, think of how long a billion seconds is (about 32 years = 1 billion seconds). Remember, all the body “systems” of all living things rely on all the other body systems in order to function and survive (i.e. a heart cannot exist without a lung, etc.). Neither will these “systems” function or survive if they are only partially developed – they all have SHORT time periods within which to fully develop in sync, and in parallel, according to their respective design. Add to this the incredibly complex DNA code, the hundreds of pairs of exact opposite body parts, the absolute need for “matching” reproductive organs, and the list goes on. Now introduce this same random-chance design concept into our modern world of manufacturing and decide which works – (i.e. cars evolving or cars being designed and built to specifications!) Isn’t it strange that the evolutionist thinks that everything we see and touch requires a designer or creator except all the “living things”!
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Praise god!!
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A message for Bull Nye.
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Another one.
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Not this shit again and please no one will read all your copy and past bullshit >:(
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I read some of it and it is pretty intriguing.
First heard about it when watching a video by Lloyd Pye - I'm hesitant to give it a "thumbs up" but what speaks against his theory?
If it's all wrong it must be easy to disprove it.
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Are you a deluded atheist that believes in evolution? If so, this science video is for you
Are you a Believer in a Weirdy Beardy Man in The Sky Who Created everything ?
Which Weirdy Beardy Man Exactly as There is supposedly a Whole Bunch of them
Where is your Proof of Your Particular Weirdy Beardy Man Being The 1 & Creating Everything?
I know not How or Why we & The World / Universe Got Here
And it doesn’t matter either way - We are Here but for a Short Time
Enjoy It.
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Are you a Believer in a Weirdy Beardy Man in The Sky Who Created everything ?
Where is your Proof ?
I know not How or Why we & The World / Universe Got Here
And it doesn’t matter either way - We are Here but for a Short Time
Enjoy It.
Do you believe that you created your post? Obviously God created everything.
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Do you believe that you created your post? Obviously God created everything.
No my iPad created the post via modern electronic jiggers pokery
I just tapped on the screen.
“Obviously” is Not an Answer
And Which Weirdy Beardy God are you attributing all this creation to.
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No my iPad created the post via modern electronic jiggers pokery
I just tapped on the screen.
“Obviously” is Not an Answer
And Which Weirdy Beardy God are you attributing all this creation to.
Do not argue with me. I am teaching you plain facts, that you are manifestly too dense to comprehend, not having a discussion with you.
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Do not argue with me. I am teaching you plain facts, that you are manifestly too dense to comprehend, not having a discussion with you.
Very clearly You are The Thicko as you’re far out of your Depth Boy
You have no argument & no Facts.
Further, you’re incapable of having a Discussion.
You couldn’t teach a kid to put slippers on.
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Alien astronaut theory.
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I believe the Evolution of Lon will be from poster to banned poster.
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Most Atheists are too dense to realise that their conviction in no God is like a religion in its self. Many will passionately try to convince others that they are right, unaware that their fundamental beliefs are as ingrained as bible bashers or Islam freaks.
I say let people think what they want, nobody knows for sure so live and let live.
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Very clearly You are The Thicko as you’re far out of your Depth Boy
You have no argument & no Facts.
Further, you’re incapable of having a Discussion.
You couldn’t teach a kid to put slippers on.
Your nonsensical posts establish that you are mentally handicapped. My scholarly posts smash your atheism a million times over. [I am an eminent scientist.]
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Your nonsensical posts establish that you are mentally handicapped. My scholarly posts smash your atheism a million times over. [I am an eminent scientist.]
You're A Twat.
A Feeble Minded Pathetic Specimen.
I’m neither a believer in creation or evolution
As it makes exactly Zero difference to any of us.
That’s very likely far to Complicated for you to understand.
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Most Atheists are too dense to realise that their conviction in no God is like a religion in its self. Many will passionately try to convince others that they are right, unaware that their fundamental beliefs are as ingrained as bible bashers or Islam freaks.
I say let people think what they want, nobody knows for sure so live and let live.
The truth is readily apparent. Watch this amazing video.
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You're A Twat.
A Feeble Minded Pathetic Specimen.
I’m neither a believer in creation or evolution
As it makes exactly Zero difference to any of us.
That’s very likely far to Complicated for you to understand.
Anyone that does not believe in the fact of creation is an imbecile. Reality makes no difference to you as you lack the brains to grasp facts.
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Anyone that does not believe in the fact of creation is an imbecile. Reality makes no difference to you as you lack the brains to grasp facts.
Would you shut the fuck up already. Blowhard.
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Lon - is the Earth flat? You state that Genesis should be taken literally - so you must think it’s flat??
Wow - those videos have dozens of views - so looks like most everyone agrees with you - ;D
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Lon - is the Earth flat? You state that Genesis should be taken literally - so you must think it’s flat??
Wow - those videos have dozens of views - so looks like most everyone agrees with you - ;D
You have been misled. The Bible does not state that the Earth is flat.
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
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Are you a deluded atheist that believes in evolution? If so, this science video is for you.
Hi Kent Hovind.
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So the Bible doesn’t speak of a firmament? Is that to be taken literally or do we just explain that away as “well that doesn’t mean like literally”
Edit - I see.. so we take certain parts literally, but in others we understand there were “poetic elements and imagery”... just when it came to speaking of creation there is NO “imagery or poetic elements”
Very logical
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Your nonsensical posts establish that you are mentally handicapped. My scholarly posts smash your atheism a million times over. [I am an eminent scientist.]
LOL
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So the Bible doesn’t speak of a firmament? Is that to be taken literally or do we just explain that away as “well that doesn’t mean like literally”
Edit - I see.. so we take certain parts literally, but in others we understand there were “poetic elements and imagery”... just when it came to speaking of creation there is NO “imagery or poetic elements”
Very logical
'Firmament' means 'sky'. It is obvious which parts of Scripture are metaphorical.
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I especially like the argument that since Mount Rushmore didn’t happen through natural erosion - evolution must be false. Wow - how do you argue with that??
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I especially like the argument that since Mount Rushmore didn’t happen through natural erosion - evolution must be false. Wow - how do you argue with that??
The point of the analogy is that design demands a designer. Nothing evolved by random chance.
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'Firmament' means 'sky'. It is obvious which parts of Scripture are metaphorical.
It’s pointless to argue when you make statements like that. The parts that support your belief are literal and the parts that don’t are metaphorical. That’s damn convenient. Not to mention the many books of the Bible that were left out.
I prefer the silly science books that have zero parts which are metaphorical. You know how us simple minded ones are.
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Geesh- is Lon another 240 is Back gimmick?
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Anyone that does not believe in the fact of creation is an imbecile. Reality makes no difference to you as you lack the brains to grasp facts.
You just lack Brains
Jeez Fuck Off Already - You’re being Ripped apart by All on Here
Yet you carry on. ::) ::)
Truly A Pathetic Specimen.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=56050
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=56050
Ahha - Explains it.
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True Adonis returns with his new gimmick ::)
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You just lack Brains
Jeez Fuck Off Already - You’re being Ripped apart by All on Here
Yet you carry on. ::) ::)
Truly A Pathetic Specimen.
Your fifteen minutes are up. I am a leading scientist that has no time to waste on mindless imbeciles like you.
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It’s pointless to argue when you make statements like that. The parts that support your belief are literal and the parts that don’t are metaphorical. That’s damn convenient. Not to mention the many books of the Bible that were left out.
I prefer the silly science books that have zero parts which are metaphorical. You know how us simple minded ones are.
Do you grasp the distinction between 'Trump is the United States President' and 'you are not the sharpest tool in the shed'? It should be obvious even to you. There is no part of the Bible that does not support belief in Scriptural verities. No books of the Bible were left out. As to science books, you should peruse this article.
https://www.creationworldview.org/articles_view.asp?id=53
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If you don't believe in evolution you haven't seen "Planet of the Apes".
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If you don't believe in evolution you haven't seen "Planet of the Apes".
You are not a monkey!
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Your fifteen minutes are up. I am a leading scientist that has no time to waste on mindless imbeciles like you.
Fuck Off you’re a Leading Imbecile
And Use your 15minutes wisely as you’re very likey to Be Banned.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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"The more I study science the more I believe in God."
Albert Einstein, as cited in Holt 1997
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Your fifteen minutes are up. I am a leading scientist that has no time to waste on mindless imbeciles like you.
Nah, you're just some bored weirdo trolling about Getbig. What kind of "leading scientist" would describe himself thusly? That's stupid. An astrophysicist would say, "I'm an astrophysicist." A neurologist would self-identify as such. So would an anthropologist, and so on. NONE would say "I'm a scientist."
Besides, no "scientist" would muck about here. And if you really are a creationist (doubtful), if you're also a Christian, you need to work on that judgmental attitude.
Try again with another handle and be a little less transparent. I suggest you start off humble: instead of charging in declaring this and that, try posting your silliness in a seemingly innocent way; e.g., "Say, I have been thinking...there seems to be something to creationism. Like, this business about life coming from 'nothing'" -- that sort of thing. Then, work your way up from there. Fewer people would see you're a troll, so your threads would probably last longer, giving you the opportunity to get your jollies over a greater period of time.
I hope that helps in your future endeavors. Good luck and God bless.
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Alien astronaut theory.
Erich von Daniken & his BS ;D
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Not this shit again and please no one will read all your copy and past bullshit >:(
;D :D
:D ;D
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[I am an eminent scientist.]
;D ::)
::) ;D
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Geesh- is Lon another 240 is Back gimmick?
could be 'borsen8' :P
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True Adonis returns with his new gimmick ::)
I'm uncertain who this is. Adam has certain writing tics that give him away, and I don't see those here. For example, Adam uses backward apostrophes, thinks science is a proper noun, and he randomly capitalizes the first letter of words for emphasis. But mocking religion is up his alley, and statements like "I'm a leading scientist" sound like him. Maybe he finally learned to address the shitty writing mistakes? I doubt it, however. When he tried to troll as an "intellectual," his language was also much more stilted, using a passive voice and romping through the online thesaurus to hilariously bad ends. I don't see him unlearning those giveaways, so my guess is this is someone else.
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Do you grasp the distinction between 'Trump is the United States President' and 'you are not the sharpest tool in the shed'? It should be obvious even to you. There is no part of the Bible that does not support belief in Scriptural verities. No books of the Bible were left out. As to science books, you should peruse this article.
https://www.creationworldview.org/articles_view.asp?id=53
If you really aren’t aware of the gospels that were left out of the Bible then you really haven’t studied the origins of the Bible much. This isn’t even debatable.
I won’t keep arguing with you - there is no way you really believe the nonsense you are spewing.
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Any news, about Tom Cruise Mr.Inter Galaxy (or Mr.Cosmos ?) contest :)
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The Future is Feminine
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"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details."
The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 202
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I liked you better as Ron Harrigan.
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"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details."
The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 202
piss off borsen8
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You have to be a complete fucking moron to believe in evolution. I've been through this many times over the years here with resident fucktards. I'm not wasting my time on it anymore.
Great thread, great information and it is the truth. GOD created the heavens and earth And btw, the bible scriptures explain an IMMOVABLE earth with a firmament with God and his son on the other side. You all will have to deal with this truth along with all your unrepentant sins. This is not a game assholes.
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You have to be a complete fucking moron to believe in evolution. I've been through this many times over the years here with resident fucktards. I'm not wasting my time on it anymore.
Great thread, great information and it is the truth. GOD created the heavens and earth And btw, the bible scriptures explain an IMMOVABLE earth with a firmament with God and his son on the other side. You all will have to deal with this truth along with all your unrepentant sins. This is not a game assholes.
::)
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Creation -> Single Cell Jelly Pool -> Evolution -> Human Plague
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I have a special video for you, old man.
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I have a special video for you, old man.
It amazes me how desperate religious people are and what they do to hang onto those false beliefs.
I am confident that the Bible was fabricated by some Greeks and others who started up Christianity. Christ was also fabricated...he didn't exist here on Earth.
So much bullshit is believed by so many. No thanks to all that crap. Evolution happened. Science = progress. Religion = desperation.
YouTube "debunking" videos are the last gasp of all those dying religions.
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It amazes me how desperate religious people are and what they do to hang onto those false beliefs.
I am confident that the Bible was fabricated by some Greeks and others who started up Christianity. Christ was also fabricated...he didn't exist here on Earth.
So much bullshit is believed by so many. No thanks to all that crap. Evolution happened. Science = progress. Religion = desperation.
YouTube "debunking" videos are the last gasp of all those dying religions.
This Lon Barrington schmuck is the white wiggs.
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"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
--Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard University, winner of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
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You have to be a complete fucking moron to believe in evolution. This is not a game assholes.
Hey "genius" , visit Northern Territory & Queensland in Australia ;) & see evolution in action.
Some of Aussie snakes heads a getting smaller & this is stopping reptiles from swallowing poisonous cane toads (millions of them around).
+ some swamp birds now skin of deadly cane toad & they eat meat only .
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Hey "genius" , visit Northern Territory & Queensland in Australia ;) & see evolution in action.
Some of Aussie snakes heads a getting smaller & this is stopping reptiles from swallowing poisonous cane toads (millions of them around).
+ some swamp birds now skin of deadly cane toad & they eat meat only .
Variation within a kind equates to stasis, the opposite of evolution.
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The Flood is a historical fact as all evidence attests.
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"There are only two possibilities as to how penis arose; one is spontaneous erection arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of Viagra, there is the third possibility, it's a vibrating dildo Spontaneous generation that penis arose from non-living matter was scientifically created 50 years ago by Louis Pennis and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that cock arose as a creative act of vagina. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in Sex, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically possible, spontaneous generation arising to erection."
--Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Sexology at Harvard University, winner of the Vagina Prize in Sexuality or Medicine
fixed 8)
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Variation within a kind equates to stasis, the opposite of evolution.
Wow & WoW , U A 'expert' on Australian snakes ::).................
Hey let's met in Daintree Pub & feed crocks with a sugar cane 8)
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I did not bother to read your trash. Anything that comes from you is nonsense.
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Evolution fails as it involves the wrong type of change. One cannot turn a pauper into a billionaire by depleting his bank account.
https://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin
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The Flood is a historical fact as all evidence attests.
Yeah right , how in a fuck Tassie Tiger & Tassie Devil travel to Noah place in Judea ??? ;D
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I did not bother to read your trash. Anything that comes from you is nonsense.
:'( :'( :'(
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Yeah right , how in a fuck Tassie Tiger & Tassie Devil travel to Noah place in Judea ??? ;D
I am always right. Now watch the video. [I am a science educator.]
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I am always right. Now watch the video. [I am a science educator.]
(& I am a sex educator ;))
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Today's Creation Moment
Population and the Age of the Earth
Genesis 6:8
"But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD."
How long have people been living on Earth? The evolutionist says millions of years. Bible believing Christians generally say only about 6,000 years. But the answer to this question is amazingly simple.
If we start with only two people, and they have four children who live to have their own children, the second generation now has twice as many people – four. Now, allowing for infant mortality and other human problems that keep population down, we still find that on the average it only takes about 130 years to double the Earth's population. This figure fits into known historical records. And if anything, it's a conservative number.
If human history is 2 million years, as the evolutionists say, the Earth ought to have a lot more people than it does now. Alternatively, if we accept the 2 million years, then it must have taken 125,000 years to double the population in order to finish with today's world population. But that doesn't make any sense at all, especially since human historical records show that the doubling time is about 1,000 times less!
But if we start with eight people and reckon that the population doubles every 130 years, we find that it takes only about 4,000 to 4,500 years to get a population of 1 billion. And that was the Earth's population in the year 1800 – just about 4,200 years after the Flood, through which only eight people were saved to repopulate the Earth!
Prayer:
Lord, even the growth of human population testifies to the truth of Your Word! Help me to remember that to You humanity is not a mass of people. Even though it numbers in the billions, each is an individual whom You are seeking with Your Word. For Jesus' sake. Amen.
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I have no problem believing that everything we are aware of on our planet, life forms, our universe etc. was all created by a superior intelligence and yes we can call it God.
The problem with religion is the question of whether or not God is interacting with his creation. Yes or no? Where is your objective evidence that God is interacting with us on a daily basis?
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I'm always cautious of new posters that immediately enter into religious discussions and semi-name calling with no prompting while having an apparent understanding of various board members.
Have not yet determined whether or not this is a case of trolling, but I have seen this religious passion before from new posters only to find that some were merely God-hating gimmicks in disguise.
Hope that isn't the case here.
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I have no problem believing that everything we are aware of on our planet, life forms, our universe etc. was all created by a superior intelligence and yes we can call it God.
The problem with religion is the question of whether or not God is interacting with his creation. Yes or no? Where is your objective evidence that God is interacting with us on a daily basis?
God does respond to prayer.
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I'm always cautious of new posters that immediately enter into religious discussions and semi-name calling with no prompting while having an apparent understanding of various board members.
Have not yet determined whether or not this is a case of trolling, but I have seen this religious passion before from new posters only to find that some were merely God-hating gimmicks in disguise.
Hope that isn't the case here.
God gave you a brain for a reason.
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God gave you a brain for a reason.
This is the kind of response I was looking for. Still reserving judgment, but you're beginning to fit the troll profile.
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This is the kind of response I was looking for. Still reserving judgment, but you're beginning to fit the troll profile.
Definitely a gimmick account.
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This is the kind of response I was looking for. Still reserving judgment, but you're beginning to fit the troll profile.
Clearly you do not understand simple English.
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Definitely a gimmick account.
Manifestly you are a brainless idiot like 'Man of Steel'.
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"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know his thoughts. The rest are details."
The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 202
Einstein meant god in the spinozian sense not in the kingly christian sense.
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Einstein meant god in the spinozian sense not in the kingly christian sense.
Even a mindless fool like you should be able to apprehend that Einstein was referring to the Christian God. You disappoint me.
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Even a mindless fool like you should be able to apprehend that Einstein was referring to the Christian God. You disappoint me.
:'(
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Manifestly you are a brainless idiot like 'Man of Steel'.
There it is....was waiting for more speech that is non-representative of a genuine Christian. Thus far you haven't disappointed!
This feels very "True Adonis-ish" trolling :)
Have a good one "Lon" and honestly whatever your intentions are thanks for posting all this material!!
God lover or God hater it still presents a Christian perspective.....win, win! ;D
Although I haven't read or listened to a word of it yet.
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:'(
It seems that certain words are too big for you.
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I'm always cautious of new posters that immediately enter into religious discussions and semi-name calling with no prompting while having an apparent understanding of various board members.
Have not yet determined whether or not this is a case of trolling, but I have seen this religious passion before from new posters only to find that some were merely God-hating gimmicks in disguise.
Hope that isn't the case here.
Even if hes trolling, just about everything he posted is true.
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Man of Steel did great evil to me, a man of God, in the past. My day of vengeance has arrived.
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It amazes me how desperate religious people are and what they do to hang onto those false beliefs.
I am confident that the Bible was fabricated by some Greeks and others who started up Christianity. Christ was also fabricated...he didn't exist here on Earth.
So much bullshit is believed by so many. No thanks to all that crap. Evolution happened. Science = progress. Religion = desperation.
YouTube "debunking" videos are the last gasp of all those dying religions.
You're one of the greatest idiots this board has even hosted. That's saying alot. Congrats jackass.
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Preach the good word, Lon Barrigan!!
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It seems that certain words are too big for you.
To grasp mentally understand yea he missed that ...doesn't excuse you from being a dick head and even though I agree with a lot of your posts. Still have to say your being a dick head..
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This is also why flat earth is so important. If the earth is flat, evolution, big bang and gravity (which are all theories) are not possible. Round earth hinges on these THEORIES. It's a giant indoctrination from birth, just like Hitler Youth and we all fell for it. Well, I chose truth. You can all play dumb and believe me, there will be a severe price to pay.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/QxHTn6Lp/getbig-wiggs-harriden.png)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/QxHTn6Lp/getbig-wiggs-harriden.png)
Mein Herr Jesus ist schwarz.
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Mein Herr Jesus ist schwarz.
Sehr gut...
mit dem Planeten Nibiru ;)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fL1GQzWc/getbig-wiggs-harriden-1.png)
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Sehr gut...
mit dem Planeten Nibiru ;)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fL1GQzWc/getbig-wiggs-harriden-1.png)
Lolol, Sehr, sehr schon. Danke!
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Even if hes trolling, just about everything he posted is true.
That's what's great about it!! I listened to and read some now and I agree.
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What are the facts of creation?
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Evolution fails as it involves the wrong type of change. One cannot turn a pauper into a billionaire by depleting his bank account.
https://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin
I need to change my investment strategy. ???
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I need to change my investment strategy. ???
I mean that one cannot turn a pauper into a billionaire by taking away all of his money.
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This is also why flat earth is so important. If the earth is flat, evolution, big bang and gravity (which are all theories) are not possible. Round earth hinges on these THEORIES. It's a giant indoctrination from birth, just like Hitler Youth and we all fell for it. Well, I chose truth. You can all play dumb and believe me, there will be a severe price to pay.
Why has no-one discovered, seen or photographed the edge of the world?
Surely it would be a great tourist attraction by now.
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I mean that one cannot turn a pauper into a billionaire by taking away all of his money.
I know, I was making a funny.
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Why has no-one discovered, seen or photographed the edge of the world?
Surely it would be a great tourist attraction by now.
they keep falling off
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Why has no-one discovered, seen or photographed the edge of the world?
Surely it would be a great tourist attraction by now.
:D ;D
;D :D
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"Lon,"
Where did you earn your degree(s), and in what field or fields?
I also see you're cherry-picking quotes from true intellects like Einstein. He was agnostic. Quoting great minds about God is the last refuge of a desperate man...or a troll :)
I myself believe in a primary mover, but I don't think you trolling that old creationist creatio ex nihilo nonsense is going to convince anyone that you're anything but someone's puppet.
Who are you? You accuse everyone else of stupidity, but I say it is you who are stupid for your transparence.
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This is also why flat earth is so important. If the earth is flat, evolution, big bang and gravity (which are all theories) are not possible. Round earth hinges on these THEORIES. It's a giant indoctrination from birth, just like Hitler Youth and we all fell for it. Well, I chose truth. You can all play dumb and believe me, there will be a severe price to pay.
Wow, Milton was "Hitler Youth" member ::) :o
When is that 'payday' , post location & date :-\
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Sehr gut...
mit dem Planeten Nibiru ;)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fL1GQzWc/getbig-wiggs-harriden-1.png)
This is very confusing , why crocodiles & humans don't live in peace ???
;D ;D ;D
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Are you a deluded atheist that believes in evolution? If so, this science video is for you.
What a load of crap, just bunch of claims based on one simple argument: "I do not believe".
No evidence what so ever, just bunch of claims, substantiated by misunderstanding and lies. I know that evolution is hard nut for the creatonist's fools, but these morons earn all that misery which they get out of it. Evolution is so widely and thoroughly proved fact, that it would need extraordinary stupidity to believe anything else, and still there is these morons with their creation-theory.
Ok. How these creationist's explain fossiles? It is a fact, that science can present different levels of evolution by specie with no problems, but creatinist's can't prove a single thing. They doesn't even believe that you should prove your claims, all they need is faith.
What make this creationistic bullshit so ridiculous is the fact, that evolution is ongoing as we speak. Scientist has found indications of religious behiavour from the chimpanses, who are living in the wilderness. Is it so, that by the evolution, smartest apes and the stupidest humans has similiar behiavour? Will these end up to be sitting side by side in the church singing hymns? And what is creationistic explanation about phedofile priests? Mass murderes etc.? God ways are mysterious? In fact, if there is god, he is one sadistic piece of crap, who enjoys misery of humans..
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You have to be a complete fucking moron to believe in evolution. I've been through this many times over the years here with resident fucktards. I'm not wasting my time on it anymore.
Great thread, great information and it is the truth. GOD created the heavens and earth And btw, the bible scriptures explain an IMMOVABLE earth with a firmament with God and his son on the other side. You all will have to deal with this truth along with all your unrepentant sins. This is not a game assholes.
Wiggs referring to me: "You're one of the greatest idiots this board has even hosted. That's saying alot. Congrats jackass."
You know, Mr Wiggs, one thing continues to perplex me and remains an unsolved mystery. Why did an all-knowing, all-wise, all-powerful God create someone as dense as yourself? Surely he must have
known that you would have a difficult time in life, in relationships and employment. There you are a creature with absolutely no shame at all. You seem to be devoid of any good sense. You lack the ability to absorb
information in a critical and intelligent fashion. You are oblivious of how preposterous your beliefs are yet maintain them like the righteous fool you truly are.
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"Lon,"
Where did you earn your degree(s), and in what field or fields?
I also see you're cherry-picking quotes from true intellects like Einstein. He was agnostic. Quoting great minds about God is the last refuge of a desperate man...or a troll :)
I myself believe in a primary mover, but I don't think you trolling that old creationist creatio ex nihilo nonsense is going to convince anyone that you're anything but someone's puppet.
Who are you? You accuse everyone else of stupidity, but I say it is you who are stupid for your transparence.
Calling it / him Stupid is a Complement.
Fucking Retarded Imbecile is closer to the Truth of the matter.
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You have to be a complete fucking moron to believe in evolution. I've been through this many times over the years here with resident fucktards. I'm not wasting my time on it anymore.
Great thread, great information and it is the truth. GOD created the heavens and earth And btw, the bible scriptures explain an IMMOVABLE earth with a firmament with God and his son on the other side. You all will have to deal with this truth along with all your unrepentant sins. This is not a game assholes.
You’re either being a deliberate dickwad or just plain Thick.
I don’t believe for one minute you really believe the utter nonsense
You preach on here.
Maybe I’m crediting you with more brain poser than you have.
I know not how or why we are here
Only that it makes Zero difference to you me or anyone
As We’re All here but once & then Gone. End Of.
No Afterlife
No Heaven
No Hell
Nada / Nothing.
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You’re either being a deliberate dickwad or just plain Thick.
I don’t believe for one minute you really believe the utter nonsense
You preach on here.
Maybe I’m crediting you with more brain poser than you have.
I know not how or why we are here
Only that it makes Zero difference to you me or anyone
As We’re All here but once & then Gone. End Of.
No Afterlife
No Heaven
No Hell
Nada / Nothing.
You seem very confident there.
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What a load of crap, just bunch of claims based on one simple argument: "I do not believe".
No evidence what so ever, just bunch of claims, substantiated by misunderstanding and lies. I know that evolution is hard nut for the creatonist's fools, but these morons earn all that misery which they get out of it. Evolution is so widely and thoroughly proved fact, that it would need extraordinary stupidity to believe anything else, and still there is these morons with their creation-theory.
Ok. How these creationist's explain fossiles? It is a fact, that science can present different levels of evolution by specie with no problems, but creatinist's can't prove a single thing. They doesn't even believe that you should prove your claims, all they need is faith.
What make this creationistic bullshit so ridiculous is the fact, that evolution is ongoing as we speak. Scientist has found indications of religious behiavour from the chimpanses, who are living in the wilderness. Is it so, that by the evolution, smartest apes and the stupidest humans has similiar behiavour? Will these end up to be sitting side by side in the church singing hymns? And what is creationistic explanation about phedofile priests? Mass murderes etc.? God ways are mysterious? In fact, if there is god, he is one sadistic piece of crap, who enjoys misery of humans..
Plainly you do not comprehend facts or evidence. Evolution was debunked ages ago. Fossils are relics of the Flood. Do not argue with reality. Just absorb the information that is presented to you.
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You’re either being a deliberate dickwad or just plain Thick.
I don’t believe for one minute you really believe the utter nonsense
You preach on here.
Maybe I’m crediting you with more brain poser than you have.
I know not how or why we are here
Only that it makes Zero difference to you me or anyone
As We’re All here but once & then Gone. End Of.
No Afterlife
No Heaven
No Hell
Nada / Nothing.
Your body will perish, but your spirit will live on. Watch this video, and cease from ignorance.
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"Lon,"
Where did you earn your degree(s), and in what field or fields?
I also see you're cherry-picking quotes from true intellects like Einstein. He was agnostic. Quoting great minds about God is the last refuge of a desperate man...or a troll :)
I myself believe in a primary mover, but I don't think you trolling that old creationist creatio ex nihilo nonsense is going to convince anyone that you're anything but someone's puppet.
Who are you? You accuse everyone else of stupidity, but I say it is you who are stupid for your transparence.
I merely provided the facts, which you fathom not. [I am a top scientist.]
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At the moment, evolution is an indisputable fact, there's just too much evidence.
Archaeological and geological evidence.
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I merely provided the facts, which you fathom not. [I am a top scientist.]
Okay Adam.
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At the moment, evolution is an indisputable fact, there's just too much evidence.
Archaeological and geological evidence.
You're stuck on stupid bro.
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Even a mindless fool like you should be able to apprehend that Einstein was referring to the Christian God. You disappoint me.
I see the folly in my ways
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At the moment, evolution is an indisputable fact, there's just too much evidence.
Archaeological and geological evidence.
Evolution was debunked ages ago. Can you comprehend that? Your father was not a monkey.
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There you are a creature with absolutely no shame at all. You seem to be devoid of any good sense. You lack the ability to absorb
information in a critical and intelligent fashion. You are oblivious of how preposterous your beliefs are yet maintain them like the righteous fool you truly are.
The irony is thick considering that Vince B claims that his fathers were monkeys and fish. Even children are aware of basic genetic laws that preclude evolution.
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The irony is thick considering that Vince B claims that his fathers were monkeys and fish. Even children are aware of basic genetic laws that preclude evolution.
The Genius of Charles Darwin - Richard Dawkins
Darwin is right up there with Newton and Einstein.
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You're stuck on stupid bro.
Evolution is backed by phyisical evidence.
Not only in humans, there is archeological and fossil evidence in animals and even plants.
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Evolution was debunked ages ago. Can you comprehend that? Your father was not a monkey.
Evolution has not been debunked.
You believe all humans just appeared 6000 years ago in the Garden of Eden?
That females are created from the rib of Adam? That Eve spoke to a snake on a tree who tempted her to eat an apple and now we all live in sin as a result?
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Evolution is backed by phyisical evidence.
Not only in humans, there is archeological and fossil evidence in animals and even plants.
Don't forget DNA.
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Evolution is backed by phyisical evidence.
Not only in humans, there is archeological and fossil evidence in animals and even plants.
Evolution is falsified by all evidence. As to fossils, watch this video.
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Evolution is falsified by all evidence. As to fossils, watch this video.
You could have not one fossil and the DNA evidence alone would be overwhelmingly enough proof of evolution. The human genome project is the ultimate proof of evolution.
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Don't forget DNA.
DNA debunks evolution and confirms creation. Design entails a designer.
https://creation.com/dna-remarkable-language
https://creation.com/electric-dna
https://creation.com/dazzling-design-in-miniature-dna-information-storage-creation-magazine
https://creation.com/refuting-evolution-2-chapter-6-argument-common-design-points-to-common-ancestry
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Evolution presupposes a beginning of time. This cannot be as we have scientifically established that matter cannot be created or destroyed, the Law of Conservation of Mass. Thus there cannot have been a beginning of time, as matter would have to have been created out of nothing. This would seem to be an argument for some God creating everything however if God exists in time, he would have had to have had a beginning as well. Which begs the question of what this God was doing before he created everything? Just relaxing? Injecting synthol? No, there cannot be a God because he would have to have come into existence at some point. The truth is that there is no time. There are no calendars or clocks in nature, just cycles that repeat over and over indefinitely. The Universe begins with a big bang then reaches its limit and begins contracting into the smallest possible matter then explodes again. We see this in stars turning from supernovas into black holes and back again. Nothing begins or ends. Evolution OR God are both incorrect, as they presuppose time, which does not exist. Simply humans trying to understand things which they cannot. We are not intellectually capable of understanding the absence of time. We worship time, as it measures how long we have left on this planet. But in the grand scheme of things, we are all irrelevant.. Just accept we cannot understand these type of concepts. Perhaps a more advanced intellect could For now we can just cling to our primitive little concepts of God or evolution.
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Evolution presupposes a beginning of time. This cannot be as we have scientifically established that matter cannot be created or destroyed, the Law of Conservation of Mass. Thus there cannot have been a beginning of time, as matter would have to have been created out of nothing. This would seem to be an argument for some God creating everything however if God exists in time, he would have had to have had a beginning as well. Which begs the question of what this God was doing before he created everything? Just relaxing? Injecting synthol? No, there cannot be a God because he would have to have come into existence at some point. The truth is that there is no time. There are no calendars or clocks in nature, just cycles that repeat over and over indefinitely. The Universe begins with a big bang then reaches its limit and begins contracting into the smallest possible matter then explodes again. We see this in stars turning from supernovas into black holes and back again. Nothing begins or ends. Evolution OR God are both incorrect, as they presuppose time, which does not exist. Simply humans trying to understand things which they cannot. We are not intellectually capable of understanding the absence of time. We worship time, as it measures how long we have left on this planet. But in the grand scheme of things, we are all irrelevant.. Just accept we cannot understand these type of concepts. Perhaps a more advanced intellect could For now we can just cling to our primitive little concepts of God or evolution.
What nonsense. The Law of Conservation of Mass refers only to chemical reactions. Without God the universe would not exist just as your posts would not exist without you.
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What nonsense. The Law of Conservation of Mass refers only to chemical reactions. Without God the universe would not exist just as your posts would not exist without you.
How old do you believe planet earth is?
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How old do you believe planet earth is?
The Earth is approximately 6,000 years old.
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The Earth is approximately 6,000 years old.
Do you believe in Dinosaurs and if so, when did they exist?
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Evolution has not been debunked.
You believe all humans just appeared 6000 years ago in the Garden of Eden?
That females are created from the rib of Adam? That Eve spoke to a snake on a tree who tempted her to eat an apple and now we all live in sin as a result?
Many people believe in fairy tales. Most do not.
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Do you believe in Dinosaurs and if so, when did they exist?
https://creation.com/did-a-meteor-wipe-out-the-dinosaurs-what-about-the-iridium-layer
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Many people believe in fairy tales. Most do not.
Do you believe in the evolution fairytale?
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Do you believe in the evolution fairytale?
I believe you have the right to believe in what you choose....no matter how wrongheaded it is.
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Evolution has not been debunked.
You believe all humans just appeared 6000 years ago in the Garden of Eden?
That females are created from the rib of Adam? That Eve spoke to a snake on a tree who tempted her to eat an apple and now we all live in sin as a result?
Evolution was debunked a trillion times over. All of the Biblical accounts are true. The fruit that Eve ate was not an apple, by the way. The apple belongs to the story of Snow White.
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah
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I believe you have the right to believe in what you choose....no matter how wrongheaded it is.
You did not answer my question. Again, do you believe that you are a monkey?
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The Earth is approximately 6,000 years old.
That is impossible.
The ruins in Göbekli Tepe in Turkey are from 10 000 BC.
Humans interbred with Neanderthals about 50 000 years ago and with Denisovans from 40 - 50 000 years ago.
And of course there are dinosaur and plant fossils from 60 - 100 million years ago and older. The oldest fossils of micro-organisms are about 3.5 billion years old.
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The ruins in Göbekli Tepe in Turkey are from 10 000 BC.
Humans interbred with Neanderthals about 50 000 years ago and with Denisovans from 40 - 50 000 years ago.
And of course there are dinosaur and plant fossils from 60 - 100 million years ago and older. The oldest fossils of micro-organisms are about 3.5 billion years old.
Those ludicrous dates are plainly wrong as the Earth is only 6,000 years old as I already proved. Watch the video.
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You did not answer my question. Again, do you believe that you are a monkey?
I don't believe I am a monkey. I believe I am a hominid.
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Those ludicrous dates are plainly wrong as the Earth is only 6,000 years old as I already proved. Watch the video.
It's simply impossible for the Earth to only be 6000 years old.
Even mammoths and sabre-toothed tigers died out before then, about 10 - 11 000 years ago.
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I don't believe I am a monkey. I believe I am a hominid.
You are not an animal even if you are labelled one. Watch this video, in which your atheist beliefs are shattered.
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You are not an animal even if you are labelled one. Watch this video, in which your atheist beliefs are shattered.
You've already posted this. Now you are being redundant and pushy.
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You've already posted this. Now you are being redundant and pushy.
I suggest that you try to comprehend the facts presented in the video this time.
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Evolution presupposes a beginning of time. This cannot be as we have scientifically established that matter cannot be created or destroyed, the Law of Conservation of Mass. Thus there cannot have been a beginning of time, as matter would have to have been created out of nothing. This would seem to be an argument for some God creating everything however if God exists in time, he would have had to have had a beginning as well. Which begs the question of what this God was doing before he created everything? Just relaxing? Injecting synthol? No, there cannot be a God because he would have to have come into existence at some point. The truth is that there is no time. There are no calendars or clocks in nature, just cycles that repeat over and over indefinitely. The Universe begins with a big bang then reaches its limit and begins contracting into the smallest possible matter then explodes again. We see this in stars turning from supernovas into black holes and back again. Nothing begins or ends. Evolution OR God are both incorrect, as they presuppose time, which does not exist. Simply humans trying to understand things which they cannot. We are not intellectually capable of understanding the absence of time. We worship time, as it measures how long we have left on this planet. But in the grand scheme of things, we are all irrelevant.. Just accept we cannot understand these type of concepts. Perhaps a more advanced intellect could For now we can just cling to our primitive little concepts of God or evolution.
Christopher Langdon (the most intelligent man on Earth) answers all of these questions.
http://hology.org/
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Christopher Langdon (the most intelligent man on Earth) answers all of these questions.
http://hology.org/
That site is full of bull.
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That site is full of bull.
Are you questioning the smartest man on Earth?
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That site is full of bull.
Of course it is.
I watched your videos and I'm now convinced: evolution is bullshit. The Darwinian devils have pulled the wool over our eyes long enough.
Thank you for pulling back the veil, top scientist.
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Are you questioning the smartest man on Earth?
Opposite Lod, he's a simpleton. Remember, Lod is a top scientist.
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Are you questioning the smartest man on Earth?
Smart people do not believe in evolution.
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Smart people do not believe in evolution.
In fairness, sir, that is circular logic.
But yes, we shouldn't believe in evolution.
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Evolution is a religion. All based on theory they want to be fact so bad. FAIL
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Evolution is a religion. All based on theory they want to be fact so bad. FAIL
You believe the world is flat and gravity does not exist.
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God gave you a brain for a reason.
So why is Wiggzy so stupid ??? ::)
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Evolution is falsified by all evidence. As to fossils, watch this video.
Nope, fat -old- bold - myopic + penguin can't lecture me 8)
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newsflash
we have something called microbiology and DNA science to show for solid proof of this today...
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newsflash
we have something called microbiology and DNA science to show for solid proof of this today...
All science falsifies evolution.
https://creation.com/refuting-evolution-2-index
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Nope, fat -old- bold - myopic + penguin can't lecture me 8)
Aren't you interested in apprehending reality?
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Are you questioning the smartest man on Earth?
Wiggzy is the smartest man on the flat Earth !.
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Wiggzy is the smartest man on the flat Earth !.
He's so near the edge, he's endanger of falling off.
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You did not answer my question. Again, do you believe that you are a monkey?
I believe all life on earth evolved from Cyanobacteria, including man.
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If we start with only two people, and they have four children who live to have their own children, the second generation now has twice as many people – four.
The story about the ‘creation’ of Adam and Eve and humanity raises eyebrows. It requires that the children have sex with each other. Lots of sinning in that paradise!
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Lon bringin' the entetainment!
Fact is for wackjobs like lon is that if folks all believed evolution, then there would be no need for a church and then the money stops flowing into them. This is the place his fear and war against evolution comes from.
Then where would priests be able to rape little boys while their parents fill the donation plates?
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I'm not sure why creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive. Adam and Eve are symbolic and probably fictional. They are depicted and rendered according to various artist's imaginations over many centuries appearing in modern human form. Who is to say they/we weren't mammalia as with early primates, fish or even invertebrates such as cephalopods and amphipod. On the other hand, there are folks who believe humans are actually aliens from another world. Anything is possible. All these possibilities represent life. Life is a creation.
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He's so near the edge, he's endanger of falling off.
:D
Very naive question but: what is at the bottom , sand, rocks ,.................his body must land on someting ::)
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I merely provided the facts, which you fathom not.
I am a top scientist.
Jeezus GloryHole15 is Back Again. ::) ::)
FFS.
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It's fine to question mainstream science, but please don't make it seem like the truth of the Bible depends upon evolution being false. The earliest Christians and Jews, men who lived long before any modern scientific theory about evolution, etc, didn't think the book of Genesis was trying to describe a literal history of creation. Even apart from any scientific discoveries about the age of the earth, etc, there's good reasons to interpret the six days of creation as an allegory.
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I'm not sure why creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive. Adam and Eve are symbolic and probably fictional. They are depicted and rendered according to various artist's imaginations over many centuries appearing in modern human form. Who is to say they/we weren't mammalia as with early primates, fish or even invertebrates such as cephalopods and amphipod. On the other hand, there are folks who believe humans are actually aliens from another world. [size=12pt]Anything is possible.[/size] All these possibilities represent life. Life is a creation.
If you believe this then you can believe anything. You demonstrate absolutely no comprehension about what evolution is.
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Aren't you interested in apprehending reality?
Looking for T-Rex puppy , do you sell them !?.
Dinos & humanoids live together in peace & harmony, don't they ;D)
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I don’t claim to have any definitive answers - but there are many ancient mythology’s that are strikingly similar to the stories of the Bible. Seems that maybe mankind seeks to explain that which is not understood.
We don’t have these kind of debates where I am from. Actually there is no life left where I am from that’s why I am here.
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It's fine to question mainstream science, but please don't make it seem like the truth of the Bible depends upon evolution being false. The earliest Christians and Jews, men who lived long before any modern scientific theory about evolution, etc, didn't think the book of Genesis was trying to describe a literal history of creation. Even apart from any scientific discoveries about the age of the earth, etc, there's good reasons to interpret the six days of creation as an allegory.
Genesis is historical fact.
https://creation.com/should-genesis-be-taken-literally
https://creation.com/genesis-bible-authors-believed-it-to-be-history
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:D
Very naive question but: what is at the bottom , sand, rocks ,.................his body must land on someting ::)
The abyss.
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It's fine to question mainstream science, but please don't make it seem like the truth of the Bible depends upon evolution being false. The earliest Christians and Jews, men who lived long before any modern scientific theory about evolution, etc, didn't think the book of Genesis was trying to describe a literal history of creation. Even apart from any scientific discoveries about the age of the earth, etc, there's good reasons to interpret the six days of creation as an allegory.
Exactly! Thank you for this clarity. It is all the more emphatic coming from someone who has evolved and transformed as you have.
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The abyss.
How deep ??? , in metric please ;D
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How deep ??? , in metric please ;D
Very, very deep....beyond measure by any means. ;D
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Very, very deep....beyond measure by any means. ;D
so no chance to recover wiggzy body :'( :'( :'(
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so no chance to recover wiggzy body :'( :'( :'(
Didn't you know? Wiggs is an angel. Therefore, he can fly. No harm, no foul.
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The earliest Christians and Jews, men who lived long before any modern scientific theory about evolution, etc, didn't think the book of Genesis was trying to describe a literal history of creation. Even apart from any scientific discoveries about the age of the earth, etc, there's good reasons to interpret the six days of creation as an allegory.
Exactly! Thank you for this clarity. It is all the more emphatic coming from someone who has evolved and transformed as you have.
The so called "Big Bang Theory" is far from an atheistic conception. (The original name is "The Hypothesis of the Primeval Atom")
The scientist who formulated the idea was a Catholic Priest...Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître.
He worked at the "Université Catholique de Louvain"
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The so called "Big Bang Theory" is far from an atheistic conception. (The original name is "The Hypothesis of the Primeval Atom")
The scientist who formulated the idea was a Catholic Priest...Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître.
He worked at the "Université Catholique de Louvain"
Probably a piece of shit Jesuit. Lying scum.
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Didn't you know? Wiggs is an angel. Therefore, he can fly. No harm, no foul.
Holy Jeezzuss, I didn't realize that chubby angels could fly (take of ;D) .................... :o
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Probably a piece of shit Jesuit. Lying scum.
Diocesan...
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What nonsense. The Law of Conservation of Mass refers only to chemical reactions. Without God the universe would not exist just as your posts would not exist without you.
Total bullshit. A beginning of matter means matter would have to be created from nothing. A beginning of time suggests there was NOTHING before that point of a beginning. So you explain to me the concept of NOTHING. No time, no matter, NOTHING. So some magical chemical reaction that idiot me does not understand can occur out of NOTHING. Not just no matter, but no time, for it was before the beginning of time. So something happened when nothing can happen, for there are no dimensions, no time, nothing to evolve from. Go get a fucking petri dish, put NOTHING in it, in a vacuum that cannot be invaded, not even air or ANY atoms of anything ever and wait for a chemical reaction to occur Mr. Science.
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Total bullshit. A beginning of matter means matter would have to be created from nothing. A beginning of time suggests there was NOTHING before that point of a beginning. So you explain to me the concept of NOTHING. No time, no matter, NOTHING. So some magical chemical reaction that idiot me does not understand can occur out of NOTHING. Not just no matter, but no time, for it was before the beginning of time. So something happened when nothing can happen, for there are no dimensions, no time, nothing to evolve from. Go get a fucking petri dish, put NOTHING in it, in a vacuum that cannot be invaded, not even air or ANY atoms of anything ever and wait for a chemical reaction to occur Mr. Science.
God created all things from nothing. Time has always existed.
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Plainly you do not comprehend facts or evidence. Evolution was debunked ages ago. Fossils are relics of the Flood. Do not argue with reality. Just absorb the information that is presented to you.
I don't? Relics of the flood, which take place when exactly? By Christians, something like 3000 - 4000 years ago, while science has proved that oldest fossils are 4000 millions years old. By the bible, earth is only 6000 years old, so WTF? Your problem is simple: people who wrote the bible, didin't understand that in the future there will be people who ask these questions. No matter which way you try to twist it, it doesn't make any sense.
When these creationist fools finally understand that facts are against them, they calculated earths age again, and find out that it has to be 4.5 billion years old. Fine, but that calculation is so out of sync with bible, that it make even less sense. God creates the world in six days and consecrates the seventh as a day of rest, 4.5 billion years ago. God creates the first humans Adam and Eve and all the animals in the Garden of Eden,...so where all these Neanderthals came from?
We have bones from every step between Homo habilis to homo sapiens, and by that we see how the mankind has developed. And that isn't all, we have lot of different stages of development from many different species, so we know where they are coming and what they are now. God created man in his own image, so was he an ape? Starting point of human evolution was Adam, the chimpanzee ??
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I don't? Relics of the flood, which take place when exactly? By Christians, something like 3000 - 4000 years ago, while science has proved that oldest fossils are 4000 millions years old. By the bible, earth is only 6000 years old, so WTF? Your problem is simple: people who wrote the bible, didin't understand that in the future there will be people who ask these questions. No matter which way you try to twist it, it doesn't make any sense.
When these creationist fools finally understand that facts are against them, they calculated earths age again, and find out that it has to be 4.5 billion years old. Fine, but that calculation is so out of sync with bible, that it make even less sense. God creates the world in six days and consecrates the seventh as a day of rest, 4.5 billion years ago. God creates the first humans Adam and Eve and all the animals in the Garden of Eden,...so where all these Neanderthals came from?
We have bones from every step between Homo habilis to homo sapiens, and by that we see how the mankind has developed. And that isn't all, we have lot of different stages of development from many different species, so we know where they are coming and what they are now. God created man in his own image, so was he an ape? Starting point of human evolution was Adam, the chimpanzee ??
Good points Ropo.
Where are the apes who are in the evolution phase to Neanderthals?
Or does evolution determine Neanderthals are extinct because they serve no purpose?
But why do we still have the same apes and chimps from millions of years ago? Why isnt there an example of a chimp ape/hybrid or ape/neanderthal in present day? It's odd that we dont have any evidence of evolution in process today.
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Good points Ropo.
Where are the apes who are in the evolution phase to Neanderthals?
Or does evolution determine Neanderthals are extinct because they serve no purpose?
But why do we still have the same apes and chimps from millions of years ago? Why isnt there an example of a chimp ape/hybrid or ape/neanderthal in present day? It's odd that we dont have any evidence of evolution in process today.
There is no such thing as a missing link as evolution has never occurred.
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Good points Ropo.
Where are the apes who are in the evolution phase to Neanderthals?
Or does evolution determine Neanderthals are extinct because they serve no purpose?
But why do we still have the same apes and chimps from millions of years ago? Why isnt there an example of a chimp ape/hybrid or ape/neanderthal in present day? It's odd that we dont have any evidence of evolution in process today.
We do. All life is constantly evolving.
Any domesticated animal could be used as an example. Look at how different breeds of dog are compared to the wolf they're decedents of. Domestication is just natural selection with man doing the selection. The process of evolution takes place over thousands and millions of years.
There are fossils of the in between stages you're looking for. Lucy is a perfect example.
Lucy was 1.1 m (3 ft 7 in) tall,[18] weighed 29 kg (64 lb), and (after reconstruction) looked somewhat like a chimpanzee. The creature had a small brain like a chimpanzee, but the pelvis and leg bones were almost identical in function to those of modern humans, showing with certainty that Lucy's species were hominins that had stood upright and had walked erect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus))
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Lucy_Skeleton.jpg/440px-Lucy_Skeleton.jpg)
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We do. All life is constantly evolving.
Any domesticated animal could be used as an example. Look at how different breeds of dog are compared to the wolf they're decedents of. Domestication is just natural selection with man doing the selection. The process of evolution takes place over thousands and millions of years.
There are fossils of the in between stages you're looking for. Lucy is a perfect example.
Lucy was 1.1 m (3 ft 7 in) tall,[18] weighed 29 kg (64 lb), and (after reconstruction) looked somewhat like a chimpanzee. The creature had a small brain like a chimpanzee, but the pelvis and leg bones were almost identical in function to those of modern humans, showing with certainty that Lucy's species were hominins that had stood upright and had walked erect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus))
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Lucy_Skeleton.jpg/440px-Lucy_Skeleton.jpg)
Evolution is but a figment of the imagination as random chance does not accomplish anything. 'Natural Selection' does not exist as nature is not a living entity that is at liberty to select.
https://creation.com/no-more-love-for-lucy
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Total bullshit. A beginning of matter means matter would have to be created from nothing. A beginning of time suggests there was NOTHING before that point of a beginning. So you explain to me the concept of NOTHING. No time, no matter, NOTHING. So some magical chemical reaction that idiot me does not understand can occur out of NOTHING. Not just no matter, but no time, for it was before the beginning of time. So something happened when nothing can happen, for there are no dimensions, no time, nothing to evolve from. Go get a fucking petri dish, put NOTHING in it, in a vacuum that cannot be invaded, not even air or ANY atoms of anything ever and wait for a chemical reaction to occur Mr. Science.
The current moment is not in time, that's only a conceptualization of your mind, things change within the now, there is movement for sure. However, the now is always present, when it was the past it was now, when its the future its now, its always now. There is no other time called the future or past as the now does not come into and out of existence, it is existence!
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Genesis is historical fact.
https://creation.com/should-genesis-be-taken-literally
https://creation.com/genesis-bible-authors-believed-it-to-be-history
I'm quite familiar with creation.com, and they do have some interesting critiques of the mainstream scientific theories, and some defenses of the "young earth" position which I find fascinating. But the book of Genesis probably wasn't intending to teach a literal scientific history of the six days of creation. And the mainstream scientific theories do have very strong evidence in their favor (like distant starlight, etc).
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Exactly! Thank you for this clarity. It is all the more emphatic coming from someone who has evolved and transformed as you have.
No problem. St. Augustine, writing in the 4th century, wrote a commentary called "On the literal interpretation of Genesis." He argued the six days could not be 24-hours. For starters, there wasn't even a sun until day 4. Secondly, the population of the earth by animals vis-a-vis natural reproduction would certainly take longer than 24 hours (yet Genesis says it happened in one "day"). These things indicated to Augustine that Genesis was not literal.
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We do. All life is constantly evolving.
Any domesticated animal could be used as an example. Look at how different breeds of dog are compared to the wolf they're decedents of. Domestication is just natural selection with man doing the selection. The process of evolution takes place over thousands and millions of years.
There are fossils of the in between stages you're looking for. Lucy is a perfect example.
Lucy was 1.1 m (3 ft 7 in) tall,[18] weighed 29 kg (64 lb), and (after reconstruction) looked somewhat like a chimpanzee. The creature had a small brain like a chimpanzee, but the pelvis and leg bones were almost identical in function to those of modern humans, showing with certainty that Lucy's species were hominins that had stood upright and had walked erect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus))
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Lucy_Skeleton.jpg/440px-Lucy_Skeleton.jpg)
My question is why we dont have examples of evolution in process. If we know we derived from apes where is the modern day link?
We have chimps. We have apes. We have man. We had neanderthals. Where is the evolution?
Men, apes and chimps have been the same for thousands of years.
You use the example of the domesticated dog, which is a great example of evolution. What do fossils say about their evolution? Was there a segways between wolf and dog, a neanderthal version if you will? Or were they bred in their classes?
Can a human breed with an ape or chimp or can an ape and chimp produce offspring?
I'm asking this all legitimately.
Are there species in evolution right now and we can see the timeline or differences between the base and the evolution?
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I'm quite familiar with creation.com, and they do have some interesting critiques of the mainstream scientific theories, and some defenses of the "young earth" position which I find fascinating. But the book of Genesis probably wasn't intending to teach a literal scientific history of the six days of creation. And the mainstream scientific theories do have very strong evidence in their favor (like distant starlight, etc).
well look at you, all beliefs are false!
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well look at you, all beliefs are false!
LOL
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+ 25 kg of 'safety fat' on that porky ;D
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well look at you, all beliefs are false!
Why do you say that?
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Evolution is a theory not a fact.
It explains minor changes in species. Minor.
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Good points Ropo.
Where are the apes who are in the evolution phase to Neanderthals?
Or does evolution determine Neanderthals are extinct because they serve no purpose?
But why do we still have the same apes and chimps from millions of years ago? Why isnt there an example of a chimp ape/hybrid or ape/neanderthal in present day? It's odd that we dont have any evidence of evolution in process today.
First of all we need to understand some of the facts of the matter:
1. scientistic examination of this world is ongoing job, and so far we have found just a bits and pieces, this and that, not even nearly everything what there is to be found.
2. You have to understand time, millions of years, even billions of years which have passed by after these creatures dissapear. It isn't easy task find something as old as that.
3. in evolution, changes appear only when species gain something by it. For example, alligators and crocodiles has been just about same thousands of years and why? They are at the top on their food chain, so there isn't anything to gain. All they do is eat and breed, so why bother?
What comes to chimps etc. apes of course there is different evolution stages among them. Just google "primal evolution", there is lot to read. Point is that when species reach high end of it's food chain, evolution slows down because there is less reason to fine tuning. What comes to apes, in recent years they have found out that there is chimpanzee- tribes which have very strict hierarchy, lot like an army. There is soldiers and commanders, when they fight with another tribes, and they use sticks and rocks as a weapon. This and the fact that they have also found evidence of the religious behaviour from these apes, so tell me, is this another step of the evolution or what? Chimps are happy as a chimps, but will evolution rise them to walk with two legs? It may take another xx thousand years, but it will happen, because it is the route which they are going.
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We do. All life is constantly evolving.
Any domesticated animal could be used as an example. Look at how different breeds of dog are compared to the wolf they're decedents of. Domestication is just natural selection with man doing the selection. The process of evolution takes place over thousands and millions of years.
There are fossils of the in between stages you're looking for. Lucy is a perfect example.
Lucy was 1.1 m (3 ft 7 in) tall,[18] weighed 29 kg (64 lb), and (after reconstruction) looked somewhat like a chimpanzee. The creature had a small brain like a chimpanzee, but the pelvis and leg bones were almost identical in function to those of modern humans, showing with certainty that Lucy's species were hominins that had stood upright and had walked erect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus))
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Lucy_Skeleton.jpg/440px-Lucy_Skeleton.jpg)
You used about the worst example you could use as "LUCY" was debunked in the 70's. Why not use Piltdown or Nebraska Man next? ::)
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Evolution is a theory not a fact.
It explains minor changes in species. Minor.
Evolution, the atheist fairytale that everything randomly happened, is neither a theory nor a fact. Minor shifts within species are the result of limited variation (within kinds).
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The inherent problem with evolution OR God is the idea of time, which simply cannot exist. If God created everything, then who created God? If you say he is eternal, then what was he doing before he created everything? Before the Big Bang God was here doing what? The Bible did not address this as far as I know. If you say evolution, then there would have to be some form of potential energy that was turned into kinetic energy. But where did the potential energy come from? This WOULD violate the laws of conservation of energy. You could explain that there is an infinite point of origin, where simple gravitational forces somehow created matter, but this would still need some form of potential energy. But it all comes back to the idea that time simply cannot exist. We cannot stop time, and we cannot begin time. And this is where God AND evolution fall short. We must relate everything to time, because we are all dying but the Universe has no such concern. There is NO time.
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For example, alligators and crocodiles has been just about same thousands of years and why?
Every species has remained the same for thousands of years. Why? Evolution is false. Species are fixed. Monkeys beget only monkeys, and fish beget only fish. There is no such thing as an evolutionary transition.
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The inherent problem with evolution OR God is the idea of time, which simply cannot exist. If God created everything, then who created God? If you say he is eternal, then what was he doing before he created everything? Before the Big Bang God was here doing what? The Bible did not address this as far as I know. If you say evolution, then there would have to be some form of potential energy that was turned into kinetic energy. But where did the potential energy come from? This WOULD violate the laws of conservation of energy. You could explain that there is an infinite point of origin, where simple gravitational forces somehow created matter, but this would still need some form of potential energy. But it all comes back to the idea that time simply cannot exist. We cannot stop time, and we cannot begin time. And this is where God AND evolution fall short. We must relate everything to time, because we are all dying but the Universe has no such concern. There is NO time.
What a pile of rubbish. Everything came from God, who is eternal. He was involved in His activities with the Word (Jesus Christ) before He created all things.
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Evolution is a theory not a fact.
It explains minor changes in species. Minor.
So you believe every single animal, plant and even bacteria, now and in the past, appeared as is and fully developed, out of nowhere?
Their full forms just suddenly appeared on the Earth.
And then vanished. And then new one's suddenly appeared.
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Why do you say that?
that all beliefs are false?
Because all concepts are approximations of reality but never the thing in itself, never the noumenon.. Are the descriptions of a peach the same thing as eating a peach? they are straw dogs. the tao that can be spoken is not the eternal tao. Nothing is actual reality.
Truth needs no belief as its self evident, remove conceptual thought and the truth will be evident which cannot be conveyed by words. This was the buddhas point about a finger pointing to the moon, if you pay attention to the finger (words, thoughts, concepts) you miss the thing being posited, the moon (which is akin to truth).
non-duality is non-conceptual.
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So you believe every single animal, plant and even bacteria, now and in the past, appeared as is and fully developed, out of nowhere?
Their full forms just suddenly appeared on the Earth.
And then vanished. And then new one's suddenly appeared.
All species did suddenly appear fully formed.
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The inherent problem with evolution OR God is the idea of time, which simply cannot exist. If God created everything, then who created God? If you say he is eternal, then what was he doing before he created everything? Before the Big Bang God was here doing what? The Bible did not address this as far as I know. If you say evolution, then there would have to be some form of potential energy that was turned into kinetic energy. But where did the potential energy come from? This WOULD violate the laws of conservation of energy. You could explain that there is an infinite point of origin, where simple gravitational forces somehow created matter, but this would still need some form of potential energy. But it all comes back to the idea that time simply cannot exist. We cannot stop time, and we cannot begin time. And this is where God AND evolution fall short. We must relate everything to time, because we are all dying but the Universe has no such concern. There is NO time.
Time is a man made concept.
You’re likely correct There is No Time.
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What a pile of rubbish. Everything came from God, who is eternal. He was involved in His activities with the Word (Jesus Christ) before He created all things.
1, Where did your god come from then.
2, What has your god been doing since the time created all things.
3, What is your god doing now.
4, Why does your god stay hidden all the while.
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First of all we need to understand some of the facts of the matter:
1. scientistic examination of this world is ongoing job, and so far we have found just a bits and pieces, this and that, not even nearly everything what there is to be found.
2. You have to understand time, millions of years, even billions of years which have passed by after these creatures dissapear. It isn't easy task find something as old as that.
3. in evolution, changes appear only when species gain something by it. For example, alligators and crocodiles has been just about same thousands of years and why? They are at the top on their food chain, so there isn't anything to gain. All they do is eat and breed, so why bother?
What comes to chimps etc. apes of course there is different evolution stages among them. Just google "primal evolution", there is lot to read. Point is that when species reach high end of it's food chain, evolution slows down because there is less reason to fine tuning. What comes to apes, in recent years they have found out that there is chimpanzee- tribes which have very strict hierarchy, lot like an army. There is soldiers and commanders, when they fight with another tribes, and they use sticks and rocks as a weapon. This and the fact that they have also found evidence of the religious behaviour from these apes, so tell me, is this another step of the evolution or what? Chimps are happy as a chimps, but will evolution rise them to walk with two legs? It may take another xx thousand years, but it will happen, because it is the route which they are going.
1. Agreed
2. Fair enough. I hear the same argument from Christians who say the same thing about the biblical flood and why the Noah's ark cant be found.
3. My point is we are 1000's of years from 1000's of years ago. There should be something in the evolution stage. If religious militant chimpanzees is your example it's the first I've ever heard of it.
I guess my main point is we know science evolves as new information is discovered, as it should.
However there is a certain amount of, for a lack of a better word, faith that people apply to science being correct, until it isnt. That same level of "faith" in a creation/intelligent design is often mocked even though they evolve their understanding.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Time is a man made concept.
You’re likely correct There is No Time.
You are too stupid to understand what time is.
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1. Agreed
2. Fair enough. I hear the same argument from Christians who say the same thing about the biblical flood and why the Noah's ark cant be found.
3. My point is we are 1000's of years from 1000's of years ago. There should be something in the evolution stage. If religious militant chimpanzees is your example it's the first I've ever heard of it.
I guess my main point is we know science evolves as new information is discovered, as it should.
However there is a certain amount of, for a lack of a better word, faith that people apply to science being correct, until it isnt. That same level of "faith" in a creation/intelligent design is often mocked even though they evolve their understanding.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Try 50 000, 100 000 or 300 000 years if you want to see differences.
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You are too stupid to understand what time is.
::)
Really - You Have no Explanations/ are incapable of even trying to explain
Anything remotely coherently.
All you seem capable of doing is calling others Stupid.
It is you who is the Stupid One
You’re constantly displaying your stupidity on here.
So Go ye forth & procreate or For a Thick Fuck like you FUCK OFF.
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Try 50 000, 100 000 or 300 000 years if you want to see differences.
Time is irrelevant as life does not change over time. Species or kinds are fixed. Even 3 trillion years will see no differences.
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Time is irrelevant as life does not change over time. Species or kinds are fixed. Even 3 trillion years will see no differences.
Animal breeding, entire new kinds have been created with breeding, such as all the different kinds of dogs. And dogs themselves which originally came from wolves. Dogs are still able to breed with wolves.
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Time is irrelevant as life does not change over time. Species or kinds are fixed. Even 3 trillion years will see no differences.
LOL this isnt true.
Animal breeding, entire new kinds have been created with breeding, such as all the different kinds of dogs. And dogs themselves which originally came from wolves. Dogs are still able to breed with wolves.
This. Although this isnt the same as the transition from ape to man.
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LOL this isnt true.
It is infinitely true. You simply do not comprehend reality.
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Animal breeding, entire new kinds have been created with breeding, such as all the different kinds of dogs. And dogs themselves which originally came from wolves. Dogs are still able to breed with wolves.
Creatures beget only their own species or kind. Can you understand that? Dogs reproduce only dogs, and monkeys reproduce only monkeys.
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It is infinitely true. You simply do not comprehend reality.
That is true.
I rode my horse into work today.
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Hmmm, I guess I can stop buying new tires and painting my house.
Ya know, since time doesn't change anything. :D
Thanks, that will save me some money.
Does this "stay the same" apply to my abs ? :o
You are wholly human just as your great-great-grandfather was, aren't you?
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Hmmm, I guess I can stop buying new tires and painting my house.
Ya know, since time doesn't change anything. :D
Thanks, that will save me some money.
Does this "stay the same" apply to my abs ? :o
Don't you mean ab you never had abs ;D
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It is infinitely true. You simply do not comprehend reality.
You are a very aggressive man. :-\
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You are a very aggressive man. :-\
He is overcompensating he is obviously an angry man with tiny penis syndrome,with no friends to speak of and a social outcast.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/fbzYV2jK/sandwich.jpg)
OMG, he's munching juicy dino burger :o
Humans (creationists) shouldn't be brutally killing dinos & consuming them :'( :'( :'(
Loo Barrigan, do something to stop this slaughter of innocent ........
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Creatures beget only their own species or kind. Can you understand that? Dogs reproduce only dogs, and monkeys reproduce only monkeys.
So, Loo Barrigan cloning is a 'gods' creation 2 ::)
;D
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Don't you mean ab you never had abs ;D
Loo B. & his mob don't develop 6-packs, they grow 'safety fat' ;)
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1. Agreed
2. Fair enough. I hear the same argument from Christians who say the same thing about the biblical flood and why the Noah's ark cant be found.
3. My point is we are 1000's of years from 1000's of years ago. There should be something in the evolution stage. If religious militant chimpanzees is your example it's the first I've ever heard of it.
I guess my main point is we know science evolves as new information is discovered, as it should.
However there is a certain amount of, for a lack of a better word, faith that people apply to science being correct, until it isnt. That same level of "faith" in a creation/intelligent design is often mocked even though they evolve their understanding.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
3. For evolution 1000 years is about same than 1 hour is for you. What has happen in last 1000 years? For example among homo sapiens our average height has increase, because hight is one thing we benefit from. How? Small guys fuck ugly fat chicks, tall guys fuck better looking chicks. Ugliness and fat doesn't make your life any easier, so children's of tall guys and pretty chicks will be dominant, and therefore average height will increase year by year. It is simple as that. Have you ever seen a pretty chimp? That's why their evolution is so much slower, you see, they can fuck who ever they want, all day long, and that's it. Fuck and eat, fuck and eat... by the way, that also explains why development in Africa is so much slower than in Europe/USA etc.. ;D
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Loo B. & his mob don't develop 6-packs, they grow 'safety fat' ;)
I am trim and fit, like a tiger.
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Evolution, the atheist fairytale that everything randomly happened, is neither a theory nor a fact. Minor shifts within species are the result of limited variation (within kinds).
And it still have enormous amount of facts and evidence, tons more than this creationist fairytale of yours. For example, you haven't been able to answer any of my questions, or prove that my claims are false. What are you waiting for? You have God on your side, so why don't you present the evidence which prove that God exist? Furthermore, if that God of yours rule all the earth and universe, why he allows this kind of debate about his work? Why don't he tell me to shut the fuck up, instead to put one of his lamest morons to do that? I always wonder why those who speak behalf of him, are obvious idiots and morons, child molesters etc.?
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And it still have enormous amount of facts and evidence, tons more than this creationist fairytale of yours. For example, you haven't been able to answer any of my questions, or prove that my claims are false. What are you waiting for? You have God on your side, so why don't you present the evidence which prove that God exist? Furthermore, if that God of yours rule all the earth and universe, why he allows this kind of debate about his work? Why don't he tell me to shut the fuck up, instead to put one of his lamest morons to do that? I always wonder why those who speak behalf of him, are obvious idiots and morons, child molesters etc.?
The idiot is you. Read this, and get educated.
https://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin
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This is how I see the Southern Baptist Convention...
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I am trim and fit, like a tiger.
Bullshit, name your gym !.
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The idiot is you. Read this, and get educated.
https://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin
So you say, but why I have this feeling, that all this has happen time after time, again and again? This is what flat earthers has been saying, conspiracy theorists, holocaust deniers, all these morons have used this same quite lame argument. "You are an idiot, you don't know nothing, everything has been written in here _________ = add what ever link to the source of ridiculously stupid crap.
There were this Finnish nazi-racism- idiotic crap site, which present this challenge on their web page:"From the material, which have been provided by neo nazis, we pay you one million euros, if you with your own name prove that holocaust has happen..". You are just same: "Read what these morons has written, truth is in there". No it isn't. If you guys of god can't even tell how old world is, what the fuck you know about anything? Your estimations cover everything between 6000 and 4,5 billions of years. Am I only one who got this feeling, that these guys are just guessing?
Point is, that if you have evidence, you don't have to guess. Fact is that you don't have even single piece of evidence, just stupid claims and nonsense. For example, explain in your own words why and which period of time god create dinosaurs, and why, and when he kill them all? I know what happen, because there is scientific evidence which explain this. How about you? God create man..and bunch of dinosaurs to chase him, eat him to extinction? Would it hurt if there would be any kind of sense in these theories?
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It's short & sweet: Cloning technology kills creationism ;D
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It's short & sweet: Cloning technology kills creationism ;D
Cloning technology is creation, lackwit. God and humans are the creators.
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He is overcompensating he is obviously an angry man with tiny penis syndrome,with no friends to speak of and a social outcast.
Are tiny penises pro survival or anti survival (evolution related)?
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3. For evolution 1000 years is about same than 1 hour is for you. What has happen in last 1000 years? For example among homo sapiens our average height has increase, because hight is one thing we benefit from. How? Small guys fuck ugly fat chicks, tall guys fuck better looking chicks. Ugliness and fat doesn't make your life any easier, so children's of tall guys and pretty chicks will be dominant, and therefore average height will increase year by year. It is simple as that. Have you ever seen a pretty chimp? That's why their evolution is so much slower, you see, they can fuck who ever they want, all day long, and that's it. Fuck and eat, fuck and eat... by the way, that also explains why development in Africa is so much slower than in Europe/USA etc.. ;D
In the last 1000 years life expectancy also increased. In the last 50 years male pattern baldness has become an issue in Japan, a country where baldness was a rarity.
Increased life, height and baldness can be attributed to diet.
You use an example of taller men and women procreating over 1000 years but it isnt that simple. Humans have social constructions that would have to be a factor in your theory and despite all the years of the the best breeding with the best we still have many short and fat people.
Increased height is an evolution but it's not exactly a transformational evolution. You can use the last 150 years, or even the last 20 as our technological evolution, as an example where we now travel by multiple means and no longer dependent on horses or camels.
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In the last 1000 years life expectancy also increased. In the last 50 years male pattern baldness has become an issue in Japan, a country where baldness was a rarity.
Increased life, height and baldness can be attributed to diet.
You use an example of taller men and women procreating over 1000 years but it isnt that simple. Humans have social constructions that would have to be a factor in your theory and despite all the years of the the best breeding with the best we still have many short and fat people.
Increased height is an evolution but it's not exactly a transformational evolution. You can use the last 150 years, or even the last 20 as our technological evolution, as an example where we now travel by multiple means and no longer dependent on horses or camels.
Either way, a thousand years is too short.
Humans 50 000 or 300 000 years ago would look and be very different to today.
https://phys.org/news/2009-10-modern-men-wimps.html
...rowers of the massive trireme warships in ancient Athens who far exceeded the capabilities of modern rowers, Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight, and Australian Aborigines who could throw a spear over 10 meters further than the current javelin world record.
...in Ancient Greece, rowers on the triremes, which were a type of ship used by the ancient Greeks, could achieve feats that modern rowers can’t replicate. The explanation he gives for this is that these rowers had more robust bones. Almost everyone at that time had more robust bones than the men of today.
But even 2000 years ago, most men were stronger than today.
Alexander the Great's elite division the 'Silver Shields' were mostly men over 60 years old and many approaching 70 or more after his death in the later Wars of Successors. These were men still marching huge distances and fighting on the front wearing breastplates, greaves, carrying shields, spears and swords.
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Either way, a thousand years is too short.
Humans 50 000 or 300 000 years ago would look and be very different to today.
https://phys.org/news/2009-10-modern-men-wimps.html
...rowers of the massive trireme warships in ancient Athens who far exceeded the capabilities of modern rowers, Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight, and Australian Aborigines who could throw a spear over 10 meters further than the current javelin world record.
...in Ancient Greece, rowers on the triremes, which were a type of ship used by the ancient Greeks, could achieve feats that modern rowers can’t replicate. The explanation he gives for this is that these rowers had more robust bones. Almost everyone at that time had more robust bones than the men of today.
But even 2000 years ago, most men were stronger than today.
Alexander the Great's elite division the 'Silver Shields' were mostly men over 60 years old and many approaching 70 or more after his death in the later Wars of Successors. These were men still marching huge distances and fighting on the front wearing breastplates, greaves, carrying shields, spears and swords.
The Earth was created but 6,000 years ago.
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The Earth was created but 6,000 years ago.
That is completely impossible considering even civilisations existed before then.
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Are tiny penises pro survival or anti survival (evolution related)?
PRO because all women laugh at the site of his micro penis he has more time to work on nonsense
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Either way, a thousand years is too short.
Humans 50 000 or 300 000 years ago would look and be very different to today.
https://phys.org/news/2009-10-modern-men-wimps.html
...rowers of the massive trireme warships in ancient Athens who far exceeded the capabilities of modern rowers, Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight, and Australian Aborigines who could throw a spear over 10 meters further than the current javelin world record.
...in Ancient Greece, rowers on the triremes, which were a type of ship used by the ancient Greeks, could achieve feats that modern rowers can’t replicate. The explanation he gives for this is that these rowers had more robust bones. Almost everyone at that time had more robust bones than the men of today.
But even 2000 years ago, most men were stronger than today.
Alexander the Great's elite division the 'Silver Shields' were mostly men over 60 years old and many approaching 70 or more after his death in the later Wars of Successors. These were men still marching huge distances and fighting on the front wearing breastplates, greaves, carrying shields, spears and swords.
Yeah Ropo established 1000 years wasnt a long enough time, but we were able to point out the physical changes that occurred. In one generations time baldness became an issue in Japan.
Life has become easier. We rely more on intelligence more than physical strength. I'm sure the "Silver Shields" were the exception and not the norm for 60 year old men of that era.
Men today are retiring at 60....
I'm not suggesting we dont evolve, its obvious we do.
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How will we humans look in 2200?
How will Europe look in 2050?
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PRO because all women laugh at the site of his micro penis he has more time to work on nonsense
I am much larger than you in every regard.
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Yeah Ropo established 1000 years wasnt a long enough time, but we were able to point out the physical changes that occurred. In one generations time baldness became an issue in Japan.
Life has become easier. We rely more on intelligence more than physical strength. I'm sure the "Silver Shields" were the exception and not the norm for 60 year old men of that era.
Men today are retiring at 60....
I'm not suggesting we dont evolve, its obvious we do.
I don't think the Silver Shields were an exception to the rule. Only the strong survived and reproduced in those days leading to stronger genetics getting passed on. Today, people who would have died are saved by medication and pass those genetics on. Humans are becoming weaker.
Even with less nutrition, the people of the ancient world were generally stronger. People had to live very physical lives and those genes were passed on. According to the study of epigenetics, even the behaviour and lifestyle of parents affects the development of their child's genetics.
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Cloning technology is creation, lackwit. God and humans are the creators.
You are COMPLETE MORON !.
Don't forget to name your gym ;D
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I don't think the Silver Shields were an exception to the rule. Only the strong survived and reproduced in those days leading to stronger genetics getting passed on. Today, people who would have died are saved by medication and pass those genetics on. Humans are becoming weaker.
Even with less nutrition, the people of the ancient world were generally stronger. People had to live very physical lives and those genes were passed on. According to the study of epigenetics, even the behaviour and lifestyle of parents affects the development of their child's genetics.
According to genetics, your father was not a monkey.
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I am much larger than you in every regard.
I sorta "get" the silly creationist trolling -- lame as it is, I think you had a couple of people thinking you're serious -- but what's at all funny about this fat Asian chap?I
Yes, I know: it's beyond my comprehension :) You are, after all, a top scientist!
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I sorta "get" the silly creationist trolling -- lame as it is, I think you had a couple of people thinking you're serious -- but what's at all funny about this fat Asian chap?I
Yes, I know: it's beyond my comprehension :) You are, after all, a top scientist!
Have some respect for a science educator.
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I don't think the Silver Shields were an exception to the rule. Only the strong survived and reproduced in those days leading to stronger genetics getting passed on. Today, people who would have died are saved by medication and pass those genetics on. Humans are becoming weaker.
Even with less nutrition, the people of the ancient world were generally stronger. People had to live very physical lives and those genes were passed on. According to the study of epigenetics, even the behaviour and lifestyle of parents affects the development of their child's genetics.
I meant exception to the rule in that I thought the average life expectancy of that time was late 30's/40. If that was the case to live to be 60 was exceptional, especially when you take into account the amount of fighting that one of those soldiers would experience in their lifetime.
Again I dont argue that people of any era were stronger than we are today, primarily because life today is easy (in comparison to any other time in history).
And I do agree that modern medicine has allowed "genetically inferior" people to live and reproduce.
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Have some respect for a science educator.
Did I not just identify you as a top scientist? Did I not concede that your evidence was persuasive?
Oh, right. I forgot that I was being sarcastic :D
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Have some respect for a anal science educator.
fixed ;)
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beastie boys dropped science. word
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Have some respect for a science educator.
Try answering in a sensible/ coherent manner
Be fitting a Scientist
Not as an out of his depth Moronic Buffon
1, Where did your god come from then.
2, What has your god been doing since the time it created all things.
3, What is your god doing now.
4, Why does your god stay hidden all the while.
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Try answering in a sensible/ coherent manner
Be fitting a Scientist
Not as an out of his depth Moronic Buffon
1, Where did your god come from then.
2, What has your god been doing since the time it created all things.
3, What is your god doing now.
4, Why does your god stay hidden all the while.
1. Read the Bible.
2. Read the Bible.
3. Read the Bible.
4. Read the Bible.
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Try answering in a sensible/ coherent manner
Be fitting a Scientist
Not as an out of his depth Moronic Buffon
1, Where did your god come from then.
2, What has your god been doing since the time it created all things.
3, What is your god doing now.
4, Why does your god stay hidden all the while.
1. Read the Bible.
2. Read the Bible.
3. Read the Bible.
4. Read the Bible.
No I don’t & wont read the Bible
Oh & which version of the Bible is the real & Correct one ?
I’m asking you as the eminent scientist you claim to be
To offer your answers & explanations.
Are you unable to do that ?
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Try answering in a sensible/ coherent manner
Be fitting a Scientist
Not as an out of his depth Moronic Buffon
1, Where did your god come from then.
2, What has your god been doing since the time it created all things.
3, What is your god doing now.
4, Why does your god stay hidden all the while.
Priceless questions ;D
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Priceless questions ;D
The facts.
https://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin
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Oh Lon, you attention seeking, atheist troll, but hey keep putting the material out there.....you're not serving the purpose you think you are :)
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=656573.0 (https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=656573.0)
On a sidenote, https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=522416.0 (https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=522416.0)
Jon Harridan >>>> Ivan Drago >>>> Big Willy >>>> Ron Harrigan >>>> Lon Harrigan ;D
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I am a lover of science and the more I learn about it, the more I realize just how many gaps there are.
If history has taught us anything it's that most of what we regard today as scientific fact will be overturned in a few hundred years.
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LOL!
Lon got banned from the rel.board!
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LOL!
Lon got banned from the rel.board!
'Man of Steel' will be punished for his evil.
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'Many creationists will say, ‘We accept microevolution, but not macroevolution.’ As our main article points out, the ‘micro’ changes (i.e. observed genetic variation) are not capable of accumulating into macro ones, anyway.
We suggest, however, that it would be wiser to avoid the use of the term ‘microevolution’. To most people, it sounds as if you are conceding that there is a ‘little bit of evolution’ going on. I.e. a little bit of the same process that, given enough time, will turn microbes into millipedes, magnolias and microbiologists. Thus, you will be seen as churlish or, as in Dr Coyne’s inverted ‘train’ example, as irrational for putting what they see as an arbitrary distinction between the ‘micro’ and ‘macro’.
If the use of such potentially misleading terminology is unavoidable, always take the opportunity to point out that the changes often labelled ‘microevolution’ cannot be the same process as the hypothetical ‘goo-to-you’ belief. They are all information-losing processes, which thus depend on there being a store of information to begin with.'
--Carl Wieland
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'Man of Steel' will be punished for his evil.
Remember "Lon", on the religion board I am God. :)
I kid of course, but you're definitely banned. Thanks for the laughs!
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I am a lover of science and the more I learn about it, the more I realize just how many gaps there are.
If history has taught us anything it's that most of what we regard today as scientific fact will be overturned in a few hundred years.
This is why people arguing science should be arguing for the scientific method as opposed to "scientific facts" today that will be changed tomorrow. The age of the Earth has quadrupled in my lifetime. ::)
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I am much larger than you in every regard.
One question: Why do you keep sending these pictures of a fat and swollen mongolian guy? Is that you? You look like a moron with steady diet of train oil.
And earth is 6000 years old, you say? Ok. But science has proved that there were life on earth 100 million years ago. Explain this disharmony by proving that this scientific fact is false. Let me guess: instead of presenting any evidence, you just say they are wrong, and that you don't believe it ;D
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This is why people arguing science should be arguing for the scientific method as opposed to "scientific facts" today that will be changed tomorrow. The age of the Earth has quadrupled in my lifetime. ::)
Thankfully you have my video to explicate matters.
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One question: Why do you keep sending these pictures of a fat and swollen mongolian guy? Is that you? You look like a moron with steady diet of train oil.
And earth is 6000 years old, you say? Ok. But science has proved that there were life on earth 100 million years ago. Explain this disharmony by proving that this scientific fact is false. Let me guess: instead of presenting any evidence, you just say they are wrong, and that you don't believe it ;D
Below is the scientific evidence for a young Earth.
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#1 Very Little Sediment on the Seafloor
If sediments have been accumulating on the seafloor for three billion years, the seafloor should be choked with sediments many miles deep.
Every year water and wind erode about 20 billion tons of dirt and rock debris from the continents and deposit them on the seafloor. Most of this material accumulates as loose sediments near the continents. Yet the average thickness of all these sediments globally over the whole seafloor is not even 1,300 feet (400 m).
Some sediments appear to be removed as tectonic plates slide slowly (an inch or two per year) beneath continents. An estimated 1 billion tons of sediments are removed this way each year. The net gain is thus 19 billion tons per year. At this rate, 1,300 feet of sediment would accumulate in less than 12 million years, not billions of years.
This evidence makes sense within the context of the Genesis Flood cataclysm, not the idea of slow and gradual geologic evolution. In the latter stages of the year-long global Flood, water swiftly drained off the emerging land, dumping its sediment-choked loads offshore. Thus most seafloor sediments accumulated rapidly about 4,300 years ago.
Those who advocate an old earth insist that the seafloor sediments must have accumulated at a much slower rate in the past. But this rescuing device doesn’t “stack up”! Like the sediment layers on the continents, the sediments on the continental shelves and margins (the majority of the seafloor sediments) have features that unequivocally indicate they were deposited much faster than today’s rates. For example, the layering and patterns of various grain sizes in these sediments are the same as those produced by undersea landslides, when dense debris-laden currents (called turbidity currents) flow rapidly across the continental shelves and the sediments then settle in thick layers over vast areas. An additional problem for the old-earth view is that no evidence exists of much sediment being subducted and mixed into the mantle.
#2 Bent Rock Layers
In many mountainous areas, rock layers thousands of feet thick have been bent and folded without fracturing. How can that happen if they were laid down separately over hundreds of millions of years and already hardened?
Hardened rock layers are brittle. Try bending a slab of concrete sometime to see what happens! But if concrete is still wet, it can easily be shaped and molded before the cement sets. The same principle applies to sedimentary rock layers. They can be bent and folded soon after the sediment is deposited, before the natural cements have a chance to bind the particles together into hard, brittle rocks.
The region around Grand Canyon is a great example showing how most of the earth’s fossil-bearing layers were laid down quickly and many were folded while still wet. Exposed in the canyon’s walls are about 4,500 feet (1,370 meters) of fossil-bearing layers, conventionally labelled Cambrian to Permian. They were supposedly deposited over a period lasting from 520 to 250 million years ago. Then, amazingly, this whole sequence of layers rose over a mile, around 60 million years ago. The plateau through which Grand Canyon runs is now 7,000–8,000 feet (2,150–3,450 meters) above sea level.
Think about it. The time between the first deposits at Grand Canyon (520 million years ago) and their bending (60 million years ago) was 460 million years!
Look at the photos of some of these layers at the edge of the plateau, just east of the Grand Canyon. The whole sequence of these hardened sedimentary rock layers has been bent and folded, but without fracturing. At the bottom of this sequence is the Tapeats Sandstone, which is 100–325 feet (30–100 meters) thick. It is bent and folded 90°. The Muav Limestone above it has similarly been bent.
However, it supposedly took 270 million years to deposit these particular layers. Surely in that time the Tapeats Sandstone at the bottom would have dried out and the sand grains cemented together, especially with 4,000 feet (1,220 m) of rock layers piled on top of it and pressing down on it? The only viable scientific explanation is that the whole sequence was deposited very quickly — the creation model indicates that it took less than a year, during the global Flood cataclysm. So the 520 million years never happened, and the earth is young.
What solution do old-earth advocates suggest? Heat and pressure can make hard rock layers pliable, so they claim this must be what happened in the eastern Grand Canyon, as the sequence of many layers above pressed down and heated up these rocks. Just one problem. The heat and pressure would have transformed these layers into quartzite, marble, and other metamorphic rocks. Yet Tapeats Sandstone is still sandstone, a sedimentary rock!
But this quandary is even worse for those who deny God’s recent creation and the Flood. The Tapeats Sandstone and its equivalents can be traced right across North America, and beyond to right across northern Africa to southern Israel. Indeed, the whole Grand Canyon sedimentary sequence is an integral part of six megasequences that cover North America. Only a global Flood cataclysm could carry the sediments to deposit thick layers across several continents one after the other in rapid succession in one event.
#3 Soft Tissue in Fossils
Ask the average layperson how he or she knows that the earth is millions or billions of years old, and that person will probably mention the dinosaurs, which nearly everybody “knows” died off 65 million years ago. A recent discovery by Dr. Mary Schweitzer, however, has given reason for all but committed evolutionists to question this assumption.
Bone slices from the fossilized thigh bone (femur) of a Tyrannosaurus rex found in the Hell Creek formation of Montana were studied under the microscope by Schweitzer. To her amazement, the bone showed what appeared to be blood vessels of the type seen in bone and marrow, and these contained what appeared to be red blood cells with nuclei, typical of reptiles and birds (but not mammals). The vessels even appeared to be lined with specialized endothelial cells found in all blood vessels.
Amazingly, the bone marrow contained what appeared to be flexible tissue. Initially, some skeptical scientists suggested that bacterial biofilms (dead bacteria aggregated in a slime) formed what only appear to be blood vessels and bone cells. Recently Schweitzer and coworkers found biochemical evidence for intact fragments of the protein collagen, which is the building block of connective tissue. This is important because collagen is a highly distinctive protein not made by bacteria.
Some evolutionists have strongly criticized Schweitzer’s conclusions because they are understandably reluctant to concede the existence of blood vessels, cells with nuclei, tissue elasticity, and intact protein fragments in a dinosaur bone dated at 68 million years old. Other evolutionists, who find Schweitzer’s evidence too compelling to ignore, simply conclude that there is some previously unrecognized form of fossilization that preserves cells and protein fragments over tens of millions of years. Needless to say, no evolutionist has publicly considered the possibility that dinosaur fossils are not millions of years old.
An obvious question arises from Schweitzer’s work: is it even remotely plausible that blood vessels, cells, and protein fragments can exist largely intact over 68 million years? While many consider such long-term preservation of tissue and cells to be very unlikely, the problem is that no human or animal remains are known with certainty to be 68 million years old. But if creationists are right, dinosaurs died off only 3,000–4,000 years ago. So would we expect the preservation of vessels, cells, and complex molecules of the type that Schweitzer reports for biological tissues historically known to be 3,000–4,000 years old?
The answer is yes. Many studies of Egyptian mummies and other humans of this old age (confirmed by historical evidence) show all the sorts of detail Schweitzer reported in her Tyrannosaurus rex. In addition to Egyptian mummies, the Tyrolean iceman, found in the Alps in 1991 and believed to be about 5,000 years old, shows such incredible preservation of DNA and other microscopic detail.
We conclude that the preservation of vessels, cells, and complex molecules in dinosaurs is entirely consistent with a young-earth creationist perspective but is highly implausible with the evolutionist’s perspective about dinosaurs that died off millions of years ago.
#4 Faint Sun Paradox
Evidence now supports astronomers’ belief that the sun’s power comes from the fusion of hydrogen into helium deep in the sun’s core, but there is a huge problem. As the hydrogen fuses, it should change the composition of the sun’s core, gradually increasing the sun’s temperature. If true, this means that the earth was colder in the past. In fact, the earth would have been below freezing 3.5 billion years ago, when life supposedly evolved.
The rate of nuclear fusion depends upon the temperature. As the sun’s core temperatures increase, the sun’s energy output should also increase, causing the sun to brighten over time. Calculations show that the sun would brighten by 25% after 3.5 billion years. This means that an early sun would have been fainter, warming the earth 31°F (17°C) less than it does today. That’s below freezing.
But evolutionists acknowledge that there is no evidence of this in the geologic record. They even call this problem the faint young sun paradox. While this isn’t a problem over many thousands of years, it is a problem if the world is billions of years old.
Over the years scientists have proposed several mechanisms to explain away this problem. These suggestions require changes in the earth’s atmosphere. For instance, more greenhouse gases early in earth’s history would retain more heat, but this means that the greenhouse gases had to decrease gradually to compensate for the brightening sun.
None of these proposals can be proved, for there is no evidence. Furthermore, it is difficult to believe that a mechanism totally unrelated to the sun’s brightness could compensate for the sun’s changing emission so precisely for billions of years.
#5 Rapidly Decaying Magnetic Field
The earth is surrounded by a magnetic field that protects living things from solar radiation. Without it, life could not exist. That’s why scientists were surprised to discover that the field is quickly wearing down. At the current rate, the field and thus the earth could be no older than 20,000 years old.
Several measurements confirm this decay. Since measuring began in 1845, the total energy stored in the earth’s magnetic field has been decaying at a rate of 5% per century. Archaeological measurements show that the field was 40% stronger in AD 1000. Recent records of the International Geomagnetic Reference Field, the most accurate ever taken, show a net energy loss of 1.4% in just three decades (1970–2000). This means that the field’s energy has halved every 1,465 years or so.
Creationists have proposed that the earth’s magnetic field is caused by a freely-decaying electric current in the earth’s core. This means that the electric current naturally loses energy or “decays” as it flows through the metallic core. Though it differs from the most commonly accepted conventional model, it is consistent with our knowledge of what makes up the earth’s core. Furthermore, based on what we know about the conductive properties of liquid iron, this freely decaying current would have started when the earth’s outer core was formed. However, if the core were more than 20,000 years old, then the starting energy would have made the earth too hot to be covered by water, as Genesis 1:2 reveals.
Reliable, accurate, published geological field data have emphatically confirmed the young-earth model: a freely-decaying electric current in the outer core is generating the magnetic field. Although this field reversed direction several times during the Flood cataclysm when the outer core was stirred, the field has rapidly and continuously lost total energy ever since creation. It all points to an earth and magnetic field only about 6,000 years old.
Old-earth advocates maintain the earth is over 4.5 billion years old, so they believe the magnetic field must be self-sustaining. They propose a complex, theoretical process known as the dynamo model, but such a model contradicts some basic laws of physics. Furthermore, their model fails to explain the modern, measured electric current in the seafloor. Nor can it explain the past field reversals, computer simulations notwithstanding.
To salvage their old earth and dynamo, some have suggested the magnetic field decay is linear rather than exponential, in spite of the historic measurements and decades of experiments confirming the exponential decay. Others have suggested that the strength of some components increases to make up for other components that are decaying. That claim results from confusion about the difference between magnetic field intensity and its energy, and has been refuted categorically by creation physicists.
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#6 Helium in Radioactive Rocks
During the radioactive decay of uranium and thorium contained in rocks, lots of helium is produced. Because helium is the second lightest element and a noble gas—meaning it does not combine with other atoms—it readily diffuses (leaks) out and eventually escapes into the atmosphere. Helium diffuses so rapidly that all the helium should have leaked out in less than 100,000 years. So why are these rocks still full of helium atoms?
While drilling deep Precambrian (pre-Flood) granitic rocks in New Mexico, geologists extracted samples of zircon (zirconium silicate) crystals from different depths. The crystals contained not only uranium but also large amounts of helium. The hotter the rocks, the faster the helium should escape, so researchers were surprised to find that the deepest, and therefore hottest, zircons (at 387°F or 197°C) contained far more helium than expected. Up to 58% of the helium that the uranium could have ever generated was still present in the crystals.
The helium leakage rate has been determined in several experiments. All measurements are in agreement. Helium diffuses so rapidly that all the helium in these zircon crystals should have leaked out in less than 100,000 years. The fact that so much helium is still there means they cannot be 1.5 billion years old, as uranium-lead dating suggests. Indeed, using the measured rate of helium diffusion, these pre-Flood rocks have an average “diffusion age” of only 6,000 (± 2,000) years.
These experimentally determined and repeatable results, based on the well-understood physical process of diffusion, thus, emphatically demonstrate that these zircons are only a few thousand years old. The supposed 1.5-billion-year age is based on the unverifiable assumptions of radioisotope dating that are radically wrong.
Another evidence of a young earth is the low amount of helium in the atmosphere. The leakage rate of helium gas into the atmosphere has been measured. Even though some helium escapes into outer space, the amount still present is not nearly enough if the earth is over 4.5 billion years old. In fact, if we assume no helium was in the original atmosphere, all the helium would have accumulated in only 1.8 million years even from an evolutionary standpoint. But when the catastrophic Flood upheaval is factored in, which rapidly released huge amounts of helium into the atmosphere, it could have accumulated in only 6,000 years.
So glaring and devastating is the surprisingly large amount of helium that old-earth advocates have attempted to discredit this evidence.
One critic suggested the helium didn’t all come from uranium decay in the zircon crystals but a lot diffused into them from the surrounding minerals. But this proposal ignores measurements showing that less helium gas is in the surrounding minerals. Due to the well-established diffusion law of physics, gases always diffuse from areas of higher concentration to surrounding areas of lower concentration.
Another critic suggested the edges of the zircon crystals must have stopped the helium from leaking out, effectively “bottling” the helium within the zircons. However, this postulation has also been easily refuted because the zircon crystals are wedged between flat mica sheets, not wrapped in them, so that helium could easily flow between the sheets unrestricted. All other critics have been answered. Thus all available evidence confirms that the true age of these zircons and their host granitic rock is only 6,000 (± 2,000) years.
#7 Carbon-14 in Fossils, Coal, and Diamonds
Carbon-14 (or radiocarbon) is a radioactive form of carbon that scientists use to date fossils. But it decays so quickly, with a half-life of only 5,730 years, that none is expected to remain in fossils after only a few hundred thousand years. Yet carbon-14 has been detected in “ancient” fossils, supposedly up to hundreds of millions of years old, ever since the earliest days of radiocarbon dating.
Even if every atom in the whole earth were carbon-14, they would decay so quickly that no carbon-14 would be left on earth after only 1 million years. Contrary to expectations, between 1984 and 1998 alone, the scientific literature reported carbon-14 in 70 samples that came from fossils, coal, oil, natural gas, and marble representing the fossil-bearing portion of the geologic record, supposedly spanning more than 500 million years. All contained radiocarbon. Further, analyses of fossilized wood and coal samples, supposedly spanning 32–350 million years in age, yielded ages between 20,000 and 50,000 years using carbon-14 dating. Diamonds supposedly 1–3 billion years old similarly yielded carbon-14 ages of only 55,000 years.
Even that is too old when you realize that these ages assume that the earth’s magnetic field has always been constant. But it was stronger in the past, protecting the atmosphere from solar radiation and reducing the radiocarbon production. As a result, past creatures had much less radiocarbon in their bodies, and their deaths occurred much more recently than reported!
So the radiocarbon ages of all fossils and coal should be reduced to less than 5,000 years, matching the timing of their burial during the Flood. The age of diamonds should be reduced to the approximate time of biblical creation—about 6,000 years ago.
Old-earth advocates repeat the same two hackneyed defenses, even though they were resoundingly demolished years ago. The first cry is, “It’s all contamination”. Yet for thirty years AMS radiocarbon laboratories have subjected all samples, before they carbon-14 date them, to repeated brutal treatments with strong acids and bleaches to rid them of all contamination. And when the instruments are tested with blank samples, they yield zero radiocarbon, so there can’t be any contamination or instrument problems.
The second cry is, “New radiocarbon was formed directly in the fossils when nearby decaying uranium bombarded traces of nitrogen in the buried fossils”. Carbon-14 does form from such transformation of nitrogen, but actual calculations demonstrate conclusively this process does not produce the levels of radiocarbon that world-class laboratories have found in fossils, coal, and diamonds.
#8 Short-Lived Comets
A comet spends most of its time far from the sun in the deep freeze of space. But once each orbit a comet comes very close to the sun, allowing the sun’s heat to evaporate much of the comet’s ice and dislodge dust to form a beautiful tail. Comets have little mass, so each close pass to the sun greatly reduces a comet’s size, and eventually comets fade away. They can’t survive billions of years.
Two other mechanisms can destroy comets—ejections from the solar system and collisions with planets. Ejections happen as comets pass too close to the large planets, particularly Jupiter, and the planets’ gravity kicks them out of the solar system. While ejections have been observed many times, the first observed collision was in 1994, when Comet Shoemaker-Levi IX slammed into Jupiter.
Given the loss rates, it’s easy to compute a maximum age of comets. That maximum age is only a few million years. Obviously, their prevalence makes sense if the entire solar system was created just a few thousand years ago, but not if it arose billions of years ago.
Evolutionary astronomers have answered this problem by claiming that comets must come from two sources. They propose that a Kuiper belt beyond the orbit of Neptune hosts short-period comets (comets with orbits under 200 years), and a much larger, distant Oort cloud hosts long-period comets (comets with orbits over 200 years).
Yet there is no evidence for the supposed Oort cloud, and there likely never will be. In the past twenty years astronomers have found thousands of asteroids orbiting beyond Neptune, and they are assumed to be the Kuiper belt. However, the large size of these asteroids (Pluto is one of the larger ones) and the difference in composition between these asteroids and comets argue against this conclusion.
#9 Very Little Salt in the Sea
If the world’s oceans have been around for three billion years as evolutionists believe, they should be filled with vastly more salt than the oceans contain today.
Every year rivers, glaciers, underground seepage, and atmospheric and volcanic dust dump large amounts of salts into the oceans. Consider the influx of the predominant salt, sodium chloride (common table salt). Some 458 million tons of sodium mixes into ocean water each year, but only 122 million tons (27%) is removed by other natural processes.
If seawater originally contained no sodium (salt) and the sodium accumulated at today’s rates, then today’s ocean saltiness would be reached in only 42 million years, only about 1/70 the three billion years evolutionists propose. But those assumptions fail to take into account the likelihood that God created a saltwater ocean for all the sea creatures He made on Day Five. Also, the year-long global Flood cataclysm must have dumped an unprecedented amount of salt into the ocean through erosion, sedimentation, and volcanism. So today’s ocean saltiness makes much better sense within the biblical timescale of about six thousand years.
Those who believe in a three-billion-year-old ocean say that past sodium inputs had to be less and outputs greater. However, even the most generous estimates can only stretch the accumulation timeframe to 62 million years. Long-agers also argue that huge amounts of sodium are removed during the formation of basalts at mid-ocean ridges, but this ignores the fact that the sodium returns to the ocean as seafloor basalts move away from the ridges.
#10 DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria
In 2000, scientists claimed to have “resurrected” bacteria, named Lazarus bacteria, discovered in a salt crystal conventionally dated at 250 million years old. They were shocked that the bacteria’s DNA was very similar to modern bacterial DNA. If the modern bacteria were the result of 250 million years of evolution, its DNA should be very different from the Lazarus bacteria (based on known mutation rates).
In addition, the scientists were surprised to find that the DNA was still intact after the supposed 250 million years. DNA normally breaks down quickly, even in ideal conditions. Even evolutionists agree that DNA in bacterial spores (a dormant state) should not last more than a million years. Their quandary is quite substantial.
However, the discovery of Lazarus bacteria is not shocking or surprising when we base our expectations on the Bible accounts. For instance, Noah’s Flood likely deposited the salt beds that were home to the bacteria. If the Lazarus bacteria are only about 4,500 years old (the approximate number of years that have passed since the worldwide flood), their DNA is more likely to be intact and similar to modern bacteria.
Some scientists have dismissed the finding and believe the Lazarus bacteria are contamination from modern bacteria. But the scientists who discovered the bacteria defend the rigorous procedures used to avoid contamination. They claim the old age is valid if the bacteria had longer generation times, different mutation rates, and/or similar selection pressures compared to modern bacteria. Of course these rescuing devices are only conjectures to make the data fit their worldview.
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Oh Lon, you attention seeking, atheist troll, but hey keep putting the material out there.....you're not serving the purpose you think you are :)
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=656573.0 (https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=656573.0)
On a sidenote, https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=522416.0 (https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=522416.0)
Jon Harridan >>>> Ivan Drago >>>> Big Willy >>>> Ron Harrigan >>>> Lon Harrigan ;D
Well done M O S glad you Banned the Fucking Idiot off your Board
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Have some respect for a science educator.
Ha ha ha
MOS has got No Respect for You
Banned from the Religious Board
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Priceless questions ;D
Loads aShitForBrians Lon
Can’t answer them that for sure.
;D
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Well done M O S glad you Banned the Fucking Idiot off your Board
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You don't like debate?
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I have the power!
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You don't like debate?
Let’s see you Debate with the New Resident Fuckwit
And see how that goes.
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Well done M O S glad you Banned the Fucking Idiot off your Board
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Now he just needs to be banned from G&O! :)
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Now he just needs to be banned from G&O! :)
Yes & the sooner the Better.
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Now he just needs to be banned from G&O! :)
Why? I enjoy watching him make heads explode.
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Yes & the sooner the Better.
Agreed.
I toyed with him a little, much like my cat would play with a one-legged mouse. No challenge, no fun. The troll meter broke the mercury by his second or third post, by which time he exposed himself as Adam or somebody else bored out of their gdamned minds. (Like ND, I initially suspected Adam, but I dismissed that; Lod didn't display Adam's linguistic idiosyncrasies, like capitalizing science and such.)
I've since changed my mind, because even Adam is capable of learning. I think he is Lod, very bored and having a laugh at bullshitting everyone. I guess sister Jizzabelle isn't putting out enough or baking Adam's favorite hair pies often enough for his tastes...
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Why? I enjoy watching him make heads explode.
He didn't fool anyone, bro.
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Agreed.
I toyed with him a little, much like my cat would play with a one-legged mouse. No challenge, no fun. The troll meter broke the mercury by his second or third post, by which time he exposed himself as Adam or somebody else bored out of their gdamned minds. (Like ND, I initially suspected Adam, but I dismissed that; Lod didn't display Adam's linguistic idiosyncrasies, like capitalizing science and such.)
I've since changed my mind, because even Adam is capable of learning. I think he is Lod, very bored and having a laugh at bullshitting everyone. I guess sister Jizzabelle isn't putting out enough or baking Adam's favorite hair pies often enough for his tastes...
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Dr. Chauncey Crandall is a cardiologist based in Palm Beach, Florida. He also is a Christian and believes in the healing power of God which was dramatically displayed on October 20, 2006.
At the time, Dr. Crandall was working at the Palm Beach Gardens Hospital when auto mechanic Jeff Markin, then 53, came to the emergency room (ER) at the hospital. He had been on his way to work and wasn’t feeling good. His boss convinced him to go to the hospital.
Markin had just entered the ER when he collapsed to the floor due to a massive heart attack. His heart had stopped beating.
ER staff frantically worked on Markin for 40 minutes trying to resuscitate him including shocking his heart several times.
Towards the end, they called in Crandall, but there was nothing that could be done. When Crandall arrived, another attempt was made with the defibrillator, but Markin’s heart monitor continued to display the ominous flat line.
Markin’s fingers and mouth were already turning black. Dr. Crandall declared the man dead at 8:05 am.
He finished off the paperwork and the nurse started preparing the body for the morgue. As he was preparing to push through the doors to leave the ER, the Holy Spirit spoke to Crandall:
“Turn around and pray for that man.”
Crandall initially hesitated thinking it was a foolish thing to do. The room was full of staff and he was embarrassed to do it publicly.
But in recent years, Dr. Crandall had taken to praying for people. It started after Chad, one of his 11-year-old twin sons, was diagnosed with Leukemia in 2000. Despite treatment and hours of prayer, Chad died in 2004, but during this time Crandall started to regularly pray for his patients and saw healings.
The Holy Spirit spoke to Crandall again that he needed to pray for Markin.
Reluctantly, Crandall turned around and walked over to the body. As the puzzled nurse watched, he started to pray for the man and suddenly these words urgently spilled out of his mouth:
“Father, God, I cry out for the soul of this man if he does not know You as his Lord and Savior, please raise him from the dead right now in Jesus name.”
Crandall, who was the senior cardiologist, then turned to an ER doctor and asked him to shock Markin’s heart one more time.
Skeptical, the doctor out of deference to Crandall put the defibrillator pads on Markin’s heart and sent a surge into his body.
The nurse who was preparing the body screamed out in fright:
“Dr. Crandall what have you done to this patient.”
She was startled because Markin had suddenly started mumbling words and moving his fingers and toes. His heart monitor sprung to life showing a regular heartbeat.
Shocked by what was happening Crandall replied that all he had done was pray in Jesus name.
They rushed Markin to intensive care and within two days he was out of his coma. The man who was raised from the dead was the talk of the hospital.
But Crandall remembering his prayer that God would raise the mechanic from the dead if he wasn’t a Christian knew he still had some unfinished business.
He visited Markin in his hospital room and told him all that had happened. He asked Markin if he remembered anything from the incident.
Markin said:
“Dr. Crandall, it’s the most amazing thing. I was in a dark room and there was no light. It was complete darkness and I felt I was in a casket and I kept repeating that I was so disappointed.”
He added that someone came and wrapped him up and threw him in the trash.
Crandall remembered a Bible verse that talked about people being thrown into Gehenna, a place in Jewish theology of eternal judgment. It was also the name given a trash pit south of Jerusalem where people threw trash and even bodies. Gehenna constantly had smoke pouring out of it and it was used metaphorically to speak of Hell in the New Testament (see Luke 12:5).
He told Markin that he was spared from the darkness of hell and then shared the gospel. Markin accepted Christ in his hospital room.
To everyone’s amazement, Markin’s heart was completely healed. His mind which had been without oxygen for several minutes showed no ill effects.
God had raised him from the dead.
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Why do you dream about that fat Asian boy, Adam? :)
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Why do you dream about that fat Asian boy, Adam? :)
;D ;D ;D
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Damn it’s sad to see what some people have to do for entertainment. How in hell does a man have nothing more important to do???
I have learned though - I now know what the odd ones who used to play dungeon dragons (or whatever that game was) do now.
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Snip snip, cut cut and there goes great load of bullshit.
Sorry to say, but all that doesn't prove nothing more than what I have said from beginning. All you have is claims based on ignorance, and that doesn't prove anything. For example: You claim that there is helium atoms in the rocks, while BY YOUR ESTIMATION AND BELIEF, is should be impossible. Scientis doesn't use claims and beliefs, they use instruments and laboratories, and what ever they find, they can prove it as a fact. Do you understand? They can prove it, because their instruments shows it, so they always have evidence to back up their findings. They find helium atoms from the rocks which are 4.5 billion years old. Guess what? If you see it, it is there, and it has been there 4.5 billion years.
"Helium dating, method of age determination that depends on the production of helium during the decay of the radioactive isotopes uranium-235, uranium-238, and thorium-232. Because of this decay, the helium content of any mineral or rock capable of retaining helium will increase during the lifetime of that mineral or rock, and the ratio of helium to its radioactive progenitors then becomes a measure of geologic time. If the parent isotopes are measured, the helium dating method is referred to as uranium–thorium–helium dating; if only the alpha-particle emission and helium content are measured, the method is called the alpha-helium radioactive clock. Alpha particles are the nuclei of helium atoms emitted from the nucleus of the radioactive progenitor.
Before the use of mass spectrometry in isotopic geochronology, helium dating provided most of the dates used in the early geologic time scales. Helium ages, however, tend to be too low because the gas escapes from the rock. A thermal event that will leave most radioactive clocks relatively unaffected may have a drastic effect on the helium radioactive clock. In the future, helium dating may be found very useful for dating rocks of the late Cenozoic and Pleistocene, because rocks and minerals of this age have not been subject to the complex history of older rocks and minerals; thus, all the helium is more likely to have been retained. Fossils, as well as minerals and rocks, may be dated by helium dating. The relatively large amount of helium produced in rocks may make it possible to extend helium dating to rocks and minerals as young as a few tens of thousands of years old" -https://www.britannica.com/science/helium-dating (https://www.britannica.com/science/helium-dating)
So if there is these isotopes, which has certain half-life by laws of physics, there will be helium atoms in the rock. What you should ask is simple: Why did your god put them there? Just for fooling scientist to miscalculate age of earth? And what he benefit from this?
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Agreed.
I toyed with him a little, much like my cat would play with a one-legged mouse. No challenge, no fun. The troll meter broke the mercury by his second or third post, by which time he exposed himself as Adam or somebody else bored out of their gdamned minds. (Like ND, I initially suspected Adam, but I dismissed that; Lod didn't display Adam's linguistic idiosyncrasies, like capitalizing science and such.)
I've since changed my mind, because even Adam is capable of learning. I think he is Lod, very bored and having a laugh at bullshitting everyone. I guess sister Jizzabelle isn't putting out enough or baking Adam's favorite hair pies often enough for his tastes...
He didn't fool anyone, bro.
You’re right both times
His patheticness was exposed very soon & he’s just got no answers
A very poor specimen it is.
The More walls of copy / paste it posts the more it exposes its head
is the only one exploding.
It’s not even remotely funny or amusing - it’ll soon be Mentally beat
And Fuck off.
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'Lon Barrigan' is obviously a gimmick account.
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Why do you dream about that fat Asian boy, Adam? :)
My eye is on you, boy.
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He didn't fool anyone, bro.
He might not have fooled anyone but he sure made heads explode.
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My eye is on you, boy.
Eat me Adam.
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Here is a 4-hour science blockbuster for all serious students.
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Here is a 4-hour science blockbuster for all serious students.
You could have at least put in some effort to be a believable gimmick.
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You could have at least put in some effort to be a believable gimmick.
You should make the effort to watch the movie. I made it specially for deluded fools such as you.
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"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
--Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard University, winner of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
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"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
--Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard University, winner of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
Where did God come from?
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Where did God come from?
He's eternal. And don't try to wrap your human brain around this. God the Father and God the Son(Jesus) are eternal beings. They have no beginning and no ending. They live outside these laws your human flesh must follow.
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Where did God come from?
God always existed and was, thus, never created as He was already present at every time.
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Where did God come from?
He was created by "The One Above All", who in turn manifested itself from spacedust.
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He was created by "The One Above All", who in turn manifested itself from spacedust.
Who created space dust?
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Harridan is King!
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A facial reconstruction of the 3.8 million-year-old Australopithecus anamensis specimen found in Ethiopia in 2016.
(https://amp.insider.com/images/5d66bcb6f4fc244d7f309c5c-1920-1440.jpg)
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Anthropologists have found the oldest skull of one of our earliest human ancestors. The 3.8 million-year-old fossil changes our understanding of human history.
Aylin Woodward
The skull, nicknamed "MRD," was unearthed in 2016 in the Afar region in Ethiopia. By dating minerals in the rocks near where MRD was found, scientists determined the fossil to be roughly 3.8 million years old. That makes it the oldest Australopithecus skull ever found
(https://amp.insider.com/images/5d66bcb6f4fc244d7f309c5e-960-1291.jpg)
(https://amp.insider.com/images/5d66bcb6f4fc244d7f309c5d-960-720.jpg)
https://www.insider.com/first-australopithecus-anamensis-skull-discovered-in-ethiopia-2019-8 (https://www.insider.com/first-australopithecus-anamensis-skull-discovered-in-ethiopia-2019-8)
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The arguments against evolution begin to crumble under archaeological evidence.
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Anthropologists have found the oldest skull of one of our earliest human ancestors. The 3.8 million-year-old fossil changes our understanding of human history.
Aylin Woodward
The skull, nicknamed "MRD," was unearthed in 2016 in the Afar region in Ethiopia. By dating minerals in the rocks near where MRD was found, scientists determined the fossil to be roughly 3.8 million years old. That makes it the oldest Australopithecus skull ever found
(https://amp.insider.com/images/5d66bcb6f4fc244d7f309c5e-960-1291.jpg)
(https://amp.insider.com/images/5d66bcb6f4fc244d7f309c5d-960-720.jpg)
https://www.insider.com/first-australopithecus-anamensis-skull-discovered-in-ethiopia-2019-8 (https://www.insider.com/first-australopithecus-anamensis-skull-discovered-in-ethiopia-2019-8)
Ape skulls have nothing to do with humans. Keep grasping at straws.
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The arguments against evolution begin to crumble under archaeological evidence.
This article should interest you.
http://www.pravdareport.com/science/81549-dinosaurs/
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Ape skulls have nothing to do with humans. Keep grasping at straws.
You are correct, the Australopithecus did have the scull of an ape, but the neck, pelvis, humerus, and feet of a human. See video.
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You are correct, the Australopithecus did have the scull of an ape, but the neck, pelvis, humerus, and feet of a human. See video.
All creatures share similarities. Australopithecus was merely an ape.
https://creation.com/more-evidence-australopithecus-an-extinct-ape
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Dear Lod,
Are you still shy about sharing your CV?
I was curious to know where my favorite top science educator earned his credentials...
Apart from pics of that chubby Asian guy you love, anyway. He doesn't show up in JAMA.
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He's eternal. And don't try to wrap your human brain around this. God the Father and God the Son(Jesus) are eternal beings. They have no beginning and no ending. They live outside these laws your human flesh must follow.
Humans - pfft - silly beings.
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The arguments against evolution begin to crumble under archaeological evidence.
The internet has given a voice to everyone. People who are relatively intelligent , but not highly educated in math and science attempt to explain things. To someone uneducated their explanations seem to make sense, but in reality fail. When you look at any of the flat earth “evidence” - it’s all debunked by science. Not one piece of “evidence” holds up.
There is no sense in arguing with them though. They are unable to understand. Humans have always had a desire to be on the “right side” which is why people can be so passionate about different religions. That passion blocks the ability to see things rationally. For instance - you will never hear a flat earth Christian acknowledge the fact that most of the stories of the Old Testament are at a minimum strikingly similar to ancient tales. The epic of Gilgamesh is an example. They will also never acknowledge the Christian traditions such as Christmas being perfectly aligned with a pagan holiday or that even the story of a virgin giving birth to a savior being told LONG before the Judea/Christian god.
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I have the power!
NO U DON'T , stop stealing other people artwork .
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He's eternal. And don't try to wrap your human brain around this. God the Father and God the Son(Jesus) are eternal beings. They have no beginning and no ending. They live outside these laws your human flesh must follow.
How is life in Eastern Africa !.
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Ape skulls have nothing to do with humans. Keep grasping at straws.
And this is where you morons go wrong: You are assuming that it is an ape skull, because it look like one. First of all those scientist have skulls from the Genus Australopithecus to Homo sapiens, so they know what is the ape skull and what isn't. Secondly, you don't have any kind of information which is based on something else than denialism. "It can't be a skull of early man, because earth is only 6000 years old."? Just prove it, why don't you.
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And this is where you morons go wrong: You are assuming that it is an ape skull, because it look like one. First of all those scientist have skulls from the Genus Australopithecus to Homo sapiens, so they know what is the ape skull and what isn't. Secondly, you don't have any kind of information which is based on something else than denialism. "It can't be a skull of early man, because earth is only 6000 years old."? Just prove it, why don't you.
The fact that you think Australopithecus were geniuses tells me everything I need to know about you, son. Sure, some were smarter than others but why'd they go extinct? Maybe you just want evolution to be real because you're dying to fuck a monkey in the name of science or something. Either way, Lon has destroyed you with LOGIC and EVIDENCE. Hope this helps.
Tex.
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Science tell us that modern humans exist from 200000 years ago. Give or take 8000 generations. Nothing happened during all that time.
From the last 5 generations to today, humans have evolved from basic tools agriculture to space exploration.
Any logical explanations?
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He's eternal. And don't try to wrap your human brain around this. God the Father and God the Son(Jesus) are eternal beings. They have no beginning and no ending. They live outside these laws your human flesh must follow.
Beings?
being would make sense not beings.
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Science tell us that modern humans exist from 200000 years ago. Give or take 8000 generations. Nothing happened during all that time.
From the last 5 generations to today, humans have evolved from basic tools agriculture to space exploration.
Any logical explanations?
Ancient astronauts theory.
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Beings?
being would make sense not beings.
No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ.
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No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ.
There aren't two Gods. There is one God, who subsists in three persons.
"Go through the world Baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit "
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No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ.
Oh Jeez Wiggs !!
Seek Help Urgently
Matt will be Fearing for your Mental Health
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There aren't two Gods. There is one God, who subsists in three persons.
"Go through the world Baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit "
Tay-Tay, you're in Roman Christianity. I'm in biblical Christianity. The Godhead does not included the Holy Spirit. That's the trinity doctrine which is not biblical. There is God the Father in Heaven and Jesus. Both of which are eternal as the bible says.
Jesus in his human body is not a God no. But when he was in Godmode in the old testament he was. He does the will of his father which is God the Father.
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Oh Jeez Wiggs !!
Seek Help Urgently
Matt will be Fearing for your Mental Health
Ok "Illuminati". ::)
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Tay-Tay, you're in Roman Christianity. I'm in biblical Christianity. The Godhead does not included the Holy Spirit. That's the trinity doctrine which is not biblical. There is God the Father in Heaven and Jesus. Both of which are eternal as the bible says.
Jesus in his human body is not a God no. But when he was in Godmode in the old testament he was. He does the will of his father which is God the Father.
I do identify as Roman Catholic, albeit an Evangelical/ecumenical Roman Catholic with extremely strong Protestant (ie Lutheran, Anglican, Wesleyan, Pentecostal, non-denominational) sympathies. But the Trinity is not Roman. All Christians believe in it. Including Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, Charles Surgeon, George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, Dale Moody, William Seymour, Billy Graham, etc. The Trinity is the only way to make sense of all the biblical data. And when you worship Him in Spirit and Truth, He will affirm His Triune nature. 😊
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Ok "Illuminati". ::)
Thanks
It’s free advizes
Take it.
👍🏻
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Hmmm...tbombz and Wiggs. One of these two is "in Roman Christianity" and the other is "in Biblical Christianity"?
Nah. They are both "in sane".
It's the pot calling the kettle "nebrew" time again, folks!
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No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ.
Hey AFRICAN, have you met them both ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hmmm...tbombz and Wiggs. One of these two is "in Roman Christianity" and the other is "in Biblical Christianity"?
Nah. They are both "in sane".
It's the pot calling the kettle "nebrew" time again, folks!
You have been misled. The Biblical accounts are entirely factual.
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah
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Skimming through this clusterfuck of a thread reminded me why I don`t usually post in such.
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You have been misled. The Biblical accounts are entirely factual.
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah
I am not concerned with words quoted without the force of genuine faith by men (and women) that lack any real worth let alone authority. If you knew the Nazarene, there would be no need for this conversation. Anyone can claim faith but few, if any, actually live it as the One requested. Don't worry. I won't tell.
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You have been misled. The Biblical accounts are entirely fictional.
fixed :D
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The fact that you think Australopithecus were geniuses tells me everything I need to know about you, son. Sure, some were smarter than others but why'd they go extinct? Maybe you just want evolution to be real because you're dying to fuck a monkey in the name of science or something. Either way, Lon has destroyed you with LOGIC and EVIDENCE. Hope this helps.
Tex.
Where I did say that? What I did point out was the fact, that there is plenty of skulls of our ancestors to prove how they have developed by evolution up to modern times. In evolution, strongest will survive, and I don't mean strength. I mean strongest ability to overcome difficulties by environment, breeding etc. and that's is a fact. Species goes extinct because they lack something which is needed to survive, like they stay hungry while more efficient hunters take all the food. And dear asswipe, only thing what Lon has done, is gaining more fat to that wobbling body of his.. For real, it is a sin to put religious moron, words logic and evidence in same sentence ;D
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Science tell us that modern humans exist from 200000 years ago. Give or take 8000 generations. Nothing happened during all that time.
From the last 5 generations to today, humans have evolved from basic tools agriculture to space exploration.
Any logical explanations?
Homo sapiens born about 300 000 year ago. So why we have mobile phones and computers only now, not 200 000 year ago? First there was one, which some reason born to be the first homo sapiens. It take at least 12 years to reach sexual maturity, and then 9 months to give a birth to first born baby of homo sapiens. Repeat this until you have enough homo sapiens to generate rise of the IQ, and still you are taking baby steps to forward. First you learn how to get food from the nature...hey Bill, eat this---and if Bill doesn't die, every one can eat it. If Bill dies, we have to try again, until we find something which doesn't kill us. Then, after thousands of experiments you finally have a diet which doesn't kill you, so why don't you learn how to culture that food for everybody. After thousands of experiments you finally harvest your first crop, and still you have learned only this much. It will be long way to reach that intelligence level, that you can make your own tools and weapons, learn to communicate, learn to use mathematics etc. It take a lot of time, do you understand? Just compare, let say Ethiopia and Japan, for example? How long it would take Ethiopians to reach same technical level where Japanese people are today? These people have something like 40 point difference in average intelligence, because in Africa they main focus is breeding more Africans, while in japan their focus is getting wealth by technology.
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Homo sapiens born about 300 000 year ago. So why we have mobile phones and computers only now, not 200 000 year ago? First there was one, which some reason born to be the first homo sapiens. It take at least 12 years to reach sexual maturity, and then 9 months to give a birth to first born baby of homo sapiens. Repeat this until you have enough homo sapiens to generate rise of the IQ, and still you are taking baby steps to forward. First you learn how to get food from the nature...hey Bill, eat this---and if Bill doesn't die, every one can eat it. If Bill dies, we have to try again, until we find something which doesn't kill us. Then, after thousands of experiments you finally have a diet which doesn't kill you, so why don't you learn how to culture that food for everybody. After thousands of experiments you finally harvest your first crop, and still you have learned only this much. It will be long way to reach that intelligence level, that you can make your own tools and weapons, learn to communicate, learn to use mathematics etc. It take a lot of time, do you understand? Just compare, let say Ethiopia and Japan, for example? How long it would take Ethiopians to reach same technical level where Japanese people are today? These people have something like 40 point difference in average intelligence, because in Africa they main focus is breeding more Africans, while in japan their focus is getting wealth by technology.
Total bullshit. 300k or 200k years ago.lololololololol. Carbon dating is shit! The earth is young!
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Total bullshit. 300k or 200k years ago.lololololololol. Carbon dating is shit! The earth is young!
hahaha, 'Gropo' the science perv with the meddling hands, is getting DESTROYED by FACTS. His own method has turned on him LOLLOL. First he said that we have skulls from the genius Australopithecus, even though they were so stupid they died! Now he's claiming that homo sapiens were born 300,000 years ago ;D How the fuck would he know that? Oh, that's right...let's pick up some shit from the ground and check it for "radioactive decay".
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YellowNegligibleAnnashummingbird-size_restricted.gif)
Next he says that an increase of IQ is generated by the repeated action of sexual intercourse over time. LOL! Right now, Ropo the dope-O is having sexual intercourse will all his extraneous variables, hoping to breed a new high-IQ monkey.
Tex.
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Homo sapiens born about 300 000 year ago. So why we have mobile phones and computers only now, not 200 000 year ago? First there was one, which some reason born to be the first homo sapiens. It take at least 12 years to reach sexual maturity, and then 9 months to give a birth to first born baby of homo sapiens. Repeat this until you have enough homo sapiens to generate rise of the IQ, and still you are taking baby steps to forward. First you learn how to get food from the nature...hey Bill, eat this---and if Bill doesn't die, every one can eat it. If Bill dies, we have to try again, until we find something which doesn't kill us. Then, after thousands of experiments you finally have a diet which doesn't kill you, so why don't you learn how to culture that food for everybody. After thousands of experiments you finally harvest your first crop, and still you have learned only this much. It will be long way to reach that intelligence level, that you can make your own tools and weapons, learn to communicate, learn to use mathematics etc. It take a lot of time, do you understand? Just compare, let say Ethiopia and Japan, for example? How long it would take Ethiopians to reach same technical level where Japanese people are today? These people have something like 40 point difference in average intelligence, because in Africa they main focus is breeding more Africans, while in japan their focus is getting wealth by technology.
Good post.
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No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ.
Wiggs, your knowledge in Christian theology is lacking.
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fixed :D
My eye is on you, boy.
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Homo sapiens born about 300 000 year ago. So why we have mobile phones and computers only now, not 200 000 year ago? First there was one, which some reason born to be the first homo sapiens. It take at least 12 years to reach sexual maturity, and then 9 months to give a birth to first born baby of homo sapiens. Repeat this until you have enough homo sapiens to generate rise of the IQ, and still you are taking baby steps to forward. First you learn how to get food from the nature...hey Bill, eat this---and if Bill doesn't die, every one can eat it. If Bill dies, we have to try again, until we find something which doesn't kill us. Then, after thousands of experiments you finally have a diet which doesn't kill you, so why don't you learn how to culture that food for everybody. After thousands of experiments you finally harvest your first crop, and still you have learned only this much. It will be long way to reach that intelligence level, that you can make your own tools and weapons, learn to communicate, learn to use mathematics etc. It take a lot of time, do you understand? Just compare, let say Ethiopia and Japan, for example? How long it would take Ethiopians to reach same technical level where Japanese people are today? These people have something like 40 point difference in average intelligence, because in Africa they main focus is breeding more Africans, while in japan their focus is getting wealth by technology.
Jeez :o
I’ve Given you plenty of Grief over many things previously.
Only Fairs Fair & That’s a Very Good Post By You
I even go as far as to say I generally agree with what you’re saying.
Now that’s Even Surprised Me. !!!!!
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Total bullshit. 300k or 200k years ago.lololololololol. Carbon dating is shit! The earth is young!
Just name that African Dating "technology" ::)
;D ;D ;D
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Total bullshit. 300k or 200k years ago.lololololololol. Carbon dating is shit! The earth is young!
300k/ 200k years ago
Africans we’re Building Mud Huts no Windows or Doors
And invented Pointy Sticks
Guess What - They Still Got Mud Huts & Pointy Sticks
That’s Evolution & Progress For You.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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300k/ 200k years ago
Africans we’re Building Mud Huts no Windows or Doors
And invented Pointy Sticks
Guess What - They Still Got Mud Huts & Pointy Sticks
That’s Evolution & Progress For You.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
It's call Afro-Wiggz architecture of the 21st century ;D
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Total bullshit. 300k or 200k years ago.lololololololol. Carbon dating is shit! The earth is young!
Ok. And you have a better method than carbon dating, and it is called faith? Splendid, my dear moronic wanker.
Carbon dating isn't perfect tool, but it gets better if you know even something about it. How about this: "Radiocarbon dating is generally limited to dating samples no more than 50,000 years old, as samples older than that have insufficient 14C to be measurable".
14C is one of the atoms what they are counting to determine the age of the object. So, this method is accurate up to 50 000 years, but earth is only 6000 years old?
So how they can tell that these bones, these fossils etc. are millions of years old? By scientific facts, like a known half time of the known radioactive isotopes:
"The atoms in some chemical elements have different forms, called isotopes. These isotopes break down at a constant rate over time through radioactive decay. By measuring the ratio of the amount
of the original (parent) isotope to the amount of the (daughter) isotopes that it breaks down into an age can be determined"..
As you see, they aren't guessing like you guys are. They know these things as a fact. And if their tools aren't perfect, they still can measure timings with accuracy of ± 50000 years, so will it matter? The skull or fossil is about 300 000 years old, give or take 50000 years, so it's age is between 250 000 to 350 000 years. And your earth, earth of the morons, is still only 6 000 years old, because that is the point in history when homo sapiens- tribe was divided to tiny sect of religious morons, and massive sect of smart people ;D
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Ok. And you have a better method than carbon dating, and it is called faith? Splendid, my dear moronic wanker.
Carbon dating isn't perfect tool, but it gets better if you know even something about it. How about this: "Radiocarbon dating is generally limited to dating samples no more than 50,000 years old, as samples older than that have insufficient 14C to be measurable".
14C is one of the atoms what they are counting to determine the age of the object. So, this method is accurate up to 50 000 years, but earth is only 6000 years old?
So how they can tell that these bones, these fossils etc. are millions of years old? By scientific facts, like a known half time of the known radioactive isotopes:
"The atoms in some chemical elements have different forms, called isotopes. These isotopes break down at a constant rate over time through radioactive decay. By measuring the ratio of the amount
of the original (parent) isotope to the amount of the (daughter) isotopes that it breaks down into an age can be determined"..
As you see, they aren't guessing like you guys are. They know these things as a fact. And if their tools aren't perfect, they still can measure timings with accuracy of ± 50000 years, so will it matter? The skull or fossil is about 300 000 years old, give or take 50000 years, so it's age is between 250 000 to 350 000 years. And your earth, earth of the morons, is still only 6 000 years old, because that is the point in history when homo sapiens- tribe was divided to tiny sect of religious morons, and massive sect of smart people ;D
Radiometric dating attests the inescapable fact of a young Earth. Your statements could not be further from the truth.
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/doesnt-carbon-14-dating-disprove-the-bible/
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/carbon-14-dating/
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You're not bored with this yet?
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You're not bored with this yet?
With his retarded Intelligence level
He’d not get bored shoving peas up his Nose all day Every Day
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Radiometric dating attests the inescapable fact of a young Earth. Your statements could not be further from the truth.
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/doesnt-carbon-14-dating-disprove-the-bible/
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/carbon-14-dating/
And just like these tin foil hat morons, all you can present is the pages filled with this foil hat bullshit, which doesn't include any evidence at all. Just that same old crap, and your earth is still only 6000 years old. While you are spilling that crap all over this forum, scientist are looking stars which your God have create 6000 years ago, and put them so far that even the light of the star has to travel 100 000 light years before we can even see it. I find your claims to be ridiculously stupid, because that crap is against laws of physics, which also must be creation of God by your point of view..
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The ruins and monuments at Göbekli Tepe are from 10 000 BC.
(https://fountainmagazine.com/images/Issue-124/07d.png)
(http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/enlarge3/image_4996_2e-Gobekli-Tepe.jpg)
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No. What I said was correct. Beings. There are two Gods. We've only delt with one. The one known as Jesus in the new testament when he came as a man and the The Most High or Jehovah in the old testament before he laid aside his Godhood and came here for us. The God of the old and new testament is the same person. We've never delt with the father and will not in these flesh bodies. We have to go through Christ.
Very anthropomorphic! sounds like you have an idea of god or a concept of "it" which quite clearly it could not be as you are making it finite. Christ is consciousness man lol.
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There aren't two Gods. There is one God, who subsists in three persons.
"Go through the world Baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit "
I think eventually you will figure this out and stop with the exoteric non-sense. truth is co-eval and coextant, its immanent and transcendent and it;s now.
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The ruins and monuments at Göbekli Tepe are from 10 000 BC.
(https://fountainmagazine.com/images/Issue-124/07d.png)
(http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/enlarge3/image_4996_2e-Gobekli-Tepe.jpg)
That date is nonsense. The Earth was created only 6,000 years ago.
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If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?
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If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?
;D
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That date is nonsense. The Earth was created only 6,000 years ago.
Tell me, how is it you know that? ;D
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Tell me, how is it you know that? ;D
https://creation.com/6000-years
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https://creation.com/6000-years
Look, I fully grasp you're a trolling atheist, but how do you account for the use of the Hebrew word "yom" transliterated in English as "day"?
Remember the Hebrew language is a derivative of ancient Chaldean and is quite small. So small in fact that one individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material. Not all linguists agree on how words translate. Often times the differences are very slight, but occasionally they're significant.
I am much more persuaded by the notion of 6 days of creation occurring over 6 ages and that in fact we are existing in God's 7th day/age of rest after his activity of creation (as all 6 creation days had a “morning and evening” except day 7 which appears to be ongoing to the present). The hebrew word for “day” is "yom" and actually has multiple definitions. "Yom" can refer to the daylight, an actual 24-hour day or a long expanse of time (ex: an age). Moses who was divinely inspired to write Genesis had no other Hebrew word other than “yom” to use to describe these things so we must be willing to step deeper into the text and the source languages to understand it (because Hebrew to English isn’t always 100% cut and dry).
Hebrew words used in the Genesis creation account such as “happa’am” which literally translates into “at long last” (which Adam exclaimed after Eve’s creation) and Adam being asked to tend the entire garden and name all the animals, being put into deep sleep, being operated on for the creation of woman and the determination that man should no longer be alone (implying a period of loneliness on Adam’s part prior to Eve’s creation) would be hard, hard pressed to fit into a single 24 hour day. Also biblical references to the “generations of creation” and the biblical statement that a thousand years is like a day to God is compelling. These are just some things to consider and by no means an exhaustive list and I haven’t even discussed how creation events and cosmological and geological ages of the universe and earth align with creation accounts LOL….and they do!!
Gleason Archer was perhaps the foremost linguistic theologian who ever lived and prior to his death his explanation of biblical Hebrew (which he was an expert) puts the literal explanation of "yom" as a literal 24-hour day in Genesis 1 and 2 in absolute question.....he is by no means alone in this interpretation. There’s an old story that goes that as a student of languages Gleason would actually take notes in one language class using ancient Hittite LOL!!
Admittedly I was raised in a typical young earth (6000 years) literal days creation household, but I've done my own independent study and actually attended a series of lectures on these very topics (believers actually read and study). I see definite evidence for microbial changes (ex: evolution of bacteria and viruses yet both remain bacteria and viruses – the flu virus) and definite speciation in very small animals under 10lbs. We see that some birds (ex: some finches) have evolved slightly due to environmental circumstances (yet remain finches), but no significant evidence for a "macro evolution" position (one species into another) has ever been completely validated. The fossil evidence of the cambrian explosion (so many, many animals suddenly appearing at once) and the totality of fossil record lacking any specific transitioning examples simply doesn't support a species to species (macro) evolutionary change (and yes I'm aware that 'science' only has 'evolution' not 'macro' and 'micro'). We merely have artistic renderings (including some definite artistic license....the classic "deer to whale" evolution example) to help make the case. But a definite record of fossils? None yet. Even though our universe if almost 14 billion years old that is not enough time for a large species to evolve into another; hence some sects of the scientific community push for an even grander age of the cosmos than has been established in order to compensate for this…….modern cosmology refutes this “even older universe” position.
At this point in time I am much more persuaded and adopt an old-earth creationist perspective as I can still make a definite distinction between the concepts of age and evolution while in absolute support of creation, but I plan on continuing to study more debates (old v young creation, old creation v evolution, young creation v evolution, etc…) and continue my independent reading (I read this material everyday and listen to debates on these subjects almost daily). I’ve already taken university level physics, biology, genetics and chemistry courses (yes believers study science in school also) so I grasp the secular, scientific position (not exhaustively LOL, but beyond an average layman).
I’m humble enough to admit that I don’t have all the answers and believe me that coming to terms with this is not something I take lightly (it shakes some believers to their core and others to cry "heresy!!"), but like others I will continue to search out answers honestly and proactively. I’m simply willing to examine both secular science and theology and do so with an attitude of learning and humility.
If a day to God is like a thousand years to us then perhaps the earth is older than 6000 years determined by the Genesis lineage presented in scripture. Sure the generations following Adam and Eve date back 6,000 years but prior to Adam and Eve's fall from grace we have no idea how long they spent together in the garden.
So again, why do you know the earth is absolutely 6,000 years old?
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Look, I fully grasp you're a trolling atheist, but how do you account for the use of the Hebrew word "yom" transliterated in English as "day"?
Remember the Hebrew language is a derivative of ancient Chaldean and is quite small. So small in fact that one individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material. Not all linguists agree on how words translate. Often times the differences are very slight, but occasionally they're significant.
I am much more persuaded by the notion of 6 days of creation occurring over 6 ages and that in fact we are existing in God's 7th day/age of rest after his activity of creation (as all 6 creation days had a “morning and evening” except day 7 which appears to be ongoing to the present). The hebrew word for “day” is "yom" and actually has multiple definitions. "Yom" can refer to the daylight, an actual 24-hour day or a long expanse of time (ex: an age). Moses who was divinely inspired to write Genesis had no other Hebrew word other than “yom” to use to describe these things so we must be willing to step deeper into the text and the source languages to understand it (because Hebrew to English isn’t always 100% cut and dry).
Hebrew words used in the Genesis creation account such as “happa’am” which literally translates into “at long last” (which Adam exclaimed after Eve’s creation) and Adam being asked to tend the entire garden and name all the animals, being put into deep sleep, being operated on for the creation of woman and the determination that man should no longer be alone (implying a period of loneliness on Adam’s part prior to Eve’s creation) would be hard, hard pressed to fit into a single 24 hour day. Also biblical references to the “generations of creation” and the biblical statement that a thousand years is like a day to God is compelling. These are just some things to consider and by no means an exhaustive list and I haven’t even discussed how creation events and cosmological and geological ages of the universe and earth align with creation accounts LOL….and they do!!
Gleason Archer was perhaps the foremost linguistic theologian who ever lived and prior to his death his explanation of biblical Hebrew (which he was an expert) puts the literal explanation of "yom" as a literal 24-hour day in Genesis 1 and 2 in absolute question.....he is by no means alone in this interpretation. There’s an old story that goes that as a student of languages Gleason would actually take notes in one language class using ancient Hittite LOL!!
Admittedly I was raised in a typical young earth (6000 years) literal days creation household, but I've done my own independent study and actually attended a series of lectures on these very topics (believers actually read and study). I see definite evidence for microbial changes (ex: evolution of bacteria and viruses yet both remain bacteria and viruses – the flu virus) and definite speciation in very small animals under 10lbs. We see that some birds (ex: some finches) have evolved slightly due to environmental circumstances (yet remain finches), but no significant evidence for a "macro evolution" position (one species into another) has ever been completely validated. The fossil evidence of the cambrian explosion (so many, many animals suddenly appearing at once) and the totality of fossil record lacking any specific transitioning examples simply doesn't support a species to species (macro) evolutionary change (and yes I'm aware that 'science' only has 'evolution' not 'macro' and 'micro'). We merely have artistic renderings (including some definite artistic license....the classic "deer to whale" evolution example) to help make the case. But a definite record of fossils? None yet. Even though our universe if almost 14 billion years old that is not enough time for a large species to evolve into another; hence some sects of the scientific community push for an even grander age of the cosmos than has been established in order to compensate for this…….modern cosmology refutes this “even older universe” position.
At this point in time I am much more persuaded and adopt an old-earth creationist perspective as I can still make a definite distinction between the concepts of age and evolution while in absolute support of creation, but I plan on continuing to study more debates (old v young creation, old creation v evolution, young creation v evolution, etc…) and continue my independent reading (I read this material everyday and listen to debates on these subjects almost daily). I’ve already taken university level physics, biology, genetics and chemistry courses (yes believers study science in school also) so I grasp the secular, scientific position (not exhaustively LOL, but beyond an average layman).
I’m humble enough to admit that I don’t have all the answers and believe me that coming to terms with this is not something I take lightly (it shakes some believers to their core and others to cry "heresy!!"), but like others I will continue to search out answers honestly and proactively. I’m simply willing to examine both secular science and theology and do so with an attitude of learning and humility.
If a day to God is like a thousand years to us then perhaps the earth is older than 6000 years determined by the Genesis lineage presented in scripture. Sure the generations following Adam and Eve date back 6,000 years but prior to Adam and Eve's fall from grace we have no idea how long they spent together in the garden.
So again, why do you know the earth is absolutely 6,000 years old?
https://creation.com/how-long-were-the-days-of-genesis-1
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https://creation.com/6000-years
exactly 6000 years ::) ;D
why not 5999 years ,9 months, 14 days & 49 minutes :o
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Look, I fully grasp you're a trolling atheist, but how do you account for the use of the Hebrew word "yom" transliterated in English as "day"?
Remember the Hebrew language is a derivative of ancient Chaldean and is quite small. So small in fact that one individual can memorize every word in the language so attempts at producing new translations from the same available manuscripts can produce slightly different translations in terms of OT material. Not all linguists agree on how words translate. Often times the differences are very slight, but occasionally they're significant.
I am much more persuaded by the notion of 6 days of creation occurring over 6 ages and that in fact we are existing in God's 7th day/age of rest after his activity of creation (as all 6 creation days had a “morning and evening” except day 7 which appears to be ongoing to the present). The hebrew word for “day” is "yom" and actually has multiple definitions. "Yom" can refer to the daylight, an actual 24-hour day or a long expanse of time (ex: an age). Moses who was divinely inspired to write Genesis had no other Hebrew word other than “yom” to use to describe these things so we must be willing to step deeper into the text and the source languages to understand it (because Hebrew to English isn’t always 100% cut and dry).
Hebrew words used in the Genesis creation account such as “happa’am” which literally translates into “at long last” (which Adam exclaimed after Eve’s creation) and Adam being asked to tend the entire garden and name all the animals, being put into deep sleep, being operated on for the creation of woman and the determination that man should no longer be alone (implying a period of loneliness on Adam’s part prior to Eve’s creation) would be hard, hard pressed to fit into a single 24 hour day. Also biblical references to the “generations of creation” and the biblical statement that a thousand years is like a day to God is compelling. These are just some things to consider and by no means an exhaustive list and I haven’t even discussed how creation events and cosmological and geological ages of the universe and earth align with creation accounts LOL….and they do!!
Gleason Archer was perhaps the foremost linguistic theologian who ever lived and prior to his death his explanation of biblical Hebrew (which he was an expert) puts the literal explanation of "yom" as a literal 24-hour day in Genesis 1 and 2 in absolute question.....he is by no means alone in this interpretation. There’s an old story that goes that as a student of languages Gleason would actually take notes in one language class using ancient Hittite LOL!!
Admittedly I was raised in a typical young earth (6000 years) literal days creation household, but I've done my own independent study and actually attended a series of lectures on these very topics (believers actually read and study). I see definite evidence for microbial changes (ex: evolution of bacteria and viruses yet both remain bacteria and viruses – the flu virus) and definite speciation in very small animals under 10lbs. We see that some birds (ex: some finches) have evolved slightly due to environmental circumstances (yet remain finches), but no significant evidence for a "macro evolution" position (one species into another) has ever been completely validated. The fossil evidence of the cambrian explosion (so many, many animals suddenly appearing at once) and the totality of fossil record lacking any specific transitioning examples simply doesn't support a species to species (macro) evolutionary change (and yes I'm aware that 'science' only has 'evolution' not 'macro' and 'micro'). We merely have artistic renderings (including some definite artistic license....the classic "deer to whale" evolution example) to help make the case. But a definite record of fossils? None yet. Even though our universe if almost 14 billion years old that is not enough time for a large species to evolve into another; hence some sects of the scientific community push for an even grander age of the cosmos than has been established in order to compensate for this…….modern cosmology refutes this “even older universe” position.
At this point in time I am much more persuaded and adopt an old-earth creationist perspective as I can still make a definite distinction between the concepts of age and evolution while in absolute support of creation, but I plan on continuing to study more debates (old v young creation, old creation v evolution, young creation v evolution, etc…) and continue my independent reading (I read this material everyday and listen to debates on these subjects almost daily). I’ve already taken university level physics, biology, genetics and chemistry courses (yes believers study science in school also) so I grasp the secular, scientific position (not exhaustively LOL, but beyond an average layman).
I’m humble enough to admit that I don’t have all the answers and believe me that coming to terms with this is not something I take lightly (it shakes some believers to their core and others to cry "heresy!!"), but like others I will continue to search out answers honestly and proactively. I’m simply willing to examine both secular science and theology and do so with an attitude of learning and humility.
If a day to God is like a thousand years to us then perhaps the earth is older than 6000 years determined by the Genesis lineage presented in scripture. Sure the generations following Adam and Eve date back 6,000 years but prior to Adam and Eve's fall from grace we have no idea how long they spent together in the garden.
So again, why do you know the earth is absolutely 6,000 years old?
If we are to believe Plato, an Egyptian priest of the name Sonchis told the Athenian statesman Solon that Egypt was founded in 8600 BC and it itself was not the oldest civilisation.
The example of Göbekli Tepe is dated at 10 000 BC, so even archaeology is indicating that human civilisation is far older than we thought.
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exactly 6000 years ::) ;D
why not 5999 years ,9 months, 14 days & 49 minutes :o
It is a rough figure.
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exactly 6000 years ::) ;D
why not 5999 years ,9 months, 14 days & 49 minutes :o
How about a smooth figure.
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If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?
Do you really want to know? You may not like an answer, you see..but anyway: Scientific studies has proved, that South Koreans have a highest average IQ among Japanese, Taiwanese etc. countries. Lowest average IQ is found from Africa, Caribbean islands etc. places. While average South Korean has an IQ of 108 points, average people of Equatorial Guinea has 59 points. Smart dogs has + 60 IQ points, so do this answer your question? You can say that people with less than 75 IQ points, are merely primates, not quite at the level of humans..just like Wiggs etc. characters here ;D
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If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?
Exactly...These fucktards want to believe they came from apes. They don't want to be held accountable to God.
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Sky wizards ::)
Hundreds of religions, and all are retarded cults...
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Exactly...These fucktards want to believe they came from apes. They don't want to be held accountable to God.
You obviously know very little about evolution. Men and apes had a common ancestor.
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Sky wizards ::)
Hundreds of religions, and all are retarded cults...
Do you have anything of VALUE to add to conversation other than your thought provoking ad-hominem attacks. I'm reasonable certain you can't intelligently argue any side of this conversation. I'll wait....
This isn't about RELIGION. This is about Truth. Evolution is a religion and Big Bang is their God. Creationism isn't a religion. It's fact.
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When people debate the age of the earth the board has sunk to a new low.
The motive behind the apologists for religion is they have to reject science if they want to keep their religion in tact.
Clearly it would be far more intelligent to discard the nonsense (all religions) and keep science and technology.
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You obviously know very little about evolution. Men and apes had a common ancestor.
Shut up dumb ass. You're not qualified to speak on these matters. You disqualified yourself years ago. Go take a nap you hairy balding old goof.
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Shut up dumb ass. You're not qualified to speak on these matters. You disqualified yourself years ago. Go take a nap you hairy balding old goof.
Wiggs, shake your sorry head. Years ago you were a good poster. In recent years you have stumbled and become a jackass. Quite amusing to read your crap.
You live in your safe little world and throw stones at intelligent, educated people.
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If Humans actually evolved from monkeys, shouldn't there be a bunch of half human-half monkey people living somewhere? Where are they?
This From Ropo
“Do you really want to know? You may not like an answer, you see..but anyway: Scientific studies has proved, that South Koreans have a highest average IQ among Japanese, Taiwanese etc. countries. Lowest average IQ is found from Africa, Caribbean islands etc. places. While average South Korean has an IQ of 108 points, average people of Equatorial Guinea has 59 points. Smart dogs has + 60 IQ points, so do this answer your question? You can say that people with less than 75 IQ points, are merely primates, not quite at the level of humans..just like Wiggs etc.”
Yes there are & Mainly living in Africa - Though some of the more intelligent ones have
Migrated to other countries- Look at any large inner city & you’ll find them.
;D
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Not reading through this thread but can someone summarize who the creationism believers are? I just want to know that.
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Wiggs, shake your sorry head. Years ago you were a good poster. In recent years you have stumbled and become a jackass. Quite amusing to read your crap.
You live in your safe little world and throw stones at intelligent, educated people.
I truly feel sorry for you. You have a day coming called the great regret. It is the day when you are awakened by Christ and are called to be judged on every unrepentant thing you've said and done. And every time I and others have witnessed to you will be brought up as.will.your.rejections. So take note, this is another of those times. In the end, you will bow. Then, you will be thrown in the lake of fire. Mark these words Vince Basile.
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Too bad God is not able to forgive Scott
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I truly feel sorry for you. You have a day coming called the great regret. It is the day when you are awakened by Christ and are called to be judged on every unrepentant thing you've said and done. And every time I and others have witnessed to you will be brought up as.will.your.rejections. So take note, this is another of those times. In the end, you will bow. Then, you will be thrown in the lake of fire. Mark these words Vince Basile.
What a disgusting individual you are. Christ was a fabricated entity so won’t be judging anyone. I fear no man!
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What a disgusting individual you are. Christ was a fabricated entity so won’t be judging anyone. I fear no man!
The truth cuts like a sword Basile and I just gave you a heavy dose of your future with the path you've been on. I guaren-damn-tee you won't be saying that during judgment. I gueren-damn-tee you will regret ever thinking those words. You will bow before Jesus Christ, I guaren-damn-tee that! Keep on going tubby, how much do you want to add to the pot?
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"If man is five, if man is five, if man is five
Then the devil is six, then the devil is six
The devil is six, the devil is six and if the devil is six
Then God is seven , then God is seven, the God is seven"
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Men and apes had a common ancestor.
How is this possible when only apes begat apes and only men begat men? Men and apes have always been separate. This supposed common ancestor never existed.
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Do you really want to know? You may not like an answer, you see..but anyway: Scientific studies has proved, that South Koreans have a highest average IQ among Japanese, Taiwanese etc. countries. Lowest average IQ is found from Africa, Caribbean islands etc. places. While average South Korean has an IQ of 108 points, average people of Equatorial Guinea has 59 points. Smart dogs has + 60 IQ points, so do this answer your question? You can say that people with less than 75 IQ points, are merely primates, not quite at the level of humans..just like Wiggs etc. characters here ;D
;D
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The truth cuts like a sword Basile and I just gave you a heavy dose of your future with the path you've been on. I guaren-damn-tee you won't be saying that during judgment. I gueren-damn-tee you will regret ever thinking those words. You will bow before Jesus Christ, I guaren-damn-tee that! Keep on going tubby, how much do you want to add to the pot?
While your right about all this, your approach is only going to harden him in his unbelief.
Vince, Jesus was a very real historical figure. And He really did die for our sins, out of love for us, and rose again from the dead. He loves you, and He loves idiots like me and Wiggs too. 😊
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While your right about all this, your approach is only going to harden him in his unbelief.
Vince, Jesus was a very real historical figure. And He really did die for our sins, out of love for us, and rose again from the dead. He loves you, and He loves idiots like me and Wiggs too. 😊
Does he love Pontius Pilate ?
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While your right about all this, your approach is only going to harden him in his unbelief.
Vince, Jesus was a very real historical figure. And He really did die for our sins, out of love for us, and rose again from the dead. He loves you, and He loves idiots like me and Wiggs too. 😊
A scientist knows he could be mistaken but religious people never doubt their beliefs.
There is NO evidence that JC ever walked this earth. Period. No historical evidence. There was no trial by Pontius Pilate and therefore no crucifixion and obviously no resurrection.
Believers would rather die than abandon cherished beliefs.
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Let’s talk about designs. What kind of design results in women having periods every month? This messy event can be explained only by evolution.
Also, who designed all those nasty diseases, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders, and snakes? They obviously evolved like all living things.
Wiggs claims I will burn in some perpetual fire for what I post here. That sorry human being is a certified sadistic pervert to utter such filt. He should be trying to save me instead of condemning me to burn in hell.
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Let’s talk about designs. What kind of design results in women having periods every month? This messy event can be explained only by evolution.
Also, who designed all those nasty diseases, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders, and snakes? They obviously evolved like all living things.
Wiggs claims I will burn in some perpetual fire for what I post here. That sorry human being is a certified sadistic pervert to utter such filt. He should be trying to save me instead of condemning me to burn in hell.
Yes, he has deteriorated from an upstanding citizen to utter wacky hardcore religious filt.
I feel sorry for him that he got deceived so easily.
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Let’s talk about designs. What kind of design results in women having periods every month? This messy event can be explained only by evolution.
Also, who designed all those nasty diseases, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders, and snakes? They obviously evolved like all living things.
Wiggs claims I will burn in some perpetual fire for what I post here. That sorry human being is a certified sadistic pervert to utter such filt. He should be trying to save me instead of condemning me to burn in hell.
I find it very strange they are men of a Supposed god of love / understanding / peace / tolerance
Yet condem so many to Hell fire !!
They blindly & unquestioningly believe in a Weirdy Beardy Sky God
No one’s seen or heard ::) and follow various books of Fairy tales,
Yet they don’t for one moment stop to question the stupidity of it
Or their own sanity.
Apply the exact same kind of belief/ thought to anything other than a God
And they’d think you Bonkers - Oh The Irony.
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A scientist knows he could be mistaken but religious people never doubt their beliefs.
There is NO evidence that JC ever walked this earth. Period. No historical evidence. There was no trial by Pontius Pilate and therefore no crucifixion and obviously no resurrection.
Believers would rather die than abandon cherished beliefs.
There is much evidence of Christ.
https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real
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I find it very strange they are men of a Supposed god of love / understanding / peace / tolerance
Yet condem so many to Hell fire !!
They blindly & unquestioningly believe in a Weirdy Beardy Sky God
No one’s seen or heard ::) and follow various books of Fairy tales,
Yet they don’t for one moment stop to question the stupidity of it
Or their own sanity.
Apply the exact same kind of belief/ thought to anything other than a God
And they’d think you Bonkers - Oh The Irony.
As a mindless idiot, your nonsense claims are irrelevant.
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While your right about all this, your approach is only going to harden him in his unbelief.
Vince, Jesus was a very real historical figure. And He really did die for our sins, out of love for us, and rose again from the dead. He loves you, and He loves idiots like me and Wiggs too. 😊
Thats not what it means dude! you are taking it literal and missing the point, you are literally mistaking the finger pointing at the moon for the moon. He is referring to consciousness, to be born again is to be born into unity consciousness, to engage in kenosis, both apophatic and cataphatic lead there.
Seriously, just put aside your beliefs, they are all wrong, its an experiential thing.
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These excellent books by J. Warner Wallace furnish incontestable evidence that Christianity is the true religion.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1434704696/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1434707849/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i3
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This From Ropo
“Do you really want to know? You may not like an answer, you see..but anyway: Scientific studies has proved, that South Koreans have a highest average IQ among Japanese, Taiwanese etc. countries. Lowest average IQ is found from Africa, Caribbean islands etc. places. While average South Korean has an IQ of 108 points, average people of Equatorial Guinea has 59 points. Smart dogs has + 60 IQ points, so do this answer your question? You can say that people with less than 75 IQ points, are merely primates, not quite at the level of humans..just like Wiggs etc.”
Yes there are & Mainly living in Africa - Though some of the more intelligent ones have
Migrated to other countries- Look at any large inner city & you’ll find them.
;D
Over 100 000 Afro doctors & engineers arrived in Sweden since 2016 , but 95% of them can't read & write ::) ??? ;D
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As a mindless idiot, your nonsense claims are irrelevant.
Ahha Shit for Brains Who Ratteled your Cage
Please Tell Me your Weirdy Beardy Sky Wizard is Going to turn Me into a pillar of Salt
You & you’re Pathetic Delusion of a Sky Wizard is Beyond Idiotic
Do you Believe all Fairy Tales
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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When you go out in to the environment and make observations you don't discover creationism. You discover
evolution.
Creationism is not based on fact it's based on religious scripture.
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When you go out in to the environment and make observations you don't discover creationism. You discover
evolution.
Creationism is not based on fact it's based on religious scripture.
Creatures ever reproduce their own species, which means that there are no evolutionary transitions. Evolution is a myth.
https://creation.com/refuting-evolution-2-chapter-4-argument-natural-selection-leads-to-speciation
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Let’s talk about designs. What kind of design results in women having periods every month? This messy event can be explained only by evolution.
Also, who designed all those nasty diseases, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders, and snakes? They obviously evolved like all living things.
Wiggs claims I will burn in some perpetual fire for what I post here. That sorry human being is a certified sadistic pervert to utter such filt. He should be trying to save me instead of condemning me to burn in hell.
https://creation.com/refuting-evolution-2-chapter-7-argument-bad-design-is-evidence-of-leftovers-from-evolution
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Let’s talk about designs. What kind of design results in women having periods every month? This messy event can be explained only by evolution.
Also, who designed all those nasty diseases, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders, and snakes? They obviously evolved like all living things.
Wiggs claims I will burn in some perpetual fire for what I post here. That sorry human being is a certified sadistic pervert to utter such filt. He should be trying to save me instead of condemning me to burn in hell.
Actually Vince, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders and snakes have a purpose on this Earth. Do you know how much shit and decaying matter would stick around without flies?
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Actually Vince, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes, flies, spiders and snakes have a purpose on this Earth. Do you know how much shit and decaying matter would stick around without flies?
Why would god make creatures that shit? So a good design would have humans not having waste products.
Evolution accounts for the way things are. All those nasty things exist because they succeeded in evolving attributes that help them.
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So a good design would have humans not having waste products.
What idiocy you spew, Vince. The body is unable to hold unlimited amounts of waste matter.
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What idiocy you spew, Vince. The body is unable to hold unlimited amounts of waste matter.
Hmmmm Not So - Yours appears to
And then Spews it out your Mouth as Verbal Diarrhea
No doubt your god created you that way.
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Why would god make creatures that shit? So a good design would have humans not having waste products.
Evolution accounts for the way things are. All those nasty things exist because they succeeded in evolving attributes that help them.
If humans didn't have any waste products what would Lee Priest do for sex?
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A scientist knows he could be mistaken but religious people never doubt their beliefs.
There is NO evidence that JC ever walked this earth. Period. No historical evidence. There was no trial by Pontius Pilate and therefore no crucifixion and obviously no resurrection.
Believers would rather die than abandon cherished beliefs.
There is some historical evidence. To say there is NO historical evidence is ignorant. Scholars can debate the weight of the historical evidence but there is some evidence.
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There is some historical evidence. To say there is NO historical evidence is ignorant. Scholars can debate the weight of the historical evidence but there is some evidence.
'Jesus was a great moral teacher.'
--Richard Dawkins
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'Jesus was a great moral teacher.'
--Richard Dawkins
Regardless of whether he existed or not (I lean towards he did) I think he was a great moral teacher. If more of his followers actually followed what he taught and not what their preachers teach, I think the world would be a better place
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There is some historical evidence. To say there is NO historical evidence is ignorant. Scholars can debate the weight of the historical evidence but there is some evidence.
It was disappointing to discover that Jesus didn’t exist. No one saw him or spoke to him. No art or sculptures exist. He isn’t mentioned by historians. Obviously fabricated by zealous fanatics.
Show me some historical evidence. Read Richard Carrier’s book on the historicity of Jesus. There are no sources. Christianity is a fraud! What a disgrace because the churches should know the truth.
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It was disappointing to discover that Jesus didn’t exist. No one saw him or spoke to him. No art or sculptures exist. He isn’t mentioned by historians. Obviously fabricated by zealous fanatics.
Show me some historical evidence. Read Richard Carrier’s book on the historicity of Jesus. There are no sources.
Again, there is much evidence of Christ. Incidentally Richard Carrier thinks that you are a monkey.
https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real
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Here is an excellent work for all. It is mandatory for everyone to read this book.
https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Secret-Jonathan-Gray-ebook/dp/B00563GZIC
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Required reading for atheists: Raphael Lataster’s books on why Jesus didn’t exist. Watch the video of Carrier and Lataster.
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Regardless of whether he existed or not (I lean towards he did) I think he was a great moral teacher. If more of his followers actually followed what he taught and not what their preachers teach, I think the world would be a better place
This is a GREAT post. If everyone were Christians - AND would focus solely on living the tenants of Christianity - and completely eliminate their desire “to be right” - the world would be an incredibly peaceful place.
I don’t believe in the deity of Jesus, but there is no disputing the wisdom of his teachings.
Likewise - if people who don’t believe in Jesus would just stop with the childlike desperate need “to be right” - and also live the way Jesus taught we would have very little drama.
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This is a GREAT post. If everyone were Christians - AND would focus solely on living the tenants of Christianity - and completely eliminate their desire “to be right” - the world would be an incredibly peaceful place.
I don’t believe in the deity of Jesus, but there is no disputing the wisdom of his teachings.
Likewise - if people who don’t believe in Jesus would just stop with the childlike desperate need “to be right” - and also live the way Jesus taught we would have very little drama.
Great idea. Let's start with this idea here on Getbig. No more nasty posts!
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Again, there is much evidence of Christ. Incidentally Richard Carrier thinks that you are a monkey.
https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real
And they are:
1. THE WRITINGS, which could be anything what somebody have wrote as a fairytale, and interpretations of those.
2. THE EYEWITNESSES who happens to be these writers?
3. THE ARTIFACTS , like Shroud of Turin, which is proved to be a fake time after time. Human body, even dead one, is 3D object. How it can print 2D picture in that shroud?? In that image the Jesus which was covered by that shroud, was flat as a sheet of paper. I find that quite funny, but in the other hand, your world is only 6000 years old. Even if there is endless pile of dinosaur bones, fossils etc. which all are at least 100 000 years old.
And this you call the evidence? "There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic"- https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real (https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real)
"So, just how old is Earth? By dating the rocks in Earth's ever-changing crust, as well as the rocks in Earth's neighbors, such as the moon and visiting meteorites, scientists have calculated that Earth is 4.54 billion years old, with an error range of 50 million years." - https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html (https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html)
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The sourcematerial (bible, quran etc) is as credible as if i would write down a book right now called "The Ways of the Dindee".
Same feeling as a caucasian father finding out his 10/10 blonde hair blue eyed daughter got knocked up by a somalian.
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The sourcematerial (bible, quran etc) is as credible as if i would write down a book right now called "The Ways of the Dindee".
Same feeling as a caucasian father finding out his 10/10 blonde hair blue eyed daughter got knocked up by a somalian.
You need to get this book, ignorant one.
https://www.amazon.com/Reasons-Why-You-Trust-Bible/dp/0802413315
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Required reading for atheists: Raphael Lataster’s books on why Jesus didn’t exist. Watch the video of Carrier and Lataster.
It does not matter how much evidence of Christ or creation is given to you. Your mind is already made up.
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And they are:
1. THE WRITINGS, which could be anything what somebody have wrote as a fairytale, and interpretations of those.
2. THE EYEWITNESSES who happens to be these writers?
3. THE ARTIFACTS , like Shroud of Turin, which is proved to be a fake time after time. Human body, even dead one, is 3D object. How it can print 2D picture in that shroud?? In that image the Jesus which was covered by that shroud, was flat as a sheet of paper. I find that quite funny, but in the other hand, your world is only 6000 years old. Even if there is endless pile of dinosaur bones, fossils etc. which all are at least 100 000 years old.
And this you call the evidence? "There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic"- https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real (https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/was-jesus-real)
"So, just how old is Earth? By dating the rocks in Earth's ever-changing crust, as well as the rocks in Earth's neighbors, such as the moon and visiting meteorites, scientists have calculated that Earth is 4.54 billion years old, with an error range of 50 million years." - https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html (https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html)
Get this book, and get educated.
https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Secret-Jonathan-Gray-ebook/dp/B00563GZIC
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Get this book, and get educated.
https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Secret-Jonathan-Gray-ebook/dp/B00563GZIC
This is the difference between religious and ordinary people: Ordinary people doesn't need to taste crap, to find out that it is a crap. All facts of science are published free of charge in the internet. Your "truth" must be bought as a eBook at 10.99$ Why? Why these men of god are so eager to take your money? Because they know that it is a sin to let stupids keep their money ;D
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This is the difference between religious and ordinary people: Ordinary people doesn't need to taste crap, to find out that it is a crap. All facts of science are published free of charge in the internet. Your "truth" must be bought as a eBook at 10.99$ Why? Why these men of god are so eager to take your money? Because they know that it is a sin to let stupids keep their money ;D
College science text books are free to everyone? That's news to me. I guess no one has to pay tuition as well and professors don't get paid. Only those religious con men make money. ???
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Get this book, and get educated.
https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Secret-Jonathan-Gray-ebook/dp/B00563GZIC
Breaking Earth Shattering News !!!!!!!!!
There is NO God :o :o :o
Only Various Books of Fantasy & Fairy Tales.
HTH.
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Breaking Earth Shattering News !!!!!!!!!
There is NO God :o :o :o
Only Various Books of Fantasy & Fairy Tales.
HTH.
The Bible is a veridic historical record. It contains only facts.
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah
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The Bible is a veridic historical record. It contains only facts.
https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah
Complete HogWash ::)
Written by Who Exactly ?
Wise up - As Stated There Is NO God.
Deal with it. Be Brave.
When You Die Your Dead End Of That’s It Nada No More.
Tough to handle for some - Billions have Died Already and Not One
Has Come Back & Said How Good or Bad it is.
FACT.
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Richard Carrier is a scholar of religious history. Listen to what he has to say about the origin of Christianity and present day problems.
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Richard Carrier is a scholar of religious history. Listen to what he has to say about the origin of Christianity and present day problems.
Richard Carrier is an atheist, which makes him a liar and a fraud. Folk should read this factual book instead.
https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Secret-Jonathan-Gray-ebook/dp/B00563GZIC
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Did someone say "atheist"?! Here is one of most brilliant people who ever lived.
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Richard Carrier is a scholar of religious history. Listen to what he has to say about the origin of Christianity and present day problems.
Dr. James White is a professor of church history, hebrew, greek, etc....he has corrected Carrier before.
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College science text books are free to everyone? That's news to me. I guess no one has to pay tuition as well and professors don't get paid. Only those religious con men make money. ???
You truly are an imbecile? Is that what I said? Did I mention the schoolbooks? I said that scientific facts are free for everybody, and if you don't understand that simple sentence, just google something in your level of experties, like "gravity". That is a scientific theory just like evolution is a scientific theory, but not like creationism is a theory, because those I mention first are proved by facts. Creationism doesn't include single thing, which is proved by facts. What ever is written in those schoolbooks, you can find it free of charge from the internet, and more. I don't force your parents buy those books to get your thick head educated, blame the school.. ;D
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You truly are an imbecile? Is that what I said? Did I mention the schoolbooks? I said that scientific facts are free for everybody, and if you don't understand that simple sentence, just google something in your level of experties, like "gravity". That is a scientific theory just like evolution is a scientific theory, but not like creationism is a theory, because those I mention first are proved by facts. Creationism doesn't include single thing, which is proved by facts. What ever is written in those schoolbooks, you can find it free of charge from the internet, and more. I don't force your parents buy those books to get your thick head educated, blame the school.. ;D
The myth of evolution was falsified ages ago and is in no way a theory. Watch this, and educate yourself.
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You truly are an imbecile? Is that what I said? Did I mention the schoolbooks? I said that scientific facts are free for everybody, and if you don't understand that simple sentence, just google something in your level of experties, like "gravity". That is a scientific theory just like evolution is a scientific theory, but not like creationism is a theory, because those I mention first are proved by facts. Creationism doesn't include single thing, which is proved by facts. What ever is written in those schoolbooks, you can find it free of charge from the internet, and more. I don't force your parents buy those books to get your thick head educated, blame the school.. ;D
You made a statement that because you pay for a book written by a religious person you are being scammed and science is free. I simply pointed out that scientists, professors and science text books are expensive. A person can attend any Catholic or Protestant service free of charge, get lots of free literature and even get Christian counseling free of charge.
BTW, nobody knows what gravity is or how it works so that point is kind of stupid. Sure you can read a theory or hypothesis but that doesn't mean what your reading is accurate. Since you are so sure science knows everything please explain abiogenesis.
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The myth of evolution was falsified ages ago and is in no way a theory. Watch this, and educate yourself.
BOLD & FAT can't lecture getbigers ........................ ;D
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BOLD & FAT can't lecture getbigers ........................ ;D
Mass is power.
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BOLD & FAT can't lecture getbigers ........................ ;D
He may be bold and fat, but he is also practically BALD. :)
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He may be bold and fat, but he is also practically BALD. :)
+ teach bullshitology at university of myopics ;D
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Mass is power.
FAT = STUPID
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You made a statement that because you pay for a book written by a religious person you are being scammed and science is free. I simply pointed out that scientists, professors and science text books are expensive. A person can attend any Catholic or Protestant service free of charge, get lots of free literature and even get Christian counseling free of charge.
BTW, nobody knows what gravity is or how it works so that point is kind of stupid. Sure you can read a theory or hypothesis but that doesn't mean what your reading is accurate. Since you are so sure science knows everything please explain abiogenesis.
"Nobody knows what gravity is or how it works"....what? Really? If you don't know, it doesn't mean that nobody knows it, because your level of stupidity is quite rare. Just google "gravity", and read all t he links you find ;D
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"Nobody knows what gravity is or how it works"....what? Really? If you don't know, it doesn't mean that nobody knows it, because your level of stupidity is quite rare. Just google "gravity", and read all t he links you find ;D
Neil Degrasse Tyson admits we don't know what gravity is but I'm sure you do. ::)
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"Nobody knows what gravity is or how it works"....what? Really? If you don't know, it doesn't mean that nobody knows it, because your level of stupidity is quite rare. Just google "gravity", and read all t he links you find ;D
Shut up, you unloved tranny! You’re a victim of your own hubris. You regurgitate snippets of science as if it were written on a stone tablet, and in so doing, display a level of fanaticism and ignorance that escapes even the victims of your vitriol. If you spouted that shit in my class, I’d have you stand before everyone and eat an entire pack of chalk while I pissed in your mouth. I’d then have you recite the Lord’s Prayer until you were nothing more than a sorry pile of foamy white piss!
There is no unified, intelligible account of the world. The world is not mechanical; it operates by what Newton labelled “occult forces”. Human knowledge has limits, so we may never know if the world is designed in such a way as to allow for a unified account of everything. Gravity is also not a unified theory. Can one comprehend a world ran by occult forces? Where the waving of one’s hand generates a force of attraction with the moon? We don’t know because we’ve given up on trying to generate an intelligible account of the universe. Instead we now work towards intelligible theories, which are something quite different. Lon and I are getting quite tired of your stunts. He’s got his eye on you, and now so do I!
Praise Jesus!
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Neil Degrasse Tyson admits we don't know what gravity is but I'm sure you do. ::)
Really? And right after that statement, he adds that best definition we have is what Einstein has wrote 1916 :"Gravity is the curvature of space and time..". So you take first part of the sentence, and skip the rest, and that is the truth for you?
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Shut up, you unloved tranny! You’re a victim of your own hubris. You regurgitate snippets of science as if it were written on a stone tablet, and in so doing, display a level of fanaticism and ignorance that escapes even the victims of your vitriol. If you spouted that shit in my class, I’d have you stand before everyone and eat an entire pack of chalk while I pissed in your mouth. I’d then have you recite the Lord’s Prayer until you were nothing more than a sorry pile of foamy white piss!
There is no unified, intelligible account of the world. The world is not mechanical; it operates by what Newton labelled “occult forces”. Human knowledge has limits, so we may never know if the world is designed in such a way as to allow for a unified account of everything. Gravity is also not a unified theory. Can one comprehend a world ran by occult forces? Where the waving of one’s hand generates a force of attraction with the moon? We don’t know because we’ve given up on trying to generate an intelligible account of the universe. Instead we now work towards intelligible theories, which are something quite different. Lon and I are getting quite tired of your stunts. He’s got his eye on you, and now so do I!
Praise Jesus!
One question, you silly twat: How do you dare to put you, Lon and the word "intelligible" in same sentence? Two village-idiots, praising the non existing god, spreading futile bullshit for these brainless brat's who happens to be 90% readers of this forum with no shame at all? Here is little stunt for you to do: Just slit your wrists, you wanker ;D
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Neil Degrasse Tyson admits we don't know what gravity is but I'm sure you do. ::)
Gravity is a theory. It doesnt exist.
What does is density and buoyancy.
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Gravity is a theory. It doesnt exist.
What does is density and buoyancy.
Hmmm Maybe / Maybe not
Though my advice is If A Big Heavy object is Falling Towards you
Get Out The Fucking Way Quick as it’s Not Going to Stop & Then Go Upwards.
So Some type of Force Is Making it Fall,
As For a Name We Could call That Force Gravity - Or Falling
Either way It’s Still Going to Drop on You.
HTH.
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Gravity is a theory. It doesnt exist.
What does is density and buoyancy.
Agreed but that would totally blow his mind. Milk before meat.
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Agreed but that would totally blow his mind. Milk before meat.
;)
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Gravity is a theory. It doesnt exist.
What does is density and buoyancy.
So, if gravity doesn't exist, why don't you search a tall building and start to levitate down from it's roof? You can take a video about it and upload it to youtube to prove you did it..
In science everything is a theory, until every bit and detail in it has proved to be a fact. In religion they can feed you with what ever bullshit they like, and you just believe it, because they say it is a word from god. And your world is still only 6000 year old, never mind about dinosaur bones, fossiles etc. relics which are at least 1000 000 years old..How about this: 10 000 year ago in china there were Chinese people making pottery, which has remain up to modern days. Chinese start communicating by writing 7000 years ago, 1000 years before this planet was made by god? There is billions of this kind of evidence about earth's real age, and you can overrule all of them just by saying: I don't believe it? So everyone and every bit of information which aren't just like it is written in the bible is false? Of course it is, if you say so..Fuck proving, fuck the evidence, fuck 100 years of exploration and studys, it is all crap because you say so..except you are wrong, and the rest of the world is right ;D
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So, if gravity doesn't exist, why don't you search a tall building and start to levitate down from it's roof? You can take a video about it and upload it to youtube to prove you did it..
In science everything is a theory, until every bit and detail in it has proved to be a fact. In religion they can feed you with what ever bullshit they like, and you just believe it, because they say it is a word from god. And your world is still only 6000 year old, never mind about dinosaur bones, fossiles etc. relics which are at least 1000 000 years old..How about this: 10 000 year ago in china there were Chinese people making pottery, which has remain up to modern days. Chinese start communicating by writing 7000 years ago, 1000 years before this planet was made by god? There is billions of this kind of evidence about earth's real age, and you can overrule all of them just by saying: I don't believe it? So everyone and every bit of information which aren't just like it is written in the bible is false? Of course it is, if you say so..Fuck proving, fuck the evidence, fuck 100 years of exploration and studys, it is all crap because you say so..except you are wrong, and the rest of the world is right ;D
Dope-O demonstrating that he still doesn't understand what a scientific theory is.
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And I'm sorry to have to say this, Dope-O, but I've reported you to Ron for conduct unbecoming of a Getbigger. I attempted to have a civil conversation with you regarding your ontological and epistemological shortcomings, and you responded by calling me a "wanker" and telling me to kill myself. It's no wonder Jesus abandoned you when you speak such filth. Ron now has his eye on you too!
Tex.
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One question, you silly twat: How do you dare to put you, Lon and the word "intelligible" in same sentence? Two village-idiots, praising the non existing god, spreading futile bullshit for these brainless brat's who happens to be 90% readers of this forum with no shame at all? Here is little stunt for you to do: Just slit your wrists, you wanker ;D
God is real obviously. Mindless atheists like you are simply unaware of the evidence.
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Dope-O demonstrating that he still doesn't understand what a scientific theory is.
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And I'm sorry to have to say this, Dope-O, but I've reported you to Ron for conduct unbecoming of a Getbigger. I attempted to have a civil conversation with you regarding your ontological and epistemological shortcomings, and you responded by calling me a "wanker" and telling me to kill myself. It's no wonder Jesus abandoned you when you speak such filth. Ron now has his eye on you too!
Tex.
"The United States National Academy of Sciences defines scientific theories as follows:
The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed"..
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So, if gravity doesn't exist, why don't you search a tall building and start to levitate down from it's roof? You can take a video about it and upload it to youtube to prove you did it..
In science everything is a theory, until every bit and detail in it has proved to be a fact. In religion they can feed you with what ever bullshit they like, and you just believe it, because they say it is a word from god. And your world is still only 6000 year old, never mind about dinosaur bones, fossiles etc. relics which are at least 1000 000 years old..How about this: 10 000 year ago in china there were Chinese people making pottery, which has remain up to modern days. Chinese start communicating by writing 7000 years ago, 1000 years before this planet was made by god? There is billions of this kind of evidence about earth's real age, and you can overrule all of them just by saying: I don't believe it? So everyone and every bit of information which aren't just like it is written in the bible is false? Of course it is, if you say so..Fuck proving, fuck the evidence, fuck 100 years of exploration and studys, it is all crap because you say so..except you are wrong, and the rest of the world is right ;D
Evidently you don't understand density and buoyancy.
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"The United States National Academy of Sciences defines scientific theories as follows:
The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed"..
Listen, boy, I've a bladder full of steaming piss and a packet of chalk with your name on it if you don't start applying some rigor to your words. The quote you provided is correct, and quite different from the nonsense you wrote yourself. You stated that "in science everything is a theory, until every bit and detail in it has proved to be a fact". That's not true. We don't profess absolute certainty about causal claims, and the entire point of scientific theories is that they are falsifiable.
We have been wrong about almost everything we've ever thought. We ask the wrong questions as well as give the wrong answers. We use the scientific method as it's simply the best and most reliable way for us to investigate the world, but we don't worship it. To have you, a vitamin D-deprived Nordic nerd with no scientific training, criticize two eminent scientists (Lon and me) for highlighting your combination of ignorance and arrogance, well, that's not going to fly around here! You're lucky I've just finished my heavy bench session (650 lbs for a double) or I'd smash this fucking computer to bits and send you the bill for it!
Tex.
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Evolution is fact unless you accept the idea of people and animals suddenly appearing out of nowhere.
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Evolution is fact unless you accept the idea of people and animals suddenly appearing out of nowhere.
Evolution is nowhere and nothing. Randomness never begets design.
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Listen, boy, I've a bladder full of steaming piss and a packet of chalk with your name on it if you don't start applying some rigor to your words. The quote you provided is correct, and quite different from the nonsense you wrote yourself. You stated that "in science everything is a theory, until every bit and detail in it has proved to be a fact". That's not true. We don't profess absolute certainty about causal claims, and the entire point of scientific theories is that they are falsifiable.
We have been wrong about almost everything we've ever thought. We ask the wrong questions as well as give the wrong answers. We use the scientific method as it's simply the best and most reliable way for us to investigate the world, but we don't worship it. To have you, a vitamin D-deprived Nordic nerd with no scientific training, criticize two eminent scientists (Lon and me) for highlighting your combination of ignorance and arrogance, well, that's not going to fly around here! You're lucky I've just finished my heavy bench session (650 lbs for a double) or I'd smash this fucking computer to bits and send you the bill for it!
Tex.
What you are commenting of, is definition of scientific theory by The United States National Academy of Sciences. If you think you know it better, tell it to them. I have no interest at all about your mental illness, so drink your steaming piss and fuck off.. ;D
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Evolution is nowhere and nothing. Randomness never begets design.
If animals and humans were appearing out of thin air, then they would have to be in adult form as babies would need milk and nurturing etc.
This would imply that every being created appeared at the same time or in staggered phases, meaning living things would keep materializing out of nowhere in full form.
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What you are commenting of, is definition of scientific theory by The United States National Academy of Sciences. If you think you know it better, tell it to them. I have no interest at all about your mental illness, so drink your steaming piss and fuck off.. ;D
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Looks like the anti-religion radical who regurgitates Reddit with religious fervor can't even read! LOLLOLLOL. And to think that about 90 percent of your posts feature you branding other people morons! What I commented on was the fact that you cannot even comprehend the fundamentals of science, and that you worship it without understanding it. I demonstrated this by highlighting the difference between your own definition of scientific theory and the one provided by The United States National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Once you've taken your pills for Seasonal Affective Disorder and stopped crying, have a read over my previous post again. I quite clearly stated that the NAS definition was correct. Now get the hell out of this thread, you Nordic neckbeard. Don't you dare come back until you're willing to receive your ration of steamy, chalky piss!
Tex.
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criticize two eminent scientists (Lon and me)
Tex.
ANABOLICHALO (aka Tex) + Lon = ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What you are commenting of, is definition of scientific theory by The United States National Academy of Sciences. If you think you know it better, tell it to them. I have no interest at all about your mental illness, so drink your steaming piss and fuck off.. ;D
Ropo, Tex is Leopold (ex Anabolichalo) lives in a Flemish speaking part of Belgium ;)
Tex is his 77th gimmick on this site.
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Ropo, Tex is Leopold (ex Anabolichalo) lives in a Flemish speaking part of Belgium ;)
Tex is his 77 gimmick on this site.
Brilliant detective work, you buck-toothed crossdresser. It's no wonder that someone 'hired you' to stalk Vince with those analytical skills you have. And the perverted winky smiley only adds to the confidence of your statement. I'm only having fun with Dope-O, but with you, I swear to God I'd genuinely love to drag your malnourished body over to a bath of icy-cold water and fucking drown you in it. The last thing you'd see is Big Tex's 20" arms around your neck, holding you under water while you thrash around desperately trying to send shocked-face emojis to the emergency services.
Tex.
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Brilliant detective work, you buck-toothed crossdresser. It's no wonder that someone 'hired you' to stalk Vince with those analytical skills you have. And the perverted winky smiley only adds to the confidence of your statement. I'm only having fun with Dope-O, but with you, I swear to God I'd genuinely love to drag your malnourished body over to a bath of icy-cold water and fucking drown you in it. The last thing you'd see is Big Tex's 20" arms around your neck, holding you under water while you thrash around desperately trying to send shocked-face emojis to the emergency services.
Tex.
Ah, Leopold U A gettin' 2 old ::) all this scrabbling & ZERO action 8)
How is Jr., going to preschool or what !.
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Brilliant detective work, you buck-toothed crossdresser. It's no wonder that someone 'hired you' to stalk Vince with those analytical skills you have. And the perverted winky smiley only adds to the confidence of your statement. I'm only having fun with Dope-O, but with you, I swear to God I'd genuinely love to drag your malnourished body over to a bath of icy-cold water and fucking drown you in it. The last thing you'd see is Big Tex's 20" arms around your neck, holding you under water while you thrash around desperately trying to send shocked-face emojis to the emergency services.
Tex.
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If animals and humans were appearing out of thin air, then they would have to be in adult form as babies would need milk and nurturing etc.
This would imply that every being created appeared at the same time or in staggered phases, meaning living things would keep materializing out of nowhere in full form.
Read Genesis to find out how God created all things.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Genesis
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Brilliant detective work, you buck-toothed crossdresser. It's no wonder that someone 'hired you' to stalk Vince with those analytical skills you have. And the perverted winky smiley only adds to the confidence of your statement. I'm only having fun with Dope-O, but with you, I swear to God I'd genuinely love to drag your malnourished body over to a bath of icy-cold water and fucking drown you in it. The last thing you'd see is Big Tex's 20" arms around your neck, holding you under water while you thrash around desperately trying to send shocked-face emojis to the emergency services.
Tex.
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God is real obviously. Mindless atheists like you are simply unaware of the evidence.
Oh,NO not another BALD & CHUBBY MYOPIC in oversize shirt ............. ;D ;D ;D
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Read Genesis to find out how God created all things.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Genesis
The Bible, in the New Testament, also says women should cover their heads in church.
Why do they not today?
Why are only some rules followed and others not..?
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Oh,NO not another BALD & CHUBBY MYOPIC in oversize shirt ............. ;D ;D ;D
You would do well to listen to what he says.
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The Bible, in the New Testament, also says women should cover their heads in church.
Why do they not today?
Why are only some rules followed and others not..?
https://www.gotquestions.org/head-coverings.html
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LOL @ Analogic Payload
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You would do well to listen to what he says.
I don't respect 'safety fats' ;D
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Weirdy Beardy Man in the Sky Created Man in his Image ??
Only which image is the one of him
The Aborigines
The Blacks in Africa
The Chinese
The Eskimo’s
The Red Indians
The Pygmy’s
The Maori’s
The White Europeans & Americans
Why all the Marked Differences in theses races ?
Could it Be adaptation to their Environments
A form of Evolution 😱😱
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Weirdy Beardy Man in the Sky Created Man in his Image ??
Only which image is the one of him
The Aborigines
The Blacks in Africa
The Chinese
The Eskimo’s
The Red Indians
The Pygmy’s
The Maori’s
The White Europeans & Americans
Why all the Marked Differences in theses races ?
Could it Be adaptation to their Environments
A form of Evolution 😱😱
You are correct. They all went different ways, some went to harsher climate, others to hotter climate.
That's why some are darker etc and some are more resistant to cold.
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I don't respect 'safety fats' ;D
Do you respect facts?
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Weirdy Beardy Man in the Sky Created Man in his Image ??
Only which image is the one of him
The Aborigines
The Blacks in Africa
The Chinese
The Eskimo’s
The Red Indians
The Pygmy’s
The Maori’s
The White Europeans & Americans
Why all the Marked Differences in theses races ?
Could it Be adaptation to their Environments
A form of Evolution 😱😱
All men were created in God's image. Adaptation is a fact of creation, not evolution.
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All men were created in God's image. Adaptation is a fact of creation, not evolution.
Idiot - Which Race is in his image ?
Adaptation you twat is part of Evolution- Evolving / adaptation
You’re stumped - you’ve No Valid Answer
“Adaptation part of creation” FFS !! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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Idiot - Which Race is in his image ?
Adaptation you twat is part of Evolution- Evolving / adaptation
You’re stumped - you’ve No Valid Answer
“Adaptation part of creation” FFS !! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
The answer is simple. Adaptation involves a loss of genetic information whereas evolution involves a gain of genetic information. One cannot turn a pauper into a billionaire by taking away all of his money.
https://creation.com/adaptation
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All men were created in God's image. Adaptation is a fact of creation, not evolution.
Lon trying hard to get some acceptance but he keeps posting absolute rubbish. Believers are truly delusional.
Evolution = no god.
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Lon trying hard to get some acceptance but he keeps posting absolute rubbish. Believers are truly delusional.
Evolution = no god.
Evolution was debunked ages ago. You might want to read this.
https://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin
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https://www.gotquestions.org/head-coverings.html
What a load of convoluted nonsense trying to explain that a head covering is 'hair'.
The fact is the Bible says women should cover their heads and hair in church.
Yet it would be too impolitically correct to accept this today, so some try come up with a convoluted 'explanation' to try and nullify it.
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Do you respect facts?
FaCTS: he is porky,bald & myopic ::)
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Why are people still arguing with the troll? 20 pages deep. retarded.
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FaCTS: he is porky,bald & myopic ::)
He is slim and strong, a warrior for God. The myopic one is you.