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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: OneMoreRep on September 25, 2020, 06:35:13 AM
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Used to use this 5+ years ago, but stopped after I found variations in quality.
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Now, I take generous doses of B complex, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Zinc & Vitamin C. But I wouldn't mind a "one-stop-shop" approach where 1 pill can do the trick.
Any you would recommend?
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Ribeye
Filets and sirloin are good vitamins too!
Bench
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Also interested as well. Preferably one where they don’t add a bunch of extra shit in trace amount like saw palmetto and green tea just for labeling purposes.
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WalMart.
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Kale Greens and Electricity!
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My current vitamins:
Vitamin D3
Omega 3
Milk Thistle
Grapeseed extract
NAC ( N-acetylcysteine)
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Used to use this 5+ years ago, but stopped after I found variations in quality.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41tJptOZ6kL._AC_SR160,160_.jpg)
Now, I take generous doses of B complex, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Zinc & Vitamin C. But I wouldn't mind a "one-stop-shop" approach where 1 pill can do the trick.
Any you would recommend?
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I bet you take a generous dosing of vitamin D.....
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none. I used to get stomach aches, pee that glowed in the dark. Waste of money. Unless you're eating bamboo all day, there's no need for this shit.
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The only "multi" I take is a chelated multi-mineral. All my vitamins are separate.
I'm 54 now and ppl tell me I look 40.
Been taking vits and mins for the last 37 years. Pretty cheap insurance.
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Calcium mag zinc d3 at walmart got rid of weird cysts i was getting
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The only vitamin I actually take is the injectable vitamin b complex made by durvet.
I get it at tractor supply. It is for lifestock but I've been using it for years without issue.
1ml every week, or 1ml 2x a week if I need it or am sick.
Bench
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none. I used to get stomach aches, pee that glowed in the dark. Waste of money. Unless you're eating bamboo all day, there's no need for this shit.
Never buy vitamins at Walmart.
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Never buy vitamins at Walmart.
You get the Chinese edition
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Multivitamins are useless unless you have a case of severe malnutrition - and doubtful anyone on here has that. There are a few vitamins that have some worth in unique cases (pregnancy, for example) but by and large just eat a balanced diet.
https://www.sciencealert.com/are-vitamin-pills-good-or-bad-some-you-should-take-folic-acid-zinc
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is-there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins
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I know ON used to be a pretty good quality brand and i took the same Opti-men vitamins for years. The past 3-4 years i've taken Bayer Men's One A Day. Take one with lunch every day unless i'm traveling and forget. If i don't take them for a few weeks i can tell a difference in my hair and nails, not much else. I also each plenty of fruits and veggies every day.
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Multivitamins are useless unless you have a case of severe malnutrition - and doubtful anyone on here has that. There are a few vitamins that have some worth in unique cases (pregnancy, for example) but by and large just eat a balanced diet.
https://www.sciencealert.com/are-vitamin-pills-good-or-bad-some-you-should-take-folic-acid-zinc
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is-there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins
Very few people follow a diet strict enough to benefit from the natural effects from food.
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The only vitamin I actually take is the injectable vitamin b complex made by durvet.
I get it at tractor supply. It is for lifestock but I've been using it for years without issue.
1ml every week, or 1ml 2x a week if I need it or am sick.
Bench
Just like steroids. We are mammals
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The only "multi" I take is a chelated multi-mineral. All my vitamins are separate.
I'm 54 now and ppl tell me I look 40.
Been taking vits and mins for the last 37 years. Pretty cheap insurance.
Does being chelated improve absorption? I was thinking of doing similar to what you’re doing. Which brands do you use and which individual vitamins do you take?
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Multivitamins are useless unless you have a case of severe malnutrition - and doubtful anyone on here has that. There are a few vitamins that have some worth in unique cases (pregnancy, for example) but by and large just eat a balanced diet.
Totally inadequate. The average balanced "diet" is already deficient. Depleted crop soils, industrial pollution, carcinogens, free radicals does a number on the human body. We also have an epidemic in over consumption of processed/fast/junk foods. Calorie dense, nutritionally void.
No one should overdose on vitamins or minerals, but taking enough to ensure optimum levels is wise and pretty cheap insurance.
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Does being chelated improve absorption? I was thinking of doing similar to what you’re doing. Which brands do you use and which individual vitamins do you take?
Of minerals?... absolutely, especially as we age. Just make sure the multi-mins you buy are chelated. Forget about One-a-Day and other brands you find at your local CVS... those are basically ground up rocks.
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Nature Made Multi Complete
Natrol Omega-3 Fish Oil
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Of minerals?... absolutely, especially as we age. Just make sure the multi-mins you buy are chelated. Forget about One-a-Day and other brands you find at your local CVS... those are basically ground up rocks.
Thanks! What individuals vitamins are you taking? I currently take vitamin K2, additional D3 and C
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none. I used to get stomach aches, pee that glowed in the dark. Waste of money. Unless you're eating bamboo all day, there's no need for this shit.
:D
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Very few people follow a diet strict enough to benefit from the natural effects from food.
How strict does it have to be to get fruit/vegetables and the three macronutrients a day, lol.
If you aren't you will be suffering from chronic malnutrition- and vitamins won't help. A vitamin is simply a micronutrient. It can't compensate for a general lack of basic nutrition. Most vitamins in nature are actually part of a larger, balanced organic complex and paired with minerals in a form best metabolized by the body. Take Biotin (Vitamin B7) for example. If you take it in the wrong dose it prevents vitamin B5 from being absorbed- leading to skin issues - the very reason people started taking biotin supplements in the first place!
Stick to foods.
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Picking a multivitamin, the first thing is to feel confident that what's on the label is actually in the product. I usually pick one from the pharmacy. I think a multi by a drug manufacturer is more likely to be legit than a bodybuilding brand where there is zero oversight.
Totally inadequate. The average balanced "diet" is already deficient. Depleted crop soils, industrial pollution, carcinogens, free radicals does a number on the human body. Then you have an epidemic for the over consumption of processed/fast/junk foods. Calorie dense, nutritionally void.
No one should overdose on vitamins or minerals, but taking enough to ensure optimum levels is wise and pretty cheap insurance.
It's pretty complicated when one really looks into those things you mention, beyond the headlines and memes.
Processed doesn't necessarily mean worse. Natural doesn't necessarily mean better than artificial in every case. Everything can cause cancer, including breathing. Dose determines the poison, everything can be poisonous.
Apples contain a natural known cancerogen, as do other veggies and fruits. Not all known crops are worse nutritionally than in the past. And on and on. :)
Do you use antioxidants? If so, which ones and why? :)
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Totally inadequate. The average balanced "diet" is already deficient. Depleted crop soils, industrial pollution, carcinogens, free radicals does a number on the human body. We also have an epidemic in over consumption of processed/fast/junk foods. Calorie dense, nutritionally void.
No one should overdose on vitamins or minerals, but taking enough to ensure optimum levels is wise and pretty cheap insurance.
The free radical theory of cellular damage, for example, has never been proven. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20021368/ The taking of antioxidants separately has been shown to actually increase or have zero effect on free radicals regardless.
As for crop soil depletion - that is a non starter. If a soil is depleted of essential nutrients for plants, the crops will barely grow in the first place. My son owns pasture land and we routinely measure the soil mineral content or else the crop dies early or has stunted growth. These crops are in turn fed to sheep who are ultrasensitive to the mineral concentration in the plants - far more than humans.
As for industrial pollution, let me know which vitamin removes lead, tetrachlorodibenzodioxin or organoflourines from the human body. None, in case you were wondering.
And finally " We also have an epidemic in over consumption of processed/fast/junk foods". No argument there. But the problem they present is a mixture of unsaturated fats with sugar that ultimately creates a high free fatty acid level in the blood stream, shutting off the glucose transport mechanism in the cell. This is one of the underlying causes of diabetes. No vitamin fix there.
The vitamin supplement industry is at least $12 billion a year and is constantly instilling that "insurance policy" fear into people. Sounds a lot like Covid-19 fears, lol
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If someone is interested in delving deeper into micronutrients this might be of interest:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393990/
Nature has provided great delivery mechanisms for certain micros, though uptake of some are hindered by certain food components. This info might be of relevance when supplementing certain micros, might benefit from taking them with certain foods. Certain vitamins with fats, calcium with a casein and/or whey if regular dairy is not in the diet and so on.
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Most food is artificially fortified with vitamins. Even Fruit Loops are packed vitamins and minerals. Almost no one in any western nation has a vitamin deficiency unless they are anorexic.
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The free radical theory of cellular damage, for example, has never been proven. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20021368/ The taking of antioxidants separately has been shown to actually increase or have zero effect on free radicals regardless.
As for crop soil depletion - that is a non starter. If a soil is depleted of essential nutrients for plants, the crops will barely grow in the first place. My son owns pasture land and we routinely measure the soil mineral content or else the crop dies early or has stunted growth. These crops are in turn fed to sheep who are ultrasensitive to the mineral concentration in the plants - far more than humans.
YAs for industrial pollution, let me know which vitamin removes lead, tetrachlorodibenzodioxin or organoflourines from the human body. None, in case you were wondering.
And finally " We also have an epidemic in over consumption of processed/fast/junk foods". No argument there. But the problem they present is a mixture of unsaturated fats with sugar that ultimately creates a high free fatty acid level in the blood stream, shutting off the glucose transport mechanism in the cell. This is one of the underlying causes of diabetes. No vitamin fix there.
The vitamin supplement industry is at least $12 billion a year and is constantly instilling that "insurance policy" fear into people. Sounds a lot like Covid-19 fears, lol
Iodine works
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Iodine works
It's in food. But if you are prescribed it for a thyroid condition, nuclear detonation in the area, or need to disinfect your drinking water, you need to be careful. In higher doses it is toxic.
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D,E, Zinc, magnesium.
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Most food is artificially fortified with vitamins. Even Fruit Loops are packed vitamins and minerals. Almost no one in any western nation has a vitamin deficiency unless they are anorexic.
That's true, kids go into puberty much earlier than in the past, average heights have been increasing, even higher IQ has been connected to better nutrition etc.
"The experts" do say certain vitamin and mineral levels are often suboptimal, such as Vitamin D and magnesium.
Even Fauci said he was using vitamin D and these fellas are usually very anti-supplement :D
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If someone is interested in delving deeper into micronutrients this might be of interest:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393990/
Nature has provided great delivery mechanisms for certain micros, though uptake of some are hindered by certain food components. This info might be of relevance when supplementing certain micros, might benefit from taking them with certain foods. Certain vitamins with fats, calcium with a casein and/or whey if regular dairy is not in the diet and so on.
good article proves sulfur rich meats eat away calcium... Milk is perfect food
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Eating a mostly animal based, whole food, high fat low carb diet, these are all the multivitamins and multiminerals I need:
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Super One from Holland and barrett
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The free radical theory of cellular damage, for example, has never been proven. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20021368/ The taking of antioxidants separately has been shown to actually increase or have zero effect on free radicals regardless.
As for crop soil depletion - that is a non starter. If a soil is depleted of essential nutrients for plants, the crops will barely grow in the first place. My son owns pasture land and we routinely measure the soil mineral content or else the crop dies early or has stunted growth. These crops are in turn fed to sheep who are ultrasensitive to the mineral concentration in the plants - far more than humans.
As for industrial pollution, let me know which vitamin removes lead, tetrachlorodibenzodioxin or organoflourines from the human body. None, in case you were wondering.
And finally " We also have an epidemic in over consumption of processed/fast/junk foods". No argument there. But the problem they present is a mixture of unsaturated fats with sugar that ultimately creates a high free fatty acid level in the blood stream, shutting off the glucose transport mechanism in the cell. This is one of the underlying causes of diabetes. No vitamin fix there.
The vitamin supplement industry is at least $12 billion a year and is constantly instilling that "insurance policy" fear into people. Sounds a lot like Covid-19 fears, lol
Vitamin and mineral deficiencies cause disease. There is NO doubt about that.
Your contrary post semantics can/will never change my mind.
Make sure you keep taking your big pharma meds to solve your health problems... a $1 TRILLION dollar a year industry.
The vitamin industry creates the same amount of fear that Covid hoax does? - LOL! Don't forget to get in line for your vaccine.
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But wait a minute guys, I'm literally looking for some good suggestions in terms of brands that you actually use.
A member whose name will go undisclosed (as per his request) just send me a private message stating:
"hey OMR dont worry about multivitamins. Stick to vit D, Zinc, Mag, vit C and something none of these guys know about get the IP-6 and Inositol. that stuff keeps you really healthy and slows down aging"
What does this mean?
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Animal Pak
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Animal Pak
Those things were like swallowing horse pills! Loved Universal supps back in the day. Shark cartilage of peace!
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But wait a minute guys, I'm literally looking for some good suggestions in terms of brands that you actually use.
A member whose name will go undisclosed (as per his request) just send me a private message stating:
"hey OMR dont worry about multivitamins. Stick to vit D, Zinc, Mag, vit C and something none of these guys know about get the IP-6 and Inositol. that stuff keeps you really healthy and slows down aging"
What does this mean?
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Well you don't know what you "need" unless you do some testing and tests on some of these aren't always reliable from what I remember. Megadosing one thing might cause deficiences in others, like with Zink/Copper etc.
If money was no object I might do a well regarded multi blend like Life Extension Mix. Perhaps at a lower than recommended dose.
https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item02354/life-extension-mix-capsules
The other things like IP-6 or Inositol, well, there are tons of nutrients and compounds that might be beneficial in certain situations. To say any one is essential or above the rest is silly.
I have played with a ton of products that might have beneficial effects. Or may be useless, how would you measure it? Lately I have used Astaxanthin, Melatonin, Emoxypine, NAC as antioxidants for various theoretical reasons. I have tried the Inositol mentioned for anxiety reduction but didn't notice much.
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But wait a minute guys, I'm literally looking for some good suggestions in terms of brands that you actually use.
A member whose name will go undisclosed (as per his request) just send me a private message stating:
"hey OMR dont worry about multivitamins. Stick to vit D, Zinc, Mag, vit C and something none of these guys know about get the IP-6 and Inositol. that stuff keeps you really healthy and slows down aging"
What does this mean?
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It means he's full of sh+t. I use the one from WalMart that I posted. So go for it. If you want to understand aging read about "telomeres".
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well regarded multi blend like Life Extension Mix. Perhaps at a lower than recommended dose.
https://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item02354/life-extension-mix-capsules
I am going to give these a try. The breakdown looks pretty impressive and price is reasonable. Shit, I know guys here that spend thousands of dollars on growth hormone every month.
The other things like IP-6 or Inositol, well, there are tons of nutrients and compounds that might be beneficial in certain situations. To say any one is essential or above the rest is silly.
Yea. I am not familiar with that stuff, so not quite sure I am ready to dabble with it (ie ingest it).
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Used to use this 5+ years ago, but stopped after I found variations in quality.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41tJptOZ6kL._AC_SR160,160_.jpg)
Now, I take generous doses of B complex, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Zinc & Vitamin C. But I wouldn't mind a "one-stop-shop" approach where 1 pill can do the trick.
Any you would recommend?
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Stick to what you're doing. Buy some pill boxes or something and divide up your pills for the month ahead.
Don't worry too much about it though , especially when someone claims they know about some wonder drug. Vitamin and mineral supps wouldn't even be in the top 10 of things you should try to do to stay healthy.
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OMR do you take any essential fatty acids (omega 3, 6 ,9 ) ?
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I've been using Controlled Labs Orange Triad for a while.
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If you must take a multivitamin, Costco's Kirkland Signature seems to be best in quality and value compared to other brands:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/multivitamins/index.htm
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OMR do you take any essential fatty acids (omega 3, 6 ,9 ) ?
Yes sir. I take omega 3 & 6.
Studies show good correlation between taking them in increased reduction in heart disease and strokes.
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Any you would recommend?
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NONE, it's all BS !.
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YES !.
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OMR do you take any essential fatty acids (omega 3, 6 ,9 ) ?
That's for soy latte drinkers. GetBiggers eat fish,crocks,coconuts,eggs,........................+ 'juice' 8)
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Multi-vitamin/mineral, I just buy one of the bigger pharmacy house brands. Most source from the same people, and I trust that they aren't going to be off by too much. I also add in extra Vit C, D, Zinc, Mag, and fish oil.
Super Nutrition Opti-Pack was the brand Duchaine and a bunch of others were recommending if you really wanted to go high end. I don't think it was a paid endorsement. They were pretty expensive back in the day. NOW supplements bought the brand a year ago, and dropped the price some, but they're still getting good reviews.
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The only "multi" I take is a chelated multi-mineral. All my vitamins are separate.
I'm 54 now and ppl tell me I look 40.
Been taking vits and mins for the last 37 years. Pretty cheap insurance.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/XcEAAOSwdb5eGCGC/s-l400.jpg)
How’s this one look? Any specific brand you recommend? What extra vitamins are you taking?
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Well, I fell for the 3 bazillion desicated liver tabs a day thing decades ago. Any vitamin that is "natural" is to be found in the food we eat. Those that we buy in pill or even liquid form are no longer natural but probably still useful to our bodies. B12 shots are supposed to be good. This topic is beyond my understanding but my oldest brother is somewhat of a student of this sort of stuff. I will ask him his thoughts.
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Orange Triad
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(https://www.vitacost.com/Images/Products/500/Beverly-International/Beverly-International-Super-Pak-857254000054.jpg)
I've read many comments about Beverly where fans say their proteins are freaking magic, way above the rest :D
Do you agree? Why are they so good?
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B12 shots are supposed to be good.
B vitamin shots are popular among some, they think they help everything. Perhaps it's because they are injections and people feel that makes them extra "powerful", I don't know :D
I myself took a few B12 shots recently a friend found in his gearbox. I remember some sleep specialist recommending a strong B-complex along with D3 to improve sleep. I think a B-50 tab helped improve sleep some :D
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B vitamin shots are popular among some, they think they help everything. Perhaps it's because they are injections and people feel that makes them extra "powerful", I don't know :D
I myself took a few B12 shots recently a friend found in his gearbox. I remember some sleep specialist recommending a strong B-complex along with D3 to improve sleep. I think a B-50 tab helped improve sleep some :D
In the US, I think B12 has a mythical status somewhat because of its association with the NFL (and with big sports in general). In the NFL it was usually given with a course of pain killers or amphetamines to keep the players in the game. Toradol and B12 was a recent popular combination that caused them a bit of grief.
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If you must take a multivitamin, Costco's Kirkland Signature seems to be best in quality and value compared to other brands:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/multivitamins/index.htm
Quality post about quality product by a quality poster with a great Avatar. Thx Loco. (Los of quality here). ;)
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Blond Bomber Approved!
https://www.davedraper.com/super-spectrim-vitamins.html
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In the US, I think B12 has a mythical status somewhat because of its association with the NFL (and with big sports in general). In the NFL it was usually given with a course of pain killers or amphetamines to keep the players in the game. Toradol and B12 was a recent popular combination that caused them a bit of grief.
I just checked and I'd guess neither are banned or can be banned. I know some drug testing bodies have rules against any injections of any kind, but how would you enforce a B12 injection ban anyway?
Athletes depend a lot on NSAIDs, despite the data saying they may retard training adaptations and may even do damage to kidneys, the CV system or whatever. :D
I read about dome type of vet speed with b-vitamins that is popular with South American athletes. The athletes are so stupid they can't even read a label, thinking they are only doing b-vitamins. Yeah I want that type of b-vitamin that really speeds you up :D
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Other supplements I sometimes use and have found to be effective:
Curcumin
Alpha Lipoic Acid
L-Carnitine
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Other supplements I sometimes use and have found to be effective:
Curcumin
Alpha Lipoic Acid
L-Carnitine
Effective for what?
Acetyl-l-carnitine has a noticeable neural effect, may quickly reduce depression, is a bit of a stimulant in feel. Many notice it makes them very aggressive, so much so that many report they can't use it. I don't think it's placebo. Can be good pre-workout due to the aggression :D
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5795963/
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Effective for what?
Acetyl-l-carnitine has a noticeable neural effect, may quickly reduce depression, is a bit of a stimulant in feel. Many notice it makes them very aggressive, so much so that many report they can't use it. I don't think it's placebo. Can be good pre-workout due to the aggression :D
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5795963/
Curcumin I have found effective as an anti-inflammatory.
Alpha Lipoic Acid to reduce blood sugar.
L-carnitine for increased energy and fat loss. Will read the link you provided now as well.
I mentioned NAC earlier and seems to help with sinus and also reduce dry eye.
Omega 3 also may apparently help eye health and is good for joints and helps reduce inflammation.
Grapeseed extract I use as an anti-oxidant, also may help with inflammation.
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Centrum Silver for men 50+
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I can't take Centrum. Gives me stabbing gut pains.
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I can't take Centrum. Gives me stabbing gut pains.
Have you tried Centrum Soggy?
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Have you tried Centrum Soggy?
Forget gut pains, that one might give you stabbing butt pains.
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Forget gut pains, that one might give you stabbing butt pains.
:-[
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Forget gut pains, that one might give you stabbing butt pains.
LOL!!!
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Forget gut pains, that one might give you stabbing butt pains.
Available exclusively as a suppository.
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Animal Pak
;D. ;D
X2
https://www.animalpak.com/animal-pak?gclid=Cj0KCQjwzbv7BRDIARIsAM-A6-0vRmQF5HBbxLKt5ApH3tl-ujPMDqtUwOVVrJ54onb-aKZbyES81QsaAny-EALw_wcB
(https://www.animalpak.com/animal-pak?gclid=Cj0KCQjwzbv7BRDIARIsAM-A6-0vRmQF5HBbxLKt5ApH3tl-ujPMDqtUwOVVrJ54onb-aKZbyES81QsaAny-EALw_wcB)
;D. ;D
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Animal Pak
Doesn't state how much vitamin k2 it contains and uses magnesium oxide which isn't a great source of magnesium, but this is better than most multis.
Centrum Silver for men 50+
Overpriced trash
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Skimmed through most of the suggestions. Most of those multis are using poor quality ingredients and are poorly dosed.
This was the best Super Nutrition Opti-Pack (would still add more d3 personally)
Animal pak would be the next best, but contains a lot of "fluff". Not sure I'd wanna use it.
This was good, Life Extension Mix but lacked k2 (higher dose of d3 would be better) but also a lot of fluff.
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Curcumin I have found effective as an anti-inflammatory.
Alpha Lipoic Acid to reduce blood sugar.
L-carnitine for increased energy and fat loss. Will read the link you provided now as well.
I mentioned NAC earlier and seems to help with sinus and also reduce dry eye.
Omega 3 also may apparently help eye health and is good for joints and helps reduce inflammation.
Grapeseed extract I use as an anti-oxidant, also may help with inflammation.
I mentioned NAC as well. I have missed the dry eye connection.
It has some pretty interesting data on it wrt neurology, how it can help with mental problems. It can help anxiety, skin picking, nail biting, OCD, irritability in autism, addiction to nicotine, weed, cocaine :D
As far as blood sugar and insulin sensitivity goes, berberine is supposed to be as good as metformin basically. I have access to metformin so I haven't tried the berberine :D
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I can't take Centrum. Gives me stabbing gut pains.
Take it with food?
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Vitamin supplements are a waste of money so take the cheapest and waste less money.
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Take it with food?
I did but got the same results. I think it is the coating of the pill because when I took a #2 there was an oily substance and part of the coating in the water.
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I did but got the same results. I think it is the coating of the pill because when I took a #2 there was an oily substance and part of the coating in the water.
Was it with or without iron? I've heard that iron can be brutal. Males shouldn't take iron anyway, unless you know you are deficient.
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Was it with or without iron? I've heard that iron can be brutal. Males shouldn't take iron anyway, unless you know you are deficient.
I think it was without iron as I always look for that. I've never had any problem with NOW brand multivitamins.
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Have you tried Centrum Soggy?
I already answered that question. You must be losing it.
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Take it with food?
Centrum has several different formulas. I might depend on which version one takes. Personally, I've never had a problem with it. Although, I do take it in the morning with water prior to eating breakfast.
Centrum should be taken on an empty stomach 1 hour before or 2 hours after meals. Take with at least 8 oz of water unless your doctor directs you otherwise. If stomach upset occurs, you may take this medication with food.
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I don't need supplements I eat animals every meal like a normal person.
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I don't need supplements I eat animals every meal like a normal person.
That'll do it.
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I don't need supplements I eat animals every meal like a normal person.
Hopefully, you also eat vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains. If not, you definitely need supplements.
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Very few people follow a diet strict enough to benefit from the natural effects from food.
Everyone should strive to eat as close to an evolutionary diet as possible. Not only is this far more intelligent than consuming a load of chinese powders (that don't even do anything according to lab tests) it's also cheaper. Notice "evolutionary" not "balanced". "Balanced" diets according to arbitrary pseudo-science create nutrient deficiencies because people over-consume modern plant foods that are potent nutrient-blockers. Go into your local forest and look how much edible foliage you can find in an hour's walk, that's how much vegetation you should be eating.
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Hey maybe instead of taking that zinc supp you should maybe stop stuffing your face with grains, nuts, beans, coffee and potato-derived crap.
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What ancient society had a balanced diet anyway? People used to just eat locally grown and raised foods only until modern times.
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Hopefully, you also eat vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains. If not, you definitely need supplements.
See my last post. I eat small amounts of fruit only for taste, it offers nothing in terms of nutrition. Even the vitamin C is useless in the presence of such concentrated fructose. If you are consuming a lot of those foods then you are causing severe deficiencies. If those foods were the nutrient powerhouses you have deluded yourself into thinking they are then there wouldn't be a health crisis among vegans.
On an anthropological level I hope you realise that it makes no sense to argue that our nutritional needs are dependent on foods that have only existed in our diet for a miniscule length of time.
But given your world views in general especially in relation to your age I fear that logic is lost on you.
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What ancient society had a balanced diet anyway? People used to just eat locally grown and raised foods only until modern times.
People also didn't live very long in ancient times. Maybe, their deficient diet had something to do with that.
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Everyone should strive to eat as close to an evolutionary diet as possible. Not only is this far more intelligent than consuming a load of chinese powders (that don't even do anything according to lab tests) it's also cheaper. Notice "evolutionary" not "balanced". "Balanced" diets according to arbitrary pseudo-science create nutrient deficiencies because people over-consume modern plant foods that are potent nutrient-blockers. Go into your local forest and look how much edible foliage you can find in an hour's walk, that's how much vegetation you should be eating.
Hey maybe instead of taking that zinc supp you should maybe stop stuffing your face with grains, nuts, beans, coffee and potato-derived crap.
The evolutionary diet argument doesn't hold water because for the majority of human existence we did not live past 40, and it can take years if not decades to become nutrient deficient. Most humans would be long dead before they got the chance to become nutrient deficient.
Also post 40 we become less efficient at absorbing vitamin and minerals regardless of the source. The older we get the worse it gets. People can also lose their appetites or can no longer stomach certain foods. Medications or other conditions may cause absorption issues. Vitamins for many can help in such cases.
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The evolutionary diet argument doesn't hold water because for the majority of human existence we did not live past 40, and it can take years if not decades to become nutrient deficient. Most humans would be long dead before they got the chance to become nutrient deficient.
Also post 40 we become less efficient at absorbing vitamin and minerals regardless of the source. The older we get the worse it gets. People can also lose their appetites or can no longer stomach certain foods. Medications or other conditions may cause absorption issues. Vitamins for many can help in such cases.
I make up for what age may have taken away by taking an abundance of supplements. Additionally, I eat a well balanced diet. -Seems to be working.
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People also didn't live very long in ancient times. Maybe, their deficient diet had something to do with that.
Actually, if they lived into adulthood, they did. Childhood diseases brought down the life expectancy. Do your genealogy and you will see relatives from the 1600 and 1700's who lived to be 90.
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Thousands of years ago Abraham lived to 800+.
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Thousands of years ago Abraham lived to 800+.
Those guys in the Bible lived forever. Wonder why no one except them has done so.
Some apologists explain these extreme ages as ancient mistranslations that converted the word "month" to "year", mistaking lunar cycles for solar ones: this would turn an age of 969 years into a more reasonable 969 lunar months, or about 78.3 solar years (which is still a long life).
In one view, man was originally to have everlasting life, but as sin was introduced into the world by Adam, its influence became greater with each generation and God progressively shortened man's life. If this theory were correct, why is it that we humans live longer today than we did 100 years ago. Hypothetically, by now we'd all be dying shortly after being born.
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Hopefully, you also eat vegetables, fruits, nuts and grains. If not, you definitely need supplements.
That's a myth, and the opposite is actually true.
Meat has no carbs. Carbs are converted to glucose. Glucose competes with vitamin C for absorption. The more carbs you eat, the more glucose in your blood, the less vitamin C you'll absorb.
Spinach has compounds that inhibit iron absorption.
Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, turnips, and bok choy contain compounds that inhibit absorption of iodine by the thyroid.
Collard greens, sweet potatoes, rhubarb, beans, coffee, tea, fiber-containing whole-grain products and wheat bran, seeds, nuts, and soy isolates have compounds that inhibit calcium absorption.
These are just a few of many examples.
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Thousands of years ago Abraham lived to 800+.
He's still alive and posts on Getbig.
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He's still alive and posts on Getbig.
So that's how you get 50,000+ posts.
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So that's how you get 50,000+ posts.
Yep, if Getbig were available since biblical times he'd really have a lot of posts.
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I use Nature Made. Contrary to popular belief supplements are not regulated. No one is checking what's inside or the potency claims. An example of this is the many claims by Whey isolate powders companies that claim their proteins are lactose free. They are lying or clueless. The best protein in terms of taste and has 30 grams of first class protein in a little bottle is Fair Life. No lactose at all. They started as a lactose free milk company but I digress. Nauture made vitamins voluntarily give their vitamins to USP for independent lab tests of potency. What's on the label is actually what you are getting.
I don't know if it's doing me any good but it's a cheap way to have an insurance policy. I get nearly a years supply for about $19 bucks or so. Besides it makes my piss a nice orange color. Every time I gave a urine sample the nurse would look at the container and inform me I was very dehydrated. Nope, it's the vitamins.
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I use Nature Made. Contrary to popular belief supplements are not regulated. No one is checking what's inside or the potency claims. An example of this is the many claims by Whey isolate powders companies that claim their proteins are lactose free. They are lying or clueless. The best protein in terms of taste and has 30 grams of first class protein in a little bottle is Fair Life. No lactose at all. They started as a lactose free milk company but I digress. Nauture made vitamins voluntarily give their vitamins to USP for independent lab tests of potency. What's on the label is actually what you are getting.
I don't know if it's doing me any good but it's a cheap way to have an insurance policy. I get nearly a years supply for about $19 bucks or so. Besides it makes my piss a nice orange color. Every time I gave a urine sample the nurse would look at the container and inform me I was very dehydrated. Nope, it's the vitamins.
I like Nature Made as well.
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That's true, kids go into puberty much earlier than in the past, average heights have been increasing, even higher IQ has been connected to better nutrition etc.
"The experts" do say certain vitamin and mineral levels are often suboptimal, such as Vitamin D and magnesium.
Even Fauci said he was using vitamin D and these fellas are usually very anti-supplement :D
I would think the cause of kids hitting puberty earlier would be the chemicals regulated/ unregulated Exposer rather than vitamins
No?
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That's a myth, and the opposite is actually true.
Meat has no carbs. Carbs are converted to glucose. Glucose competes with vitamin C for absorption. The more carbs you eat, the more glucose in your blood, the less vitamin C you'll absorb.
Spinach has compounds that inhibit iron absorption.
Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, turnips, and bok choy contain compounds that inhibit absorption of iodine by the thyroid.
Collard greens, sweet potatoes, rhubarb, beans, coffee, tea, fiber-containing whole-grain products and wheat bran, seeds, nuts, and soy isolates have compounds that inhibit calcium absorption.
These are just a few of many examples.
I've been reading up on this for a bit. Definitely interesting for sure.
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I would think the cause of kids hitting puberty earlier would be the chemicals regulated/ unregulated Exposer rather than vitamins
No?
Most likely no, from what I gather. The reaserch seems to point to excessive energy intake as the reason.
Lots of people believe all manner of peudoscientific "articles" on the net. Like for example how milk contains dangerous amounts of growth hormones. Several problems with these theories. Some say dairy is inherently dangerous because it promotes higher IGF-1 which leads to cancer.
What I would like to know is what causes this purported drop in average testosterone levels in adult males. Is the data reliable? If so, what is the likely cause? Anyone here have solid insight on this, apart from automatic assumptions of xenoestrogens from bottled water or whatever?
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What I would like to know is what causes this purported drop in average testosterone levels in adult males. Is the data reliable? If so, what is the likely cause? Anyone here have solid insight on this, apart from automatic assumptions of xenoestrogens from bottled water or whatever?
According to a recent Getbig study: Lack of sexual activity and/or obesity.
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According to a recent Getbig study: Lack of sexual activity and/or obesity.
I recall something about being married destroying one's sex drive but only in women. ;) ;D
I'll be in Hell for that one, I know! ;D
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According to a recent Getbig study: Lack of sexual activity and/or obesity.
Too much porn and jerking off? The testicles burn out. :D
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Too much porn and jerking off? The testicles burn out. :D
It could be. Decades ago men got married usually in their 20's. After a kid or two sex drops off a cliff with the wife. Whacking off isn't easy to do with wife and kids around so most men probably went weeks or more without busting a nut. Now with all the single men and free porn online most men probably ejaculate 10X more than men in the past.
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Most likely no, from what I gather. The reaserch seems to point to excessive energy intake as the reason.
Lots of people believe all manner of peudoscientific "articles" on the net. Like for example how milk contains dangerous amounts of growth hormones. Several problems with these theories. Some say dairy is inherently dangerous because it promotes higher IGF-1 which leads to cancer.
What I would like to know is what causes this purported drop in average testosterone levels in adult males. Is the data reliable? If so, what is the likely cause? Anyone here have solid insight on this, apart from automatic assumptions of xenoestrogens from bottled water or whatever?
Haven't heard the bottled water theory, unless you meant tap water or the plastic from the bottles??
Men being fatter is the one I lean towards, but eating from food warmed up in plastic tupperware in the microwave is another interesting theory.
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Haven't heard the bottled water theory, unless you meant tap water or the plastic from the bottles??
Men being fatter is the one I lean towards, but eating from food warmed up in plastic tupperware in the microwave is another interesting theory.
There is supposedly hormone disruptors or xenoestrogens leaching into bottled water. Then you have the theory of estrogens from birth control pills which women piss out getting into drinking water. I haven't looked closely at these.
What I wonder about is the testosterone measurements taken many decades ago, if they are reliable, what kind population sample was tested and if it was representative of the population as a whole?
But then I also think about the case of poor African American ghetto males, many of whom people think are real jacked. African Americans supposedly also have higher test levels that whites. But they eat pure "artificial fast food crap" so...?
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That's a myth, and the opposite is actually true.
Meat has no carbs. Carbs are converted to glucose. Glucose competes with vitamin C for absorption. The more carbs you eat, the more glucose in your blood, the less vitamin C you'll absorb.
Spinach has compounds that inhibit iron absorption.
Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, turnips, and bok choy contain compounds that inhibit absorption of iodine by the thyroid.
Collard greens, sweet potatoes, rhubarb, beans, coffee, tea, fiber-containing whole-grain products and wheat bran, seeds, nuts, and soy isolates have compounds that inhibit calcium absorption.
These are just a few of many examples.
This is very interesting.
If we animal protein is all we need, why has man been eating all those vegetables for so many years?
Supposedly all these fellows are vegans...a step further from being a vegetarian. They look very healthy. Why is that?
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kwm022arMWo/maxresdefault.jpg)
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This is very interesting.
If we animal protein is all we need, why has man been eating all those vegetables for so many years?
Supposedly all these fellows are vegans...a step further from being a vegetarian. They look very healthy. Why is that?
(https://vegnews.com/media/W1siZiIsIjEwMjAxL1ZlZ05ld3NQbGFudEJ1aWx0RG9jTGlzdC5wbmciXSxbInAiLCJ0aHVtYiIsIjgwMHg0NzMjIix7ImZvcm1hdCI6ImpwZyJ9XSxbInAiLCJvcHRpbWl6ZSJdXQ/VegNewsPlantBuiltDocList.png?width=800&height=473&optimize=true&format=jpg&sha=42dfb6fa0eefc8db)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kwm022arMWo/maxresdefault.jpg)
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A couple pictures and terrible logic doesn’t prove anything. The average vegan looks like a skinny, fat sack of shit. This just in, PEDs work.
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There is supposedly hormone disruptors or xenoestrogens leaching into bottled water. Then you have the theory of estrogens from birth control pills which women piss out getting into drinking water. I haven't looked closely at these.
What I wonder about is the testosterone measurements taken many decades ago, if they are reliable, what kind population sample was tested and if it was representative of the population as a whole?
But then I also think about the case of poor African American ghetto males, many of whom people think are real jacked. African Americans supposedly also have higher test levels that whites. But they eat pure "artificial fast food crap" so...?
https://phys.org/news/2009-10-modern-men-wimps.html
Other examples in the book are rowers of the massive trireme warships in ancient Athens who far exceeded the capabilities of modern rowers, Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight, and Australian Aborigines who could throw a spear over 10 meters further than the current javelin world record.
McAllister attributes the decline to the more sedentary lifestyle humans have lived since the industrial revolution, which has made modern people less robust than before since machines do so much of the work. The fact that we are constantly improving and breaking athletic records is because they are only in comparison to the performances in recent decades. If you compare today's athleticism with that of humans much further back we see a real decline.
I have also read that the excavated bones of ancient Greek men revealed that they would have had more muscle mass on average than men today despite their poorer diet.
Also, without medication, only the strongest would reproduce and pass on their genes. In the Roman world if a man survived to 30 there was a good chance he could live to his 70's.
Without vehicles and machines and having to do everything physically these people would have been extremely tough and strong compared to modern people. And if we consider epigenitics, genes which are altered due our lifestyle, the changes due to these epigenetics can still be passed to their offspring. And then add in that mostly the strongest were usually able to pass on their genes as well.
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This is very interesting.
If we animal protein is all we need, why has man been eating all those vegetables for so many years?
Supposedly all these fellows are vegans...a step further from being a vegetarian. They look very healthy. Why is that?
Not just animal protein, but lots of animal fat too. Your logic is flawed. Humans can survive on plants, which is a huge advantage for survival purposes when animal based food isn't available. It doesn't mean living on plant food alone is ideal or healthy for humans.
BTW, veganism in the west was started by Seventh Day Adventists, to lower libido in order to prevent sexual promiscuity.
Furthermore:
“The current scientific evidence is too low to conclude that vegan diets are generally healthy diets, in particular concerning their long-term impact on the risk of several diseases and all-cause mortality. These diets can therefore not be recommended, in a disease prevention optic.”
2018 Vegan diets: review of nutritional benefits and risks Expert report of the Federal Commission for Nutrition FCN
https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/en/home/das-blv/organisation/kommissionen/eek/vor-und-nachteile-vegane-ernaehrung.html
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https://phys.org/news/2009-10-modern-men-wimps.html
Other examples in the book are rowers of the massive trireme warships in ancient Athens who far exceeded the capabilities of modern rowers, Roman soldiers who completed the equivalent of one and a half marathons a day, carrying equipment weighing half their body weight, and Australian Aborigines who could throw a spear over 10 meters further than the current javelin world record.
I wouldn't necessarily take those tales as facts. Do you believe them? When did the Aus Aborigine decline begin? When the explorers arrived or earlier? There should've been some real superhumans there when the Dutch and English arrived, and before the physical corruption due to modernity. But I haven't studied it so...
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I wouldn't necessarily take those tales as facts. Do you believe them? When did the Aus Aborigine decline begin? When the explorers arrived or earlier? There should've been some real superhumans there when the Dutch and English arrived, and before the physical corruption due to modernity. But I haven't studied it so...
I don't necessarily believe those stories but I do believe that men would have been on average stronger and with naturally more muscle mass than today. Most people would have had to live far more demanding and physical lives and those genes would be passed on.
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BTW, veganism in the west was started by Seventh Day Adventists, to lower libido in order to prevent sexual promiscuity.
Vegetarianism is first mentioned by the Greek philosopher and mathematician Pythagoras of Samos around 500 BCE.
https://time.com/3958070/history-of-veganism/#:~:text=Veganism%20is%20an%20extreme%20form,of%20Samos%20around%20500%20BCE.
About 30% of Seventh Day Adventists are vegeterians. Did you get your information about veganism and Seventh Day Adventists from this article "Seventh Day Adventist Vegetarianism: The Shocking Origins of the Vegan Diet" by Carnivore Aurelius?
https://carnivoreaurelius.com/seventh-day-adventist-vegetarianism/
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Vegetarianism is first mentioned by the Greek philosopher and mathematician Pythagoras of Samos around 500 BCE.
https://time.com/3958070/history-of-veganism/#:~:text=Veganism%20is%20an%20extreme%20form,of%20Samos%20around%20500%20BCE.
About 30% of Seventh Day Adventists are vegeterians. Did you get your information about veganism and Seventh Day Adventists from this article "Seventh Day Adventist Vegetarianism: The Shocking Origins of the Vegan Diet" by Carnivore Aurelius?
https://carnivoreaurelius.com/seventh-day-adventist-vegetarianism/
Vegetarianism and veganism are two different things.
Many Seventh Day Adventists eat meat too. So what?
I've known the link between veganism in the west and Seventh Day Adventists for a long time, but that article by Carnivore Aurelius you linked is a good one.
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All the SDA i know will not eat pork. I've never met one that was Vegan. There is a huge SDA base in Houston where i lived for 38 years.
Just like every other religion, they get to pick and choose what parts they deem important.
I've met quite a few of them that would actually shame people for eating pork.
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Vegetarianism and veganism are two different things.
Many Seventh Day Adventists eat meat too. So what?
I've known the link between veganism in the west and Seventh Day Adventists for a long time, but that article by Carnivore Aurelius you linked is a good one.
Thanks for the information. Actually, I know the difference between vegetarianism and veganism. Not sure how you thought my post confused the two.
Veganism is a type of vegetarian diet that excludes meat, eggs, dairy products, and all other animal-derived ingredients. Many vegans also do not eat foods that are processed using animal products, such as refined white sugar and some wines.
What are the 4 types of vegetarians?
Starting from the most restrictive and working our way down, the types of vegetarian are as follows:
Vegan.
Lacto Vegetarian.
Ovo Vegetarian.
Lacto-ovo vegetarian.
Pescatarian (Pescetarian)
Pollotarian.
Flexitarian.
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Thanks for the information. Actually, I know the difference between vegetarianism and veganism. Not sure how you thought my post confused the two.
Veganism is a type of vegetarian diet that excludes meat, eggs, dairy products, and all other animal-derived ingredients. Many vegans also do not eat foods that are processed using animal products, such as refined white sugar and some wines.
What are the 4 types of vegetarians?
Starting from the most restrictive and working our way down, the types of vegetarian are as follows:
Vegan.
Lacto Vegetarian.
Ovo Vegetarian.
Lacto-ovo vegetarian.
Pescatarian (Pescetarian)
Pollotarian.
Flexitarian.
You brought up vegetarianism twice in your response to my post regarding veganism in the west.
It's very simple. Vegetarians eat some animal products. Vegans do not.
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I only use Life Extension vitamins, their multi is a two-per day. www.lef.org you won't find a better quality vitamin company.
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I only use Life Extension vitamins, their multi is a two-per day. www.lef.org you won't find a better quality vitamin company.
The more I look at their products, the more I like them. Prices are fair too for what you're getting.