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Not the first time I guess. Looking forward to the full episode. :D
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Not the first time I guess. Looking forward to the full episode. :D
Yup. Kamali same thing -
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Yup. Kamali same thing -
Kamali calling out Chad? Can I have a YouTube link??
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Shawn not holding back there.
As he said he got 2nd to Dorian on his own why would he Need Chads Help.
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Not the first time I guess. Looking forward to the full episode. :D
I posted this already you FUCKEN retard.
J
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Kamali calling out Chad? Can I have a YouTube link??
No meant Kamali got ruined following that guys crazy bs
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Ray trying desperately to stay relevant stating things that have been known for years.
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No meant Kamali got ruined following that guys crazy bs
Didn’t he tell kamali he had to be over 300 lbs before he would work with him and then kamali bloated up to 300.
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Didn’t he tell kamali he had to be over 300 lbs before he would work with him and then kamali bloated up to 300.
I’m not defending Chad in any way, but what you described doesn’t make him look bad. It makes Kamali look and sound like an idiot. He was a grown adult being impressionable like a child.
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I posted this already you FUCKEN retard.
J
Yet no replies / traction.. :-\
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Excellent video!
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If he just went to the funerals we could overlook the whole "assisted suicide" thing.
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So what is the deal with Chad Nicholls and bodybuilder deaths compared to other “gurus”? Extreme dosages? Dangerous compounds? Combining too many drugs? All of the above? He was a big name back in the late 90s early 00s.
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So what is the deal with Chad Nicholls and bodybuilder deaths compared to other “gurus”? Extreme dosages? Dangerous compounds? Combining too many drugs? All of the above? He was a big name back in the late 90s early 00s.
Gonna go out on a limb and say all of the above.
Given all the nonsense behind peaking for a show, it's probably safe to say this is both the most dangerous aspect of bodybuilding as well as the potentially most "magical" part where an otherwise solid pro would be willing to trust an "expert." Just guessing, he probably experiments a lot more with harsh diuretics and getting competitors as dry as possible. Notice Shawn Ray harps on the failed kidney after failed kidney.
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So what is the deal with Chad Nicholls and bodybuilder deaths compared to other “gurus”? Extreme dosages? Dangerous compounds? Combining too many drugs? All of the above? He was a big name back in the late 90s early 00s.
Back in 1996, diuretic testing was instituted at the Olympia that year (Nasser failed, losing his 3rd place) and continued into the 2000s. If you recall, Cutler failed the 2001 Olympia diuretic test but after threatening with a lawsuit, retained his placing and prize money. Anyway, in order to get around the diuretic testing, word was that Chad had discovered a mercury-based diuretic that was not being tested for. If you do a basic search on mercurial diuretics and their toxicity, you can see why I believe that this was one of the main reasons so many of his clients in particular had issues.
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Back in 1996, diuretic testing was instituted at the Olympia that year (Nasser failed, losing his 3rd place) and continued into the 2000s. If you recall, Cutler failed the 2001 Olympia diuretic test but after threatening with a lawsuit, retained his placing and prize money. Anyway, in order to get around the diuretic testing, word was that Chad had discovered a mercury-based diuretic that was not being tested for. If you do a basic search on mercurial diuretics and their toxicity, you can see why I believe that this was one of the main reasons so many of his clients in particular had issues.
I think milos also prescribed mercury based diuretics to his clients?or he used it himself in the past?correct me if I'm wrong
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Yet no replies / traction.. :-\
Loser.
J
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Agree with all he said except Don Youngblood. That guy looked like death in the offseason being so red. I don't think his death was heavily Duiretic related.
Also funny how Shawn says he showed up heavier in 1998 when the show is wide open, yet Dorian showed up lighter in 1992 for the same reason, well that Dorian knew he was bigger than all of them yet needed to be shredded to compete with Shawn and co.
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Kamali's physique didn't get "ruined" by chad.
Kamali was a sub par genetics bodybuilder who managed to jag his way up to the pro ranks. He wanted to piss with the luckier big boys and it didn't work out for him because he wasn't built for that and very few are. Unless Chad forced him to try to get larger, I don't see how he got ruined by him
He clearly had issues with his arms in particular and that definitely caught up with him. Look at him now - he basically has non existent arms.
Not taking anything away from his achievement of getting into the pros, just - I don't think he was blessed, genetically. I don't think anybody could have kept him in that game.
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Back in 1996, diuretic testing was instituted at the Olympia that year (Nasser failed, losing his 3rd place) and continued into the 2000s. If you recall, Cutler failed the 2001 Olympia diuretic test but after threatening with a lawsuit, retained his placing and prize money. Anyway, in order to get around the diuretic testing, word was that Chad had discovered a mercury-based diuretic that was not being tested for. If you do a basic search on mercurial diuretics and their toxicity, you can see why I believe that this was one of the main reasons so many of his clients in particular had issues.
Fools. 🙄
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Kamali's physique didn't get "ruined" by chad.
Kamali was a sub par genetics bodybuilder who managed to jag his way up to the pro ranks. He wanted to piss with the luckier big boys and it didn't work out for him because he wasn't built for that and very few are. Unless Chad forced him to try to get larger, I don't see how he got ruined by him
He clearly had issues with his arms in particular and that definitely caught up with him. Look at him now - he basically has non existent arms.
Not taking anything away from his achievement of getting into the pros, just - I don't think he was blessed, genetically. I don't think anybody could have kept him in that game.
100% agree.
In 2001 Kamali showed up at the Olympia at 245. Looked as good as he could. Shouldn't have beat Vince Taylor but anyway.
2002 he showed up at 238 in worse condition. Ron Harris said he saw him 4 weeks out and said he can't make it to the show in good condition so fuck knows how hard he depleted himself to get down to 238. Getting fat in the offseason is not how to gain more muscle. He fucked himself and never did as well again.
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Word on the street was that Shawn Ray was a big time drug dealer. That’s how he made a lot of his money.
The bodybuilding magazines insisted that he he was a businessman 🙄
Now he is sitting at the table like he is some innocent man pleading for justice.
Note: I remember Milos directly asking Shawn, ON THIS BOARD, why exactly he had breakfast with DEA officers.... and what was being discussed.
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Word on the street was that Shawn Ray was a big time drug dealer. That’s how he made a lot of his money.
The bodybuilding magazines insisted that he he was a businessman 🙄
Now he is sitting at the table like he is some innocent man pleading for justice.
Note: I remember Milos directly asking Shawn, ON THIS BOARD, why exactly he had breakfast with DEA officers.... and what was being discussed.
whether poached eggs were better than scrambled?
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Kamali's physique didn't get "ruined" by chad.
Kamali was a sub par genetics bodybuilder who managed to jag his way up to the pro ranks. He wanted to piss with the luckier big boys and it didn't work out for him because he wasn't built for that and very few are. Unless Chad forced him to try to get larger, I don't see how he got ruined by him
He clearly had issues with his arms in particular and that definitely caught up with him. Look at him now - he basically has non existent arms.
Not taking anything away from his achievement of getting into the pros, just - I don't think he was blessed, genetically. I don't think anybody could have kept him in that game.
I would tend to agree with this. King did say in a previous interview though that Chad told him he wouldn't work with him until he got to 300 lbs. Chad seemed to push the "get as heavy as possible" in the offseason mentality.
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I would tend to agree with this. King did say in a previous interview though that Chad told him he wouldn't work with him until he got to 300 lbs. Chad seemed to push the "get as heavy as possible" in the offseason mentality.
I can see how he might think Chad ruined him if that is the case.
But it isn't really what ruined him.
He just wasn't genetically able to step up to the level that he almost certainly wanted to get to.
If he doesn't work with Chad, I don't see him accepting where he was. He would have pushed it, regardless and he was one of the fastest cases of palumboism I've seen. He didn't have it incredibly bad - he didn't keep at it for very long but he lost his arms pretty quickly.
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I would tend to agree with this. King did say in a previous interview though that Chad told him he wouldn't work with him until he got to 300 lbs. Chad seemed to push the "get as heavy as possible" in the offseason mentality.
Jeez if that's true that's bad.^...
After seeing Chad roll in on Dallas talk about "pushing it hard " make an even bigger mess of him then then quickly walk away no fucks given, says to me there is truth to shawns words, but at the same time shawn holds a grudge cause ronnie beat shawns ass and all that too, he's a little bitch that holds major grudges. It gets old.
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Dallas was back with Jansen when he died and was training at Flex's gym with Flex. I don't remember the name of his first coach but he was also one who pushed using large amounts of gear according to Trigili.
Not sure how you can blame someone else for what you pin/take/eat. In the end it's your choice.
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Dallas was back with Jansen when he died and was training at Flex's gym with Flex. I don't remember the name of his first coach but he was also one who pushed using large amounts of gear according to Trigili.
Not sure how you can blame someone else for what you pin/take/eat. In the end it's your choice.
his first coach was john o regan,dude were infamous for pushing insane dosages with insane amount of food...even bostin loyd backed away after a while under him...
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Not sure how you can blame someone else for what you pin/take/eat. In the end it's your choice.
You could blame a doctor.
You could blame many types of actual professionals, really.
But in this situation, you know you are basically paying someone to use their experience in experimentation to further experiment on you.
If I go get my car tuned - I have the ability to say I want a safe tune or I want something that really pushes the boundaries. That's really the type of scenario we have here. A bunch of people paying to be tuned - and naturally, when we're talking about the top competitors, we're talking about people who can either perform better with lesser amounts OR are really pushing the boundaries.
Then you have the guys that are slightly genetically flawed who are trying to get themselves to the top. Hence, unsafe tunes.
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You could blame a doctor.
You could blame many types of professionals, really.
But in this situation, you know you are basically paying someone to use their experience in experimentation to further experiment on you.
If I go get my car tuned - I have the ability to say I want a safe tune or I want something that really pushes the boundaries. That's really the type of scenario we have here. A bunch of people paying to be tuned - and naturally, when we're talking about the top competitors, we're talking about people who can either perform better with lesser amounts OR are really pushing the boundaries.
Then you have the guys that are slightly genetically flawed who are trying to get themselves to the top. Hence, unsafe tunes.
Personal responsibility INMHO when it comes to all that you mentioned (teens/children excluded). Also I would not call any bodybuilding "guru's" "professionals".
I do like the car analogy however. :D
his first coach was john o regan,dude were infamous for pushing insane dosages with insane amount of food...even bostin loyd backed away after a while under him...
That's him!
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I was in a contest in Rochester NY and while talking to Sebastion "Sam" Zona who was a client of Chads he told me that Chad had him on a huge regimen and told him to literally drink bottles of Hersheys syrup between meals in an effort to get to 300 pounds off season weight.
Sam did get to 300 and told me he felt like he was dying and soon dropped Chad,reduced his gear intake, and went on a more sane eating regimen.
The guy looked great but was short....no need to weigh anywhere near 300 pounds.
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Also I would not call any bodybuilding "guru's" "professionals".
Neither would I, if that wasn't clear.
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I was in a contest in Rochester NY and while talking to Seastion "Sam" Zona who was a client odf c=Chd]sds he told me that chad had him on a g=huge regimen and told him to literally drink bottles of Hersheys syrup between meals in an effort to get to 300 pounds off season weight.
Sam did get to 300 and told me he felt like he was dying and soon dropped Chad,reduced his gear intake, and went on a more sane eating regimen.
the guy looked great but was short....no need to weigh anywhere near 300 pounds.
Damn.
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Shawn has hardly lived a innocent life to be saying things this, true or not. But, these are grown ass men and no one put a gun to their head to do this. They made the choice to do this. Chad and all these “coaches” are not doctors. In fact most of them have hardly any education at all. It’s beyond me how these guys need someone to tell them what to eat & train and how to diet They get what they deserve for not educating themselves in the first place.
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his first coach was john o regan,dude were infamous for pushing insane dosages with insane amount of food...even bostin loyd backed away after a while under him...
I might be wrong, but didn't John coach Levrone during his early years? This wouldn't gell with Levrone's claims of "400 mg of test per week" ???
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I was in a contest in Rochester NY and while talking to Sebastion "Sam" Zona who was a client of Chads he told me that Chad had him on a huge regimen and told him to literally drink bottles of Hersheys syrup between meals in an effort to get to 300 pounds off season weight.
Sam did get to 300 and told me he felt like he was dying and soon dropped Chad,reduced his gear intake, and went on a more sane eating regimen.
The guy looked great but was short....no need to weigh anywhere near 300 pounds.
literally drink bottles of Hersheys syrup between meals in an effort to get to 300 pounds off season weight.
damn - x2
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Chad sounds like he has on obsession, with getting them to 300 pounds. His wife literally took women’s bodybuilding backwards. This mass obsession is killing the sport. Men’s classic devision is more popular than the open.
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Shawn has hardly lived a innocent life to be saying things this, true or not. But, these are grown ass men and no one put a gun to their head to do this. They made the choice to do this. Chad and all these “coaches” are not doctors. In fact most of them have hardly any education at all. It’s beyond me how these guys need someone to tell them what to eat & train and how to diet They get what they deserve for not educating themselves in the first place.
Back to personal choice and taking responsibility for ones choices.
Are you still enjoying living in Vegas?
Ok back to my bottle of Hershey's with a couple boxes of fruit loops. :)
Chad sounds like he has on obsession, with getting them to 300 pounds. His wife literally took women’s bodybuilding backwards. This mass obsession is killing the sport. Men’s classic devision is more popular than the open.
Hey booty hope you are well! :-*
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I might be wrong, but didn't John coach Levrone during his early years? This wouldn't gell with Levrone's claims of "400 mg of test per week" ???
kevin will say anything to justify his 'super genetics' claims
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Back to personal choice and taking responsibility for ones choices.
Are you still enjoying living in Vegas?
Ok back to my bottle of Hershey's with a couple boxes of fruit loops. :)
Hey booty hope you are well! :-*
Thanks Walterwhite. 😊
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Jeez if that's true that's bad.^...
After seeing Chad roll in on Dallas talk about "pushing it hard " make an even bigger mess of him then then quickly walk away no fucks given, says to me there is truth to shawns words, but at the same time shawn holds a grudge cause ronnie beat shawns ass and all that too, he's a little bitch that holds major grudges. It gets old.
Starting at 7:45. Here's the interview I was talking about. That being said, we all make personal choices and our health should be our priority. I'm only 36 but I do remember what its like to be in my early 20's. My health definitely wasn't my 1st priority.
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I was in a contest in Rochester NY and while talking to Sebastion "Sam" Zona who was a client of Chads he told me that Chad had him on a huge regimen and told him to literally drink bottles of Hersheys syrup between meals in an effort to get to 300 pounds off season weight.
Sam did get to 300 and told me he felt like he was dying and soon dropped Chad,reduced his gear intake, and went on a more sane eating regimen.
The guy looked great but was short....no need to weigh anywhere near 300 pounds.
That’s a name you don’t hear much anymore, wasn’t he a school teacher? 300 pounds, he was like 5’7??
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Chad sounds like he has on obsession, with getting them to 300 pounds. His wife literally took women’s bodybuilding backwards. This mass obsession is killing the sport. Men’s classic devision is more popular than the open.
I'm shocked Kim Chizevsky is even heterosexual. I always get the Nicholls/Chizevsky and the Aceto/Creavalle couple mixed up.
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Shawn destroys Bet-David here
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The answer is soon to come :)
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The answer is soon to come :)
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Holy shit. Genuinely looking forward to this.
Phil Heath, Steve Kuclo, Aaron Singerman, Flex Wheeler, Dexter, Sergio Jr and Josh Lenartowicz all commented on this. Hm, I wonder if it's because they love Chad, hate Shawn - or both... ;)
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The answer is soon to come :)
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This guy has been doing a lot of interesting bodybuilding interviews lately.
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Shawn destroys Bet-David here
Stopped watching when I heard stupid rap music in the beginning and it’s 2 hours long
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Stopped watching when I heard stupid rap music in the beginning and it’s 2 hours long
Honestly it's a good one, worth listening
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Just got done watching the entire 2hr interview. It was excellent
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Good interview. Patrick betdavid was a big fan of nasser and the 90s scene. Hoping to get levrone or priest on in near future.
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Honestly it's a good one, worth listening
Got around to actually watching it, fast forward some parts, but got to some of the important bits
Shawn is right, like always
When Shawn talks about Lee priest, and dating one of his girls, is he referencing booty? ;D
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Good interview. Patrick betdavid was a big fan of nasser and the 90s scene. Hoping to get levrone or priest on in near future.
Lee Priest told us that in one of the Iron Rage episodes with Colombo, that he's going over there to be interviewed by him!
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Thanks Walterwhite. 😊
booty hope all is well hun !!
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booty hope all is well hun !!
I got attacked by a nest of paper wasps while gardening. They got my right ear, neck, shoulder and hands. It was extremely painful and right now I hate Australia and want to live in a concrete jungle.
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Ray trying desperately to stay relevant stating things that have been known for years.
Lol wtf
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Anyone else watch interviews etc on youtube at 2x speed? Sometimes people talk to fast or have a thick accent so I use to 1.5 to 1.75 for those.
This video is cut down to 1 hour at 2x speed.
For sure. Not usually 2x - but I definitely up the speed.
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I have now watched the clip where Shawn is blaming Chad for everything.
Shawn is a 50% weasel. Some of what he speaks is truth and is point worthy - but some of it is silly conjecture that has no place.
Going to the funerals of his former clients.. ::) Such a dramatic, tabloid opinion to get the morons to be moved. I can't name a single person I've paid for services from that I'd want at my funeral - not one.
Blaming Chad for Nasser - when they guy just kept on juicing through retirement until he cooked himself..
Clearly Chad was pushing his clients. Clearly some of it has endangered them and exacerbated their limits - but Shawn making out like this guy is the guy who killed these people.. please. They are all grown men, trying to win the coveted best in thong pageant. If my engine blows up because I go to the guy who tunes engines to go as fast as they can, it's my fucking fault.
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For sure. Not usually 2x - but I definitely up the speed.
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I have now watched the clip where Shawn is blaming Chad for everything.
Shawn is a 50% weasel. Some of what he speaks is truth and is point worthy - but some of it is silly conjecture that has no place.
Going to the funerals of his former clients.. ::) Such a dramatic, tabloid opinion to get the morons to be moved. I can't name a single person I've paid for services from that I'd want at my funeral - not one.
Blaming Chad for Nasser - when they guy just kept on juicing through retirement until he cooked himself..
Clearly Chad was pushing his clients. Clearly some of it has endangered them and exacerbated their limits - but Shawn making out like this guy is the guy who killed these people.. please. They are all grown men, trying to win the coveted best in thong pageant. If my engine blows up because I go to the guy who tunes engines to go as fast as they can, it's my fucking fault.
You make some very good points.
If they chose to listen & do as he May of Recommend & That damaged / Killed them
It’s their decision to do it - His Recommendations May be excessive or dangerous Nobody but
Themselves are forcing them do / take what he says.
Their Desire To Win / Possibly lazyness & thinking they are indistructable is what Kills / Damages Them.
Cleary Shawn has a personal dislike for chad if they’ve crossed swords
And that’s fair enough.
Only laying the blame at Chad isn’t really correct. As you say they are Adults who made choices.
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For sure. Not usually 2x - but I definitely up the speed.
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I have now watched the clip where Shawn is blaming Chad for everything.
Shawn is a 50% weasel. Some of what he speaks is truth and is point worthy - but some of it is silly conjecture that has no place.
Going to the funerals of his former clients.. ::) Such a dramatic, tabloid opinion to get the morons to be moved. I can't name a single person I've paid for services from that I'd want at my funeral - not one.
Blaming Chad for Nasser - when they guy just kept on juicing through retirement until he cooked himself..
Clearly Chad was pushing his clients. Clearly some of it has endangered them and exacerbated their limits - but Shawn making out like this guy is the guy who killed these people.. please. They are all grown men, trying to win the coveted best in thong pageant. If my engine blows up because I go to the guy who tunes engines to go as fast as they can, it's my fucking fault.
Great summary of the situation^
Shawn is shawn, the Chad Witchhunt goes on...
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Clearly Chad was pushing his clients. Clearly some of it has endangered them and exacerbated their limits - but Shawn making out like this guy is the guy who killed these people.. please. They are all grown men, trying to win the coveted best in thong pageant. If my engine blows up because I go to the guy who tunes engines to go as fast as they can, it's my fucking fault.
I agree with your sentiment, but I think Shawn's gripe is that he (rightly or wrongly) imposed a moral responsibility on Chad to inform his athletes of exactly what they were taking and what the possible effects are. Ronnie conceded that he didn't even know what he took the night that he was on the brink of death sitting in the bathtub.
Patrick is a great interviewer, I trust that he will press Chad on doses and peculiarities such as mercury-based diuretics (which interestingly, Shawn did not bring up).
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I got attacked by a nest of paper wasps while gardening. They got my right ear, neck, shoulder and hands. It was extremely painful and right now I hate Australia and want to live in a concrete jungle.
WOW that sux.......sorry to hear that !!
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I got attacked by a nest of paper wasps while gardening. They got my right ear, neck, shoulder and hands. It was extremely painful and right now I hate Australia and want to live in a concrete jungle.
Can Chad be blamed for this too? Answer: yes
Don’t blame Australia. Blame Chad.
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Chad is a kidney fryer and a cock roach
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I agree with your sentiment, but I think Shawn's gripe is that he (rightly or wrongly) imposed a moral responsibility on Chad to inform his athletes of exactly what they were taking and what the possible effects are. Ronnie conceded that he didn't even know what he took the night that he was on the brink of death sitting in the bathtub.
Patrick is a great interviewer, I trust that he will press Chad on doses and peculiarities such as mercury-based diuretics (which interestingly, Shawn did not bring up).
Yeah, it's a valid opinion
I wouldn't want anybody I know using this guy.
I respect his message - don't use Chad. Fair enough.
I don't respect the bit where he lays on the emotional blackmail.
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WOW that sux.......sorry to hear that !!
Thank you Wes. More impotently I hope that your lung biopsy went okay and that you will be with us for years to come.
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Chad is a kidney fryer and a cock roach
Add Sociopath to that.
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Add Sociopath to that.
Is this comment based on a personal experience with Chad?
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You guys are being too hard on the Chad and need to learn about self accountability. I didn’t see Chad shoveling all those Advils in Prince’s mouth.
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You guys are being too hard on the Chad and need to learn about self accountability. I didn’t see Chad shoveling all those Advils in Prince’s mouth.
Sure, but here's question for you.
If you were coaching an athlete and handed him a cup of something toxic, say a mercury based diuretic and you know that your client has no idea what it is (and possibly would turn it down if they did) - do you believe you have a moral obligation to let him know what it is, if not the possible risks associated with it?
If the answer to the above is anything but "yes," I guess the logic must be "well it's not my fault if he's stupid enough to blindly trust in me as his mentor" ::)
Isn't it interesting how all coaches advise on supplementation, but few have such a "body count" and are vilified for pushing the envelope.
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Is this comment based on a personal experience with Chad?
No
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Sure, but here's question for you.
If you were coaching an athlete and handed him a cup of something toxic, say a mercury based diuretic and you know that your client has no idea what it is (and possibly would turn it down if they did) - do you believe you have a moral obligation to let him know what it is, if not the possible risks associated with it?
There is another avenue of possibility where the coach himself doesn't know what risks are associated :-\
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Sure, but here's question for you.
If you were coaching an athlete and handed him a cup of something toxic, say a mercury based diuretic and you know that your client has no idea what it is (and possibly would turn it down if they did) - do you believe you have a moral obligation to let him know what it is, if not the possible risks associated with it?
If the answer to the above is anything but "yes," I guess the logic must be "well it's not my fault if he's stupid enough to blindly trust in me as his mentor" ::)
Isn't it interesting how all coaches advise on supplementation, but few have such a "body count" and are vilified for pushing the envelope.
2 Things
1, The Person Taking medication should be asking & Knowing What & Why he is taking something
2, Yes you would have an obligation to tell him what it is & if you didn’t you’d be a True Scumbag
Can’t get away from one'sown personal responsibilities- That doesn’t Excuse A Coach from his Moral Responsibilities & Expalining What & why to use something.
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100% agree.
In 2001 Kamali showed up at the Olympia at 245. Looked as good as he could. Shouldn't have beat Vince Taylor but anyway.
2002 he showed up at 238 in worse condition. Ron Harris said he saw him 4 weeks out and said he can't make it to the show in good condition so fuck knows how hard he depleted himself to get down to 238. Getting fat in the offseason is not how to gain more muscle. He fucked himself and never did as well again.
I think he has well above average genetics (remember "big picture" in Flex Magazine, there was pic of him as a 15 years old teen, he was exceptional, also he started winning shows in his teens)
Don't get me wrong, he doesnt have the best genetics around but he definitely has good genetics.
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There is another avenue of possibility where the coach himself doesn't know what risks are associated :-\
Very true, in which case he likely shouldn't be advising athletes to take substances that he himself doesn't understand. :(
2 Things
1, The Person Taking medication should be asking & Knowing What & Why he is taking something
2, Yes you would have an obligation to tell him what it is & if you didn’t you’d be a True Scumbag
Can’t get away from one'sown personal responsibilities- That doesn’t Excuse A Coach from his Moral Responsibilities & Expalining What & why to use something.
Well said Illuminati, agree entirely.
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Thank you Wes. More impotently I hope that your lung biopsy went okay and that you will be with us for years to come.
Thanks booty...........long complicated story but my biopsy comes up on the 17th. of this month.
LOOOOOng story which I will divulge soon if anyone is interested.............. ..dont wanna get flamed too heavy for it.
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Yes, Mc Fresh Wes must be with us for many many years to come!
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Back in 1996, diuretic testing was instituted at the Olympia that year (Nasser failed, losing his 3rd place) and continued into the 2000s. If you recall, Cutler failed the 2001 Olympia diuretic test but after threatening with a lawsuit, retained his placing and prize money. Anyway, in order to get around the diuretic testing, word was that Chad had discovered a mercury-based diuretic that was not being tested for. If you do a basic search on mercurial diuretics and their toxicity, you can see why I believe that this was one of the main reasons so many of his clients in particular had issues.
Tom Prince stated that diuretics testing was why he was so smooth at one contest [maybe the 1999 Ironman or Night of Champions...I think it was a 1999 contest]. Then, I remember him saying that Chad found a way to get around that. I guess he was referring to Chad's introduction of mercury-based diuretics for his athletes bodybuilders science projects. :-X
As for Cutler suing in 2001 over his failed diuretics test - it was because the rules stipulated that the lab testing for diuretics had to be IOC-approved. It was not IOC-approved, so the IFBB settled before it went to court, and Cutler got his 2nd place back. Markus Ruhl got something like his 14th place back. ;D
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Sure, but here's question for you.
If you were coaching an athlete and handed him a cup of something toxic, say a mercury based diuretic and you know that your client has no idea what it is (and possibly would turn it down if they did) - do you believe you have a moral obligation to let him know what it is, if not the possible risks associated with it?
If the answer to the above is anything but "yes," I guess the logic must be "well it's not my fault if he's stupid enough to blindly trust in me as his mentor" ::)
Isn't it interesting how all coaches advise on supplementation, but few have such a "body count" and are vilified for pushing the envelope.
I was just trying to work the Advil excuse into this thread somehow. I think Chad is a kidney fryer of peace...
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Thanks booty...........long complicated story but my biopsy comes up on the 17th. of this month.
LOOOOOng story which I will divulge soon if anyone is interested.............. ..dont wanna get flamed too heavy for it.
Hope all is going well for you.
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So far so good my friend.
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So far so good my friend.
That’s good to Hear Wes.
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Kamali (I refuse to call him "King") sharing a garbage "interview" with filler questions. At least Patrick Bet David (Valuetainment) will have had pressed Chad and thrown him the hard questions.
Read any negative comments and then look for a reply from King's account. He certainly likes to talk about the mothers of strangers, pathetic!
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I agree with your sentiment, but I think Shawn's gripe is that he (rightly or wrongly) imposed a moral responsibility on Chad to inform his athletes of exactly what they were taking and what the possible effects are. Ronnie conceded that he didn't even know what he took the night that he was on the brink of death sitting in the bathtub.
Patrick is a great interviewer, I trust that he will press Chad on doses and peculiarities such as mercury-based diuretics (which interestingly, Shawn did not bring up).
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Sounds like a diuretics scare.
When/where did Ronnie recount this story? I missed it.
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Whether Mersalyl is the cause of any of Chad's clients health problems I don't know. It caused the odd fatality due to mercury poisoning according to google. I don't know if it caused kidney damage specifically. In any case, giving it to clients, who didn't care enough to even know what it was (so some blame falls upon them too) sounds reckless in the extreme. It takes a madman to play with them in this manner. Prince was supposedly shooting speedballs and using handfuls of Advil - this excuse is seen as kind of joke here but the fact of the matter is that it's toxic. Lots of NSAIDs and other painkillers have been recalled and banned due to tons of deaths from heart attacks and organ failure.
What kind of blame could be levelled at Chad for what happened to Dallas for example? As a matter of fact you wouldn't need any kind of medical tests to know that Dallas was at risk of imminent death - ALL guys his size have a hypertrophic heart that is at risk for electrical problems and so on. The only healthy advice for him would have been to say it's over, stop bodybuilding and hope some of the changes would be partly reversible.
I didn't watch Shawn Ray's video - what is his advice for these bodybuilders? What exactly is an acceptable level of drug use according to him?
Ronnie did take an extended layoff after many Os. Other gurus like Patrick Tuor have their athletes come off while eating a low protein diet for a few months after shows. This is because prep is damaging by necessity. It can't be done completely safely.
Bodybuilding pharmacology is experimental and no one can predict what the end result will be from the combination of a wide variety of drugs in different classes. Doesn't even matter if the guru is an actual doctor. Other sports have crazy chemical experimenters too. In the early days of cycling you had cyclists using a witches brew called "pot belge", supposedly so fucked up on a combo of narcotics that if they had an accident they would lie in a ditch while their legs kept pedaling. Later you had cyclists using so much EPO that they had to sleep with heart monitors to avoid dying in their sleep.
Milos is called out here for doing dangerous things. And he did end up in the hospital several times due to drugs.
Probably had a bunch of other mishaps we don't know about. Also supposedly used tons of narcotics. But I saw someone ask him on IG how come he is still around and not on dialysis or whatever, when many of his buddies are gone. He said it's due to leading a healthy lifestyle and having a healthy diet lol :D
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Sounds like a diuretics scare.
When/where did Ronnie recount this story? I missed it.
It does sound like that, perhaps a mercury based one?
It was in this episode, but unfortunately I don't have a timestamp for you my friend. Edit: 55:20
Ronnie: I got up that morning I was going to the hospital, my nutritionist talked me out of it because I thought I was dying, felt like I was dying
Ronnie: Because I had fainted the night before, I did pass out when I was putting on my tan I fell backwards in the tub. One minute I was wide awake, the next minute I was waking up in the tub like what happened.
Ronnie: I drunk a whole gallon
Patrick: So you were on diuretics?
Ronnie: Yeah well, I guess. I don't know, I can't say for sure. He was my nutritionist and he gave me everything
Patrick: He gave you everything?
Ronnie: Yeah yeah, he put something in a glass and said drink this
The blind faith on Ronnie's behalf is just baffling to me. He also states he has "1,000%" [sic] trust for Chad and did 'everything' that he told him to do.
Whether Mersalyl is the cause of any of Chad's clients health problems I don't know. It caused the odd fatality due to mercury poisoning according to google. I don't know if it caused kidney damage specifically. In any case, giving it to clients, who didn't care enough to even know what it was (so some blame falls upon them too) sounds reckless in the extreme. It takes a madman to play with them in this manner. Prince was supposedly shooting speedballs and using handfuls of Advil - this excuse is seen as kind of joke here but the fact of the matter is that it's toxic. Lots of NSAIDs and other painkillers have been recalled and banned due to tons of deaths from heart attacks and organ failure.
What kind of blame could be levelled at Chad for what happened to Dallas for example? As a matter of fact you wouldn't need any kind of medical tests to know that Dallas was at risk of imminent death - ALL guys his size have a hypertrophic heart that is at risk for electrical problems and so on. The only healthy advice for him would have been to say it's over, stop bodybuilding and hope some of the changes would be partly reversible.
I didn't watch Shawn Ray's video - what is his advice for these bodybuilders? What exactly is an acceptable level of drug use according to him?
Ronnie did take an extended layoff after many Os. Other gurus like Patrick Tuor have their athletes come off while eating a low protein diet for a few months after shows. This is because prep is damaging by necessity. It can't be done completely safely.
Bodybuilding pharmacology is experimental and no one can predict what the end result will be from the combination of a wide variety of drugs in different classes. Doesn't even matter if the guru is an actual doctor. Other sports have crazy chemical experimenters too. In the early days of cycling you had cyclists using a witches brew called "pot belge", supposedly so fucked up on a combo of narcotics that if they had an accident they would lie in a ditch while their legs kept pedaling. Later you had cyclists using so much EPO that they had to sleep with heart monitors to avoid dying in their sleep.
Well said, unfortunately. :-\ :-\
As for Shawn, he did not detail what is and isn't acceptable levels of drug use, conveniently.
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It does sound like that, perhaps a mercury based one?
It was in this episode, but unfortunately I don't have a timestamp for you my friend. Edit: 55:20
Well said, unfortunately. :-\ :-\
As fior Shawn, he did not detail what is and isn't acceptable levels of drug use, conveniently.
I didn't watch but Ronnie has said he wanted to go to the hospital as he felt he was dying, but Chad said no, no don't do that. Then he drank a gallon of water and made it through. I just can't understand how Chad was thinking there, there is no way he could predict for sure Ronnie would't die. Even the drinking of that amount of water quickly can be deadly by diluting electrolytes.
I remember once a friend messaged me in panic as a pro was lying in a US hotel room cramping up violently, asking me what to do. He had taken a supplement pill called star caps, IIRC, which some other pro had recommended as a diuretic. I googled it and it apparently contained an undeclared loop diuretic. All I could say is better be safe than sorry, call the ambulance if worried. What ended up happening was my friend grabbed a salt shaker off a maid's cart in the hallway and poured salt in the guy's mouth and thankfully he was fine shortly after. But it was not my advice as doing something like that could make things worse depending on a variety of factors. So I have a hard time understanding how Chad could tell an athlete in extreme distress not to call medical personnel.
Sometimes a guru could do things to save someone's life though. Milos said he stopped medical personnel from giving Mustafa Mohammed potassium as he knew Mustafa likely had elevated potassium which Milos said was later shown to be the case. Potassium could have stopped his heart. I think Shawn was involved in this episode.
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I really doubt professional bodybuilders would be reckless with their body and take unknown drugs.
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I didn't watch but Ronnie has said he wanted to go to the hospital as he felt he was dying, but Chad said no, no don't do that. Then he drank a gallon of water and made it through. I just can't understand how Chad was thinking there, there is no way he could predict for sure Ronnie would't die. Even the drinking of that amount of water quickly can be deadly by diluting electrolytes.
I remember once a friend messaged me in panic as a pro was lying in a US hotel room cramping up violently, asking me what to do. He had taken a supplement pill called star caps, IIRC, which some other pro had recommended as a diuretic. I googled it and it apparently contained an undeclared loop diuretic. All I could say is better be safe than sorry, call the ambulance if worried. What ended up happening was my friend grabbed a salt shaker off a maid's cart in the hallway and poured salt in the guy's mouth and thankfully he was fine shortly after. But it was not my advice as doing something like that could make things worse depending on a variety of factors. So I have a hard time understanding how Chad could tell an athlete in extreme distress not to call medical personnel.
Sometimes a guru could do things to save someone's life though. Milos said he stopped medical personnel from giving Mustafa Mohammed potassium as he knew Mustafa likely had elevated potassium which Milos said was later shown to be the case. Potassium could have stopped his heart. I think Shawn was involved in this episode.
Pretty spot on recount - I have edited my post to include a brief transcript but yeah, almost verbatim what you've remembered.
I have never heard of Star Caps, what a crazy story though. Crazy how close some of these "athletes" come to death... The part that I bolded is what puzzles me the most, just seems so extreme.
Milos, impressive. Doesn't he come from a family of medical professionals too? Perhaps him and Ameen Alai are some of the smarter (not necessarily safer) gurus?
I really doubt professional bodybuilders would be reckless with their body and take unknown drugs.
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It does sound like that, perhaps a mercury based one?
It was in this episode, but unfortunately I don't have a timestamp for you my friend. Edit: 55:20
Ronnie: I got up that morning I was going to the hospital, my nutritionist talked me out of it because I thought I was dying, felt like I was dying
Ronnie: Because I had fainted the night before, I did pass out when I was putting on my tan I fell backwards in the tub. One minute I was wide awake, the next minute I was waking up in the tub like what happened.
Ronnie: I drunk a whole gallon
Patrick: So you were on diuretics?
Ronnie: Yeah well, I guess. I don't know, I can't say for sure. He was my nutritionist and he gave me everything
Patrick: He gave you everything?
Ronnie: Yeah yeah, he put something in a glass and said drink this
The blind faith on Ronnie's behalf is just baffling to me. He also states he has "1,000%" [sic] trust for Chad and did 'everything' that he told him to do.
Well said, unfortunately. :-\ :-\
As for Shawn, he did not detail what is and isn't acceptable levels of drug use, conveniently.
Sorry I don’t buy Ronnie’s story completely.
He may be a bit thick but he isn’t that stupid, If he was daft enough to blindly take whatever
Was given to him without question or explanation then More Fool Him.
He has a duty of care to look after himself.
Likey scenario is that knew the possible repercussions of what he had given Ronnie
And Advised Him What To do to remedy the situation.
Again if Ronnie is that Stupid he thought he was dying & Didnt Phone the ambulance
Go to Hospital Who’s Fault is that. His.
I’m not trying to defend chad - Only these bodybuilders Blaming Him For their lack of knowledge
/ Effort To Find Out What there Taking & Why is Just Laughable when they blame him.
As we all know Bodybuilding prep at any advanced level isn’t without its potential risks
And just how far someone wants to push it just makes the odds higher.
If they wanted to use a diuretic & Not get caught in the testing it appears Chad found a way
Round it for them - Risky as it Maybe.
The demand was there & Chad supplied.
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It does sound like that, perhaps a mercury based one?
It was in this episode, but unfortunately I don't have a timestamp for you my friend. Edit: 55:20
Ronnie: I got up that morning I was going to the hospital, my nutritionist talked me out of it because I thought I was dying, felt like I was dying
Ronnie: Because I had fainted the night before, I did pass out when I was putting on my tan I fell backwards in the tub. One minute I was wide awake, the next minute I was waking up in the tub like what happened.
Ronnie: I drunk a whole gallon
Patrick: So you were on diuretics?
Ronnie: Yeah well, I guess. I don't know, I can't say for sure. He was my nutritionist and he gave me everything
Patrick: He gave you everything?
Ronnie: Yeah yeah, he put something in a glass and said drink this
The blind faith on Ronnie's behalf is just baffling to me. He also states he has "1,000%" [sic] trust for Chad and did 'everything' that he told him to do.
Well said, unfortunately. :-\ :-\
As for Shawn, he did not detail what is and isn't acceptable levels of drug use, conveniently.
No surprise, Ronnie has said numerous times he had asked flex wheeler for advice on what to take and flex told him to take this and that, and he admitted, whether he’s exaggerating or not, that he just took them without knowing what it was
In another interview with Shawn interviewed Jean Pierre Fux and he said he got a bottle of synthol which he wasn’t even sure if it was legit or not, no label, just a bottle, but injected it anyways. After doing that he had to rush into the hospital because something went wrong and he thought he was going to die
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No surprise, Ronnie has said numerous times he had asked flex wheeler for advice on what to take and flex told him to take this and that, and he admitted, whether he’s exaggerating or not, that he just took them without knowing what it was
In another interview with Shawn interviewed Jean Pierre Fux and he said he got a bottle of synthol which he wasn’t even sure if it was legit or not, no label, just a bottle, but injected it anyways. After doing that he had to rush into the hospital because something went wrong and he thought he was going to die
The onus still lays with the Bodybuilders they are willing to take these substances
Be they Good or Bad - More so if they don’t ask or Question what it is they Taking & Why.
If The Coaches are Lying to them & deceiving them then that’s a different matter,
As stated if taking all & everything without question then it’s down to them.
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Kamali still looks fat and sounds bloated
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It does sound like that, perhaps a mercury based one?
It was in this episode, but unfortunately I don't have a timestamp for you my friend. Edit: 55:20
Ronnie: I got up that morning I was going to the hospital, my nutritionist talked me out of it because I thought I was dying, felt like I was dying
Ronnie: Because I had fainted the night before, I did pass out when I was putting on my tan I fell backwards in the tub. One minute I was wide awake, the next minute I was waking up in the tub like what happened.
Ronnie: I drunk a whole gallon
Patrick: So you were on diuretics?
Ronnie: Yeah well, I guess. I don't know, I can't say for sure. He was my nutritionist and he gave me everything
Patrick: He gave you everything?
Ronnie: Yeah yeah, he put something in a glass and said drink this
The blind faith on Ronnie's behalf is just baffling to me. He also states he has "1,000%" [sic] trust for Chad and did 'everything' that he told him to do.
Well said, unfortunately. :-\ :-\
As for Shawn, he did not detail what is and isn't acceptable levels of drug use, conveniently.
Got around to watching Ronnie’s interview, the guy really is either an idiot or he really doesn’t know what’s going on
He blames the surgeon for his pain and their mishap, says he even hired an attorney, if that’s the case, should be an easy lawsuit for him. Truth is all those injuries were on him and him alone. Branch has stated he was there at the gym when Ronnie broke a screw in his back doing leg presses. This guy is a mess
Also claims he got his bf levels measured at .33 percent ::) even says he walks around at 300 pounds at 2 percent
Guy might be an 8 time O winner, but Jesus, he’s an idiot!!
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Got around to watching Ronnie’s interview, the guy really is either an idiot or he really doesn’t know what’s going on
He blames the surgeon for his pain and their mishap, says he even hired an attorney, if that’s the case, should be an easy lawsuit for him. Truth is all those injuries were on him and him alone. Branch has stated he was there at the gym when Ronnie broke a screw in his back doing leg presses. This guy is a mess
Also claims he got his bf levels measured at .33 percent ::) even says he walks around at 300 pounds at 2 percent
Guy might be an 8 time O winner, but Jesus, he’s an idiot!!
How about the part when Patrick talks about some NFL player or some shit in his book and Ronnie has no idea what he's talking about...
GHOSTWRITER OF PEACE
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How about the part when Patrick talks about some NFL player or some shit in his book and Ronnie has no idea what he's talking about...
GHOSTWRITER OF PEACE
;D Yep, he had no idea.
Or how Ronnie said ALL his gear was prescribed and then compares baseball players cycles to bbers, and says that they don’t look like bbers...... yeah, that’s cause they don’t run the same cycles as bbers and their main emphasis isn’t on their physiques but in performance
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;D Yep, he had no idea.
Or how Ronnie said ALL his gear was prescribed and then compares baseball players cycles to bbers, and says that they don’t look like bbers...... yeah, that’s cause they don’t run the same cycles as bbers and their main emphasis isn’t on their physiques but in performance
And yet people still believe that Ronnie was natural when he was competing against Demayo, Wheeler, and Levrone in the NPC
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Perfect formula for disaster.
Drug addicted bodybuilders willing to serve as guinea pigs mixing up with a drug dealer pretending to play scientist.
Shit happens and it happened to the 5th power.
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Milos, impressive. Doesn't he come from a family of medical professionals too? Perhaps him and Ameen Alai are some of the smarter (not necessarily safer) gurus?
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Milos is pretty smart but most importantly he has a lot of experience. Like Milos says, hardcore bodybuilding is an extreme sport, you want something that isn't extreme (or is extremely safe), go do something else. I think a lot of guys are attracted to bb because it's extreme, and I understand completely, that's why it's interesting to me too.
I'm not impressed by Ameen in the least. He comes across as a bullshitter in general and his "scientific" knowledge is shit. I watched some of his recent videos and I just think he is ridiculous, he doesn't say anything interesting or where I think "this guy knows what he's talking about". None of his gear tips has any practical value.
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Or how Ronnie said ALL his gear was prescribed
Some people even on "hardcore" forums half-entertained the idea that all his gear was prescribed. WTF? Anyone who knows anything knows that's not how this works.
I seem to remember, back in the day, he had some problems with a gear package sent to his moms house or some shit. It's so silly to bullshit like this. I know some say this is what he has to say or needs to say so kids don't think it's okay to use black market drugs. I don't think this sort of crap will save a single kid in any way. And no one cares that he drugged anyway.
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Some people even on "hardcore" forums half-entertained the idea that all his gear was prescribed. WTF? Anyone who knows anything knows that's not how this works.
I seem to remember, back in the day, he had some problems with a gear package sent to his moms house or some shit. It's so silly to bullshit like this. I know some say this is what he has to say or needs to say so kids don't think it's okay to use black market drugs. I don't think this sort of crap will save a single kid in any way. And no one cares that he drugged anyway.
I'm curious about that story involving Ronnie and the problems receiving a gear package. I heard about it briefly on the boards, but never got the full details.
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I'm curious about that story involving Ronnie and the problems receiving a gear package. I heard about it briefly on the boards, but never got the full details.
I only read about it on the boards also, but it sounded like something did happen. Chad also accused Shawn Ray of calling the cops on him. That was ridiculous, a pro bodybuilder calling the cops on someone else over illegal drugs? ??? ::)
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Milos is pretty smart but most importantly he has a lot of experience. Like Milos says, hardcore bodybuilding is an extreme sport, you want something that isn't extreme (or is extremely safe), go do something else. I think a lot of guys are attracted to bb because it's extreme, and I understand completely, that's why it's interesting to me too.
I'm not impressed by Ameen in the least. He comes across as a bullshitter in general and his "scientific" knowledge is shit. I watched some of his recent videos and I just think he is ridiculous, he doesn't say anything interesting or where I think "this guy knows what he's talking about". None of his gear tips has any practical value.
I took am skeptical of Ameen, he claims to have had worked with people who never really acknowledge him as their guru, some (Don Long) even denying that they ever worked with Ameen. Maybe this was back when Ameen was being exposed for being a dealer/gear connection? I know Ameen said he coached Jay Cutler, but the one time Jay strayed from Aceto was when he worked with Rambod for a brief stint. So, little weird...
I'm pretty skeptical of his "DNA based approach" to coaching, the actual scientific literature is very hazy when it comes to personal genomics companies (23&Me, Helix etC) and how that data can provide 'accurate' recommendations for diet, training etc. If you look at Ameen's website he talks about "analysis of your type 1 to type 2 muscle fiber ratio" which "will impact the strategy for your physical performance plan."
Really? ::) Even if someone is systemically more fast/slow twitch dominant, it doesn't mean that every muscle is the same. Some muscles are notorious for being more fast twitch, some more slow twitch dominant. Just seems like a lot of science woo rah to win people over.
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Good thing they blurred the face and changed the voice so that no one can know who they are. Only Lee Priest didn't care about showing his face.
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I'm curious about that story involving Ronnie and the problems receiving a gear package. I heard about it briefly on the boards, but never got the full details.
Matt, if anyone on these boards can find an old thread. I expect it to be you! ;)
Good thing they blurred the face and changed the voice so that no one can know who they are. Only Lee Priest didn't care about showing his face.
;D ;D ;D
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this youtube vids are classic
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I took am skeptical of Ameen, he claims to have had worked with people who never really acknowledge him as their guru, some (Don Long) even denying that they ever worked with Ameen. Maybe this was back when Ameen was being exposed for being a dealer/gear connection? I know Ameen said he coached Jay Cutler, but the one time Jay strayed from Aceto was when he worked with Rambod for a brief stint. So, little weird...
I'm pretty skeptical of his "DNA based approach" to coaching, the actual scientific literature is very hazy when it comes to personal genomics companies (23&Me, Helix etC) and how that data can provide 'accurate' recommendations for diet, training etc. If you look at Ameen's website he talks about "analysis of your type 1 to type 2 muscle fiber ratio" which "will impact the strategy for your physical performance plan."
Really? ::) Even if someone is systemically more fast/slow twitch dominant, it doesn't mean that every muscle is the same. Some muscles are notorious for being more fast twitch, some more slow twitch dominant. Just seems like a lot of science woo rah to win people over.
He draws the wrong conclusions from science, not that he has the background to interpret research in the first place. Someone can know a lot less than even Ameen yet their common sense approach is a lot more practical and effective.
An example of his great gear advice is to only use oral anabolics before workouts. This he argues will allow an athlete to only reap the positive effects of the drug for muscle growth while avoiding the negative effects such as a detrimental effect on heart muscle. I think he also recommends alternating between stronger drugs like Anadrol and milder ones like Anavar within the same week. But say you train 4 times per week. You are exposing your body to increased anabolism from the drug for maybe half a day, four days per week. This is far from exploiting the drug fully. Of course you will get less sides from less time exposure to a drug but this has to be compared to the comparatively far weaker anabolic effect than with round the clock exposure. Basically you can't get all the positives without any negatives. And the drug will not go to just the skeletal muscle just because you took it before a workout. So how does this advice help a bodybuilder grow as much as possible or get to the next level? It's useless.
Ameen says he helped and coached Craig Titus. But Craig simply took as many drugs as possible in a pretty haphazard way. Dante Doggcrapp said Craig sent him a fax of his drug cycle and it was the heaviest he had seen, something like 5 grams of just test and the total was something insane like 13 grams. So how did Ameen help him? I think it was just Craig using him for getting drugs, just like he used homos to help finance the whole thing.
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Really? ::) Even if someone is systemically more fast/slow twitch dominant, it doesn't mean that every muscle is the same. Some muscles are notorious for being more fast twitch, some more slow twitch dominant. Just seems like a lot of science woo rah to win people over.
Say someone has a high ratio slow twitch fibers. That doesn't mean he should train like an endurance athlete for hypertrophy. The same hypertrophy principles will apply to him as they will to a fast twitch dominant athlete. The slow twitch do not hypertrophy much anyway, from what I remember. This kind of genetic info, even if correct will not change much in the way of the optimal approach for hypertrophy. It could maybe help someone decide they should perhaps start running marathons and forget about becoming Mr O. :D
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Almost all of top guys Ameen says he worked with either deny or it can’t be proved. It’s not like Titus can back up any of his claims. Doggcrapp bullshits too, he’s never produced or worked with top level guys. Are we supposed to believe Titus would write his whole cycle down in its entirety so he could get Doggcrapp of all peoples opinion?? Absurd..... And DC always claims to know after the fact that he’s had inside information all along about what was going on and how and what the person was using down to the exact amount with pro bodybuilders. They all lie, bodybuilders, “gurus” all of them.
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They all lie, bodybuilders, “gurus” all of them.
Of course, basic psychology. I argued with Dogg plenty of times over whether Ronnie turned pro natural and shit like that :D
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Of course, basic psychology. I argued with Dogg plenty of times over whether Ronnie turned pro natural and shit like that :D
Size 14 clown shoes palumbo believes Ronnie turned pro natural ::)
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Size 14 clown shoes palumbo believes Ronnie turned pro natural ::)
"Believes" or really believes, that's the question :D
These days if you just do some basic anabolics you are basically a natural. He wasn't natural. What a joke.
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Got around to watching Ronnie’s interview, the guy really is either an idiot or he really doesn’t know what’s going on
He blames the surgeon for his pain and their mishap, says he even hired an attorney, if that’s the case, should be an easy lawsuit for him. Truth is all those injuries were on him and him alone. Branch has stated he was there at the gym when Ronnie broke a screw in his back doing leg presses. This guy is a mess
Also claims he got his bf levels measured at .33 percent ::) even says he walks around at 300 pounds at 2 percent
Guy might be an 8 time O winner, but Jesus, he’s an idiot!!
Bevo Ronnie is the only Mr. Olympia who has managed to cripple himself lifting weights
Do you remember the poster billy carp who used to post on here he worked for metrix when Ronnie was signed with them he said Ronnie was dumber than shit in real life
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Shawn raises two distinct points: refusing to work with Chad and the death toll attributed to Chad. Hm, which of these two points does Chad choose to respond to first? ::)
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That's definitely Jay Cutler.
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That's definitely Jay Cutler.
Really? Shit, looks like Lee Priest to me. ???
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Its justPlaneJane
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I never knew that Jane Lynch was so interested in bodybuilding drugs
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Say someone has a high ratio slow twitch fibers. That doesn't mean he should train like an endurance athlete for hypertrophy. The same hypertrophy principles will apply to him as they will to a fast twitch dominant athlete. The slow twitch do not hypertrophy much anyway, from what I remember. This kind of genetic info, even if correct will not change much in the way of the optimal approach for hypertrophy. It could maybe help someone decide they should perhaps start running marathons and forget about becoming Mr O. :D
It's easy enough to figure out if you respond better to lower or higher rep ranges, using some kind of genetic sequencing is total overkill. Not that it would provide much information, muscle tissue biopsies are the only way to figure out fast twitch/slow twitch proportions
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Shawn raises two distinct points: refusing to work with Chad and the death toll attributed to Chad. Hm, which of these two points does Chad choose to respond to first? ::)
I know, where was the blast? Shawn tears up Chad and talks about all the deaths and Chad responds by talking for 5 minutes about how he didn't ask Shawn to work together in 1996. What a dud of a preview of an interview.
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Chad seems elliptical in his segment.
I'm with Shawn on this one.
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Chad seems elliptical in his segment.
I'm with Shawn on this one.
If I was an investigator, I’d be suspicious - his demeanor and cadence or speech if off. Very odd.
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the more time has gone on, the more you realise that ronnie dominated because he was dumb enough to take the highest dosages and bear the sides, until he got hit with palumboism.
palumbo with his average genetics must have been mega dosing to get palumboism, so imagine how much ronnie with his tier 1 genetics must have been on to manage to get palumboized.
I remember he used to do a weird twitch in his dvds while working out.
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Chad looking straight out of Limp Bizkit.
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Chad talks like a girl. “Like”, “literally”.
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the more time has gone on, the more you realise that ronnie dominated because he was dumb enough to take the highest dosages and bear the sides, until he got hit with palumboism.
palumbo with his average genetics must have been mega dosing to get palumboism, so imagine how much ronnie with his tier 1 genetics must have been on to manage to get palumboized.
I remember he used to do a weird twitch in his dvds while working out.
good post and yes... he had some strange movements
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Chad looking straight out of Limp Bizkit.
long soul patch lol!
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Chad talks like a girl. “Like”, “literally”.
His test levels are low after all the years of gearing up, give the guy a break, nothing wrong with being emotional these days
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Flex Wheeler and Paul Dillett need to give their opinion. Their opinions matter. They worked with Chad.
Since Shawn and Chad never worked together, all they are doing is disagreeing with each other. Shawn is basing his opinions on rumors and gossip.
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His test levels are low after all the years of gearing up, give the guy a break, nothing wrong with being emotional these days
Think of it like this. He drugged his wife up so that she should have been competing in the men’s open class of bodybuilding. She was the man. He was the woman.
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Think of it like this. He drugged his wife up so that she should have been competing in the men’s open class of bodybuilding. She was the man. He was the woman.
Did you sleep with Shawn?I forget, I seem to remember you did
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"everything Shawn said was a flat out lie, I mean literally all of it, apart from everything was true except I wasn't working with athletes in 96, I only worked with Kim, I started with others in 97"
So can someone remind me which bit Shawn lied about?
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Remember chad did turn his wife into a man I bet she drilled him in his asshole with her strap on and Chad loved it
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Think of it like this. He drugged his wife up so that she should have been competing in the men’s open class of bodybuilding. She was the man. He was the woman.
That Chad was pretty slick, pulled a fast one on himself
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That Chad was pretty slick, pulled a fast one on himself
He used his wife as a stepping stone to train/ fry kidneys with other athletes.
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Did you sleep with Shawn?I forget, I seem to remember you did
I'll take this one Booty. Army of One - yes, she did. He prolapsed her anus.
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I'm just watching Shawn's interview now. Damn - good stuff! Shawn is a great speaker. Articulate, full of confidence, and a father, which I respect. Shawn was [or is] a Christian, and I respect that too, even though I'm not religious myself.
I've always liked Shawn. He's like me in the respect that he speaks his mind even if he gets hated for it. I like that quality, and I wish more people could be that way. I feel that far too many people self-censor, and Shawn isn't one of those guys.
LOL @ Chad offering Shawn "help" after he had just placed 2nd at the Mr. Olympia. I mean, come on. Is that what coaches do? Try to align themselves with top guys, so they can then take credit for it? Seems like a good strategy, but also an insult to Shawn's to Shawn's ability to get himself in shape, which he was obviously able to do.
I also think Shawn would have probably been a multi-212 Olympia winner, had he been 20 years later. After all, he almost won the whole show himself, despite being outweighed by the champion. I'm sure not winning the Olympia is something that bothers Shawn, but being 2nd in the world at what you do, and seemingly with this health intact today - and his family - is nothing to scoff at.
Good for Shawn for speaking his mind here. He's always had my respect, and that opinion is only solidified here.
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shawn has plenty of skeletons himself, didn't his mom do jail time by claiming a certain package was hers and not his?
he always talks about health, how is it healthy to be as fat as he is especially in his 50's? i also don't understand how a guy goes from being a top bodybuilder to being fat, how do you go from one extreme to the other?
will somebody question shawn about how he always forgets his wallet when the waitress brings the check?
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shawn has plenty of skeletons himself, didn't his mom do jail time by claiming a certain package was hers and not his?
he always talks about health, how is it healthy to be as fat as he is especially in his 50's? i also don't understand how a guy goes from being a top bodybuilder to being fat, how do you go from one extreme to the other?
will somebody question shawn about how he always forgets his wallet when the waitress brings the check?
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Shawn dines and dashes? LOL. I'm reminded of a meme that I once saw on Facebook. Someone in the comments replied "He didn't forget shit - he's just Black", LOL.
I'm not sure what is up with that story about Shawn's mom. Is it possible that Shawn made money with something illicit, and was taking care of his mom, and she was ok taking the charge, because she would get a lesser charge than he would? Maybe she was ok with it, because Shawn was taking care of her, as I suggested could have been the case.
I'm just speculating here. I'm not even sure if that incident actually happened, although I too read about it on the boards.
Regarding your comment about Shawn getting fat - is he really that fat for a 54-year-old man? I mentioned before that I got fat myself - I got to 213-lb in 2018!! I then dieted down to 163-lb, and now I'm sitting at my lean 170-lb or so again. I think that's the right weight for me.
Just wondering if Shawn is that fat for his age and etc. He might still lift, but if there is one thing I admired about Shawn, it was that when he retired from competitive pro bodybuilding, he seemed to have put the gear usage behind him too. Keep in mind that Shawn could have added 20-lb of muscle if he wanted to push his body to that extent - but he didn't want to. Would he have won the Olympia with an extra 20-lb of muscle? Possibly. After all, he almost won as it was! But Shawn wanted to do it his way, and keep his health in check. I admire that a lot, and he seems to have moved on to greener pastures, as a father and family man.
I wish Ron would un-ban my bodybuilding website! FYI, Shawn gave me a FREE copy of his "Fitness After 40" DVD for review, at the 2007 Arnold Classic expo! I respected the fact that Shawn didn't appear to do a steroid transformation for the DVD. It seemed to me he did a legitimate drug-free transformation, and I respect that. Perhaps he was on a bit of TRT, but I would say that was about it.
Since Ron has banned my website, I'll post the link using an IP URL:
http://209.29.131.27/shawnrayfitnessafter40dvd.html
And here is the Dine and Dash meme that I LOL'd at when I read the comment on it that said "He didn't forget shit - he's just Black." ;D
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shawn placed lower every time he tried to come in bigger
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shawn placed lower every time he tried to come in bigger
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Hmm...good point. I didn't realize that - didn't Shawn always place top four? Lol. So it's not like his placings radically went down, but I guess if they went down at all, then it's proof that bigger wouldn't have been better for him.
Maybe if he pushed both the steroids hard AND the diuretics/cutting agents, he could have won? Just speculation.
Shawn says some great stuff here, starting just after the 37 minute mark. I like how he is happy with how things turned out for him, despite never winning the Mr. Olympia. It's nice to be able to look back without regrets like that. Unfortunately, a lot of past champions can't say the same.
This link takes you to about the part in the interview where he looks back at his career with happiness:
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Also, Earl - what was that about Shawn Dine and Dashing? Did he really do that? Lol.
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Hmm...good point. I didn't realize that - didn't Shawn always place top four? Lol. So it's not like his placings radically went down, but I guess if they went down at all, then it's proof that bigger wouldn't have been better for him.
Maybe if he pushed both the steroids hard AND the diuretics/cutting agents, he could have won? Just speculation.
Shawn says some great stuff here, starting just after the 37 minute mark. I like how he is happy with how things turned out for him, despite never winning the Mr. Olympia. It's nice to be able to look back without regrets like that. Unfortunately, a lot of past champions can't say the same.
This link takes you to about the part in the interview where he looks back at his career with happiness:
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Also, Earl - what was that about Shawn Dine and Dashing? Did he really do that? Lol.
he said so himself, every time he tried to get bigger he was out of the top 3 - 4, his strength was overall balance with great conditioning, he only beat guys like nasser and Mr. Levrone when he was significantly sharper
i think shawn is very bitter he didn't win, which i understand
there was always talk of shawn always taking advantage of a free meal, really seems like most people have negative things to say about him and it isn't just because he speaks his mind
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I'm just watching Shawn's interview now. Damn - good stuff! Shawn is a great speaker. Articulate, full of confidence, and a father, which I respect. Shawn was [or is] a Christian, and I respect that too, even though I'm not religious myself.
I've always liked Shawn. He's like me in the respect that he speaks his mind even if he gets hated for it. I like that quality, and I wish more people could be that way. I feel that far too many people self-censor, and Shawn isn't one of those guys.
Matt, why is this relevant? Would you not respect his religious views, had he identified as an atheist/agnostic? Shawn seemingly cheats on his wife, took illegal drugs for years and years, disrespecting God's temple which is his body. But yes, hmm good on him for spending a few hours a week at Church (assuming he even does, which I doubt).
I have no issues with religion (I come from a fairly religious family) but I can't stand the idea that someone's wholesome purely because they identify with a religion. The nastiest, most hypocritical people I've ever met happened to be religious and I don't suddenly "respect" anyone more or less for learning that they follow a religion.
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I'll take this one Booty. Army of One - yes, she did. He prolapsed her anus.
Beefyfan fuck off.
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Beefyfan fuck off.
Pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
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he said so himself, every time he tried to get bigger he was out of the top 3 - 4, his strength was overall balance with great conditioning, he only beat guys like nasser and Mr. Levrone when he was significantly sharper
i think shawn is very bitter he didn't win, which i understand
there was always talk of shawn always taking advantage of a free meal, really seems like most people have negative things to say about him and it isn't just because he speaks his mind
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Interesting, Re: Shawn Dine and Dashing. LOL.
Still though...I wonder if he had gone a bit higher in terms of both growth-enhancing PEDs and cutting agent PEDs if he could have possibly snagged a win in one of the years that he was close.
Shawn may be a bit bitter about it, but he also seems to be in a good spot, in terms of being happy he's still healthy at his age, rather than being like Ronnie - who I am a big fan of...but it's hard to deny that Ronnie is falling apart physically, and seemingly in a 24/7 opiate stupor. He's actually probably enjoying using a little more oxycodone than he needs to at this point, and I wonder if that's part of the reason why he keeps pushing his body [knowing he can always get a stronger prescription - at this point, it would be unlikely that he would have his dosage reduced].
In that sense, Ronnie seems to be happy - he seems to have the mindset that even if he dies tomorrow, it was worth it. He's had a great life, and seems happy - but so too does Shawn, and also seems like he will be around for a while yet, having never pushed his body to the extent that Ronnie did.
Mr. Levrone seems to be doing pretty well too, health- and happiness-wise.
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!!!
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Matt, why is this relevant? Would you not respect his religious views, had he identified as an atheist/agnostic? Shawn seemingly cheats on his wife, took illegal drugs for years and years, disrespecting God's temple which is his body. But yes, hmm good on him for spending a few hours a week at Church (assuming he even does, which I doubt).
I have no issues with religion (I come from a fairly religious family) but I can't stand the idea that someone's wholesome purely because they identify with a religion. The nastiest, most hypocritical people I've ever met happened to be religious and I don't suddenly "respect" anyone more or less for learning that they follow a religion.
Like you, I come from a religious family. My mother, mainly. My dad is more of an agnostic.
That's a part of the answer. Another part is...I actually like Christian values. Not so much the "don't do drugs/steroids" aspects. But more like the - honouring your mother and father, or pair-bonding with a woman for life.
Which I REALLY hope I can do with my new girlfriend, but she is massively paranoid that I will smell the vagina of every woman who lives in Northwestern Ontario. And...she's not entirely wrong to have this concern. I even find that women are more likely to cheat on their boyfriends with me, if it's just me going down on them. ;D Past tense. I've been in a relationship/monogamous since November 10th now.
A part of me wishes I could have the faith my mom does. I wish I knew what comes after death, if anything, and what we need to do in our lives to achieve eternal salvation, if that's even possible.
In this sense, I am a bit envious of God-fearing Christians.
I suppose you can really boil down the answer to your question to the fact that I've been having a bit of an existential crisis lately. I no longer take for granted that I won't just drop dead tomorrow. I could full well drop dead tomorrow. I don't think I will - I firmly believe I am not quite done 50% of my life, now at 38, but...I'm just not as confident as I used to be about that.
Am I prepared to meet my maker if I have one? No, not really.
So you could say that I wish I had faith. I sometimes wish my brain wasn't so rigidly scientific as it is...and why did God create me like this, and give me a brain to question his existence? That would seem to be damning me to hell, and that just doesn't seem fair to me.
I do like Christian values though. I honestly wish I could have faith, but...it may just not be in my genetics to do so.
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Like you, I come from a religious family. My mother, mainly. My dad is more of an agnostic.
That's a part of the answer. Another part is...I actually like Christian values. Not so much the "don't do drugs/steroids" aspects. But more like the - honouring your mother and father, or pair-bonding with a woman for life.
Which I REALLY hope I can do with my new girlfriend, but she is massively paranoid that I will smell the vagina of every woman who lives in Northwestern Ontario. And...she's not entirely wrong to have this concern. I even find that women are more likely to cheat on their boyfriends with me, if it's just me going down on them. ;D Past tense. I've been in a relationship/monogamous since November 10th now.
A part of me wishes I could have the faith my mom does. I wish I knew what comes after death, if anything, and what we need to do in our lives to achieve eternal salvation, if that's even possible.
In this sense, I am a bit envious of God-fearing Christians.
I suppose you can really boil down the answer to your question to the fact that I've been having a bit of an existential crisis lately. I no longer take for granted that I won't just drop dead tomorrow. I could full well drop dead tomorrow. I don't think I will - I firmly believe I am not quite done 50% of my life, now at 38, but...I'm just not as confident as I used to be about that.
Am I prepared to meet my maker if I have one? No, not really.
So you could say that I wish I had faith. I sometimes wish my brain wasn't so rigidly scientific as it is...and why did God create me like this, and give me a brain to question his existence? That would seem to be damning me to hell, and that just doesn't seem fair to me.
I do like Christian values though. I honestly wish I could have faith, but...it may just not be in my genetics to do so.
I am sorry to hear about your troubling questioning Matthew, I too have felt weighted and distressed when delving into the old-age determinism versus free will debate. However like religion, I don't believe we will ever really know.
I too am a fan of Christian values, though I tend to think of them exclusively outside of faith. There's no reason that atheists/agnostics cannot be altruistic (though I am not an altruist by any stretch) and have socially-endearing values.
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I am sorry to hear about your troubling questioning Matthew, I too have felt weighted and distressed when delving into the old-age determinism versus free will debate. However like religion, I don't believe we will ever really know.
I too am a fan of Christian values, though I tend to think of them exclusively outside of faith. There's no reason that atheists/agnostics cannot be altruistic (though I am not an altruist by any stretch) and have socially-endearing values.
Thank you for your reply. Do you have a solution for those of us, yourself too seemingly, who have no answers to these ancient existential questions?
I wish I could just have faith in something, and leave it alone. I'm just not programmed that way. I feel like I do have free will - but I don't feel like I have the free will to believe in something without definitive evidence.
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This guy seems defensive. Every other word is "like" or "literally" which is annoying.
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I've watched the clips of Chad being interviewed now and the thing about what he says in response is that it can be corroborated - so it'll be interesting to see what is backed up.
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I've watched the clips of Chad being interviewed now and the thing about what he says in response is that it can be corroborated - so it'll be interesting to see what is backed up.
he called Shawn out as a liar about him approaching him then verified everything he said was true
He said he wasnt working with any athletes apart from Kim, that doesnt mean he didnt approach Shawn and get turned down
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This guy seems defensive. Every other word is "like" or "literally" which is annoying.
Defensive in what way? He just states what the situation was and that tons of people saw it.
He is spot on about compulsive liars. They really blur the lines of reality to the point where you're not sure if they're absolute deranged or creative geniuses with their lying.
His use of literally is absolutely grinding, though.
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he called Shawn out as a liar about him approaching him then verified everything he said was true
He said he wasnt working with any athletes apart from Kim, that doesnt mean he didnt approach Shawn and get turned down
He called Shawn out as a liar pertaining to him asking Shawn if he could help him.
He remained consistent on that.
If it is untrue, Shawn is a liar.
Are you struggling to comprehend some fairly simple continuity there?
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This guy seems defensive. Every other word is "like" or "literally" which is annoying.
The part about Chad confronting Levrone... and Levrone backing down is true. Flex Wheeler discussed this incident back in 98/99. Flex said that he was absolutely shocked at how Levrone backed down.
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He called Shawn out as a liar pertaining to him asking Shawn if he could help him.
He remained consistent on that.
If it is untrue, Shawn is a liar.
Are you struggling to comprehend some fairly simple continuity there?
I missed that
All he said was he wasnt working with any athletes back then, thats not denying he asked Shawn if he wanted help, if Shawn had said yes then he would have been working with an athlete, Shawn said no so his statement would be true
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The part about Chad confronting Levrone... and Levrone backing down is true. Flex Wheeler discussed this incident back in 98/99. Flex said that he was absolutely shocked at how Levrone backed down.
Really, a competitive athlete who needs to remain injury free in order to earn a living not wanting to brawl with a guy juiced off his head with nothing to lose.
Yes, I wonder why he backed down...
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Thank you for your reply. Do you have a solution for those of us, yourself too seemingly, who have no answers to these ancient existential questions?
I wish I could just have faith in something, and leave it alone. I'm just not programmed that way. I feel like I do have free will - but I don't feel like I have the free will to believe in something without definitive evidence.
I don't my friend, I simply embrace that there are certain answers we will never get as humans.
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The part about Chad confronting Levrone... and Levrone backing down is true. Flex Wheeler discussed this incident back in 98/99. Flex said that he was absolutely shocked at how Levrone backed down.
Sounds “Literally” like all Talk & “Literally” No Trousers - 🙄 300lbs of Wind & Piss “Literally”
Why would Kevin in a “Literally” Depleted state if he was Competing want to get into a Physical Confrontation
“I mean Literally”
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I missed that
All he said was he wasnt working with any athletes back then, thats not denying he asked Shawn if he wanted help, if Shawn had said yes then he would have been working with an athlete, Shawn said no so his statement would be true
He said "I wasn't working with athletes, I had absolutely no reputation - how could I ask to help to work with Shawn?".
He completely denied asking Shawn.
If you need more, you might be slightly autistic. Your perception of what he said is incredibly strange.
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Really, a competitive athlete who needs to remain injury free in order to earn a living not wanting to brawl with a guy juiced off his head with nothing to lose.
Yes, I wonder why he backed down...
Ask Flex and Dillett. They are witnesses.
It is interesting how Shawn Ray claims that Levrone was the aggressor, but in reality, Levrone was backing down.
The fact that Shawn is misrepresenting what happened, makes me question everything that Shawn says.
Add to that; during the 90’s Wheeler, Cormier, and Yates did not like Shawn.. which indicates that his fellow competitors know how Chad Nicholls feels.
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Ask Flex and Dillett. They are witnesses.
It is interesting how Shawn Ray claims that Levrone was the aggressor, but in reality, Levrone was backing down.
The fact that Shawn is misrepresenting what happened, makes me question everything that Shawn says.
Add to that; during the 90’s Wheeler, Cormier, and Yates did not like Shawn.. which indicates that his fellow competitors know how Chad Nicholls feels.
Not true, I was around in the late 90’s in SoCal, wheeler had beef here and there with Shawn but he didn’t dislike him, Chris looked up to Shawn, there was never any “real” hostility between them, shit talking here and there but never escalated to the point where there was real hate and that they were going to kill each other
Dorian I am not sure, he was never around, mainly in the east coast if he was in the state’s
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This guy seems defensive. Every other word is "like" or "literally" which is annoying.
Calls Shawn not a hard worker.... his “3 rules” before working with an “athlete” that’s where you know it’s BS
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The part about Chad confronting Levrone... and Levrone backing down is true. Flex Wheeler discussed this incident back in 98/99. Flex said that he was absolutely shocked at how Levrone backed down.
Why would Kevin even fight him? Nothing wrong with him backing down since he didn’t even know what was happening, Chad admitted he was in the wrong and apologized to Kevin and acknowledged that Kevin didn’t even know what was going on when he approached him
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Diet Doc responds! Full episode!
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So far, very good episode ;D He talks about plasma expanders and even addressed the stupid cycle attributed to Dallas: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=641202.0
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wHY THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY SO FUCKING ANGRY IN THIS THREAD!
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Diet Doc responds! Full episode!
Doc? Do they “literally” hand out MDs in organ frying nowadays?
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Doc? Do they “literally” hand out MDs in organ frying nowadays?
;D ;D ;D
You'll be (un)surprised to hear Chad say that the hierarchy of importance is nutrition > training > genetics > drugs :o
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;D ;D ;D
You'll be (un)surprised to hear Chad say that the hierarchy of importance is nutrition > training > genetics > drugs :o
Lol! I’m 15 mins in. Every time I heard “nutrition”, I just replace it with “drugs”.
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Lol! I’m 15 mins in. Every time I heard “nutrition”, I just replace it with “drugs”.
;D ;D ;D
Mate I am 50 mins in and am yet to hear him explain his body count! ???
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;D ;D ;D
Mate I am 50 mins in and am yet to hear him explain his body count! ???
He’s probably in denial like John “Inverted Nips” Romano in “Bigger Stronger Faster”. “Show me the bodies.”
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This is shaping up to be pretty interesting: Around the 50 min mark Chad starts discussing different anabolics and peptides, notes that he abhors synthol and has never encouraged SEO and always talks about AIs and the importance of not crashing E2 (unfortunately, I have heard of gurus trying to suppress E2 :()
Around 1:13:00 he starts addressing the "cause of death" of pros.
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How many times does Teh Chad have to say, "literally"? ::)
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Why would Kevin even fight him? Nothing wrong with him backing down since he didn’t even know what was happening, Chad admitted he was in the wrong and apologized to Kevin and acknowledged that Kevin didn’t even know what was going on when he approached him
It’s interesting that Flex and Dillett both told Nicholls that Levrone was taking about him at the Athletes meeting
And that Shawn himself said that Levrone wanted to “tear him a new one”.
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Not true, I was around in the late 90’s in SoCal, wheeler had beef here and there with Shawn but he didn’t dislike him, Chris looked up to Shawn, there was never any “real” hostility between them, shit talking here and there but never escalated to the point where there was real hate and that they were going to kill each other
Dorian I am not sure, he was never around, mainly in the east coast if he was in the state’s
Wheeler, with regularity, referee to Shawn as Shawanda or Shawnda
And Dorian couldn’t stand Ray after Ray said that Dorian was only good for guest posings (after Yates tore the bicep)
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It’s interesting that Flex and Dillett both told Nicholls that Levrone was taking about him at the Athletes meeting
And that Shawn himself said that Levrone wanted to “tear him a new one”.
Flex always came across as all mouth, what the fuck was all the Ninja shit about...
Of course hes going to report that Leverone backed down.. heres Flex in action
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Chad says that the "Death Cycle" was a shopping list written for Dallas (to be shared/split with another guy) by the coach AFTER Chad. Noted that the inclusion of EPO is a dead give-away... ;)
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Flex always came across as all mouth, what the fuck was all the Ninja shit about...
Of course hes going to report that Leverone backed down.. heres Flex in action
In all honesty, they all are probably all mouth. All of them.
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I'm 1/2 way in to this and its ok - but Patrick is going way too easy on this guy.
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;D ;D ;D
You'll be (un)surprised to hear Chad say that the hierarchy of importance is nutrition > training > genetics > drugs :o
”Drugs are like, literally, like the finishing touch.”
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;D ;D ;D
You'll be (un)surprised to hear Chad say that the hierarchy of importance is nutrition > training > genetics > drugs :o
The hierarchy is accurate.
Does Chad ever divulge his actual diet secrets? Is it some macro ratio, overall cals, timing, food sources??? If the secret is diet, what is this diet?
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The hierarchy is accurate.
Does Chad ever divulge his actual diet secrets? Is it some macro ratio, overall cals, timing, food sources??? If the secret is diet, what is this diet?
Im 3/4 in and nothing of the sort. Probably could cut off 20% of the time if they edited out the words literally and like
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Im 3/4 in and nothing of the sort. Probably could cut off 20% of the time if they edited out the words literally and like
I notice when people often use the word "literally" its very rarely used in the correct context
"She could be literally anywhere"
Could she be in outer space?
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The hierarchy is accurate.
Does Chad ever divulge his actual diet secrets? Is it some macro ratio, overall cals, timing, food sources??? If the secret is diet, what is this diet?
That's funny that you mentioned the word divulge. It immediately reminded me of an interview with Don Youngblood I read close to 18 years ago to the day, referring to Chad Nichols, and whether or not he divulges his diet secrets:
Ron Avidan: Any interesting diets when you train?
Don Youngblood: Chad Nichols does my diet, it gets a little interesting, but I do not divulge his diet information.
And if that was true in 2002, it's safe to say at this point, that Don and some of Chad's other athletes bodybuilders will never tell their tale. :-\
https://www.getbig.com/iview/youngblood020111.htm
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That's funny that you mentioned the word divulge. It immediately reminded me of an interview with Don Youngblood I read close to 18 years ago to the day, referring to Chad Nichols, and whether or not he divulges his diet secrets:
And if that was true in 2002, it's safe to say at this point, that Don and some of Chad's other athletes bodybuilders will never tell their tale. :-\
https://www.getbig.com/iview/youngblood020111.htm
esfitness style recall....
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600lbs of stupidity, with no signs of actual cerebral parenchyma.
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esfitness style recall....
Haha, thanks!
Meanwhile, at my parents house, I can't remember which kitchen cupboard contains the bowls and plates, and which contains the cups.
Now...that tells me something about my memory which fascinates me - how the FUCK do I remember that Don Youngblood used the word "divulge" with respect to Chad Nicholls' diet protocol in an interview that I read nearly two decades ago, yet keep forgetting which cupboard has plates/bowls versus cups at my parents' house when I've been here over a dozen times. It is a new home, but I've been here many times since November.
I think some people just have a certain type of memory. Which actually brings me to a point I made about Shawn vs. Chad in this thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=661547.0
^ Shawn reminds me of myself, in terms of memory...so I seem to doubt that Chad is recalling things correctly versus Shawn there.
I'm only 29 minutes in though, so I'll see how the rest of it goes:
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talking of memory matt
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That's funny that you mentioned the word divulge. It immediately reminded me of an interview with Don Youngblood I read close to 18 years ago to the day, referring to Chad Nichols, and whether or not he divulges his diet secrets:
And if that was true in 2002, it's safe to say at this point, that Don and some of Chad's other athletes bodybuilders will never tell their tale. :-\
https://www.getbig.com/iview/youngblood020111.htm
I figured that would be the case...
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I still think this video was lacking in so many ways.
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Chad’s favorite number is “300” for whatever reason
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I notice when people often use the word "literally" its very rarely used in the correct context
"She could be literally anywhere"
Could she be in outer space?
More often than not, you can subtract the word and the statement remains the same.
It's essentially been repurporsed as a word to imply emphasis - ala, using "fucking" as a preface to emphasise.
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Chad’s favorite number is “300” for whatever reason
And favorite word “literally”
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;D ;D ;D
You'll be (un)surprised to hear Chad say that the hierarchy of importance is nutrition > training > genetics > drugs :o
Disappointing.
I thought his clips were strong - he was forthright.
But he loses me saying that.
For most people, all 4 of those things are a constant requirement. Most can't succeed in professional bodybuilding without all of them.
To me, a balanced opinion is that drugs are equally as important as the rest. Genetics require no effort to maintain, the other 3 can be experimented and modified, but given their omnipresence, you can't say they are more important.
For some genetic freaks (dillet), training might be half optional but ignoring the outliers, I see no problem in a "guru" or person admitting that all 4 are of equal importance.
I remember Tom Prince and his "drugs are just the finishing touch" ::)
Right, okay Tom, drive a car with 3 of your 4 wheels. That's your finishing touch.
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Disappointing.
I thought his clips were strong - he was forthright.
But he loses me saying that.
For most people, all 4 of those things are a constant requirement. Most can't succeed in professional bodybuilding without all of them.
To me, a balanced opinion is that drugs are equally as important as the rest. Genetics require no effort to maintain, the other 3 can be experimented and modified, but given their omnipresence, you can't say they are more important.
For some genetic freaks (dillet), training might be half optional but ignoring the outliers, I see no problem in a "guru" or person admitting that all 4 are of equal importance.
I remember Tom Prince and his "drugs are just the finishing touch" ::)
Right, okay Tom, drive a car with 3 of your 4 wheels. That's your finishing touch.
Tom’s “finishing touch” involved paper bags and twinky Asian fuck boys
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Patrick needs to get more of these guys. I really wish he would have asked what he did w Ronnie and flex etc diet wise to get them where they got etc.
A lot of wasted time imho.
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And favorite word “literally”
"Like, literally".
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wonder what he is paying these guys?
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wonder what he is paying these guys?
Do you mean how much Chad is paying Ronnie and Flex to sing his praises? I think they genuinely mean it.
Or did you mean Patrick Bet-David? If so, I was wondering that myself. I suspect he pays for their flight and hotel, and maybe a per-diem. His show seems to be very successful. He was in a YouTube ad where he lit $10,000 on fire. ;D The camera cut to a closeup of him for a second, and maybe he stopped the video during that time to stomp out the fire. :D Or maybe he threw the burning bills into a bucket of water, and edited the sound. In Canada, the banks will take the money back if a certain percentage of it isn't destroyed.
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Chad says that the "Death Cycle" was a shopping list written for Dallas (to be shared/split with another guy) by the coach AFTER Chad. Noted that the inclusion of EPO is a dead give-away... ;)
Actually, the TUDCA really gives it away too... I've already seen people calling out Jansen over this since the episode dropped yesterday.
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And favorite word “literally”
I have never heard anyone say that word so many times unless it was a “she”
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And favorite word “literally”
And "basically," followed closely by "I'll never forget it."
Pretty good interview, though. He countered Shawn's points and didn't badmouth him.
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And favorite word “literally”
The preferred word of Miami chongas
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Let’s assess this interview from Chad’s perspective.
The events being discussed are from over 20 years ago. It sounds like Chad settled any lingering drama years ago (making peace with Levrone).
Now he has to defend himself again because Shawn Ray wants some attention. Chad is probably pissed off, but he is trying to remain calm on camera.
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Disappointing.
I thought his clips were strong - he was forthright.
But he loses me saying that.
For most people, all 4 of those things are a constant requirement. Most can't succeed in professional bodybuilding without all of them.
To me, a balanced opinion is that drugs are equally as important as the rest. Genetics require no effort to maintain, the other 3 can be experimented and modified, but given their omnipresence, you can't say they are more important.
For some genetic freaks (dillet), training might be half optional but ignoring the outliers, I see no problem in a "guru" or person admitting that all 4 are of equal importance.
I remember Tom Prince and his "drugs are just the finishing touch" ::)
Right, okay Tom, drive a car with 3 of your 4 wheels. That's your finishing touch.
I think that Chad wanted to avoid Shawn Ray in the 1990’s because Shawn had a reputation for having a big mouth.
Shawn Ray might not have trained as hard as Ronnie, but Shawn did train hard. Chad probably didn’t want A big mouth in his camp. It wasn’t worth the extra drama.
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Dave Palumbo's analysis of the Dallas McCarver death cycle. ;D
I'm reminded of that redundant cycle by Andreas Munzer. If anyone used that much gear and cutting agents - I imagine that Munzer would have, but apparently he had that cycle written down on his person because he was selling gear, and wanted to claim personal use in case he was busted.
Pro bodybuilders remove their breast glands to prevent from getting gyno? I've never heard that one before - does anyone know how long that procedure has been being done?
LOL!!!!! @ what Dave says at 10:47. ;D ;D ;D
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I'd never really read or paid any attention to the death cycle - but having watched that Palumbo analysis - and not having watched Chad's comments on it, can it be confirmed that he actually said it was a shopping list? Like how does that even work with the fact there appear to be dosages stipulated?
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Dave Palumbo's analysis of the Dallas McCarver death cycle. ;D
I'm reminded of that redundant cycle by Andreas Munzer. If anyone used that much gear and cutting agents - I imagine that Munzer would have, but apparently he had that cycle written down on his person because he was selling gear, and wanted to claim personal use in case he was busted.
Pro bodybuilders remove their breast glands to prevent from getting gyno? I've never heard that one before - does anyone know how long that procedure has been being done?
LOL!!!!! @ what Dave says at 10:47. ;D ;D ;D
I think the Munzer cycle was likely legit. Modern pro have done worse. And lets not forget his liver was full pf tumors and his heart was double the size. Dallas most likely used a lot more. Especially things like tren, gh and insulin.
Didn't watch the video but they are probably talking about a simple gyno surgery. It can be done couple of ways, one where the whole gland is removed, but this has a biggger chance of causing some cosmetic problems from what I understand. But you aren't likely to get new gyno if everything was removed.
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I'd never really read or paid any attention to the death cycle - but having watched that Palumbo analysis - and not having watched Chad's comments on it, can it be confirmed that he actually said it was a shopping list? Like how does that even work with the fact there appear to be dosages stipulated?
Didn't watch but let's say it's a "real" document - I think that being a shopping list for 2 people is ridiculous. I think Milos said something similar about Munzer's cycle. When he knows goddamn well many people have done plenty more. And he knows these people.
Chad says a lot of strange things, like amateurs abuse tren, not pros, but then says many pros use 3cc a day. Which is it? Gotta watch the whole thing...
Chad also said he didn't use plasma expanders on anyone back in the day. Yet Milos got the idea from Chad and Nasser. Which Chad then says was just a practical joke on Milos :D
Chad said something about Wheeler's FSGS having nothing to do with bodybuilding. I have my doubts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
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Didn't watch but let's say it's a "real" document - I think that being a shopping list for 2 people is ridiculous. I think Milos said something similar about Munzer's cycle. When he knows goddamn well many people have done plenty more. And he knows these people.
Chad says a lot of strange things, like amateurs abuse tren, not pros, but then says many pros use 3cc a day. Which is it? Gotta watch the whole thing...
Chad also said he didn't use plasma expanders on anyone back in the day. Yet Milos got the idea from Chad and Nasser. Which Chad then says was just a practical joke on Milos :D
Chad said something about Wheeler's FSGS having nothing to do with bodybuilding. I have my doubts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
LOL!!! Were you the one who found that NCBI link, Van_Bilderass?
If yes, thank you for raising awareness. It seee[[
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LOL!!! Were you the one who found that NCBI link, Van_Bilderass?
If yes, thank you for raising awareness. It seee[[
I remembered it just now, I had seen it a long time ago. I guess there's many reasons to blame it all on genetics or chance. It's even possible that some doctors don't make the link to steroids as they might be unaware, perhaps never dealt with lots of steroid users.
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Didn't watch but let's say it's a "real" document - I think that being a shopping list for 2 people is ridiculous. I think Milos said something similar about Munzer's cycle. When he knows goddamn well many people have done plenty more. And he knows these people.
Chad says a lot of strange things, like amateurs abuse tren, not pros, but then says many pros use 3cc a day. Which is it? Gotta watch the whole thing...
Chad also said he didn't use plasma expanders on anyone back in the day. Yet Milos got the idea from Chad and Nasser. Which Chad then says was just a practical joke on Milos :D
Chad said something about Wheeler's FSGS having nothing to do with bodybuilding. I have my doubts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
As per usual, great post Van Bilderass. Here is the takeaway from that study for inept GetBiggers incapable of reading scientific literature, whilst firmly clutching the erroneous understanding that AAS outright has no casual relationship with FSGS.
"In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS."[/b]
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Shawn Ray drops the hammer in Chad Nicholls here.
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Dave Palumbo's analysis of the Dallas McCarver death cycle. ;D
I'm reminded of that redundant cycle by Andreas Munzer. If anyone used that much gear and cutting agents - I imagine that Munzer would have, but apparently he had that cycle written down on his person because he was selling gear, and wanted to claim personal use in case he was busted.
Pro bodybuilders remove their breast glands to prevent from getting gyno? I've never heard that one before - does anyone know how long that procedure has been being done?
LOL!!!!! @ what Dave says at 10:47. ;D ;D ;D
No shit Palumbo, the drugs did kill dallas. No sense denying that factor
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Pro bodybuilders remove their breast glands to prevent from getting gyno? I've never heard that one before - does anyone know how long that procedure has been being done?
I had it done in 93
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