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The Holy Grail of Bodybuilding?
TRENBOLONE
Explained!!! Why I won’t use it ever again!!!
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Makes a lot of valid points. It also illustrates the insanity of bodybuilding. His voice is like chalk on a blackboard. After 5 minutes I wanted to put an ice pick in my eye.
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Why won't he use it ever again?
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Are you on Greg's marketing team?
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Makes a lot of valid points. It also illustrates the insanity of bodybuilding. His voice is like chalk on a blackboard. After 5 minutes I wanted to put an ice pick in my eye.
In your EYE??? or in your EARS???...LOL
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Are you on Greg's marketing team?
Noooooooo... But I think the guy makes a lot of good points and gives good information.
Yes, I know his voice tears at everyone's eardrum (lol), but tolerate it and take his message in... GOOD STUFF
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Why won't he use it ever again?
He explained all of the nasty side effects in the video from hair loss to Anger Issues to permanent hormone disruption...
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He explained all of the nasty side effects in the video from hair loss to Anger Issues to permanent hormone disruption...
he says hes on 140mg test
k brah
he's an annoying loudmouth idiot
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TRENBOLOGNA
SPAGHETTI TRENBOLOGNESE
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he says hes on 140mg test
k brah
he's an annoying loudmouth idiot
I heard when he said he was on TRT, my comment was about TREN, which he said he would never do again based upon how it made him feel, negative physical effects as well as it is a hormone for animals not humans.
I don't see him as an idiot or loudmouth (in the dumb sense), yes he has the Gilbert Gottfried thing going on, but his info is GREAT!!!!
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I heard when he said he was on TRT, my comment was about TREN, which he said he would never do again based upon how it made him feel, negative physical effects as well as it is a hormone for animals not humans.
I don't see him as an idiot or loudmouth (in the dumb sense), yes he has the Gilbert Gottfried thing going on, but his info is GREAT!!!!
Nothing about him is great. He's a buffoon midget married to a monstrosity of a woman taller and heavier than him.
Discount his every word. He probably even likes Trump ::)
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people take 700mg to 1000mg a week; of it and its insane - that is why... keep the doses sane
25mg to 50mg daily is sufficient for crazy good gains
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he pumps out the videos for sure... he has no entertainment factor imho (sits in his living room..) i cannot deny he has a bunch of followers....
hence why I loved Piana and Calum - they had quality youtube content..... the best juice tips are 20 years old... aint nothin new.... same stuff i read on the forums in 2003 (when i got online) still applies to today
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Good drug for speeding up hair loss.
Fast way to become one of those it's only only hair bro lifters
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Noooooooo... But I think the guy makes a lot of good points and gives good information.
Yes, I know his voice tears at everyone's eardrum (lol), but tolerate it and take his message in... GOOD STUFF
It's you, isn't it? Must be!
No one can bear this fucking crap. 2 sec, top.
You can get this info anywhere x1000 but better. Please stop
Sorry man
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he pumps out the videos for sure... he has no entertainment factor imho (sits in his living room..) i cannot deny he has a bunch of followers....
hence why I loved Piana and Calum - they had quality youtube content..... the best juice tips are 20 years old... aint nothin new.... same stuff i read on the forums in 2003 (when i got online) still applies to today
Tips might be 20+ years old, but remember these tips were addressing the then 15 to 20+ year olds
Twenty years later they are in their mid thirties and forties and a new generation are reading mags, asking questions and looking at these videos... SO IT IS NEW INFO TO THEM.
Hence the need to constantly repeat information
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TRENBOLOGNA
SPAGHETTI TRENBOLOGNESE
AND INSULINA ;D
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I heard when he said he was on TRT, my comment was about TREN, which he said he would never do again based upon how it made him feel, negative physical effects as well as it is a hormone for animals not humans.
I don't see him as an idiot or loudmouth (in the dumb sense), yes he has the Gilbert Gottfried thing going on, but his info is GREAT!!!!
I can't watch it since I could only take 5 seconds of the other video you posted.
But from what you said here I can almost guarantee he is full of shit. First, it doesn't matter if it was mostly marketed for animals, doesn't necessarily say anything at all about its utility in humans. Lots of reasons for why it was only a human drug in France which do not necessarily have anything to do with safety or whatever.
Yes it's harsh, yes it fucks with your mind. But it's so effective that guys will reach for it despite all the sides when they feel the need to look their best, for example when this fella sits in a tank top screaming on youtube :D
You say he's on 140mg TRT? Sure, he's seen that this type of HRT is popular now so that's what he's claiming. Soon he will talk about 10mg of test a day. He may even do exactly that for a period. But the thing is, merely good or healthy is not good enough, you want great results and 140mg ain't gonna cut it.
Tren disrupts your hormone system? Who cares, this guy is never getting off steroids so it doesn't matter.
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people take 700mg to 1000mg a week; of it and its insane - that is why... keep the doses sane
25mg to 50mg daily is sufficient for crazy good gains
You're right. Though I heard some guys here say 1500mg a week is perfect. Almost makes me think they are lying, you almost need plenty of weed and benzos to make life tolerable on that kind of dosage :D
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Wow, "Gregg" is aging like a bag of smashed assholes. Must be that wife of his, and the sun abuse over the years.
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You're right. Though I heard some guys here say 1500mg a week is perfect. Almost makes me think they are lying, you almost need plenty of weed and benzos to make life tolerable on that kind of dosage :D
I doubt you could get a doctor to prescribe this high a dose. These folks are most likely buying their gear from unreliable sources. Who knows what they are actually getting?
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Tren is fantastic... Love tren, it's the best, always will be!
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Greggs last cycle was not too long ago, so he is blasting and cruising at the very least.
His know it all attitude is getting out of control lately. He wasn't like this before but I guess since his view count increase and the new client amount has maxed out, its really inflating his ego.
Saw a video from one of his clients. Gregg literally calls him stupid when responding to a question etc..he calls most of clients retarded. I wouldn't be paying a guy 500 dollars a month to talk to me that way but I guess some guys get off on that.
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This guy is a fucking idiot.. Why would anyone take his advices anyway.
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Even if I were into drugs out side of my 1/2 CC a week TRT dose, Tren would not be on the list.
Those sides sound insane. The insomnia alone, not thanks...
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The mental effects of tren are the worst, I never had insomnia.
You get different in the head, maybe even slightly paranoid in an aggressive way... Hard to describe most I ran was 500 mgs tren ace a week, and no way I could tolerate more than that. 350 mgs wasn't that bad, 500 you start tripping. I don't know how the fuck someone like Dallas mccarver could run 2000mgs that's totally insane.....
The gains are fantastic, far better than any other steroid out there.
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Makes a lot of valid points. It also illustrates the insanity of bodybuilding. His voice is like chalk on a blackboard. After 5 minutes I wanted to put an ice pick in my eye.
The very essence of the sport is drugs/phoniness...
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I doubt you could get a doctor to prescribe this high a dose. These folks are most likely buying their gear from unreliable sources. Who knows what they are actually getting?
All tren comes from the black market, hence there is always uncertainty. I have sampled maybe 20-30 underground labs tren over the years and all have been "real" though the exact dosage is a bit harder to know. But you can almost immediately tell if you are taking tren and not something else. So there is a lot of it around.
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The mental effects of tren are the worst, I never had insomnia.
You get different in the head, maybe even slightly paranoid in an aggressive way... Hard to describe most I ran was 500 mgs tren ace a week, and no way I could tolerate more than that. 350 mgs wasn't that bad, 500 you start tripping. I don't know how the fuck someone like Dallas mccarver could run 2000mgs that's totally insane.....
The gains are fantastic, far better than any other steroid out there.
The mental effects are real. Sometimes they can feel kind of subtle and at other times they are really pronounced. A lot of times I thought "this is not worth it" yet I still continued on. ::) :D Others have told me they feel like they can't stand to be in their bodies on the stuff :D
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people take 700mg to 1000mg a week; of it and its insane - that is why... keep the doses sane
25mg to 50mg daily is sufficient for crazy good gains
I ran 30 mgs daily with good results
Then I dropped it down to 15 mgs daily and got nothing
I've run it as high as 70 mgs daily but 30.mgs is good enough ime
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Never had an issue with it (except probably internally) and everyone I know that do not go on internet forums haven't really had anything extraordinary in terms of its sides to speak about.
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So tren is a veterinarian steroid like Equipose and Winstrol V?. I think the later two are for horses and is tren for cattle?
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like most PEDs its dose dependent...
greg takes a ton of gear for his size & age imho
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Teh Chad on Tren " a harsh drug " " It could destroy your body " starts at 57:13
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Depends on the person and doses. I didn’t use it until the last 8weeks at 50mg EOD. That was plenty. Got more aggressive, got the cough (right after injection) but nothing like you guys are describing. But the last 2 weeks prior to the show I upped it to 50mg ED along with Halo. Add in the Halo + Tren + Diet and I got set off pretty good
Won’t go back to Tren until 8 weeks out this time as well. None during the off-season
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Never had an issue with it (except probably internally) and everyone I know that do not go on internet forums haven't really had anything extraordinary in terms of its sides to speak about.
I hear what you're saying, expectations can definitely affect your perceived sides. But I still feel the mental effects are very real. I used some Negma Parabolan before I ever got on the internet and it triggered panic attacks from hell, and I never had them before the tren. I've gone on and off it many times and it always affects my mental state, mostly negatively. Then you have the guys who claim they aren't feeling any mental sides but others notice it. One longtime training partner recently tried tren for the first time and said he felt nothing from it, neither sides nor gains, only some fat loss. But he was acting like a total jackass and it was not just me who noticed it :D
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I hear what you're saying, expectations can definitely affect your perceived sides. But I still feel the mental effects are very real. I used some Negma Parabolan before I ever got on the internet and it triggered panic attacks from hell, and I never had them before the tren. I've gone on and off it many times and it always affects my mental state, mostly negatively. Then you have the guys who claim they aren't feeling any mental sides but others notice it. One longtime training partner recently tried tren for the first time and said he felt nothing from it, neither sides nor gains, only some fat loss. But he was acting like a total jackass and it was not just me who noticed it :D
Did you run.the original parabolan 2 or 3 times a week?
Everyone seems to say that 3 times a week was the most anyone could handle, and most just ran it twice a week, 76 mgs per inject
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Did you run.the original parabolan 2 or 3 times a week?
Everyone seems to say that 3 times a week was the most anyone could handle, and most just ran it twice a week, 76 mgs per inject
I just took 1 per week for a short period of time. Had to stop due to the anxiety.
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Teh Chad on Tren " a harsh drug " " It could destroy your body " starts at 57:13
Watched a bit from the 57 mark and I'm not impressed. :D
He gets the question about whether noncompetitors should use gear. He says he's against it but then recommends prohormones. That's when I had to stop watching. Wtf ::) Prohormones is pretty much a made up term in this context. What he's saying is don't use steroids but use these other steroids instead ::)
Lots of balonie and misdirection in general. Like he only had 1 or 2 athletes who used Synthol against his advice. What a bunch of crap, basically all his pro clients used it. Balonie about insulin as well. Everyone that uses a lot of it gets fat, it stops working etc. All balonie - all his pro clients used a lot of it. It doesn't stop working. Yes, you can develop more resistance but it doesn't stop working like that. If 15iu did nothing for their BG level it means insulin is doing nothing and they would be dead within hours.
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The mental effects of tren are the worst, I never had insomnia.
You get different in the head, maybe even slightly paranoid in an aggressive way... Hard to describe most I ran was 500 mgs tren ace a week, and no way I could tolerate more than that. 350 mgs wasn't that bad, 500 you start tripping. I don't know how the fuck someone like Dallas mccarver could run 2000mgs that's totally insane.....
The gains are fantastic, far better than any other steroid out there.
I’ve ran over a gram a week and was an absolute madman.
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Even if I were into drugs out side of my 1/2 CC a week TRT dose, Tren would not be on the list.
Those sides sound insane. The insomnia alone, not thanks...
no need for it. if you are a weekend warrior, just take TRT and pepper in some anavar and you will be happy as can be
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I’ve ran over a gram a week and was an absolute madman.
lol I dunno how you could handle that ... what were you experiencing sides wise at that dose?
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no need for it. if you are a weekend warrior, just take TRT and pepper in some anavar and you will be happy as can be
I'm trying to get ahold of some trestolone/MENT. I want to know if the hype is real and if it agrees with me. Maybe see if it could function as a Super-HRT at maybe 10-20mg test with 5-10 trest per day. Who here has taken it?
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lol I dunno how you could handle that ... what were you experiencing sides wise at that dose?
The usual. Night sweats, aggression, paranoia, it really did a number on my mental health. I’ve used it off and on for well over a decade. Ended a lot of relationships and have been questioned by the police on at least three occasions. It was worth it though. :D
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All tren comes from the black market, hence there is always uncertainty. I have sampled maybe 20-30 underground labs tren over the years and all have been "real" though the exact dosage is a bit harder to know. But you can almost immediately tell if you are taking tren and not something else. So there is a lot of it around.
Parabolan - Negma 76mg 1.5ml
I’d sure like to see anyone try take 10ml of that a week
Let alone 20ml for 1420mg a week - See How that would work out.
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I'm trying to get ahold of some trestolone/MENT. I want to know if the hype is real and if it agrees with me. Maybe see if it could function as a Super-HRT at maybe 10-20mg test with 5-10 trest per day. Who here has taken it?
Just started using it about a month ago.
Very Good.
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Parabolan - Negma 76mg 1.5ml
I’d sure like to see anyone try take 10ml of that a week
Let alone 20ml for 1420mg a week - See How that would work out.
Do you feel the Negma was extra special in some way? Sure it hit me hard but I was a teen noob. I could handle the Alpha Pharma Para copy and other UG Hex at high dose. Many feel some old legendary steroids had a special magic to them but don't take into account that they were younger and more sensitive to steroids back then.
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Do you feel the Negma was extra special in some way? Sure it hit me hard but I was a teen noob. I could handle the Alpha Pharma Para copy and other UG Hex at high dose. Many feel some old legendary steroids had a special magic to them but don't take into account that they were younger and more sensitive to steroids back then.
I was in my late 20’s and my training Partner at that time was 10 yrs older and a Mr Britain / Europe / Universe Winner So hardly youngsters or Newbies & we had fantastic gains all round on 1 Every 4/5 days.
Dorian even spoke about not going above 3 shots a week as it was to much for him.
We never got any Tren cough Either.
I know for certain neither I or my training partner would’ve or could’ve handled 10 shots a week. 🙄
Let alone 20+ !!!
Also there was Zero Need to Try.
I firmly believe these insane amounts being used are because the quality & potency of UG is Largely Crap.
I mean 50mg anavar & Stromba tabs 🙄 the originals were 2.5 & 2 milligrams each.
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I was in my late 20’s and my training Partner at that time was 10 yrs older and a Mr Britain / Europe / Universe Winner So hardly youngsters or Newbies & we had fantastic gains all round on 1 Every 4/5 days.
Dorian even spoke about not going above 3 shots a week as it was to much for him.
We never got any Tren cough Either.
I know for certain neither I or my training partner would’ve or could’ve handled 10 shots a week. 🙄
Let alone 20+ !!!
Also there was Zero Need to Try.
I firmly believe these insane amounts being used are because the quality & potency of UG is Largely Crap.
I mean 50mg anavar & Stromba tabs 🙄 the originals were 2.5 & 2 milligrams each.
100% agree^
All the ugl shit is way under dosed....
That's why everybody's running grams and grams, these days compared to old, really they're not....
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I was in my late 20’s and my training Partner at that time was 10 yrs older and a Mr Britain / Europe / Universe Winner So hardly youngsters or Newbies & we had fantastic gains all round on 1 Every 4/5 days.
Dorian even spoke about not going above 3 shots a week as it was to much for him.
We never got any Tren cough Either.
I know for certain neither I or my training partner would’ve or could’ve handled 10 shots a week. 🙄
Let alone 20+ !!!
Also there was Zero Need to Try.
I firmly believe these insane amounts being used are because the quality & potency of UG is Largely Crap.
I mean 50mg anavar & Stromba tabs 🙄 the originals were 2.5 & 2 milligrams each.
I used a ton of legit Zambon 2mg tabs as well as the injects and I thought it sucked, didn't really get anything out of it. It's not that the gear was bad, it was quality, but stanozolol was just a weak drug for me. I've personally had fantastic results with some UG drugs when compared with the pharma equivalent - and often it seemed like the UGL was better. For example Anapolon/Androlic/Oxybolone compared to some Chinese UGL drol. Same with the testosterones, Decas and what have you. The problem with UGLs is that there is no assurance they are always correctly dosed but there are very real drugs on the UGL black market.
That Dorian says he wouldn't have been able to handle more than 225mg of tren a week doesn't mean there is no "real" tren made in Chinese labs, or that the Negma Para was somehow many times more potent. UGL tren can be rough going too as anyone who has used it knows.
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100% agree^
All the ugl shit is way under dosed....
That's why everybody's running grams and grams, these days compared to old, really they're not....
It's factually incorrect to say it's ALL underdosed. UGL gear has been tested in labs all over the world, sometimes even by governments as they are trying to build cases against drug dealers. So there is data available. Sometimes they are even way overdosed.
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It's factually incorrect to say it's ALL underdosed. UGL gear has been tested in labs all over the world, sometimes even by governments as they are trying to build cases against drug dealers. So there is data available. Sometimes they are even way overdosed.
I didn't say it was "all" under dosed I said "way" underdosed....
Even if I did it doesn't matter, it's a generalisation and shouldn't beaten literally. The statement is to highlight the fact that the great majority of ugl gear is under dosed to some degree, with a lot being greatly under-dosed.
imo half dosages of the stated mgs are not uncommon by any means.
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I used a ton of legit Zambon 2mg tabs as well as the injects and I thought it sucked, didn't really get anything out of it. It's not that the gear was bad, it was quality, but stanozolol was just a weak drug for me. I've personally had fantastic results with some UG drugs when compared with the pharma equivalent - and often it seemed like the UGL was better. For example Anapolon/Androlic/Oxybolone compared to some Chinese UGL drol. Same with the testosterones, Decas and what have you. The problem with UGLs is that there is no assurance they are always correctly dosed but there are very real drugs on the UGL black market.
That Dorian says he wouldn't have been able to handle more than 225mg of tren a week doesn't mean there is no "real" tren made in Chinese labs, or that the Negma Para was somehow many times more potent. UGL tren can be rough going too as anyone who has used it knows.
Exactly where did I say there is
1, No decent quality UG Steroids around
2, or That Dorian meant there was no decent UG Tren Made
The problem with the UGL is Quality control & Quality of the raw ingredients.
Go Buy a Bentley/ Aston Martin & compare the Quality of comparable parts
I.E Brake Calipers / Leather / Engine Castings - Do you think there would be no difference?
Let alone Comparing with after market cheap Chinese pattern parts.
Yeah the 1000/ 2000 mgs a week it Tren Physiques About in any Big Busy Gym you go to
Look so Good. Well Not that I See & I Also Judge For NABBA.
Are The Physiques on the Olympia stage Better Quality Than that of late 80’s & 90’s -
No they are Not - They should be with these 1000/2000 mg a week of Tren.
We’re all pretty much forced to buy UG Gear - Finding a Reasonable Quality one is difficult
For many depending on area & Contacts.
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I didn't say it was "all" under dosed I said "way" underdosed....
Even if I did it doesn't matter, it's a generalisation and shouldn't beaten literally. The statement is to highlight the fact that the great majority of ugl gear is under dosed to some degree, with a lot being greatly under-dosed.
imo half dosages of the stated mgs are not uncommon by any means.
This x2
And Quality of Raw ingredients & Manufacturing process.
One of the more common tricks is to just use Test Propionate or Cyp
For all products as the user will get a boost out of them & they’re cheap
Compounds to buy.
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Tren is one of the easiest to pick, you know if you have at least some legit tren....
As for others yeah I think there is a lot of faking with cheaper compounds, equipoise is almost always faked with test imo...
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I would never take steroids
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I would never take steroids
Really - Not even if you were in Hospital & your Life Depended On them administering
Steroids to you ?
Do you eat Farm Produced Meats ?
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250IU x2/week HCG
18-30 mg tren ace/day
400mg drostanolone enanthate/week (prevents too much progesterone binding)
50mg mesterolone/day for a healthy D.Cheney
wash hair 2xweek with Nizoral (leave in hair for 10 min) that contains a topical anti-androgen to prevent hair loss
20mg nolva/day for 5 weeks post cycle
not too many issues with sides, great lean gains
oh yeah, and fuck Cheney!
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250IU x2/week HCG
18-30 mg tren ace/day
400mg drostanolone enanthate/week (prevents too much progesterone binding)
50mg mesterolone/day for a healthy D.Cheney
wash hair 2xweek with Nizoral (leave in hair for 10 min) that contains a topical anti-androgen to prevent hair loss
20mg nolva/day for 5 weeks post cycle
not too many issues with sides, great lean gains
oh yeah, and fuck Cheney!
Sounds ok
And Your Happy with Results - That’s the Main Thing.
All without going to huge amounts - Good for You.
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I didn't say it was "all" under dosed I said "way" underdosed....
Even if I did it doesn't matter, it's a generalisation and shouldn't beaten literally. The statement is to highlight the fact that the great majority of ugl gear is under dosed to some degree, with a lot being greatly under-dosed.
imo half dosages of the stated mgs are not uncommon by any means.
Yeah alright. It's just that there is this belief among some that it's impossible to source quality raw material that is equivalent to the "real thing". The labs aren't very reliable and there is always uncertainty when dealing with the illegal black market.
I've seen some oldtimerss here claim that as a matter of fact all UGL steroids are nothing but watered down test.
I even remember Craig Titus saying that there is absolutely no real trenbolone available anywhere. This was back when people were using Finaplix. He was basically saying it was not trenbolone.
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There are lots of good UG raws, etc.
I can say that strangely enough the pellets seemed to work better then the raw powder, though.
Ran up to 150mg/day of pellets. Raws I have done as much as 300mg/day. That original raw source was maybe not as good but seemed to be the case with all I've tried when it has come to Tren, though. Never use it anymore so the powders I know nowadays that are good may be comparable to the pellets.
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Exactly where did I say there is
1, No decent quality UG Steroids around
2, or That Dorian meant there was no decent UG Tren Made
The problem with the UGL is Quality control & Quality of the raw ingredients.
Go Buy a Bentley/ Aston Martin & compare the Quality of comparable parts
I.E Brake Calipers / Leather / Engine Castings - Do you think there would be no difference?
Let alone Comparing with after market cheap Chinese pattern parts.
Yeah the 1000/ 2000 mgs a week it Tren Physiques About in any Big Busy Gym you go to
Look so Good. Well Not that I See & I Also Judge For NABBA.
Are The Physiques on the Olympia stage Better Quality Than that of late 80’s & 90’s -
No they are Not - They should be with these 1000/2000 mg a week of Tren.
We’re all pretty much forced to buy UG Gear - Finding a Reasonable Quality one is difficult
For many depending on area & Contacts.
Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. IIRC you are in the UK or Ireland? For example Jordan Peters saying that for example every UGL Primo he has had tested contained the real hormone, and Primo is prime canditate for being the wrong hormone due to the price. Also that there area lot of "real" drugs in that part of the world due to location and laws and so on.
Most people look like shit. Real drugs don't necessarily mean great physiques. Back in Arnold's day everything was real but even many of the top physiques looked "natural" by today's standards on those prime drugs. Let me see if I can find a few pics to illustrate my point...
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I used tren E @ 250mg's per week for 10 weeks. I fortunately didn't experience any negative sides. But, it was obvious to anyone who knew me or saw me regularly that I was doing something. It is a game changer. I'll never do it again being that I'm closing in on 47 and doubt the sacred thong is in the cards.
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Raws I have done as much as 300mg/day.
Holy hell, even if the tren was absolute shit at 50% purity that's a lot of tren :D
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I ran it about 15 years ago when in college. I front loaded a cycle with it for the first six weeks, at 75mg EOD. I made it from Finaplex H tabs I bought from Southern States Ag store. Bought the kit off line and made the shit myself. I can say, I was never stronger, and actually got weaker the last four weeks of my cycle when I stopped it even though I added Winstrol. It beat my libido to death and gave me a small bit of gyno in one pec. I’m never super cut so it’s not noticeable but I can feel it.
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Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. IIRC you are in the UK or Ireland? For example Jordan Peters saying that for example every UGL Primo he has had tested contained the real hormone, and Primo is prime canditate for being the wrong hormone due to the price. Also that there area lot of "real" drugs in that part of the world due to location and laws and so on.
Most people look like shit. Real drugs don't necessarily mean great physiques. Back in Arnold's day everything was real but even many of the top physiques looked "natural" by today's standards on those prime drugs. Let me see if I can find a few pics to illustrate my point...
I’m in England & Have access to some Decent UG Gear.
Forget finding any pics - as there’s always been sub par Physiques
With or without UG / Pharma Gear.
This 2000mgs a week of Tren really Dosent Seem To be Building all these
Huge quality Physiques - I visit many gyms & many are taking huge amounts.
So we can surmise it’s not huge amounts of Gear that is working for the Vast Majority
- Well certainly not the Majority I see.
Pherhaps they Need To Take 5000mgs a Week of Quality UG Tren for it to work - Who Knows.
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I’m in England & Have access to some Decent UG Gear.
Forget finding any pics - as there’s always been sub par Physiques
With or without UG / Pharma Gear.
This 2000mgs a week of Tren really Dosent Seem To be Building all these
Huge quality Physiques - I visit many gyms & many are taking huge amounts.
So we can surmise it’s not huge amounts of Gear that is working for the Vast Majority
- Well certainly not the Majority I see.
Pherhaps they Need To Take 5000mgs a Week of Quality UG Tren for it to work - Who Knows.
Couldn’t imagine anyone on 2000mg of tren. I know winning pros who are are on less than 3grms for their total cycle. I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m saying that’s insane.
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Couldn’t imagine anyone on 2000mg of tren. I know winning pros who are are on less than 3grms for their total cycle. I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m saying that’s insane.
That’s my point - I couldn’t imagine anyone on 1500/2000mgs of Pharmaceutical grade Tren ( Parabolan)
Though we often here of those amounts of Tren & Certainly of 1000mgs + a week being banded about on this board & on Internet & (for me ) in some of the Gyms I Visit.
And we have some saying UG Gear is as good if not better than Pharma Quality,
That’s where I disagree - Though as always I could be Wrong.
This Excessive More is Better seems to have taken over many many Minds.
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Couldn’t imagine anyone on 2000mg of tren. I know winning pros who are are on less than 3grms for their total cycle. I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m saying that’s insane.
I think two grams of tren is insane....
The only reason I mention that dose is that is what i was told as a number for Dallas, along with his ten grams off test that we can figure from the bloods. The guy that mentioned that dose is reliable so it could be true ( not saying it is, as who really knows what someone's taking) but still.
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Couldn’t imagine anyone on 2000mg of tren. I know winning pros who are are on less than 3grms for their total cycle. I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m saying that’s insane.
I think two grams of tren is insane....
The only reason I mention that dose is that is what i was told as a number for Dallas, along with his ten grams off test that we can figure from the bloods. The guy that mentioned that dose is reliable so it could be true ( not saying it is, as who really knows what someone's taking) but still.
That’s my point - I couldn’t imagine anyone on 1500/2000mgs of Pharmaceutical grade Tren ( Parabolan)
Though we often here of those amounts of Tren & Certainly of 1000mgs + a week being banded about on this board & on Internet & (for me ) in some of the Gyms I Visit.
And we have some saying UG Gear is as good if not better than Pharma Quality,
That’s where I disagree - Though as always I could be Wrong.
This Excessive More is Better seems to have taken over many many Minds.
There was a thread a few years ago on another forum where Dallas McCarver's old coach was discussed, the O'Reagan gaylord. Some who had been coached by him also participated. Apparently he recommended something like 400mg of tren acetate every other day, on top of everything else of course, and these guys were still low level amateurs.
But common sense tells us that there is a point of diminishing returns with gear as well as a point where it starts being outright counterproductive due to toxic sides. You lose your appetite, get very lethargic (very common with tren, can't sleep but feel very tired all the time), laboured breathing due to what tren does to your cardio/lungs and so on.
As far as Dallas blood level at the time of death, I think it's probably hard to extrapolate his weekly dosage accurately from that. The blood levels could be affected by hydration level, individual metabolism, the type of product used (say a large test base or suspension shot could give some wild numbers shorty after injection).
And what is pharma gear exactly anyway? If some lab is legally registered in some third world country but the whole operation is about putting product into the black market, can you trust it like a you would a western pharmaceutical company who tries hard to keep their product out of the black market? Or if you get compounded gear via prescription from some shady us HRT clinic, do you think it will be just as good as a legit Schering product from a western pharmacy? I think it very well could be but maybe not always. In some instances UGL gear could seem extra potent since some labs have intentionally overdosed their gear to get a good reputation. Even back when IP started the whole UGL scene, I remember some of his Winstrol tabs coming back as overdosed whereas other products sometimes were underdosed or even had the wrong compound.
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for the average gymgoer, are the tren mental sides even worth it?
I remember taking 1ml 3 times a week and everyday at work (in my head) was like this
it's better to stick to gear that'll keep you happy and loving life. Like test, dbol, winny (if your hair can hack it) and var
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There was a thread a few years ago on another forum where Dallas McCarver's old coach was discussed, the O'Reagan gaylord. Some who had been coached by him also participated. Apparently he recommended something like 400mg of tren acetate every other day, on top of everything else of course, and these guys were still low level amateurs.
But common sense tells us that there is a point of diminishing returns with gear as well as a point where it starts being outright counterproductive due to toxic sides. You lose your appetite, get very lethargic (very common with tren, can't sleep but feel very tired all the time), laboured breathing due to what tren does to your cardio/lungs and so on.
As far as Dallas blood level at the time of death, I think it's probably hard to extrapolate his weekly dosage accurately from that. The blood levels could be affected by hydration level, individual metabolism, the type of product used (say a large test base or suspension shot could give some wild numbers shorty after injection).
And what is pharma gear exactly anyway? If some lab is legally registered in some third world country but the whole operation is about putting product into the black market, can you trust it like a you would a western pharmaceutical company who tries hard to keep their product out of the black market? Or if you get compounded gear via prescription from some shady us HRT clinic, do you think it will be just as good as a legit Schering product from a western pharmacy? I think it very well could be but maybe not always. In some instances UGL gear could seem extra potent since some labs have intentionally overdosed their gear to get a good reputation. Even back when IP started the whole UGL scene, I remember some of his Winstrol tabs coming back as overdosed whereas other products sometimes were underdosed or even had the wrong compound.
There are some variations in metabolism etc between individuals but it is very safe to say that Dallas was running a minimum 5000 mgs a week or test, that's the absolute minimum based on his bloods.... 10 grams is a more likely number.
He was during offseason, he would not have been shooting suspension every day.
As for amateurs running 400 mgs tren EOD that's just irresponsible and a shitty protocol, you burn out on the drug and have no where to go as you progress, stupidity.
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Holy hell, even if the tren was absolute shit at 50% purity that's a lot of tren :D
Yeah, I've had my pics used as the Tren man on a few forums because I am completely open with doses.
Over the years, I think I've lost my stubbornness in pushing down the fact that despite not feeling bad on it, it probably is not so great for you. And now that I am not so brainwashed about estrogen, I would tend towards higher test as back then I ran zero to 150/week.
I would say that probably around 150/day is where there is not really much point in going above that.
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Yeah, I've had my pics used as the Tren man on a few forums because I am completely open with doses.
Over the years, I think I've lost my stubbornness in pushing down the fact that despite not feeling bad on it, it probably is not so great for you. And now that I am not so brainwashed about estrogen, I would tend towards higher test as back then I ran zero to 150/week.
I would say that probably around 150/day is where there is not really much point in going above that.
How did you handle zero test? I've tried it a few times and could never last longer than 4 weeks without it
Also could you post up pics of how you looked on 300 mgs of tren a day?
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There are lots of good UG raws, etc.
I can say that strangely enough the pellets seemed to work better then the raw powder, though.
Ran up to 150mg/day of pellets. Raws I have done as much as 300mg/day. That original raw source was maybe not as good but seemed to be the case with all I've tried when it has come to Tren, though. Never use it anymore so the powders I know nowadays that are good may be comparable to the pellets.
Pics or gtfo
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How did you handle zero test? I've tried it a few times and could never last longer than 4 weeks without it
Also could you post up pics of how you looked on 300 mgs of tren a day?
Felt all right but it is not good to have no estrogen and eventually it caught up to me (tired, etc.).
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How did you handle zero test? I've tried it a few times and could never last longer than 4 weeks without it
Also could you post up pics of how you looked on 300 mgs of tren a day?
Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
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Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
Great physique + vintage George Michaels five o'clock shadow. Well done all around.
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Great physique + vintage George Michaels five o'clock shadow. Well done all around.
X2
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Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
Great look! Very dense and full....
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Very similar physique to Spike, who used to post here a lot.
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Pics or gtfo
I actually remember when he posted a pic years ago when he was on tren. He isn't a big guy and didn't look muscle-bound but very chiseled and impressive. Pretty much the physique 95%, including me, would be more than satisfied with.
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Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=661580.0;attach=786356;image)
Oh shit! My previous post was before I saw this one. But as you can see, I was spot on.
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Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
how long did you do that for?
what do you look like now
how shit were your lipids
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Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
Sick build. Respect on this physique and posting a photo.
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30 grams carbs and low dose. Looks good
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30 grams carbs and low dose. Looks good
Definitely the key. Low carbs and dose equals good water free shredded physique.
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Here is one on what I thought was 300mg/day at the time but was more likely closer to 150 to 200mg. I was using pellets and got the calculation mixed up a bit.
All that money on drugs but none to upgrade phone, epic 2005 Motorola flip phone
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All that money on drugs but none to upgrade phone, epic 2005 Motorola flip phone
It was taken years and years ago, lol.