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I have to agree with a lot of what Dexter is saying here regarding the different eras. I'd still rather look like Shawn Ray though phsyique wise
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I have to agree with a lot of what Dexter is saying here regarding the different eras. I'd still rather look like Shawn Ray though phsyique wise
X2.
Shawn's torso was superior . (specially from the front )
Dexter has some kind of T taper ,funky calves, mini gut and cheseeburger shaped head .
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I prefer Shawns physique, just flows better and never had a big stomach. Shawn if you’re reading this, you should lean out again!
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The crap Dexter talking about interviewing women - thats weak sauce. 50 yo man doing that - come on now.
Not at all interested in that nonsense
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I prefer Shawns physique, just flows better and never had a big stomach. Shawn if you’re reading this, you should lean out again!
If he leans out he'd look 60 just like Lee Priest .....
For what ? a pic showing abs with face sad looking full of wrinkles ?
Shawn is RETIRED ,in his mid 50's and looks younger and healthy ...that's the ideal look for the every day real world...
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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If he leans out he'd look 60 just like Lee Priest .....
For what ? a pic showing abs with face sad looking full of wrinkles ?
Shawn is RETIRED ,in his mid 50's and looks younger and healthy ...that's the ideal look for the every day real world...
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
He looks a little over weight to me honestly - needs to train harder. Being 50 is not an excuse to go soft. More cardio and PT is needed.
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I have to agree with a lot of what Dexter is saying here regarding the different eras. I'd still rather look like Shawn Ray though phsyique wise
Dexter is an idiot, contradicts himself all the time, in his last interview, he states that anyone of the guys now are bigger than the 90’s and could stand toe to toe with them, says different eras can’t be compared, then proceeds to say his prime would beat Shawn’s prime.
If the 90’s era wasn’t so tough why do a lot of people (I don’t think he is imo) say flex wheeler is the best bber ever?? he never won the O, or Kevin?? Ronnie, Dorian, are in the 90’s and they are mentioned as some of the best, again, 90’s guys.
Is a prime dexter better than a prime Kevin or flex??
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Dexter is an idiot, contradicts himself all the time, in his last interview, he states that anyone of the guys now are bigger than the 90’s and could stand toe to toe with them, says different eras can’t be compared, then proceeds to say his prime would beat Shawn’s prime.
If the 90’s era wasn’t so tough why do a lot of people (I don’t think he is imo) say flex wheeler is the best bber ever?? he never won the O, or Kevin?? Ronnie, Dorian, are in the 90’s and they are mentioned as some of the best, again, 90’s guys.
Is a prime dexter better than a prime Kevin or flex??
He said Ronnie was unbeatable
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Shawn’s physique is better than dexter, like many have said, he flows better and more genetically gifted in terms of structure
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prime dexter would have been lucky to place in the top 8 in the 90's no way this lil dwarf could beat , flex, levrone, yates, coleman,nassar, dillett, etc
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show me any version of dexdelusional jackson that beats this
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He said Ronnie was unbeatable
That’s my point, in his last interview he said “everybody always want to talk about the 90’s and their conditioning and sunken faces” then says “you don’t think today’s guys can get like that if they dieted down and suffered” “the criteria is different now”
Not exact words but a long the lines On what he said
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What’s with “men” today putting each other down on the internet? Meet up, fight and grab a beer after. Problem solved.
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show me any version of dexdelusional jackson that beats this
Those pics are insane. Geezus
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What’s with “men” today putting each other down on the internet? Meet up, fight and grab a beer after. Problem solved.
Dex and Shawn seem more like lovers than fighters type.
Two 50 yo men fighting over who looked better in a thong - maybe can sell ppv?
ha ha ha ha!!!
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Those pics are insane. Geezus
thank you soul crusher at one time i followed the sport very closely, no way dexter could beat the top guys from the 90's and i still feel that is the best version of shawn ray i seen .
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thank you soul crusher at one time i followed the sport very closely, no way dexter could beat the top guys from the 90's and i still feel that is the best version of shawn ray i seen .
At the end of the day - just visually speaking - for me Shawn Ray had a much better look and flow
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Don’t forget dexter got beat by this gremlin in multiple shows, this guy somehow has a few arnold classic titles, a handful of 2nd place finishes at the O, tells you all you need to know about modern bbing
Going by dexters analogy, will a prime gremlin Warren beat a prime Shawn? He’s won more shows and bigger and just as “conditioned”
(https://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/1809-ifbb-europa-supershow/2014/629-branch-warren/629-branch-warren-9_final.jpg)
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Shawn and Ray Mentzer were two huge guys who didn't look that big because their heads were quite big.
Here is Shawn with a smaller head!
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He looks a little over weight to me honestly - needs to train harder. Being 50 is not an excuse to go soft. More cardio and PT is needed.
He is over weight by Bodybuilding standars.... but for a functional life he's in better shape than the average 40 year old .
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He is over weight by Bodybuilding standars.... but for a functional life he's in better shape than the average 40 year old .
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He is a FNG legendary figure in the BB world - he should be held to a higher standard. Many of us (Me 45 now) grew up and worshipped these dudes - crazy that im in ridiculous better shape now than him -
I know - and its true - never worship your heros cause they will dissappoint you. just always thought dudes like that had the fitness bug many of us have.
I see a fat Shawn and its sad.
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Ray Mentzer was a huge guy with arms over 20 inches but never looked that huge in photos.
Here is an 'improved' Ray.
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I'd still rather look like Shawn Ray though phsyique wise
That means you'd be black and have voted Obama.
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That means you'd be black and have voted Obama.
Shawn seems like a republican to me. Maybe he can chime in.
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Here is Shawn with a smaller head!
Smaller head, smaller everything. ;D
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One of the best photos I have seen of Shawn Ray was from a beach shoot that had him standing in the water about mid shin depth as a small wave washed over his calves and laughing.... That was the picture of genetic perfection. If he had been 5 inches taller he would have wiped the floor with any guy out there.
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No Shawn hates Trump and Bashes him every chance he gets on Facebook.
He posts a lot of fake news as it was facts. Then that same news gets debunked.
He must watch cnn and msnbc
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No Shawn hates Trump and Bashes him every chance he gets on Facebook.
He posts a lot of fake news as it was facts. Then that same news gets debunked.
He must watch cnn and msnbc
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No Shawn hates Trump and Bashes him every chance he gets on Facebook.
He posts a lot of fake news as it was facts. Then that same news gets debunked.
He must watch cnn and msnbc
No sure what's worse.
Sean watching cnn/MSNBC
Or a grown man reading Sean Ray's facebook.
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In my opinion Dexter definitely beats Ray on the Rear Double Bicep and Rear Lat Spread.
Dexter probably wins the side chest pose too.
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They seem fine here. Shawn compliments his work ethic etc.
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Shawn is SOOO fucking overrated it's beyond laughable. Excellent physique absolutely. a great bodybuilder? NO by no fucking metric. Dex won more contests in 2008 alone than Shawn won in his entire career!!! now factor in Dex won more shows in 2004 than Shawn did his entire career and again in 2013 and in 2016. Dex has 29 wins I believe with an Sandow and Shawn won 2 fucking contests ::) ::) ::) ::) You can argue who had the better physique but under no circumstances can you argue who was the superior bodybuilder. And I personally believe Dex would beat Shawn at their respective bests.
Dexter was 100% spot-on about everything with the exception of let the 90s guys compete today and then would have trouble! The 90s guys who couldn't win were " full " and just couldn't come dialed in at that weight. So they lost to the guys who could. And it's all irrelevant because no one is weighing people on-stage. The 1990s is the highwater mark for professional bodybuilding specifically because of the size , shape and conditioning.
Dex was also right about Shawn creating buzz to keep his name relevant , He started that Digital Muscle Media looking to create controversy and views. Shawn is very good as promoting himself to be something more than what he was which was a mediocre bodybuilder.
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Beauty is in the eye of the thong holder. Shawn looks great standing by himself and then absolutely gets dwarfed standing next to just about anybody with a pro card. Great bodybuilder nonetheless, but he has no right to say anything about beating Dexter when Shawn Ray was a seasoned pro beating a newcomer who hadn’t started to peak until 4 years after Shawn’s retirement.
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Beauty is in the eye of the thong holder. Shawn looks great standing by himself and then absolutely gets dwarfed standing next to just about anybody with a pro card. Great bodybuilder nonetheless, but he has no right to say anything about beating Dexter when Shawn Ray was a seasoned pro beating a newcomer who hadn’t peaked yet.
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Ray crushes Dex, all day, any day.
Much more impressive weight trainer, too.
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Shawn is SOOO fucking overrated it's beyond laughable. Excellent physique absolutely. a great bodybuilder? NO by no fucking metric. Dex won more contests in 2008 alone than Shawn won in his entire career!!! now factor in Dex won more shows in 2004 than Shawn did his entire career and again in 2013 and in 2016. Dex has 29 wins I believe with an Sandow and Shawn won 2 fucking contests ::) ::) ::) ::) You can argue who had the better physique but under no circumstances can you argue who was the superior bodybuilder. And I personally believe Dex would beat Shawn at their respective bests.
Dexter was 100% spot-on about everything with the exception of let the 90s guys compete today and then would have trouble! The 90s guys who couldn't win were " full " and just couldn't come dialed in at that weight. So they lost to the guys who could. And it's all irrelevant because no one is weighing people on-stage. The 1990s is the highwater mark for professional bodybuilding specifically because of the size , shape and conditioning.
Dex was also right about Shawn creating buzz to keep his name relevant , He started that Digital Muscle Media looking to create controversy and views. Shawn is very good as promoting himself to be something more than what he was which was a mediocre bodybuilder.
ND you have you ever made a decision and changed your mind?
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I wonder if they will get in a fist fight
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I wonder if they will get in a fist fight
Bro...
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Bro...
Lol what? :)
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show me any version of dexdelusional jackson that beats this
dexter's most muscular is better
shawn has arguably the better looking body, but dexter would beat shawn more often than not
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ND you have you ever made a decision and changed your mind?
Yes, but when it comes to Shawn no ;D
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;D
I saw and met Yates once he was guest posing Atlantic states NYC tribeca - back in the day.
Other than Ronnie in person - it’s hard to explain just how massive Dorian was.
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Both good but Dexter could never get dry enough to beat Ray at his best, or being that dehydrated his weaknesses would stand out more especially his calves, Im a fan of both guys but modern bodybuilding and the insulin full look hides a lot weaknesses. Dexter better overall structure, but shawn just got harder and was more complete. Bodybuilding at the very top is more about what you haven't got.
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One of the best photos I have seen of Shawn Ray was from a beach shoot that had him standing in the water about mid shin depth as a small wave washed over his calves and laughing.... That was the picture of genetic perfection. If he had been 5 inches taller he would have wiped the floor with any guy out there.
If my aunty had wheels she’d be a Bike. “IF”
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I saw and met Yates once he was guest posing Atlantic states NYC tribeca - back in the day.
Other than Ronnie in person - it’s hard to explain just how massive Dorian was.
I met Dorian in 1995. I believe he was 295 at the time. His leaness made him stand out. Looked like a real animal, and he walked with authority.
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Shawn may have looked better in his prime than dex in his, but dexter has had a way more successful career. Shawn looks taller than he is though. I suppose it is how he’s built.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B-LFpstD90m/?hl=en
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One of the best photos I have seen of Shawn Ray was from a beach shoot that had him standing in the water about mid shin depth as a small wave washed over his calves and laughing.... That was the picture of genetic perfection. If he had been 5 inches taller he would have wiped the floor with any guy out there.
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Shawn is SOOO fucking overrated it's beyond laughable. Excellent physique absolutely. a great bodybuilder? NO by no fucking metric. Dex won more contests in 2008 alone than Shawn won in his entire career!!! now factor in Dex won more shows in 2004 than Shawn did his entire career and again in 2013 and in 2016. Dex has 29 wins I believe with an Sandow and Shawn won 2 fucking contests ::) ::) ::) ::) You can argue who had the better physique but under no circumstances can you argue who was the superior bodybuilder. And I personally believe Dex would beat Shawn at their respective bests.
Dexter was 100% spot-on about everything with the exception of let the 90s guys compete today and then would have trouble! The 90s guys who couldn't win were " full " and just couldn't come dialed in at that weight. So they lost to the guys who could. And it's all irrelevant because no one is weighing people on-stage. The 1990s is the highwater mark for professional bodybuilding specifically because of the size , shape and conditioning.
Dex was also right about Shawn creating buzz to keep his name relevant , He started that Digital Muscle Media looking to create controversy and views. Shawn is very good as promoting himself to be something more than what he was which was a mediocre bodybuilder.
Agreed, ^^
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Shawn's physique is better than Dorian , Ronnie , Jay , Dex ................. but they are better bodybuilders than Shawn
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1251/9383/files/Dorian_Yates_vs_Shawn_Ray.jpg?v=1483391106)
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Close, but no. He was turned more to the front and was laughing, he was not really flexing or hitting a pose, more relaxed.
It could have been from the same shoot there, but for some reason I keep thinking he had a blue posing thong on. (I could be wrong in that regard.)
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Close, but no. He was turned more to the front and was laughing, he was not really flexing or hitting a pose, more relaxed.
It could have been from the same shoot there, but for some reason I keep thinking he had a blue posing thong on. (I could be wrong in that regard.)
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Shawn's physique is better than Dorian , Ronnie , Jay , Dex ................. but they are better bodybuilders than Shawn
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1251/9383/files/Dorian_Yates_vs_Shawn_Ray.jpg?v=1483391106)
Ronnie? LOL
Watch the 1998 Mr Olympia. Ronnie sent Ray home with ego crushed
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dexter would have never beaten this beast either at his peak
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dexter would have never beaten this beast either at his peak
Until they turned around and Dexter embarrasses Gary. Dexter beats him on the side shots as well.
Dexter = GOAT.
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Not even a question... And I am no fan of Shawn!
Shawn takes the cake - doesn't have the accolades because of the competition in what was a stronger era (as would Dex not have anything next to his name if he was up against Dorian and the likes)
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Shawn's neck! :o
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I say dexter smokes Shawn.
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There's no point to these types of threads.
It's all subjective.
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Dexter said when he retires he’s not dropping below 220 pounds, sounds like a Tom prince
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Both good but Dexter could never get dry enough to beat Ray at his best, or being that dehydrated his weaknesses would stand out more especially his calves, Im a fan of both guys but modern bodybuilding and the insulin full look hides a lot weaknesses. Dexter better overall structure, but shawn just got harder and was more complete. Bodybuilding at the very top is more about what you haven't got.
Shawn has stated this whether true or not but he said he never used insulin, from his looks might be true
He just stated he’s not even on trt lol
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Great physique
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Dexter is an idiot, contradicts himself all the time, in his last interview, he states that anyone of the guys now are bigger than the 90’s and could stand toe to toe with them, says different eras can’t be compared, then proceeds to say his prime would beat Shawn’s prime.
If the 90’s era wasn’t so tough why do a lot of people (I don’t think he is imo) say flex wheeler is the best bber ever?? he never won the O, or Kevin?? Ronnie, Dorian, are in the 90’s and they are mentioned as some of the best, again, 90’s guys.
Is a prime dexter better than a prime Kevin or flex??
no he’s not prime flex and Kevin no contest, I noticed the thing dexter really pushes is because certain guys from the 1990s didn’t have shredded “glutes” that is a point of reference too say there were not “conditioned” enough too win nowadays GTFOH just take a look @ a prime flex...Ray...Yates...Lev rone...munzer...etc etc take a look @ there faces their body fat levels are so low they look like death masks but he seems too over look those things because he has a Preoperative preoccupation with how diced bodybuilders asses are
In his prime dexter was very good but imo not good enough too beat a prime Yates...Coleman...Wheele r...levrone...or Shawn Ray he’d be battling with a prime Chris Cormier for 5th or 6th place in that lineup if all things were equal (all in their respective primes)
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Both have great physiques but I don’t know how anyone thinks dexter has a better physique than shawn. I’ve never been a fan of dexters physique. Shawn just looked better.
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. I’ve never been a fan of dexters physique.
How's your Olympia prep coming along?
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Hmmm
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How's your Olympia prep coming along?
Lol ha ;D ;D :D ;D
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It’s a tough call as to who got the better physique at their all time Best
Personally I prefer shawns physique just.
It’s one of those unanswerable questions as they didn’t compete against
Each other at their respective peaks.
Let’s just say they’re both Extremely Good Physiques.
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no he’s not prime flex and Kevin no contest, I noticed the thing dexter really pushes is because certain guys from the 1990s didn’t have shredded “glutes” that is a point of reference too say there were not “conditioned” enough too win nowadays GTFOH just take a look @ a prime flex...Ray...Yates...Lev rone...munzer...etc etc take a look @ there faces their body fat levels are so low they look like death masks but he seems too over look those things because he has a Preoperative preoccupation with how diced bodybuilders asses are
In his prime dexter was very good but imo not good enough too beat a prime Yates...Coleman...Wheele r...levrone...or Shawn Ray he’d be battling with a prime Chris Cormier for 5th or 6th place in that lineup if all things were equal (all in their respective primes)
johnny he would have lost to a prime cormier as well.
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johnny he would have lost to a prime cormier as well.
1999 chris beats all versions of dexter
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1999 chris beats all versions of dexter
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you got that right , cormier should have been mr o, before that sack of shit cutler, with his 50 inch waist
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One of the best photos I have seen of Shawn Ray was from a beach shoot that had him standing in the water about mid shin depth as a small wave washed over his calves and laughing.... That was the picture of genetic perfection. If he had been 5 inches taller he would have wiped the floor with any guy out there.
He wasn't that short compared to some of the top guys. He was 5'7" (5'6" at the lowest). Vince Taylor was 5'8" at best. Levrone was 5'9" (same as Cormier). Dorian was 5'10" (same as Flex, Nasser and Ronnie....all legit, not billed heights). Dillett was the only top guy over 6'0" at the time when Ray was competing. In fact, Ray would be one of the tallest guys today if he were competing in this era of REAL manlets (where 5'7" is considered tall).
Here's Shawn and Kevin together today. Not much difference in height between the 2 of them.
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Paul is about 6-2. I am 5-9 1/2. Taken at Golds Gym, Venice in April 1991.
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I understand you are pissed Dexter, however you stooped to a low and make yourself look bad. Why go to that level. Have some class! And physique wise, Shawn beats you.
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I understand you are pissed Dexter, however you stooped to a low and make yourself look bad. Why go to that level. Have some class! And physique wise, Shawn beats you.
Just because Shawn pr*****ed your a**s is no reason to disrespect the 2008 Mr. Olympia.
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Mr Richard Jones
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Paul is about 6-2. I am 5-9 1/2. Taken at Golds Gym, Venice in April 1991.
A true giant, a monster
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A true giant, a monster
Indeed ;D
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SMASH
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Shawn competed against 6 Mr.O winners ...that's kind of impressive .
WoooSHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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Shawn competed against 6 Mr.O winners ...that's kind of impressive .
WoooSHHHHHHH TA NA KA
And lost to them all.
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Shawn competed against 6 Mr.O winners ...that's kind of impressive .
WoooSHHHHHHH TA NA KA
Not really...
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Indeed ;D
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SMASH
Crazy pic here....
To put a dwarfing on dillet like that, the angle favours ferrigno too though.
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Dex been battling people for awhile
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I posted this pic in this thread yesterday. The more I look at it. It’s clear that Dexter beats Shawn on every body part
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-LFpstD90m/?hl=en
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Bumping this. Wish these too would take the battle off of social media and bring them to the stage - thong wars are no joke! ;D
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their cocks look about the same size...
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their cocks look about the same size...
Dex is 50, literally 50 and all this thong battling contention has degraded him to the level of commenting on Shawn's alleged disconcerting penile length. Banter aside, pretty pathetic. Imagine being an outsider to bodybuilding and you see Dex, the fatherly image of conscious health and responsible bodybuilding saying this.
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Dex is 50, literally 50 and all this thong battling contention has degraded him to the level of commenting on Shawn's alleged disconcerting penile length. Banter aside, pretty pathetic. Imagine being an outsider to bodybuilding and you see Dex, the fatherly image of conscious health and responsible bodybuilding saying this.
if that were the case you wouldnt care....
And as for "fatherly image of conscious health and responsible bodybuilding" the guy has been juiced to the gills for 30 years
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Crazy pic here....
To put a dwarfing on dillet like that, the angle favours ferrigno too though.
Compare the size of Louie’s Head /Hands / Joints
He’s taller & a far larger skeletal structure
On stage Paul would likely dwarf Lou muscle to frame size.
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Not even close
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Not even close
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Post a pic of Dexter from 2005-2009 when he was in his prime.
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Post a pic of Dexter from 2005-2009 when he was in his prime.
I don't want to
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attitude and confidence /ego aside,,shawn ray's presentation/polish/physique/he was photogenic as well.other than the quest posing pic that surfaced yrs ago close to his retirement,there wasn'y many if at all bad pictures of him in his competitive career meaning he looked good at just about every angle bodypart wise.
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I don't want to
Understood. That is your prerogative.
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There is something about Ray's physique that is unappealing. I don't know if he was too blocky or narrow but I never thought he deserved the Olympia. He looked like a midget even though he was average height for a bodybuilder at the time.
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There is something about Ray's physique that is unappealing. I don't know if he was too blocky or narrow but I never thought he deserved the Olympia. He looked like a midget even though he was average height for a bodybuilder at the time.
He was stubby.
You can really see it if you watch the FLEX Magazine Workout TV show from the early 90’s.
You can see Shawn training with Levrone, Wheeler, Taylor etc. Those guys were taller and wider than Shawn
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He was stubby.
You can really see it if you watch the FLEX Magazine Workout TV show from the early 90’s.
You can Shawn training with Levrone, Wheeler, Taylor etc. Those guys were taller and wider than Shawn
I did watch that show along with Lee Haney and Cory Everson's shows. Shawn was actually pretty good although it was annoying that he acted like he didn't know anything when asking questions to the other bodybuilders. He did seem stubby next to them.
We were fortunate to have bodybuilding shows like American Muscle and those shows mentioned above. Once ESPN dumped bodybuilding no other network picked it up. I still think the IFBB and NPC should find a way to put contests on t.v. to expand their fan base. There are so many cable and satellite channels now surely they could strike a deal with someone and the supplement companies could buy the advertising so that wouldn't be a problem.
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Somebody else probably mentioned it in this thread, but people should also take into account that for 9 years of his professional career, Shawn took the entire year to focus on one bodybuilding show. Dexter would’ve probably won more than one Sandow if he did the same. I think I’d prefer to look like Ray although he’s a midge (Dex is too), but Dexter is cooler in my book and had a more impressive bodybuilding career in terms of both longevity and not only competing in multiple shows year in and year out but also winning them. In 2008, he won the Arnold, 3 Grand Prix shows, and the Olympia. That’s impressive.
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I don't want to
Hahahaha ;D
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I posted this pic in this thread yesterday. The more I look at it. It’s clear that Dexter beats Shawn on every body part
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-LFpstD90m/?hl=en
It is different eras, like saying dexter to labrada or haney, etc..
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I like Dex but Shawn Ray looked like a fucking god !!
IMO Shawn should have won a couple of Olympias.
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I like Dex but Shawn Ray looked like a fucking god !!
IMO Shawn should have won a couple of Olympias.
X100
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Dexter was good but he was a big fish in a small pond. Shawn competed against the GOAT's.
Gossiping like a 10 years old girl is not a very good look for him though, who the fuck talks about another man's flaccid penis size?
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if that were the case you wouldnt care....
And as for "fatherly image of conscious health and responsible bodybuilding" the guy has been juiced to the gills for 30 years
Okay, who's a better image for the thong donning sport then: someone like Evan Centopani, John Meadows, Jay Cutler etc OR Dexter making penis jokes... ::)
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Okay, who's a better image for the thong donning sport then: someone like Evan Centopani, John Meadows, Jay Cutler etc OR Dexter making penis jokes... ::)
Jay
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Dexter was good but he was a big fish in a small pond. Shawn competed against the GOAT's.
Gossiping like a 10 years old girl is not a very good look for him though, who the fuck talks about another man's flaccid penis size?
yup it’s a lot like comparing the late 1980s-late 1990s in boxing you had Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Ray Mercer, Razor Ruddock, Micheal Moorer, Tim Witherspoon, Chris Byrd, Ike Ibbeabichi, David Tua, even that nut job Andrew Golota could bang (below the belt or not) and throw in a couple of old school war horses in George foremen and Larry Holmes although they were past it still very competitive even over 40 and there were others....that level of competition compared too this era in the heavyweight division imo is no competition.
Like the little shit or not shawn Ray went up against the toughest era in bodybuilding and all things considered he was always in the mix for top honours against the best of the best.
I don’t think a prime dexter would beat a prime shawn Ray it’s 50/50 scenario going bye dexters criteria because he outweighed Ray bye 20-25lbs he’d “smoke him” maybe he would maybe he wouldn’t he can say that but the facts are he didn’t beat him just like Coleman never beat Yates, facts are facts you can only beat who’s infront of you @ the moment your living in not 5 years later into the future everything else is “speculation”
On the flip side Dexter Jackson is written into bodybuilding folklore winning the mr Olympia something shawn never done again you can only beat who’s in front of you @ that moment in time and the fact that dexter Jackson won the Olympia against sub par competition in 2008 isn’t his fault.
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Dexter was good but he was a big fish in a small pond. Shawn competed against the GOAT's.
Gossiping like a 10 years old girl is not a very good look for him though, who the fuck talks about another man's flaccid penis size?
Yep, I too am a grower rather than a shower! ;D
Didn't Dex take it a step further saying he'd interview girls who have allegedly seen his genitalia; for confirmation purposes? Seriously, mentally Dex is 15 - not 50.
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Yep, I too am a grower rather than a shower! ;D
Didn't Dex take it a step further saying he'd interview girls who have allegedly seen his genitalia; for confirmation purposes? Seriously, mentally Dex is 15 - not 50.
Dexter is not afraid to get down and dirty. This is not good for Shawn. Shawn likes to be controversial. But Dexter sounds like he is willing to humiliate Shawn in front of the bodybuilding world.
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First, we have COVID19.
Then, Dexters two inch penis.
What horrible news will we receive next?
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I like Dex but Shawn Ray looked like a fucking god !!
IMO Shawn should have won a couple of Olympias.
What years do you think he should have won the O?
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There's no point to these types of threads.
It's all subjective.
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I think both are great! Dexter looks just insane for his age.
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What years do you think he should have won the O?
I don't think he deserved any.... He got dwarfed, shape can only get you so far.
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I don't think he deserved any.... He got dwarfed, shape can only get you so far.
I agree.
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What years do you think he should have won the O?
This year
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358591)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=310733.0;attach=358590;image)
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He wins in those pictures. I would like to watch a video of the contest. Year?
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prime dexter would have been lucky to place in the top 8 in the 90's no way this lil dwarf could beat , flex, levrone, yates, coleman,nassar, dillett, etc
Actually, Dex has beaten all those guys (except Yates). Granted, he got Ronnie after Ronnie lost the O to Jay Cutler.
I don't think he deserved any.... He got dwarfed, shape can only get you so far.
Ferrigno dwarfed Yates in 1993. Yet, Yates had better shape. However, Yates looked horrible in 1994. I don't care how much of a size difference there was between him and Ray. Being water-logged, with a belly, and 11/2 arms, shouldn't give you straight firsts at the Olympia.
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Shawn is SOOO fucking overrated it's beyond laughable. Excellent physique absolutely. a great bodybuilder? NO by no fucking metric. Dex won more contests in 2008 alone than Shawn won in his entire career!!! now factor in Dex won more shows in 2004 than Shawn did his entire career and again in 2013 and in 2016. Dex has 29 wins I believe with an Sandow and Shawn won 2 fucking contests ::) ::) ::) ::) You can argue who had the better physique but under no circumstances can you argue who was the superior bodybuilder. And I personally believe Dex would beat Shawn at their respective bests.
Dexter was 100% spot-on about everything with the exception of let the 90s guys compete today and then would have trouble! The 90s guys who couldn't win were " full " and just couldn't come dialed in at that weight. So they lost to the guys who could. And it's all irrelevant because no one is weighing people on-stage. The 1990s is the highwater mark for professional bodybuilding specifically because of the size , shape and conditioning.
Dex was also right about Shawn creating buzz to keep his name relevant , He started that Digital Muscle Media looking to create controversy and views. Shawn is very good as promoting himself to be something more than what he was which was a mediocre bodybuilder.
You must remember that Shawn Ray competed in an era, where a lot of bodybuilders just went from Olympia to Olympia. Back then (and until 2003), placing top 10 at the O qualified you for the next year's O.
Ray had already won two of the other top three contests (IronMan Invitational and the Arnold Classic). And he was set, money-wise, with his Weider contract. So, in his mind, the only thing left winning the Olympia. That's also why he turned down a gig with the WBF (especially with his buddy, Troy Zuccolotto, being offered $50,000 more per year, despite his not having competed as a pro vs. Ray's 3rd-place finish at the 1990 Olympia).
Dexter does have the one title that Ray does not: Mr. Olympia. Unlike Ray, Dex knocked the defending champion off his perch, when that defending champion was considerably off the mark.
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Actually, Dex has beaten all those guys (except Yates). Granted, he got Ronnie after Ronnie lost the O to Jay Cutler.
Ferrigno dwarfed Yates in 1993. Yet, Yates had better shape. However, Yates looked horrible in 1994. I don't care how much of a size difference there was between him and Ray. Being water-logged, with a belly, and 11/2 arms, shouldn't give you straight firsts at the Olympia.
Options vary - Judging a low level show can be tough & as the level of competition raises
& the quality & size of the competitors improves it becomes tougher, Though the Top
Few 1- 6 are usually easy to spot especially as the judging rounds & comparison progress.
Trying to judge / evaluate who should & shouldn't of won or placed where is Extremely
Difficult from pics - and a little better from Quality videos, Nothing like the same as being
Sat front & centre where the judges sit.
Now I’m not going to say there aren’t some odd results/ placings, as a judge for NABBA
I can categorically State I’ve never been approached by anybody to place a competitor
In a certain place or show them favouritism & I’ve not been aware of any other judges
Being approached.
I’ve certainly seen & found some decisions not to my liking / judging only that why there’s
A panel of judges & a head judge to make sure the judging is fair anyone vastly out of
Sync with the others would be asked why their seeing things so differently & could be
Replaced.
Go be a judge ( if your not one already ) & report back how easy it is.
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Options vary - Judging a low level show can be tough & as the level of competition raises
& the quality & size of the competitors improves it becomes tougher, Though the Top
Few 1- 6 are usually easy to spot especially as the judging rounds & comparison progress.
Trying to judge / evaluate who should & shouldn't of won or placed where is Extremely
Difficult from pics - and a little better from Quality videos, Nothing like the same as being
Sat front & centre where the judges sit.
Now I’m not going to say there aren’t some odd results/ placings, as a judge for NABBA
I can categorically State I’ve never been approached by anybody to place a competitor
In a certain place or show them favouritism & I’ve not been aware of any other judges
Being approached.
I’ve certainly seen & found some decisions not to my liking / judging only that why there’s
A panel of judges & a head judge to make sure the judging is fair anyone vastly out of
Sync with the others would be asked why their seeing things so differently & could be
Replaced.
Go be a judge ( if your not one already ) & report back how easy it is.
I respect your point of view. But, no way am I buying Dorian Yates, winning the 1994 Mr. Olympia with straight firsts across the board.
If there were any Olympia that should have gone to a Shawn Ray, it's that one.
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Okay, who's a better image for the thong donning sport then: someone like Evan Centopani, John Meadows, Jay Cutler etc OR Dexter making penis jokes... ::)
No one outside the thong donning sport gives a flying fuck about the thong donning sport, it doesnt matter who creates an image for it
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Structure and conditioning wise, Shawn Ray is better than Dexter. He may be one of the best of all time actually. Sure the guys nowadays are bigger, but they sacrifice conditioning due to the use of insulin and synthol. Look at the comparison above, Dexter’s conditioning is nowhere near Shawn’s.
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I wonder who wins in a fight
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I respect your point of view. But, no way am I buying Dorian Yates, winning the 1994 Mr. Olympia with straight firsts across the board.
If there were any Olympia that should have gone to a Shawn Ray, it's that one.
He may of got straight 1sts because of the judging system used - (I don’t know
What system was used)- At a guess he was judged 1st in each round not 1st in each
Pose - so he was judged the best in each round as an overall physique is my Guess.
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I respect your point of view. But, no way am I buying Dorian Yates, winning the 1994 Mr. Olympia with straight firsts across the board.
If there were any Olympia that should have gone to a Shawn Ray, it's that one.
I actually don't think he won with straight firsts. However considering both the high and low scores are tossed out it's very easy for him to win with straight firsts. Shawn wasn't even in the fight for first place. He was actually behind Kevin Leverone after the prejudging, Shawn wasn't closer to Dorian ever.
In some sense of the " this is what the best built bodybuilder on the planet should look like " you can make a case for Shawn , but according to how the IFBB judged contests Dorian was the clear winner and Shawn wasn't even close.
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Can somebody tell me what the penis comment was ???
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I actually don't think he won with straight firsts. However considering both the high and low scores are tossed out it's very easy for him to win with straight firsts. Shawn wasn't even in the fight for first place. He was actually behind Kevin Leverone after the prejudging, Shawn wasn't closer to Dorian ever.
In some sense of the " this is what the best built bodybuilder on the planet should look like " you can make a case for Shawn , but according to how the IFBB judged contests Dorian was the clear winner and Shawn wasn't even close.
Therein lies my point. The idea that Dorian Yates was SOOOOOO far ahead of Shawn Ray that Yates could show up looking that awful, yet still end up winning, is patently absurd.
How do you win a symmetry round with 11/2 arms? How do you win the proportion round with that bloated waist that diminished your legs (and that withered arm even more)?
Since this thread is about Dexter Jackson and Shawn Ray, I make the observation that Cutler looked better (or less worse) against Jackson in 2008 than Yates did against Ray in 1994.
Yet, Jackson has a Sandow but Ray doesn't. Then again, Ray competed in the era(s) where all the reigning Mr. O had to do was show up with a pulse and he'd win another title.
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Therein lies my point. The idea that Dorian Yates was SOOOOOO far ahead of Shawn Ray that Yates could show up looking that awful, yet still end up winning, is patently absurd.
How do you win a symmetry round with 11/2 arms? How do you win the proportion round with that bloated waist that diminished your legs (and that withered arm even more)?
Since this thread is about Dexter Jackson and Shawn Ray, I make the observation that Cutler looked better (or less worse) against Jackson in 2008 than Yates did against Ray in 1994.
Yet, Jackson has a Sandow but Ray doesn't. Then again, Ray competed in the era(s) where all the reigning Mr. O had to do was show up with a pulse and he'd win another title.
Therein lies my point. The idea that Dorian Yates was SOOOOOO far ahead of Shawn Ray that Yates could show up looking that awful, yet still end up winning, is patently absurd.
In terms of the judging criteria he was so far ahead of Ray and everyone else.
How do you win a symmetry round with 11/2 arms? How do you win the proportion round with that bloated waist that diminished your legs (and that withered arm even more)?
Easy when you consider this. All rounds are physique rounds. The " symmetry round " is a misnomer because people think that only " symmetry " is being judged and it's not because All rounds are physique rounds. Meaning ALL of the criteria is being judged at the same time. symmetry AND muscular bulk AND balance AND proportion AND posing AND presentation AND density AND dryness. ALL of the criteria is accessed at once. Not just symmetry. So while Shawn has an advantage in " symmetry " he doesn't have an advantage in ALL of the rest.
The head judge actually commented on Dorian's injury and said it made " no overall difference " He could have easily lost the poses where it would matter , front double biceps pose and standing relaxed ( 2 poses he wasn't really that outstanding in ) and still win the contest. He could lose a few poses and still win with straight firsts because the high and low scores are tossed out for the average.
The simple fact is it wasn't really close in 1994. Shawn was actually behind Kevin at the end of prejudging and only pulled ahead in the night show.
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In terms of the judging criteria he was so far ahead of Ray and everyone else.
Easy when you consider this. All rounds are physique rounds. The " symmetry round " is a misnomer because people think that only " symmetry " is being judged and it's not because All rounds are physique rounds. Meaning ALL of the criteria is being judged at the same time. symmetry AND muscular bulk AND balance AND proportion AND posing AND presentation AND density AND dryness. ALL of the criteria is accessed at once. Not just symmetry. So while Shawn has an advantage in " symmetry " he doesn't have an advantage in ALL of the rest.
The head judge actually commented on Dorian's injury and said it made " no overall difference " He could have easily lost the poses where it would matter , front double biceps pose and standing relaxed ( 2 poses he wasn't really that outstanding in ) and still win the contest. He could lose a few poses and still win with straight firsts because the high and low scores are tossed out for the average.
The simple fact is it wasn't really close in 1994. Shawn was actually behind Kevin at the end of prejudging and only pulled ahead in the night show.
the quarter turns are supposed to be about balance and symmetry and the structure and flow of a physique, the compulsories are about the size and muscularity, the free posing is supposed to be how you display it.
thats how it should be, but it clearly isnt
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:)
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Dexter wins because his back is absolutely better than Shawn’s. Dexter has great lats and traps. He is too wide and too thick for Shawn.
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In terms of the judging criteria he was so far ahead of Ray and everyone else.
Easy when you consider this. All rounds are physique rounds. The " symmetry round " is a misnomer because people think that only " symmetry " is being judged and it's not because All rounds are physique rounds. Meaning ALL of the criteria is being judged at the same time. symmetry AND muscular bulk AND balance AND proportion AND posing AND presentation AND density AND dryness. ALL of the criteria is accessed at once. Not just symmetry. So while Shawn has an advantage in " symmetry " he doesn't have an advantage in ALL of the rest.
The head judge actually commented on Dorian's injury and said it made " no overall difference " He could have easily lost the poses where it would matter , front double biceps pose and standing relaxed ( 2 poses he wasn't really that outstanding in ) and still win the contest. He could lose a few poses and still win with straight firsts because the high and low scores are tossed out for the average.
The simple fact is it wasn't really close in 1994. Shawn was actually behind Kevin at the end of prejudging and only pulled ahead in the night show.
Dryness? You could almost literally WRING the water out of Yates' skin. And proportion? That bloated waist of Yates made his legs look smaller. The only thing Yates had on Ray (in that contest) was size.
Again, this was the era where incumbent Mr. Os just didn't get beat, no matter how badly they looked that day. That all changed in 2006 when Ronnie Coleman finally fell to Jay Cutler. And even THERE, Coleman didn't look as awful against Cutler as Yates did against Ray.
The only time I've seen a defending Mr. O look about as good as he did previous year but still lose was 2009. Dex looked great. But Jay Cutler just got his mojo back and looked unreal.