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Good interview cheers for posting
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What do you think Matt, you think Jansen used a moderate protocol on Dallas like he’s suggesting, but Dallas didn’t follow it, and used more himself? Or you think Jansen is lying, and of course, he’s not going to say he used crazy amounts on Dallas?
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He's downplaying dosages. he's running more, especially was in Dallas, they were pushing that shit hard.
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He's downplaying dosages. he's running more, especially was in Dallas, they were pushing that shit hard.
I agree, He’s def not going to say he had Dallas on a lot more
Makes sense he was pushing him considering Dallas was a favorite to win many shows and possible Mr O
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I agree, He’s def not going to say he had Dallas on a lot more
Makes sense he was pushing him considering Dallas was a favorite to win many shows and possible Mr O
Yeah for sure and Dallas was clearly on board with the whole situation....
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Dallas's death was odd to say the least
He was living with Lenartowitz at the time and Lenartowitz claims he and Dallas were eating at the time and he went to the bathroom and when he came back to the room , Dallas was dead on the floor from a heart attack...
Odd scenario as heart attacks are not instant and not always fatal.
The person goes through lots of agony during the heart attack and will attempt to get to help/someone during the heart attack; will knock over glasses/furniture/items/thrash about etc..
The way Lenartowitz described it doesn't fit the actual process... neither does his demeanor fit in with witnessing such an event.
Dave Palumbo claims one of his coronaries was 90 percent blocked.... well you have three coronary arteries supplying blood to the heart.. one being nearly blocked will not kill a person.
And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.
If he had blocked coronaries, that would have been treated before it became an issue.
So, I just feel there is more to his death than we are being told...
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Dallas's death was odd to say the least
He was living with Lenartowitz at the time and Lenartowitz claims he and Dallas were eating at the time and he went to the bathroom and when he came back to the room , Dallas was dead on the floor from a heart attack...
Odd scenario as heart attacks are not instant and not always fatal.
The person goes through lots of agony during the heart attack and will attempt to get to help/someone during the heart attack; will knock over glasses/furniture/items/thrash about etc..
The way Lenartowitz described it doesn't fit the actual process... neither does his demeanor fit in with witnessing such an event.
Dave Palumbo claims one of his coronaries was 90 percent blocked.... well you have three coronary arteries supplying blood to the heart.. one being nearly blocked will not kill a person.
And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.
If he had blocked coronaries, that would have been treated before it became an issue.
So, I just feel there is more to his death than we are being told...
Josh was at the gym doing cardio, when he got back to Dallas house, Dallas was dead on the floor ( already blue) had been dead for a while at that point....
As for them ignoring the obvious warning signs health wise, Dallas was a young guy, 26 years old, at that age we think were bulletproof, he was thinking only about getting huge and bbing, investigating health issues could only get in the way of that.
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And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.
But what exactly happened at the show? All I saw was the guy almost fainted on stage and that is nothing unusual in itself, just from being dehydrated and posing hard. But there may have been more stuff going on, I don't know.
As far as medical intervention, every doctor would recommend every single pro to immediately stop everything if health is a priority. What doctor would tell any top 10 Mr O competitor that everything is fine, just keep doing what you have been doing? Of course different pros could have more or less acute health risks but if examined close to a show they all would have blood work out of whack for example. They all have enlarged hearts and from what I know that could cause electrical problems eventually.
Palumbo himself has a defibrillator in his chest... I think someone on this forum mentioned it. I saw where Palumbo mentioned that since going clean his heart has shrunk some so obviously had enlargement like the rest. This is probably why he claims he doesn't even touch HRT now.
If I were to venture a guess, Dallas probably already was on some blood pressure and/or heart medication either with or without a doctors help. I know many are self-prescribing a bunch of stuff nowadays to attempt some damage control. From what I've seen things like Telmisartan and Cialis are popular in the scene. A few take beta blockers, others diuretics. And so on.
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From what I've seen things like Telmisartan and Cialis are popular in the scene. A few take beta blockers, others diuretics. And so on.
VB what's ur experience with blood pressure meds? which ones have u tested and which ones work best (side effects taken into consideration)?
i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans
ace inhibitors didnt work
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work
diuretics work for a couple of days, then stops working
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan.
the sartans are the only meds that don't interfere with my training and allow a necessary retention of water
but don't use them when in procreation mode, bad for fetal development
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Josh was at the gym doing cardio, when he got back to Dallas house, Dallas was dead on the floor ( already blue) had been dead for a while at that point....
This story has been changed then.
The initial claim Josh made was they were eating together in the room and talking and Josh claimed he went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was dead on the floor... I found that way too odd as we all have seen a person have a heart attack (even if it was in the movies, where pretty accurate descriptions/visuals are acted out) https://www.newser.com/story/247594/bodybuilder-dallas-mccarver-dead-from-choking-report.html
As for them ignoring the obvious warning signs health wise, Dallas was a young guy, 26 years old, at that age we think were bulletproof, he was thinking only about getting huge and bbing, investigating health issues could only get in the way of that.
Even being young and foolish a person's attitude changes quick when they have a scare like that. NO ONE WANTS TO DIE, even when they are doing something that heightens that possibility.
So I just find it odd that Dallas would not of his own self seek some type of medical intervention. Just look at the amount of guys that bowed out of BBing after a scare of one type or another. Jason Huh, Justin Compton, Dohne, Melvin Anthony, Gunter Schlierkamp, Dennis Wolf etc
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So as I'm hearing it (from around the 7min mark), in a nutshell Coach Jansen is saying 2 things:
1. He advises Pro's (for example mentioning DeAsha) to take around 100/150mg Test per day max (~0.5 - 1cc maybe?)
2. He 'calculated' that McCarver was (possibly ignoring that advice and) taking ~9cc's a day to give that Tox reading
Seems legit.
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The initial claim Josh made was they were eating together in the room and talking and Josh claimed he went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was dead on the floor... I found that way too odd as we all have seen a person have a heart attack (even if it was in the movies, where pretty accurate descriptions/visuals are acted out) https://www.newser.com/story/247594/bodybuilder-dallas-mccarver-dead-from-choking-report.html[/color]
I don't believe this is true.
If you listened to the 911 call, when asked how long Dallas had been in that condition Josh said that he was unsure and said something to the effect of "between 30 and 40 minutes" which would have coincided with his absence from the home, as he was doing cardio at the gym. Josh also mentions "insulin" on the call (though going hypo was not the cause of death).
It was pretty gut wrenching to listen to the call, I am surprised that it got out there.
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I don't believe this is true.
If you listened to the 911 call, when asked how long Dallas had been in that condition Josh said that he was unsure and said something to the effect of "between 30 and 40 minutes" which would have coincided with his absence from the home, as he was doing cardio at the gym. Josh also mentions "insulin" on the call (though going hypo was not the cause of death).
It was pretty gut wrenching to listen to the call, I am surprised that it got out there.
Listen to that call again as Josh dances around from 10 minutes to 30 - 40 minutes
How could he know how long Dallas was dead? Where was the panic in his voice? In the time it would have taken him to get to the gym, do cardio, socialize, get back home... MORE THAN 10 MINUTES WOULD HAVE ELAPSED AND CERTAINLY IN TOTALITY IT WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 30-40 MINUTE WINDOW.
HIS CARDIO SESSION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES FOR ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME HE CLAIMED...
I smell a RAT in this... Let's hope this is not one of those MASONIC HITS placed on Dallas
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Josh was at the gym doing cardio, when he got back to Dallas house, Dallas was dead on the floor ( already blue) had been dead for a while at that point....
This story has been changed then.
The initial claim Josh made was they were eating together in the room and talking and Josh claimed he went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was dead on the floor... I found that way too odd as we all have seen a person have a heart attack (even if it was in the movies, where pretty accurate descriptions/visuals are acted out) https://www.newser.com/story/247594/bodybuilder-dallas-mccarver-dead-from-choking-report.html
As for them ignoring the obvious warning signs health wise, Dallas was a young guy, 26 years old, at that age we think were bulletproof, he was thinking only about getting huge and bbing, investigating health issues could only get in the way of that.
Even being young and foolish a person's attitude changes quick when they have a scare like that. NO ONE WANTS TO DIE, even when they are doing something that heightens that possibility.
So I just find it odd that Dallas would not of his own self seek some type of medical intervention. Just look at the amount of guys that bowed out of BBing after a scare of one type or another. Jason Huh, Justin Compton, Dohne, Melvin Anthony, Gunter Schlierkamp, Dennis Wolf etc
Aside from dohne and Compton what happened to the others?
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LMAO @ a pathological liar "opening up" ::)
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What really happened is a lot more like what happens when celebrities overdose like Heath Ledger or Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston. The other people in the home or vicinity are more concerned with saving their own ass than getting emergency services.
From what I gather here, Josh was home and stepped out of the room for a bit. Came back and saw Dallas basically dead on the floor. Instead of calling 911 and inviting police and EMT into his drug filled apartment, he spent 20-30 minutes clearing everything out - like running to the gym and stashing a bag in a locker. Then came back and called 911.
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What really happened is a lot more like what happens when celebrities overdose like Heath Ledger or Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston. The other people in the home or vicinity are more concerned with saving their own ass than getting emergency services.
From what I gather here, Josh was home and stepped out of the room for a bit. Came back and saw Dallas basically dead on the floor. Instead of calling 911 and inviting police and EMT into his drug filled apartment, he spent 20-30 minutes clearing everything out - like running to the gym and stashing a bag in a locker. Then came back and called 911.
Could very well be the case.... all I remember is Josh giving one story of what happened and then somehow the media later began reporting another version...
Yours begins to sound more and more like the TRUTH as I consider it.
That tactic would keep both he (Josh) and Dallas free from any implication of causing or having caused someone's death
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He said Dallas was taking 9CC per Day... Well... that equals out to close to but probably even more than 10 grams a week depending on dosage per cc
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Can you imagine putting your health in the hands of either of these dolts.
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Aside from dohne and Compton what happened to the others?
Remember Dohne had Kidney Failure (not sure if he needed a transplant or survives on limited function), Compton never said exactly why he stopped but hinted at health, Jason Huh also had his health scare and both he and his brother stopped and turned to starting a supplement company (STEEL) as well as a car detailing operation, Melvin Anthony commented numerous times before bowing out that it's not worth dying for...
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Wonder what his HGH dosages was like
Lungs 2x size of normal
Liver 3x size of normal
Heart 3x size of normal
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Remember Dohne had Kidney Failure (not sure if he needed a transplant or survives on limited function), Compton never said exactly why he stopped but hinted at health, Jason Huh also had his health scare and both he and his brother stopped and turned to starting a supplement company (STEEL) as well as a car detailing operation, Melvin Anthony commented numerous times before bowing out that it's not worth dying for...
Actually he did mention something on his IG - a tear in his bowel - don't believe he specified the cause
It was definitely not blood pressure related though...
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VB what's ur experience with blood pressure meds? which ones have u tested and which ones work best (side effects taken into consideration)?
i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans
ace inhibitors didnt work
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work
diuretics work for a couple of days, then stops working
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan.
the sartans are the only meds that don't interfere with my training and allow a necessary retention of water
but don't use them when in procreation mode, bad for fetal development
beta blockers
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Actually he did mention something on his IG - a tear in his bowel - don't believe he specified the cause
It was definitely not blood pressure related though...
maybe Chris Duffy was prepping him...
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Actually he did mention something on his IG - a tear in his bowel - don't believe he specified the cause
It was definitely not blood pressure related though...
In this YT vids he talks about it all from what he took to his diet/training split. and sponsor money . In the end he says says he was so beat up (tendons/joints/tears) he was done.
This has time stamps under the video on YT. His gear use was certainly not crazy but his diet
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VB what's ur experience with blood pressure meds? which ones have u tested and which ones work best (side effects taken into consideration)?
i've tried diuretics, ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers and sartans
ace inhibitors didnt work
calcium channel blockers (even at high doses) didn't work
diuretics work for a couple of days, then stops working
sartans work, especially the strongest of the lot, olmesartan.
the sartans are the only meds that don't interfere with my training and allow a necessary retention of water
but don't use them when in procreation mode, bad for fetal development
Have your tried a angiotensin II receptor blockers?
These drugs block the effects of angiotensin, a chemical that causes the arteries to become narrow. Angiotensin needs a receptor- like a chemical "slot" to fit into or bind with- in order to constrict the blood vessel. ARBs block the receptors so the angiotensin fails to constrict the blood vessel. This means blood vessels stay open and blood pressure is reduced.
Generic name Common brand names
candesartan Atacand*
eprosartan mesylate Teveten*
irbesarten Avapro*
losartan potassium Cozaar*
telmisartan Micardis*
valsartan Diovan*
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Could you all imagine how happy and excited Josh was deep down knowing he got to keep all of Dallas’ unused stash he hid before he made the 911 call.
I bet he was ecstatic.
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Listen to that call again as Josh dances around from 10 minutes to 30 - 40 minutes
How could he know how long Dallas was dead? Where was the panic in his voice? In the time it would have taken him to get to the gym, do cardio, socialize, get back home... MORE THAN 10 MINUTES WOULD HAVE ELAPSED AND CERTAINLY IN TOTALITY IT WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 30-40 MINUTE WINDOW.
HIS CARDIO SESSION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES FOR ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME HE CLAIMED...
I smell a RAT in this... Let's hope this is not one of those MASONIC HITS placed on Dallas
He was just guessing, that's why he said different times, he was trying to estimate based on how long he was gone....
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Could you all imagine how happy and excited Josh was deep down knowing he got to keep all of Dallas’ unused stash he hid before he made the 911 call.
I bet he was ecstatic.
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Especially all the gh, can you imagine how much Dallas had. Josh saved a lot of money
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Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.
I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state. I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance? OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!
But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.
IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.
I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.
Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call? What is the basis for the speculations in here? Just curious. I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.
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Especially all the gh, can you imagine how much Dallas had. Josh saved a lot of money
Can't blame Josh for grabbing the gh ;)
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Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.
I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state. I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance? OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!
But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.
IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.
I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.
Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call? What is the basis for the speculations in here? Just curious. I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.
It wasn't Josh's house so legally not his problem, Dallas was clearly dead and it would have legally been on him...
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Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.
I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state. I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance? OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!
But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.
IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.
Hey Matt
The medical team should have been able to give a good determination of Dallas's death based upon the temperature of his body relative to the room temperature... This should have verified or brought into question Josh's claim of him being dead 10, 30, 40 etc minutes
Again the initial version of this story said Dallas moved in with Josh (Josh's home) and he and Josh were eating... Josh then went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was on the floor dead... This being, I am sure there was a delay, as Josh would have needed time to dispose of anything that would implicate Dallas and/or himself of having "illicit" drugs which could bring on his arrest as well...
And yeah, that is pretty fucked up that the cops would look to add charges to a dead person, but I have seen that happen in many cases as though somehow it would benefit the deceased person.... must have something to do with them getting "credit" for a drug bust or something..
I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.
Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call? What is the basis for the speculations in here? Just curious. I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.
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Listen to that call again as Josh dances around from 10 minutes to 30 - 40 minutes
How could he know how long Dallas was dead? Where was the panic in his voice? In the time it would have taken him to get to the gym, do cardio, socialize, get back home... MORE THAN 10 MINUTES WOULD HAVE ELAPSED AND CERTAINLY IN TOTALITY IT WOULD HAVE EXCEEDED THE 30-40 MINUTE WINDOW.
HIS CARDIO SESSION COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES FOR ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME FRAME HE CLAIMED...
I smell a RAT in this... Let's hope this is not one of those MASONIC HITS placed on Dallas
Disgustingly baseless comment to implicate his best mate as a "rat" with a possible role in the passing of Dallas. This takes the cake, even for GetBig...
He was just guessing, that's why he said different times, he was trying to estimate based on how long he was gone....
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Disgustingly baseless comment to implicate his best mate as a "rat" with a possible role in the passing of Dallas. This takes the cake, even for GetBig...
To say I SMELL A RAT does not implicate anyone... It means SOMETHING IS WRONG IN/WITH THE STORY!!!!
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To say I SMELL A RAT does not implicate anyone... It means SOMETHING IS WRONG IN/WITH THE STORY!!!!
Questioning the level of panic in Josh's voice, noting your "smell of a rat," you "hoping" that it wasn't a "hit" on Dallas.. Yeah, I'm sure you're not implicating anything at all. ::)
I hope for Josh's sake that he never stumbles upon this cesspool of a thread.
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Yeah for sure and Dallas was clearly on board with the whole situation....
Too bad Josh did not know CPR. He needed course work.
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Questioning the level of panic in Josh's voice, noting your "smell of a rat," you "hoping" that it wasn't a "hit" on Dallas.. Yeah, I'm sure you're not implicating anything at all. ::)
I hope for Josh's sake that he never stumbles upon this cesspool of a thread.
YES Juiced Kangaroo.... That along with what I mentioned in regard to determining a person's death based upon bodily temperature, blood oxygen/carbon dioxide levels etc are all used to verify with close proximity when a person died.
Josh does not come across to me as panicked like a person would be in finding a dead person/friend in his home.
The lack of a time frame is odd as well.
If he went to the gym, (at a specific time) for cardio as claimed (despite the first claim being he went to the bathroom) that would mean time to get to the gym, time to do cardio session, time to socialize and time to get back home...
How was it possible for him to do all of this in the 10, 30, 40 minute time frame he claimed?
How come he did not say he left home at a specific time and arrived back home at a specific time and found Dallas on the floor?
This would at least give a better sense of when Dallas died... as it stands it drives questions about OTHER possibilities...
So yeah I am going to still say I SMELL A RAT/SOMETHING IS WRONG in all that has been said and all that has happened in regard to Dallas's death..
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YES Juiced Kangaroo.... That along with what I mentioned in regard to determining a person's death based upon bodily temperature, blood oxygen/carbon dioxide levels etc are all used to verify with close proximity when a person died.
Josh does not come across to me as panicked like a person would be in finding a dead person/friend in his home.
The lack of a time frame is odd as well.
If he went to the gym, (at a specific time) for cardio as claimed (despite the first claim being he went to the bathroom) that would mean time to get to the gym, time to do cardio session, time to socialize and time to get back home...
How was it possible for him to do all of this in the 10, 30, 40 minute time frame he claimed?
How come he did not say he left home at a specific time and arrived back home at a specific time and found Dallas on the floor?
This would at least give a better sense of when Dallas died... as it stands it drives questions about OTHER possibilities...
So yeah I am going to still say I SMELL A RAT/SOMETHING IS WRONG in all that has been said and all that has happened in regard to Dallas's death..
christ man, give it up. the kid is dead. what do yo care.
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Hey Matt
The medical team should have been able to give a good determination of Dallas's death based upon the temperature of his body relative to the room temperature... This should have verified or brought into question Josh's claim of him being dead 10, 30, 40 etc minutes
Again the initial version of this story said Dallas moved in with Josh (Josh's home) and he and Josh were eating... Josh then went to the bathroom and when he came out Dallas was on the floor dead... This being, I am sure there was a delay, as Josh would have needed time to dispose of anything that would implicate Dallas and/or himself of having "illicit" drugs which could bring on his arrest as well...
And yeah, that is pretty fucked up that the cops would look to add charges to a dead person, but I have seen that happen in many cases as though somehow it would benefit the deceased person.... must have something to do with them getting "credit" for a drug bust or something..
Interesting! Thank you for posting, SAMSON123.
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christ man, give it up. the kid is dead. what do yo care.
Borsen... There is no disrespect of the dead but a questioning of what has been presented as the reason for Dallas' death.
I did not start this thread and neither am I trashing anyone... you're putting your own spin on things.
Suspicious deaths and circumstances have plagued sports industry, movie industry and music industry for too many decades to count...
I question those as well just to make people see/think that there are times it is NOT a simple death...
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He died because he was a steroid pig. End of stupid ass thread////////////////////////////////////////.
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He died because he was a steroid pig. End of stupid ass thread////////////////////////////////////////.
Dallas abused steroids?
Ok, but did his coach encourage him to do so, or did he do more than his coach asked him to?
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Dallas abused steroids?
Ok, but did his coach encourage him to do so, or did he do more than his coach asked him to?
What is abuse vs mere use? Rhetorical question.
Pinning somethin like this on one coach is kind of hard. For example, Dallas had a heart that was like 3 times the normal size. This doesn't happen overnight. Who's more to blame, the coach who set him on this road to begin with when he was a teen or the coach who was with him when he finally died? Would any coach have told him to stop bodybuilding altogether? I read that he was freaking 350lbs with very low bodyfat - anyone knows this is not healthy whether he is taking 2 grams or 5 grams or 15 grams.
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What really happened is a lot more like what happens when celebrities overdose like Heath Ledger or Michael Jackson or Whitney Houston. The other people in the home or vicinity are more concerned with saving their own ass than getting emergency services.
From what I gather here, Josh was home and stepped out of the room for a bit. Came back and saw Dallas basically dead on the floor. Instead of calling 911 and inviting police and EMT into his drug filled apartment, he spent 20-30 minutes clearing everything out - like running to the gym and stashing a bag in a locker. Then came back and called 911.
mind blown right there - ^^^
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You silly bullies need to stop your silly bullying right now, or Josh might cry (again)....
He doesn't like it when you allege he uses steroids, OK!?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0)
Got it now?! Even when his (apparently best friend) who eats, trains and lives with him drops dead in his house from a (prefectly normal) heart attack aged 26
A few progress pics from Josh the natty...
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You silly bullies need to stop your silly bullying right now, or Josh might cry (again)....
He doesn't like it when you allege he uses steroids, OK!?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0)
Lol, I remember that now, poor guy :D
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Canada - or at least Thunder Bay, so I'm assuming Ontario, if not all of Canada - recently put in place a "Good Samaritan" law which means that if you are using drugs or involved in drugs somehow while you are involved with someone who has overdosed on drugs, you can call 911 and report it, and the police do not have the right to charge you.
I think it's kind of pathetic that the police would lay drug charges on people in that state. I mean, how could they POSSIBLY think that would do anything but deter people from calling 911 to request an ambulance? OBVIOUSLY people are going to be afraid that they will be charged and/or arrested!
But in Canada, pre-Good Samaritan law, you could always call the police and simply say that you thought the person was having "a seizure or heart attack", and just claim to not be certain, AND MAKE NO MENTION WHATSOEVER OF DRUGS, and apparently the police would not come in to investigate.
IF you mentioned drugs in any way, you were basically assuring that your house or whatever residence you were at would be the subject of a search.
I'm not sure what the laws are like in the USA, so I can't comment on the likelihood of Josh having cleaned up the place of anabolics and other items first, before calling 911.
Does anyone know if there is a definite time frame where Josh could have found Dallas, and then had a pause, before he made the call? What is the basis for the speculations in here? Just curious. I'd need more information before I myself can speculate.
Just so you know, the police don't always comply with the law. Illegal searches are not unheard of.
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You silly bullies need to stop your silly bullying right now, or Josh might cry (again)....
He doesn't like it when you allege he uses steroids, OK!?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605444.0)
Got it now?! Even when his (apparently best friend) who eats, trains and lives with him drops dead in his house from a (prefectly normal) heart attack aged 26
A few progress pics from Josh the natty...
I mean, didn’t he himself have health issues as well? Tells you everything you need to know, he was part of the problem
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Clearly bullshit but he was saying that to MSM...
Who are fucktards not to be taken seriously...
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I mean, didn’t he himself have health issues as well? Tells you everything you need to know, he was part of the problem
Apparently (and JuicedKangaroo will no doubt leap in to correct me here) he just had a couple of benign tumors (LCH Eosinophilic granuloma) removed - that was fine but he suffered complications from the anesthetic and slipped into a coma for a while... perfectly normal in a 22 stone 30 year old with 5% bodyfat...
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Not sure when these were taken:
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Dallas's death was odd to say the least
He was living with Lenartowitz at the time and Lenartowitz claims he and Dallas were eating at the time and he went to the bathroom and when he came back to the room , Dallas was dead on the floor from a heart attack...
Odd scenario as heart attacks are not instant and not always fatal.
The person goes through lots of agony during the heart attack and will attempt to get to help/someone during the heart attack; will knock over glasses/furniture/items/thrash about etc..
The way Lenartowitz described it doesn't fit the actual process... neither does his demeanor fit in with witnessing such an event.
Dave Palumbo claims one of his coronaries was 90 percent blocked.... well you have three coronary arteries supplying blood to the heart.. one being nearly blocked will not kill a person.
And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.
If he had blocked coronaries, that would have been treated before it became an issue.
So, I just feel there is more to his death than we are being told...
Odd, if you are a moron and go with the rumours of the internet. In the reality where this all happen, there is not only pathology report about this death, but even a video where this doc explain very clearly what happen, by logic and facts. You are right, not all heart attacks are lethal. Not all, but some of them are, that's why they are called "massive heart attacks". If your heart stops pumping blood to your brains, you fall down dead in seconds, just like Dallas did.
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Odd, if you are a moron and go with the rumours of the internet. In the reality where this all happen, there is not only pathology report about this death, but even a video where this doc explain very clearly what happen, by logic and facts. You are right, not all heart attacks are lethal. Not all, but some of them are, that's why they are called "massive heart attacks". If your heart stops pumping blood to your brains, you fall down dead in seconds, just like Dallas did.
This^
Dallas was grossly overweight and unwell well due to massive continued drug abuse, he had a heart attack and died. Rip
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This^
Dallas was grossly overweight and unwell well due to massive continued drug abuse, he had a heart attack and died. Rip
Makes you wonder how guys like Eddie Hall can walk around at close to 400 lbs without too many issues. Dallas was not as heavy as these strongmen. I wonder if Dallas used a CPAP.
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Is Dallas considered to have elite genetics for bbing?? Or was it the drugs especially in his case?
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Is Dallas considered to have elite genetics for bbing?? Or was it the drugs especially in his case?
Good question. He won the Chicago Pro show rather young. He also deadlifted 845-lb, and bench pressed over 500-lb.
Maxime Boudreault is Thunder Bay's Strongest Man and almost qualified for the Arnold Pro this year, and he isn't quite at the deadlift and bench press that Dallas had [but VERY close - bench is around the same].
Even Ronnie didn't lift what Dallas did.
I realize that it's bodybuilding, and not strongman or powerlifting, but Dallas was top tier, IMO. Not sure exactly where in that top 25% of pro bodybuilders though, but I think top 25% is fair.
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Good question. He won the Chicago Pro show rather young. He also deadlifted 845-lb, and bench pressed over 500-lb.
Maxime Boudreault is Thunder Bay's Strongest Man and almost qualified for the Arnold Pro this year, and he isn't quite at the deadlift and bench press that Dallas had [but VERY close - bench is around the same].
Even Ronnie didn't lift what Dallas did.
I realize that it's bodybuilding, and not strongman or powerlifting, but Dallas was top tier, IMO. Not sure exactly where in that top 25% of pro bodybuilders though, but I think top 25% is fair.
Matt if you continue to post BLASPHEMY I will be forced to bludgeon you until your height measures 5 "8 permanently.
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Not sure when these were taken:
Prolly before he was dead?
(Too soon?)
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Makes you wonder how guys like Eddie Hall can walk around at close to 400 lbs without too many issues. Dallas was not as heavy as these strongmen. I wonder if Dallas used a CPAP.
You don't know how? Just by good luck. And you among these other guys are misunderstanding what overweight means in this case. He wasn't "overweight" as a bodybuilder, but all his organs were twice as large than normal person, some of them triple in size. So his organs, lungs, kidneys, heart, liver etc. were at least twice heavier than they should be, and that is the overweight which kill him. Only reasons why this can happen, were bad genetics from the family, and insane amount of juice. He also had thyroid cancer, which is quite rare among 26 years old men. What happen if you have nearly starting thyroid cancer and you use crazy amount of growth hormones? Do the cancer speed up it's growth, or will it grow slowly, just ignoring all the extra growth factors?
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Makes you wonder how guys like Eddie Hall can walk around at close to 400 lbs without too many issues. Dallas was not as heavy as these strongmen. I wonder if Dallas used a CPAP.
I seem to remember Eddie Hall saying he had had a heart attack already. Or was it two?
There is a reason why he downsized after the 500kg deadlift. Very very close to death.
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Makes you wonder how guys like Eddie Hall can walk around at close to 400 lbs without too many issues. Dallas was not as heavy as these strongmen. I wonder if Dallas used a CPAP.
Weight is one thing but he was on TONS of drugs, easily more than Eddie Hall.
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I had forgot that there was "Dallas cycle" circulating back then. It came up again with Nick Trigili's interview with Chad. Also saw a video with Palumbo commenting on it.
There are several things indicating it could be legit, but both of these guys scoffed at it, and Palumbo said it was basically impossible to do. I don't know if Palumbo is an idiot for real or if he just didn't want anyone emulating it or what. For example he said no one can do 100iu Lantus plus 20-25iu quick acting with every meal. It can be done pretty easily and it is done for a fact. Chad said it was actually a shopping list for 2 people. It wasn't written in that way so I see it as obvious misdirection on his part.
Palumbo said many false things. For example:
You can't eat if you take a lot of Anadrol.
You can't sleep if you take a lot of tren.
You can't take a lot of test suspension due to pain.
All bullshit.
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Weight is one thing but he was on TONS of drugs, easily more than Eddie Hall.
I'm not so sure about that. Strongmen and powerlifters are some of the craziest motherfuckers around. They do some absolutely insane things with drugs before meets, things that would seem like pure suicide to most elite bodybuilders even.
For example, some might do A GRAM of orals per day last couple of weeks.
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Jumbo palumbo says a lot of half truths just like the retard Lee priest. Take all of it with a grain of salt
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I'm not so sure about that. Strongmen and powerlifters are some of the craziest motherfuckers around. They do some absolutely insane things with drugs before meets, things that would seem like pure suicide to most elite bodybuilders even.
I don’t disagree but I reckon Dallas was on a “another level” that and his genetics for health and longevity couldn’t and didn’t hold up
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I don’t disagree but I reckon Dallas was on a “another level” that and his genetics for health and longevity couldn’t and didn’t hold up
Yeah he was extreme for sure. And I don't think anyone's body can withstand that type of use for long. He was probably a multi-gram user with lots of gh and insulin as a teen already.
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Could you all imagine how happy and excited Josh was deep down knowing he got to keep all of Dallas’ unused stash he hid before he made the 911 call.
I bet he was ecstatic.
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GH is fucking expensive in Australia can you blame him
Dallas pretty much went from Natty to dying within 5 years. He would have been on so much shit and weighed so much his body was under immense pressure and something was going to give.
As for taking doctors advice after nearly dying - hahaha do you know how a guy in that situation thinks? 'ok I almost passed out onstage it was just overdoing the diuretics. Next time i'll take 3/4 a much and i'll be 100%' He doesn't change shit. It's like Derek Anthony saying he had to clean out and be healthy, reality is he probably dropped the dose by half, that's half a grossly overinflated dose anyway so he's still killing himself which he did. They aren't changing anything. They'll inject and take anything until they physically are in a hospital bed and their buddy isn't allowed to come in and inject them on the sly.
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DA was such a moron.
He could have kept making a killing on the schmoe scene if he kept the dosages moderate and fought tooth and nail to keep his hair.
The thing is they can’t, it’s a mental disease, a lot of these guys have addictive personalities, no different than meth addicts, etc...
Dallas was a moron, the signs were all there, I don’t feel sorry for him one bit
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Weight is one thing but he was on TONS of drugs, easily more than Eddie Hall.
I dont think so, imo Eddie would have been on ten grams gear when pushing the limit....
Look at how crazed and obsessed he was and the limit he pushed his body too, his appearance was crazy, super bloated huge etc.... Massive gear use needed at those body weights and strength levels.
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Makes you wonder how guys like Eddie Hall can walk around at close to 400 lbs without too many issues. Dallas was not as heavy as these strongmen. I wonder if Dallas used a CPAP.
It's luck of the draw regarding the individuals genetics....
Dallas was unlucky.
That said Eddie hall was an obvious ticking time bomb, the limits he pushed himself to.
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I dont think so, imo Eddie would have been on ten grams gear when pushing the limit....
Look at how crazed and obsessed he was and the limit he pushed his body too, his appearance was crazy, super bloated huge etc.... Massive gear use needed at those body weights and strength levels.
I don’t doubt that but Dallas was on diuretics, gh, insulin, dieting for shows, getting shredded, then putting on tons of more weight, that effect is brutal. I’m willing to bet Eddie didn’t run the shit and amount Dallas ran , also didn’t Eddie have health issues too? And he backed off? Dallas had his foot on the gas even after health scares, maybe that. Who knows, genetic longevity or lack of?
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The thing is they can’t, it’s a mental disease, a lot of these guys have addictive personalities, no different than meth addicts, etc...
Dallas was a moron, the signs were all there, I don’t feel sorry for him one bit
Also, they are addicted to getting attention. For some people, the need for attention leads to horrible choices.
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Dallas's death was odd to say the least
He was living with Lenartowitz at the time and Lenartowitz claims he and Dallas were eating at the time and he went to the bathroom and when he came back to the room , Dallas was dead on the floor from a heart attack...
Odd scenario as heart attacks are not instant and not always fatal.
The person goes through lots of agony during the heart attack and will attempt to get to help/someone during the heart attack; will knock over glasses/furniture/items/thrash about etc..
The way Lenartowitz described it doesn't fit the actual process... neither does his demeanor fit in with witnessing such an event.
Dave Palumbo claims one of his coronaries was 90 percent blocked.... well you have three coronary arteries supplying blood to the heart.. one being nearly blocked will not kill a person.
And because Dallas has suffered a scary situation on stage not long before this "heart attack" it would have made him and his coach/sponsors say, hey let's get this guy some medical intervention to see what is wrong with him... but alas nothing was investigated supposedly.
If he had blocked coronaries, that would have been treated before it became an issue.
So, I just feel there is more to his death than we are being told...
Your assumptions about MI are wrong, a better understanding of cardiac anatomy is highly recommended so you can make a better judgement. Dave Palumbo has next to zero medical knowledge and has carved out a nice following preying on those who know even less and are under the impression that he has some degree of training. Be wary of him.
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Yeah he was extreme for sure. And I don't think anyone's body can withstand that type of use for long. He was probably a multi-gram user with lots of gh and insulin as a teen already.
exactly, some of the earliest trigili interview videos mention that.
at one point, younger Dallas apparently thought he had a flat ass, so he decided to ject 50ml of gear into each or both (i dont remember) of his cheeks
he also had those "im abusing androgens hard but pretending night time masks caused them face grooves"
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exactly, some of the earliest trigili interview videos mention that.
at one point, younger Dallas apparently thought he had a flat ass, so he decided to ject 50ml of gear into each or both (i dont remember) of his cheeks
he also had those "im abusing androgens hard but pretending night time masks caused them face grooves"
;D (epic p1ss stain...)
(https://i.redd.it/b8rcuuku9b831.jpg)
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Better one...
(https://irishmusclepower.com/2018/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/51737792_2146110038779510_411289955210362880_o.jpg)
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;D (epic p1ss stain...)
(https://i.redd.it/b8rcuuku9b831.jpg)
my best friend (heavyset engineer) looks very similar to him in the face.
mirror image - not good
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I don’t doubt that but Dallas was on diuretics, gh, insulin, dieting for shows, getting shredded, then putting on tons of more weight, that effect is brutal. I’m willing to bet Eddie didn’t run the shit and amount Dallas ran , also didn’t Eddie have health issues too? And he backed off? Dallas had his foot on the gas even after health scares, maybe that. Who knows, genetic longevity or lack of?
I think Eddie was paranoid (rightly so) that he would have a heart attack.. I don't know that there were known issues. He used to always say if he stayed at that weight 400+ he would die.
Yea your right about the Dallas drug stack being worse when you consider all the other shit that he would have been taking that Eddie wouldn't have needed to.
And as you say Dallas was having concerning issues and kept pushing harder and harder, was crazy and stupid. The guy was 26, at that age, no one thinks they're gonna just drop dead, it's sad really.
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;D (epic p1ss stain...)
(https://i.redd.it/b8rcuuku9b831.jpg)
This guy is a mess, at least he knows it....
Hoping he's doing his best to look after himself.
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I think Eddie was paranoid (rightly so) that he would have a heart attack.. I don't know that there were known issues. He used to always say if he stayed at that weight 400+ he would die.
Yea your right about the Dallas drug stack being worse when you consider all the other shit that he would have been taking that Eddie wouldn't have needed to.
And as you say Dallas was having concerning issues and kept pushing harder and harder, was crazy and stupid. The guy was 26, at that age, no one thinks they're gonna just drop dead, it's sad really.
I seem to remember Eddie saying he ALREADY had 2 heart attacks. Too lazy to look it up right now. Anyone else remember this?
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exactly, some of the earliest trigili interview videos mention that.
at one point, younger Dallas apparently thought he had a flat ass, so he decided to ject 50ml of gear into each or both (i dont remember) of his cheeks
he also had those "im abusing androgens hard but pretending night time masks caused them face grooves"
I've seen many people say they got the grooves and an older look from their CPAP machine. I don't know if it's a real phenomenon, could be?
Dallas had that heavy trenbolone use demeanor, a robotic, stiff and emotionless/pissed off facial expression. It's hard to explain but I've seen it a lot. Kind of a "I'm dead inside, I have no emotions" look :D
Chad said he smoked weed all day long too. When you use such doses you need something to not feel so tense all the time.
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This guy is a mess, at least he knows it....
Hoping he's doing his best to look after himself.
I remember when he posted this he said he was on just 2 grams of Deca for anabolics. Also says he will never use more than a cc of test a week these days, low test and a ton of Primo for example instead. He's a guy I can believe as far as what he claims to use.
The grooves on his face are crazy in a bad way.