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From MilosSarcev.com (http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=4876.30 (http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=4876.30)
All I can say is that I'm overwhelmed by the incredible kindness shown to me on this site!!!! I appreciate all the kind words from everyone, and Milos, your words take the sting off of the show.I don't have words for how I feel today...
If balance, symmetry, proportion, and having some skill as a poser, I can only wonder what bodybuilding judging is about...when I didn't get a call for the top 5, I knew they didnt' want me to stand next to Bob or anyone in the top 5 so I couldn't give them a run for their money as I can nonly guess...predetermined choices..?? I guess I'm out of the loop...considering I've never said a bad word to anyone in the sport, I can only imagine the rumor mill must work overtime...and by the way, if this interests anyoneabout my former modeling days... at a prior check in at a show unmentionable...two of the judges asked if I had any of my old nudie calenders coming out this year, so I think the nude posing never hurt me...not like this show did!!!
I busted my ass, maybe peaked a couple of days early, but soft...NOT. I'll be sharper next time, I don't know when THAT will be, but considering I pay my own way to these things, it might take a while to save up again.
OK!! Got that off my chest...again, thanks to everyones comments, it means more than I can express. I'll post a couple of pics from SoCal Photographer and my wife later this evening.
Rusty Jeffers
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but considering I pay my own way to these things, it might take a while to save up again.
hmm what a great career being a pro bodybuilder is. ::)
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:( very sad
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I think the mustache dropped his placing quite substantually
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The bottom line is the IFBB is afraid to associate themselves with boybuilders that do naked modeling in fears of looking bad to the public. If pros were compensated better they wouldn't have to do gay for pay.
Rusty isn't the only one. There's Mark Dugdale, Johnny Jackson and a bunch of others who are on that muscle gallery website intended for gay guys that pictures were posted on here from.
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BBing is so damn rigged :(
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The bottom line is the IFBB is afraid to associate themselves with boybuilders that do naked modeling in fears of looking bad to the public.
Not even close. The "public" has no idea who or what these guys do even if they did care and they don't.
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public as in bb fans, dude.
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Much respect Rusty you got screwed and we all know it............
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Rusty, you are taking all of this with serious dignity and class. Let that be a lesson to the dickheads that screwed you over.
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Lets see if I can get a "judge" on here to explain....for the millionth time!
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Great post, Rusty. I hope that this does not have an adverse affect on your training and future competitive plans.
I have a good feeling that you might be getting some decent guest posing invites to some of the local NPC contests soon.
I did not attend the contest but your photos were damn impressive and it is good to see that you are not useing this board to advertise your grievences about the outcome and I hope you arn't holding any hostilities against Bob either.
You made a lot of new fans on here and elsewhere, Rusty, so I hope that helps sooth over the wounds so to speak. Best to ya and keep on being a contender and a great athlete. You looked great.
I don't kow if Milos prepped ya, but congrats to Milos too if he played a part. Great job, Milos!!!
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public as in bb fans, dude.
OK, but it seems like the fans don't care.
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OK, but it seems like the fans don't care.
Neither do judges!
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Neither do judges!
I meant that the fans don't care about what Rusty does on his own time. You're right about what you said though.
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I meant that the fans don't care about what Rusty does on his own time. You're right about what you said though.
they care when it's someone they don't really like. or did you miss tom prince getting destroyed for his colt posing? don't forget the number of times johnnie jackson has been ripped up for his muscle gallery thing. the only reason some people aren't commenting about rusty is that they wanted to see him beat bob.
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Has anyone noticed that Bob isn't on here gloating or bragging about his "win" or saying "I told ya so"? With all smack he was saying on the boards and appearances at previous shows you would think he would be.
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Has anyone noticed that Bob isn't on here gloating or bragging about his "win" or saying "I told ya so"? With all smack he was saying on the boards and appearances at previous shows you would think he would be.
Really, this win is tainted for Bob, thanks to the boards, the live broadcast, and the fact that people are talking about it.
Bob offered to bet on the outcome of this show. That probably should have said it all right there.
People see the integrity of this win as a reflection on the integrity of Bob. How can he represent athletes like Rusty when he took part in Rusty being screwed?
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Has anyone noticed that Bob isn't on here gloating or bragging about his "win" or saying "I told ya so"? With all smack he was saying on the boards and appearances at previous shows you would think he would be.
Yes, I also noticed that he seemed to walk a little funny after the show...almost like he was________ in the_________as a thank you to____________for giving him the first place trophy.
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Really, this win is tainted for Bob, thanks to the boards, the live broadcast, and the fact that people are talking about it.
Bob offered to bet on the outcome of this show. That probably should have said it all right there.
People see the integrity of this win as a reflection on the integrity of Bob. How can he represent athletes like Rusty when he took part in Rusty being screwed?
I didn't judge, genius....
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The bottom line is the IFBB is afraid to associate themselves with boybuilders that do naked modeling in fears of looking bad to the public.
yet being charged with posession with intent to distribute doesn't seem to be a problem...
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If you feel the judging was awful at the Master's Pro, and that Bob Chick received a gift and/or Rusty got screwed, please take this invitation to change your avatar to a clown.
click on your profile, and in the white box that says "I have my own avatar", place this address below (or another clown of your choice!):
http://www.gipsyland.com/cardimages/animatedVI/clown.gif
Make it so that when judges, athletes, promoters, or other fans visit the board, they'll know immediately how many people here disapprove of the IFBB judging and the way the Masters Pro was judged.
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You know - once again - I don't think 99% of the people who saw the show live and on the webcast would argue that Bob didn't win this show. He did, fair and square. No conspiracy - no favors from the IFBB - no favors from bodybuilding.com
He won the show, via a weak lineup, but still, he won the show fair and square. And it you cant get that into your heads, then you are just fooling yourselves.
And then he gives $1,000 special fan prize money to Shawn Ray's CHOC. For those of you who don't know what that is, it is Children's Hospital of Orange County. For the kids who really need it. Damn, now that was cool. A professional bodybuilding actually doing something good in the business.
But still, some of you think it is a ploy.
A conspiracy.
Now while I agree on some things, this obviously is not - and it makes some of you look real bad in thinking so.
Now - as for Rusty Jeffers - that is a whole different story - and many, many people agree that he should of been in the top 5, at least compared to some of the top guys there.
But that has nothing to do with Chick.
Milos once complained that there weren't enough comparisons. Since I wasnt at the show, do we have what the comparisons were for round 1 & 2???
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Ron, for many of the fans...
If you can agree that the judging was shady as far as Jeffers, it casts a shadow of doubt upon ALL of the judging results of the contest. Sure, Bob probably deserved the win. But the win is less than legitimate when even Bob admits the judging was weird.
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You know - once again - I don't think 99% of the people who saw the show live and on the webcast would argue that Bob didn't win this show. He did, fair and square. No conspiracy - no favors from the IFBB - no favors from bodybuilding.com
He won the show, via a weak lineup, but still, he won the show fair and square. And it you cant get that into your heads, then you are just fooling yourselves.
And then he gives $1,000 special fan prize money to Shawn Ray's CHOC. For those of you who don't know what that is, it is Children's Hospital of Orange County. For the kids who really need it. Damn, now that was cool. A professional bodybuilding actually doing something good in the business.
But still, some of you think it is a ploy.
A conspiracy.
Now while I agree on some things, this obviously is not - and it makes some of you look real bad in thinking so.
Now - as for Rusty Jeffers - that is a whole different story - and many, many people agree that he should of been in the top 5, at least compared to some of the top guys there.
But that has nothing to do with Chick.
Milos once complained that there weren't enough comparisons. Since I wasnt at the show, do we have what the comparisons were for round 1 & 2???
I realize Chick didn't have anything to do with the judging, IT'S THE JUDGES!!
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rusty seems like a good guy, he certainly deserved a higher placing, its too bad he god screwed. that said bob didnt look bad or 'get ow ned' based on what ive seen. i dont have a problem with bob winning, but if he got first, then rusty surely deserved second.
who the fuck edited my post? i didnt say anything wrong!
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Ron, for many of the fans...
If you can agree that the judging was shady as far as Jeffers, it casts a shadow of doubt upon ALL of the judging results of the contest. Sure, Bob probably deserved the win. But the win is less than legitimate when even Bob admits the judging was weird.
The judging is "weird" at any BB show that has ever been put on, for Christs sake....
I'M the one who submitted for a mandatory number of comparisons per round....This REALLY cracks me up.
When they placed Titus ahead of me, despite never comparing us...I complained about the lack of comparisond...IN THE TOP 5 spots, at that....and the internet crew came flaming..."quit being a poor sport....", "Just take your placing like a man, and quit bitching...."
Make up your minds....
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Bob, will you be making any waves on behalf of Rusty, who got screwed?
As athletes rep, isn't it important to you that a contestant's past might affect his placing? That angers you, right?
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The judging is "weird" at any BB show that has ever been put on, for Christs sake....
I'M the one who submitted for a mandatory number of comparisons per round....This REALLY cracks me up.
When they placed Titus ahead of me, despite never comparing us...I complained about the lack of comparisond...IN THE TOP 5 spots, at that....and the internet crew came flaming..."quit being a poor sport....", "Just take your placing like a man, and quit bitching...."
Make up your minds....
Chick,
I think you should be thankful that Titus won that show. Who knows where you'd be right now if you switched placings with him.
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Chick,
I think you should be thankful that Titus won that show. Who knows where you'd be right now if you switched placings with him.
Yep.
Chick might have ended up with a girl who could spell 'kerosene' :)
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I agree that Rusty should of placed higher. I think many do. Even some judges agree that he should of placed higher. And Chick should raise a case for why Rusty wasnt compared enough.
That being said, I need to see who was compared to who, and since I wasn't there, I don't have that.
Again, one of the judges said that Rusty was soft, which is why he lost a few placings. And others were harder. Could he have seen him in the top 5. No doubt. But sometimes things are overlooked. Ask Garrett Downing on that one.
Was it a conspiracy to keep Rusty down. I don't think so.
And I someone told me that we would be argueing if a guy that got 8th should of placed 5th a week ago, I would of been amused.
Johnnie Stewart, Pavol Jabonicky, Calude Groulx all werent in the best shape either...
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Bob, will you be making any waves on behalf of Rusty, who got screwed?
As athletes rep, isn't it important to you that a contestant's past might affect his placing? That angers you, right?
No, I won't. If Rusty thinks he got a raw deal...he can complain himself. There is no proof his past affected his placing whatsoever.
Quite contrary....If it's his past you think was a factor in his placing...he would have never been "allowed" to place runner-up at the Nationals to Chris Cook, Nor be "allowed" to win the Masters, nor be "allowed" to turn professional in the first place....
How unique, a competitor thought he should have placed higher at a BB show...go figure.
My Mother thinks I should have won every show I've ever been in...what does that mean??
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I agree that Rusty should of placed higher. I think many do. Even some judges agree that he should of placed higher. And Chick should raise a case for why Rusty wasnt compared enough.
That being said, I need to see who was compared to who, and since I wasn't there, I don't have that.
Again, one of the judges said that Rusty was soft, which is why he lost a few placings. And others were harder. Could he have seen him in the top 5. No doubt. But sometimes things are overlooked. Ask Garrett Downing on that one.
Was it a conspiracy to keep Rusty down. I don't think so.
And I someone told me that we would be argueing if a guy that got 8th should of placed 5th a week ago, I would of been amused.
Johnnie Stewart, Pavol Jabonicky, Calude Groulx all werent in the best shape either...
Claude Groulx had no business in the top 5, that guy has a gut that is the envy of Greg Kovacs and Dave Palumbo, not to mention all the symmetry of a wrecked '78 Pinto.
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My Mother thinks I should have won every show I've ever been in...what does that mean??
Being delusional is hereditary?
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Being delusional is hereditary?
Are you talking about my Mother?
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Are you talking about my Mother?
Dude, lets not start trading "your momma's so...." jokes, I've got an entire book full of them so we'll be here all night.
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Are you talking about my Mother?
You brought her into the conversation, Bob.
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Are you talking about my Mother?
ooooooohhh haha chick just got slammmeeddd. but seriously bob....you dont agree that rusty should have AT LEAST been 2nd?...i mean, your right; bodybuildewrs are often not in the right place...but not by 7-8 spots!!
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my mom and my grandma think im better looking than brad pitt
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Second...no. If I were placing based on what I could see on stage, etc. I would have had Pavol in 2, Rusty should have been compared to 3,4,5...I also had Nate Wonsley higher.
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Thank god my mom is dead. It took her a whole year to die and an awful allot of money too. Thanks to her my inheritance was allot lower than it should have been. Thanks mom.
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come on guys stop being so hard on Chick !
He wasn't judging the show.
It is not his fault is Rusty got screwed.
Now If Rusty isn't happy with his placing he should complain to bob or manion or whoever is in charge.
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come on guys stop being so hard on Chick !
He wasn't judging the show.
It is not his fault is Rusty got screwed.
Now If Rusty isn't happy with his placing he should complain to bob or manion or whoever is in charge.
That's just the point, Bob and Manion are in charge!!!
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I didn't say that Bob is in charge !
Well he is in charge of the athletes and I suppose that if an athlete have a problem with the Ifbb, Bob will represent him
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I wouldn't expect Chick to say Rusty should be higher than 3rd because the judges wouldn't let Rusty close enough to Bob for him to get a close look.
But for Ron to sit here and say 99% of the people think Chick won fair and square when an unofficial getbig.com poll had twice as many people thinking Rusty deserved to win is just plain dishonest. Please Ron, tell us that the photos we're looking at are lies. Tell us that Bob was harder than Rusty even though Rusty had better separation and better abs. Try to convince us that even the most casual BB fan wouldn't take one look at the photos and determine that Rusty had the best overall package.
I thought there were a bunch of conspiracy loonies on this site until Ron told us all that we're blind and dumb. Now I'm convinced that the Manion-Ron-Chick Complex is second to the Military-Industrial Complex in its shadiness.
Special "Sad But True" Ed
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Special Ed,
Just talk to the people who were in the audience at the NY Pro. Talk to the photographers who shot the pics there. Talk to the fans there. They are unbiased. And if you think that we all agree with everyone, no way. But in this case, even 240 agrees with me. Stop looking at pics that are not justified. Go back and look at the replay video from the show.
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Quite contrary....If it's his past you think was a factor in his placing...he would have never been "allowed" to place runner-up at the Nationals to Chris Cook, Nor be "allowed" to win the Masters, nor be "allowed" to turn professional in the first place....
Back then, only the gay judges would know who he was. I doubt he was on Manion's radar back then. Now, everyone knows his past.
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But for Ron to sit here and say 99% of the people think Chick won fair and square when an unofficial getbig.com poll had twice as many people thinking Rusty deserved to win is just plain dishonest.
whether someone deserves first or second is always going to be debatable when judging is really just based on looks. that's not the issue here. it's that someone came in 8th rather than 1st or 2nd.
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Bob won cause he had a better haircut!
He said it himself on The fit show that that would get him the win.
Are you talking about my Mother?
Would you like to?
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I just like not being a part of being bashed by Chic. My ass is just now getting better. By the way Rusty got ripped off. I find it intersting that someone like Stewart who has a very checkered past is even allowed to compete. And he looked like crap compared to Rusty. I think the scorecards should be hooked up to the internet so whatever the judges put is what everyone sees. Then it would make it harder for any hanky panky to go on. And that is a very very simple procedure. Also from what I read on here alone says the crowd was horribkle at this show. Anyhow I am actually happy for Chic. I'd rather see him win than Shawn.
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I just like not being a part of being bashed by Chic. My ass is just now getting better. By the way Rusty got ripped off. I find it intersting that someone like Stewart who has a very checkered past is even allowed to compete. And he looked like crap compared to Rusty. I think the scorecards should be hooked up to the internet so whatever the judges put is what everyone sees. Then it would make it harder for any hanky panky to go on. And that is a very very simple procedure. Also from what I read on here alone says the crowd was horribkle at this show. Anyhow I am actually happy for Chic. I'd rather see him win than Shawn.
I think it's great that someone that Johnny Stewart is allowed to compete.
It's a physique competition. Not a personality contest.
YIP
Zack
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rusty the night before the show...
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aww.. BAyGBM is going to like this one.... the shot of Rusty .
People may be overestimating the importance of this contest. And in many ways, Bob Chick will be long forgotten as a foot note in history as the winner of the contest in which RUSTY JEFFERS got royally screwed over....
Rusty should make all attempts to capitalize on his non-win in much the same way that Tom Platz made huge inroads in his non win of the 81 Olympia. Platz actually finished 3rd. Columbu's win is barely mentioned. People think Platz finished second- not third and anyway, it doesn't matter: the publicity generated by the obvious shaft given to Platz more than compensated for his placement. He still would rather have won the show. The Olympia is far more important in bb that whatever the hell this specific show is called.
Just as in that earlier contest, neither of the winners ( Chick or Columbu ) had anything to do with the judges although both were rather friendly with all of them. Its a small world in the upper echelons of bodybuilding. There may be a case for some sort of collusion with Chick's win vis-a-vis athletes' rep etc but it hardly matters.
It isn't that Chick won: it's that the judging was a joke if not completley horrible for the rest of the placements.
Most people ( except 240 and perhaps a few others) can accept Bob's win. He did look pretty good!
It is the fact that a man who was a clear third and perhaps 2nd ( Jeffers ) was placed 8th!!?? And he wasn't even compared to the top guy?
It is clear arrogance on the part of the judges to just assume that no one will question their choices. Just for the sake of posterity, some side by side, pose for pose comparisons should have been done so that no one can say that the option wasn't available.
If that were to have been done, and Bob Chick still won, then okay, people could justifiably be upset or cool with it. There are always upsets and choices made in bodybuilding that are not always agreed upon. And the audience doesn't always agree with them.
But to have not even attempted to make the comparisons..... holy smokes.... what were they smoking???
Rusty- start charging big bucks for your guest appearances, AND APPEAR IN GREAT SHAPE when you do them. Your future is assured if you can capitalize on this fiasco.
Bob- a good win. congratulations.
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Again, one of the judges said that Rusty was soft, which is why he lost a few placings.
That "judge" is full of shite.
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You know - once again - I don't think 99% of the people who saw the show live and on the webcast would argue that Bob didn't win this show. He did, fair and square. No conspiracy - no favors from the IFBB - no favors from bodybuilding.com
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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In that above pic Chic as literally no delts. His abs aren't even close to Rusty's. No tri's either. I am very surprised (not really) their were no comparisons with Chic and Rusty. I do know why, because after annoucing Chic as the winner after actually seeing them side by side the place would have gone crazy and the judges would have had to be lead out with guards. Please someone post all the mandatory poses of each Chic and Rusty side by side. As I admit this contest is not judged on pictures but pictures do tell a story and if anything Chic would have the advantage because he is photogenic. So if Rusty loos better than Chic as he does in the above pic then well call for a recount. And don't let Manion use his special calculator.
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Thank god my mom is dead. It took her a whole year to die and an awful allot of money too. Thanks to her my inheritance was allot lower than it should have been. Thanks mom.
that's mean
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Honestly, based on the prejudging and finals pics Bob probably did win that show, which had a very weak lineup.
Pavol probably got second, and Rusty should have been compared to place in 3,4,5.
Obviously Claude Groulx looked like a huge bag of shit (muscle, distention and veins) and represented what is totally wrong with some bodybuilding today. (no thought on symmetry whatsoever).
I wouldn't be so pissed at Bob placing first, but rather Claude Groulx finishing in the top 10!!!
He got the gift placing, and Jeffers did deserve to be higher....but what can you do?
Go watch a PDI SHOW? ::)
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that's mean
It is. I mean, why would a women want to put her son through all that?
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i feel bad because he got used but i do not need to see pictures of his wife...tmi already.
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Honestly, based on the prejudging and finals pics Bob probably did win that show, which had a very weak lineup.
Pavol probably got second, and Rusty should have been compared to place in 3,4,5.
Obviously Claude Groulx looked like a huge bag of shit (muscle, distention and veins) and represented what is totally wrong with some bodybuilding today. (no thought on symmetry whatsoever).
I wouldn't be so pissed at Bob placing first, but rather Claude Groulx finishing in the top 10!!!
He got the gift placing, and Jeffers did deserve to be higher....but what can you do?
Go watch a PDI SHOW? ::)
somehow my comment to this quote was lost when i submitted it.
oh well.
Ether,
this is exactly the point that most people are making. Not that Bob won, as there has to be a winner: but that Rusty was essentially ignored. And that some other placings are suspect.
Claude Groulx looked horrid- for one thing.
No comparisons with Jeffers and Bob. - that is beyond strange.
The bullshit alleged comment from the one judge who said Jeffers was 'soft" smells that a cover up.
the judges should just admit that they screwed up and that would be that.
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Guys...no matter how much we all bitch and moan...what's done is done
Bob had alot of momentum going into the show and he won. Case closed.
Onto other things...is it true that competitors are not allowed to have facial hair? I read this somewhere on another post?
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Damn, the show is over. Bob won (congtatulations), Rusty got eighth ( he should have placed higher), better luck next time. Nothing anyone says will ever change the results, can everyone just put this to rest and get on with life. Like Bob said it is a bodybuilding show. and in the eyes of the public someone always gets screwed (oh well). Time to move on.
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Guys...no matter how much we all bitch and moan...what's done is done
Bob had alot of momentum going into the show and he won. Case closed.
Onto other things...is it true that competitors are not allowed to have facial hair? I read this somewhere on another post?
yes he was picked the 'winner' by corrupt judges just like judges at local dragshows
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No, I won't. If Rusty thinks he got a raw deal...he can complain himself.
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the comments.....Rusty isn't the only one who thinks he got a raw deal!
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Bob you have seen the pictures...do you think you look better than Rusty? Please explain your thinking to us.
-sS
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onlyme..
Is that you with a bear on your avatar?
What's the story behind that?
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Rusty sort of looks like G Gordon Liddy with that mustache :) It does suck that he got placed so low.
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Bob had alot of momentum going into the show and he won.
Momentum from what? Winning the Arnold? The Ironman? Placing top 10 at the Olympia?
Ohhhh, I see. Bob won the Momentum Round which I think takes place between the Symmetry Round and the Muscularity Round.
From the IFBB Judging Guidelines (Section VII (a) (iii)):
"The Momentum Round is judged based on what the bodybuilders have been doing lately. The judges should use the following criteria in determining Momentum: 1) Recent appearances on television denying steroid use or bodybuilding contributed to a murder; (2) Recent appearances on Bodybuilding websites showing the glamorous and healthy lifestyle of Professional Bodybuilding; (3) Recent expressions of undying devotion and support for the IFBB and NPC; and (4) Recent photos showing overtly heterosexual expressions of lust."
Special "Getting the Blood out of the Clownsuit" Ed
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Regardless of the outcome of the contest, Bob was going to be skewered by certain people on getbig either way. He's damned if he did and damned if he didn't. If he hadn't won after predicting victory, he'd never hear the end of it.
It's a bit of a stretch to call Chick's victory "tainted" though. That's just more baiting and it's not a legitimate argument. Bob won fair and square. Although like many others, I think it's obvious that Jeffers should've been in the top 5 at the very least. Rusty looked a helluva lot better than most if not all of the guys who placed higher than him, and as others have pointed out, no one was truly in their best condition for the Masters Worlds.
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yes he was picked the 'winner' by corrupt judges just like judges at local dragshows
Who were the judges for this show? Their names should be posted for all to see (and remember), if for no other reason than we know who has no credibility next time.
Doom disapproves.
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Rusty looked great and should have been top two, from what I saw. There must have been something at the show that we didn't see.
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I can explain one thing....the ONE picture you people keep posting says nothiing to me other than, I'm not even in the pose yet. Anyone who has seen me hit a lat spread knows I bring my elbows WAY further forward when in the pose...I'm either going into the pose, or coming out of it...
This is why we actually have to SHOW UP and compete....LIVE. Shit, If I knew we would go by pictures...I could've saved myself a whole bunch of money and just sent in MY best shots, they could've picked a winner from those......
Watch the video..says it all.
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I can explain one thing....the ONE picture you people keep posting says nothiing to me other than, I'm not even in the pose yet. Anyone who has seen me hit a lat spread knows I bring my elbows WAY further forward when in the pose...I'm either going into the pose, or coming out of it...
This is why we actually have to SHOW UP and compete....LIVE. Shit, If I knew we would go by pictures...I could've saved myself a whole bunch of money and just sent in MY best shots, they could've picked a winner from those......
Watch the video..says it all.
Yeah, I know, I like the picture where your chest isn't even flexed yet and they are saying that it's proof that you are soft ::) Too many silly kids on this site that know nothing about bodybuilding.
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I can explain one thing....the ONE picture you people keep posting says nothiing to me other than, I'm not even in the pose yet. Anyone who has seen me hit a lat spread knows I bring my elbows WAY further forward when in the pose...I'm either going into the pose, or coming out of it...
This is why we actually have to SHOW UP and compete....LIVE. Shit, If I knew we would go by pictures...I could've saved myself a whole bunch of money and just sent in MY best shots, they could've picked a winner from those......
Watch the video..says it all.
how do you explain how he absolutely destroys you on the side chest then?
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how do you explain how he absolutely destroys you on the side chest then?
He has good detail on the side chest, but Bob's legs are bigger and rounder, Bob wins this pose. Bob also has greater vascularity.
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Bob, as athlete's rep, do you feel judges would be held more accountable if they were required to post their names next to their individual scorecards, so that fans and athletes would be able to hold them accountable?
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Bob, as athlete's rep, do you feel judges would be held more accountable if they were required to post their names next to their individual scorecards, so that fans and athletes would be able to hold them accountable?
B. Upon the promoters approval, request registered IFBB Pro’s receive two free tickets to all IFBB sanctioned shows upon presentation of current IFBB Pro card.
In regards to this proposal, the following items were discussed:
- IFBB Pro’s must contact the promoter and request the tickets at least two weeks
prior to the competition date.
- Must act accordingly
- The tickets will be designated by the promoter.
- IFBB Pro’s may be asked to participate and present trophy during competition.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
C. Recommend the IFBB guarantee’s purses for IFBB sanctioned competitions. Mr. Manion informed group that from this point forward, if a promoter did not pay the purse, he (Mr. Manion) would take on this expense and make all payments.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
D. Recommend all official information related to IFBB competitions be added and updated accordingly on the official site of the IFBB, www.ifbb.com/Pro Division. Mr. Tony Blinn is the webmaster for the site and all information related to competitions will be sent to him in a timely manner so he can post it.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
E. Recommend judges individual scores to be made public after completion of contest.
- An IFBB judge will e-mail or fax scores to Tony Blinn to be posted on website.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
F. Recommend current IFBB scoring format be replaced by NPC system of scoring and/or amended, specifically the posing round.
-Eliminate posing round except for entertainment value.
-All registered male and female bodybuilding athletes must vote. Registered athletes will be contacted by their respective athlete rep. Please send vote responses to respective reps by 15 Dec 05.
-Optional for the promoter to provide prize money or a trophy.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted however, awaiting voting results from registered athletes (Item Open).
G. Recommend a mandatory number of athletes (4 – 6) be provided free airfare/hotel costs by the promoter.
- This item is left to the discretion of each promoter.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was denied.
H. Recommend Olympia qualifying placing to extend to next highest placing athletes in the event of athletes already being qualified in the top three.
- If top three are already qualified for the Olympia, then the fourth place will winner will qualify for the Olympia.
- If the top four have already qualified for the Olympia, no additional qualifications will be permitted.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was accepted.
I. Recommend purse of IFBB sanctioned shows to have a mandatory increase of 10% of total purse, every third year of shows existence (applicable to shows with total purse under 50K). Shows with 50K + purse to increase 5% every third year.
- Promoters will try to increase prize money when possible however, they strongly disagree with being mandated to increase the prize money.
Mr. Manion tabled this item for a vote: Motion was denied.
III. CLOSING COMMENTS:
- In regards to registered IFBB athletes competing and/or providing seminars to other organizations, the following rule from the IFBB Professional Rules (2005 Edition), will be enforced:
14.9 Non-sanctioned Events:
Any IFBB professional athlete, judge or official who participates at a competition or event not approved or sanctioned by the IFBB may be fined, suspended or expelled. Participation shall include, but shall not be limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, lecture or similar presentation, judging, officiating and/or taking part in a non-IFBB sanctioned competition or event in any other way, shape, or form.
- IFBB registered athletes interested in serving as athlete reps for 2006 should contact Mr. Manion by 1 December 2005 at:
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Who were the judges for this show? Their names should be posted for all to see (and remember), if for no other reason than we know who has no credibility next time.
Doom disapproves.
it's always a mystery. they dont want their judges tracked
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Regardless of the outcome of the contest, Bob was going to be skewered by certain people on getbig either way. He's damned if he did and damned if he didn't. If he hadn't won after predicting victory, he'd never hear the end of it.
It's a bit of a stretch to call Chick's victory "tainted" though. That's just more baiting and it's not a legitimate argument. Bob won fair and square. Although like many others, I think it's obvious that Jeffers should've been in the top 5 at the very least. Rusty looked a helluva lot better than most if not all of the guys who placed higher than him, and as others have pointed out, no one was truly in their best condition for the Masters Worlds.
I can't believe that Chick even lowers himself to respond to this nonsense.
All he's doing is making some nobdys feel good.
Ckick..they don't care what you have to day...they just want you to say something...it makes them feel important.
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The bottom line is the IFBB is afraid to associate themselves with boybuilders that do naked modeling in fears of looking bad to the public. If pros were compensated better they wouldn't have to do gay for pay.
Rusty isn't the only one. There's Mark Dugdale, Johnny Jackson and a bunch of others who are on that muscle gallery website intended for gay guys that pictures were posted on here from.
mark dudgale has never done gay for pay id be wilng to bet neithr did jonny jackson if you can find one naked pic of either one of them or a site that states that click here to pay for gay post it
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mark dudgale has never done gay for pay id be wilng to bet neithr did jonny jackson if you can find one naked pic of either one of them or a site that states that click here to pay for gay post it
if you believe that i've got some oceanfront property in Nebraska that i'd like to sell you.
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if you believe that i've got some oceanfront property in Nebraska that i'd like to sell you.
ive got ocean front property i will give you if you can prove he does gay for pay the truth is he doesn't
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I can explain one thing....the ONE picture you people keep posting says nothiing to me other than, I'm not even in the pose yet. Anyone who has seen me hit a lat spread knows I bring my elbows WAY further forward when in the pose...I'm either going into the pose, or coming out of it...
This is why we actually have to SHOW UP and compete....LIVE. Shit, If I knew we would go by pictures...I could've saved myself a whole bunch of money and just sent in MY best shots, they could've picked a winner from those......
Watch the video..says it all.
agreed 100%, it shows you being used as mop by rusty jeffers!
also shows you acting like the typical idiot giving the zumbs up!
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mark dudgale has never done gay for pay id be wilng to bet neithr did jonny jackson if you can find one naked pic of either one of them or a site that states that click here to pay for gay post it
(http://muscleweb.com/johnnie/filmstrip.gif)(http://muscleweb.com/eryk/filmstrip.gif)
(http://muscleweb.com/mike_dragna/filmstrip.gif)(http://muscleweb.com/ray/filmstrip.gif)
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LOL :-X
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mark dudgale has never done gay for pay id be wilng to bet neithr did jonny jackson if you can find one naked pic of either one of them or a site that states that click here to pay for gay post it
gay for pay means prostitution. I don't believe Rusty, Mark or Johnny have done prostitution.
but Rusty has done J/O videos, so has Charles Ray Arde, Gennaro Brigante, Michael Daoud, Kai Greene, Chris Jalali, Charles Mario (the current NABBA Mr Universe). Everything at musclehunks.com is a J/O video.
Now certain guys have later said they regretted doing the J/O video for musclehunks. but such statements seem hollow when you find out the video actually consists of 3-4 scenes (probably filmed over a week or two) each with its own climax.
Mark and Johnny have done "lifestyle videos" but I don't beleive there was any J'ing/O
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From MilosSarcev.com (http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=4876.30 (http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=4876.30)
I busted my ass,
LMAO, in more ways than one...
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I don't really mind chick but I do mind this constant CAPITALISATION to further VERIFY my POINTS all the time.
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(http://muscleweb.com/johnnie/filmstrip.gif)(http://muscleweb.com/eryk/filmstrip.gif)
(http://muscleweb.com/mike_dragna/filmstrip.gif)(http://muscleweb.com/ray/filmstrip.gif)
you should delete your unauthorized stealing of copywritten product asap
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where is dugdale? there may be pics of him in posing trunks but surly non of him in a shower. many of those sites have everyone from jay, troy, and ronnie. th e pics are stolen modified by phtoshop by adding a little towel here, less clothes there. doesn't mean they do gay for pay. yes some bodybuilders do, not dugdale. point made
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oh wow, _____ does gay for pay :o
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There is something funny about the phrase "lifestyle video" ;D
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the pics are stolen modified by phtoshop by adding a little towel here, less clothes there.
no, muscleweb, musclehunks, etc., all all legitimate sites with their own photographers. it's all original content.
doesn't mean they do gay for pay. yes some bodybuilders do, not dugdale. point made
I don't think anyone has accused dugdale of doing prostitution. he has done videos aimed at the gay market
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oh wow, _____ does gay for pay :o
don't know who specifically you mean, but ever think he could be gay for free too?
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no, muscleweb, musclehunks, etc., all all legitimate sites with their own photographers. it's all original content.
I don't think anyone has accused dugdale of doing prostitution. he has done videos aimed at the gay market
i emailed him about this. he was cool enough to get back to me he said that 8 years ago muscle web and gallery wasnt geared toward the gay he also said hes thought about "getting my agent invovled" did feel it fair they amek him out to be soeting he aint
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i emailed him about this. he was cool enough to get back to me he said that 8 years ago muscle web and gallery wasnt geared toward the gay he also said hes thought about "getting my agent invovled" did feel it fair they amek him out to be soeting he aint
They used to market to women, right?
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sure, if that makes you feel better ::)
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dumbbell chiming in again
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sure, if that makes you feel better ::)
Hahahaha.... ;D Maybe they used to market to children as well ;D
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i emailed him about this. he was cool enough to get back to me he said that 8 years ago muscle web and gallery wasnt geared toward the gay
he's either giving you a line, or was very naïve
he also said hes thought about "getting my agent invovled" did feel it fair they amek him out to be soeting he aint
it's his signature on the model release
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he's either giving you a line, or was very naïve
it's his signature on the model release
I've got to say, even though you probably didn't intend for it to be, this was a brutal owning! ;D
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he's either giving you a line, or was very naïve
it's his signature on the model release
i gues he did expect fags like you to populate and become the main consumers of his images on those sites
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Ron wrote:
"You know - once again - I don't think 99% of the people who saw the show live and on the webcast would argue that Bob didn't win this show. He did, fair and square. No conspiracy - no favors from the IFBB - no favors from bodybuilding.com
He won the show, via a weak lineup, but still, he won the show fair and square. And it you cant get that into your heads, then you are just fooling yourselves.
And then he gives $1,000 special fan prize money to Shawn Ray's CHOC. For those of you who don't know what that is, it is Children's Hospital of Orange County. For the kids who really need it. Damn, now that was cool. A professional bodybuilding actually doing something good in the business.
But still, some of you think it is a ploy.
A conspiracy.
Now while I agree on some things, this obviously is not - and it makes some of you look real bad in thinking so.
Now - as for Rusty Jeffers - that is a whole different story - and many, many people agree that he should of been in the top 5, at least compared to some of the top guys there.
But that has nothing to do with Chick.
Milos once complained that there weren't enough comparisons. Since I wasnt at the show, do we have what the comparisons were for round 1 & 2???"
So you think 99% of the people agrred with the placing. Have you noticed that the vast majority of opinions on every bodybuilding discussion board, including your very own prove otherwise. Or are you just in denial and ksiing your boy Bob's ass, because maybe perhaps you have a little thing for him.
Do you really think Bob won the show, fair and square? If that is indeed the case, you're so full of shit that it's coming out of your eyes and rendering you blind, fatboy.
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Ron wrote:
"You know - once again - I don't think 99% of the people who saw the show live and on the webcast would argue that Bob didn't win this show. He did, fair and square. No conspiracy - no favors from the IFBB - no favors from bodybuilding.com
He won the show, via a weak lineup, but still, he won the show fair and square. And it you cant get that into your heads, then you are just fooling yourselves.
And then he gives $1,000 special fan prize money to Shawn Ray's CHOC. For those of you who don't know what that is, it is Children's Hospital of Orange County. For the kids who really need it. Damn, now that was cool. A professional bodybuilding actually doing something good in the business.
But still, some of you think it is a ploy.
A conspiracy.
Now while I agree on some things, this obviously is not - and it makes some of you look real bad in thinking so.
Now - as for Rusty Jeffers - that is a whole different story - and many, many people agree that he should of been in the top 5, at least compared to some of the top guys there.
But that has nothing to do with Chick.
Milos once complained that there weren't enough comparisons. Since I wasnt at the show, do we have what the comparisons were for round 1 & 2???"
So you think 99% of the people agrred with the placing. Have you noticed that the vast majority of opinions on every bodybuilding discussion board, including your very own prove otherwise. Or are you just in denial and ksiing your boy Bob's ass, because maybe perhaps you have a little thing for him.
Do you really think Bob won the show, fair and square? If that is indeed the case, you're so full of shit that it's coming out of your eyes and rendering you blind, fatboy.
you have to admit ron is commical and adds entertainment value to the board with his little popins!
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Ron wrote:
"You know - once again - I don't think 99% of the people who saw the show live and on the webcast would argue that Bob didn't win this show. He did, fair and square. No conspiracy - no favors from the IFBB - no favors from bodybuilding.com
He won the show, via a weak lineup, but still, he won the show fair and square. And it you cant get that into your heads, then you are just fooling yourselves.
And then he gives $1,000 special fan prize money to Shawn Ray's CHOC. For those of you who don't know what that is, it is Children's Hospital of Orange County. For the kids who really need it. Damn, now that was cool. A professional bodybuilding actually doing something good in the business.
But still, some of you think it is a ploy.
A conspiracy.
Now while I agree on some things, this obviously is not - and it makes some of you look real bad in thinking so.
Now - as for Rusty Jeffers - that is a whole different story - and many, many people agree that he should of been in the top 5, at least compared to some of the top guys there.
But that has nothing to do with Chick.
Milos once complained that there weren't enough comparisons. Since I wasnt at the show, do we have what the comparisons were for round 1 & 2???"
So you think 99% of the people agrred with the placing. Have you noticed that the vast majority of opinions on every bodybuilding discussion board, including your very own prove otherwise. Or are you just in denial and ksiing your boy Bob's ass, because maybe perhaps you have a little thing for him.
Do you really think Bob won the show, fair and square? If that is indeed the case, you're so full of shit that it's coming out of your eyes and rendering you blind, fatboy.
Another great post!
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i gues he did expect fags like you to populate and become the main consumers of his images on those sites
Uh oh, your hero's image has been shattered.
What ever will you do?
Do you still believe in Santa Claus? The Toothfairy? The Easter Bunny?
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i gues he did
you probably mean didn't
expect fags like you to populate
your probably mean propagate, however this fag and all the fags I know came from heterosexual parents
and become the main consumers of his images on those sites
Men are very visual, women generally are not. Women consume very little porn, softcore or not.
Here is a hint: the majority of the readers of Playgirl are gay guys.
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Men are very visual, women generally are not. Women consume very little porn, softcore or not.
Here is a hint: the majority of the readers of Playgirl are gay guys.
You know this is the usual reason given for why women are less into porn but I think it probably has more to do with the fact that women just aren't that interested in sex for the most part. They use sex instrumentally as a means to obtain love, companionship, and support for their offspring. Do you agree Tim?
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you probably mean didn't
your probably mean propagate, however this fag and all the fags I know came from heterosexual parents
Men are very visual, women generally are not. Women consume very little porn, softcore or not.
Here is a hint: the majority of the readers of Playgirl are gay guys.
Hahahaha...you owned that illiterate SOB ;D
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You know this is the usual reason given for why women are less into porn but I think it probably has more to do with the fact that women just aren't that interested in sex for the most part. They use sex instrumentally as a means to obtain love, companionship, and support for their offspring. Do you agree Tim?
Not exactly. Women may be less into sex than males because with regards to evolution, there is a better chance of their genes being passed on if they have a limited number of children. It's in the male's best interest to spread their genes as far and wide as possible. Men are wired to be promiscuous, women are wired to be monogamous. Having visual stimulation as the trigger is a great way to have the males always ready to go.
Now, not all men are exactly the same, nor are all women. I'm sure as with most any characteristic, the distribution is a bell curve, and there is some overlap between the genders.
Gay guys seem to be just as visiually oriented as straight guys. And for those who think gay guys are too promiscuous, straight guys would be too if women weren't always saying no.
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Now, not all men are exactly the same, nor are all women.
ya think so einstein? ...like most men like to stick it in a woman and you like to stick it in dudes shitter ??? lmao
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Not exactly. Women may be less into sex than males because with regards to evolution, there is a better chance of their genes being passed on if they have a limited number of children. It's in the male's best interest to spread their genes as far and wide as possible. Men are wired to be promiscuous, women are wired to be monogamous. Having visual stimulation as the trigger is a great way to have the males always ready to go.
Now, not all men are exactly the same, nor are all women. I'm sure as with most any characteristic, the distribution is a bell curve, and there is some overlap between the genders.
Gay guys seem to be just as visiually oriented as straight guys. And for those who think gay guys are too promiscuous, straight guys would be too if women weren't always saying no.
And for those who think gay guys are too promiscuous, straight guys would be too if women weren't always saying no...I suspect that this is the truth. Historically, I think that gay bias was partly out of jealousy.